Arcata: Climate Action Protestors Join Thousands in Worldwide Rallies
Youth and elders at Friday’s climate rally on the Arcata Plaza. [All photos and video by Ryan Hutson]
Calling for a day of action, Fridays for Future, which began in 2018 inspired by Greta Thunberg’s protests in Sweden, and allied groups coordinated across the globe to bring awareness to the threat of extreme climate behavior – such as devastating droughts, apocalyptic fire seasons or unprecedented floods.
Youth in front of the Jacoby’s Storehouse at yesterday’s climate rally. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
A screenshot from Fridays for Future showing the range of protests late Friday evening, with dozens scattered along the west coast of the US with Arcata among them.
Local activists touched on many climate-concerned topics, but fire safety and sustainable forest management, a proposed local offshore fish farm, and climate change awareness were specifically highlighted by speakers at the event. [Redheaded Blackbelt’s live stream via Facebook can be found here, if you want to feel like you’re in the crowd!]
Jules Tatum, a student at Cal Poly Humboldt, explained that the problem of global warming is something felt disproportionately in some areas due to environmental injustice, and noted that when it comes to investments in preventing and addressing climate change as a society, “We don’t really talk about it, and we don’t give funding to it.”
Jules Tatum interview
Noting that “over 200 species go extinct every single day,” the recently transferred student to Cal Poly Humboldt added, “it’s irreversible.” Jules underscored the reason for the rally, and the Fridays for Future’s sense of urgency, saying, “[I]t’s just something we don’t talk about, and we need to be scared and we need to act now, because it is happening now.
Community member Mary Kate Lowry addressed the crowd with the megaphone calling attention to environmental stewardship. Lowry rallied the crowd as she spoke about the local wisdom available through traditional management and restoration techniques. Engaging in a lively call and response with the crowd, she encouraged the youth activists present to keep up the efforts to combat degradation of the environment.
Native voice calls attention to local forest management at climate change rally as fire season lingers on the North Coast.
While mostly attended by activists who began protesting in the 60’s and 70’s, the event was bolstered by about two dozen young people, and a few families with small children. No members of local government were noted to be present, although Dave Meserve was there to participate as he lobbied for Measure M in Arcata, which would reorganize all Arcata city flag poles to fly the Earth flag on top, rather than the way it is currently, with the US flag on top. We spoke with Meserve to learn more about why he was protesting.
Measure M, Arcata’s “Earth Flag on Top” measure, explained by Dave Meserve at the Climate Justice March at the Plaza, September 23, 2022. [All photos and video by Ryan Hutson]
Following a short lineup of impassioned speakers including the students from Cal Poly and a local high school, rally goers circled the plaza while chanting and making noise to the beat of a drum and several brass instruments leading the tour around the perimeter of the Arcata Plaza. Having no permit for occupying the streets, organizers directed marchers to stick to the sidewalks and be sure to allow for the flow of foot traffic, strollers and Plaza goers as rush hour turned towards Friday night dinners out and about.
There was no increased police presence noted, and organizers were in communication with city government beforehand, making sure to have a green light before proceeding with the potential disruption on the Plaza. All remained calm and the rally dispersed within the span of two hours, after which several participants combed the plaza for stray garbage before leaving.
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I feel for these People who can’t understand that they’ve been supporting the corporate model of slash and burn their whole lives, and forgot how to be the change they want to see in the world.
You want CHANGE???
Learn how Bill Gates and all these incredibly wealthy people make the change they want to see happen.
Learn the secrets of mass manipulation.
STOP BUYING CORPORATE SHIT.
Being nasty about everything is itself corporate shit. Waste products after all the good is taken out.
Yes, raise full prices to 100 bucks a gallon, get these poor peasants off the road, be like covid flashback. Roads to myself.
Things were much harder when people had to tend their own garden.
Who had time to protest when you had real responsibility.
Someone doesn’t know shit about the history of labor rights.
Whew!
The comment was specific to people who are not changing anything until they start taking their dependence on multinationals for goods seriously.
As to the history of labor rights, what is important to understand is that China could care less about the rights of humans, and yet there is almost no awareness from the youth of today.
Why should we care about the planet If there is no justice for the exploited ?
I worked 20 years for a union job, and spent 6 months on the strike line, talking about the power of solidarity and the future of collectibe bargaining, and what the future employee would deal with if we didn’t hold to our demands. Trust me, I know more than most people. I’ve forgotten more than you’ve probably learned from your history classes. That’s why real world experience is important in collective bargaining. You must live through these things.
You have any real life experience with arbitration and going out on strike for better wages and working conditions?
When you get in the shower, bring a bucket to catch the water you that runs before the hot water starts flowing. Then take the water you conserved, and water your trees and plants…
Get rid of your gas powered toys, and use electric ones.
Quit burning anything that makes smoke.
Live simply. Walk. Ride a bike. Get more exercise. Lose 10% of your weight. This is hard…
Don’t buy plastic stuff, avoid plastics in daily life. Plastic is toxic, and plastic is one of the main pollutants on this planet.
Burn less gas. Don’t use Diesel, for anything.
Work for peace, since wars cause massive amounts of pollution, destruction and death.
The drought is a sign that your planet is going through a cleansing cycle. Respect mother nature, cause she may well not change…
Stop driving so fast, consume less of everything. Wear natural fibers, like cotton and hemp. Consider all the things you are in contact with that are carcinogenic.
