Charmaine Lawson, the Mother of Slain HSU Student, Gathers With Supporters on the Two Year Anniversary of His Death
Recall D.A. Fleming sign held by protesters at Arcata Plaza. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
However, she said, “Humboldt County DA Maggie Fleming don’t give a damn about my son…He was an outstanding young man.”
She cried out in pain to her son, “We last talked two years ago today…What am I going to do without you?”
![Charmaine Lawson calls out to her son with tears streaming down her face. [Photo by Mark McKenna]](https://kymkemp.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/LAWSON.2.YEAR_.VIGIL_.PLAZA_.DSC_6984-noresize.jpg)
Charmaine Lawson calls out to her son with tears streaming down her face. [Photo by Mark McKenna]
Josiah Lawson died of multiple knife wounds, surrounded by dozens of bystanders while a chaotic scene unfolded with some charging that Arcata Police officers failed to secure the crime scene, and ultimately failed to interview multiple witnesses that night.
Two years later, the investigation is ongoing.
Live video from the scene below.
https://www.facebook.com/RedheadedBlackbelt/videos/2482890091954766/?__xts__[0]=68.ARBtTKDwe4Xxory0y8SjZQ1JIl4A7qqvJSFvaejLptHjBngHE9aKPzh8kkfAsjLOwr5v7sJ6Y71I5NDqB6fOCdU13P0cKoXuSRZGz5ZR-M247YdM8A3Ruiv959-x8KFs-5LOUsy9fiGxKdiVIds2mAZJpo92fezfJFJp2K7ULb5wbOWsPGW6mztRS_HDKUj2Yp2icseQtAVQgEgonpdRLdfX9uwYEHI2nbJl0KMrLyEoeOVIKhY0jlR-oitbH6Lqjs8aN-tWQScBlulqnqe-Dde7eR2R87rjzZwPkKzprfdmxcjxKdtUZ8d0E7vbYB1PuljLWU61PciFiJddbho-1Vv2P8m_46lGvef-T2EZ&__tn__=-R
Earlier Stories about David Josiah Lawson:
- 19-Year-Old HSU Student Dies After Stabbing in Arcata Early This Morning
- 23-Year-Old McKinleyville Resident Arrested in Connection with HSU Student’s Stabbing Death
- HSU Offers Students Who Witnessed Stabbing Death Amnesty for Breaking School Rules; Asks Cooperation With Police
- Arcata Police Not Releasing Photo of Suspect in Stabbing Death for Now
- APD Received Anonymous Email About Fatal Stabbing; Pleads With Writer to Come Forward
- Celebration of the Life of Stabbing Victim Will be Held at Humboldt State University Today; Racial Bias Alleged to Have Led to Death
- Hundreds Mourn Slain HSU Student at Thursday Vigil
- Uncle of Fatal Stabbing Suspect Writes Letter to the Editor Urging Community Re-examine Public Statements Made in the Case
- Family of Arcata Stabbing Suspect Claims the Real Killer Has Not Been Caught (Includes Timeline of Events as Presented in Public Statements by Those at the Party)
- HSU and Arcata Police Issue Statements Following Release of Kyle Zoellner in the Stabbing Death of David Josiah Lawson
- District Attorney’s Office Issues Statement as Defendant in Racially Charged Case Released
- Family of Kyle Zoellner Who Was Released Today in Stabbing Death Issues Statement to Family and Friends of Victim
- Justice for Josiah Gathering Keeps Arcata Lively Tonight; Another Protest Called for Tomorrow
- Letter to the Community of Arcata from Kyle Zoellner’s Uncle
- Chanting “‘Justice for Josiah,’ Protesters Gather at the Courthouse
- Family Announces $10,000 Reward for Information Leading to Conviction of Killer of David Josiah Lawson
- APD Chief and Victim’s Mother Offer Updates on the Stabbing Death of David Josiah Lawson
- Letter From Family Member Questions Testimony of Witnesses in Hearing About Kyle Zoellner’s Possible Role in the Death of David Josiah Lawson
- ‘Reckless Statements’ Were Made by Tom Parker, and Lawson Attorney, Shelley Mack, Writes Uncle of Kyle Zoellner in Letter to the Editor
- Protestors Take Over Arcata City Council Meeting Demanding Justice for Josiah
- A Deeper Look at Last Thursday’s Disruption of the Arcata City Council by Protesters Demanding That Tom Parker Be Asked Back to Help in the Josiah Lawson Case
- Mother of Josiah Lawson Claims DNA on Knife Identifies her Son’s ‘Murderer’, Calls for Justice
- Grand Jury ‘Declines’ to Indict Anyone for Stabbing Death of David Josiah Lawson
- Arcata Police Say They Will ‘Work to Identify the Suspect who Murdered David Josiah Lawson’ After Grand Jury Declines to Indict Anyone
- APD Requests Public’s Help Identifying Potential Witnesses in Stabbing Death of David Josiah Lawson
- Zoellner’s DNA on Knife Used to Kill Her Son, Says Mother of David Josiah Lawson in Open Letter
- DA’s Office Responds to Letter From Mother of Slain HSU Student
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People care.. my heart breaks for this Mom, but she needs to stop pointing the finger at all the “white boys”. I really think one of his own friends accidentally stabbed him. I wish someone would come forward with the truth for this family so this young man can Rest In Peace.
Pre-trial Court testimony offers no feasible possibility that one of Davids friends stabbed him.
Pre-trial court testimony came up with a big fat nothingburger. That’s why it didn’t make it past the prelim when they were trying to charge Zoellner. The excuse then was that the case was hurried. That excuse doesn’t work after the grand jury hearing after review by the DA and experts from the CA DOJ, nearly two years later.
The Grand Jury was hung up by the horrible evidence collection.
The knife has David and Kyle’s DNA. It has fibers from clothes, judt not David or Kyle’s clothes.
The PD let the main suspects girl-crew leave the scene without any due processing. The main suspects car with knives inside was driven home by the girls.
When does a vehicle of a murder suspect, at the murder scene get let go? To be driven by friends of the main suspects girlfriend friends!
The PD received an anonymous letter years ago describing “sensitive details” of the murder.
They begged the writer to come forward because anonymous letters cant be used in court.
Even with that anonymous letter the authorities still hold Kyle as Suspect #1. That should not be ignored.
The local community has also been duped; Spreading slander that it was David’s friends that stabbed him.
That comes from Kyle’s Uncle and Lawyer local PR campaign to affect the perception of events into a white victim story, as opposed to a free killer story.
Repeating irrelevant or discredited rubbish does not make it true.
The only reason Zoellner was considered a suspect was the word of people who claimed they saw something incriminating, but actually didn’t. Arresting him as the only suspect was the quickest way to placate a hostile and unruly crowd, and continuing only with that lead was politically expedient while “Justice for Josiah” was rampaging in Arcata, but poor investigative practice. The Chief of APD was a jellyfish in not ordering a thorough investigation of all possible leads in a timely fashion and the one lead APD chose to follow through on came up empty. Twice, even with all of the evidence they gathered reviewed by DOJ experts and evaluated by a grand jury. Time to move on.
The Lawson case is only one of at least three unsolved homicide cases since it went down. There was the teenage girl in the Eureka drug house who was found dead with a sock in her mouth while her mom was keeping sketchy company, and Dragana Solaja, the woman found dying in Fortuna under extremely suspicious circumstances suggesting she had been abducted. But there is nobody in the streets protesting their deaths. The failure of investigation in those cases is much more protest-worthy than the one saddled with less-than-truthful witnesses, where a cocaine dealing student got killed while partaking of a mob beat-down at a cocaine party.
