Humboldt County Will Issue Order Directing People to Shelter at Home Starting at Midnight
Coronavirus [Image from Center for Disease Control]
Only media are allowed at the press conference and only one representative from each media outlet.
However, the email said, “The news conference will be live-streamed for the public via Access Humboldt’s television Channel 10 and its YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/
UPDATE on what the Shelter at Home order means here: https://kymkemp.com/2020/03/19/humboldt-county-news-conference-about-covid-19/
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When will the press conf be taking place
Sorry. Fixed that now. 2 p.m.
Will it be live streamed?
Yes. I will embed it on this site also.
Thanks Kym. I tried to click on the youtube link you have and it won’t open for me. Will the embedded link be something different?
Thanks for your work.
Does anyone know if they mentioned how long this will be for? Or if they had an estimation considering it’s a virus and prob no real pinpointed time?
You should be assuming 45 days is likely best-case scenario.
The virus is the least of all of our problems
Where does the 45 days likelihood come from?
His imagination.
Remember folks, just because a person thinks and pretends he knows everything doesn’t make it true.
There are plenty of reasons why.
One reason why is the federal tax deadline was just extended 3 months to July 15th.
The Chinese people of Hubei province were not even allowed to leave their homes and it took 2 months to control the outbreak.
We are behind that curve.
Honest to God, if one more Person acts like this is no big deal – like the dumb fucks that actually went on Spring Break to Florida and complained the bars were closed and how it was affecting their ability to party and be stupid.
The stupid, the foolish – the young. Thinking they are invincible will be the catalyst for the disaster in the United States. Mark my words. HELL MARK THE WORDS OF ITALY!
Their young people acted the same way and look at what happened to their community. Decimated! This is not propaganda people. This is what you young and foolish and ignorant millennials like to poke fun at. You post ignorant things about “Boomers”. You anit-vaxers, and ostriches with heads in the sand thinking “I can’t see it, it can’t see me”. I won’t be sad for you while you wither away in the ICU. IF YOU CAN EVEN GET A BED. And I will be happy to say – “you brought it on yourself”.
Jesus.. You are angry.. Calm thebfuckndown
#calmthefuckdown
10s of Millions have it! The purge is here. Accept it. Don’t panic. Life goes on.
K, I agree with everything you said except I surely hope no one gets it up here. Or anywhere for that matter. But clearly it’s almost everywhere. ?
I’ve been scoffed at. Laughed at to my face by my boss. People just won’t listen! Even when we have Italy telling us to stop everything and self isolate. We are going to see deaths in the billions from this! It’s horrific! And could of been prevented! That’s the most aggravating thing! We were told, warned given advance warning with photos and documents. But, no, “we will be fine “. Fools ??
Unfortunately we have a fair amount of FOX viewers in our Emerald Triangle.
Undoubtedly their lax attitude regarding the virus will not help our community.
Sooner we attack this than the less time we will have to deal with it. The longer it persists -the longer and harder the measures will be to counter it.
I was the only person in Weaverville yesterday wearing latex gloves at Post Office, gas station and grocery store.
Though I was happy to see the Holiday employees were all gloved up too.
Most of Trinitys permanent residents are at risk.
The wave of death may be undeniable for all, even in our communities, in a few weeks.
I think it’s time to end the political talk. It’s dividing us, and slowing us down. We need to focus on helping our community now. Not right wing community, or left wing community, your friends and neighbors, despite their political opinions community. This is up to us, not the politicians.
There are plenty of millennial Bernie supporters acting dumb too…this is not about politics…idiots come in all political persuasions.
I tend to think that pointing out problems is never a problem.
The problem of misinformation is evident on this and every other thread.
It’s pissing me off.
This could have been avoided in too many ways.
Being pissed off is no excuse for deliberatelypissing others off. Endlessly…
If the problematic perspectives were to disappear, criticism of it would too.
And then you would be happy.
Win/win.
Problematic perspectives on BOTH sides of the isle.
What is the problem from your point of view?
Pinochet was pretty effective at making “problematic perspectives” disappear. Too bad for you his methods won’t fly here.
Death in the billions lol. You realize covid-19 has only infected 220,000 people and killed 9500 in the entire world right? You do realize that the influenza type A virus going around, which happens to be h1n1, has infected 36 million people, hospitalized 376,000 people and is responsible for 22,000 deaths in the United States alone? The fear is because of the fact that we don’t know much about this coronavirus. It actually has a very low fatality rate compared to a lot of coronaviruses. Did you know that the majority of people who die in the U.S. from viral pneumonia, is caused by coronaviruses? This is nothing new…
COVID-19 has over 10x the death rate of the flu and will infect about 80% of the population within a couple of months if nothing is done to stop it. With a death rate of 2-4% of the population that means about 4 million Americans dead. 4 million Americans dead. 4 million Americans dead. And within a very short time. Many more whose health is permanently injured by the infection, many more without a parent, spouse, doctor, loved one, child, bread-winner.
Despise me if you want, but take this virus seriously.
1911, where do you get your information?
Flu: 1/1000 death rate
Covid: 1-7/100 death rate
Actually it’s totally new. That’s why it’s called a novel virus. Novel definition is “of a new kind; different from anything seen or known before”.