Greedy people have been working daily to enrich themselves, at great cost to others… Consider how small you are, and reduce your impact on the planet…
The drought has been around for almost 50 years, and it is gratifying that people are finally conscious of the need to change man’s behavior to help the planet heal.
Worldwide population is obviously far too great, so work to help those with much less, to reduce suffering from disease, starvation, poor living conditions and environmental stress.
Stay in school, learn to support yourselves, plant some trees.
It is well to raise consciousness, but if humans never change, we may evolve to a world struggling to survive.
Elect new leaders, across the board, and work to change the division in our society.
Over the last 70 years, the world moved forward from 100 million dead in WWII, to a new war in the Ukraine, that makes little sense, and which could escalate into WWIII.
Be concerned…
Only love can conquer hatred, and only active humans can save the planet from the overconsuming and selfish people we have become…
Desiring wealth is a disease, everyone can live with much less!
Carrying a sign is a start, but conservation is a lifestyle that will require lifelong commitment…
Excelsior!
Saving the Earth is simple. All that you need the do is change the human nature of 7.98 billion people.
It’s not simple at all, and zero progress has been made since 1968, besides removing lead from gasoline…
I drove up the 101 from SF and a guy came flying by in a 1965 Buick LeSabre that was spewing unburnt fuel… I was reminded of driving from Long Beach to Pasadena, in 1971, and choking on the air…
Our country is moving backwards, and people who want to return government to an aging criminal simply amaze me…
You won’t be able to breed greed out of humans, or dogs, or primates, but simple economic necessities will bring change…
They can ban the sale of gas-powered cars, but we are 100 years away from the simplest changes that we should have been working on 50 years ago…
Also, remember that Mexican Cartels and the Chinese Chemists want Americans dead from Fentanyl and Fentanyl Analogs…
Life is crazy enough without complaining about hair color and piercings, and attempting to suggest that pollution does not contribute to the eventual death of this planet along with the mass die-off of humanity which could easily occur following threatened nuclear exchanges…
Going all electric is just a side step from fossil fuels in the current modes of generating electricity. Have you not seen the article this week that from Fortuna to the Mendocino County line PG&E tells us they have NO MORE transmitting capacity? How are all those electric tools and cars going to get charged? This morning I also see an article that there is a new regulation in CA to ban all natural gas heating units by 2030.Yet to upgrade the transmission lines in out area is estimated to take 10 years. The quandary continues.
PG&E wants you to build your own, using Solar and Batteries/Generators.
There is no reliable source of Hydroelectric, and Solar is slowly replacing it.
PG&E was sued to within an inch of it’s very existence, and they have pretty much become unsustainable…
Electric will replace Internal Combustion.
More like nuclear will replace internal combustion, have you attended a California air resource board meeting lately?
It’s a shame that we gave up the radical next-generation Vanadium flux flow battery technology (invented in a USA DOE lab) to China! This is such a huge leap forward and is superior to the current Lithium-Ion technology used in Teslas, etc. If Gavin Newsome’s electric dreams are to become a reality we need to upgrade our capacities, pronto!
A few excerpted quotes from NPR:
“The idea for this vanadium redox battery began in the basement of a government lab, three hours southeast of Seattle, called Pacific Northwest National Laboratory. It was 2006, and more than two dozen scientists began to suspect that a special mix of acid and electrolyte could hold unusual amounts of energy without degrading. They turned out to be right.”
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“They were building a battery, a vanadium redox flow battery. Based on a design created by 2 dozen US Scientists at a GOVERNMENT LAB. The batteries were the size of a refrigerator, held enough energy to power a house, and could be used for decades.”
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“But instead of the batteries becoming the next American success story, all the employees were laid off. And 5,200 miles away, a Chinese company is making the batteries in Dalian, China.”
https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/1114964240/new-battery-technology-china-vanadium
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/09/us-installs-record-solar-capacity-as-prices-keep-falling/
Cali just pushed carb back 7 years ,be another 10 year set back before its done. Man those politicians are soo smart, can’t even figure out a reasonable time line .
The elites and the management class will inject a kill switch that will make your offspring unable to reproduce.
Only those who can afford to pay for lab grown embryos will survive.
I just love your crazy ideas…
Parthenogenesis is the goal, and women don’t really want men around anyway.
The destruction of the dreaded XY chromosome is the future, except that women are just as greedy as men, and, they are all above 40 on the “crazy scale”…
Who’s going to move the furniture! LAYOUT the stakes, pull string, dig the trench, build The forms, pour concrete, rough in, finish the back breaking work of building a house that she’s gonna take from you in the divorce.
Women are wonderful and a gift,
Until they become entitled, lazy, controlling, and know that they can ruin a man with lies and deceit
Banning all indoor grows of cannabis would be an easy first step . The plant grows fine under natural sunlight. And The corporate legalization has begun a new multi billion dollar business that can be easily regulated in its initial stages. And yet our climate controlled governor has allowed massive indoor grows to get permitted! Why? Electricity comes from somewhere and mostly from burning fossil fuels. I would suggest we ban all indoor grows and even the light assistant grows for the winter months when they are mostly lights instead of sun. Who is with me? It should be some easy logic to follow for a positive change in energy usage. Because right now the consumer base all across the country is getting used to indoor grown weed and now that’s all they want but that is the exact opposite direction that we want to head in.
