McKinleyville name change? Community leaders weigh in after recent events
William McKinley and a photo by Myles Cochrane of McKinleyville’s welcome sign
In the latest episode of Humboldt Last Week (7:57)
Recently, California Governor Gavin Newsom expressed his support of allowing residents of Fort Bragg to vote on renaming their city due to the moniker’s association with a slave owner, causing listeners to ask if McKinleyville residents would consider something similar over the controversial nature of their own namesake.
Where Arcata’s McKinley statue once stood (Photo by Myles Cochrane)
A little under six miles from McKinleyville, at the direction of voters in 2019 the City of Arcata removed their historic statue of U.S. President William McKinley which had previously stood in the college town’s plaza for roughly 113 years. McKinley was the 25th president from 1897 until his assassination in 1901.
“McKinley represents the belief in Manifest Destiny that was used to justify the dispossession, enslavement, and genocide of the Indigenous Peoples of this continent and abroad,” partially reads the official argument from those who were successful in their plight to take the statue down.
“McKinley was a dedicated abolitionist and enlisted in the Union Army to fight slavery,” partially reads the official argument from those who’d hoped the statue would remain on the plaza. “He was the last Civil War veteran to serve as President, a strong advocate for the voting rights of black citizens and appointed many Blacks to federal positions.”
The municipality of McKinleyville, which hosts around 15,000 residents, is currently served by the County of Humboldt and the McKinleyville Community Services District. The county is currently gathering data to assess the financials of possibly designating McKinleyville as a city, reports the Times-Standard.
“As far as renaming McKinleyville, the Board largely reserves their efforts to focus on our Mission which is to: Provide McKinleyville with safe and reliable water, wastewater, lighting, open space, parks and recreation, and library services in an environmentally and fiscally responsible manner,” said McKinleyville Community Services District General Manager Patrick Kaspari.
“I will support what the residents of McKinleyville want,” said Humboldt County Supervisor Steve Madrone, who represents McKinleville’s district. “It’s their town. I live in ‘TrinHaven.’ I would like to see the name change from this guy, Mr. Manifest Destiny.”
“Every community should take this moment to reflect on the messages we send, intentionally or not, with not just our laws and policies, but with symbols, monuments and place names,” said U.S. Congressman Jared Huffman, who represents McKinleyville at the federal level. “This isn’t a one size fits all question – each community, and each of these situations, should be thoughtfully considered in context.”
Either way, McKinleyville will likely never be renamed unless an organized effort and voters make it so.
Residents of McKinleyville, your turn to weigh in: Following last year’s removal of the McKinley statue nearby and the current consideration of renaming Fort Bragg, would you vote in favor of renaming your community back to Dows Prairie, Minorsville, something the Wiyot and Yurok people once called it, or something else different? Why or why not?
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Rename New York first.
Fine. New Amsterdam it is. Was.
May I suggest it be renamed one of the following:
Marxville
Jinpingville
Stalinville
Lenninville
Cheville
Arnoldville
Saucedoville
Guzmanville
Or maybe My favorite:
Idiocracy
Virtueville?
No… how about it’s original name before the land was stolen, let the local Native Tribe give it it’s original name.
Guest, what did the Native people call it?
That might be too easy for everyone, there has to be a debate. No common sense, lol
imagine the costs of changing the name, uniforms, letter heads on stationary, signage on property and assets..
Karenville
Marx would not be surprised at all. Unchecked capitalism poisons everything.
Yes, “unchecked capitalism” remains in force today under the moniker “Free-Market Capitalism” and it is poisoning everything.
We’ve never lived under free market capitalism. We live in State sponsored Corporatism.
Yeah, human lives are at stake here, just like when people were murdered for the land. Geez.
Pfff! What uniforms? MCSD can change the patches on their shirts and paint over their signage. Who else?
If there isn’t a city in Humboldt already called Humboldt let’s call it Humboldt. It’s a name everyone knows and identifies with the region
Or “Redwood” (like the airport here!) or “Sequoia”
Or the Yurok name for Sequoia Sempervirens
We use to call it Oklahoma by the Sea
I still do.
Tulsa Heights
I don’t live there.. but I think it should be renamed Bidenville or Obamaville just to mess with the trumpvillers so they know what it’s like to live with a town name they Take issue with… lol. Karmic justice served!