And 95% to 98% of pneumonia cases are not a coronavirus.
“The most commonly isolated viruses in childhood pneumonia requiring hospitalization are respiratory syncytial virus (RSV, 28%), rhinovirus (27%), human metapneumovirus (HMPV, 13%), adenovirus (11%), influenza viruses (7%), parainfluenza (7%), and coronavirus (5%). In adult CAP, viruses are isolated at a lower rate of 10-29%, and the most common viruses among adults requiring hospitalization are rhinovirus (9%), influenza viruses (6%), human metapneumovirus (4%), RSV (3%), parainfluenza (2%), and coronavirus (2%). ”
But none of that has anything to do with covid. It’s a brand new virus we’ve never seen before, and have no immunological defenses for it.
But keep on pushing the Republican talking points. It’s a sure fire way to let thing get totally out of control. And to the person who said that this isn’t a political fight and Bernie supporters are just as dumb as Trump I’d like to point out a major difference. Whether there are Bernie people stupid enough to pretend everything is fine I don’t know, though I doubt it. But there would be a major difference if there was and that is the simple fact that Bernie himself is not stupid and would have done the right thing from the beginning whereas Trump still has his head far up his butt.
And yes this whole affair needs to be politicized or we are going to end up with a continuation of this stupidity and madness we see in Trump and Pence and McConnell and the rest of the hairbrain twits leading us into destruction.
Thank you.
How is the CDC less prepared under Trump, than they were under Obama?
The CDC is not the kind of place presidents make big political changes. If the CDC is unprepared, they likely have been for a long time.
Under Fire For Coronavirus Response, Trump Officials Defend Disbanding Pandemic Team
https://time.com/5806558/administration-officials-fight-criticism/
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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/
The CDC is only part of the story.
And fortunately the Democrats kept Trump from cutting as much funds as he wanted to from the CDC budget.
And if Trump didn’t take this seriously a week ago, what do you think he said to his briefings and officials on Jan 3 when Thailandand Singapore started health screenings?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_in_November_2019_–_January_2020
This is just like the anti Tump blithering about how the tax cut meant smaller refunds. It was simply hard for them to grasp that smaller tax bills and a lower withholding meant that more money was left in people’s hands throughout the year as the government took less so of course therefore smaller refunds. It just did not mean what the ATs thought it meant.
I’ve seen and heard more people in their 50+ not take this seriously than anything else always falling back on “freedom” and “‘merica.”
Of course it serious. It’s just not the Armageddon the liberals want it to be… At least until after the election.
You think this is a liberal agenda?
Now I know why you hate my comments.
Bro you need to chill the fuck out , I’m one of those dumb fucks trying to go out and enjoy my life , maybe you’re passed that time In YOURS but not everyone even watches the news dude . You just threw a tantrum Like a child and contradicted everything said . By acting like “young dumb fuck “.
What about work
Are people insane?
Why are we allowing ourselves to be subjected to this nonsense?
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Good Lord. Push back? Maybe all the people who want to “push back” should have a massive corona party together. Well away from any town center. With no cell phone access. Have a 3 week jubilee! Just stay the fck away from the rest of us.
That commentor is a troll pushing disinformation from Russia.
I thought he had been banned, unfortunately I was wrong.
Yep
From Russia? You’re just as deluded as he is, just in a different way.
Not different. Humbots of any kind just parrot. They just make different sounds.
Pushing disinformation is done by those claiming others are pushing disinformation.
That can be true. But not always.
Sometimes it’s done by media and a Republican Senate for a reason.
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-uscellular-us-revc&source=android-browser&sxsrf=ALeKk03pgyGqnQloEyhbfbn6_XdQHaBWDw%3A1584668623886&ei=zx90Xt7YNaOxggeL4pjQAw&q=senate+report+on+russia+disinformation&oq=senate+report+on+russia+disinformation&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.12…0.0..5864…0.0..0.1303.1303.7-1……0.UA1bykZvKGQ
But the specific comment made by M.I.T.USA is not really anything at all.
Its prior comments I’m eluding too.
Schiff and company are not a credible source. They’ve been playing politics all along and that should be obvious to anyone with a functioning brain. You might want to consider what happened to the DOJ’s case against Concord et al. for “election interference.” You know, the one that was supposed to be the “smoking gun.” Dismissed with prejudice!
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/03/justice-department-drops-case-against-russian-influence-campaign-while-new-fake-claims-arise-1.html#more
https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2020/03/cornerstone-of-russia-hacked-the-2016-election-collapses-by-larry-c-johnson.html
Schiff?
Why are you bringing up him.
I just lead you to a Republican led Senate report on Russian interference and disinformation.
Republican Senate Report.
Not Schiff.
Still, when the rubber hits the road – in court – the subjective “Russia interfered in the 2016 election” narrative was resoundingly tossed. Here’s a review of the New York Times’ recent attempts to sell the narrative:
https://consortiumnews.com/2020/03/17/the-new-york-times-insidious-ongoing-disinformation-campaign-on-russia-elections/
That’s ridiculous.
To deny the impact or veracity of 80,000 posts from the IRA by counting the total amount of posts on Facebook in the same time frame is wholly absurd.