Yea 🤣🤣you Probably think they should use surveillance and kick down doors of private property also huh
Umm….How about stop giving permits to large indoor operations? And then rescind the ones that have been given out? And pressure other states- CO and OK especially – to stop. And do not allow indoor growing to take over the east Coast like it is presently? I think it’s A LOT of energy being wasted to grow an end product that consumers do not need but think that they do….Start a public education campaign about the energy being used to produce indoor weed and let the shaming begin and grow until sun-grown and home-grown becomes the hip and cool thing to do- because it is the right thing for us to do. Kicking down doors on little 8-lighters should be very far down the list if even on the list.
Quixotic Humboldt where indoor grows appear like giant windmills.
With you on this one farce
👍
Now you are screwing with a multi-billion dollar industry…
Grow your own, and either go legal, or go more illegal…
People in Humboldt pollute too much and use way too much fuel to grow dope and bring it to market sustainably and competitively…
Find something else to grow, like Opium, or Brussel Sprouts…
With you on promoting those who consume to grow their own. But many will remain consumers. Right now their social-media driven tastes are trending to indoor- in the face of the unnecessary energy costs that it entails. I’m disgusted that not a single leader has even brought up the issue. LED lights are no solution- that is a red herring. If I cannot have a gas-powered chainsaw then why can a corporation build a 1000 light grow warehouse and get all their permits?!! Look for me to be harping away on this all the way to the Cannabis Control Board and make them publicly address the reasoning …
Agreed. Indoor is not a sustainable model with dropped prices and environmental awareness.
I was talking to a BIG indoor operation in LA owner today. He told of how he had a (disease) that swept through 4 rooms and he had to kill it all. That, along with the shifting market conditions leaves him believing that ‘outdoor is the future’. He invested $2M to build out his facility and the best offer he got to sell it was $1.5M.
With climate awareness and other limitations at hand, and growing, people will want outdoor. And for those who can hang in there, the outdoor Emerald counties cannabis may yet rebound.
Human 1.0 is not a sustainable model, and just remember that they’ve been saying the quiet part out loud.
If you look at government as a cartel, it will help you understand the pursuit of policy that consolidates market share.
The only power you have as a consumer, is whether or not you can make a difference with your consuming choices
I agree
“Our country is moving backwards, and people who want to return government to an aging criminal simply amaze me…”
Yeah weird, people who don’t want government involved in every aspect of their life are so mystifying. Just because throughout the entire course of history central planning has led to poverty, suffering and death, these idiots want freedumb.
NEWSFLASH genius, your life is on the cusp of getting enormously shittier. The vast majority will get much poorer due the largest government in history which is currently taking in more money than at any point in history, yet still has to borrow more than any in history. Thanks to government schools, people are stupider than ever, which is why they understand NONE of this and instead, paint their hair green and complain about the imagined threat of global warming as we thankfully come out of an ice age. THAT…..is what is amazing!
It isn’t “government” that is controlling all that. It is corporate control of government. It is “free enterprise”. It is unfettered capitalism.
No one is forced to buy anything. They choose.
Wait. It’s government that forces people to buy- buy government at least.
Two most logical comments you’ve ever made. Congratulations.The shots must finally be wearing off.
It’s the same fucking thing. Always was.
Nailed it
“zero progress has been made since 1968″
I think that you just made my point about Human nature.
Ah….
Have either of you tye-dye wearing conservatives considered Ca air quality in 1989 vs 2010?
Ever hear of or visit a major city, like LA, during these time frames and wondered how smog was reduced while car population levels rose?
Is negativity a trending emotion?
Good thing the newer buicks have catalytic converters, no you can’t tell when they’re running rich. Like a good heater, anyone say global warming, aftertreatment on newer diesels, 1200 degree exhaust, anyone figure out what’s causing global warming? Crack me up.
What you fail to recognize is that our habits were conditioned by a class of people who wanted us to consume other people’s goods. The family farm was the solution to family’s needs, and we didn’t need bananas.
“We’re doomed…we are never going to make it…”
Cartoon character from the 70’s
Bill Gates got this ERNIE
The individual actions you propose will not make any difference unless our corporate overlords get with the program. You are asking people to give up things that are nigh impossible and will have little effect. Only when corporations and governments put their full might behind this effort will the global climate crisis be affected, AND SO FAR THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING.
The government enforces it all genius
😇 Thank you for those really great suggestions and ideas.
And please use birth control, or abstinence. Parents teach your children to be responsible, reproductively speaking.
Stop the senseless killing of unborn children. And spay and neuter your pets as well as strays.
Unplug your wi-fi box when you go to sleep at night or when not using it. Like when you’re on vacation or at work. Unless you’re security system requires it to run 24/7.
Be the solution.
Quit being selfish, take cold showers.
That sounds simple and easy.
Well said though.
Learn to be happy with what those impoverished countries have, and why do people risk death to come to AMERICA?
Our gray water goes straight into the garden.
All grey water should be used to water plants.
How come they all have funky hair?
I am sure the hair products they use are very earth friendly
They want to let their fellow travelers know: hey, look at me, I’m a brain dead communist moron too!
Definitely symptomatic of some sort of personality/mental disorder. It always helps me to steer clear of them.
