$2 Million Greenlit for Eel River Water Diversion Project

Representative Jared Huffman speaking.

Representative Jared Huffman speaking. [Photo by Sarah Reith]

The Department of Reclamation has put $2 million towards the next phase of designing a facility to continue diverting water from the Eel River into the Russian after PG&E removes the Potter Valley hydropower project dams.

Congressman Jared Huffman made the announcement at the south boat ramp of the Coyote Valley Dam at Lake Mendocino on Friday, along with representatives from state and federal agencies, the Round Valley Indian Tribes, and conservation groups. He told the assembled dignitaries that, “I drafted language in Congress to create this new program for the Bureau, the Aquatic Ecosystem Restoration Program, very much with that kind of win-win water solution in mind — In fact, with this project in mind.”

The Aquatic Ecosystem Restoration Program is part of Biden’s Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. The check is made out to Sonoma Water, so the Eel Russian Project Authority, a group of governmental agencies and conservation groups, can bring the design of the diversion facility to 60%. Sonoma Water, which is part of the Authority, used a grant from the state Department of Water Resources to design the facility to its current 30%. The Authority is planning to build a set of pumps on the Eel River in Potter Valley, just above where Cape Horn Dam is now. If all goes according to plan, these will divert water through the tunnel between the watersheds seasonally, during high flows.

Huffman and Bureau of Reclamation Commissioner Camille Calimlin Touton indicated that future funding for the full design and construction of the facility is possible.

“I suspect at least in part they’re going to be looking at me to bring some money home,” Huffman told a friendly crowd. “That’s part of what I do.” He added that he suspects the Bureau’s “commitment to the design phase of this project signals a significant federal interest in seeing this project through, and I think this gives us an opportunity to explore construction funding when we get to that phase as well.”

from left: James Russ, Tribal Administrator for Round Valley Indian Tribes; Davie Rabbitt,  Sonoma County  Supervisor and chair of the Eel Russian Project Authority; Chuck Bonham, Director of CDFW, Glenn McGourty, Mendocino County first district Supervisor; Jraed Huffman, Carl Stock, Regional Director Bureau of Reclamation; someone from Trout Unlimited (Matthew someone?) I think Curtis Knight from CalTrout.
Janet Pauli, Chair of the Mendocino County Inland Water and Power Commission and Potter Valley Irrigation District; Janet Walther, senior manager of hydropower licensing with PG&E; Bureau of Reclamation Commissioner Camille Calimlin Touton.

“This was the first iteration of Aquatic Ecosystem Restoration Program funding,” Touton said. “It’s brand new. We have $250 million as part of the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. I anticipate that as we move forward, there will be other funding announcements.”

PG&E, which owns and operates the Potter Valley Project, said last week that it needs an extra six months to file its final surrender application and decommissioning plan, nudging the date to next summer. Janet Walther, Senior Manager of hydropower licensing with PG&E, says she doesn’t expect it to delay the removal.

She thinks that, once the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, or FERC, grants the utility approval to remove the infrastructure, it would take a year to remove Scott Dam. “But we do not really have those details yet,” she acknowledged. “We have not yet finalized our work with our resource agencies to really determine the logistics and how that works. And the least impacts to the fisheries.”

Grant Davis, General Manager of Sonoma Water, spoke in the van on the way from Lake Mendocino to Cape Horn in Potter Valley. The roads to the dam were dotted with large signs beseeching viewers to save Lake Pillsbury, the reservoir impounded by Scott Dam. Davis anticipates that Sonoma County water users will have to pay a surcharge to keep the facility going, once it is in place and everyone knows how well it works and how much water it makes available. “I think the folks that are actually getting the water would be the ones that would be providing that level of funding,” he predicted. He thought the presence of Touton, from the Bureau of Reclamation, and Chuck Bonham, the Director of California Department of Fish and Wildlife, indicated that, “This is an exciting project. One that would certainly compete very well for federal and state dollars. And those dollars would be identified hopefully to help construct the facility.”

Don Seymour, Deputy Director of engineering with Sonoma Water, gave some details about water supply, which the agency has studied with modeling. “Without any interventions, such as curtailing water rights or reducing minimum flows lower than they’re supposed to be,” he qualified; “Lake Mendocino could go dry one to two times out of 10 years, on average….there could be interventions that could prevent that, but you are risking the water supply for 100,000 plus people that are above Dry Creek. So this is a big deal.”

And he said that a system called Forecast Informed Reservoir Operations, or FIRO (essentially using precise weather predictions with lots of data points to determine when it’s safe to release or retain water) is keeping tens of thousands of acre feet in the reservoirs. Since 2021, a pilot program has allowed the Army Corps of Engineers, which owns and operates Lake Mendocino, to retain 11,000 acre feet that would have otherwise been released for flood control. In Lake Sonoma, there is another project underway that’s retaining an additional 19,000 acre feet.