By “cocaine dealing” you must mean Kyle.
https://slausongirl.com/murder-suspect-kyle-zoellner-arrested-for-meth-possession-in-2013/
And
https://kymkemp.com/2016/11/04/king-salmon-couple-arrested-last-night-for-maintaining-a-drug-house/
By “student” you mean David.
Try not to be so confused on the simplest of it.
Your literally part of the problem.
No, I meant Josiah. I am as aware of Zoellner’s 2013 arrest for meth as I am of Lawson’s social media posts (scrubbed but screen capped somewhsere) celebrating the coke scene and lifestyle.
You do know the difference between meth and coke, don’t you?
Gee, you knew about Kyle’s drughouse mom and meth arrest but didnt mention it….
I give links, you dont.
I wouldn’t be surprised if David had stupid pictures posted. Similar to every other youth.
Find it. Do something. Until you do it’s a rumor that you keep spreading.
Today you can google KeyLey93 and watch Kyle take bongs loads with kickdowns from local idiots, everyday.
The difference is I’m showing proof of the words I write.
You just keep writing hoping someone will believe you for some ignorant reason.
I was comparing Lawson’s status as a victim (heavily tainted) to the status of the victims in the other two unsolved murders, not to Zoellner. You raised Zoellner as a diversion, AKA “whataboutism” because you cannot defend the elevated status that has been given Lawson relative to the other victims of unsolved killings.
Your arguments are nothing but manipulation and diversion, as amply demonstrated in this thread.
This article is about Lawson.
You bringing up other unsolved cases to disparage this case is actually more closer to your idea of “whataboutism”.
I’m on topic.
social or physiological? or historical? right there you got Hitler a known meth user, like to kill people and on the flip side you got Freud and we all know Sigmund loved his coke but did not like to kill people.
Thirdeye, don’t waste your time with this guy. He’s slightly off kilter
Mama G is right on target. Come forward. Manslaugter at worst. If it was an accident the “murderer “ would most likley serve only a few years, or torture this young mans mom for eternity. Nowadays it’s just a lot easier to blam others. Look at the Democratic Party!
As I was clicking in the article, I was thinking about how I feel sorry for her. Then the first thing I read is,
“My son was butchered and no one cares,”.
Damn, I mean she cant really believe that. Most people don’t have rallies and tons of press when their loved one dies, even if they are murdered. What is going on with her?
EDIT:
“asserting that prejudice against the black community in Humboldt has crippled the investigation into her son’s tragic death. ”
WHAT!? That is outrageous! She’d better come forward with some damn good evidence after an accusation like that!
also post as hmm
But then she said people did care, just not the DA.
I’m sure the DA would like to care more – but cant do anything with the mess of the case the Police Dept. gave her regarding David Lawson.
When you try to railroad a suspect without good evidence the case does tend to be a mess.
More like never assume the abundance of evidence is enough.
The cops should have followed more technical procedures even though they had the right guy.
You mean she acknowledged the crowd. Doesn’t seem to negate her sentiment.
We can all be upset that Charmaine is calling our community racist. This is our community, we care about it deeply, we are right to be upset by those accusations. We also have the priveledge of being impartial about all the unsolved murders in this county, they are all sad and equally tragic. Charmaine doesn’t have that priveledge, she lost her son, to her that is the most important murder that has happened in our community and the only one that matters, it was, after all, her son. I applaud her for the pressure she is putting on the DA, APD, and HCSO. It sucks our community is being raked over the coals in the process but its about time someone did this, too many murders have gone unsolved, we need to toughen up. If we care about all those other murders we need to take a page out of Ms. Lawson’s book and protest and cause a scene at the courthouse ourselves. Maybe then, one day, the LEO’s will start to do something, or at least the amount of protesting may get national news coverage and some change may start to happen once outside attention is brought to our much larger problem of missing persons/murders.
I don’t care anymore.
Her grind is exhausting.
Exactly. She was crying with no tears on the news tonight. Playing this racism game constantly and wanting the white boy held to answer without sufficient evidence is becoming very old. I’m honestly starting to not care and wish she would just STFU!
You may not believe Charmaine is sad (though really, how hard is it to believe a mother is grieving the death of her son) but she had tears. I’ll add a photo into the article (and yes, there are multiple shots of her tears) as the quality of photos in the comment section is pretty rough.
Photo below by Mark McKenna
I have to agree with you. I also remember when this first happened and Lawson’s friends were not cooperating with the Arcata pd nor letting paramedics through to treat him.
Ms. Lawson should crawl back under whatever racist rock she came out from under.
You’re WRONG [edit] and I wonder how you all would react or grieve if you had a child murdered with no one charged with the crime. [edit] You all same the same sh*t like a broken record. Find something better and constructive to do with your [edit] mind.
Yo Guest, is it possible for a person to simultaneously have empathy for the victims of this tragedy but don’t support the broken-record narrative of how her tragedy is proof that Humboldt County is a Racist, corrupt place? What exactly does this movement want, seriously? More investigative resources? Letting the DA charge someone without sufficient evidence just to make the victims feel better? What do you think should be done?
Right. Of course we think it’s sad a kid was stabbed but the way this woman has treated this community and her outrageous accusations when her son and her son’s girlfriend initiated the fight with four of his other friends and the fact that she still acts like her son is some kind of innocent victim when we’ve all seen Kyle’s Zoellner face in his mugshot. the fact that this woman keeps coming to this community and demanding more resources and time and money be spent on her son’s case than the numerous other unsolved cases is just ridiculous. why does she think her son is so much more important than all the other people who died, how is that not racist to demand that the black person who was killed while committing a violent crime get much more Justice then a white woman of the same age murdered in her shower while not committing a violent crime. how about you just allow all people of all colors to get the same amount of time and money and resources when they get murdered, leave our community alone already Charmaine, if you’re so worried about this and why don’t you teach other young black men that picking a fight with four other people is not the way to solve someone asking about a phone rudely and spread the word that any time any person is in a fight they may be killed, accidentally or in self-defense. is this woman so supremely delusional that she thinks her son had a right to be in a violent fight and walk away completely unharmed no arrest just off scot-free because he’s black.
direct personal insults are frowned upon I believe.
Got any gum??
Just because a black person got killed doesnt necessarily make his killer, or the community, racist. That accusation is deeply offensive to most people in Humboldt, which is bar none the most laid back / come as you are / all inclusive place I’ve ever lived. In fact, her repeated accusations of racism are causing most people here to NGAF anymore.
Here:
https://kymkemp.com/2019/04/15/charmaine-lawson-the-mother-of-slain-hsu-student-gathers-with-supporters-on-the-two-year-anniversary-of-his-death/#comment-805342
Or
https://kymkemp.com/2019/04/15/charmaine-lawson-the-mother-of-slain-hsu-student-gathers-with-supporters-on-the-two-year-anniversary-of-his-death/#comment-805340
Exactly. pike
Yep. Pike is correct.
Please consider your recomendation for Ms Lawson for yourself!!!
Get over it already one of his friends probably stabbed him and if he wouldn’t of been out partying it wouldn’t of happened
This is ignoring the facts of the case and pushing blame on the black kids in the story.
Does anyone see why theres claims of racism yet?
You may not be an overt racist, but your subconscious racial bias was typed by you.
You keep getting worse dude. More and more ignorable. There was time I thought you had a brain, but the Real Brain left. F your idiotic claims of racism. It doesn’t exist.
I hope your cute when your angry, otherwise your just ugly and angry, and that’s not a good day.
How did you conclude that I was angry? Because I disagreed with you? You must be a leftist!
I’m the most hated on person not only in my country, but the world! White. Straight. Male. Republican voter. Enemy number 1. The most (truly) racist people I have ever met are POC. Me? I’m like whatever….. don’t show me hate and expect not to be hated on, it don’t work that way.
