City of Arcata Moves Forward with McKinley Statue Removal
McKinley Statue dressed up on the Plaza at the North Country Fair, 2018. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
Chris Peters, representative of the Seventh Generation Fund For Indigenous Peoples, spoke on the Plaza by the McKinley Statue on February 21, 2018. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
There had been several efforts by past city councils, mostly initiated by council member Paul Pitino, a Humboldt County Green Party member repeatedly elected to the Arcata City Council. Pitino again motioned for the statue’s removal in February of 2018, supported by three of his four colleagues. The lone dissenting councilman then spearheaded an effort to halt the removal, which ultimately proved unpopular.
With all the debate surrounding removal of nation monuments accords the nation, our local statue removal briefly caught the attention of Fox News and even the outspoken right-wing nationalist, Richard Spencer.
FOX Tucker Carlson interviews Arcata City Councilmember, Paul Pitino. When asked by Carlson, “Why this presidential statue,” Arcata’s city council representative, Paul Patino, replied, “Because it’s the only one we’ve got.” [About minute 1]
Local news groups, political factions, and grassroots activists all got involved in the extended debate, which would ultimately be decided by the voters of the City of Arcata, last November, with 67% upholding the city council’s 2018 vote to have McKinley taken down.
Following that 2018 vote in favor of the removal, the effort to “Save The McKinley Statue” resulted in a ballot measure proposed to the residents of Arcata that aimed to forever preserve the ‘historical monument’ William McKinley bronze statue. This petition, promoted by dissenting city council member Michael Winkler, garnered more than enough signatures to qualify for the November 2018 ballot in plenty of time, to the surprise of virtually nobody acquainted with the topic. Both sides of the issue seemed to gain support in the weeks ahead of the election, last November. People who wanted the statue to stay talked about picnics and history while others who expressed trauma at the sight of the bronze mass decried the horrors of colonization and vowed to see the effigy removed.
The ‘Remove McKinley campaign’ went into full swing, calling into action all supporting local businesses, political groups, and allied activist groups across the county, creating a community education effort and a simultaneous ‘get out the vote’ effort to counteract the grassroots petition vying for the opposite goal.
A hopeful Arcata resident addressed the Planning Commission Tuesday night, after a year of back and forth debates, meetings, and votes. Watch what she has to say in this video from Tuesday’s meeting.
Many of the community members who spoke emphasized that the City of Arcata is situated on land known as traditional ancestral Wiyot territory. This point was a fact that underscored the past year’s controversy, due to what many believe is President William McKinley’s history related to genocide of native populations in the pursuit of Manifest Destiny and expansion into yet uncolonized areas.
The complete recommendation by the Arcata Planning Commission, an impressive 695 pages, includes the final Environmental Impact Report (EIR) approved and amended, which explains in detail the process that the city has been through to get this point, including historical information and explanations for findings.
It reads in part, quote:
The City Council finds that all feasible mitigation measures identified in the Final EIR within the purview of the City will be implemented with the project, and that the remaining significant unavoidable effects are outweighed and are found to be acceptable due to the following specific overriding economic, legal, social, technological, or other benefits based upon the facts set forth above, the Final EIR, and the record, as follows:
(1) The project would provide a design for the Plaza that is inclusive and welcoming to people of all race, ethnicity, national heritage, background, and orientation.
(2) The project would acknowledge the changing and contemporary values of Arcata’s citizens by removing a symbol of a controversial period in America’s history, namely the western expansionist period of the late 19th Century. This period is further associated with the poor treatment of the indigenous peoples whose lands were the focus of the expansionist policies of the US government at the time.
(3) The project would honor the Wiyot Tribe and all indigenous people.
Following a short public comment period, the Arcata planning commission voted unanimously to approve the recommendations to the Arcata City Council for the final decision as to the fate of the President McKinley statue.
Watch the unanimous vote of the Arcata City planning Commission vote in support of the resolution taken on Tuesday, February 12, 2019.
The Arcata City Council meets to decide the fate of the William McKinley bronze likeness on February 20th for this milestone vote, which will likely remove a landmark that has stood in northern Humboldt County for over one hundred years.
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Are they going to replace it with a joint (BONG) smoking salmon peddling a text book shape kinetic sculpture?
🕯A Giant bong.😱👀👍🏾
haha, I’ll edit! Good one.
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Golden!
~second that. Ulp, no. Third.
Even though marijuana is legal in California you can no longer smoke it in bongs in Humboldt County according to the city council you got it shove it up their ass along with their taxes they could fit a lot up there they’ve been training for a while along with their douchebag California Water Board and their toilet plunger code enforcement and the hemorrhoids Fish and Wildlife epidemic disease abatement infestation you thought russet mites were bad these assholes well fuk you up destroy everything and make you pay for it
bitter!
I kept that one tone down a little bit family friendly they are making a mess
Have that news a little bit wrong it is the Humboldt County Board of Supervisors I think most local people know who I meant
Rex bones
Estelle Fennell
Mike Wilson
Virginia bass
Steve madrone
He should be replaced with a statue of Alexander Von Humboldt, the person the county and the college are named after.
Great idea, but statues are very unfashionable at the moment. I’m sure since he was alive during a time when someone was being oppressed, he would offend someone.
Nice..
Will President McKinley still be prominently featured on the Arcata city seal?
Arcata city seal:
Plaza has gone through soooo many makeovers. They killed the stairs because they didn’t like to see hippies gathered there. Then they added a fence around McKinley because people decorated him. This will be interesting. Arcata changes with every new generation. What next, eh?
~we’re not talkin bout seals today, stars.
Some of the peeps cannot comprehend the difference between the Supreme Law of the Land jurisdiction, and the fictional sea of Commerce.
Either you know you’re on the land -Kansas.
Or you’re in the wonderful ”color of the law” -Oz.