“That’s like another small reservoir,” he said. “That’s not through building any infrastructure. That’s completely through just re-operation and using advanced forecasting techniques that are becoming available.”

Josh Fuller, a scientist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, thinks the new facility will have benefits to salmon, by opening up prime habitat above Scott Dam. “NOAA Fisheries has done quite a bit of research above Scott Dam, and the habitat available up there,” he said. “We know that there are probably 100 miles for Chinook salmon and 200 miles for steelhead trout. A lot of high-value habitat, perennial streams, high-gradient streams where steelhead in particular can out-compete invasive pikeminnow. That’s a big concern in the river.”

Fuller and Bonham both anticipate that PG&E’s delay in filing its decommissioning application will prevent a longer delay later. There is currently a CDFW fish-counting station at Cape Horn Dam, and Bonham intends to continue “to have a monitoring program that’s overlaid with the restoration, so we can track success over time.”

Lake County, which has long argued for the preservation of Lake Pillsbury, did not send representatives to Lake Mendocino. Huffman placed the decision to remove the dams squarely on the shoulders of the Potter Valley Project’s owners. “I have, as you know, long supported the two-basin solution, which does embrace removal of Scott Dam,” he noted; “and that probably doesn’t make me the most popular guy in Lake County…But it’s PG&E’s dam, and they’re removing it.”

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Country Joe
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2 years ago

Remember in November that Representative Jarred Huffman stabbed us all in the back and stole our water.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Country Joe

This should be always referred to, and forever named the “Democrat Ecosystem Restoration Program”, or, DERP!, for short …

This is nothing but a wrongheaded, parasitic, ecosystem diversion…

Taking something life giving, in a harmful and unnatural way from where it belongs, by detrimental deviation, to a place that it doesn’t belong, and was NEVER intended to end up.

The “Great Redwood Trail”, through the Eel River Canyon, hasn’t even begun, but Huffman has no intention of letting that slow him down as far as hamstringing it, by depleting the very source of it’s it’s nature, beauty, and allure…

willow creeker
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Did you really think that they were just going to give up this source of water? You might be pretty gullible if you are surprised.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

You might be pretty gullible if you think that I am in any way surprised…

How did you possibly deduce that complete nonsense…???

I did make one error, though…

It’s “DERP!”

Democrat Ecosystem REDISTRIBUTION PROGRAMMING…

Country Joe
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

They have to steal water for all those thousands of acres of grapes planted in the last 20 years south along Hwy 101.

Hip to be square
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Hip to be square
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Trump said many times that solving California’s water issues was easy. Quit dumping it in the sea then you’ll have plenty of water.

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago

Typical Trump response.
Why does he insist on demonstrating his lack of understanding?

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Isn’t that what is actually being attempted by Huffman et al? As you say a “Typical Trump response?” To quote the article “bring the design of the diversion facility to 60%” before it goes out to sea.

LightCrust Doug
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LightCrust Doug
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Because he is too stupid to know how stupid he is.

Country Joe
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2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Actually, it’s a simple and best solution.

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
2 years ago
Reply to  Country Joe

If ignorance were water Humboldt County (or at least the RHBB comment section) would be a tropical rain forest.

The planned pump station diversion during high winter flows will have no appreciable impact on the Eel River.

But the removal of Scott and Cape Horn dams will make significant high value habitat above Scott dam accessible for the first time in over 100 years.

Leave it to the misinformed and fact challenged to pretend a victory for Eel River fisheries restoration is really a devious disaster.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

“…a victory for Eel River fisheries restoration…” …???

You must be joking, right…???

How do you figure…???

Nothing like a series of pumps in the Eel River to facilitate the ongoing, successful brainwashing of the many that are so easily duped.

Farmer
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Farmer
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

I mean essential it’s forbearance. Its not a totally bad plan

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Farmer

FORBEARANCE…???

EXCUSE ME …???

Clearly define…

“…seasonally, during high flows.”…

That’s pretty damn vague…!!!

Sounds like during the time that the fish are returning to spawn…

What will be the effects on the fish of the sounds that the pumps create…???

Will it disturb their upstream migration to spawn, and/or their return to the ocean…???

What will separate the young, newly hatched fish from being drawn into the pumps and killed…???

Luck of the “draw”…???

Give them an acre inch, and they will take an acre mile…!!!

Don’t give them a drop, or it will never stop…!!!

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Lacewing
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Lacewing
2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

The higher the flow, the deeper the river mouth, the cooler the water.

BTW: Insulting your audience doesn’t help to change minds.

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
2 years ago
Reply to  Lacewing

The proposed diversion at Cape Horn will have no appreciable impact on flow, scouring ability or water temperature, especially at the mouth.

I’m not invested in changing anyone’s mind, especially those commenting here, who are almost universally ignorant of the history, the impacts and how the diversion currently functions, and equally ignorant of the impacts of the proposed pump station diversion.

The decision to remove the dams has already been made and is moving forward which is a huge win for Eel River fisheries.