Just putting the blame on kids. Who cares if they were black or white.. O ky racists.
“Hey hey! Ho ho! We ain’t gonna take it no moRE! ” That was so white, lol. Pretty sure that was Renee Saucedo.
Geez? Who’s financing all these trips up here and why hasn’t his father made an appearance?My guess, start questioning his buddies. Otherwise, nobody cares.
“……why hasn’t his father made an appearance?”
The elephant in the room. Statistically, the results of unwed motherhood on children, especially boys, have been a disaster. The void from no positive male role model gets filled with negative role models. In my teaching experience, the contrast between the positive contact with married parents and the negative contact with unwed parents was stark.
David was on a scholarship to a school away from his house.
Kyle never went to college, near or far from his home.
David had no record.
Kyle did.
Kyle’s mom & family has been arrested for maintaining local drug houses.
David’s family has been pushing activism for justice on a murder.
Now, why do you pick on the black family when theres no reason too?
Well-raised kids do not do what Lawson was doing when he was killed.
The topic was unwed vs married parents, not white vs black parents. You’re the one who decided to make it a racial issue for no good reason. All of my parent contacts were with black parents, both unwed and married. The contacts with married parents, both mothers and fathers, were positive. The contacts with unwed mothers were negative.
Well-raised?
You dont know Jack- or David or Kyle
Your making stuff up, every comment.
What do you have on David’s history of being raised? Show us all what you got!
Here’s Kyle’s mom’s drughouse:
https://kymkemp.com/2016/11/04/king-salmon-couple-arrested-last-night-for-maintaining-a-drug-house/
Or Kyle’s meth arrest:
https://slausongirl.com/murder-suspect-kyle-zoellner-arrested-for-meth-possession-in-2013/
And anymore will cost you. School is expensive and you keep getting sent back to it.
The statistics on the results of unwed vs present father child-rearing are stark. There has been no mention of Lawson’s father. Whoever he is, he seems not to have been in Lawson’s life.
Lawson’s behavior was not that of someone well-raised, your whataboutism over Zoellner notwithstanding. Lawson and his buddies also had a reputation for being scrappy before Zoellner came along. Stop trying to pretend that he was some sort of model citizen.
Suspects mom runs a drughouse.
But your still worried about the black victims father.
Got it.
Good thing Zoellner’s father is a straight guy. That factor probably helped Zoellner out a great deal when he needed to get straight. Maybe a father in Lawson’s life could have aided him in developing better impulse control and decision making.
what about when the parent(s) are on Meth? its not like we don’t have an enormous amount of local data for that.
You may stick with the singular case in referring to Zoellner’s mom.
Super sad Senario! I sincerely hope justice will be served one day! I feel like The Real Brian really laid out the Scenario in the last post comments really well, and I appreciate that.. Personally I went back and read more of the testimony. The notion that one of Josiah’s friends stabbed him is a super lame mythology. I do not blame Charmaine for raising hell to find justice for her son. I think it’s what any mother would do..
At this point it frankly looks more like seeking attention than seeking justice.
I couldn’t imagine losing a child and I would assume it can make a parent a little crazy. Now, the other idiots protesting, not sure what’s going on there.
Fair enough.
I know, from personal experience with untimely death in the family and the way people responded, that dwelling on it for years after the event is the unhealthy path for the bereaved individual. Charmaine might be getting short-term gratification from the response to her dramatizing, but she is harming herself in the long run.
Charmaine Lawson, you’re a boring publicity seeker.
You have fully alienated the community.
Goodbye.
That seems unnecessarily harsh and personal.
I have very mixed feelings about the whole thing but it doesn’t seem like Ms. Lawson is after financial gain just some sense of closure.
This troll does this every time there’s an article regarding this tragedy. It gives him great joy TO belligerently rake this grieving mother over the coals, repeats and agrees with himself as different people and has the empathy of a coiled rattlesnake. This has become so predictable it’s a joke. I can sense the satisfaction he derives from saying inappropriate and hurtful stupid shit to and about this mother. The most pathetic long running trolling here and on LOCO. I’m sure as the day wears on that loco will have to shut down its thread .
Why does Ms. Kemp allow this disgusting trolling against a grieving mother to continue? If it were my blog, I would have deleted it, and this sick troll, a long time ago. It adds nothing to the discussion other than cruelty. Ms. Kemp, you bear responsibility for the harm this is causing to the Lawson family.
Good question. Because it’s his “opinion”?? I do know I have had comments deleted for far less. Maybe she is letting this troll go as an example of a sick mindset. Most of us know who it is. Being multiple people agreeing with himself is his signature style. Turning everything political is another, thus the “leftist” and “liberal” label he uses prolificy, spiced up with some white victimization and reverse racism. 4chan altright playbook moves, with a heavy dose of lack of empathy.
The dead guy caused it by trying to be a badass.
I find it interesting that so many people around these parts focus on skin color.
And questioning where his father is?
And questioning how his mother can afford the trips up north?
A guy was murdered by being stabbed multiple times after a fight broke out concerning theft accusations of a missing phone.
Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. But I’m guessing that would be too much to expect from small minded folks.
I find it interesting that so many leftists calling themselves progressive focus on skin color and quick to call white people racist while engaging in mob mentality trying to shame people for not thinking like they do.
The guy was out partying and engaged in violence. Racial violence in a gang beating. In most states, this wouldn’t of been considered murder, it would be justifiable for the defense of another’s life. You live by the sword you die by the sword. Engage in violence and bad things happen.
Maybe his momma should of taught him better to not engage in violence. Or maybe personal responsibility for ones actions. Obviously she missed the lesson that all choices require cost and consequences lie in the future.
But we all tire of this woman. Rule of law not mob justice. We have due process in this country for a reason and unfortunately this case seems awash.
Exactly.
Dads missing from the picture yield highly emotional, high estrogen men. Sure seems like a factor with someone who lacked the ability to just walk away, and seemed to have started the fight to begin with. This is endemic in the black community, and why they keep dying. Quit being a victim and start taking responsibility. You can bet that the outcomes will change
Sarah, you know nothing about the Lawson family, and your comment is clearly racist against Black people.[edit]
I love anyone that decides to be an individual, not the stereotype. Start thinking for yourself. That’s how you change the world.
Thank you Lisa.
Watch Tommy Sotomayor he’ll help you understand what a BT/1000 is, they can’t be reasoned with
I love that cat. His brutally honest don’t give a fig style is exactly what is needed to wake people up to reality and start them working on real solutions.
One of the last men standing in the black community
Pretty fucking narrow vision your using.
You don’t have a job, do you? Shocker. If you really care, here’s a pro tip: stop virtue signaling and start telling the truth.
Virtue signaling on the internet is more important.
Well, then i would make the case that nothing enslaves and subjugates someone more than making them a victim, or even allowing them to be one. If you love, you would never allow someone to not take responsibility. Virtue signalers are just losers 🙂
Okay, I have kids and can definitely feel for Ms. Lawson, no question. I also believe she is throwing the race card out there when it is not applicable.
Furthermore, and I really don’t like saying this, but…this was by all accounts an out of control scene. A person was getting the shit beat out of him (based on the mug shots taken immediately after), was beaten unconscious according to some witnesses….when does self defense come up? Seriously, if you are getting beat to the point of being unconscious a person has a right to defend him/her self!
Sorry, but why would this be murder if in fact the person being beaten defended himself by fighting back with what he had available.?
Bill,
The court testimony shows Kyle was knocked down after David was stabbed.
All his injuries were not from a jumping or beat down. Infact it seems the worst looking left eye injuries were post-stabbing.
—–‐——
When Paris Wright saw his friend David Josiah Lawson on the ground with another man in a headlock, at first he thought it was kind of funny.