Gotta hand it to you, you got on it in the wee hours! Were you monitoring Trump tweets or something?
The case that those 80,000 posts, a large portion of which were non-political, and which continued after the election, were part of a Russian government sponsored election influence operation, is what just got dismissed with prejudice. With prejudice means that the case can’t be re-filed after fine tuning. It’s done.
80,000 posts by a cheesy click-bait marketing operation, representing one in 413 million posts during the same period, isn’t much of an “influence operation.” Your blithering about such factual references being “ridiculous” and “absurd” is mere posturing. You have no credible argument.
There is every indication that the political ads, which included some anti-Trump as well as pro-Trump content, were a hook to draw people towards commercial content.
He’s been banned, Brian. He just evades me occasionally.
Something else Guest won’t acknowledge.
That you have a serial troll who does have a fixation on me because I have a knack in calling him out and his BS.
It’s ok Guest. No apologies necessary.
Just ignore it. Keep on getting after me.
It’s just that’s no excuse for being a troll in turn. It’s so not all about you. That’s a side show.
This “nonsense” as you put it, so you’re telling me the WHOLE world is wrong and you know better than all the doctors in the world. ??
According to the whole world, this version of the corona virus has a much lower mortality rate than previous ones we were told were going to kill us all.
Most people exposed show no symptoms.
Others show mild symptoms.
A very small percentage develop symptoms severe enough to be seen by a doctor.
A few of them die.
The mortality rate is lower than MERS, or SARS, and way lower than something which is already here, has been here for years, and kills around 20,000 people every year in the US , which is MRSA.
If we didn’t react this hysterically to any of them, why should we react this hysterically to this?
The, “whole world,” is not saying this is necessary, nor are, “all the doctors in the world.”
Take deep breaths. Stay calm. Open your eyes. Use your reason.
It’s not here. It was, and it went away. If it is still here, running around in secret, it is not making people ill, on any large scale.
Where it has been, it has not proven to be any worse, and actually a lot less worse, than previous versions.
We have more to worry about from MRSA, than from this.
Steve, review this please.
https://kymkemp.com/2020/03/19/humboldt-county-will-issue-order-directing-people-to-shelter-at-home-starting-at-midnight/#comment-1006129
We are just getting started.
Do not be 8 days behind the curve.
Do Not be extrapolating into irrationality. You think this is the first pandemic the world has ever been through? The mortality rate for the Spanish Flu was about 20% of those who caught it. You better just hope that covid-19 doesn’t really morph into something worse than the overestimation you are making it out to be now. So far covid-19 is less than half of that in the worst distortions you’ve come up with and in most places its much less than that. Now that is worth getting hysterical about.
Covid appears to have an overall 4% fatality rate, but the older you are, the higher it is, but…. the real danger is the hospital system. Lets say you get in a car wreck while they are overrun with people dying and crying in the halls. You haven’t got a flu, but you are going to be in the hall too. Or your dad has a heart attack. What going to happen to him?
whether you are 20 and in great health or 90 and hoping to stay another year, this thing is a big deal.
the first responders and the hospital staff do not need to be overrun. they deserve a calm, steady workflow that they can manage. As my friend said, “wait, all I got to do to save the world is stay home and do nothing? oh,, count me in.”
“At present, it is tempting to estimate the case fatality rate by dividing the number of known deaths by the number of confirmed cases. The resulting number, however, does not represent the true case fatality rate and might be off by orders of magnitude […]
“A precise estimate of the case fatality rate is therefore impossible at present.”
2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV): estimating the case fatality rate – a word of caution – Battegay Manue et al., Swiss Med Wkly, February 7, 2020
https://smw.ch/article/doi/smw.2020.20203
The statistical extrapolation of data is only going to yield accurate results if the initial input of data is accurate. Without a much higher testing rate and more time any data at this point is guess work.
First personally I tick off every box in the “Are you at risk” trope. I am among those most likely to die of this disease. So I have taken myself out of the milieu as much as possible already despite the assumption that was in that comment that somehow I expect to be invulnerable just because I disagree with TBR’s misunderstood stats and panic mongering which creates unbalanced behavior. Not calm at all. It creates hoarding, overreaction and other irrational behavior. Self isolation is actually harmed by it.
Second I think it is a civic duty to act as if I could get very sick for the exact reason that it helps spread out the infections so that others can get help if they need it and I can do it. So I do. It’s good for me and the nation if I do so.
Third these isolation orders are like hitting a pause button, not a reset, and certainly are not going to keep most people from being infected sooner or later. This will be long and continuing haul until a successful vaccine is developed which will likely have a few twists along the way. Panic prevents intelligent action and causes more damage that would happen with rational decisions were made.
