[UPDATE 7:23 p.m.: Two Confirmed Fatalities] Details Emerging From Agencies on Kneeland Airport’s Fatal Plane Crash This Morning
![A large number of emergency vehicles present at Kneeland airport after a blue and white Cessna reportedly crashed. [Photo by Mark McKenna]](https://kymkemp.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/452024401_1533376407585038_4792130772844090498_n-noresize.jpg)
First responders lay hose line from the Kneeland Airport Runway after a plane crash on Tuesday sparked a fire. [Photo by Mark McKenna]
The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) which investigates airplane crashes tweeted this afternoon that they were “investigating the July 23 crash of a Cessna T206H aircraft near Kneeland, California.”
The Aviation Safety Network is reporting that the crashed aircraft is a Cessna T206H Stationair TC owned by DynCorp International Inc. manufactured in 2021 that flew out of Sacramento-McClelland Airfield with tail number N460DC. They stated that the plane crashed while landing and the three occupants did not survive. [Note: there was some confusion because a Learjet previously had the same n number but that aircraft was deregistered.]
FlightRadar shows this path for the N460DC aircraft Leaving from McClellan Airport this morning and arriving at the Kneeland Airport at 6:04 p.m. UTC which is 11:04 a.m. our time. That coincides with the time of the crash.
DynCorp has the contract to maintain much of CAL FIRE’s aircraft, while most of the maintenance is performed at McClellan Park near Sacramento, “during fire season, …maintenance personnel are stationed at helitack bases strategically located throughout California” which would include Kneeland airport.
We have requested information from CAL FIRE and from HCSO but HCSO has not yet responded and Cal Fire’s Battalion Chief Jeremy Ward told us that at this point investigators have been unable to determine the identity of the plane. He asks that for the sake of those involved that people refrain from speculation without more information.
UPDATE 7:23 p.m.: Cal Fire’s Battalion Chief Jeremy Ward has confirmed there were two fatalities.
NOTE: We have removed the photo of a jet with the number N460DC. That plane was deregistered and a Cessna T206H Stationair TC was given the same number.
Earlier: Airplane Crash at Kneeland Airport
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Kym, that pic of the plane you show is not a Cessna T206H Stationair TC, look it up, it looks like this:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n460dc
Scary. That plane had already been up here twice in the last week per your link. Once at looks like Murray field and Fortuna.
Yep, ridden those into the Sierra Madre of Mexico. Fun times. Bullets shot over your head and landing on sub 2,000′ runways with a Viet era trained STOL expert. Still, almost thought the ticket was punched for the last time on virtually every takeoff and landing in cartel country.
Pot and poppies and polio and smallpox depop work.
And as should have been the lead here, my condolences. Must have has some viceral reaction to seeing that blasted company name again. Remember knowing while visiting Poland the outing of the CIA black site there.
Poland? Really? It’s where the Hitlerian progressive racist concentration camps were located. CIA never stopping working the same things.
Nothing really quite like the deep state liberal facists when they pursue imperialism and global hegemony while society collapses about their heads at home.
Quarantine camps anyone? Would the Red Cross dare make visits to check on conditions or would they just settle for recently expired blood?
What the word salad are you trying to say? Hitler was NOT a liberal. Nazis were far right of center.
https://youtu.be/OayBmKTtPAw
This is an interview with George Soros. Wiki says “Soros supports progressive and liberal political causes, to which he dispenses donations through the Open Society Foundation.
In the interview Soros explains why taking from the Jews that were sent to the concentration camps was a good thing.
No look up what NAZI stands for.
National Socilist Workers Party
Look it up dont take my word for it.
History revision have been rewriting history to fit their false narrative. This is one of them ie NAZIs are far right
Note what J.D. Salinger was doing in Poland before the war! Read the Catcher In The Rye like an allegory not a novel. See Breaking The Code To The Catcher In Rye on Goodreads.
you are all over the place. hard to clearly keep up with what you are say and your hops around the world and how it links up to the current plane tragedy.
Yes, I agree. I don’t know why the plane number flying in is both attached to a Cessna and to the jet.