“Where I come from we fight standing up,” Wright testified today. He said Lawson was lying face-up in the grass, with Kyle Zoellner lying face-up on top of him. One of Lawson’s arms was around Zoellner’s neck, the other was pinning his arms. He became worried that Lawson was going to hurt or even kill Zoellner, so he went to intervene.
Lawson was looking at him with a “blank stare,” he said, but he wouldn’t let go of Zoellner. He had to pry his arm away from the other man. He said Zoellner rolled away, and he reached out to help his friend Lawson up. He didn’t reach back.
“That’s when I saw blood,” Wright testified today during the second day of Zoellner’s preliminary hearing.
He looked at Zoellner and said “Did you stab my friend?”
Wright testified that Zoellner never got a chance to answer, because he punched him twice in the face as hard as he could.
Lawson and Zoellner had been lying next to a red Ford Mustang parked at the curb. An Arcata police officer later found a knife under the Mustang.
https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/may/2/arcata-murder-hearing-witness-testifies-lawson-and/
Pretty easy to understand. Kyle is being choked to death and stabbs Josiah to save his life.
Pretty easy to understand. Kyle was being choked to death and stabbed Josiah to defend his life.
Witness testimony doesn’t put your idea forward as the most likely.
David was fighting for his life at this point. He had already been stabbed, and was trying to keep from being stabbed again by holding onto his assailant.
Sure, cherry pick selections from testimony that was inconsistent with other testimony and physical evidence, and found in the aggregate to be unreliable.
Would you like the links to every report of testimony or can you be a big person and do some work yourself?
Why would I do more for you when everything I’ve done for you is ignored, cried about, dismissed and ridiculed without one fucking link.
Awwww, nobody else wants to play Brians’s stupid little cherry picking game!
signing off
Brian,
Do you know if Josiah’s blood was found on the back of Kyle’s shirt? I think you might have uncovered something here.
I don’t remember any evidence about Josiah’s blood on Kyle, but there may have been.
If Josiah was on his back on the ground, and had Kyle on top of him on Kyle’s back,in a headlock, after Josiah had been stabbed, wouldn’t there be blood on Kyle’s back? (That sentence was terrible, but hopefully understandable)
Your quoted excerpt of testimony comes from Paris, who may or may not be telling the truth. A lot of weight seems to be placed on the validity of his version of events, no?
No this is old news, unfortunately. I dont think theres much more to be gained from his testimony.
Also unfortunate- I dont know the answer to your question regarding Kykes clothes.
It is possible that Kyle had David’s blood seep onto him, but it’s also possible it didnt.
I would have to look back at the reporting of the autopsy by Shelley Mack. If I remember the wounds stab wounds were side-torso area around heart. The blood may not have hit Kyle at all in the position Paris states he found them.
How many layers of clothes was David wearing, or Kyle. Did Kyle remove a layer before arrest?
I think Paris’ testimony lines up with others, excepting the main suspects girlfriend.
I dont think it’s the most important thing, but people seem to try to discredit him because he showed frustration in the courtroom.
Zoellner had none of Lawson’s blood on his clothes. Weird, huh, since he was supposedly lying on top of him either after he was stabbed or while he was on top of him.
Funny how that is!
According to police testimony Zoellner had blood in his knee area and spattered on his sweatshirt. It hasn’t been said whether that blood belonged to anyone other than him. He reportedly was bleeding from his eye socket, nose and mouth. Several people have claimed he was attacked by a group of men, though other witnesses dispute that.
https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/may/4/arcata-murder-hearing-more-testimony-knife-found-s/
That is a lie. Zoellner was attacked and beaten unconscious right off the bat, as soon as his mouthy girlfriend accosted Lawson and his buddies about her missing cellphone. Read the LoCo coverage of the preliminary hearing. One of Lawson’s buddies said he and his brother both believed Zoellner was knocked out when they left. Lawson was stabbed after he left the party (after being pepper-sprayed during his attack on Zoellner) and then came back looking for HIS mouthy girlfriend.
Regarding Zoellner being down:
https://kymkemp.com/2019/03/29/das-office-responds-to-letter-from-mother-of-slain-hsu-student/#comment-799516
He did eventually get up.
The bear-mace can was emptied on the crowd of black kids.
The bear-mace can was supplied by Kyle’s girlfriends friend.
Kyle’s girlfriends were accusing black kids at the party of stealing a phone.
Kyle’s main injuries were from getting knocked out by David’s friend after he stabbed David.
Testimony makes that clear.
But you seemed to just be going with your gut, so don’t let the stinkin facts get in the way of you now.
Oh yeah, like you would know. Of course you know more than the professionals. Nah, more like you think you have it figured out. Just shut up.
No. I dont know more than the “professionals”.
What I can say confidently is I have read more about this case than you, and many here who say what they “think”.
“Testimony makes that clear.” Not according to anyone who evaluated it in a responsible fashion.
Well just prove that you have read it. Grab the quotes, paste em, link em, make the case.
Otherwise what are you doing?
There’s this little thing called the court record that discredits what you cite.
Theres this little thing called links.
Try it.
The real brain left some time ago. Got court records? Pfft, he’s got links!
Ya, because unless your driving us to the courtroom to see what they wont show you (transcripts), then all there are is some fucking links.
Which you refuse to use.
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The links the links! You have to post some links otherwise you aren’t playing fair! You have to play by my rules and post some links! Lookatme lookatme! I can cut and paste! You can’t have any pudding until you post some links!!!
Whether you agree with Brian or not, (and my opinion is different from his), he doesn’t just throw out his opinion and expect others to agree. He offers reasons (links) backing his information. I respect that.
As do I, I think it’s a better quality than just spewing. I’m just pointing out how trivial it is to be hung up on links on this particular story at this point, being most of us commenting on this thread have commented on all others regarding this story and we are all pretty well versed in witness testimony and what was said/happened at this point. To not take someone’s opinion seriously that he has debated with at multiple times across multiple other threads on this same issue is, at this point, childish. Especially when he has been caught cherry picking witness testimony to support his view.
1911,
I have to draw lines.
If someone reasonably disagrees I’m great to discuss it reasonably.
If someone thinks something is false and wants me to understand they better have more than an opinion.
Thank you for the tip.
I would suggest others get their links together while minding their grammar.
Life is good, enjoy.
You are also being very biased and ignoring some big facts. The mace was used like mace is often used, to stop an assault or something bad that’s happening to the person. The can of Mace was emptied out over the crowd and was also sprayed on Kyle and it was in hopes to stop five people from jumping one man. sorry you live in such a delusional world that you think people should be able to jump someone because they don’t like how they ask for a phone and then nothing to happen to them after they violently assault a single person five on one. you are so supremely delusional and you just think it should be okay that everyone violently assault someone and nothing ever happens to them as long as they’re black. if you flip the colors in the story and it was five white men who jumps one black man and then one white man got stabbed would you be so upset or would you be pissed at 5 white men jumped one black man over a f****** phone.
The real brain left some time ago, but he’s got links.
Kyle was knocked out cold with in seconds, then girls jumped on Kyle to save his life, the peper spray was deployed. JD was stabbed. Police picking unconscious Kyle off the ground putting him originally in the police car for his safety. Then he was charged with murder, because this group of boys that beat him said Kyle did it. I don’t know of anyone that is unconscious that could stabbed anyone. That picture of Kyle is a week after the beating because the DA didn’t want the public to really see what his face looked originally. SOMETHING SMELLS FISHY!!!
There is a absolutely no proof Kyle was unconcious when David was stabbed.
Infact, how much time Kyle was down is very much debatable:
https://kymkemp.com/2019/03/29/das-office-responds-to-letter-from-mother-of-slain-hsu-student/#comment-799516
According to the DA, the reason they can’t go any further with the case at this point is the lack of witnesses willing to come forward and testify under oath.