Anyone who fails to recognize that is truly ignorant of the impacts of the PVP as it currently functions and equally ignorant of the benefits of dam removal.

Lacewing
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Lacewing
2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

we agree on dam removal, I don’t agree with you on the benefits of diversion. I would like to see the Eel be its best self

Farmer
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Farmer
2 years ago
Reply to  Lacewing

Yes, but if we keep on living in absolutes, some will suffer immensely. Hopefully, forbearance will help to rechange groundwater during the dry months. It could slow and potentially stop desertification in Sonoma County. It sounds like a good plan that will need monitoring and modification based on what happens.

lol
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lol
2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

Why are you unnecessarily tying the removal of the dams to this diversion? The dams can be removed without any water being diverted.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

That’s bullshit…

What will be the number, pumping capacity, flow rate, and pumping duration, of the proposed “series of pumps”…???

Do you even have any idea…???

Until you do, you have no possible way to “appreciate” the “impact on flow”, do you…???

What solid information do you “currently” have…???

If the pumps as you say, “…will have no appreciable impact on flow…”, how could they possibly have any appreciable impact on the level of Lake Mendocino…???

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Sparky
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Sparky
2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

Are you supporting this double speak from a corrupt politician who supports genocide and is from Missouri? The “high value habitat” died off years ago. Humboldt is watching and some of us are not fooled by greedy “greenlit” lawyers and their word salads .

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
2 years ago
Reply to  Sparky

You say “the high value habitat died off years ago” which means you must have missed this part of the story:

‘ “NOAA Fisheries has done quite a bit of research above Scott Dam, and the habitat available up there,” he said. “We know that there are probably 100 miles for Chinook salmon and 200 miles for steelhead trout. A lot of high-value habitat, perennial streams, high-gradient streams where steelhead in particular can out-compete invasive pikeminnow.’

You did read the story before commenting, didn’t you?

Wasn’t me….it was the dog
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Wasn’t me….it was the dog
2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

Hate to be a stickler, but these dam removals, Klamath and Eel, are going to require a tremendous amount of work post-removal to get the fish to return to those areas.

Anadromous fish return to the same creek in which they spawned, year after year, some do get lost but that’s a small minority. Just because the dams are removed does not mean fish are going to return to any of those areas. They will still return to the same creeks, year after year, BELOW the area where the dams were, like they have for the last 100 years. There are going to have to be decades of fish releases in all those new tributaries before those areas will start seeing fish return.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  Sparky

Not to get into the politics here, but Huffman has been in California for 42 years or so. He went from high school in MO in 1982 to UCSB and has been a California resident ever since. I just found that bit weird.

Boffin
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2 years ago

It’s weird someone from Missouri went to University in Santa Barbara and decided to stay in California?

I’d think it was weird if he had gone back.

CannedLaughter&Co
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CannedLaughter&Co
2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

That’s hard to believe when we’re at the rivers in the summertime and they are barren with toxic algae

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Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
2 years ago

You’re aware that releases from stored water in Lake Pillsbury means that Eel River flows in summer and late fall actually exceed natural flow?

Which means removal of the dams and removal of stored water will result in diminished summer and fall flows, but will also open up high value habitat above Scott Dam.

Two Dogs
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Two Dogs
2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

Historically 70% of the fish on the Eel spawned below the dam.

lol
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lol
2 years ago
Reply to  Two Dogs

Where you getting that?

Unimpressed
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Unimpressed
2 years ago

The river used to be deeper riffles averaging 12 to 24 inches deep that warms up the water decreases oxygen increases algae bloom also the suckers or algae eaters have dwindled in population and size

Antichrist
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Antichrist
2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

So you do not fully understand just how badly the lower flows of the eel river has bot only impacted the river itself , but also the channel and the bay into which it flows , high water flows flush sediments out of the river channel keeping the river deep and their by cooler so that algae has a harder time growing and allowing more idea water temps for the fish .
this is nothing but a politician working hard to steal resources for his wealthy supporters while attempting to convince the lower income people and there by in most peoples thoughts less educated voters that he is doing something that will help them .
the sad part about it is how effective such actions are and the more one attempts to open the eyes of the ones who are fooled the more a person appears to arguing with a child and everyone knows the moment you argue with a child is the moment a child has defeated you .

Two Dogs
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Two Dogs
2 years ago
Reply to  Antichrist

Sonoma Water District had plans drawn for massive water catchment in their drainages decades ago, but decided to divert instead.

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
2 years ago
Reply to  Antichrist

Um. What bay? The Eel River empties into the Pacific, not Humboldt Bay. Their mouths are 8-ish miles apart.

Country Joe
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2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

I hope this makes it to you in your tropical rain forest. The diversions aren’t limited to high winter flows and if you think they will be, you’re living in a fantasy land.

Unimpressed
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Unimpressed
2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

Humboldt is a sub tropical rain forest

Wasn’t me….it was the dog
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Wasn’t me….it was the dog
2 years ago
Reply to  Unimpressed

Temperate rainforest**

lol
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lol
2 years ago
Reply to  Country Joe

I will vote for anyone but Huffman, anyone!