People looking for attention.
It’s the new woke wave!
CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL
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1. It is hot. – If you go outside and it’s a bit toasty, you can’t deny it any longer: the climate is changing.
2. It is cold. – If you go outside and it’s a bit nippy, you can’t deny it any longer: the climate is changing.
3. It is raining. – Rain is absolute proof of climate change.
4. It is not raining. – A lack of rain is absolute proof of climate change.
5. It’s a pleasant day. – A nice day outside? In Minnesota? CLIMATE. CHANGE.
6. It’s not a pleasant day. – A not-so-nice day outside? In California? CLIMATE. CHANGE.
7. It’s snowing. – It has literally never snowed before cars were invented. Climate change!
8. It’s not snowing. – It has literally never not snowed before cars were invented. Climate change!
9. It is summer. – When it’s summer, it’s hot, proving the climate is changing.
10. It is winter. – When it’s winter, it’s cold, proving the climate is changing.
Haha
Spot on
How can anyone argue with climate change? Much better than global warming and global cooling. It fits every scenario.
Yeah, the elitist, globalist scumbags had to change the title a few times until they found something that resonated with those that are easily controlled. Then it became an upwelling.
Nailed it…
Morons carrying arbitrary signs with slogans, that should fix everything. So tired of the ignorance and hypocrisy, nice multi colored hairdo’s though.
I agree with you. Morons (uneducated humans) holding stupid signs, some with filthy words doing absolutely nothing. Love the colorful hair on some. Basically, they are just plain disgusting. Stop shooting your mouth off people and do something like say work!
Need to let some of these folks know how to turn $40 into $400…
Drive your ass to work!!
Drive your own ass to work there smart mouth!!
Whoosh…
Wow, giant turnout there, bwahahaha. Same old burnt out hippies who have been protesting something in Arcata since the 1960s. Fact is, man caused climate change is a fraud perpetrated by elites to control the general population. It is so obvious to anyone who can think critically. The Earth is not your mother, your mother is your mother. And as far as mothers go, shouldn’t these burnt out old hippies and naive young progressives stop calling the Earth our mother since they say men can have babies too? The Earth is your tranny father, who is really a biological woman and will never be a man, ever. Now that is scientific fact.
“It’s just weather.”
Donald J Trump – 45th and 47th President of the United States of America
That handful of people on the plaza is larger than the amount of people who turnout to watch President* Joe Biden speak.
“Their doesn’t have to be a process as I understand it. Ya know different people say different things. If you’re the president of the United States you can declassify just by saying it’s declassified even just thinking about it.”
Donald J Trump – 45th President of the United States of America, Leavenworth Kansas, Cell Block F.
LOCK HIM UP 2024!!!
PROP HIM UP 2024!!!
(Fixed it for you)
Most of his supporters have their heads up his ass so much already he’s over proped. I hear the Qanon followers just use a finger cause that’s all they can squeeze inside with so many heads up there. They like to show everyone they got a stinky finger by holding it up.
Quite a fixation and imagination you have there.
🤣
No one knows who or what q anon even is. I do know one delusional lib though, who pretends he’s getting $1200 lb for his outdoors when their goin for 3, $400 all day. Derrrp!
Joe Biden can’t think at all. It’s unbelievable we have a brain dead president we’re supposed to call commander/chief.
Is there really anybody out there that still thinks Joe Biden should be running our country? Nancy couldn’t answer the question.
Believe it. It’s not an accident, but once you get your head around the reality of blunt force drama, the truth isn’t any different from the past puppets propped up to take the blame for a drastic impact on the culture.
I will choose Grandpa Biden over Treasonous Trump any day. So the empty folders marked top secret were probably given to Saudi Arabia so the new golf league would play at Trump’s resorts. How many decades of intelligence gathering have been compromised so Trump could make a few bucks. LOCK HIM UP 2024!!!
I think if there was any proof of him committing a crime he would be locked up.
Yeah, I thought so.
Just like Ivermectin, that horse dewormer that really was an effective prophylaxis against the covid BULLSH*T.
Anyone trying to ignore that NOW, is a piece of Sh*t
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/06/tech/japan-white-data-center-snow-cooled-servers-climate-scn-spc-intl/index.html
Data centers are NOT FRIENDLY TO HUMANS OR THE ENVIRONMENT
if you don’t like someone lock them up! Cancel that guy or girl cause you’re scared shitless of them.
Oh please, ask anyone in this crowd to explain how the pacific decadal oscillation, upwelling, or forcing and feedback affect the climate. The response will be just as you’d anticipate from a group that pours chemicals on their head to change the color of their hair, and permeates their skin with ink. No I’m not a climate change “denier”, I’m a climate adapter just like humans have been doing for thousands of years.
Oh my, 2 down votes and not a cogent scientific response. Could it be they’re simply parroting what their handlers tell them? Just more one liners and platitudes from a cabal that couldn’t find their ass with both hands and a map.
I don’t know what “pacific decadal oscillation” means. Does that refer to how the oceanic phytoplankton blooms whenever there is an abundance of Carbon Dioxide, thereby maintaining Earth’s albedo while also producing Oxygen?
The “person” (don’t want to assume it’s a girl-(liberalism is a mental disorder) in the first video claims we don’t really talk about brown suffering and that climate bullshit isn’t taught in schools when in fact, that’s ALL “we” talk about! So yeah, you can disregard everything she says…….along with evey other pathetic, loser hippie, advocating communism and too stupid to know it.