Since most of the witnesses were friends of the victim and all of them are basically saying they didn’t see anything, either the murder didn’t happen in front of multiple witnesses, or those witnesses are unwilling to testify under oath as to what they saw. There is every indication that the murder did happen in front of multiple witnesses, so it makes you wonder why nobody saw anything.
It is extremely unfortunate that the police were not able to fully process the crime scene and interview every person at the party, but you have to remember there was a near riot at the scene when they arrived, with party goers threatening the EMTs and police officers trying to save the victim’s life (after his friends had almost certainly hastened his death by trying to give him CPR). The police were first and foremost concerned with trying to bring the scene under control and avoid further violence. Not having the resources to do it by arresting the ones advocating violence, they instead had to disperse the crowd.
Until some of the witnesses are willing to come forward and testify under oath as to what they saw, this case is probably not going anywhere.
Exactly. It’s fairly simple to logic this out. Multiple witnesses most likely, yet none come forward. What could it mean? That Kyle clearly did it? Hmm, seems like if that was so then the witnesses would be happy to come forward. Nah, I think the most likely is that either it was one of his friends or someone that the witnesses don’t want to blame, or else someone who no one really knew and has left the area. I believe the former is true.
Well there were only the two girls at the party that were his friends as far as i can see from what ive read.in any event this is at most a manslaughter case based on using an excessive type of self defense, but given how bad he was being pummeled, a jury could easily conclude defense by stabbing was not unreasonable. But first you have to prove Zoellner was the stabber.
3 girls. There were 3. I’ll name them if you want.
The level of fighting before the stabbing is of debate.
It seems that Kyle’s worst visible wounds were from getting punched twice after stabbing David.
“It seems…..”
……based on nothing but your prejudices. And if you want to invoke Castillo’s word you have to justify selecting it over other accounts that cannot be reconciled with it. The case can go nowhere without truthful and consistent witness accounts.
It was dark and there were only a few people in the yard when the stabbing occurred. Also, there were separate fights going on. Zoellner and Josiah were off by themselves. Most of the ‘witnesses’ were still in the house or around the back. They only showed up when they heard all the commotion, but they weren’t there to witness the stabbing. So much for your ‘witnesses’.
That’s not entirely the problem.
The DA cant do anything else because the lack of procedure that was followed professionally at the scene.
With that, all the DA can do is ask for help now.
And there are some people that could say more.
Someone wrote an anonymous letter that can’t be used in court. The PD seems to think that whoever wrote the letter saw exactly what happened, as it had “sensitive details”.
https://kymkemp.com/2019/04/15/charmaine-lawson-the-mother-of-slain-hsu-student-gathers-with-supporters-on-the-two-year-anniversary-of-his-death/#comments
Dude nobody knows the timeline of when Josiah was stabbed. Quit cherry picking facts to fit your narrative. Every fact about that whole incident is murky at best. You are trying to act as though you have the facts pinned down in a case where there is little physical evidence to support your claim. The cops don’t know, the DA doesn’t know, and neither do you. But I suppose since you have links to a story that everybody can read/has read multiple times over somehow makes you a credible source on the issue? Unless you are a witness yourself you know as little as anybody else and your viewpoints are merely speculation and about as credible as mine or anybody else’s on this thread, “links” notwithstanding.
Exactly.
“There’s unequivocal physical evidence”
https://m.northcoastjournal.com/humboldt/my-conversation-with-richard-ehle/Content?oid=13669530
Well obviously the evidence wasn’t “unequivocal” at all considering the DA and Grand Jury decided not to indict anyone based on said “unequivocal” evidence. Thats an old article dude, much has happened since that article was written. See? Even your link is wrong thanks for the laugh.
The article is 14 days young.
What’s your criteria for “old”?
How is it “wrong”, dude?
Its old because the article is reporting on an old, outdated statement that was made months ago, regardless if the article was written 14 days ago. Its wrong because that “unequivocal” evidence was thrown out, i.e. the Grand Jury and DA deciding there wasn’t enough there(or maybe there was nothing there at all, could’ve been a shot in the dark for all any of us know) to indict anyone on any charges. Give it a rest dude, your obviously pushing an agenda that won’t go any farther than this thread. Go for a jog in the redwoods or something.
the thing that confuses me most and I rarely see mentioned is the fact that the girlfriend of Josiah was also stabbed in her arm. I don’t know about you but when I get stabbed in the arm I always know who was the person directly in front of me stabbing me in the arm. why hasn’t she said who did it, and is she the one who f****** did it on accident while trying to stab Kyle. She did throw the first punch of the fight so seems pretty logical.
People forget these little tidbits, but I seem to recall reading that she was also stabbed as you say.
Witnesses said it wasn’t long before Bobadillo was in a physical fight with Ortega and her friend Naiya Wilkins. Bobadillo said Ortega bit her on the breast, leaving her with “bleeding bite marks” and scars. Ortega has denied biting anyone.
https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/may/3/arcata-murder-hearing-friends-testify-girl-fight-b/
Please find a link to read more about this, I have not seen or heard that that I can remember.
I really would like to read about it!
While it is possible Kyle is in fact the killer, it seems more likely his girlfriend might have done it. After all, she started it all (motive). She was there (opportunity). She could have easily gone to the car unnoticed to get the knife (she would know it was there). She would have looked like she was trying to help Kyle, when she got close enough to Lawson. She was smart enough to get the car away from the police and take it home, instead of it being impounded.
APD sure screwed the pooch on this one. Now this case is a toxic one for anyone to get near that wants to get re-elected, which is why I figure the DA used a grand jury, and requested outside help with it.
For a death to go unsolved when so many people were around just seems to me disgraceful. So sad. I remember when partying in Arcata used to be fun (and safe).
Any thoughts?
If It was Kyle’s girlfriend Josiah’s friends would be speaking to the police.
I’m not so sure. I broke up a fight once and no one even noticed what I did. Most didn’t even notice I got involved. Although the fight was inside the house, the party was similar to this party, ie; most every person drunk and high, and mostly out of control.
Most likely true
Not likely his girlfriend Lila Ortega. I thought that upon preliminary reading.
But I later refined my thoughts.
I would put money down that Lilas friend who supplied the mace is more involved. I even suspect she wiped the knife and threw it under the mustang.
But all evidence points to Kyle actually stabbing David.
Officer McKenzie also testified that after Lawson was taken to the hospital in an ambulance and everyone was leaving the party, he was approached by Angelica Mcfarland, a friend of Zoellner’s girlfriend who went to the party with the Ortega and Wilkins.
According to Officer McKenzie’s testimony, Mcfarland said she wanted to tell the officer something.
“She informed me that it was not Kyle [Zoellner], and that Kyle never had a knife,” the officer said.
McKenzie also said while Mcfarland was speaking with him, Officer Armanio informed him that she had found a knife. He said he then responded to her location where he photographed the weapon.
When asked if he noticed anything on the knife in a photograph he’d taken, he looked at the picture and said, “there is a partial fingerprint on the blade.”
It couldn’t have been Officer McKenzie, though, because he was wearing gloves in the photographs he’d taken while collecting the evidence.
https://krcrtv.com/archive/breaking-kyle-zoellner-will-be-released-judge-rules-not-enough-evidence-to-bring-case-to-trial
Angelica McFarland was one of three girls who accompanied Zoellner’s girlfriend Lila Ortega to the party that night.
One of the girls in the group, Naiya Wilkins, testified that McFarland pepper-sprayed Josiah, his girlfriend and the two brothers they were with prior to the stabbing.