Todd explained…
“That was a Lear 45 that was registered under the same tail number until it was exported to Brazil in 2011.”
https://kymkemp.com/2024/07/23/details-emerging-from-agencies-on-kneeland-airports-fatal-plane-crash-this-morning/#comment-1749572
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I’m assuming after that Learjet was exported to Brazil in 2011, the tail number became available again, and was eventually reissued to the Cessna in 2021…
I did see where the jet you posted the photo of was included in the Flight Radar information…
That IS odd…
Problem solved; the Lear Jet was deregistered by the FAA 7.29.2011 and exported to Brazil. N460DC was reassigned to the T206H that crashed. Its all right here:
https://registry.faa.gov/AircraftInquiry/Search/NNumberResult?nNumberTxt=460DC
The other confusing bit, is where the article states:
“They stated that the plane crashed while landing and the three occupants did not survive.”
Does that mean 2 or 3 people were killed in the plane?
Damn! I missed that. Thank you. The Aviation Safety Network stated that. BUT Battalion Chief Ward, who was on the scene, says that there were only two fatalities.
Thanks again. I love having everyone jump in and explain! And this is why I love the comment section.
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https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/404056
“This information is added by users of ASN. Neither ASN nor the Flight Safety Foundation are responsible for the completeness or correctness of this information. If you feel this information is incomplete or incorrect, you can submit corrected information.”
Date: Tuesday 23 July 2024
Time: c. 11:00 LT
Type: Silhouette image of generic C206 model; specific model in this crash may look slightly different
Cessna T206H Stationair TC
Owner/operator: DynCorp International Inc
Registration: N460DC
MSN: T20609660
Year of manufacture: 2021
Fatalities: Fatalities: 3 / Occupants: 3
Other fatalities: 0
Aircraft damage: Destroyed
Category: Accident
Location: near Kneeland Airport (O19), Kneeland, CA – United States of America
Phase: Approach
Nature: Private
Departure airport: Sacramento-McClellan Airfield, CA (MCC/KMCC)
Destination airport: Kneeland Airport, CA (O19)
Investigating agency: NTSB
Confidence Rating: Information is only available from news, social media or unofficial sources
Narrative:
The Cessna T206H Stationair TC crashed into a wooded hillside while on the approach to Kneeland Airport (O19), California.
The airplane was destroyed. There were no survivors.
Sources:
https://krcrtv.com/news/local/plane-crashes-at-airport-in-rural-humboldt-county
http s://kymkemp.com/2024/07/23/airplane-crash-at-kneeland-airport/
http s://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/N460DC/history/20240723/1714Z/KMCC/O19
http s://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n460dc#364a9210
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First, I would point out the disclaimer at the top…
“This information is added by users of ASN. Neither ASN nor the Flight Safety Foundation are responsible for the completeness or correctness of this information. If you feel this information is incomplete or incorrect, you can submit corrected information.”
Secondly, I would consider the listed fatalities…
“Fatalities: Fatalities: 3 / Occupants: 3”
Third, I would take notice of the list of “SOURCES” at the bottom…
“Sources:”
https://krcrtv.com/news/local/plane-crashes-at-airport-in-rural-humboldt-county
http s://kymkemp.com/2024/07/23/airplane-crash-at-kneeland-airport/
http s://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/N460DC/history/20240723/1714Z/KMCC/O19
http s://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n460dc#364a9210″
Fourth, tap the link to “KRCRTV” where they claim “3 fatalities”…
‘Plane crashes at airport in rural Humboldt County with 3 inside’
(They seem to be the only one making that claim)
(KRCRTV might be the “source” of the possible “3 fatality” error, which is then referenced and then duly listed in the ASN information, subject to correction…)
I would defer to Jeremy Ward, in this case, for accurate information…
I’m going with two fatalities, and only two on board, until further officially confirmed notice…
ASN is a good source of information group sourced information, but, therefore, it’s not what I would consider official…
It’s more like wikipedia.