Oh, and put a big statue of the Lorax…. or maybe SpongeBob SquarePants In the center of Arcata. That will REALLY mess with people’s heads.. lol.. Hello 21t century. Am I glad to see YOU.. lol.. (Actually a few bronze SpongeBob SquarePants around town would actually be pretty cool!) lol..
YES!!!!
BECAUSE NO ONE WILL REMEMBER WTF IT WAS CALLEDIN 25 YEARS OR WHY IT WAS EVEN CHANGED TO BEGIN WITH. LET’S JUST SAVE TIME AND CALLLMACKTOWN MAK19. . NOBODY CARES. N9BODY WILL REMEMBER SHIT OR EVEN CARE IN 5 YEARS ANYWAYS . LMAO. FUCK SOCIETY.
Why didn’t Arcata just give the statue to McKinleyville? I mean why on earth would anyone want to have a statue of the person the town was named for?! Doesn’t have to be front and center just put it next to the dang totem pole., plenty of room. I mean if the people of M’ville want to change their name fine, get enough signatures and put it on the ballot done and done or not but if not I think it would be totally appropriate to have that statue there. McKinley wasn’t an angel, no president or world leader of the time was exactly but he wasn’t Hitler or Stalin. To be fair you could have a plaque at the statue with historically accurate information about him, both good and bad. The value of that would go much farther to educate future generations than just trying to erase history. I could say the same for the Totem Pole. It’s pretty bad ass but yeah I could understand it if local indigenous people wanted to have a plaque there correcting any historical or cultural inaccuracy too, but I don’t think anyone wants it taken down. Bottom line is it’s up to the voting public of that town.
??I think it went to the town he was born in. There’s a museum there in his honor. ?
It went to Canton, Ohio where his “tomb” is. Since I remember the monument from my childhood I felt this was appropriate. Last I heard the statue hasn’t been erected.
Interesting there WAS an old mansion turned into an art museum back in the days… The Stark Mansion, had a ball room on the top floor where there were dance classes for children that I attended. My mother worked in this building.
There was even an Elevator in this small mansion (tucked into the “tower”) and at the top it opened into a lobby for the ballroom which had display cases with the McKinnley inaugural outfits worn by McKinnley and his wife. This planted a fascination with vintage garments in my life as I would stand there and study the beaded peach silk gown the First Lady had worn to the Inaugural Ball…
This movement towards erasing aspects of American History leaves me wondering what they’ll do with that great pink granite structure in Canton. Parks around it…
We aren’t talking about ‘erasing’ anything. We are trying to put some context in the story.
The last I heard the McKinley statue disappeared with the people that bought it.
It was offered, but McKinleyville wisely said, ” we will pass on the offer”.
Mahicklyville my grandpa called it when he came up from the city to visit. When they had an open trench sewer system. O well, that was then… Maybe it’s time now to just leave the U.S.!
Please do!!!
bye Felecia
Wisely??? I would have taken it. It is part of history. You probably would not have known the history of McKinley if not for the controversy over the statue. History is history wether you agree with it or disagree with it. We can learn from it if we pay attention.
They gave the statue
to his home town of Canton, Ohio where the home he was born in is a national landmark. He wasn’t from here so that was more appropriate.
Suburbia, or Cul-de-sac City.
No. This is ridiculous. Where does it end?
Sack up and soldier on.
Pathetic, imbecilic fools, all of them.
It ends when they get the much needed pushback, from level headed people who’ve had enough.
This is a test to see how far we are going to let our lives be dictated by a extreme factions of both parties.
Make no mistake, this is a power grab and the psychological operation is bending us over.
Cancel CUlTURE is weaponizea class warfare.
AMEN!
here here !
I second that!
my thoughts exactly,where does it end? When memories of our history are erased.Does this country’s history start today,Exactly when do they want our history to start.
Think of it this way. Until McKinley got assassinated, the area now known as McKinleyville was known by other names.
But in a bit of what? Patriotism? Emotion? Whatever, the decided to change to name for a man who was President for not even a full term because he was murdered. Is the history of Minorsville and Dow’s Prairie erased?
Is the history of Bucksport erased because Eureka overtook it?
Placerville in Eldorado County was Hangtown and renamed for some reason. I kind of like the original better. But to rename McKinleyville seems absurd to me unless it changes back to it’s original.