In addition, McFarland’s mother was called to the scene and drove Zoellner’s car (that was parked right in the middle of the crime scene with a bag of chef knives in it) to drop the girls off at home.
https://slausongirl.com/who-is-angelica-mcfarland-and-why-wasnt-she-brought-to-testify/
Also, the girls were involved in a separate fight while Josiah was being stabbed.
Thank you again Lisa
All the girls were fingerprinted, and gave blood samples. The fingerprint or blood on knive was not the girls. But please ask Chandler why if his best friend was stabbed and was taken to the hospital, “Why would he go home and change his clothes before going to the hospital? Let truth rain in Humboldt. It was never racist. It helps the people that think it is with gentle psyches. Blessing to everyone involved.
Please provide evidence that the girls were fingerprinted.
Ask APD. I will not tell u who I am.
You ask them.
Post the email when done.
Simple!
Their clothes fibers are what we need anyway, not fingerprints.
Those of you calling for Ms Flemmings recall need to understand just two things:
Reasonable doubt &
Double jeopardy.
If she took Zoellner to trial with the evidence available, enough doubt could easily be raised by any competent attorney to get an aquittal. If new, more compelling evidence was uncovered in the future it wouldn’t matter. Mr Zoellner could not be tried again.
I am decidedly not a fan of the DA but I am a fan of the safeguards provided by our justice system.
CHECK YOUR SONS FRIENDS DNA, OR ARE YOU AFRAID? paid protesters just like Horowitz did, leave and take your hate Char.
Get Angelica McFarlands DNA.
Or Lila Ortegas.
If the black kids are so guilty like you want to believe why did not one just say the only thing that was needed to put Kyle in:
“I saw him stab David”
Not one of David’s friends lied. They told what they saw and heard, nothing more.
Things like “oh shit he’s got a knife” were heard.
Another friend saw Kyle drop “something shiny” when Paris punched Kyle out; right after asking Kyle “did you stab my friend” as he separated Kyle from David on the ground.
Haha how do you know “NOT ONE OF HIS FRIENDS LIED”listen to what your saying, and try not to laugh, thanks for enlightening us on PARIS, being right in the thick of it. Paris needs a lie detector test. Maybe you should be chars attny.
https://kymkemp.com/2019/04/15/charmaine-lawson-the-mother-of-slain-hsu-student-gathers-with-supporters-on-the-two-year-anniversary-of-his-death/#comment-805496
“B(lack) people lie” – Chairokee
You fudged that detail of when somebody saw Zoellner “drop ‘something shiny.”
It would have taken more than one person claiming they saw Zoellner stab Lawson. Their account would have to have been corroborated on key details by other witnesses, and the witness accounts were conflicting significantly. Ergo, sunk at the prelim and at the grand jury hearing.
Do you know what a link is?
STFU
https://www-urbandictionary-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?amp_js_v=a2&_gsa=1&term=stfu&=true&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.urbandictionary.com%2Fdefine.php%3Fterm%3Dstfu
I’m not talking on other post/threads, enjoy those all you want!
“Save The Freaking Unicorns ”
I like it.
Blood and fingerprint of girls taken. No match.
Please show where that was reported so we know your not making something up or remembering incorrectly.
It wasn’t reported. I am very close to case.
If LOCO and KYM et al would stop reporting on what Ms. Lawson opines this would end. Ms. Lawson’s opinions are not news.
The less you click on an article, the less we are likely to think it is of interest to our community and report on it. There are 67 comments on an article posted late in the day. That indicates publically that some folks including you are interested enough to come read about what happened.
I’m pretty sure me and plenty others don’t even read the article and click directly on the comments just to post our opinion about how pissed we are and how much we want her to leave our community alone and/or start fighting for something logical like ending kids having party fights because every single fight can end in someone seriously injured or murdered(David could have punched someone wring and became a murderer himself) and if she really wanted to do something good with her life she would be out there trying to prevent this from happening to other people by spreading the word that you should never ever ever ever ever ever engage in a fight that you can easily walk away from. she needs to leave our community alone and stop claiming that we’re all racist because her son who died during a violent assault. if it was Kyle he had every right to stab David because if 5 people are jumping you are definitely in fear of dying and you have a right to defend yourself this is America, we don’t have to just let five black guys kill us because we don’t want to look like racist for defending ourselves.
Bingo. I skip the articles on this kid and go for the comment section any more because it is like the same bleep just a different day and sometimes the comments are more interesting.
And who needs facts…Let’s just throw out opinions based on our personal prejudices.
That is putting words in my mouth. There really isn’t any new facts. Reading comments is like people watching and seeing how they engage and sometimes one gets involved in the dialogue.
I think the hard work of building a community requires more than just emotionally pushing your opinion on others. It requires knowing at least a little about the subject and if you haven’t at least skimmed the article…it’s kind of hard to know if there is anything you should be aware of.
Skimming yes but that is not reading imo. I have read not just your blog but other source … there are other sources covering the same and with nothing new on the case nor the mother’s demands.
You don’t see her escalating the demand that Maggie Fleming step down and being the coalescing point for a possible recall movement?
Are you creating one? Do you know whether the DA is spot on or not? That maybe if the case against Zoellner were brought to trial now, he would be found not guilty and that would be the real injustice? If she was really incompetent, she would bring it to trial even if she was sure it would be lost. If that is she could find a judge to indict. She would be off the hook and the jury blamed.
No. I see a grieving mother that is lashing out at every possible moment. I see a mother who’s grief is consuming her and the community and from that grief is the rising of hatred and division. I see it in her actions and that of the community. By the numbers of comments on this blog and the ‘sides’ that are being drawn. I do think the mother needs to re evaluate her actions if she can. That is why I think therapy is helpful in the grieving process. It teaches you about yourself, learning about support, love and forgiveness when you are in a dark place being consumed. No one should have to live with such hatred and unforgiving. Yes, what happen to her son, no matter who’s at fault, is terrible. But loving and forgiving is much more noble than letting the hatred and darkness consume ones life. Yes, there should be justice but sometimes that is not humanly possible but forgiveness is possible. Can she forgive? Can she help this community heal? Can she honor her son in such a way to bring about something positive? Or is she going to choose the low road? I don’t know but I would hope that she would seek mental heath support for starters.
I hope justice is served . Ms. Lawson . You deserve peace . You are brave !!!!
Unfortunately Humboldt is not about racism . Please stop using that .
We care , but don’t trust the people of your sons friends that are closest to you . They are the ones hiding something while looking at you right in your face . Someone needs to grow a pair of balls and tell this mother what happened to her son . As we all would do .
I care that Ms. Lawson finds something out of this because that is who we as a Humboldt community are .
Keep your mean thoughts to yourself, or put yourself in her shoes .
I have put myself in her shoes, I wouldn’t drag an entire community while I process my son being murdered while he violently assaulted someone. I would find something meaningful and logical to do with my time and I would process my grief through therapy and not attacking an entire 80 mile community. I’m also the kind of person that’s mature enough to understand when a person causes their own death. And I’m saying that from firsthand experience from losing my mother from her own choices when she was only 31. If I can get over being orphaned by my mother making poor choices without attacking an entire community or any other people then I’m sure Charmaine Can too.
Deciding how others should grieve is something I’ve always considered dangerous. People grieve differently. You don’t have to agree with her but deciding for her how she should deal with her pain is …troubling.
Kim? Troubling that she seek professional help in processing her grief? Is that what you mean? Yes, I have seen how people process their grief in very troubling and harmful ways not to just themselves but to others around them. It’s not pretty. Just look at most of the addicts we have — many are self medicating to escape their problems. I am surprised that you would think that letting someone go down the pipes/ not reaching out for help with mental issues as a better solution than receiving help.
