Humboldt Judge Weighs Faith, Law, and Patient Safety in St. Joseph Case
![Providence St. Joseph Hospital in Eureka [Photo by Ryan Hutson]](https://kymkemp.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/image5-3.jpg)
Providence St. Joseph Hospital in Eureka [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
The case positions Humboldt County at the center of a legal showdown involving the First Amendment rights of Catholic hospitals vs emergency health care needs of CA citizens – a legal fight that could change the state’s expectations for rural, Catholic-run for-profit healthcare. Humboldt County residents also lose confidence in the only remaining acute care labor and delivery unit in the county.
The hearing centered on whether the court should modify or entirely dissolve an earlier court-approved agreement that directed doctors at St Joes to provide abortions when the treating physician concluded a pregnant patient’s health is at serious risk. Rather than dissolve the agreement entirely, Judge Canning ruled in favor of the defendant, directing the AG’s office to schedule a preliminary injunction hearing within 90 days – effectively giving St. Joes another opportunity to ‘have their day in court’ while also reaffirming that the agreement signed last October will remain “in full force and effect” in the meantime.
The case originated from Providence’s refusal to provide an emergency abortion to Anna* Nusslock as she suffered a traumatic miscarriage of twins in 2024, the case now proceeds to a Preliminary Injunction hearing and potentially a trial. In the meantime, the hospital is bound to a stipulation and order that was originally intended to preclude full trial proceedings, while safeguarding the public’s right to access emergency reproductive care if needed, according to the AG’s lawyers.
Now, Providence has won the ability to offer additional arguments against the AG’s request – including their First Amendment Right to freedom of religion – when the case moves forward with a preliminary injunction hearing in order to hear the full scope of arguments from both sides. Two lawyers for the Attorney General’s office appeared in person for the hearing, Martine D’Agostino and David Houska. On behalf of St Joseph Health LLC, the Los Angeles based law firm Manatt, Phelps & Phillips LLP sent both Harvey Rochman and Barry Landsberg.
People VS St. Joes – The Reboot!
The hearing opened with a minor outburst from someone in the courtroom gallery after a court reporter asked the judge if a mother with a young baby – who was making quintessential baby sounds in the audience – to leave the courtroom in order to remove distracting noises. In response to the audience member who loudly objected, “NO”, Judge Timothy Canning immediately addressed the interruption, noting that there would be no debate and advising that members of the audience could watch the hearing via zoom from the hallway, but did not ask the mother to exit. With that, the hearing proceeded as both sides presented their statements for and against altering or entirely doing away with the October 29th agreement.
![An art installation in front of Providence St. Joseph Hospital in Eureka memorializes the Sisters of Orange, who are credited with founding the health ministry. [photo by Ryan Hutson]](https://kymkemp.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/image1-7.jpg)
An art installation in front of Providence St. Joseph Hospital in Eureka memorializes the Sisters of Orange, who are credited with founding the health ministry. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
In opposition, Providence’s Rochman argued that the court should change the agreement, citing the recently introduced statement by Bishop Robert Vasa, of the Santa Rosa Diocese. Asking the court to “modify or dissolve” the agreement in consideration of Vasa’s opinion, St. Joes writes, “The record clearly shows a material change in the facts in that Bishop Vasa, the diocesan bishop with the specific authority in the Catholic faith to determine compliance with the ERDs in the Diocese of Santa Rosa, reviewed the Stipulation after it was entered and determined that the Stipulation violates the ERDs and must be modified.”
Arguing that the Hospital is first and foremost bound by Catholic religious canon cannons as well as by California State law, Rochman asserted that the agreement failed to include the Catholic “Ethical and Religious Directives” (ERD’s) by which the hospital group and its contracted healthcare staff are bound by, and was therefore not acceptable. Providence also argued that the agreement oversteps California Law by asking more of the hospital than the legal requirement according to their interpretation of California’s Emergency Services Law (ESL).
The AG’s counsel denied that the stipulation was flawed, stating that the agreement reflects the spirit and the expectations of the ESL, adding that private parties enter into contracts all the time that require they do more than the legal minimum, suggesting that this agreement is no different.
Lobbying for another chance at bat, or to have the matter undone entirely, counsel for St. Joes told the court that the AG’s office “seeks to order the hospital to perform abortions,” and in so doing, violates its religious freedoms as a Catholic institution. Rochman told the court that not only was the agreement poorly executed, but that it effectively circumvented the court’s intended system, and effectively violated the hospital’s right to due process. In the courtroom, and in their motion to modify the court’s orders, Rochman asserts that it should not be a doctor who decides if an abortion is necessary, but instead, should be determined by the ethics rules outlined in the Catholic ERDs. Rochman asserted to the court that the AG has attempted to “weaponize” the ESL “into an abortion rights law that can be used against Catholic hospitals.”. In court, he accused the AG’s office of infringing on the hospital’s due process, by asking the court to reaffirm and enforce the 2024 agreement.
At one point, Rochman’s comments were met with immediate groans and scoffs from the gallery in response to D’Agostino’s assertion that without St. Joseph’s acute care and labor and delivery room emergency services reliably available that there would be nowhere else locally to go for Humboldt families. When Rochman suggested that Mad River Hospital could “find funding” for their labor and delivery services rather than St. Joseph’s Hospital being expected to cover its shortcomings in that area of care, several members of the audience reacted causing the judge to interject, saying any further outbursts or rancor from the audience and he would clear the courtroom.

Attorneys Landberg and Rochman (left) and D’Agostino (Houska not shown, right) make their case to Judge Canning, with a nearly full house of observers in the gallery behind them. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
While Rochman asserted that the Hospital’s religious freedoms were violated, Judge Canning asked the Attorney General’s office why they had not followed through with setting the preliminary injunction hearing before. Attorney D’Agostino explained that the State took St. Joseph at its word, and having had an agreement and court order in place, that the AG’s office saw no need for continuing the litigation against the hospital.