The Hangtown Fry is named after Hangtown (now Placerville).
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Nothing is being erased, obviously. Otherwise you wouldn’t know there was any change at all.
This is about putting history in the proper context.
Oh, you mean like the history of the Natives that were here before you, you’re all psychotic. Go back to your caucus mountains or homeland, wherever your ancestors immigrated from.
Good one! Its pathetic how people think history began with them.
Couldn’t of said it better myself
Couldn’t have
Reminds me of the conversations from former KMUD talk show host Rick Thorngate (late 1980’s) about changing Garberville’s name.
As I recall Jacob Garber was said to have left the town soon after it was formed, and maybe other reasons, he was deemed unworthy of the honoring of a town name.
Rick suggested (with some sense of levity and a nod to marijuana cultivation) “Gardenville”.
I think the idea of renaming places that invoke people who have created great human crimes, should be done. Yes. We can be better. So change the names. Keep their zip codes the same.
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Hmmm…never heard any such gossip about Garber, he arrived and planted himself on the Caltrans/Hull Flat in 1868, and left around 1884 for the Shasta region after his merchandise store burnt down and insurance didn’t cover his losses. The newspapers didn’t report anything dark.
All of this is a bunch of bs from a bunch of PC babies. You all need to grow up and stop being so stupid about names and this and that just cause it might offend a mentally ill “PC baby.” If you think any town or place or statue needs to be changed cause of your stupidity then you should check yourself into a mental hospital and get the mental help that you obviously need. Have I offended another PC baby? That is my right cause this is America and you can go diddle yourself if you don’t like it. Lol.
This is rideculous ! Don’t waste the time and effort. Concentrate on something that will do some good.
Which is why changing labels is so easy.
I think we should change the name of Washington and anything related to that slave owning white man to something else as well. Destroy all monetary devices with his image imprinted on it, too, cause his wealth and status in early American history depend on slaves.
Maybe change the name of the White House as well since we’re erasing history… and because White is now synonymous with being racist.
No thread is complete without some white victimhood.
Why is it called The White House? Why not the Presidential House? Before Barak no birth certificate Obama moved in for a spell, it’s only been white men dwelling there. The term White House should be changed, along with anything racist. Remember, only Black Lives Matter in this fleeting moment in history
It is actually a white building. Hello
“Barak no birth certificate Obama”
You know, when you say the quiet part outloud, it’s not a good look.
Lady, you should be ashamed for perpetuating a lie about President Obama’s birth certificate and the loud display of your ignorance.
I admit, i have no proof, but where is yours? I voted for him though thinking there would be a change, alas… just like trump’s tax returns ( to whom i did not cast my vote in favor) , we will never see the proof. My ignorance is your deceit.
In today’s day of age, we are all slaves to the might and power of debt. Prove me wrong; double dog dare you.
Fake comments suck.
What, are you a ‘walk away’ member and President?
Sure.
Here’s my bullshot to you;
I voted for Trump, and I’m appalled at his disrespect for minorities and Islam.
I can’t belly my guilt that I voted for a rape culture President.
I’m so very sorry to all American women, including those not born here.
I am so proud of The Lincoln Group, who is restoring my faith in Conservatives and Republicanism..
Vote Democrat this year, like the smart Republican is doing.
Belie
I think cause is white ?
Re yeah sure…. they love playing victim, they’re the epitome of hypocrisy & narcissist. This isn’t their homeland, they’re white/Anglo/euro immigrants living on stolen land they murdered an entire nation for & enslaved another to build it, they’re psychotic savages. It’s like trying to reason with someone in an insane asylum.
Isn’t judging a group of people en masse exactly what racists do?
Are you sure you haven’t become the thing you profess to find odious?
We learned it from you guys. Your bible says an eye for and eye. Remember how the colonizers stole raped and tortured and beat your morals into our children. So yes, “Isn’t judging a group of people en masse exactly what racists do?”, are your rules.
Who is we, many here are of mixed races, and what did your ancestors do that “we” can hold against you?
Seems to me Obamas mom was white…where do you think she should go if she was still here. How dare she have been in Africa…right?? How do we know she didn’t go there and bring Obama back as a child slave??
Dumb sh*ts.
Jesus also said forgive them for they know not what they do.
I think “We” is people like you “HotCoffee”.