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  Country Joe

How much energy will this pumping take in a world where the people who made energy so expensive for all of the public are the same pushing this subsidy for southern California? Oh and calling posters names is something Kym frowns on.

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

Please explain how any part of the current or proposed diversion is “a subsidy for Southern California.”

Bozo
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Bozo
2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

Everything south of the Humboldt County line… is Southern California.

Libertybiberty
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Libertybiberty
2 years ago
Reply to  Country Joe

Huffman smuffman

Bozo
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Bozo
2 years ago

>”Aquatic Ecosystem Restoration Program”

Yup. Classic example of a backroom political deal. Translation: ‘Follow the money’.
He bought out an Indian tribe, (with no mention of downstream tribal interests, although they may be ‘back-room’ involved).

Meanwhile. Yay !
Remove Klamath Dams ! Remove Klamath Dams !
Followed by: Install pumping station on the Eel ! Install pumping station on the Eel !

Assembled a band of high-value ‘talking heads’ trotted out to enlist support.

100 years from now ‘downstream’ Humboldt County will be fighting to remove the ‘pumping station’. Probably won’t matter though, there is no money here.

A long time ago, the Oregon border was drawn on the map 200 miles north of where it should be located.

Go figure.

Espino
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Espino
2 years ago

The remarkable part, you’ll keep voting for them. Over time people will find out the green they’re talking about in the “Green New Deal”. Pathetic

Mr. Clark
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2 years ago
Reply to  Espino

I dont get why. Why do so many vote for these corrupt and incompetent people and proposals? Are the lies so believable they fall for them? Are they brainwashed so well, they would never vote out of party? Some on here will tell us how great the economy is, all the jobs, high wages, utopian prosperity. Build back better with the green new deal…..
But they wont open their eyes and see the dead salmon on the river bank.

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

The November election will add always be about personal economic situation, with a bit of immigration, crime, and right to kill thrown in.

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

If a national party doesn’t run a candidate, that candidate remains unknown to the electorate. Candidates are chosen by a small select group of party members. And they choose who serves that small group. And then shuffles them around as they are term limited out.
The right wing contributed to the problem of the all powerful party by pushing Prop 140 on term limits. Rural communities had tended to send the same representatives back year after year. Those people accumulated power in the legislature and party politics tended to support them for that power. Their public knew them and they were hard to dislodge if the voters were satisfied.
Now, even if they are recognized by the community and supported, they are out after two terms. The party has a constant new opportunity to exert its power in choosing and they don’t care about local issues. Rural people lost the power of their votes.
So congratulations to the fools who now want to impose the same stupidity on the national stage because all they can see in that they have unending Pelosi types. They think they can get rid of the Pelosis by term limits but never think about who will replace the ones they hated. Those replacements are going to be totally subservient to the party that nominates them. No more one strong individual, for good or evil, but a series of party nominated newbies who don’t know how to work the system and will be controlled by their parties. Parties chosen by no voters at all.
So who elects these party hacks? Is there a mirror handy?

old guy
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old guy
2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

the devil you know beats the devil ou don’t you say ?
huffman is a tool in every sense of the word.

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Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  old guy

I wouldn’t even mind the devil I don’t know so much. It’s a system where the only choice is that which serves the parties and gives them all the voter’s power that ticks me off. The fact that it is so likely that a national election will be between Trump and Biden, neither reasonable choices and both scary, that has highlighted this deteriorating democracy.
For the first time in my life, I keep hoping that some improbable hollywood happy ending will magically occur. That some Jimmy Stewart like, Mr Simth Goes to Washington character will arise and save us. Only the public wouldn’t support him if he did.

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  old guy

I wouldn’t even mind the devil I don’t know so much. It’s a system where the only choice is that which serves the parties and gives them all the voter’s power that ticks me off. The fact that it is so likely that a national election will be between Trump and Biden, neither reasonable choices and both scary, that has highlighted this deteriorating democracy.
For the first time in my life, I keep hoping that some improbable hollywood happy ending will magically occur. That some Jimmy Stewart like, Mr Simth Goes to Washington character will arise and save us. Only the public wouldn’t support him if he did.

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Umm…They don’t go to the river bank. And “yes” in answer to your 2nd and 3rd questions…Democracy is a great concept and it sure looks good on paper. But it takes an informed and active population to make it work. As the issues have become more complex and the marketing agents have become ever so seductive and misleading it has become a shitshow where most people are manipulated to actually vote against their own interests. The media is daily focusing on personality quirks of our leading presidential candidates with not much attention to the issues that will guide our country forward…I guess that’s what people want? Gossip and “gotchas” more than the actual issues?…America is almost a case study in how democracy fails

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Dead salmon on the riverbank?
Are you sure you’re commenting on the right article?

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

Why did you post a link about the Klamath for an article about the Eel?