Reiterating that St. Joes’ legal team had filed several declarations asserting opinions and ethical quandaries related to oversight from the Catholic Church, including that of Bishop Vasa, the state objected across the board, citing hearsay, relevance, and also disputed the timing and the way these points were raised, after the agreement was already on record.
The state objected to the hospital’s reliance on Bishop Vasa’s statement, calling it hearsay and irrelevant since it was raised after the agreement was entered. Still, the hospital group lobbied for their position that, as Rochman told the court, this was “a freedom of religion issue.”
Although he insisted that the hospital does provide emergency care in line with the ESL, Rochman asserted that deciding what is or isn’t emergency care, according to the Catholic ERDs, “cant” be left “up to the decision of the doctor” in a situation where a pregnancy was in crisis.

Lead Attorney Harvey Rochman for St. Joseph Health glances back at the press seated in the front row as the proceedings come to a close. [Photos by Ryan Hutson]
Looking at the ERD’s cited by the hospital’s counsel, it reads, “Abortion… is never permitted.” The hospital also contended that the Emergency Services Law does not specifically require abortion as emergency health care and that Nusslock’s life was not immediately at risk.
The Attorney General’s team also addressed the medical facts of Anna Nusslock’s case being disputed by the Hospital, noting that by the time she arrived at Mad River Hospital, she was “hemorrhaging at an alarming rate,” in stark contrast to St. Joes’ characterization that she was “stable” when she was assessed at St. Joes in Eureka. As Canning weighed the arguments silently, D’Agostino asserted, “if the court agrees” with St. Joes’ motion to modify or to dissolve the agreement, it “will leave women of Humboldt without a Labor & Delivery unit” that respects CA’s Emergency Services Laws.
Judge Splits the Baby
The Judge questioned both sides, asking whether the stipulation lacked an end date, and whether there had been any factual changes that would justify modifying the agreement. D’Agustino confirmed that it was the AG’s intent to have the stipulated agreement be enforceable even after a trial. The state also objected that the hospital’s attempt to incorporate religious directives now—after voluntarily entering the stipulation—does not provide legal grounds for modification. “There is no fraud, no mistake of fact, and no change in circumstance,” D’Agostino for the Attorney General’s office said, adding that “the stipulation is enforceable as written.”
“People are entitled to the benefit of their agreement,” D’Agustino said, emphasizing that the original order was designed to ensure patients in Humboldt County receive necessary emergency care, adding, “even if the People re-file the motion [for preliminary injunction], it will put Humboldt women in danger.” In response, Rochman reassured the court that St. Joes has, and would continue to abide by the law, and by the agreement despite their contention that it was adverse to their religious freedom – but reiterated that the hospital wanted an opportunity to address the “constitutional issue at hand” in the future.

The Hon. Judge Timothy Canning, asking a question during the proceedings. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
As to cooperation from the other side, D’Agostino said that despite AG’s attempts to gain compliance from St. Joes’ legal team with the required discovery process, having made formal requests for information and documents in April, the AG claimed they were “rebuffed” in those efforts. With that feedback, Judge Canning instructed the parties to resolve ongoing discovery disputes prior to the next hearing.
The AG’s case against the hospital – stemming from the experience of Anna Nusslock – is putting a magnifying glass on the balance between religious liberty and personal healthcare rights, as rural healthcare access and patient safety in Northern California hospitals takes center stage.
The unfolding legal battle could have broad implications for one of the largest not-for-profit Catholic run hospital groups in the nation, as Providence angles for a First Amendment freedom of religion claim that, according to the California AG, puts a religious belief system above the immediate healthcare needs of California’s families.
Note: This article has been updated to correct the spelling of Ms. Nusslock’s first name.
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St. Joe’s receives public funds and has tax exempt status., So they should be providing medical services to anyone for any reason. Their doctrine should not come into play.
Religion has no place in Medicine.
St Joseph’s fucked with the wrong Patient.
OH and Providence breaks laws left and right…
Worked at Redwood 6 months, got my eyes opened…
Women’s Health isn’t profitable any more, so, get out of here…
This may be the single worst act of Medical Care I have ever been aware of, and I have seen bad providers dispensing awful care…
Women’s Health isn’t profitable any more, so, get out of here…
-POM-
Seems to be working for Mad River Hospital…
Or would that be “Mad River Community Hospital”…???
And Mendocino Coast, Howard, and SHCHD…
Not in the real world-
“The only licensed labor and delivery unit in all of Mendocino County is Adventist Health Ukiah Valley, also located in Ukiah.
“However, in April of 2020, the Mendocino Coast District Hospital joined a partnership with Adventist Health, a Seventh-day Adventist nonprofit that originally began in Roseville, to become an Adventist Health Hospital. After this partnership was announced, it was also shared that the Fort Bragg hospital’s labor and delivery center would be closed, largely due to financial constraints.
Medi-Cal, which covers just under 40% of all births in California, has a low reimbursement rate for labor and delivery services. When rural hospitals — already operating on thin margins — lose money by keeping labor and delivery departments open, those departments are often among the first to be closed to save money. ”
https://mendovoice.com/2025/04/five-years-without-a-coastal-birth-center-mothers-share-their-stories/
Adventist Health is Vertically Integrated, with their own Medical School, Business School and Nursing Programs…
It’s Corporate Healthcare, disguised as a non-profit…
Don’t be mislead, since all AH cares about is money…
I also worked at Mendo Coast, for a minute, and the L&D department was staffed 24/7 to deliver about 20 kids per month…
The District was broke, a bad CEO had robbed them, and the management was a shambles…
The folks who worked there were in disarray, with Unions further screwing things up, and I bailed to earn $10 more/hour down the road…
The Manager called me “a tourist” but too bad, guy, because they were very fucked up…
It fascinates me that nobody complains about the fact that AH has a monopoly on healthcare, in Mendocino, and I was the first one to predict the takeover of Hospitals by this crooked organization…
I’m not misled. This is just a fact about what exists, not an essay on virtue.