Based on what I have seen so far, no one will lift a finger to stop the pillaging and burning hordes when they wish to pull churches and synagogues down. Who is reporting the vandalizing by rioters in the Fairfax district of Los Angeles? Swastikas and all. I only heard it on Mark Levin. And these antifa and BLM domestic terrorists dont even remember that the Nazis were socialists too.
They were fascists. Keep on reading history. Maybe some will sink in
Socialism that devolved into fascism. Communism and socialism are great tools for consolidating power. They always lead to fascism or totalitarianism.
Promises of instituting communism or socialism can be used to seize power, that’s true. Something Marx predicted as well. Of course not all moves toward socialism have lead to fascism or totalitarianism. The most successful nations are highly socialized. All first world nations have mixed market economies today.
Spankasston.
For the love of all that is holy stop being offended . Nothing is wrong with the name . Get a life and move on to something more important ,like jobs opportunities , house the homeless, feed the hungry children. Priorities.
Amen!
Jeffdavistown
Minorville
Seaside…FoggyBottoms… New Enid…
I’ll second FoggyBottoms…..
I’m kind of laughing at the umbrage taken by the idea.
Where i live now, north of me is Lincoln City, Oregon. Originally 5 distinct little podunk towns it was created over 50 years ago. Called the Twenty Miracle Miles, though the locals, stuck in the summer tourist traffic call it the Twenty Miserable Miles.
Anyway, Lincoln City is known for some politcian always suing another. To a ridiculous amount.
So in the last decade (actually even longer than that) there has been a move towards changing the name of the town to something more appealing, I guess Lincoln City just doesn’t scream “Come to the Beach and spend your money here!!!”.
One wag suggested Litigation City (see the above mention of all the lawsuits). I don’t care what they want to call themselves, but stop fighting a freaking bypass!
Dow’s Prairie? Remember, the little town changed it’s name to honor McKinley. It isn’t like it was founded with that name.
Edited to add: Just looked up McKinleyville, Minorsville was an old name for it, too.
Getting over stupidity is the problem. There is never an end to it just as there is never an end to stupidity.
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But let us rip the Spaniard -Junipero Serra- statue down on 280. Now let the
us discuss his treatment of Native Americans! Purely horrendous. Are “Inclusive” HSU clubs (many made up of Southern Californians )speaking of his removal?
Tear down all the hideous casinos..they are a disgrace to Native American culture
That’s for sure
I used to have a Humboldt place names book. Wish I still did. How many names will we need to change?
All things Larrabee will certainly draw attention. What others? Who decides?
Oklahoma By The Sea, like it truly is. There is more racism towards whites that blacks these days, been that way for 30 years.
And here we are, a second white victimhood comment. It’s all just too sad
?????
You’re trying to shame someone for expressing their opinion. Does the term “white victimhood” used ironically imply that whites can’t be victims?
Having us remove monuments is not really making us victims. It is making some people assholes though. If we could say, “Damn, these cops need to stop murdering white boys.” Or, “Our black neighbor got that sweet county job, again.” Or, “I wish that they would cast some white people in my favorite shows. It’s not fair, all they want is for all actors to matter.” That would be ironic.
If y’all want to sugar coat & try to right all the wrongs in this world, you’re just gonna have to nuke the entire earth
….Start over with a nu clear view
If they kill McKinleyville, they should rename it Roosevelt
its called communism
rename everything you dont agree with
look what russia did the last 200 years
every new dictator , all new city names and statues
Never miss a chance to squeeze in some MAGA talking points.
Ocean Bluff. Seahaven. Heron Estuary. Or, ask the Weeyot and Yurok peoples if they have passed down a name for the general area. Get rid of the name of a political pawn.
Yup totally agree. I’m sure it has a name that predates McKinleyville. Honor those who lived here first.
Were the Weyots or Yuroks first ???
Maybe the first ones
tapped on rocks to communicate.
All the renaming and statue topplings
are just as stupid and childish
as the BLM’ers can make it.
(ALL LIVES MATTER, you self centered ignorant fucks!)
This is ridiculous. It will cost lots of money to make the change for no reason.
Stop erasing history.
This story is like red meat for the right wing trump dads out there! Maybe a sly dads day present from Kym? “Suck it up snowflakes!” Well I am not a trump dad but I was against removing the McKinley statue. I think it was iconic and maybe a little ironic, harmless as an old vagrant on the street. The name Mckinleyville is a mouthful, it’s not a nice name and I think it could only help that unfortunate town rebrand itself.
