Of Cannabis and Covid-19
An article in CannabisNow posted this week, shows the ripples that Covid-19, the Coronavirus that has currently sent the Dow Jones tumbling into the deep end of the pool, is having on the cannabis industry.
According to the author, Bill Weinberg, as the disease and efforts to contain the disease cause slowdowns in a number of industries, supply chains across the globe are being affected. For instance, Weinberg says, “Almost all the world’s vaping hardware is produced in southern China’s factory zones. That includes the cartridges that hold the cannabis extract or other vaping products, the batteries that heat them, and the actual vaporizers.”
China also has been a leader in producing everything from packaging for cannabis products and for equipment for testing labs to ballasts for grow lights so this could affect the industry across the board.
Of course, companies in the United States might be able to step in or up production and make those items here but that will likely take time and the costs are sure to be higher.
According to an article today in Marijuana Business Daily, “While many companies haven’t yet felt the effects – and some might not at all, depending on their type of business and where they operate – the interconnectedness of the supply chain has [Nic Easley, CEO of Denver-based 3C Consulting] convinced that, eventually, nearly everyone in the industry will be affected in some way, all the way to cultivators and retailers.”
Easley told Marijuana Business Daily that the effects were already being felt. “He noted that several of his clients already are in dire straits because their companies rely on Chinese-made goods that used to sell for 13 cents a unit but are now up to as much as 80 cents a unit,” the article stated.
And finally, of course, if consumers’ incomes are affected by a slowdown in the economy caused by fears over Covid-19, then they will have less extra cash to spend on cannabis.
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This is my real concern for this pandemic. .. minus the cannabis part. The collapse of the “just-in-time” global supply chain will have a domino effect that will be felt for months even if the virus is stopped today. Stock up on critical items because you may not be able to get them shortly.
And how can we as a society move away from this “just-in-time” global supply chain?
I feel tariffs on China are important but not at all in the way they have been used. The tariffs should be orientated (no pun intended) to make goods produces in nations with poor labor and environmental laws cost the same as a domestically produced items. Sort of like the reverse of farm subsidies.
But our entire economy is based on profits being reported every quarter, and any significantly positive change will have a significantly negative impact on economics.
At this point we are bound into that system, but we vote for it with every dollar we spend. Buy local first and foremost.
I don’t think it would have a negative impact on the economy as a whole. It would just take a chunk out of the corporate, globalist monopolies. The middle class in the USA is the economic powerhouse; the corporate behemoths have managed to funnel that resource to the top.
(PS it is no longer acceptable to refer to Asians of any descent as “oriental”. Even though the orgins, like many aspersions, are benign: Latin orient- ‘rising or east’, from oriri ‘to rise’.)
Uh i was born in the 70’s and was raised with the teaching that the term oriental refers to rugs not people. Not a new thing at all.
It’s a much older reference than that.
The term “oriental” refers to everything from Hungary to Japan. It’s not only offensive, it’s also completely useless as an adjective.
I like oriental flavored ramen
The terms oriental and occidental came from the political divsion of territory in the accident Roman empire into eastern and western areas. It originally was no more “racial” than the East Coast versus West Coast of the US.
If that makes our culture “racist” then brace yourself because the concept of Asian versus European versus everyone else was strong in China (and Japan and Southeast Asia and everywhere) before the Europeans made themselves much noticed. It was not a concept flattering to westerners. So do not be so delusional as to believe your concept of “racism” isn’t universal among all people. We spoke of Oriental versus Occidental simply because so much of the English language has its roots in Latin. If we were Chinese, we would use the exact same concepts only with different sounding words.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-challenge-to-u-s-power-chinese-exceptionalism-1500993643
But surely you aren’t saying that we are bound to the system, permanently. I agree that we must vote with our dollars, and I am fortunate to be able to do that, but one aspect of the system is that most cant afford to do so, at least not to a significant extent.
People would have to live near where they work, and eat food grown near where they live (predominantly). I cant see how that would be anything but completely disruptive to the current system.
Reversing the trend of wealth concentration is a clear goal, but how we should go about that is a topic of heated debate.
(I am well aware that it is not pc, in the USA, to refer to Asians as oriental. I could not care less, if the intent is humor rather than to disparage.)
The Orient is a historical term for the East, traditionally comprising anything that belongs to the Eastern world, in relation to Europe, the Occident. In English, it is largely a metonym for, and coterminous with, the continent of Asia, loosely classified into the Near East, Middle East and Far East: the geographical and ethno-cultural regions now known as West Asia, South Asia, East Asia, and Southeast Asia. Originally, the term Orient was used to designate the Near East, and later its meaning evolved and expanded, designating also the Middle East or the Far East.