I am pretty dang sure that a grieving mother seeking justice for her son’s death is not that extraordinary. And no, if I see someone drink to deal with grief or overeat or fail to get enough sleep for a year or two, unless it is impeding their ability to deal with the basics in life, I’d ignore it unless I was very very close to them as I don’t tend to jump into others’ lives.
Ok, I get where you are coming from but with that same, people close to you either let you flounder ‘because they love you’ or if they do speak out it is often ignored. Sometimes a stranger’s comment has a more lasting effect because it the brain can still think, there is that ‘why did they say that’ and if there is an ounce of self reflection, sometimes that is the chink in the armour that lets the light in. I understand you don’t agree but intervention from strangers in a loving way is often more positive that the family and friends bitch fest or hands off policy.
Sometimes you are right but I’ll tell you…in my life…the times a stranger pointing out to me that I was chunky, needed to wear clothes that matched, or some other such statement can be counted as actually causing me to positively reevaluate my life choices are not very high but days ruined but having the shine taken off my smile when I was younger…well, that would be a much larger unhappier number. And when folks get more personal and start telling me whether the man I was going to marry was good enough or the choice to have another kid was the right one…well, they’ve succeeded exactly NONE times.
It isn’t an effective way to change people but it does make them unhappy, frustrated, and defensive.
Like telling people they’re racists? Or by giving constant voice to the victims of the world? Who doesn’t take negative things personally? Maybe the point is that we should toughen ourselves up by controlling how we respond to negative things rather than trying to reform everyone else into not offending us simply because that is the only one we can decently have any control over.
But Ms. Kemp, your audience, including me, are largely idiots. At some point it should stop. Fox “news” inflames and serves no purpose other than discord. But anyway, thanks for the opportunity to post.
How about any news source as a propaganda tool… look at most news stations and stop with the bias Fox News machine. They all have agendas to sway/ incite/make money; its the nature of the beast.
Wow! this community is really becoming heartless, based on some of the comments. This sad affair should not be about race, but about everyone’s quality of life, and a reasonable expectation to be able to go out to a college party or take a wheelchair down a sidewalk or a walk on the boardwalk without the fear of not returning home. My friend was run over in a wheel chair by a distracted driver on a sidewalk on Broadway, nearly two years ago, by an uninsured woman driving on a revoked license. She was never drug or alcohol tested, and allowed to leave the scene of the accident. It took the vigilance of family and friends more than a year to get the case prosecuted, and as a result the woman got a blemish on her record and got 200 hours of community service. The laws and prosecution of crimes have become a joke, which is leading to total abandon of accountability. The image and reality of our area has deteriorated to the point where it will soon become irreversible for decades. More power to Ms. Lawson to fight for justice for her son, and trying to bring some law and order to this community in Josiah’s memory. This is NOT about Black lives matter, it is about justice and sending a message that all LIVES MATTER!
Same ole line… You hear this in every city across the US… White people are always to blame when someone black is killed. It’s sad he died so young, but if he was white this mess would have been forgotten 6 months after regardless if the killer was found or not. I guess since they’re black it’s OK in their reality to blame everyone that’s non black.
@ Kym
Curious about this article from you and why it isn’t on the “previous/related articles” scroll.
https://kymkemp.com/2019/03/29/das-office-responds-to-letter-from-mother-of-slain-hsu-student/
I posted tons of witness testimony and answered many peoples comments on that one.
And everyones testimony matters? B people lie, get over it, on the stand or not, you acting like chiv, just repeating what your ears here don’t make it the truth!!!
By “B” I’m assuming your saying Black people lie.
I hope Kym leaves that.
I can always prove your trash with a link to that comment.
Black people do lie. So do white people.
Push me with any more of that racist crap and I will ban you.
Ms. Kemp, with all respect, a lot of racist crap gets a pass on this blog, and Chairokee is one of the biggest offenders on your blog. I don’t particularly if you ban me for saying so, either. I don’t tune into your blog very often because of the cesspool of racism in your comments section, which you do little or nothing to moderate. And the racist trolling of a grieving mother is the worst of all. Just saying.
I don’t ban people for not liking me, hun.
Post all the witness testimony you want, it doesn’t amount to a pile of dog turds if the courts decided it was insufficient to act on.
Your ability to not understand what links are is amazing.
2019 and you havnt posted 1 link.
I dont need to post anymore testimony.
I’ll just link to your lost arguements of past. Remember when you believed the DA walking back the “irrefutable eveidence” statement.
Then I came along.
The DA never claimed “irrefutable evidence” to begin with. The DA wanted review of that claim (maybe formulated slightly differently but no matter) from the State DOJ, then a grand jury before proceeding. It was a politically courageous stance and I applaud her for it. You came along and never proved diddly squat, so stop patting yourself on the back.
Pst. The interim Arcata Police Chief said it.
The DA walked it back saying he was misquoted.
I emailed the reporter, and he sticks to the reporting, noting the inconsistency of the claim by the DA.
https://kymkemp.com/2019/03/29/das-office-responds-to-letter-from-mother-of-slain-hsu-student/#comment-799293
(I can give you a lesson on links if you want)
The Real Brian- Here’s a link, bro. You might not have read this? And where do you think this leaves this situation in regards to honesty and DA Fleming? https://www.northcoastjournal.com/humboldt/my-conversation-with-richard-ehle/Content?oid=13669530
I had not seen that Farce, big thanks.
I was quietly hoping a story would be written regarding the DA walking back the statements.
It seems the DA is making the situation worse, which was bad anyways because of the APD.
I cant imagine the mothers frustrations.
You were hoping to see a story about the DA walking back the “unequivocal physical evidence” quote to the point that you mis-attributed the quote to her. It was pretty clear when APD forwarded the case to her that she was not as sanguine about the quality of the case as APD was portrayed as being, hence, her forwarding the case to the state DOJ for expert review and use of a grand jury for the charging decision. You can’t “walk back” a statement that you never agreed with in the first place. For all the digital ink that has been spilled over the three word fragmentary quote, we still do not know its full context that would give it meaning.
The effort to sling mud at the DA over the result of the case will go nowhere. The DA cannot be blamed for not making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. The petition to have the DOJ take charge of the case is silly and redundant, since the DA has already requested that the DOJ take the lead on the case. It would make more sense for the petition signers to write letters of support for the DA’s request, but that would not fit the objective of throwing mud at the DA. The objective of the petition seems more political than substantive.
How you get there from here: is there physical evidence now? What reporter heard: Yes. Does it link Zoellner to the murder? What the report heard: Yes. Does that mean it proves Zoellner guilty? What the reporter heard: Yes but what the DA said was No. And thus “misinformation” is born- Does Greenson think that Ehle said there was physical proof that Zoellner was guilty? Not exactly but it is hard not to think that from reading the article, especially when he goes on to point out that people are claiming the DA is incompetent. When these things are strung in a line, it implies a connection while not actually saying so. The DA on the other hand thinks that Greenson’s article interferes with the prosecution.
Does that qualify as a misquote as the DA said? Well it qualifies as much as saying that the string of quotes proves guilt. It’s all conjuring. It’s hard to imagine that the reporter failed to ask whether this evidence is enough to establish guilt but the absence of that most expected question is hard to explain. All this speculation and interpreting of hints is not going to convict anyone in a trial but it just may convince someone who has real information from risking giving it as not necessary.
Sorry, I just forgot to update the list this last time. I’ve added it now.
Thanks.
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Ms. Kemp, here’s the perfect example of the racist trolling that you allow on your blog – the disgusting baiting of a grieving mother by the racist troll/coward ‘Chairokee’. Go ahead and ban me. I really don’t care to see this shit anymore.
Arcata should put up a statue of a soapbox.
Sydney’s got one.
That’s just ridiculous… it needs to be wheelchair accessible with appropriate guard rails.
ROTFL! Thanks for the laugh!