Just need some spray paint to fix him up some yellow hair orange face red tie most criminals look the same Big Rich white boys whoops I might be getting kind of prejudice now or maybe reality starting to set in
William McKinley was the 25th President of the United States, serving from March 4, 1897, until his assassination on September 14, 1901, after leading the nation to victory in the Spanish-American War and raising protective tariffs to promote American industry.
Statue man bad?
There is no victory in war of any kind. He was a war-mongering manifest destiny son of a B. Our country is changing and no longer is this type of symbolism tolerated.
Says the conquered just before they are replaced by those who don’t care what others think.
~i like.
“Political Language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.” –George Orwell
Thou shalt not be a victim. Thou shalt not be a perpetrator. Above all, thou shalt not be a bystander. (Holocaust Museum, Washington D.C.)
Spankie: that’s a very white washed one-sided narrative. Maybe if you went to the meetings and listened to the facts of this history, you’d be better educated on true history.
True history- my “citizen of the world” is better than your “citizen of the world.” Your “nativist” is a brutal racist while my “nativist” was open to different races bringing their culture… to overwhelm… wait a minute! That doesn’t work out quite as satisfactorily as was intended.
spankie,
“Statute man bad”?
Public Private Partnerships are bad.
Corporations are bad.
Vax-a-nations are bad.
Geoengineering the weather is bad.
Warmongers are bad.
Order Followers are bad.
Holocaust/Genocide/destroy nature, manipulate nature is bad.
Etc. . .
The above are facts based on truths. After three or four random gatherings of people, Mark Passio concluded that 66% of the group would reject the above because of subjective programmed thought process.
Remove, please.
Let’s keep trying to erase history on the path to destroying our country with socialism so we can have the same chaos and poverty as they enjoy in Venezuela. Good job liberal idoits!!!
you’re hilarious… democracy rules. This is not erasing history, it’s called removing a statue.
Why?
Just a reminder, we’re a Republic based on democratic principles.
Not exactly, I took 2 years of Cobstitutional Law… fact is, it was voted on more than once, be in denial or not, that ugly statue is leaving b/c of democracy. The bitterness & psychotic behavior expressed on this website is insane.
Psychotic behavior is insane?
That’s cool, but most of the scholars who’ve graduated have a collective complaints that Constitutional Law classes don’t bother to teach the Constitution, but instead teach ways around it. Just FYI, that most of the people aren’t impressed with CL graduates.
Correct enough.
I’ve heard it said (by scholars) that we’re a Constitutional (representative) Republic that uses the Democratic ballot for voting on only those issues that fall under the Constitutional realm. All other issues are to be scrubbed off the ballot for not being constitutional.
~major ones (COMMERCIAL MM Land Ordinance), don’t even make the ballot. Or, they make the ballot after selling it to the public as Safety in Humboldt (specifically SoHum), and ballot it as two titles, by adding – “And Other Essential Necessities”. WHAT A ROOK! A million-a-month-ROOK.
What are the “other essential necessities”? Donating to the dnc like PP and other tax payer funded orgs like PP does? I hope not!
Actually, Guest, there is what seems a genuine effort to erase history, and the removal of statues goes along with that agenda. People are simply going to have to study history themselves, as it gets obliterated, Orwellian fashion. Was McKinley actually as bad as he is portrayed in the above write-up? Like many notable historical figures, he was likely some mixture of rapacious bastard and pretty good guy. Here was what I found, doing a precursory check on Google:
William McKinley, the 25th president of the United States, was born in Niles, Ohio on January 29, 1843. He enlisted as a private during the Civil War and distinguished himself in action earning the rank of major in 1865. He served in Congress from 1876 to 1890 and became a strong supporter of protective tariffs. President William McKinley asks Congress to declare war on Spain on this day in 1898. In 1895, Cuba, located less than 100 miles south of the United States, attempted to overthrow Spanish colonial rule. William McKinley was the 25th President of the United States, serving from March 4, 1897, until his assassination on September 14, 1901, after leading the nation to victory in the Spanish-American War and raising protective tariffs to promote American industry.
Let’s see: served in the War Between the States on the Union side; helped the Cubans overthrow Spanish colonial rule; promoted American industry with protective tariffs.
Another thing, Guest, you say democracy rules. Democracy is mob rule.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!’ Benjamin Franklin
Finally Spain is protesting the “socialist” communist govt too.
Many threads on it, but this is a short and sweet gif like clip.
https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1094934302490537985
The Kingdom of Spain is a constitutional monarchy. Their government is minority socialist party.
~so many adjectives describing different types of politics. By adding adjectives, you aren’t making it more expressive, you’re just diminishing its status.
Ideologies, socialism, fascism, democracy, etc., are all tools to move wealth and masses of people. Understanding the creation of money is the top factor in comprehending the control mechanisms which our civilizations are structured around. All of the big ideologies of the 20th century were funded by the same banks. We traded what worked, for what sounded good.
It’s not about the “isms”.
It’s Complete Corporate Commercial Control – Agenda 21, or 50, or what? As has been said, the lunatics are running the asylum.
Free Trade
Stops Wars
tomatoes tomahtahs.
Even monarchys use their preferred ‘ism’ like CH was saying.
Facts don’t matter for shaks.
The regressive sjws are def arguing for an irrational interpretation of historical figures. Reinterpretation (even if its really stupid) is not erasure.
“The only news there is, is the history you don’t know.” –Harry S. Truman
war war war – why do stupid Americans idolize war? Oh yeah, if we weren’t fighting in a few wars every year, our economy would take a dump. I would rather live in a depression than a war economy (although I would probably regret saying this if it really did happen – it would not be a pleasant experience), and I hate being complicit to US imperialism and war. F-U to all the American warmongers who love the imperialistic war machine.
Maybe go back to 5th grade history class and read a book about why humans and different tribes war with each other.
~why do we have wars?
Because we are ruled by an elite group of psychopaths who own the banks that control the governments and media. They fund both sides of war for profit and they manufacture the consent of the public through the propaganda of the media.