People complain all the time. I complained back in 2010 what ACA would do. Well, here it is. Yet hindsight is apparently not any more illuminating now than foresight was then. People are still waving magic wish words than looking at reality.
Obamacare caused a volume of problems, both to Healthcare and careers in healthcare…
Most people don’t understand a single effect of Obamacare, but for Healthcare Entities, it was a huge adjustment in billing practices and income…
It’s not the same as it was even 20 years ago, but rural areas are still suffering the effects.
Women’s Health will never be the same, but where the population of Medi-Cal recipients is highest, adaptation has occurred.
How do you think that? Humboldt is probably the poster child for public health benefits being dominant and adapting is constant brinksmanship.
I was thrown out of Howard Memorial’s operating room in my underwear as I was prepped for surgery in 1983, when the surgeon said “Oh by the way, how are you paying for this operation?” I said my credit card was in my pants nearby. He pulled off his latex gloves and threw them on the floor. “Who let *this* in here?” he demanded, and I was charged I think $800 for what they called “stabilizing” me, though it’s actually unstabilizing to be thrown out in one’s underwear. Anyway, at that time there was an Indian charity hospital in Ukiah, where I was dumped, and healed, without going through the operation Howard was prepping me for. The nurses there told me Howard Memorial was campaigning to shut the hospital down so their chain would have a Mendocino monopoly. They succeeded. I’m glad I got there first. I’ve always thought better of Mennonites than that, but honestly, I thought Catholics were better than Providence too. But of course the hospitals are all temples of our new American religion’s priests, MBAs. May they rot in their emergency rooms, in their underwear.
What should anyone expect from a hospital ran by a cult
Mad River doesn’t offer abortions and quit offering birthing services. Mad River does not offer obstetrics or gynecology services independently but does work in collaboration with Open Door Women’s Services and has severel women’s clinics housed on their grounds.
No place in Medicine or Education
They sure did
St. Joesph doesn’t have a chance.
Agree 100% — by accepting federal funding the hospital has voluntarily waived it’s right to enforce it’s misogynistic doctrines on women seeking emergency medical care.
The problem is the increasingly conservative Supreme Court and it’s willingness to twist reason and logic to find a 1st Amendment ‘free speech’ right to justify discrimination in public accommodations where it would not be allowed by religious dogma alone.
Six of the nine Supreme Court justices are Catholics and a seventh was raised Catholic but is now Episcopalian — is it any wonder that religious dogma keeps chipping away at.constitutional protections against discrimination?
No the problem is so few people know what’s in the Constitution in the first place and worse don’t care.
Awaiting approval
They pay no taxes there for should have no say in law and order
Hmm… does that mean people getting government subsidies, who pay no taxes, shouldn’t have a say either? Or the ACLU, League of Women Voters, Sierra Club, etc etc, who also pay no taxes, should have no say? Or Tribal, State or Federal governments, who also pay no taxes?
California wants to punish doctors for giving school age children religious exemption so they can attend schools and keep their 1st amendment rights. If the schools aren’t protecting RIGHTS, then they need to have FEDERAL FUNDING REMOVED.
Before ANYONE seeks to defend California schools tyrannical approach to parental and individual bodily rights, just remember that children injured by vaccines, are unable to get relief from big pharmaceutical and government for lifelong health issues caused by liability free vaccines.
so yeah, both parents work full time to maintain a secure home and then they have to raise their children and all the things that are needed for a family success
so when government attempts to mandate liability free vaccines and stop parents from protecting their children , yet all the media focuses on trans kids rights to mutilate themselves, and others
our lives could have been more productive if parents weren’t saddled with dealing with special needs children from being damaged from mandated vaccines.
are we supposed to live under tyrants rule!?
Get your shots.
Is that you, Gavin Newsom…???
No thanks
Notice how dogs and cats aren’t living as long, either!?
it’s hard to recognize cause and effect,
they force you to pay for crappy education, and do not practice informed consent.
sometimes if you get real quiet,
you wonder why California ranks 32nd in education and number one in homelessness.
you can’t honestly expect anyone to respect the people who give you those results
in a nation of blind people
the one eyed man is king
That’s called a Cyclops.
“Parents” who don’t vaccinate their children are not protecting them or everyone else. It’s not just about you. Contrary to what you think.
Parents who aren’t aware what liability free products and policies actually represent, probably shouldn’t complain when they get unhappy with how corrupt this new batch of politicians are.
Do me a favor and study immunological papers and maybe dig a little deeper into the real history of injectables.
or maybe why you carry multiple levels of liability insurance for your home, vehicles, and business, and God forbid you look into proposed legislation that will give pesticide manufacturers the same protection as these injectables.
So you’re only in it for the money? Product liability is a product of lawyers who are the only ones who benefit. All products should be liability free. Let the buyer beware.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DN5Bsk1FKvP/
contrary to what I think!?
what world do people live in where they feel perfectly comfortable with defending our state’s mismanagement and most likely criminal behavior and yet have no idea what a placebo controlled double blind study means for safety and effectiveness, and has the audacity to show the world just how ignorant and apathetic so many people are about cause and effect.
you think it’s beyond me ….
what passes for optimal health,
critical thinking and fiscal responsibility ?
it’s amazing how much people will focus on Ukraine Russia Israel Palestine the rights of people to live a drug addicted, booze addled, crime ridden, sexually abusive culture when our very own children have no financial future other than to be debt slaves in a neo feudal serf class.
so please explain to me why you carry liability insurance and documentation to show your conveyance is properly registered with the state?