“Rebranding itself” is a point McVille residents should heed as a great reason, politics aside, for renaming.
Put it back Dows Prairie. Dows Prairie is such a beautiful name for a city.
Agreed. Dows Prairie is a lovely name.
Watch out. I am sure something can be dug up on Joe Dows.
Well then, let the digging begin!
I agree with those in favor of renaming the city Dows Prairie.
How about Humboldt Senior Community?
McKinley helped to steal Hawai’i……f*** that guy
Anyone involved with that crime should be outed and recognized for doing that!
Yup
Why? Hawaii is awesome, I’m glad its part of our country.
I would have stole Hawaii as well.
Hawaii’s glad, too, I wager.
it was either us the French or English, either way Hawaii was bound to be assimilated
HaHaHaHa
Resistance is futile.
I get a chuckle out of all the comments about “rewriting history” or similar terms. What history? If you pretend to be a true historian then read up on the history of when and why a place was named first and move on from there. Hopefully forward.
To those who decry the tearing down of statues as if they actual ‘teach’ anything, the simple answer is, they don’t teach a damn thing. Statues are just a block of stone or metal cut or molded to resemble someone. Big deal. A better approach would be to look at the history of, and here I repeat myself, when and why was it erected in the first place.
We live in a tear it down and haul it away nation. A sports stadium is built with all the latest in engineering and design and twenty years later it’s obsolete and the sports team owner want’s a new one, or he’s going somewhere else. The new stadium to be paid for by the tax-payer, of course, not him, which the local Chamber of Commerce always supports 110% – Hey! They’re entitled to a commission, you know.
We shouldn’t be tearing down any stadium. They have history, you know. Crap, I’m still pissed about Ebbet’s Field!
Went on Google Earth because a friend sent me a photo of the house I lived in thru high school. It just was torn down and a new Mc Mansion put up in its place. The rest of the burg I didn’t even recognize anymore. So what’s the big deal about tearing down some glorification put up by the Daughters of The Confederacy ? Aren’t all those old hags dead by now? Oops, there I go, impeaching the sanctity of the fair damsels of the south. Why if I were black somebody might want to lynch me from a tree for just saying that.
More locally some of you might recall, not that many years ago, that the CofC of Garberville-Redway wanted to name a bridge, that federal and state monies paid for, not them, after an early settler in the G’ville area, who, besides being a fine upstanding pillar of the 1850’s community, also allegedly engaged in the selling of Native American children. Now THAT proved interesting! The C of C president at first justified it by simply stating that “We decided to name it after [that person]!” Well, I guess that settles that, because as we all know, in any unincorporated area of Humboldt County, the C of C automatically becomes THE de facto govmint by default, or something!
The county got involved and finally it was decided just to name the bridge after the creek it spanned. Whew!
They even had a bridge dedication ceremony which involved Estelle Fennel cutting a ribbon, a former Supervisor presiding – the actual Supervisor had a bad back and couldn’t make it, (the smartest guy of all, LOL)- and the local HS band came to play. There were several photos in one of the local papers BUT, and this was the part that tickled me – there wasn’t one word typed by any reporter of that paper about the proceedings we were looking at. Not one. Just Bridge Dedication Ceremony across the top of the back page.
Good comment, thanks for the story and perspective.
I second that.
” So what’s the big deal about tearing down some glorification put up by the Daughters of The Confederacy ?”
President Grant was a closet Confederate, right?
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/503685-protesters-tear-down-statues-of-union-general-ulysses-s-grant-national
I’m not a fan of the deification of humans, but monuments run as a counterbalance to the endemic short attention span this culture has cultivated. Erase humanities past (both the good and bad) and it’s much easier to manipulate our present.
Do we really need statues “as a counterbalance to the endemic short attention span this culture has cultivated” when there are plenty of books and even, gasp!, photographic images of the very people these statues commemorate? Picture a family walking through GG Park and one of the children stops, points at a statue and says,”Dad, who’s that?” “Well, son, he was so and so and he did such and such and that’s why a stone image of him is standing here.” Would that really counterbalance anything? It would really depend upon the knowledge and abilities of the person answering the question(s) raised, wouldn’t it?