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

You can’t be serious… you think a different river name means the issue is not the same?

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

OK
Then explain it to me.
What about the article that you posted has anything to do with this project?

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Yabut also said this project subsidizes southern California!

When challenges to explain he quietly took the post down.

His attempt to equate the Klamath and Eel systems seems equally off base so it’s no surprise he’s ignored you twice when you’ve asked him to explain the connection.

Oh, he did say they were both rivers, just with different names – I guess that explains it!

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

I didn’t take anything down. In fact only subscribing members or moderators can take stuff down. Likely my comment disappeared because the moderator removed the original comment because it contained a name-calling insult and my response went with it. But you’d have to ask them.
But for why it’s important to you randomly respond to Jeb’s strawman comment, there’s always this famous quote “Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.” – Eleanor Roosevelt

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

Yabut said:
“Likely my comment disappeared because the moderator removed the original comment because it contained a name-calling insult and my response went with it.”

Sounds reasonable. My assumption that you took down your post alleging the diversion project subsidizes Southern California was likely in error.

But please explain how this project benefits Southern California.

BTW, Eleanor Roosevelt had a great speech writer! But I’m not sure how many people, you, me and her included, consistently hit the mark she set.

Oh, back to Jebs, in what ways are the Klamath and Eel issues the same except they both involve dam removal?

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

I have not taken any comments made by the Yabut name ever. Is this the comment you are looking for? https://kymkemp.com/2024/06/09/2-million-greenlit-for-eel-river-water-diversion-project/#comment-1736556

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

No.

It was a post by Yabut that stated the funding [that Huffman secured for the diversion project] “subsidizes Southern California” – I then asked him to explain in what way.

We all makes mistakes but claiming the diversion, current or proposed, has any impact beyond Marin, displays a serious lack of knowledge about what the project entails.

I believe you wouldn’t delete it (why would you) but Yabut posits you may have deleted a comment it was in reply to – IDK but I’m still interested in hearing how the diversion subsidizes SoCal.

Boffin
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2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

Maybe they think Sonoma and Marin are SoCal?

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  Boffin

I do.

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  Boffin

Heck I consider anything south of Garberville Southern California.

Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  Truth Be Told

When a comment is take out, the responses go with it. I never said my comment was rdmoved but the comment I was relying to.
Anyway it is silly to insist that you have the power to force a response just by demanding it.

Truth Be Told
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Truth Be Told
2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

Reading comprehension can be challenging but please desist from trying to put words in my mouth.

I said: “I’m still interested in hearing how the diversion subsidizes SoCal.”

How can you twist that into:
“It is silly to insist you have the power to force a response just by demanding it”?

I didn’t expect you to admit you were flat wrong about the diversion subsidizing Southern California but there’s no need to falsely construe my comments. What would Eleanor Roosevelt think?

And I’d still be interested in your explanation of how the issue is the same for both the Eel and Klamath dam removal projects because I’m not seeing it on my own.

Country Joe
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2 years ago
Reply to  Espino

It’s the green in their pockets they’re concerned about, not us.

spamned
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spamned
2 years ago

Surprise!!

not

Mr. Clark
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2 years ago

Hey Jar, how is this even legal? You are allowing water diversion form a river used by endanger fish. WTF……………….

Where is the coastal commission?
Where is the EPA?
Where is the sierra club?
Where is green peace?
Where is epic?

Bozo
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Bozo
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

All you hear are ‘crickets chirping away’.

Follow the money.

sfgnm
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sfgnm
2 years ago
Reply to  Bozo

How do any of them profit from failing to fight this?

Mr. Clark
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2 years ago
Reply to  sfgnm

Follow the money. All those environmental groups give this a pass because it’s “good” for the environment. The fake studies show. And they agree with these fake studies along with receiving a nice donation to their cause.

Bozo
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Bozo
2 years ago
Reply to  sfgnm

Back room politics.

Politician has a project that he want’s support on.
Staffers then call ‘XXX’ organization.
Politician says… so, you want support for your ‘Dune Spider’ project ?
Get on board with this and I will see that you get that project supported.
XXX organization comes out with glowing press release (or remains silent).

Easy done.

Big projects… influence peddling may go far ‘deeper’ than this scenario.

Lacewing
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Lacewing
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

They are all drinking Sonoma County wine

Country Joe
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2 years ago
Reply to  Lacewing

Free wine and many perks.

Gary Whittaker
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Gary Whittaker
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Where are the Humboldt county elected officials? Did they supply the back room for all these big plans?

Country Joe
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2 years ago
Reply to  Gary Whittaker

Our supervisors should be outraged and standing up for our water rights, but they are silent. Follow the money.

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

The Eel River is under protection of the state and federal Wild & Scenic Rivers Act. This new means of diversion needs to scrutinized under the Wild & Scenic Rivers Act.

What do “Friends of the Eel River” or “CalTrout” think of this backroom diversion deal, that will not benefit the Eel River, only those to the south.