It’ so weird to me because I clearly remember reading this blog about a decade ago, reading about how there were still families in the hills that would not vaccinate their kids, and therefore couldn’t go to school.
The whole sohum ‘community’ rallied to protect their rights.
Now, everyone has completely switched polarity and the anti-vax people are for the vax and the normal vaccine people are anti-vax.
The old vaccines were real vaccines using real denatured viral protein.
The new injections are a lucrative experiment involving a system to deliver dna to your cells and we’re not sure what will happen. All for a corona virus.
I’ve known since eureka high school that corona viruses are just cold viruses. They last 6 months tops before mutating away. The whole reason they invented mRna ‘vaccines’ is because they could never get a real vaccine approved fast enough before the coronavirus mutates away! They’ve been trying to get them approved since I was in college in the ’90s. But the FDA would never approve them. And yet the people of the hills are still taking more boosters!!
These new “vaccines” likely killed my mom and father in law. And yet the people in hills defend them with everything they have.
This tells me one thing and one thing only. It tells me that they only care about what side they are on and they really don’t care about anyones health at all. It’s only about what team you are on and absolutely nothing else matters. Even to the detriment to their own health!
And this is why I don’t even speak to vax people anymore. It’s not just the refusal of reason. It’s the fact that they want to harm me and my family. All for a political cause. How can you respect someone like that?
So, You’re o.k. with a child, or you. dying from tetanus from a rusty nail, or rabies, polio, smallpox, or a myriad of other pretty certain to be fatal diseases, that can be readily, and easily prevented? really? of course it begs to ask, what does it have to do with St. Joe’s?
It has to do with California lawmakers and their never ending wars against the human mind body and spirit…and our wallets.
The entire administration is forcing us to live under a dementia patient’s tyrannical rule
wake up!
California is 32nd in education
number one!!!!! in homelessness
average home price $900k
average property tax $900/month
highest fuel prices
highest electricity costs
highest state income tax.
surrounded by young people who wonder wtf were you doing the past 50 to 60 years to have anybody defend the service we pay the highest price for.
if politicians worked on tips instead of corruption, maybe we would have better management.
what is your reasonable articulable facts!?
Catch up Biden has been voted out !!!!!
How bad were you actually injured?
Any injury caused by other peoples rules and actions that gives the injured no justice or remedy is too much.
The “Anna” in “Anna Nusslock” has two “N’s”, not just one…
(Fourth paragraph, etc. …)
The “canons” in ”religious canons”, has two “N’s”, not THREE…
(It’s “religious canons”, not “religious cannons”.)
(Ninth paragraph.)
More nuanced would be if in this case and usage…
“Arguing that the Hospital is first and foremost bound by Catholic religious cannons as well as by California State law…”
the proper usage and spelling would be…
…bound by Catholic religious “canon”..
…as opposed to…
…bound by Catholic religious “canons”…
I lean towards thinking that the proper usage and spelling in this case would be…
….”bound by Catholic religious “canon”. ”
Is that too pedantic and exacting…???
Would it be, “Catholic religious canon”, or “Catholic religious canons”
AI Overview
You can use either “Catholic religious canon” or “Catholic religious canons,” but they have different meanings: ➡️ “Catholic religious canon” is singular, referring to the entire body of laws ⬅️ , while “Catholic religious canons” is plural, referring to the individual laws or regulations within that body. The entire system of laws is often called the Code of Canon Law.
“Catholic religious canon” (singular)
Meaning: ➡️ This refers to the complete, codified set of laws and regulations that govern the Roman Catholic Church ⬅️ . Example: “The Code of Canon Law is an important part of Catholic religious canon”. “Catholic religious canons” (plural)
Meaning:This refers to the individual rules, norms, or laws that make up the larger body of canon law. Example:“The Canons of the Church address various aspects of ecclesiastical life and discipline”. In summary:
➡️ Use “canon” to talk about the whole system of laws ⬅️ .
Use “canons” to refer to the specific individual laws within the system.
Their bullshit goes way past their refusal to perform a life saving abortion. They screwed up a murder investigation. Redwood memorials icu doctor should be fired and brought up on charges. They willfully ignore patients so the doctor and nurses can have sex in the hospital ON SHIFT. EXTREMELY INAPPROPRIATE. THREW A INVESTIGATION UNDER THE BUS, BECAUSE THEY ARE TO STUPID TO CHECK THEIR OWN DIAGNOSIS. I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THEM PN ALLOWING FPRTUNAS SECOND SERIAL KILLER GO FREE!! ABSOLUTE MORONS.
Only in humboldt could thing be this wrong, and nobody does a damn thing. . THANK YOU BONTA.
While bonta is focused on humboldt he should also take a look at the fortuna police and the northern California fbi. The suck just as bad as providence!
You have mentioned a couple of times about the botched murder investigation with a serial killer. Can you tell us more? I am very curious.
Who cares? It’s all made up anyway… by men… in order to control women and folks they want to oppress
i spell it like this: F$!K RELIGION! And keep it out of my healthcare choices!
Then go elsewhere. Oh wait… can’t do that because there is no “elsewhere ” to go? Ever wonder why? It’s pretty simple. The Federal government mandated a reimbursement system that favors urban populations, simultaneously mandated care and safety costs that smaller populations can’t pay for, then limited private insurance in a way that forced it to operate according to their rules because the government subsidized only the insurance that met its mandates, thereby driving private insurance alternatives out of existence.