With all the solar energy push going on I fear we will suck all the daylight out of the sun! Oh God! Will it be dark at noon?
Somebody help us!
I smell white privilege. It must be nice to have your biggest fear and concern in life be what the weather is going to be like in 10 years.
Good job Ryan. Nice to read the protestors behaved themselves. Nothing worse than trying to drive through a crowd that is trying to get run over. The statement with the words “we need to be scared” is telling. Fear tactics nearly always lead to bad policy. The past two years should have taught us that, as well as the four years before those.
We live in senseless times. Of course we should act together to protect the planet. Cutting our nose to spite our face is not the answer. Ask yourself; Where does that energy come from that is charging your electric car? If you don’t know, find out. Better battery storage is the answer we need, and it is (hopefully) just around the corner.
The earth has been warming for something like 12,000 years. We know sea level has risen because we have found entire ancient towns 300-400 feet under water. We also know it was lower in the more distant past because we find fossils on land, although sometimes this is due to uplifting. This web site claims the evidence is in that the warming of the last 100 years may only be in a small part caused by people, and is about 1 degree F since 1979. Also, it shows the drop in level at Lake Mead is caused by “water greed” and not drought. It’s worth a look before just dismissing.
https://www.drroyspencer.com
Where then can we find answers? A good first start would be listening to each, read what can be found to better inform yourself, and not disparaging each other. Listening to one person who is an “activist” doesn’t mean it is the truth (although it may be). Remember the young lady who lived in a redwood for a year? In her first interview she stated she didn’t have any direction in her life, so she decided to climb a tree. “Activists” hijacked her deed and turned it to their agenda. While saving redwoods is a good agenda, I wanted to hear more about life living in a tree, but her “handler” spoke for her.
I have lived off the grid for 25 years, using solar and hydro as my primary energy sources, so before you disparage me and call me out, consider that.
Lost me at Dave Meservant and Greta Scumberg. Complete Eco Corporate whores.
After reading the comments on this piece, anyone with even the slightest clue will come to the same conclusion — We. Are. Fucked.
Some of the commenters are people who blame the corporations and yet shill for the Republicans who are devoted to making corporations richer and bigger.
Some focus on fashion choices instead of the issue at hand (seriously, 2 out of maybe 100 people had hair that was colored and that’s what they focus on).
Some clearly don’t understand that the weather isn’t the same thing as climate or that the globe has different places with different impacts of climate change.
Some can’t, or rather won’t, grasp that the science on climate change is pretty solid. Not perfect, but solid. And that the implications of continued human-induced changes are going to fuck over hundreds of millions, if not billions of people in the future, including their kids and grandkids.
People who blame government control for all our problems but don’t seem to grasp just how badly we screwed the environment up before we began to set limits on pollution.
And there’s enough of these folks to hamper significant progress the world needs to make on this topic because they have been brainwashed into thinking that working to reduce the impacts of human-induced climate change will somehow make them weaker. Or communists. Or something else equally stupid.
We. Are. Fucked.
Those that are fucked are the young kids and Chinese and African indentured servants being paid pennies (if at all) to strip the earth for rare earth minerals on the other side of the world so brain dead “activists”, “ecologists” and “enlightened academia” can drive their Tesla’s and other corporate made EV’s to make the worlds richest man even richer as he thumbs his nose at you losers on Twitter.
All “climate change” is, is an elitist, globalist corporate money grab. Nothing more, nothing less.
The globalists want world domination and until freedom loving Americans come under their thumb like the rest of the Socialist peons in Europe and Communists in China have, then they will keep shilling this bullshit.
Secure our borders, stop sending our earnings overseas and limit the earnings our elected officials can take from us. That’s the damned answer!
That simply ignores the fact that we share the biosphere with every other country on the planet. What we do affects our neighbors and vice versa.
How about you recognize that CHINA could care less about your feelings about the biosphere, they recognize at the end of the day, people are the resource with the most extraction opportunities.
How do you feel about SLAVE LABOR?
Stop breathing. Your co2 emissions are harshing my quest for pure air to breathe.
I can’t resist! 😂
Thank you
Oh, your wisdom is dazzling… How many incompatible ideas can a progressive shove into their head? “For over a decade, China has been the world’s largest annual emitter of greenhouse gases. Regardless of some pro-ecological alternatives and investments in alternative energy sources, the country’s emissions keep growing, contrary to the worldwide trends.” ” China is rich in fossil fuel resources and doesn’t resist exploiting them even though it also invests in green energy sources (mainly solar). As a result, large amounts o greenhouse gases with particulate matter reach the atmosphere.” https://airly.org/en/air-pollution-in-china-what-causes-it/
Look at the map of planned protests. See any in the PRC? So take your complaints to China as see how they respond. It would likely be an intimate tour of a prison. People here have been trying. Unfortunately, due to delusional liberal government, that has meant they look to Chinese products from electric batteries to solar panels. Which just moves the damage. Not fixes it.
Per capita the US emits about twice the greenhouse gas than China (17.54 tonnes vs. 8.41 tonnes as of 2019). Only a handful of countries emit more per person than we do and they have much smaller populations than the US.