Why is war so idolized? Because it works. Nothing has happened in the last few years to change human genetics except that a generation of fools has reached maturity with the delusion that it has. The US,Canada and Europe has raised a generation who think they are different when all they are is a bunch of deluded Neville Chamberlains. Which due to their determined rewriting of history, they are unlikely to realize.
Those who win wars fill the earth while those who lose them try to adapt and mix their genes with the winners. It’s not glorious or noble. It’s just reality.
The removal of the statue will be part of history. No ones burning history books.
~a little ditty for Valentine’s Day.
Shotgun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_B3qkp4nO4 George Ezra 3:23
~check out this fireworks display.
PHOENIX FIVE EARTH CHANGES BULLETIN
February 14, 2019, by MW Mandeville (Black Canyon City, Arizona)
Japan is re-inventing fireworks. – spherical displays. planets. perfected hearts. purrfect timings.
https://www.earthchanges-bulletin.com/bulletins/2019/VIDEO-2018-11-14-12-11-02.mp4 1:46
WOW awesome you come up with some pretty cool things Central Humco thanks
~u b welcome Joe.
That was spectacular.
That was incredible.
I got this comment: Magnetic Polar Shift! People need to move south.
Or just wait and maybe the South pole will come to them.
DELLIB,
~i’m thinking move South before a wall prevents us from exiting (?) Before we get vaporized and Rothchild a/k/a PG&E labeled “Ignited Wildfire”.
Did you just say that Jews are the people you see as responsible for these conspiracies you always talk about?
I don’t necessarily distinguish a jew or a mexican . . . now, the originies, feels like home when i’ve been within their ‘sphere of influence’ (no ‘city’ pun intended).
~it’s not about the “isms”.
Hell, it’s Not even about us. Logic before authority is in the Natural Law.
The doctrine that ‘human rights’ are superior to ‘property rights’ simply means that some human beings have the right to make property out of others.’ Any Rand, Atlas Shrugged.
Without private property rights no other rights are possible. Who will protect your land if not you? My land -me?
Serve the Trinity without name:
love, light and life.
Interesting theory! The wall is really to keep americans in so they can be microwaved in an energy pulse! I would disconnect the grounding rod by your breaker panel…
~idk about that. I just don’t. There is however a Youtube where a gal, w/a radiation meter, gets a copper tube and puts it in the ground by the “Smart” “Green” “Sustainable” meter -that costs the large majority of us lots more on the elec. statement- and copper wire she wraps around the same smart meter, then runs the wire rto the copper tube in the ground.
She shows the meter registering both before and after, as well as inside her garage on the wall the meter is on the outside. She was able to neutralize the radiation.
Lightning comes from the ground up..we are living on top of a huge natural energy source…all it needs is the right trigger.
Smart meters and hazardous RF radiation is a completely different topic, and you can buy “smartmeter” covers to block the dangerous RF emitted into your house.
~umm, pretty sure a lightening strike comes down first. Not up.
Doesn’t buying a cover to cover created fraud, resulting in the inevitable harm, seem wrong?
$$$ $$$ $$$
What we see is a return stroke. Ground to cloud. Unless it’s cloud to cloud…
From NOAA:
“Does lightning strike from the sky down, or the ground up?
The answer is both. Cloud-to-ground lightning comes from the sky down, but the part you see comes from the ground up. A typical cloud-to-ground flash lowers a path of negative electricity (that we cannot see) towards the ground in a series of spurts. Objects on the ground generally have a positive charge. Since opposites attract, an upward streamer is sent out from the object about to be struck. When these two paths meet, a return stroke zips back up to the sky. It is the return stroke that produces the visible flash, but it all happens so fast – in about one-millionth of a second – so the human eye doesn’t see the actual formation of the stroke.”
DELLIB and Ullr Rover,
” I would disconnect the grounding rod by your breaker panel…”
~this guy explains w/photos exactly what you’re both saying:
BREAKING: Paradise House Fires Method Disclosed. Fire From Below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cheHC8X-2zM 28:26
Tyranny of the majority, which is exactly what the founders fought against, avoided with the constitution, etc. This is supposed to be a constitutional republic, not a tyrannical, leftwing “democracy.” Arcata is still part of the U.S., and if they wish to secede, would be everything detested by your favorite manic depressive president, Lincoln. Tearing down monuments is something the Taliban and ISIS do. Arcata Marxists – like the lunatic city council- are the new ISIS.
Mob rule nowadays in Arcata.
Tyranny? No one is being enslaved here. The kings isn’t trying to fuck your wife. An ugly statue is being removed, yes for silly reasons, but your overreacting.
As for the tired old republic vs democracy troupe.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/?utm_term=.2529ef25d1ad
Representative democracy on paper but it’s still an oligarchy. The government was started in secret by traitorous aristocrats at the time who didn’t want to pay taxes to the King and fancy themselves as being the sovereign for the masses. So what did they do? They gave rights only to white landholding men, everybody else had no representation, if you are black you were a slave, and if you were Native American you were slated for genocide for land theft. Things haven’t really changed much in that time it’s still landowners in control who are the only ones represented in our system as an oligarchy from the local level all the way up to the neoliberals at the state and national government levels. Oh you get a vote so you have a say, but it’s kind of like security theater at the airport, it’s all illusion. The only ones that are represented in this country and have any justice are the ones who can afford it; the rest of us are along for the ride and get the pay the oligarchy to move forward agenda that isn’t in the best interest of the people.