Without various governments exempting themselves from the high cost of their own mandated insurance, their employees would be forced on the government mandated insurance too. But they aren’t because the government just increases taxes to pay for it. Without these government covered private insurance plans, no local hospital would have the wherewithal to keep in business at all.
Well said and accurate
I spell it like this…
Start your own damn hospital…!!!
Good Luck…
And if you don’t like the church, just don’t go there, and simply take your healthcare choices somewhere else you like better…
If you get offered a recommended medevac transfer, take it…
If you get offered a recommended ambulance transfer take IT…
If you have a history of multiple miscarriages, and your specialized medical team is at UCSF, get medevac insurance, and avoid St Joe’s.
At the VERY FIRST sign of complications, get to UCSF ASAP, don’t wait a week dithering, going back and forth to St Joe’s, refusing emergency transfer and transport, and pressing your luck…
Thank you. Now I will be able to sleep tonight
I also find it both a bit intriguing and quite telling that in the red An[n]a Nusslock video link in the 14th paragraph, Anna Nusslock fails to even mention BOTH the medevac transfer to UCSF, AND the Ambulance transfer to Mad River Hospital, that Providence St. Joseph offered to arrange for her…
I forgot to mention OPEN DOOR CLINIC in fortuna who intentionally loses patient files to keep from being sued! Straight criminal.
There is no reason the hick leaders of humboldt should let this get this bad. Of coarse humboldt locals tend to have A.D.D, AND A.D.H.D. EVEN THE POLICE AND HOSPITAL ARE FULL OF PEOPLE INCAPABLE OF PAYING ATTENTION. somebody needs to tell fortuna to dig up the leaded water pipes in that town. The rate of a.d.d in that town is unbelievable.
I understand people’s religious beliefs. Everyone is entitled to their faith. This is a hospital that has a duty to save lives of men, women, and children, first and foremost.Their religious rights should not supersede their duty as a hospital. If that’s a problem for Providence St. Joseph’s, then they shouldn’t be in the hospital business.
Then do what makes a difference, don’t utilize their services. First amendment is first for a reason. Use Mad River, make them bow to your wishes, or sue to have Six Rivers do it, or fricken’ taco bell. The oath is first do no harm, you could ask the about to be aborted fetus it’s opinion, I could guess what that would be. You obviously don’t ‘understand’.
Although the article phrased it as such, the issue is likely more nuanced with the religious objection being their interpretation as to whose rights- the woman’s risk to health and life itself or the fetus’s life- need to be taken into account in deciding whether an abortion is an required emergency treatment. It’s an irreconcilable difference in cases where the religious view is an abortion is murder if the fetus still is alive and likely doomed but the clinical view is that an abortion is simply health care as the fetus has no rights.
Although the hyperlink in the article says it’s to the bishop’s statement in question, it is only to a staffing list. https://johnchiv.blogspot.com/2025/08/santa-rosa-diocese-bishop-robert-vasa.html does give more information but even that doesn’t give the actual statement so it’s all speculation at this point.
The blythe assumption that some other, non-religious entity will choose to operate St. Joe’s if the Catholic Church pushes to sell rather than acquiesce is unspoken with the State. But how likely is it?
Bishop Vasa was the Bishop that revoked the Catholic imprimur of St Charles hospital in Bend Oregon several years ago over the issues of tubal ligation and abortion. I believe the hospital is now run by a consortium of local governments. I shudder to think our city and county governments will take sole control of health care in Humboldt
That’s a whole lot of money and responsibility to mismanage.
THANKS, ROB!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Ryan Hutson,
Exactly whose quote was this…???
“hemorrhaging at an alarming rate,”…???
To be clear…
As far as this statement…
“The Attorney General’s team also addressed the medical facts of Ana Nusslock’s case being disputed by the Hospital, noting that by the time she arrived at Mad River Hospital, she was…”
” “hemorrhaging at an alarming rate,” “…
____________________________________________
…does not specifically identify the individual that made that particular statement, nor their level of medical expertise, if any, or whether they were MERELY an unidentified attorney, ENTIRELY without medical expertise.
Upon close inspection, it would appear that the statement…
“by the time she arrived at Mad River Hospital, she was…’…
…“hemorrhaging at an alarming rate,” “…
…………..
Is a mashup of what the author is saying, mixed with what an attorney from the Attorney General team said…
and that would imply it was not among “medical facts, being “addressed” which were actually stated by a doctor, at all…
Just EXACTLY and SPECIFICALLY, whose EXACT quote is that being attributed by the author to have specifically been…???
A DOCTOR’S…???
If so, which doctor, exactly, said it, please…???
Dr. Mick’s from Mad River Hospital, that performed the D&E..???
I see an exact quote…
…“hemorrhaging at an alarming rate,” “…
But, who exactly, said it…???
That remains kind of a mystery…
Ryan Hutson is attributed to be the QUOTER…
But, I see NO ATTRIBUTION to the ONE being QUOTED…
And…
Why isn’t this “lead up” part of the statement NOT ALSO in quotes in the article…???
“by the time she arrived at Mad River Hospital, she was”
Did one or more member of “The Attorney General’s team”, “say” it,…???
Did a medical professional “say” it…???
Or did a reporter, Ryan Hutson, “say” it…
And as far as this part, the quoted statement…
…” “hemorrhaging at an alarming rate” “…
PLEASE…
Who, exactly, said IT…???
Is it specifically the opinion of an unidentified ACTUAL DOCTOR…???
Because, it sure doesn’t seem to be…
Or is it , instead, just an out of context snippet of the unprofessional OPINION of merely an unidentified, unmedically trained AG attorney…???
Because it would sure seem that way, to me…
Please, “just to be clear”, whose quote, exactly and specifically, is this…
.” “hemorrhaging at an alarming rate” “…???