Oops, too many links, I edited and broke up the links except KRCRTV…
https://kymkemp.com/2024/07/23/airplane-crash-at-kneeland-airport/
Confirmed two fatalities.
That could have also contributed to the group sourced data at ASN…
That’s the way it goes…?♂️
It’s all been sorted out, now…
Right, I know, thanks. The reply is to TRG who attributed the information to KRCR. Your report specifically says the information came over the scanner, previous to any KRCR report…the on-scene scanner information is clearly the source.
“They stated that the plane crashed while landing and the three occupants did not survive.”
-Reference to ASN-
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That is a reference to ASN group sourced, unofficial information, subject to correction, per their caveats.
I did my best to sort it out here…
https://kymkemp.com/2024/07/23/details-emerging-from-agencies-on-kneeland-airports-fatal-plane-crash-this-morning/#comment-1749638
KRCRTV may have group source contributed errant information to ASN, likely wrongly reporting 3 fatalities without confirmation, leading to the discrepancy in their information.
I’m going with the 2 fatalities officially reported by Jeremy Ward of CalFire.
He’s the PIO, and to his credit, the guy is dead serious.
No where else in KRCRTV’s report, besides the unconfirmed “3 inside” headline, does their report confirm 3 fatalities, nor does it even mention them again in the body of the article…
The picture is not the correct aircraft. That was a Lear 45 that was registered under the same tail number until it was exported to Brazil in 2011. The involved aircraft was a relatively new 2021 Cessna T206H which is the current bearer of the N460DC tail number.
I would also note that DynCorp was acquired by Amentum probably around the time they purchased and registered this aircraft. They no longer use the DynCorp name.
Ah, DynCorp. Yes, absorbed by Amentum in 2021 but the DynCorp name very much lives on in both history and ongoing litigation. Beginning in 2001, DynCorp was deeply involved with the CIA and the agency’s considerable efforts to prevent the International Red Cross from accessing detainees under the Geneva Conventions to which the USA is a signatory.
DynCorp had a robust and lucrative business relationship with the CIA frequently transporting detainees between CIA so-called black sites (torture facilities as described and documented by the CIA Inspector General and the 9/11 Commission) in Afghanistan, Morocco, Poland, Romania, and Thailand. The purpose of the detainee transportation was both to prevent access to the detainees by the International Red Cross as well as to prevent detainees from being subject to U.S. jurisdiction. On the last point, the CIA and DynCorp eventually ran out of deceptions when detainees inevitably were transported to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba (by DynCorp) where, surprise, there is U.S. jurisdiction and the International Red Cross has access to detainees. Hence, decades long court cases still ongoing (with DynCorp a co-conspirator defendant) because evidence gathered through torture is inadmissible in court in U.S. jurisdictions. Your tax dollars at work.
irrelevant to this story…
Todd, is there a way to see when the switch happened and why?
For those still jumping on RHBB why the photos don’t match, she noted that it’s the wrong one, but anybody else got a current photo of the actual plane that crashed? Others can just input the N-# here and get all the aircraft info the FAA lists, and that not 1 but 2 planes used to have that tail number. https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResult
Crap. My condolences to their families and friends.
I was watching and listening to the Board of Supervisors meeting around this time where they were discussing the upcoming Rumble in the Redwoods airshow. I don’t like hearing about small aircraft crashes. I remember seeing too many videos of accidents at airshows. Although this wasn’t a plane at an airshow, small plane crashes happen too frequently.
Kym, I know I’m not supposed to to be “speculating”, but I concur that the picture of the aircraft you are showing is a Learjet, not a Cessna…
Im gonna go out on a limb here and stipulate that there is no possible way a Learjet lands or takes off at Kneeland Airport…
A Cessna, yes, but a Learjet, no.
Especially the Learjet model shown, which is not the smallest Learjet.
With a little research, this has been confirmed
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kneeland_Airport#:~:text=Its%20one%20runway%2C%2015%2F33,m)%20and%20is%20asphalt%20paved.