“I do not say that democracy has been more pernicious on the whole, and in the long run, than monarchy or aristocracy. Democracy has never been and never can be so durable as aristocracy or monarchy; but while it lasts, it is more bloody than either. … Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. It is in vain to say that democracy is less vain, less proud, less selfish, less ambitious, or less avaricious than aristocracy or monarchy. It is not true, in fact, and nowhere appears in history. Those passions are the same in all men, under all forms of simple government, and when unchecked, produce the same effects of fraud, violence, and cruelty. When clear prospects are opened before vanity, pride, avarice, or ambition, for their easy gratification, it is hard for the most considerate philosophers and the most conscientious moralists to resist the temptation. Individuals have conquered themselves. Nations and large bodies of men, never.”
― John Adams, The Letters of John and Abigail Adams
And there are many more insights by the Founding Fathers on why we are not a “Democracy “… we use a democratic method to acheive a representative Constitutional Republic; a “Democracy” is the tyranny of the majority.
“When democracy trumps liberty, the seeds of tyranny are sewn.” Jefferson
“We are all Federalists and we are all Republicans.” Jefferson
“The dead should not rule the living.” Jefferson
I’ve long taken this last quote as referencing the dead corpse-orations.
“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.”
― Alexander Fraser Tytler
The Rise and Fall of Great Civilizations
From bondage to spiritual faith,
From spiritual faith to great courage,
From courage to liberty,
From liberty to abundance,
From abundance to selfishness,
From selfishness to complacency,
From complacency to apathy,
From apathy to dependency,
From dependency back again to bondage.”
http://www.corson.org/archives/sociological/s27_090109.htm
So many times I am reminded of the genius of the founding fathers. While such imperfect people themselves, they struggled to create,through discourse and compromise. a government that was capable of offering improvement to its citizens. They worked hard and we all derive benefit from their efforts. Too bad, that like many things, their successes lead to fools thinking this is the natural order and they can dump their history without paying the price.
Yes, yes, yes!
A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/thomas_jefferson
Everyone knows it will be replaced by a memorial for David Josiah Lawson with a B.L.M. plaque.
Eh ? McKinley was a staunch opponent of slavery.
He had a distinguished career on the Union side in the Civil War.
This is gonna be a BLM versus ‘Indigenous’ war !!!!
“William McKinley from the free state of Ohio was the last Civil War veteran to be elected President. McKinley served as a Major in the 23rd Ohio Regiment. He was raised as a Methodist and an abolitionist by his mother in Poland, Ohio and was sympathetic to African Americans who struggled under the “Jim Crow” laws throughout the nation while he was President. In breaking precedent, he named numerous African Americans to appointed offices. For example, Walter L. Cohen of New Orleans, who was a leader of the “Black and Tan Republican” faction, was appointed as a customs inspector. (Later Republican Presidents Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge gave Cohen even greater authority in the important customhouse in New Orleans.) McKinley also appointed George B. Jackson, a former Virginia slave and a businessman in San Angelo, Texas, to the post of customs collector in Presidio, Texas, on the Mexican border.”
But that wasn’t good enough for many critics.
https://potus-geeks.livejournal.com/123515.html
“McKinley was a staunch opponent of slavery.”
~you guys crack me up . . .
‘None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free’
—Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe —
That is misinterpreting the the phrase. The point is that falsely believing anything protests the delusion. It’s just a version of the old aphorism that no one is so blind as those who will not see. Those who question everything, including what they think themselves, are the only ones even approaching freedom.
Haha… it’s so entertaining seeing white supremacist throw a hissy fit & act psychotic when they lose. Refill those psych med’s crazies.
Soooooo glad we left the shithole that Humboldt has become, anytime a bunch college students/ non local idiots can demand something be removed because they are offended by history, it’s a sorry state of affairs. You reap what you sow.
I hear Kansas is booming this time of year.
We need a toilet for the tourists (sic)!
we need a cage for the locals (see sexual assault article). Eureka is the breeding ground for our entire local problem, socially and economically. it proves itself over and over. facts are better and more useful.
Yet here you are, seeking to inhabit the very place you so despise.
I think only a very small portion of them are white supremacist. Maybe next to none of them. If you actually read their arguments, they have nothing to do with white supremacy.
its not White supremacy to dislike hippies and the stupid hippyish things they do. how is disliking white liberals in Arcata a example of white supremacy? If anything it’s more about hating people with man buns.
You don’t need a weather man…
And consequently sucks too.
Waste of resources leave history alone i’m tired of people trying to change history because they don’t like it it is what it is
So thankful I left Arcata behind back in 1994 and thankful to be soon leaving Humboldt behind. What an embarrassment.
Don’t let the door hitya where the lord split ya
Nice job Paul Pitino! Standing up to that asinine ‘reporter’! I’m so glad that statue is coming down. In the center of our town we should have something that represents us, not a warmongering president.
Like a golden Pitbull statue?
Paul has some Pit in his name…
Unhappily, that’s a very realistic view point from a place whose livelihood almost exclusively comes from taxes paid by people in other places. In a paradox of biology, parasitism makes you free.
So, if you’re not a Native American and you live here and you agree with the statue being removed because of McKinley’s expansionist policies, surely there’s only one decent thing for you to do to walk your talk, and that’s move away – as in, leave – and return the stolen lands to their original owners. Surely you can see the righteousness in this. Oh, what’s that you say?
Great comment!
You ppl are crazy. It’s hilarious.
~i’ve read differing perspectives on what the originies thought –
One was, when asked what they called Earth -or land? The reply was “Ours”. In an owner-ship manner? I’d say, not.
The other is, and seems more pheasable, since to my understanding they were nomadic, in that they moved with the seasons and hunting grounds, herbs, etc., was that no one owns the Earth. Natural Law.
Who’d you steal it from first? Worse yet, who’d you lose it to next?
As long as we take the white man’s computer, internet, cars, universities, writing,weapons, etc with us when we go, at least the silence would be welcome until the next invasion loses the place again.
The DOI and Constitution assured that all men (& women) were of equal right to be free.
It was up to each state to abide by the Constitution.
It was up to the people in each state to fight for their rights.