Since I can remember, all I ever heard was “Free the Eel”, from many groups and organizations. And now I know what that means. “Free the Eel” = control more of its flow to the south via the Russian River watershed. And I guess, you reap what you sow…

https://freetheeel.org/about-us/

https://srp-prod-public-pdfs.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/5-36nsEyiHq_Zjm61SwVSR7bEaU.pdf

Map-of-Eel-Russian-Watersheds
Yabut
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Yabut
2 years ago
Reply to  Ed Voice

The sad thing is that the inevitable “water emergency” down south will happen and politicians will “reluctantly and carefully” pump water when they have promised not to do it. A few of these emergencies will then be seen as needing a “formal plan”, it will then be normalized and become routine. As if there was ever going to be a demand by politicians for public self restraint on water use … the voters are not here where the water is. Voters will very democratically take it.

Jeffersonian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

Thats an excellent point

Country Joe
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2 years ago
Reply to  Yabut

There will always be an excuse to take more water all year long. Huffman really screwed us.

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago
Reply to  Ed Voice

It was never real. It was just a dream some of us had…..

Country Joe
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2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Where are our Supervisors?

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago
Reply to  Country Joe

They seem to be avoiding this subject. Why???

Lacewing
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Lacewing
2 years ago

Wine, Wine, and more Wine

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
2 years ago
Reply to  Lacewing

Vineyards, vineyards everywhere and not an oak tree in sight, all gone. The town of Sebastopol, famous for their Gravenstein apples, hardly has a Gravenstein orchard to be found, all converted to vineyards. Woodland foothills everywhere graded down, cut and filled, and reshaped like putty to allow better access for mechanized equipment. I thought we were supposed to be saving oak woodland carbon sinks? Guess not. In recent years, there have been so many wine grapes produced in Napa//Sonoma, that many were unable to be sold, leaving hundreds of thousands of pounds of grapes to rot on the vines, unpicked. BTW, does our esteemed Esq, Huffbagger own a vineyard or shares in a winery? Just wondering. The bottom line of this whole water sucking scam is grapes can be dry farmed after getting initially established, and watering them continuously means their shallow root system will need water for the vines lifetime. What a waste of water.

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago
Reply to  Lacewing

Let’s not forget cattle.
People like to blame wine and houses- which do use a lot of water,
but Sonoma’s cattle industry is also a huge consumer of that water.

Mr. Clark
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2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

No it’s not And you have no idea as usual what you are talking about.

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Sonoma County has nearly a half million acres of pasture.
https://www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/AgCensus/2022/Online_Resources/County_Profiles/California/cp06097.pdf
This uses a lot of water.
Do you have a source showing that the cattle industry does not use irrigation?

CsMisadventures
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CsMisadventures
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Clark

Well, the cattle themselves drink water. Also, the hay they eat has to be grown. That takes a lot of water, regardless of where it exactly is grown. Too much pull and not enough catchment.

Dumboldt
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Dumboldt
2 years ago

Congressman Jared Huffman. You slimeballs need to Stop killing the EEL. This is about to be stopped and put back the way it should be and you are going to go F it up and give rights to people who have no right to the water. None of this water should go south. Stop hating on Humboldt. Let the EEL run free you bastards. Stop doing the bidding of the people who give you money to do the wrong thing. Just do the right thing.

CannedLaughter&Co
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CannedLaughter&Co
2 years ago
Reply to  Dumboldt

It’s a done deal. Sadly.

Comment McComenter
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Comment McComenter
2 years ago
Reply to  Dumboldt

Moral rights or legal rights? CA water rights (legal) are complex and some go back 100+ years. Humboldt lost the legal rights before any of us were born.

Country Joe
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2 years ago
Reply to  Dumboldt

Remember his treachery when he’s up for reelection.

Gary Whittaker
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Gary Whittaker
2 years ago

Humboldt had no say or county officials didn’t utter a word about a continued stolen river.
Stealing the river during “high flows” is a pipe dream. Flows were never an interest before, why would they matter now? As long as the vineyards get irrigated is all that matters.

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago
Reply to  Gary Whittaker

Our esteemed Humboldt County Board of Supervisors raise no complaint, not even a comment. They are paid very well to represent our interests. Where are they?! Creating abatement programs to predate and grab outrageous taxes and fees from their own residents. Crooks all of them…

Jeffersonian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

They actually support continued diversion. They are traitors, too.

Gary Whittaker
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Gary Whittaker
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

Wouldn’t trust them any further than I could crap them.

I like stars
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I like stars
2 years ago

Water thieves.