Your message seems to be that we can’t fix the entire problem so let’s just ignore it. After all, if that other guy is doing something bad, why should we stop? That seems to be the conservative message. Either that or let’s pretend the problem doesn’t exist.
Hence my previous comment about the outlook for the future.
Have you heard the one about how 90% of all oceanic pollution is released via China’s rivers? All the moral superiority this continent and Europe can proclaim can’t fix what’s happening elsewhere.
(Personally, I view pollution as a more immediate, dire threat than anything “climate change”.)
They can both be problems that need to be addressed.
The only way to address global problems is through global action and we need to view the oceans and the atmosphere as the shared global resource that they are when it comes to pollution of various kinds.
Yeah we need a global government to solve these global problems of pollution. Guaranteed to create even worse problems, but go ahead and try.
Propose a workable alternative aside from “fuck everyone else, we’re doing what we want to”.
Ok. Challenge accepted. 1) manufacture as much as possible inside the US. This gives environmental control to US. Saves shipping fuel use and provides jobs to US workers. This is not xenophobia. It is common sense. 2) make tariffs on a sliding scale depending the environmental damage created by foreign manufacture. Creates lots of greenhouse gases or other pollution? Then the tariff should be high enough that the advantage of going cheap on manufacturing disappears. If it increases prices US citizens pay so be it. We need far less cheap crap anyway. 3) reward manufacturers for making easily recyclable packaging by making sales tax less on such items than on cheap but unrecyclable products thus giving them a marketing advantage 4) same reward to those who make economically feasibly repairable or updatable goods in so that it is to the purchase’s advantage to not to constantly buy new.
That’s just spur of the moment. I’m sure there are many improvements to be found. We just need to do them. And stop the constant kvetching based on politics. There is a need to focus on what can be done that is a win-win for the US. Most of the outrage spent on political agendas kills any real success. There needs to be a rating system for legislators based on effective implementation, not rhetoric. No killing good sustainable practices to get at an opposing politicians. No extraneous saddling if every bill with pork. Judge politicians on what they do, not on what they say.
I don’t disagree with any of your proposals — I’ve pushed similar things elsewhere. The problem is that it doesn’t address the global issue and it will raise the costs of everything.
This is going to be long so for most you’ll probably want to TL;DR
Manufacturing goods incurs both internal and external costs. Regulation in the US has pushed some of those external costs (e.g. pollution limits and labor safety) back to internal costs which must be explicitly paid for in the cost of production. Companies found that moving production outside the US allowed them to increase the externalities by pushing the costs (e.g. pollution) back onto foreign citizens and hence made it cheaper to produce products that they could then import back into the US at a lower cost.
Economists have argued that this is good in the sense that it marginally improves the economies of foreign citizens while decreasing the costs we pay in the US and still protecting “our” environment. This however ignores that the environment is global and pollution produced outside our borders has an influence on us.
Cheaper costs have also allowed the US to continue inefficient use of energy to a remarkable degree where roughly 5% of the world’s population (US) uses 20-25% of global energy production. You can see it the kinds of vehicles we by — the F150 is the most popular vehicle sold in the US compared to the Fiat Panda in Europe. The same is largely true for housing in the US where we tend to live in much larger houses spread much further apart.
Shifting back to US produced goods means costs will rise and we’ll be forced into more efficient use of energy which has the side effect of reducing our per capita greenhouse gas emissions. But expect a lot of the population, especially the conservatives, to strongly protest the rising costs.
And it still doesn’t address the larger problem of emissions by China and India other than perhaps reducing their economic output and keeping more of their citizens with fewer economic opportunities.
I’m “conservative” and there is more than enough in being self sufficient, providing jobs and protecting US businesses to offset increased costs in many products for the “sake of the environment” to attract their acquiesce.
What usually happens these days is that, if any environmental agenda seem to threaten- yes that is the term- to be effective, then political posturing kills it. The liberal takes the opportunity to rant on about xenophobia and globalism while the conservative goes on about government control and communist authoritarianism. Any common good can not survive the refusal to cooperate. Both think hating on their political opposites is more important that doing good for their own citizens.
It is not conservatives who mostly do this, it is both in equal measure. They just egregiously blame different ideologies. Just in case any good can inadvertently come out of their opponent’s ideas. You know, like credit for good can only harm their cause unless it comes from themselves so it’s better to insure failure than allow credit to be “misplaced.” Of course opposition occurs. Whoop-de-bloody-do. It’s just not as important to get what you ask for as to get what you need. A lot more time and effort needs to be spent on persuasion and a lot less time on posturing.
Then of course these ideas address the “global issues…” that is how tariffs work- by effecting other countries using the leverage of being a market. The real division comes from from philosophy. Liberals want to enforce their agenda by government authority rather than allowing economic self interest to lead towards a goal, because, for them, individual self interest is antithetic to the promise of a perfect socialist world. They hold that people have to be forced directly to be good because being good is not an individual attribute. Good old circular reasoning there. While conservatives like the good they already have and don’t want it screwed up by authoritarianism looking for fixing what isn’t broke. An admittedly limited view. Both are much happier with inflicting damage to others than enduring compromise that works. And the cure is to stop pushing differences rather than looking for points where agendas coincide.