And last, the mortality rate varies due to the populations, quality of public health and citizen commitment. Italy is extreme on the high end of fatality levels because it is older and that generation smokes more, along with being burdened by constant political turmoil in government. South Korea (and China too for that matter) is on the low end because it is younger. South Korea has not yet made mass, country wide shut downs of their economy because it has very specifically targeted outbreaks and reassured its populace of the ability to control the outbreak without such draconian disruptions. But over all the demographics of the world is much like the US- a bit higher than South Korea but a lot less than Italy. So the rate of mortality in the end will be closer to South Korea than Italy and no where near TRB’s and less than 4% too.
https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/why-are-koreas-covid-19-death-rates-so-low/
And that reality should weigh with the US’s policies. Not self damaging hysteria causing the Phyrric victory that political agenda wants to dictate. Yes, the lack of testing is a failure here but it is not so critical that we are totally blind. We know where people are getting sick and can use that to have a good idea of what the future holds. But only if we keep our heads and not panic.
I suppose it’s too late for rational thinking but that doesn’t mean I have to approve of the irrational.
I agree with some of what you are saying but you are wrong saying we know where people are sick. “Sacramento’s top health official said Thursday that testing for the coronavirus in the region is so far behind where it should be that the actual number of people infected with the virus here could be 20 to 100 times higher than what’s been reported.” https://www.sacbee.com/news/coronavirus/article241306066.html?
We are already waaaaaaaay behind S. Korea numbers.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
We have twice the deaths already, untold numbers of undiagnosed cases, twice the amount of diagnosed cases.
S. Korea has begun to flatten their curve.
We are just beginning our curve.
7:00 am and theres already 500 deaths today. Italy hasn’t reported, but will add another 500 give or take. US is adding all day.
You’ll see.
Just like 8 days ago, when I was using S. Korea as an example of doing thi is right- you fought me on it.
Now your using it.
And more recently I’ve been telling you that Thailand, Singapore, Hong Kong are even better examples of what went right – you’re fighting me on it.
I was off by two days in predicting Italys rise from 350 a day to 450 deaths a day.
I was using a formula, and it had been based on a 7 day average or diagnosis to death.
The average had turned to 8 without my knowledge.
Now Italy has averaged 450 deaths per day, for 2 days in a row.
Where the hell is my gross over extrapolation?
It’s math. And its holding up so far.
Now, I said in the comment your bashing that conservatively 8,000 more people will die in 8 more days.
More realistically, more than 8,000 people will die in 8 days.
Again, 8 days ago the daily death toll was 336.
It has tripled in 8 days.
If you don’t understand, or agree, that’s ok. I can operate normally with your skepticism and insult.
The broad range extrapolation is what it is.
A worst case extrapolation says we may be seeing a rise of deaths by 24,000 in 8 days.
I don’t know if it will be that, I sure hope not.
But it won’t be less than what it was today, 1,000 per day, bringing another 8,000 souls to their end.
And that’s pretty bad.
And it isn’t a liberal agenda.
Perhaps I’m not the only one doing the math, and perhaps that is why there is such a strong international response.
In 8 days, you can call me out or STFU.
I doubt you will acknowledge any accuracy.
You don’t do that.
You just demand an end to bashing Team Trump and FOX.
And you ignore all the times you have gotten it wrong.
I demand understanding of arithmetic and statistics. But I predict that will not be increased because I demand it. I know it’s not all about me. I just wish you would stop making it all about you. You predict nothing that any other sensible person could not see yet think that makes your other ideas invincible.
Trump did not cause this situation. The worse that can be said is that he did not see what almost no one else saw as important nor understand the feeding frenzy that would result from fear. That is a defect of a non politician in office; underestimating the mob. I wish that I did not have to defend Trump because he is not really very defensible. But his haters are so irrational that a person could spend their entire life responding to it. Futilely too because intelligence is not a learned attribute. My saying you are wrong is not the same as saying Trump is perfect- a point you can not grasp either.
No, you dont say Trump is perfect.
You just can’t stand criticism of him.
You’ve put yourself out on a limb by saying “he’s not perfect” and has “his faults”.
Italy announced a 627 deaths in the last 24 hours.
Right on track for about 900 a day in 5 more days give or take.
World daily deaths is 1,200 so far today.
I’m not irrational to criticize Trump, no, but you think it’s more irrational to criticize Trump than to spread outright bullshit about Democrats, or right wing cobspiracy, paranoia and ignorance.
Your not objective, and your very often wrong.
You think I think “it’s about me” when all I’m demanding through my commenting is accuracy, or the best attempt of it.
Plane tickets to Asia are super cheap. You should go
Cruise ship discounts. Buy 1 week get 2 weeks free.
But they might not let him off the plane.
Only to arrest him.
Why are you still in denial?
Uneducated idiocy. Seriously, wake up.
Listen to the interviews of the people who are dying. THEN you can actually be informed on the facts instead of spewing rhetoric.
Steve,
thanks.
Maybe because we don’t want vulnerable loved ones to die, or be unable to obtain treatment because so many people are sick at once?
Something like that.
Do we want to collapse the economy, maybe starve people, in pandering to irrationality either?
Ummm and midnight will make it tomorrow.
And at midnight it will be Friday the 20th. Cmon now.
What time will this be live streamed?
The anti-revolution will not be televised!
Only kidding; it will be. Ad nauseam.
It says the press conference starts at 2 so probably then
Um but at midnight it becomes Friday.
Midnight would be Friday ..
Midnight tonight is technically Friday…
Steve, we are allowing this because there are people in our society who are too stupid and/or ignorant to work together to keep this from rapidly spreading and over burdening our health care system, such as in Italy.