If Calif didn’t fight for freedom for all, it was the fault of the legislators and governors who didn’t take the Constitution seriously.
http://www.answers.com/Q/Who_was_the_Governor_of_California_in_1900
Know your rights.
I wish they wouldn’t tear the old guy down. Lots of good memories in the shadow of him, and honestly he is one of the most benign people in history, it really takes an Arcata knee jerk over sensitive type to object to him. It seems more like people are objecting to a time in history more than Ol Bill himself. I will try to adopt him and put him in my yard.
Tell ol bill when he comes home,
Anything is worth a try
👍🏼
In it’s place, they could very well put a sculpture that represents the 13 million petitions sent to DC demanding for an amendment forcing states to outlaw slavery right this minute. But, then, that wouldn’t fly over so well considering that one “race” outnumbered other ‘races’ by far in population. Shhhhh, don’t let word get out that the one ‘race’ (lol) fought hard to make an amendment outlawing it once and for all in every state.
The states tried on their own accord, but were met with hostility, bullying, terror, and worse for speaking up. Kind of like today.
Statues made of matchsticks
Crumble into one another
I’m pretty sure Spain directly influenced the Arcata vote on this.
We need to convene a special counsel.
Erect a burning man there and could have Fall Festival people come from all over the world close off all of Arcata for vehicles for 3 weeks and party in the street Park everybody on these farm lands around plenty of parking
It’s Gerlach’s only viable economy. Let’s put it to a vote.
How about a Papier-mâché statue? They can erect a new one every summer fashioned to whatever claptrap fills the popular media at the time and let it disolve in the fall rains. A real symbol of the attempts to make hard truths a transient reality.
Like this one? https://twitter.com/PolishPatriotTM/status/1094394118002929664
That was over the top. What is the context? I don’t think the symbolism of an American President as Roman Caesar would sit well with anyone other than sycophants.
It’s made out of Papier-Mache.
It’s taken from the game WarHammer.
It symbolizes the war against rights and wrongs no matter the party.
It was taken from a video/song/slideshow that was created in 2016.
It’s now a part of our “trendy” modern history.
It’s “opened” discussions all over the world.
It represents the fantasy game between villain and hero that subjects have been trained to identify with.
Those are just a few of the context comments taken off the ww threads.
Everyone has to find their own context, of course.
It’s silly, it’s cool, it’s dreadful, it’s whatever we ‘believe’ it is.
The freedom to believe the whatever, is cherished, mocked, guarded, destroyed, uniting, dividing, silly, strong, …
I find it hilariously thought provoking.
“I find it hilariously thought provoking.” Indeed. The symbolism runs deep.
Indeed it does!
There is a hero and a villain living inside each and every person.
It’s the responsibility of the individual to acknowledge they both exist within.
It’s the responsibility of the individual to decide which one to support.
The story of the two wolves rings true here.
“An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. “A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy.
“It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil – he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.” He continued, “The other is good – he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you – and inside every other person, too.”
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”
The old Cherokee simply replied, “The one you feed.”
https://www.virtuesforlife.com/two-wolves/
Supporting the wolves in others instead choosing which wolf to feed within self, is the …
wow, I can’t believe I have to try to explain this to you of all people Ullr.
Thanks. I’m familiar with your Cherokee allegory. As for the short video, it’s hard to digest all that is there on a 3 inch screen. I’ll have to watch again on something larger.
Be aware that those who have missed the multitudes of rallies won’t be aware of the repeated message he tries to ‘hammer’ into our heads. To summarize, he constantly tells the people that he is not the leader, the people own the power. The people are taking back their right to self govern, he’s just doing what the people elected him to do. The power belongs to the people, not to him.
If the media reported honestly, this wouldn’t even need to be said in a post, it would be a given.
shak @ 3:09,
~honest media – i’m speechless right now on this.
“The very meaning of ‘sovereignty’ is that the decree of the sovereign makes law.” American Banana Co. v. United Fruit Co., 29 S.Ct. 511, 513, 213 U.S. 347, 53 L.Ed. 826, 19 Ann.Cas, 1047.
The functionaries of British rule cowered and collapsed, no match for the collective force of patriotic farmers. According to an eyewitness,
The people of each town being drawn into separate companies marched with
staves & musik. The trumpets sounding, drums beating, fifes playing and Colours
flying, struck the passions of the soul into a proper tone, and inspired martial courage
into each.
Huh? Too cryptic for me, I don’t understand your intent or context. Try again ok.
shak @3:09 con’t,
~the media . . .
The last three years have been really just a display of exploitation.
I think there’s very little of self-awareness in the media, and that the Pinocchios don’t have a clue about anything other than themselves.
At some point the media should say, “These are not good people.” They’re handicapping themselves by playing with a set of rules that no thinking person is playing anymore. And if they continue to cede that ground, their influence will continue to be diminished. Because of the lies, the deception, and the fraud; the Supes., City Councils (7), Planning Dept., Ag., Water Board, Property Rights group, the tax collector, Sheriff slash Coroner, Criminal District A., the BAR BARs, and persons masquerading as “Judges” – all of the corporate God worshippers -should be called out.
I think I understand this cont. post, and if so, I agree wholeheartedly.
It took over 100 years of planning and deception to get to where we are now, and it will take more than just 2 years to undo it all. A lot of headway has been made, with more to come.
Patience and Rico’s will take care of a lot of the roots of the corrupt tree of tyranny.
(did you miss the ‘if’ in my sentence “If the media reported honestly,…”)?
shak @ 5:22,
~try again.
From “The First American Revolution”
The governor’s councilors, once elected but now appointed directly by the Crown, were also forced to resign. Thomas Oliver, lieutenant-governor of Massachusetts and a councilor as well, ceded to a crowd of four thousand assembled around his home in Cambridge.