Omg real brian this is a news blog and u act like its a court of law. You need to chill. Shoit maybe u know who did it……
No o feel terrible about a young mans death i am not willing to see someone convicted unless they are guilty. his friends know what happened and kyle didnt do it
Reasonable questions below, work it out with me
Kyle was arrested on April 15th.
On the 18th the APD received the anonymous letter that described “sensitive details” of David’s murder.
The DA can not use the letter in court because it is anonymous.
The APD pleaded for the writer to step forward:
https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/apr/18/arcata-police-receives-anonymous-email-detailing-s/
The APD kept Kyle in custody until May 5th, when the charges were dismissed in the pretrial hearing.
Question 1# :
If the APD determined that Kyle was worth holding – is not safe to assume the anonymous letter names Kyle as the murderer?
Question 2#
If the letter contained “sensitive details”of the murder, but named someone other than Kyle, do we think that they would still go through the work of a pre-lim charging Kyle?
Question 3#
If the letter names Kyle, but it’s a false accusation, than whoever wrote the letter likely saw/did what happened and is conspiring against Kyle. Is that a fair assumption?
Dang, I didn’t mean to bold the whole paragraph on Question 3#, and I’ve missed my opportunity to edit it.
Anyhow. I would greatly appreciate feedback on those questions.
“Today, 4/18, the APD received an anonymous email from someone who may have witnessed the homicide. The email detailed specifics of the assault. The APD implores the author of the email to come forward and provide a statement to investigators. An anonymous email cannot be used as evidence.” From your link.
“…may have witnessed. ..” you’re spinning questions off a whole lot of speculation.
“The email detailed specifics of the assault”
I misquoted it as saying “sensitive details”, but “detailed specifics” is quite similar.
So Ullr, my #1 question was “is it safe to assume”. I take it your answer is no.
I was hoping for a little more detailed thought but thanks for your answer. I do appreciate it.
*”May have witnessed” – infers that this writer may have witnessed the assault. If the writer wrote “detailed specifics” about the assault but didn’t witness it, than a conclusion may be that a witness may have told the writer what happened.
But I think the key words for me in the Press Release are “detailed specifics”, all the while going ahead with holding and charging Kyle.
We have no idea if the email was a fabrication or an eyewitness account. Even if we had a copy of the email to read the speculation is moot because there is no way to know if there is any truth to it… hence why it is not admissible evidence.
Do you think the APD would ask so loudly for the writer to come forward if it was not likely credible writing that matched unreleased information in the case?
Again, a lot of speculation. Obviously the email was compelling, but that doesn’t make it true.
Fair enough.
As for your question #1: Kyle was held on murder 2 charges. He couldn’t afford bail and it was the only suspect they had. The fact that they held him until the a judge could assess the evidence is not compelling. The fact that the judge released him because of lack of evidence is compelling.
Again, the rest is a whole lot of speculation.
I dont find the fact that Zoellner was released compelling.
He was released because the preliminary trial was rushed.
The judge at the pre-lim was being very appropriate for what was in front of him. He was slightly dismayed at why it was held so quickly; before the coroner report, DNA and fingerprints data, etc.
Maybe what is compelling in that to me is; why was it rushed by the APD or DA?
I’ve been telling everyone who would listen, since the preliminary ended, that the DA ONLY brought charges against Kyle because APD said there was an eyewitness. Maggie Fleming confirmed that info recently (sorry, no links). That “evidence” was proved incorrect in court, explained by the officer who wrote the report as “a regrettable error”.
Regarding the rush by APD or DA, after Kyle (in custody) refused to waive his right to a speedy trial, the DA had two choices:
Investigate the crime and prepare their case very quickly, or release Kyle until they had their ducks in a row.
The DA should have temporarily dropped the charges. It’s not like Kyle was/is a flight risk.
Bungled by everyone involved.
Regarding the anon letter, I don’t think the DA would drop everything, regardless of the content, until they could establish some validity, so I didn’t read anything into that.
p.s. I think the girl getting stabbed in the arm is def worth following up on.
All I can find about Ren being stabbed is a public letter by the Uncle of Kyle Zoellner asking the APD to comment on the rumor.
He says some media reports had started to say this, and he wanted clarification.
There may have been some confusion on the scanner over exactly what police were responding to. That’s what it looks like to me.
https://kymkemp.com/2017/05/10/letter-to-the-community-of-arcata-from-kyle-zoellners-uncle/
There seems to be no evidence she was stabbed.
She did testify about bite Mark’s on her breast that were bleeding, likely from her fighting with Lila.
Maybe Kym knows, but it seems Ren being stabbed is rumor right now.
Dokweiler said Zoellner told him he was punched and knocked to the ground, and after that the next thing he remembers clearly is being led to a police car.
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Wright’s testimony dramatically contradicts statements from Zoellner’s girlfriend and two of her friends. According to them, Zoellner had been brutally beaten by a group of black men and was unconscious when Lawson was stabbed.
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Zoellner told Dokweiler he remembers seeing two men on the front porch who appeared to be leaving the party. They became angry when asked about the phone. Then a third man came out and immediately punched him and knocked him against a car or onto the ground. He didn’t seem clear on that. But he said he didn’t remember much of anything after that attack.
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According to Ortega and two of her friends, Zoellner was unconscious from the time he was beaten after asking about the missing cellphone.
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The above is taken from different LOCO reports of the preliminary trial.
The Uncle of Kyle Zoellner wrote this before the trial:
-Kyle’s girlfriend could not find her phone.
-When individuals were asked by Kyle if they had seen Kyle’s girlfriend’s cellphone, Kyle’s girlfriend was struck in the face by one of the men (she still has a black eye)
-Then an altercation ensued between Kyle and one of the men at the party (this individual was not Josiah)
–Kyle got him into a hold until he finally released him.
-His car keys and cell phone came out of his sweatshirt while he had been wrestling on the ground and as he was looking for them, he was attacked by multiple individuals that began punching and kicking him. Kyle never got off the ground
https://kymkemp.com/2017/04/27/family-of-arcata-stabbing-suspect-claims-the-real-killer-has-not-been-caught-includes-timeline-of-events-as-presented-in-public-statements-by-those-at-the-party/
Notice there is more detail to what Kyle remembers and did before “not remembering”.
Assuming Kyle was unconscious:
The 3 options left I see, and please add otherwise, would be:
1)One or more of David’s “friends” have conspired in a targeted attack against the then President of Brothers United – at a Brothers United party.
2)Someone blinded by the bear mace was swinging wildly (at girls, Kyle’s sleeping) with a knife and accidentally killed David, placing David next to the girl fight.
3)One of Kyle’s girlfriends killed David. However Ren (David’s girlfriend) was in a fight with 2 of the girls when David was stabbed – according to her testimony.
Regarding #2, wouldn’t one of the girls in Kyle’s party (at least) have testified to something like that?
This likely didnt happen.
It also would be hard to imagine someone so blinded by mace who couldn’t identify David from Kyle being able to go grab a kitchen knife from inside the house,anyway.
Regarding #3
If it was one of Kyle’s girlfriends, why would Paris Wright testify he saw David wrestling Kyle, assuming Kyle was unconscious at this time?
Regarding #1
Without going into how some conflicting testimonies can be resolved and or questioned;
I’m skeptical of #1 because if a group are conspiring by murdering David and offering false testimonies than they did 99 out of 100 steps.
All someone(s) needed to do was say “I saw him with the knife”.
Instead we saw statements like “he (Kyle) was not aggressive at all, really”.
And Paris who “did not see a knife”.
And more.
Why leave the case open if they had gone so far?
Attention spans seem to last 200 comments or so.
The unfortunate side to blogs: if it’s not on the front page, readers dont care.