I think you are reading more into liberal policy than there really is. None of the liberals I know (and I don’t consider myself one of them) aren’t into creating a ‘perfect socialist world’ and I doubt you could find many among the elected officials. What they are supportive of is a clean environment and they realize that economic self-interest has failed to encourage that. Indeed the opposite occurs when you rely solely on economic self-interest because of the problem of externalities — it is in your economic self-interest to push costs (e.g. pollution) off onto the public so that your expenses are lower.
Most regulations occur to fix something that is actually broken (e.g. the Clean Water Act or the Clean Air Act). The regulations get tightened over time because people acting in their economic self-interest try to find loopholes to get around the intent of the regulation. Look at how the oil and gas industry has vehemently objected to reining in the methane off-gassing of their wells. We lose 3 ways on that one — the methane is a potent greenhouse gas, we lose the energy in the methane, and the public doesn’t get the royalty payments due when extracting energy from public lands.
Most of the conservative rhetoric I’ve seen seems to be pushing the idea that there is no problem except that complying with existing regulations that costs them money. Then the idea that this is all some kind of scheme to control everything gets promoted without even an acknowledgement that the problem exists.
But I will agree that too often folks at either end of the spectrum seem to be willing to cut off their noses to spite their face if the other side wants something. In recent years that seems to be a bit more common among Republicans than Democrats but both seem willing to play that card rather than compromise for the public good.
None of the conservatives I know are what you repeat either. Yet here we are debating who is to blame as if comments are reality.
“fuck everyone else, we’re doing what we want to”.
You just codified the mantra of the elites, and much of our government parasites.
“fuck everyone else, we’re doing what we want to”.
Say it again, over and over, until you have a sense of what it takes to play with the big boys.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Simple as that.
Thanks for demonstrating my argument that conservatives just don’t think climate change or global pollution are actual problems that need addressing.
Thanks for demonstrating your circular reasoning. You assume that comment means “don’t think climate change or global pollution are actual problems that need addressing” and label that as conservative. Bad= conservative. Think that rhetoric is going to do anything but keep anything from being effective? If the hostile far right is a PITA, it’s liberals who give them that power.
But you don’t address both, do you? You just hammer on the US, call out insults and repeat the PRC’s party line that the US is worse per capita. Well, Whoooeee. That changes nothing in terms of the effect of those gases on the environment. China still puts out twice what the USA does and more based on consumption. China is catching up fast on the part transportation plays in greenhouse gases while the US is trending down. Considering the problem that the US has that China does not. China is population is dense in about 1/3 of their land along the coast, while 2/3rds inland is virually empty. This makes long distance transportation much less necessary in China than the US which has its major centers of population on the eastern 1/3rd and another on the west coast, seperated by a huge virtually empty segment in the middle.
I simply pointed out a different data point that suggests it’s perfectly valid to protest the US lack of action on addressing the problem. I’ve never written that it’s okay for China to ignore its contribution to the problem (or India, or Europe, etc.)
You’ll have to be a bit more specific about the insults I supposedly made because I don’t see them.
Transportation, particularly of goods, is a big issue but we’ve been resistant to focusing on more efficient infrastructure to reduce that impact. Instead we seem to be pushing for incremental improvements in efficiency rather that taking big swings at the problem. And all those folks living in the middle of the country would argue a bit about it being “virtually empty”. 🙂
Spending all effort on hitting fellow countrymen? Well that is de facto making it okay for China. “I never said” is only an excuse.
LOL….LEMME GUESS, THOSE ARE STATISTICS FROM THE CHINESE ENVIRONMENTAL AGENCY. ..?
BWHAHAHAHA
HOW DOES CHINESE CREATE SO MANY PRODUCTS AND HOLD A POPULATION FAR GREATER THAN OURS?
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With all due respect, we are not REPUBLICAN /DEMOCRATS FIRST.
BUT YEAH, WHEN WEST AFRICAN LESBIAN POETRY IS YOUR UNDERGRAD , AND YOU ARE ATHE MERCY OF BOX STORES FOR YOUR GOODS. …
WE .ARE.ALL.DEFINITELY TRUCKATARIANS…
TIM, it’s class warfare. I’m not sure what is so difficult to understand about this concept
” the science on climate change is pretty solid.”
You are utterly clueless.Every prediction made in the last 50 years has been wrong. Please elaborate on this “solid science”. Tell me the 98% of scientists thing so I can have another laugh.
What a bunch of nonsense.
So, how many of them drove there in a car?
Clearly, waiting for the government to solve this is not working. We need to be the change we want to see in the world. If you think burning fossil fuels is bad, don’t use it. People bitch about the big bad oil companies, but they’re just selling a product people want. These same people who bitch about carbon emissions bitch even louder when the price of gas goes up too high. Evily evil corporations with a side of evil sauce wouldn’t exist if people stopped buying their products.
Seriously people, stop blaming someone else, and stop demanding someone fix it for you. Ask what YOU can do, and then go do that. Virtue signaling isn’t working.
The problems are not what an individual does. The problem is that individual actions are not going to fix much of anything. When Europe decided to scare itself about shortages of heating fuel when they sanctioned Russia over the Ukraine war, India bought it and rejoiced at the bargain. While suddenly “green” Europe has a wakeup call about just how self sustainable they were. When the US passed regulations to apply tariffs importing products created by polluting Chinese factories, the Chinese pointed out that the US already had the products and were now trying to keep Chinese citizens from having them too. Which was in essence true. Meanwhile the political party out of power at the time complained tariffs increased the cost of products to poor people- also true. We all may be in the same boat climate wise but some are in the steerage and some are steering. All want the boat not to sink but each wants to control the steering. Including the these protesters who think it is so simple as a protest. Then go home and have a pot party.