Timothy Paine of Worcester was visited by two thousand men who demanded his resignation. He told a committee he would comply, but his word would not suffice – the people wanted it in writing. Even that was not enough: the crowd demanded that he come out of his house while a representative read his resignation aloud. Again Paine complied, and again the people wanted more: he would have to read his resignation himself, with his hat off, several times as he passed through the ranks. Nothing else would do.
Through it all, the revolutionaries engaged in participatory democracy, which far outreached the pintentions of the so-called “Founding Fathers.” They gathered under no special leaders. Their ad hoc representatives, such as the five men elected to talk with Timothy Paine, operated according to instructions approved by the assembled crowd and reported back immediately to the body as whole.
A Royal, “Oliver was appointed his successor by King George III and his government ministers, who may have believed him to be a brother or other relative of Andrew Oliver. ”
This house was begun in 1774 and finished in 1778 and was the home of Judge Timothy Paine who was a loyalist. (loyalists were loyal to the crown).
I fail to see your point.
Wasn’t everyone who was still loyal to the King considered a traitor and treated as such? (even some of the wars against the indigenous were over their preference in supporting the King instead of liberty).
The Founding Fathers didn’t create the constitution (and DOI) in order to form a body of government to govern over the people. They formed the Govt in order to have a central hub for all things foreign. They did it to create order out of chaos. Chaos was easily had when each different state had their own personal war/tariffs/laws/commerce, which put all the other states in dangerous territory. The central hub took care of all those idiotic moments by having the reps come together at the hub and discuss their state’s problems, solutions and concerns. That was it. They had so little to do, that they had to make an official ‘mandate’ for them each to meet at least once a year.
We’ve since fallen into the brainwashed trap of believing that they were installed for the sole purpose of governing our every breath.
The MAGA movement is popular because it’s making people learn about the true meaning of our Constitution.
That’s also why it’s despised by those who would rather control every breath taken.
You know all this. I don’t understand your point.
~oh Pete, shak @ 6:32,
The idea i was attempting to get across, is, the people organized and acted as a whole based on recognized rights of the individuals. That they surrounded his home and pressed Paine to read his resignation -hat off.
That was all.
OH! Now I hear ya! That’s more like it. I’m glad it was me (my understanding) that was off and not you (your stance), because wow, that would have been … I don’t want to go there.
Thanks for clarifying!
Yes, we need respect our rights, our power, our Constitution, and unite together and perform our duty and kick all traitors out.
I love ya Ch, you’re good people.
shak @ 5:32
~no, i didn’t miss it. I was adding to in my w a y.
Which is over my head most of the time, tbh, but I’m getting there. (thanks to your care in clarifying).
~and thanks to you for saying, Try again.
Exactly!
Waste of time and money. Stupid people in charge in California. There will be no socialism in USA. You will lose even worse 2020. Aoc pelosi Schumer hacks. 😂😂😂😂👍👍
A disease bacteria does not have to be very numerous to kill an immune suppressed body.
Soo funny how any thread about 1) Arcata or 2) foreigners brings out every conservative blowhard. Like flys on….
Trigger warning.
I appreciate the comparison…(not so much)
Nothing against you my dear. Just a thing I noticed about the hateful tone of comments, specifically on certain threads. Surely you notice this as well.
Sorry, I was teasing. I guess the tone didn’t come across. Yes, I do notice. Add in Hoopa and you get commenters willing to paint with a very wide brush.
But certainly you can not only see what you label conservative in the hateful remarks? Surely the white bashing would count in that condemnation? How about the bashing of people who find pot creates a lot of ugliness? Or those who find taxing to be excessive or object to the social disruption of lawlessness? Why there is a whole world of things that are apparently sanctified targets for the broad brush where there is a mysterious lack of attention.
I’ll throw this quote out again:
“Political tags – such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth – are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.”
Robert A. Heinlein
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/robert_a_heinlein_136368
~that’s but wonderful.
Thank you Ullr Rover.
I’ll throw this one out again:
The only division is between those who are awake and those who have yet to awaken.
Cathy O’Brian (MK Ultra. .)
~but wait, Ull Rover @5:16
Those court citations are part of my seven page, RECORDED INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD, good as gold, Fee Schedule. Available to those with eyes, ears, green knees and big brass ones. =^.^=
The fees are based on precedent – I, Central HumCo, a California national, claim My following Fee Schedule for any unlawful transgressions by any one who assumes a position of authority over me, i.e., DUE PROCESS and all that that lawfully implies. Where honor, proper humility and apology have not been shown to My satisfaction, $50.00 FIFTY ounces of silver PER MINUTE, based upon the established precedent of $25,000.00 per 23 minutes of detention, will become due immediately. This is in accordance with the Court’s Ruling in the matter of James C. Trezevant. United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit (1984).
It covers Unlawful Detainment Violations, Biometric Data Violations, Fraudulent Orders/Demands/Billing Violations, Legal Fiction Name Violations, Forced Search/Seizure and Property Violations, Interfering With Acquiring the Necessities of Life, Keep and Bear Arms ..
COURT RULINGS
New York Supreme Court v USHA Research Institute, September 29,1988, the presiding Judge was the Honorable Ann Felton. The USHA Research Institute won its case, that victory included the right to practice the healing traditions of our forefathers by using herbs and other nutritional substances that are consistent with our genetic structure.
The trick is collecting the fees.
~they are few, we are many.
And i know, Ullr Rover, you are not of the 66%.
I find more bashing of marijuana growers than bashing of those bashing marijuana growers, etc. It would be interesting if some grad student had the time to create a score card.
That said, I wish everyone would stick to ideas instead of to slamming others. I feel drained everytime I have to run through the comments by the surplus of rage directed at people who you might like if they were your neighbors even though you might disagree on political points. My favorite neighbor is very conservative. My very much loved stepdad is conservative. My dad was, too
.
Kym, I think if you digest the quote I posted by Mr. Heinlein it helps us understand why we get along with some people and not others regardless of political disposition.
“…The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.”