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago

Oh- it’s “Aquatic Ecosystem Restoration”! That’s just great!!! I thought it was “Stealing Water From An Already Struggling River With Endangered Species To Feed Rich People Vineyards and Supply That Stolen Water To Massive Development In a County That Refuses To Build It’s Own Water Storage”….I’m so glad that wonderful Huffman has cleared that up for us all…

Timb0
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2 years ago

The Potter Valley diversion from the Eel to the Russian river was always a crisis for Humboldt and a win for SoCo. It should and must end when the dam is removed. It shouldn’t rely on the number of voters in the districts, but the amount of fight in the population of the damaged areas. It takes a hundred years to straighten out the mess that politicians make in trying to get re-elected. If diversion and storage is a good thing, then why are the Klamath dams being taken down. Same difference.

lol
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lol
2 years ago

Well democracy is failing us on this one. Maybe we’ll see some of the old-fashioned “Eco terrorist” set things straight?

Jeffersonian
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2 years ago

Jared Huffman is a traitor to the North Coast. He cares nothing about the Eel River. Hes a water stealer. Just like the characters in “Chinatown”. Hes a phoney of the worst magnitude.

Gary Whittaker
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Gary Whittaker
2 years ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

Huffman does exactly what his handlers tell him to do. Next time he has a zoom town hall meeting try asking a question and see what you get.

FogDog
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FogDog
2 years ago

Huffman again ceded the natural resources of humboldt for the good of the state and national interests over local citizens and ecosystems. The same with offshore wind. We’re going to export our natural resources whether we want to or not without compensation, it seems. Lets remember these deeds come election day. Maybe a third party challenger will emerge?

Gary Whittaker
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Gary Whittaker
2 years ago
Reply to  FogDog

The north coast got redistricted out of Congressional representation a few census ago without a word said by Humboldt or del Norte elected officials. We need to have our own, not some bozo from the bay area who decides our futures.

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago
Reply to  Gary Whittaker

We have representation. A vote cast for our Representative from Humboldt or Del Norte counts just the same as a vote cast in Mendocino, Sonoma, or Marin
And Humboldt’s political leanings align much more closely with the counties to the South than with the counties to the East.

Bozo
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Bozo
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Marin and Sonoma = outskirts of SF. Big urban money dominates.

>”Humboldt’s political leanings align much more closely with the counties to the South”
Hohum State is populated by SF and LA Rip-Offs. Best thing would be to send the college down to Santa Rosa. Would fit perfectly with SF mentality.

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago
Reply to  Bozo

They already have Sonoma State.
And have you not noticed that Humboldt leans heavily Democratic-
even without the college students’ votes.

Bozo
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Bozo
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Most of the SF & LA ripoffs came here from Rumbolt State.

Gary Whittaker
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Gary Whittaker
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

We have no Congressional representation in Humboldt or del Norte since Don Clauson. Staffers in Huffmans north coast offices NEVER answer their phones. San Rafael is where you have to call, they blab the “get back to you” excuse but don’t get back to you.

D'Tucker Jebs
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2 years ago
Reply to  Gary Whittaker

There are 764,000 people in the district.
Do you suppose you’d have better luck getting a call back if you lived in Sonoma?

Gary Whittaker
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Gary Whittaker
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

764,000 people need to show interest in this theft of our watershed. Put down the tok pipe and express your objection. Don’t expect much from your elected officials. It’s time they get de elected.

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Maybe YOUR interests do….as do many imported urban dwellers. Not mine. Not most I know who live outside of town…

Diablo Blanco
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Diablo Blanco
2 years ago

Now if we could just get the northern pikeminnow out of the river maybe that 100 miles of ecosystem that will be available could be beneficial for the salmon. I haven’t seen steelhead up river of McCan in years.

More ecosystem for the squaw fish to invade, great.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Diablo Blanco

“More ecosystem for the squaw fish to invade,…”…???

How do you figure…???

You do realize that the consensus seems to be that the, [Sacramento River], squaw fish were originally introduced into Lake Pillsbury, in the first place, don’t you…???

That Ecosystem above Scott Dam has been home to the Squaw Fish for the very longest…

What you should be asking yourself is…

What is going to keep the squaw fish from being further introduced into Lake Mendocino and the Russian River via this diversion…???

Gary Whittaker
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Gary Whittaker
2 years ago
Reply to  Diablo Blanco

Over population of Sea lions at the mouth of the eel consume the stocks of fish entering the river. That problem needs to be solved.

Diablo Blanco
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Diablo Blanco
2 years ago
Reply to  Gary Whittaker

Indeed, between the sea lions, the pikeminnows, and the silt from the dam removal the salmon are pretty much fucked.

Zipline
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Zipline
2 years ago

How about sonoma county drastically reduces the growing of grapes. Totally unnecessary crop that only benefit the landed gentry. Highly water dependent. Kind of like growing dope in the hills of Humboldt.

BIllyJr.
Member
2 years ago

Corrupt water placement with planned real estate development the public is unaware of is rife for corruption. All this story needs is Jack Nicholson wearing a Fedora and a bandage on his nose.