Agreed!!!
I drive to work in the hill’s alone and then drive back home! I am not exposed to one person during that whole day. Some people need to work, especially in this area.We are farmers ,homesteaders, blue-collar workers they can’t afford just to stay at home and just wait.
It doesn’t apply to work. Or going outside to exercise. Or to the store. It’s a quarantine, not a curfew…
I believe work is considered essential and is A-OK. Groceries, gas, employment, elder care should all be fine. Just no pointless socializing in large numbers, concerts, meetings etc.
Coastal: you don’t buy gas? Groceries? Then I guess you have no exposure.
We all have to go to the grocery store and get gas it’s part of life.
Maybe we should all hoard food!
Hate to point it out to folks who do you think is profiting from all this!
And PS the government doesn’t know shit!!!
And if they did they wouldn’t tell us the truth anyway..
My point is I just live my life!
We are blessed to live in a rural area with a small population.
That’s what’s keeping us Safer than most from this virus
Ehat about elderly parents.. can we not go to their house to check on them?
Never heard of telephones? You could infect your parents and make them gravely ill, or worse, by visiting them in anything but a caregiver capacity. And if you must be physically present with your parents, be extra vigilant so that you are not infected by a third party.
What is the point of this bs?
You actually don’t know???
Life saved could be yours or your loved ones.
Funda,
thanks,
Survival, damage control. Duh.
On this site? Politics.
I got to work. I sont get food stamps and other shit. Got to pay my Bill’s and support my family. Until my place of employment shuts down I have to work
Then go to work! It’s allowed! Just don’t socialize. Stay 6 feet away from others as much as you can, wash your hands a lot, and stay home if you’re sick if your job means being around others (even 6 feet). Stop grousing/bragging about your work ethic. Just do it.
“I don’t get food stamps “.
So what…
Well it a good thing our economy has been thriving and can take this hit….
Yeah, thriving for rich people. And the stock market doesn’t reflect jack shit.
Anyone with half a brain knows that most Americans are a paycheck away from disaster. This is no time for Trump rhetoric and bullshit.
This is not time for hysterical rhetoric at all yet there it is.
Did the tangerine man infect your thoughts I have heard that stupid can be as contagious as a virus
Hey Mr. tangerine man, play a song for me. I’m not sleepy and there is no place I’m going to.
Currently under shelter in place in SF. There are exemptions for essential workers to work, etc. This includes food workers including farmers and a whole list of others. Unless under quarantine everyone is allowed outside to take care of others, walk, go for food, medicine, etc. It will be outlined in the order. Enjoy what there is to enjoy. Read, sing, dance, work from.home. It’s so the healthcare system isn’t overwhelmed when ithe virus really takes off.
So how will this actually effect our day to day life? Meaning what are the orders or guidelines on how to properly conduct oneself in a shelter in place situation?
Don’t get caught canoodling in public.
This hasnt been confirmed yet. At 2pm the city is going to have a meeting.
After two weeks pass and then let us outside again, the virus will still be around and it will spread. They need 2 weeks to get more supplies because there will be that many people sick. Yes it’s a flu. But no flu has spread this far and fast. No h1n1 did not kill over 100 Americans in less the 2 months.
Yes it did. I dont think theyre the sanr but h1n1 did kill a lot of people. Including 100 in a month
Yes it did. I dont think theyre the sanr but h1n1 did kill a lot of people. Including 100 in a month.
Many people born before 1958 had immunity to H1N1. I remember having “Hong Kong flu” and being really sick and feverish during my eighth grade year in 1958 (now you know how old I am). In 2009 when H1N1 hit here, it was the same virus come around again 50 years later. The three younger folks I shared an office with were all sick as dogs, esp. the one I worked most closely with, and I never had even the sniffles. But NO ONE has natural immunity to coronavirus because it is brand-new!
Not the flu. This is new/novel virus mutated from animals to which humans have no natural immunity. The elderly are hardest hit with deadly and sudden pneumonia. We are complying to slow down the rate of infection to avoid infection and also to give our health care system time to catch up and not be overwhelmed. Check out history less from Spanish flu, the difference between St. Louis and Philadelphia in how they reacted and what happened.
Is this the beginning of Martial Law?
Ask Alex Jones…
He got a DUI last week.
He’s testified as being under psychosis for his Sandy Hook lies and now has a DUI.
Red flags!
Time to take his guns away.
I saw that. Alex Jones is testament to what happens to your brain when you go full on with the conspiracy weirdness. We are witnessing it with some (one?) of the commenters here.
That combined with complete submission to Trump and well, there you have it…
This is considered Marshall Law and they technically cannot do this without ordering it. It is against the constitution! The government is trying to cover something up. There were more cases and deaths with the H1N1 virus and we didn’t invoke this type of hypocrisy. People need to understand the facts before jumping on board with something that goes against ours rights as the people of the United States.