For those of us who live in the sticks, I think, we are more predisposed to not want to be controlled and not control other people. The dichotomy is not blue versus red.
You warm the cockles of my heart at this moment. It’s the refusal to examine what we think that is an offense. Once a label has been applied then it becomes an excuse for stopping the hard work of thinking further.
For example I dislike pot, users because they are impaired, growers because they choose to make money supplying impairment. I’d rather people not indulge because frankly most are not good at thinking naturally and being impaired is not something they should risk.
But that does not mean that I see no down side in attempting to regulate it out of existence. The minute that idea that government can act without limits is suggested, failure is assured. In other words, because I don’t like something, doesn’t mean I have the right to attempt to control others in their own actions beyond self protection. That restraint of government is protection for me too. Arguing against something so that people might change their own behavior is a good. It is not the same as using government to enforce.
Ok I’ll bite…. I think no one will say they like to be controlled so that’s a pretty weak premise. I think anyone would say the ‘other guy’ on the other side is the one who wants to control people, whatever your politics. People living in rural places have many varied political beliefs. I get along with almost everyone, and I’ve lived in very rural humboldt most of my life.
My original point is this, and I’ll stick by it: if you read any comment thread related to a story about 1) Mexicans or native Americans 2) Arcata
You will find very hateful and ignorant statements. I’ll avoid saying conservative, ok? But I would guess that the people saying these idiotic things would probably wear a MAGA hat.
They seem very drawn to comment on things that they have only mean, ugly things to say.
Just something I notice. That’s all!
Maybe their mama never taught them about ‘if you don’t have something nice to say….’
Mdg- I agree that no one will say they like to be controlled, but I believe that there are a lot of people who need to be controlled and the idea of freedom from state/authoritarian constraints scares the shit out of them… so much so that they will belittle the concept even if someone else pursues their own freedom. Bashing on individual sovereignty comes to mind.
People everywhere have varied political beliefs and that is the false dichotomy I attempted to illustrate. It is not blue or red, it is the State or the individual, control or to be left alone.
Vitriol and idiocy abound. Some threads about some things bring out comments from one political stripe or another. It is very easy to be an asshole behind the anonymity of a keyboard. Personally I won’t type any comment I wouldn’t say directly to someone.
“Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.”
Yick Wo v Hopkins, 118 US 356, at pg. 370.
~for those who may not be familiar with the above case, it stemmed from San Francisco.
“Every citizen and freeman is endowed with certain rights and privileges to enjoy which no written law or statute is required. These are fundamental or natural rights, recognized among all free people.” U.S. v. Morris, 125 F 322, 325.
“A sovereign is exempt from suit, not because of any formal conception or obsolete theory, but on the logical and practical ground that there can be no legal Right as against the authority that makes the law on which the Right depends.”
Kawananakoa v. Polybank 205 U.S. 349, 353, 27 S. Ct. 526, 527, 51 L. Ed. 834 (1907).
“It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitution, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states.”
Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Deboldt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997 – that does NOT mean that [Public Servant] usupers can turn the people into slaves, collateral, persons, resources or units, using fraud, deceit, coercion, intimidation, or invisible adhesion contracts.
“…that does NOT mean that [Public Servant] usupers can turn the people into slaves, collateral, persons, resources or units, using fraud, deceit, coercion, intimidation, or invisible adhesion contracts.” Except, through coercion, people cede that power everyday by contract.
For those that have been stuck in a cave their whole life you can not tell them of the outside world and expect anything other than denial, resistance, and violence. (A weak summary of “An Allegory of a Cave” Plato/ Socrates)
It’s like the old saw about not seeing pregnant women until you are pregnant yourself. It’s a matter of being aware rather than demographics. The eyes tend to slide over that which is not cared to be seen.
On a rotting carcass? That would be true.
Oooh good burn ! Not really….
It’s an ugly statue and the people of Arcata voted democratically to remove it because they were tired of it. There’s nothing more American than that. Maybe the people who are so upset should ask to have the statue moved to their town.
True! That statue is very ugly, I’m glad it’s leaving.
That was not why it was removed. The debate centered around race and power, not ethetics- things democracy is notoriously infamous for abusing. They might have been tired of the statue being used as a power play but now that will just move to the next target to make a big deal out of. There is no level of sanitizing that is good enough.
We need to put a stchew of a Bigfoot. We took their pryvysy and need to honor Bigfoot pried of North fork canyon. They saved my herd and helped me through ruff drought and gave me corn seed.
We need a new McKinley to rise up and rid us of the socialists, special interests, historical revisionists, political elites, and foreigners. They are ruining our state, and country.
The drama, so dramatic. Hahaha you should of got involved in the democratic process instead of commenting here.
In case you didn’t notice, your one leg should now be several inches longer than the other. If you didn’t worship at the altar of Sacred Cows, they couldn’t have sneaked up on you unnoticed to give it a sizable tug.
Well, Genocide is never a good policy, but neither is wasting the funds of a small town.
Arcata is a wasteland, and no amount of clean up will turn it into “Pismo Beach with Cannabis Tourism”. I think Santa Cruz has you beat…
The People’s Republic Of Arcata marches on, and, it’s fascinating how the most political stuff happens in the Winter, in Humboldt County.
As an aside, wow, you people are sad…
They have just as much right to be sad as any other commenter. “You people” includes you in case the irony passed by unnoticed.
I suppose so, but I always leave Arcatareka ASAP! Too many gun-waving crazies there, and drunks!
I often wonder what it would be like to be a student at HSU, but it seems too depressing to consider…
I did think about the Idi Amin, Ayatolla Kohmeni and the Saddam Hussein statues, in fact… McKinley happened a long time ago, but he probably wasn’t all that bad of a fellow. I hope I never see a Donald Trump statue!