And, also, please, “just to be clear”…
Just EXACTLY whose quote is THIS, that immediately preceded it…???
…”by the time she arrived at Mad River Hospital, she was”…
???
Please, for clarification and verification, purposes, please identify your source or sources to these specific statements…
Because I’m virtually certain that I’ve seen that second exact partial statement before, in a slightly different context, but regarding this same “issue”…
Thank you for for your consideration into a clarification…
Here it is…
https://kymkemp.com/2025/02/16/california-ag-fights-providence-st-josephs-attempt-to-dismiss-lawsuit-over-denied-emergency-abortion-care/
Within the fifth paragraph…
“➡️By the time she arrived at Mad River Community Hospital, she was hemorrhaging⬅️ uncontrollably on the gurney.
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Compare THAT to THIS article’s statement…
“The Attorney General’s team also addressed the medical facts of Anna Nusslock’s case being disputed by the Hospital, noting that ➡️by the time she arrived at Mad River Hospital, she was “hemorrhaging⬅️ at an alarming rate,…”
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Hmmm…
It would seem that,
“at an alarming rate”,
has been merely substituted for,
“uncontrollably on the gurney”,
after,
“by the time she arrived at Mad River Hospital, she was “hemorrhaging…”,
vs, …
…after…
“By the time she arrived at Mad River Community Hospital, she was hemorrhaging…”,
respectively…
Hmmm…
It would seem that the origin/source of the statement…
“by the time she arrived at Mad River Hospital, she was “hemorrhaging…”,
… as written in TODAY’S article…
…didn’t/ couldn’t pot have actually originated from the hearing on Friday, that this article has described, at all..
Because,…
…the source of the nearly IDENTICAL statement…
“By the time she arrived at Mad River Community Hospital, she was hemorrhaging…”,
…seems like it must have clearly originated more than six months ago, on February 16, 2025, or before…
It would therefore be very helpful, to please identify any and all sources of the statement(s)…
“The Attorney General’s team also addressed the medical facts of Anna Nusslock’s case being disputed by the Hospital, noting that by the time she arrived at Mad River Hospital, she was “hemorrhaging at an alarming rate,…”
…for clarification…
Why was “…at an alarming rate.”, substituted in this article, for “uncontrollably on the gurney”, (as written the previous article), after, “…hemorrhaging”…???
I mean, I DO realize that the RHBB statement from more than six months ago…
….”By the time she arrived at Mad River Community Hospital, she was hemorrhaging uncontrollably on the gurney.”…
(Clearly and obviously NOT a “medical fact”.)
…directly implies that Anna Nusslock was/even could possibly have been, somehow, INEXPLICABLY, ”hemorrhaging ON THE GURNEY”, BEFORE, (“By he time”), she ARRIVED at Mad River Community Hospital”
(She did not “arrive” on/via a “gurney”…)
And, so, that just wasn’t/isn’t even possible, not then, or now, so maybe that’s why it has morphed today into…
“The Attorney General’s team also addressed the medical facts of Ana Nusslock’s case being disputed by the Hospital, noting that by the time she arrived at Mad River Hospital, she was “hemorrhaging at an alarming rate,” “
Note:
The mere opinions of ”The Attorney General’s team”, are, in fact, NOT “medical facts”…!!!
The law hopefully will decide a woman has a right to survive and live. Their religious beliefs, and their interpretation of the rights of the mother or the fetus to live, does not decide the law. They can object, and still have the obligation to protect the life of the mother, as she is seeking medical care in a serious life or death situation.
Then the State needs to pay for the laws it promulgates rather than the continuous stream of unfunded mandates they use to get their way now. It has to make a choice to pay for the actual cost of health care for all. Not just government employees.
Ha, my little inarticulate negative shadow! Think unfunded mandates are really the best?
If St Joes accepts California taxpayer dollars (MEDI-CAL) should it not be required to serve California citizens and follow California law?
I believe this problem all stems from the fact of Humboldt County selling the county hospital to a church. And we as citizens were betrayed by the county and should do whatever is required to get our county hospital back.
WE ARE NOT ALL CATHOLICS, AND OUR MEDICAL CARE SHOULD NOT BE DETERMINED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
We need non religious, medically based health care.
If St Joes accepts taxpayer dollars, it should abide by California law. Or else close up shop and force everyone in Humboldt to do the four hour slog to Santa Rosa for medical care.
Congratulations on at least seeing what the choice would be in reality.
California Health & Safety Code §123420 says that no hospital or provider can be required to perform an abortion if it is contrary to their beliefs or policies.
This was written to balance the right of patients to access abortion with the right of religiously affiliated institutions (like Catholic hospitals) to refuse.
2. Federal Protection
The Church Amendments (1970s federal laws) also protect hospitals and individuals from being forced to provide abortions or sterilizations if it violates their religious beliefs.
They are only required to provide an abortion if it is a medical emergency. Thus the ongoing court case.
But yes, religious doctrine should not come into play regarding medical care. It’s a slippery slope.
Every mandate is a slippery slope in one direction or another. Which is why the national Constitution is all about limiting government authority while the California Constitution starts with talking about freedom then it’s first article launches into “The state shall not deny or interfere with an individual’s reproductive freedom in their most intimate decisions, which includes their fundamental right to choose to have an abortion and their fundamental right to choose or refuse contraceptives.” and then interpreting that as the State shall interfere anytime it wants. Oh well.
“California Health & Safety Code §123420 says that no hospital or provider can be required to perform an abortion if it is contrary to their beliefs or policies.
This was written to balance the right of patients to access abortion with the right of religiously affiliated institutions (like Catholic hospitals) to refuse.”
2. Federal Protection
The Church Amendments (1970s federal laws) also protect hospitals and individuals from being forced to provide abortions or sterilizations if it violates their religious beliefs.