All I know is that I have been a Civil War buff since I could read. I can’t recall any statue of any player in that struggle that, taught me, inspired me, or, even raised a question. You get that in school, books, libraries and thoughtful discourse.
If the population is so short on attention that none of those avenues to knowledge appeal to it anymore, then we are effed as a culture anyway and no statue is going to change that.
Book burning is the next move.
Where does it stop? Tear down the Washington monument? Maybe Italy should implode the Colosseum. All these images create the fabric from where we came. If these destructive actions had any more maturity to them than the spasms of a toddler the “movement” would erect their effigies rather tan be hell bent on burning it all down.
The Colosseum must go! Slaves and atrocities.
The pyramids and other Egyptian monuments? Disgusting! The product of slave labor.
All things ancient Greece? Gone!
Is there a website where we can all go to report every thing in the world we find offensive? I want to talk to the manager.
Agreed. When the ‘Stupids’ are done,
they’ll probably erect their own ‘Bronze’
(or plastic).
Book burning is next
OIC, you’re just going to keep moving the goal posts to suit your argument. No one has properly demonstrated that removing statues invalidates any history. The history of any statue resides in WHEN it was put up; WHO put it up and; WHY it was put up. Those three questions are what you need to concentrate your mind on, if you are capable of that exercise, to have a real understanding of history. And, you know what? The vast majority of people couldn’t tell you the answer to any of those questions, which means, they are still historically ignorant no matter how long they gaze upon any particular statue. Have a nice day.
No, they’re (BLM and allies) moving the goal posts. First it’s confederate statues, then it’s Founding Fathers and now it’s Abraham Lincoln and U.S. Grant. The cascade of destruction is escalating. Yes, these statues are not the history itself but symbols and symbols play a big role in the human psyche. The Taliban did the same thing destroying all the Buddhist statues. Again, if this was beyond immature spasms of destruction these folks would put their energy into building rather than destroying.
Exactly Ullr,
…. and taking down statues, taking over the media, was the beginning of the Venezuela uprising as well.
These are not new tactics.
The oldest statue in the world is about 35,000 years old.
Do you think that is when the human story started?
…because apparently there is no history without statues to some of you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue#Prehistoric
So then you would be ok if protestors from the right tried to burn down Rev. Wrights church.
Wipe out every street,school, or statue of MLK, Rosa Parks etc.?
I don’t so why do you?
Whats good for the goose is…..
They are works of art, or if you prefer, reminders of why we have changed as much as we have.
Works of art! Did Rodin do a bust of Bob E. Lee? Or did any other known artist of repute? You might have something there if that were the case, but most of these CW statues were of cookie cutter concept for cheap, mass consumption. 100 years ago when the Daughters of the Confederacy had these homages to the Lost Cause erected THEY were being Politically Correct, for their times, in their communities. Ain’t that a kick! They were also erected with the intent to remind all the blacks in the neighborhood of who they were and what their place was: Subservient to the awesome powers of the superior and noble white Confederacy.
None of the black images and institutions you mentioned could ever hope to compete with that, nor was that ever their intent. Equality was and is. Where was/is the quality of Equality in Bob E. Lee? He. Never. Had. Any. He was a racist. Period.
So, erasing it does what? it doesn’t change the racist history. When you teach your grand children about the wrongness of it all there will be no face for them to see. After you erase the history there will be no reason for a Rosa Parks or MLK to mean what it does today.
For them to mean something, what they fought to correct must mean something. Otherwise they fought against something erased, doesn’t exist can’t be shown HAS NO FACE!
An iconoclast a person who attacks cherished beliefs, traditional institutions, etc. lives in a blank and bleak world lacking the ability to see the value of Leonardo Da Vinci , Picasso, and so many others.
What about books should we burn all of them too?
From your link: Throughout history, statues have been associated with cult images in many religious traditions, from Ancient Egypt, Ancient India, Ancient Greece, and Ancient Rome to the present.
I would add that some statues in this country are associated with cult images of geo-political traditions; e.g., Robert E. Lee, a popular image even in places north of the Mason Dixon line. He’s even revered around here in LoCo Land from comments I’ve seen. Why was/is he so popular?
Here’s an in-depth article on who he really was as a human being.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-myth-of-the-kindly-general-lee/529038/
Bottom line: He wasn’t a particularly nice man at all and caused an awful lot of people, both black and white, much suffering and pain. That doesn’t even include his treason.