I am not sad, and don’t lump me in with the NoHum commenters on this blog. I live in Lake County, where everyone is also on drugs, and, where the drunks are industrial strength. No news blogs here! Or damn statues of McKinley! Just seniors living down by the lake in mobile homes, trying to keep warm, and traveling
to the Dollar Tree for cheap wine and something for dinner…
No news blog but try the Lake County Scanner on Facebook.
Ms Kemp:
Thanks for the info! BC
so how much are they selling the statue for?
One to two dollars per pound at the moment. Basically the only way Arcata will not lose money will be to exchange it for removing it unless someone finds an eccentric buyer. Maybe they can try eBay.
The US has a history of removing statues. If we do it during illegal invasions/occupations to other countries, we cheer.
Luckily, Arcata went through a process of public hearings and voting. The people who gave the most interest took the votes.
The people who took the least interest are on this thread complaining about Socialists and Tyranny and Mob Rule and knee jerk responses. Interestingly, most of those responses are knee-jerk because the process that brought this decision to be is explained in the article.
Also, the same group of complainers here are staunch backers of Trump. It should not be lost that not one of these people spoke against Trump for making mocking comments regarding Pocohantis and recently the Trail of Tears. Of course his son weighed in on the tweets with a SAVAGE remark.
None of you said a damm thing. If your not commenting on overt racism because your caught up in parties, and backing Trump, then your a part of the problem. And this is why some may group you as racists.
So, I’m happy your all upset about the statue removal. It pleases me immensely.
You missed the point. All is commenting on stupidity and cupidity. Removing this statue and all the blithering about it being relevant deserves all the criticism that is directed at it. Arcata’s citizens should not take themselves so seriously as to glorify their being symptoms with being the actual disease.
“Arcata’s citizens should not take themselves so seriously “
Yet your so serious about it?
I take thinking things out seriously, especially the quality of my own. You mistake that for taking the adolescent McKinley kerfuffle as a real issue.
It’s a symptom of poor understanding that only inexperienced youth would invest with meaning. It’s like graffiti- the meaning of the vandals is not serious. The plague of incivility and decay they bring is what is serious.
Your mistaking graffiti for the process that was undertook to take down the statue.
Your mistaking your thoughts and opinions as more necessary than those that brought down the statue through due process.
You might also be mistaking public property for private property.
The public has a right to the decisions made on public property.
But you can put a statue on your property without a vote.
No, the graffiti analogy is right. Voting out what is not wanted can be very destructive even if technically “civil.” Democracy is a constant source of assault with very damaging results. Just look at the popularity of Jim Crow laws- very legally enacted and very democratic. Very popular. But very corrosive. I know your answer will be to tell me I’m wrong but that doesn’t make it so.
I agree with the second paragraph.
Maybe Arcata should tear down all the buildings in town because the land was stolen from the Indians.
The Difference:
-An operating government
-Our voting process that ISIS lacks,
-Our lack of killing for ideals( unless your an alt-reich in NC),
-Our lack of an invading foreign army that leaves no governance when done
But other than that, your still way off!
Yes. Because you are protected by the Constitution, you have the right to behave stupidly. But you should remember that having the right to burn books does not mean you are required to.
Jibber jabber.
Weren’t you whining about insults?
Stick to the facts ma’am.
The protection of the constitution is jibber jabber? Book burning is jibber jabber? Shocking…
Besides that was not an insult. I did not say you are stupid. I said that you have the right to do something stupid if enough others agree. Guaranteed by the Constitution. I was agreeing with you about the difference. But then doing something stupid is again not required.
Who’s required to burn books?
How you brought that into my discussion seems like jibber jabber.
Are you implying that removing this statue is attacking the Constitution?
Your not making yourself clear.
No I didn’t at all. In fact I said just the opposite. That your supported actions are protected by the Constitution. Just that having a legal process, which by the way I’m sure the Taliban would affirm they had too and had the right to their destruction, does not make an action good or even sensible. Democracy is tricky. It is a method that can be and frequently is abused. And it gets even more risky if debate is abused too.
Your a violator of debate breaks down just the same.
The difference is I use my name.
Your ways of agreement are far from clear, also.
For what it’s worth (not much) this is my opinion on the McKinley statue:
Intent is very important. The tendency of people to either saint or demonize individuals inherently fails to see the nuances of being human. McKinley was no less human than any of us and was burdened with momentous decisions as President that most of cannot conceive of having to make. The resolution adopted by Arcata is myopic in that it judges a historical figure through the lense of a comfortable present-day. We easily forget that the world is often a hard place and people often have to make hard decisions. For better or worse we stand on the shoulders of those people who made those hard choices.
If the City of Arcata and it’s populace have deemed McKinley as not a suitable centerpiece of their square then they should pursue an appropriate one. But it should be the pursuit of an appropriate centerpiece to supplant the current one that should be the intent of the movement, not demonizing a historical figure because we disagree with the policies he carried out more than a century ago.
Well said.
~just look at the selection of leaders, albeit temporary, we have to choose from in here.
There’s a statue of Bruce Lee in the city square of Mostar, Bosnia Herzegovina. .. why? Because, with the ethnic division in the region, they couldn’t agree on anyone else. So you have a Chinese American martial art film start in the city square in the Balkans.
And in Lithuania there is a statue of Frank Zappa.
I’d be happy with a statue of Bigfoot.
http://www.nabigfootsearch.com/TheHoopaProject.html
Hear Here! Well said Ullr!
Arcata and all the land around Humboldt Bay is the un-ceded territory of the Wiyot peoples. That is a fact.
~most interesting. I don’t doubt it for a milla-second.
The part about Humboldt’s coast line that i’ve read about, it has the longest shoreline than any other county.
That is it the Eastern part of what was Trinity County, and the western boundary line is three miles out. Hence, the CA INC CA Coastal Commission has zip, zero, nada authority on Humboldt’s coastal shores. Three miles west from the mouth of the Mad River, is what i remember.
~just sayin. Let those who were and are better caretakers of the land, lead, the traditional Wise Ones.