They are only required to provide an abortion if it is a medical emergency…”…
-Kris-
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So, does that mean than the original AG stipulation, setting forth that St. Joe’s was to provide services contrary to it’s own State and Federal protections, was unlawful and/or unconstitutional…???
Much better health care in the Medford/grants pass areas.
That’s beating a dead horse. At the current reimbursement under MediCal, the hospital loses money. They rely on private insurance to keep in business.
Hello! You are looking to the State as your solution. They are not. They are the problem. They both regulate what hospitals must spend yet what the State will pay for is less than what they mandate. If the State ponied up for the true cost of MediCal instead of legislating unfunded mandates, then the hospital would be a viable institution that could be sold to a non religious group. Certainly the County of Humboldt, which can’t fund what it spends now, couldn’t do it and wouldn’t even try.
If a hospital or doctors office is required to treat against their stated objections , why would anyone feel like going there for that service ? It will not be leading cutting edge if it is something they do not want to do and they will have little to no expertise preforming that or those . Just because someone is a doctor does not make them the best doctor , people who have to go to doctors are already not healthy.
when you look at the fact that women have babies all the time throughout the world with and without doctors care, yes it used to be a lot more life threatening then it tends to be today however having babies are what makes a woman special . A woman allows another life to feed off of her body until it has grown enough to be born , forever changing not just her body but the way her brain functions as well . However most women in the world do not have even a 10th of the services available to women in America today babies are pushed out in fields in ditches and the mothers and babies are just fine yes higher percentages are at risks from complications however sort of goes with the fact that genders both have weaknesses unique to each . So lets say the state wins it case, whats next ? Women getting upset because this hospital doesn’t invest in their preceived level of care and they have to become leading edge at risk to other areas ? What i do not understand is why most of these people complaining do nothing to bring any sort of second option here ? If you find a need then you can fill it either by starting your own what ever . Fact are welfare healthcare you get what you get and be grateful for it you want top level care then get out and make the money to by it. Most people have unrealistic ideas of what health care and insurance is and means anyways . Insurance is bought to covet unplanned results healthcare plans ate bought to cover normal check up day to day medical care . People expect that if they weight till it something gets to be life or death they can demand help , if i was st joes i would sell , as it is a no win the state is attempting to play zero sum game and will cave if forced to provide the services st joe provides as it is , the state csnt even allow people to build a home let alone pay for homeless lets see how the state covers healthcare they demand everyone buys insurance for but then discovers not enough hospitals left .
Time for Humboldt to get a General Hospital back. If you allow religious institutions to be the only place in town to be a hospital, then you are losing your freedoms. Let’s get another hospital to operate once again in Eureka so St. Joe’s isn’t the only choice.
How to do that when the ACA mandates care that small populations can’t afford? The county can’t even afford to retrofit it’s offices to meet California earthquake regulations much less the more stringent hospital ones.
Again, “Catholic religious “canon” “, has only one central “N”, not two…
It’s “canon”, not, ”cannon”…
“Arguing that the Hospital is first and foremost bound by Catholic religious [canon] as well as by California State law,…”
(Ninth paragraph…)
🤷♂️
Darn spell check…!!!
With all the money to be spent for the outcome of this issue, you probably could build 3 new hospitals which are desperately needed on the North coast.
I think you miss either how expensive hospitals are or overestimate how much courts cost.
““I think people would be surprised to hear that something like permitting can cost more than $8 million,” says Asadyari, who is managing construction of the new hospital tower at Scripps La Jolla. “This includes permits in advance of construction, permits required at various stages of construction, school district permits and funds for needed permit changes or amendments.”
The average US construction cost for a 500,000-square-foot modern tertiary hospital, for example, is about $325 million. A similar hospital built in San Diego or Los Angeles would cost more than $700 million to complete.”
Three of those would be over two billion. Even Bonta’s whole department won’t spend that in 10 years. But the waste is painful anyway.
https://www.scripps.org/news_items/7609-the-high-cost-of-building-california-hospitals
If you want to provide services to taxpayers, that pay for your services, then take the religion and politics out of it.
That is the trouble- the State of California does not pay for the services they mandate.
Politics is the largest religion on earth
If you’re against abortion {men}, get a vasectomy, and (women) don’t have sex with intact men.
Cause and effect
Canon vs. Cannon: Difference Between Two Powerful Words
https://www.yourdictionary.com/articles/canon-vs-cannon
(Ninth paragraph…)
(Only one of the two, (the Canon),will be admissable in court. The Cannon, not so much…!!!)
Note:
Just for clarification…
The red “Nusslock” hyperlink in the 20th paragraph, leads to a six month old pre hearing video, not to a pre hearing video from last Friday…
It’s also notable that in that hyperlinked video Anna Nusslock neglects to mention that she refused the Medevac transfer to UCSF that St Joe’s advised and recommended, AND ALSO neglects to mention that she ALSO refused the Ambulance transfer to Mad River Community Hospital that St Joe’s ALSO advised and recommended…
And by not making that very clear, in my opinion, it is a very deceptive omission of facts, in this case…
‘Your Protections Against Discrimination Based on Conscience and Religion’
https://www.hhs.gov/conscience/your-protections-against-discrimination-based-on-conscience-and-religion/index.html
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AI Overview
The Church Amendments are a set of 1970s federal laws, also known as conscience clauses, that protect healthcare providers and entities from being required to perform or assist in abortions, sterilizations, or biomedical/behavioral research that conflicts with their religious or moral beliefs.
Enacted in response to debates over federal funding and healthcare services, these laws prevent discrimination, such as firing or denying privileges, to those who refuse to participate in procedures they object to on religious or moral grounds.