Length Surface
ft m
15/33 2,270 692 Asphalt
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(Runway length… 2,270 feet)
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Learjet 75 runway landing requirements…
https://www.globalair.com/aircraft-for-sale/specifications?specid=1420
4,440 feet
Take off shorter than 4,500 feet
AI
Continued…
“Distances”
“Takeoff Distance: 4263 ft
Balanced Field Length:
4400 ft
Landing Distance: 2660 ft ”
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(Learjet 75 landing distance is 390 feet longer than the total length of Kneeland Airport’s entire runway…!!!)
See where in my post above , I state, “I concur…”
I followed that up with corroborating information on that in no way the Kneeland Airport could possibly accommodate such as an aircraft, due to runway constraints, as additional evidence.
I know there is something wrong but that tail number is the one that FlightRadar shows as landing. And that tail number is attached to this plane. Why? I have no idea. I don’t have an explanation.
Sometimes registration numbers will be assigned to different aircraft. It is likely the Learjet was totaled or changed its registration number so when the 206 was aquired it was able to obtain that registration number. I can confirm it was a 206
Thank you. I’ve attempted to find something about the change over but haven’t found it so far.
Here is the N Number list…
https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResult
I finally saw that, also…
Definitely odd.
The Learjet shown and my impression of the size of the Kneeland Airport, even though I’ve never seen it, struck me right away as a likely mismatch…
I figured Kneeland Airport was similar in size to Garberville Airport…
I couldn’t see a Learjet landing there either…
Although I have seen a C-130 cargo plane land and take off again at shelter cove airport, and DC -10 aircraft have been know to use the shelter cove runway also, but not always successfully.
Well hopefully people at dyncorp are better mechanics than they are pilots
I’m no expert but it looks like they stalled out, for some reason…
Tap screenshot for full picture…
May they rest in peace, and condolences to their families and friends…
Joe Who do you think you are saying that about someone! How can you condemn a pilot when you don’t even know how the accident happened, what the cause was? Such comments are so disrespectful and hurtful! Loved ones were lost!
That pilot was a friend of mine. Be kind.
Condolences to all involved??????
Correct me if I am wrong, but the plane in the accompanying photo in the article is not Cessna T206H.
While the tail number is correct for that pictured plane, a T 206 is a single engine (Lycoming 540) high wing 5 person aircraft.
I know, not that it matters much, but the plane pictured would need more runway than Kneeland could provide.
Apparently, the 206 didn’t get a chance to try.
My condolences to the families of the people on board.
I am so sorry ?
The Description was The Model of Plane. Not Registration Number.
Anything on the Pilot’s shot status?
If ya want to find out about how a vaccine works (or not) and it takes two to three years then you are going to have to wait two or three years. ..paraphrased Bill Gates.
Que? You post in the wrong thread?
Or, hang on here, it might be COVID ITSELF?
Not denying the vaccine is probematic, but christ man! The pandemic is ongoing killing and maiming as we speak!
There is no evidence that Covid ever actually clears…and the facts show it causes issues down the road FOR ANYONE WHO HAS EVEN BEEN AYSMPTOMATIC.
Our government that cares so much about us has let a deadly, crippling virus loose and left us all as individuals to protect ourselves while they have access to the finest medical care.
The working class is being slaughtered cuz capitalism doesn’t want to clean the air…think John Snow and that damn pump handle.
RIP to those in this plane. For whatever reason, they’re dead now.
and p.s.
who are the ‘sheep’ now?
Please. Is everything about either the vaccines or covid now? This is NOT critical thinking…
Huh?! Irrelevant.
Are you an armchair accident analyst? Recently became semi-obsessed with “Pilot Debrief” on YouTube ; Hoover breaks it down.
What an absolute bummer ? I’m so incredibly sorry to hear about this. My condolences to all involved.
https://www.kcra.com/article/mcclellan-airport-plane-crashes-humboldt-county/61681245
Good grief, I didn’t think anyone could be so naïve as to think that Hitler was accurately representing his party when he labelled them “socialist.” If you believe that, then you’ll believe Stalin when he claimed that the proletariat ruled the Soviet Union. And you’ll believe there is freedom of speech in Putin’s Russia.