I’m not one of the “some of you”. I am a total iconoclast. Tear them all down. Though I do like the Fearless Girl facing off the Bull of Wall Street.
I guess we could pretend humanity started when you arrived.
Or do you have limits to destruction?
I think Native Indians want to retain their history and archeological treasures. Even requesting they be preserved and/or returned to them.
Wow! Now useless statues erected to honor less then honorable WHITE people are equated with Native American artifacts. As far as I know, Native Americans didn’t build statues. Some erected totem poles of various meanings, but that’s about it. No protester in the BLM movement has suggested that Native American cultural items, including totem poles be destroyed. Neither am I.
Have a nice day.
Actually I’m discussing trying to wipe out culture and art no matter what culture it belongs to.
If it’s ok today for me,
tomorrow it just might be thee.
Destruction is for people who lack the ability to be constructive.
A good Day to you as well.
“The Battle of Antietam was the bloodiest day in American history null
So where was William McKinley during this horrible encounter? Distinguishing himself. With his regiment pinned down, McKinley took the initiative to run back to their supply tents, load up a wagon with enough cooked food to revitalize the beleaguered soldiers, and drive the wagon back through the battlefield under heavy fire.” https://study.com/academy/lesson/william-mckinley-during-the-civil-war.html
“He was elected governor of Ohio in 1891 and 1893, steering a moderate course between capital and labor interests… he secured the Republican nomination for president in 1896 amid a deep economic depression… Rapid economic growth marked McKinley’s presidency… However while public opinion called for war to liberate Cuba, McKinley favored a peaceful approach, hoping that through negotiation, Spain might be convinced to grant Cuba independence… but when negotiation failed he led the nation into the Spanish-American War of 1898. His campaign include a policy of “He warned against foreign interventions, “We want no wars of conquest. We must avoid the temptation of territorial aggression ”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McKinley
McKinley defeated William Jennings Bryant (if anti-evolution Scopes trial fame) for President. As to Hawaii, native Hawaiians had already lost independent rule to a rather ridiculous militia group of businessmen who had declared Hawaii a Republic. “The leaders of the Republic such as Sanford B. Dole and Lorrin A. Thurston were Hawaii-born descendants of American settlers who spoke the Hawaiian language but had strong financial, political, and family ties to the United States. They intended the Republic to become a territory of the United States. ” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Hawaii
May you all be remembered according to your own words now. May the simple minded haters be remembered only for the evil they actually created and their goals of good forgotten.
Look what I found! ? Just put them back to the original names! Maybe they can help?
https://www.wiyot.us/162/Wiyot-Placename-Video
They should rename all towns with a alphanumeric designation. McKinleyville can take the lead become A1. Fort Bragg A2. Or is the alphabet racist? Numbers came from Islam so we should be good there.
Nope, math is racist and numbers are part of math. If you don’t believe me do a 10 second google search. I find it hilarious
Holy shit. Stunned. There is a viral pandemic and it isn’t coronavirus; it’s stupidity.
Islam bad.
Racism better.
If we just removed McKinley, like Arcata did, we would be left with Ville. I could live there.
This is not North Arcata
Keep in mind none of you would be here to debate this if it weren’t for the mentality and efforts of people like him at the time… for better or worse
Or would we be here, but “here” and “we” would be completely alternate?
Lets start with our hero Larebee… he LOVED to dash the lil baby native brains out……Bragged on it,,,,,most pale in his shadow… him and his bloodthirsty lover Jarbo! lets git on it NOW!
When the soviets took over the USSR they rewrote history, changed city names, toppled monuments and even erased people from history before they started their campaign of terror. Seems like this is happening today backed by so called Democrats that are in reality socialist/communist that have noting in common with the JFK and his Democratic party.
Putinville then should suit you and his favorite president.
You seen to miss the historical fact urehich the comment was based on.
Trump is merely a show piece.
History is front and center for those astute to recognize the long game when you see it..
1. “Yeah, sure” keep coming with energy!
2. I learned the term McKlanlyville from all the white kids at McKinleyville High.
3. When people ask, “Is Humboldt that racist?” One of the first places I send them is the comments section almost any Kym Kemp / Redhead Blackbelt post.
Haha, people even make wild racist comments about random car accidents up here.
Yep…
What he said
True.