Martial buddy. Martial
Elon Musk just came out with the first microchip you can implant in your brain to make phone calls and access the internet. There is a bill quietly tiptoeing called the EARN IT Act that would allow Law Enforcment a backdoor into encrypted programs on the internet. Basically the end of “end-to-end” encryption. It does away with Section 230 which allows service providers on the internet to provide a platform for their users to use without the company being held responsible for their users actions. If it passes it will allow law enforcement to view all encrypted services, be it what you’ve stored in the iCloud, what’s in your online bank statements, PayPal, Venmo, access information stored on your Alexa and your RING security system. Basically the 2nd half of the Patriot Act. As the Obama administration so famously said, “Never waste a good crisis.”
Well, this does not sound fun at all.
Still need to get food be safe use wipes clean your shopping carts door handles
And don’t forget hoard toilet paper.
exactly how are poor people supposed to do this? people that live day by day can not quarantine themselves it is that simple
You’re still allowed to work, stop being stupid… SMH.
A better term might be “Self isolate at home as much as possible”. This might reduce the amateur epidemiologists’ anxieties.
It’s confusing, but “isolation” is the term they use for those who are already infected and have to stay at home in their own room/bathroom.
Many businesses are not following basic reccomendations, and many of the public aren’t either. If folks are too stupid to simply not breathe on each other, or not touch each other then often times these measures are implemented.
Take rio dell/scotia. Mingos was door open with a packed bar patrons bumping elbows, Shotz decided they were going to put their tables and seating back in, Roots 101 has decided they believe they are an essential buisness and as such dont have to obey any Reccomendations or orders. These decisions are made with money in mind and without any science or education behind them… it’s just business as usual…
article today said speakeasy was open in Eka.. it was the bartenders choice…so when people dont listen, more extreme measures are often times implemented.
You have to ask yourself, how many non believers are out there? Many… how many non believers are taking basic precautions? Not many. How many of us believers or non believers can even get tested? Not many.. do the math. People are selfish, some are ignorant, many are both…
Thank you to those who are listening and doing their best to do their civic duty to others around them. Minimize your trips out, stop unnecessary cross contamination, and try to help reduce exposure. Everyone else is an asshole.
There are two ways to protect yourself- either get everyone to do it or do it yourself. And good luck with the first.
Can we go down south to help relatives?
I read the shelter in place order from the Bay area and yes, helping relatives and others is considered essential travel.
Don’t chip me bro,
Thanks.
Contrary to the paranoia whipped up by certain commenters here (trolls) I do believe that there are no road blocks stopping you from traveling down south. Have plenty of hand wipes, etc on board.
This does not just effect older people. Here’s the NYT, you can also find these same statistics elsewhere. Younger people need to know this or there will be more deaths and intensive care patients who are young. If a person is sick enough to be in intensive care, they don’t always recover 100%.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/health/coronavirus-young-people.html
“New C.D.C. data shows that nearly 40 percent of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were age 20 to 54. But the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people.
[…]
The report, issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that — as in other countries — the oldest patients had the greatest likelihood of dying and of being hospitalized. But of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger — between 20 and 54. And nearly half of the 121 patients who were admitted to intensive care units were adults under 65, the C.D.C. reported.”
I think I heard the half of Germany’s SARS-Cov2 patients hospitalized are under 65 years old.
I think some of the rates are because of social behavior as well. People in their 20’s and early 30’s have this misinformed idea they are not likely to get severely sick.
Also, Italy has a very touch-y culture. Frequent hugs. Some Asian cultures and Arabic cultures have less social distancing normally than other cultures. It’s ok to be touching strangers in a crowd or breathing on acquaintances. Finland is the other extreme where people can be 5 – 10 ft away from each other naturally at bus stops etc. A lot of subcultures in the US have a natural social distance of 3 to 4 ft.
You fail to mention that those young people had underlying health conditions, diabetes is included, but any lung problems, asthma, puts you at risk no matter what your age. Please stop spreading misinformation. Only telling half the story is still a lie.
Your not accurate in your assumption of pre-existing conditions in all deaths.
In today’s 12 hours, 1,000 people have died from Covid.
It isn’t slowing down, its speeding up.
You are the one who is assuming. No one but you said “all.” “Underlying risks” are the words the medical experts use. You disagree with the medical experts?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
Worldwide doubling time twelve days as of 3/18. Of course that varies a lot country by country. China is flattening the curve while Italy is blowing up.
https://www.bing.com/covid
Edit: The curve is more severe if only active cases are considered. Doubling time five days.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
The average death after diagnosis is 8 days now.
Today, the world hit 1000 deaths in one day, and it might end the day at 1,100 or more.
Conservatively, in 8 days 8000 more people will die.
Bringing the total deaths to 18,000 give or take.
Realistically, if you go to the death count of 8 days ago you’ll see it was 336 in a day.
The daily death count has tripled in 8 days.
8 days ago the new case count per day was 7,375.
We are (today) at 26,000 new cases a day.
The daily new case count has more than tripled.
In 8 days, we will have more than another 8,000 victims of this virus.
Nope, not all had underlying conditions. Wash your hands. Stay 6 ft away. Use gloves.
That’s actually good news in a weird way. The greater the disparity of symptoms with infection, the greater the chance that the virus can spread without warning until it’s a crisis situation.