Key Aspects of the Church Amendments
Protection of Conscience
They safeguard the right of individuals and organizations to refuse participation in medical procedures or research based on deeply held moral or religious convictions.
Scope of Application
The protections apply to individuals and entities that receive certain federal financial assistance from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).
Prohibited Actions
They prohibit requiring individuals to perform or assist in abortions or sterilizations that go against their beliefs.
Protection from Discrimination
The amendments prevent entities receiving federal funds from discriminating against applicants for training or study based on their refusal to participate in such services on moral or religious grounds.
No Coercion
The laws aim to ensure that health care access for all Americans does not require the violation of individual conscience.
Legal Basis
They are codified in the U.S. Code Title 42, Section 300a-7 (42 U.S.C. § 300a-7).
Context and History
The laws were created in the 1970s, a period when there were significant debates about whether receiving federal funding for health services should mandate participation in procedures like sterilization or abortion.
The amendments are part of a broader tradition of upholding religious liberty and conscience rights in the United States, stemming from the First Amendment of the Constitution.
From a previous RHBB article:
Does anyone else see a contradiction…???
https://kymkemp.com/2025/02/16/california-ag-fights-providence-st-josephs-attempt-to-dismiss-lawsuit-over-denied-emergency-abortion-care/
“By the time she arrived at Mad River Community Hospital, she was hemorrhaging uncontrollably on the gurney.
According to AG Bonta’s September Motion for Preliminary Injunction against St. Joes, “Dr. Elizabeth Micks performed a D&E on Anna. But on the way into the Mad River operating room, she spontaneously delivered Twin A on the hospital gurney. And by the time Anna was on the operating table, she was “actively hemorrhaging.” ”
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And they are both somewhat different that today’s article’s version…
“The Attorney General’s team also addressed the medical facts of Anna Nusslock’s case being disputed by the Hospital, noting that by the time she arrived at Mad River Hospital, she was “hemorrhaging at an alarming rate,…”
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“Telephone”, anyone…???
The county should confiscate that hospital and all of the Medicare and Medicaid funding going to it and make it a county hospital.
The Vatican need not be reimbursed. They have enjoyed a tax free status in this country for centuries. It is time they paid back.
Ryan,
St.Joseph Health, LLC….
Not, St Joseph “Heath” LLC…
(Paragraph 1, line 6 & 7)…
I’m a nurse, right? All staff at Provence should be paid a hella lot more than they are earning. Staffing should be respected in all ways. What about shining a light on wonderful healthcare folks, and CR’s nursing school? It was a tragic loss when HSU lost its excellent nursing school. We are rural, and this is what rural looks like. With our new government, let’s see what rural looks later. Brothers and Sisters ❤️.
We are rural. Hope our government doesn’t cur us out on funds. All lives matter.
No dentists here for certain insurance. Doctor specialists been checking out for years. People don’t have a clue to do even CPR, say we get the monster earthquake. The cell phones just fuck people up for critical thinking. Our cell phones are monitored people. Humans can be immensely fabulous. I think you are one of them!
Is it just me or are the same people who want to support Abortion are the same folks who want no kill animal shelters. A business should be able to live by their beliefs.
Hmmm…
‘The Progressive’…
https://progressive.org/magazine/the-original-abortion-bans-littlefield-20250624/
Actually got it pretty right…
“By the time she was wheeled into the operating room for her procedure, Nusslock had delivered one stillborn twin on the gurney and was, the doctor noted, “actively hemorrhaging.” ”
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Compare that to RHBB’s very different version…
“By the time she arrived at Mad River Community Hospital, she was hemorrhaging uncontrollably on the gurney.”
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And this article’s different even than the previous very different version, wherever it originated from…
“The Attorney General’s team also addressed the medical facts of Anna Nusslock’s case being disputed by the Hospital, noting that by the time she arrived at Mad River Hospital, she was “hemorrhaging at an alarming rate,”
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SMDH…!!!
Its remarkable to me that there are so many, very different versions of what really should ALL be nearly the exact same true version.
From the most evidentiary source available….
Actually, “Dr. Micks noted that she was “actively hemorrhaging” “on the operating table”…
For reference…
The fact that a tax-free religious organization believes that they have a right to accept taxpayer money by atheists and LGBT but cannot provide state-of-the-art medical care is disgusting. They are a virtual monopoly, not a charity, and I can assure you that they have received plenty of money for what care the nice people there try to provide despite their religious overlords stuck in medieval theocratic dogma based on a compilation of writings collected by ancient male supremacist men who thought slavery was a good idea and virgins can give birth.
Old doesn’t mean good, and in this case, old means really, really bad. Especially when it conflicts with medical science.
Until religion finds a way to regrow amputated limbs, proves resurrection is possible, or that prayer cures cancer, it should stay out of healing business.
I have reported this to the Freedom From Religion Foundation for possible legal assistance in this important fight for separation of church & state (in this case, government tax dollars from people like me who despise fake belief systems)
The fact that a tax-free religious organization believes that they have a right to accept taxpayer money by atheists and LGBT but cannot provide state-of-the-art medical care is disgusting. They are a virtual monopoly, not a charity, and I can assure you that they have received plenty of money for what care the nice people there try to provide despite their religious overlords stuck in medieval theocratic dogma based on a compilation of writings collected by ancient male supremacist men who thought slavery was a good idea and virgins can give birth.
Old doesn’t mean good, and in this case, old means really, really bad. Especially when it conflicts with medical science.
Until religion finds a way to regrow amputated limbs, proves resurrection is possible, or that prayer cures cancer, it should stay out of healing business.
I have reported this to the Freedom From Religion Foundation for possible legal assistance in this important fight for separation of church & state (in this case, government tax dollars from people like me who despise fake belief systems)