Should be renamed to Ocean Bluff
It has 1968 written all over it.
Actually 1860.
McKindlyville 🙂
Where rainbows have the right of way
Not sure it suits the area, but it’s a great name.
Winchestertonfieldville Or Muckville
We should go one step further, if you all are dedicated to the “cause”, require all people with surnames of these racist slaveowners to change their names. We’ll work on the first names at a latter date.
With the Americas having been conquered and settled by Europeans over the past 500 years they had a lot of opportunity to name towns after the people who founded them or were admired by the founders and places after those who “discovered” them or what have you. However, these people generally lived at least a hundred years ago and many held views that would be considered politically incorrect today. That will always be a problem with naming places for some person. Time moves on and that person’s flaws will eventually be deemed to outweigh whatever virtues they had.
The solution is to change the names of any place named for a person (or a saint in the case of areas settled by the Spanish) and to outlaw any future naming after people lest the people of today one day be viewed with disfavor by our progeny.
The safest would be a numbering system as you will never run out of numbers. Fort Bragg could be renamed 1. McKinleyville could be renamed 2. Or perhaps we just use postal codes.
With states it might be a bit easier as only a handful are named for people, but PA could be A, VA could be B, then the Carolinas, Georgia and Washington.
The tricky part might be cities such as Seattle or Pontiac named for actual Indians. Should those cities also be assigned a number or do we think it will always be acceptable to leave them as is?
How about Rancho Castillos.
Name it Seattle. Progs love Seattle.
Nah. We Progs like Tulsa better. It has… pizzazz.
TrinHaven, lol,
Is it the Arcata/Eureka Airport or the Eureka/Arcata Airport? One road sign says it’s simply the Arcata Airport. Or is it the California Redwood Coast- Humboldt County Airport?
No matter. For me, it will always be McKinleyville International.
Then there’s Eureka Natural Foods. We prefer to call it McKinleyville Fine Foods, and it is !
I hope this doesn’t gain traction, it’s such a waste of time and money right now. To Mr. Madrone and county officials I hope we can keep some focus on priorities:
1. Staying vigilant and supporting our community through the pandemic
2. Examining what can be done locally to reform our police and sheriff departments in positive ways
Renaming McKinleyville won’t create change. It will rehash the politicized debate we just had last year. Maybe there is a time for this but it’s not now. Again, last thing we need right now.
Eraserville
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” ― George Orwell, 1984
Sound familiar?
President McKinley’s life, his civil war service to rid America of slavery, restore Africian American’s political power, voting power and rights, plus his devotion to his wife & family are well documented historical fact. A man who served well as Governor of Ohio. A President assassinated – shot down by a crazed individual, whose political achievements, his personal character while both governor, president, , are notable, significant and worthy of high honor. He was not perfect; he didn’t chase interns around the Oval Office, nor did he coverup, lie and commit crimes within the same Oval Office – then record the conspiracy, then tell the nation, “I am not a crook!” Residents of McKinleyville can be proud of their community name. Call the other members of the BOS, let them know that enough is enough. I vote to keep McKinley in McKinleyville.
Yes lets do it…
Because it does nothing to make anyone’s life better…
but it LOOKS like we’re doing something and it costs people money!
Do you have a business there, live there? Well, redo all your advertising, business cards, letter head, Logo’s,Change your websites, call all your friends and family tell them you have a new address, and on and on…
Lets imagine that RHBB was considered a racist name what would Kym have to go through to change it??
How many that come here would get lost in the process?
Does anyone actually think things through?
Amazing. We agree.
Ho-ray, finally, there’s hope ….!
All folks need is to come to small agreements and eventually they add up to some common ground.
Well, if it’s our pockets that are being affected and our phyche because people thinking we are racist. I’m okay with that. It’s not like we are being murdered like in the 1860’s, when the land was taken and now we have a fine system in place. Look at us now! (Sarcasm)
In one sense it’s about branding. Lots of people come to Humboldt County for all our area has to offer. But how much of that money is spent in McKinleyville?
Honey, let’s spend our vacation on the North Coast this summer with an overnight at McKinleyville.
Or, Honey let’s spend our vacation on the North Coast this summer with an overnight in beautiful Seaside, (Ocean Bluffs, Clam Beach, etc.). I hear they have some great breweries and dispensaries there and it’s a gateway to the wonderful beaches in the area…