I hope you all realize those numbers are total bs. They’ve hardly tested anybody. The dumb headlines oh now 50 states have it. Hello if it spreads sooo easy with international travel as common as it is it’s BEEN here! I’m sure waaaay more people have it then they say so comparing the deaths to the limited amount of people they test gives a false percentage. Then using those numbers saying well 2 million Americans will die is a complete lie!!!!
This is going to screw more people over finically than their health but having people poor and hungry is perfectly fine gets no attention!?
Since those statistics pertain to the group that required medical intervention, so they’re pretty tight sets. Your argument pertains to a different issue, in addition to being faulty in its own way.
Fear is the mind killer. Kill the mind virus. Wether or not the virus is as bad as they say and not like the dozen other times we’ve been fear mongered in the past with swine flu and Ebola etc etc. This is making everyone be driven by fear to give up what precious rights we still have. Or should I say had?
Sounds like your afraid, for all the wrong reasons.
I think most of us are at least concerned and taking precautions. But why not both? Can’t we be cautious and think at the same time?
If you don’t get it, you just don’t get it.
Good time to be home.. Get ahead in garden and homestead tasks.. Even if we lose money at least we got food no?
Absolutely! It’s gorgeous today!
Thank you for pointing out the up side of being stuck at home. I’m getting a lot done. Let’s make lemonade out of lemons and roll with the FACT that less people running around means less spread of the virus. It’s really simple, no need to complicate it with conspiracy and complaints.
Restarted my garden enthusiasm today. Might need the food if things keep going thus way.
Today Italy surpassed chinas death total of covid 19
Yesterday China had 0 new infections
We are on the Italy path of infection spikes.
A friend who lives in SF had his place of employment, a print shop where he’s worked for 15 years, shuttered by government order and was told that he should go home and shelter in place. For three days he’s been staying home in his studio apartment for which he pays $1000 a month, shops at Safeway early in the morning and now is going to apply for a job at Safeway because they are the only ones hiring. The same at Costco. He sees ignorant people drinking in the bars and shopping with no care that they could be infecting other people. So incredibly selfish. You don’t have to be elderly, immune system compromised or exposed to the virus at an airport or bar to get this thing. One pastor said all he got was a slight cough, but tested positive and so may have infected the hundreds of people he sees in the three churches that he’s associated with. Another person came home from work at 6PM with slight flu like symptoms. By 10PM her fever had spiked, by 3 AM she’s in the ER fighting for her life. She did recover but said it was like her body was fighting itself. You, nor anyone in the county, the neighboring county (one positive so far in Mendo), or anywhere should take this lightly. There is no vaccine. There is no cure. So heed the warnings of our health dept and STAY HOME, except for essentials like food. And if you start feeling ill call your doctor to get advice on what to do.
“A press conference has been called today at 2 p.m. for reporters in Humboldt County. The Department of Health and Human Services stated in the email calling the press conference, “[The] Humboldt County Health Officer will announce an order directing people to shelter at their place of residence starting at midnight tonight, Thursday, (maybe Friday) March 20.”
WOW!!! This should prove interesting. Police stopping people in vehicles? All stores closed. What if you are walking or riding your bike? And what if you ARE stopped while outside. Will the police arrest you? Will you be cited? Will you have to pay a fine? We have no documented cases of infected people in our county.
One case documented in a county to the North and several more in three counties to the South. SF has more than twenty.
Oh Whoa is me!! The sky is falling! There are midgets mining underneath my house.
Read a book:
How to Future Proof Humanity……. by Paul Mason
well, its not for you or for me, its for our hospitals and their staff. They cannot be expected to deal with people crying and dieing in the halls. not to mention the incredible danger of infection they will suffer if the numbers of patients explode beyond capacity.
I can’t add a graph to a comment, but I have a graph. h1n1 killed 12,000 people when it blew through the United States just over 10 years ago. This thing could kill millions.
the h1n1 had killed 4 people in the first 16 days after our first death from it. Covid killed over 90 in the first 16 days. We have to protect ourselves, and our first responders.
Trump is not helping. Firing our whole group of professionals put together to deal with this exact thing and then telling everyone it’s a hoax. But, then again what better excuse to cancel and election and have martial law already in effect.
Trump did neither of those things.
Okay I’m wondering where all the homeless are. Not seeing panhandlers or you know certain people around.
Hey, fellow community members, be safe out there. We need you all!
I ran into my first “virus refugee” today. I had to go by the office in Garberville to pick up some files that I needed to work on at home. I then was going home to shelter in place. Well, there was a truck parked by the gate. The people there were unloading their truck and repacking it. They said they had some up from the Bay Area and ran out of road last night. So, they went to our Ray’s Market, but there was a sign saying it was quarantined. So, they slept in our parking lot. Then, they were going to head north from here after using the local laundromat. Can anyone see the problem here? These folks came from the county with the highest infection rate in California and are now going to be passing through one of the counties with a lower infection rate, stopping along the way to use local businesses. THIS IS HOW INFECTION SPREADS! This is why we are supposed to shelter in place and why so many communities are going on lockdown. You cannot outrun a virus. If you are infected, you may not feel sick for two weeks. So, even if you feel fine, if you are coming from an area with a high infection rate to an area of low infection rate, you are a potential carrier of that virus to the new location. Why risk infecting a whole bunch of other people? Just stay home and follow the directions. The idea is to slow or stop the spread of the virus, not to make the situation worse by traveling all over the state! Every business you stop at, every time you get gas, every place you stop for food, you are spreading infection. (If you have it or are not symptomatic.) This is just basic viral epidemiology. We should all be trying to stay at home so that infection rates will remain low. Why get others sick? DO NOT try to outrun the virus. Please stay home and don’t infect others! Listen to what the medical professionals are telling us, please. This is serious stuff! Just pretend that you are infected, or are a carrier, and act accordingly! We will all be safer.