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Charlie Brown
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Charlie Brown
2 years ago

Why doesn’t that Demoncrats work on getting a solar powered desalinization plant in the Bay Area where all this water is needed. And they all the water they can strip the salt from. As opposed to taking life giving water from a nearly totally diverted river by the name of EEL….
He is a total politician as the snake in the grass just came out again….. Huffman is on it for all the money

D'Tucker Jebs
Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Charlie Brown

Because that’s not where most of this water will go.
This water will head to Sonoma where agriculture is the largest user-
mostly grapes and livestock.
And the Eel is not “nearly totally diverted”, as you say. In fact, this project calls for allowing a pretty much free-flowing river for all but a few of the wettest months.
It’s fine to have an opinion, but gathering the facts first is helpful.

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Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

You have to consider many folks here seem to be born and bred cement people who were raised to think windmills are cool while despising bird hunters and oil spills: no tree should ever be cut while living in wood houses and using shampoo; the dunes should be attacked by D6 cats scraping off all the vegetation in order to save a bird so stupid it nests on open dunes with no cover; cars and oil are bad while driving cars and wearing oil; and pussy hats are th€ solution to President Trump while Biden sniffs women’s and children’s hair. Yep. The best approach is to offer them a chocolate donut and an ice cold bong rip of gaslit grape. They will be happy all day.

tru matters
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tru matters
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

That’s a little harsh…

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  tru matters

Not as harsh as Chat GTP…

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

??,

?‍♂️

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

??,

“Because that’s not where most of this water will go.”

-Jebs-

…….

That makes no sense, Jebs…

The point is, is that is where it will COME FROM, INSTEAD OF, coming from the Eel River…

EITHER place the water might come from, is, “not where most of”, the, “water will go”…

Better for it to come from there, than for it to come from here…

That’s the point.

If you’ve supposedly got some facts, as you insinuate, don’t you think that sharing them might be helpful…???

“…this project calls for allowing a pretty much free-flowing river for all but a few of the wettest months.”…

…is pretty vague…

Not exactly the facts…

Why conceal the true nature of this proposed diversion, if you have them…???

Two Dogs
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Two Dogs
2 years ago

“Two Million Gaslit”

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
2 years ago
Reply to  Two Dogs

Gaslit grapes..5??

Backyard Bonfire
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Backyard Bonfire
2 years ago

Before the diversion, the Russian river would normally dry up in the summer. Let’s restore that!

SickofSocialists
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SickofSocialists
2 years ago

Diverting water from the Eel is “watershed restoration” somehow?

Clearly liberal logic.

The real solution: STOP USING SO MUCH WATER CITY PEOPLE.

lol
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lol
2 years ago

It’s actually iliberal logic. The Huffman is a Democrat, it is very clear that the left has a tremendously better record on environmental issues than the right.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  lol

Explain how a “water diversion from it’s natural course” could ever even possibly logically be equated with “watershed restoration”…???

There is no logic there.

It’s purely delusional…

It’s parasitic, not symbiotic.

farfromputin
Member
2 years ago

I’m not totally understanding your premise so I’ll throw out a personal observation: My liberal friends actually don’t bathe very often, maybe once a week. Same with their doing laundry. It’s an interesting subject anyway.

eureka
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eureka
2 years ago

Stealing more of our local resources once again.

Bill
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Bill
2 years ago

Read beyond press releases. Find out who supports or opposes the proposed project.
Read their views, and form your own informed opinion.

Local Resident
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Local Resident
2 years ago

Only the government could brand something as “Ecosystem Restoration” when they’re diverting water from a natural habitat, to its unnatural habitat.

Just My Opinion
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Just My Opinion
2 years ago

Missing it seems, representatives of the First Nations.

Wasn’t me….it was the dog
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Wasn’t me….it was the dog
2 years ago

Boo! Hissss!

farfromputin
Member
2 years ago

Let’s remove the dams, take a breath, and monitor the recovery of the anadromous fishery before we talk about reinstituting another water diverting program.

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suspence
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suspence
2 years ago
Reply to  farfromputin

I think our neighbors to the south would loose their crops. I don’t like it either but at this point there has been a lot of money invested with the agreement that X volume of water will be available.

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago
Reply to  suspence

My neighbor has been stealing out of my firewood pile for years. If I stop him now he will be cold this winter. I guess I should let him keep taking it?

suspence
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suspence
2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Is that really a good analogy? One person vs 100s of thousands of ppl and water is a necessity whereas firewood is a luxury. Again, I don’t like it but I have an idiom for all the complaining on this board, it’s a lot like pissing in the wind.

farfromputin
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2 years ago
Reply to  suspence

The further south you go, the more tenacious the environmental movement becomes. Plus people know wine is a passing fad, and rivers, and their life giving beauty, are here for the long haul.

suspence
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suspence
2 years ago
Reply to  farfromputin

A PASSING FAD??!!! you outta Google how long ppl have been making wine, you’ll learn something. GTFOOH junior.
And this business about the regional tenacity of the environmental movement lacks merit as well.

Jimi
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Jimi
2 years ago

Huffman can sniff the reaking Buns Of Angels.