Okay then, blame someone else. That’s what most people do.
Individual actions are the ONLY thing that matters. Sure there’s 8 billion other individuals out there, but you can’t do much about them. But you can do something about what YOU do.
So where did you get the idea that I don’t do anything?
The young are always ready to give their elders the full benefit of their inexperience. – Wilde
Yes indeed. I have a 20 y.o. and I am sure that’s true. Also, they are the upcoming leaders and the doers of the next 20 years, so we should treat them with patience and try to teach them what we know. They aren’t completely wrong; what they lack in experience they make up for in conviction.
I bet most of the negative commenters here don’t have adult kids, or if they do, they aren’t on speaking terms.
By the way, I do not mean to imply that ONLY the young do this. Plenty of old codgers like to go on and on about all manner of things. Pretty much I give respect to those who practice what they preach, or better yet, practice without the preach.
I want to buy less wasteful products. But just try to buy them. Want to buy in bulk? It comes in plastic film. Want stuff in glass jars because they are more recyclable? Product after product has gone to cheaper-to-ship plastic, which, while it has a recycling label, is never recyclable. At least some of those protesters had hand made signs. Those carrying prefab signs may have deluded themselves about it’s post use recycling but in truth they are one use waste.
Surprisingly, while local organic stores think of themselves as earth conscious, I’ve had better luck with Safeway’s organic section. When they offer it, which is not consistent, their produce is more likely to be packed with less waste.
Respect “ur” mother ? 🤣 🤦🏻♂️
Highly educated individuals ….
How unusual…More fear mongering and protesting by the sheeple…On Earth Day, we commonly hear dark predictions about the looming horrors of global warming (a typical example, “What is at stake [is] our ability to live on planet Earth,” Al Gore).
Yet not so long ago the news media issued dire warnings about global cooling and a coming Ice Age.
Reporters told the public about global cooling in the same confident tone used in today’s coverage about global warming, creating the strong impression that no reasonable person could disagree.
http://www.washingtonpolicy.org › publications › detailToday It’s Global Warming; In the ’70s It was the Coming Ice Age
http://www.climate.gov › 70s-they-said-thered-be-ice-ageIn the 70s, they said there’d be an Ice Age | NOAA Climate.gov
Please stick to the current vernacular of climate change. We don’t need people being more confused. Lol
Happy to comply…
Who’s the dipshit chick with pink hair?
She certainly looks the part lol
Great. Mad Max and cannibalism let’s go.
Fucking moronic shit
Go Dave Meserve! Really support his initiative to ‘put the earth above all else’ on the Arcata city flag poles! It’s his idea. And Dave shows us how much one person can do to help change things for the better. (I believe that one of the main benefits of having the flag atop the pole will be a [subtle?] reminder that the earth should be the most important priority!).
Reduce, reuse, recycle!
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Restrict Democrat access to public office.
Restrict anonymous posters usernames to 1.
If only the world played along with those expectations.
Reduce Reduce Reduce
The point is the same using one name or a dozen. Commenting is not a popularity contest. The point is that the government and political parties refusing to do the hard dirty work in making it possible to “Reduce, reuse, recycle” is just as much a damnation as not intending to do it at all. Making it harder to cooperate seems to be the political goal of everyone, which is why they throw in irrelevant sniping in comments lest we inadvertently find common cause, and using the government t inflict it makes it even worse.
That’s already one of Kym’s rules. One name per article. I’m adhering to it. Maddening that liberals just can’t change the rules or the Constitution, simply because they disagree with them, isn’t it?
America;
Reintroduce yourselves to Michael fucking Moore.
https://youtu.be/Z3QTGHl9ud0
Michael Moore is an overfed, bloviating Marxist. He’s been introduced to the sewers with every flush.
There are limits to how crude the analogies get to be…Don’t repeat the shit analogies.
So how does F Hue get a pass as a user name? Along with a string of insults in every post?
I don’t see the string of insults when I look back over his comments. Could you point them out?
As to his name…I don’t generally look at names. I’m reading fast. By the time, I not only saw it but grocked it’s phonetic reality, I was somewhat bemused by my lack of perspicacity, and, besides, fuck is not a word that overly offends me. Deeply graphic shit references gross me out.
I came back to see how strained your rationalization would be and you did not disappoint. As to insults… Missed the whitey comments, old white man stuff, etc or just okay with them? I will not waste my time looking at your demand when the result is always the same. You explain away what suits you and go after what doesn’t and get defensive if anyone compKains.
I missed where he called someone “whitey” that’s now been edited out. The only other time he used the word “white” since August 16 (I only have so much time–it is now 2:47 a.m.– he said,”This was part of Mexico before the greedy white savages slaughtered the natives, put them in concentration camps, starved them, just like Nazi’s! Mexicans have more right to be here than you do!” I ruled that saying that white people who try to commit genocide are just like Nazi’s isn’t an unreasonable analogy.
The climate would be a lot better here without Arcata.
Just shut down the Republican domestic supply of infants scheme.
God what a depressing place.