Im sorry but if you did not see this coming you need to pay more attention.
In the last 36 hours Sonoma, Mendo and Lake counties went under this order. Theyre concerned with exposure due to so much travel between our counties and the Bay.
We can treat 25 people in our county. Once we’re overwhelmed our doctors will have to make some horrible choices just like in Italy, theyll have to decide who to treat and who to let die.
In Italy the next step is going to be an age limit at hospitals meaning if you come in sick over a certain age you wont be treated. Look it up. Its basic medical triage, you treat whomever has the best chance of survival.
16 old folks homes in Florida have it now, its just a matter of time here. Specialists say we’re still weeks away from our peak. Our govt is obviously very unprepared for any disaster which has made this entire situation a 1000 times worse so now you have to stay inside or run the risk of killing someone thanks to this administration.
So suck it up, let’s be ooober grateful most of us live somewhere that we can go outside and not see anyone! Mushrooms are popping back up and its a great time to brush off that edible plants book and find out what wild foods grow in your “backyard”.
San Francisco SIP orders:
Here’s a list of what residents can and can’t do under the “shelter in place” order.
Not OK to do:
Dinner parties: You cannot invite friends over to your home to hang out.
Go to a barber, stylist, or nail salon: Haircuts and manicures aren’t considered essential under the order.
Go to a church, synagogue, or mosque: Going to a house of worship can endanger others; instead, the city suggests remote religious services by “emails, video streaming, or teleconference.”
Go on vacation: You are not allowed to leave your home county unless it is for an exempted, “essential” purpose. If you leave for a vacation you will not be allowed to return to your residence for the duration of the order.
Go to the gym: Gyms and health clubs will be closed.
Swimming in a public or communal pool: No indoor sports or team sports are allowed, including swimming in a “communal” pool.
Have my child’s nanny come over: Only if the nanny lives in your home or provides medical care to a child. The only other exception is for parents who must work away from home because they provide an “essential” service.
Go out to eat: Restaurants are allowed to remain open, but only for carry-out and drive-thru; bars and dine-in operations must close.
OK to do:
Take a stroll in the park or a walk my dog: You may “go for walks, go to the park, and engage in other similar activities,” but you must keep a distance of 6 feet from anyone who is not an immediate member of your household.
Go to an ice-cream shop: As long as you’re getting your cone to go (and the ice-cream shop is open), ice cream trips are apparently OK.
Get money out of the bank: This is allowed, but the city advises that you should minimize unnecessary trips.
Swim in the ocean: If you can brave the icy waters and the swift currents of the Pacific, you’re clear to go for an ocean dip. You’re also allowed to swim in your personal pool or hot tub, if you’re lucky enough to have one.
Play basketball by yourself: Shooting hoops solo is OK, but games like Horse, which involve other players, are not OK. Also permitted: hitting a tennis ball against a backboard.
Get food and essential supplies: “Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks, convenience stores, take-out and delivery restaurants” as well as gas stations, banks, laundromats, hardware stores, and plumbers will all remain open.
Receive mail and online deliveries: The post office will be open, while package and food-delivery services to your home can continue to function.
Use ride-hailing or ride-share services, taxis, and public transportation (for essential travel): Travel is allowed only for one of the “essential” purposes mentioned in the order; that means a trip to the grocery store is OK, but not a trip to your friend’s house or favorite park.
What if I don’t comply? “This is a legally enforceable order issued under California law. It is a crime to violate this Order, and you may be punished by a fine or imprisonment for doing so.”
More helpful info you can look up:
The worst-case-scenario numbers, coming from China, and Italy, show a mortality rate lower than this virus’ cousins, MERS, and SARS.
As more numbers come in, as more people are tested, and the numbers of infected people grows dramatically, it would be wise to pay attention to the relative death rate.
If the number of people who are found to be infected grows exponentially, but the number of deaths do not, it shows that we have another seasonal bug going around, no better, and no worse, than the ones we’re already used to.
Please, please, try to keep things in perspective. Sure, people are going to die. There are 7+ billion people in the world. A huge number die every day. Life is not permanent, and to waste time worrying about something which is statistically inconsequential, is to throw away what little time we have been given on this Earth.
Live life. Move on. Be free. Don’t let the media take away your happiness, and your ability to think for yourself.
Been self isolationing for 10 years or better. Be
do as you want just stay the $#$# away from the rest of us please
Your chance of success is better if you do the staying “the $#$# away from the rest of us please.”
And don’t be afraid to kindly talk to others if you see them not following the order. The Peg House staff seemed oblivious, for example. They kinda looked puzzled when I told them all about.
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