From wiki,
The term oriental is often used to describe objects from the Orient. However, given its Eurocentric connotations and shifting, inaccurate definition through the ages, in North American English, it is generally considered offensive as a label for people from East Asia. In British English, however, the term is still extensively used, and holds little racist connotations in common parlance or usage.
Of we course we aren’t permanently bound to this system. As I said we vote for this type of global economic system because we keep buying into it. Changing it will take time and an understanding from the general populace on how their dollars work. Buying local doesn’t need to mean next door, or in your township or county. Buying made in the USA is a start.
My comment on your pun was entirely tongue-in-cheek.
Does any good ever come from being greedy?
I don’t understand your question. What is your measure of “greed” and your measure of “good”?
Wow, sound the alarms, a bad flu has hit, big pharms dream come true mass hysteria! They’ll take whatever we tell them too… $$$$ in their eyes…95% wouldn’t even be affected more than a cold…..
Yeh well, whats 2% mortality rate of 320 million? Do the math!
6.4 million in the US. 156,000,000 world wide.
But since our species refuses to control population, or life style, this isn’t entirely a bad thing. In fact if it was restricted to areas of the globe with rising populations, this could be a good thing. While of course being tragic.
The reported deaths are accurate, but the diagnosed cases likely are not.
Large groups of peoples symptoms are so minor, if not non-existent, that the mortality percentage rate of 2% is likely at least slightly if not majorly over the reality.
More people die of the flu than that a year in the United States alone. Fear. Fear. Fear,it equals control. Control equals well behaved defenseless citizens. Turn in your cash. Turn in your weapons. Curfew is a dark. Anyone out after dark will be shot.
Nope. According to the CDC, the flu kills 3,300 to 49,000 people every year in the US. But hey you were only of by 6,351,000 deaths.
You are correct that fear is not helpful. But we should not hide facts in order to quell fear.
How many people have died from the Coronavirus so far hmmmm? Let me help you, a little over 3,000. With your own words, I’m pretty much on target with a 3,000 to 50,000 spread of flu deaths in the United States a year
Actually I thought he was trying to quell some fears while extremely over-stoking others. Infowars style.
L-A-M-E.
Your claim has been refuted by health officials. The 2% figure takes into account those with minor symptoms and those who may be asymptomatic.
As far as I understand China has been less than forthcoming with good data. The death rate in the Wuhan Provence is over 2% while the rest of China is under 1%, but the data is not clear at the moment. And the number of people who are asymptomatic is an unknown quantity. The mortality rate may be significantly less… and, of course, China may be hiding fatalities pushing the mortality rate up.
Right now the mortality rate in the USA is 0%.
First US death in Seattle. Not confirmed as corona virus but likely.
1.4%, most likely less.
Furthermore, the 1.4% figure cited in the new Chinese report, published Feb. 28 in the New England Journal of Medicine, is probably higher than the “real” death rate, Fauci added.
That’s because many coronavirus cases are so mild they’re not even being reported, Fauci explained in an editorial he co-wrote in the same issue of the NEJM. Co-authors include Dr. Robert Redfield, who directs the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and Dr. Clifford Lane, deputy director of the NIAID.
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-02-28/china-study-puts-coronavirus-death-rate-at-14-37-real-number-may-be-lower
Your source?
If there’s one thing we can be sure of it’s that no lie has ever come out of China.
“New England Journal of Medicine”
I could pin more bullshit from your comments than China, in general.
NEJM is basing their study on the information China has released. The veracity of that information is still in question.
Co-authors include Dr. Robert Redfield, who directs the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and Dr. Clifford Lane, deputy director of the NIAID.
I don’t know about that.
Exactly right Ullr Rover. Any information that comes through the filter of the authoritarian Chinese government must be viewed with skepticism.
I guess your also ignoring the American author’s names too.
How’s that going?
Tell me, why is Pence being put in charge of a “Democratic hoax”, [edit]
All the data from China is filtered through the Chinese authorities. This is a study on those numbers. The Chinese government may be giving as accurate numbers as possible, but you have to take that on faith.
I don’t use faith.
I use information.
The logic of not knowing how many people are actually infected is basic and simple.
It’s proven already here that many are infected and don’t know it; untraced community transmission has already begun!
Magnify that by 3 months in China. How many are infected and don’t know because of mild or nonexistent symptoms?
It brings any reported death rate down.
If you want to work with belief or faith, you can believe a grand conspiracy by Chinese officials to drop the death rate by .6%.
Logic based on bad or incomplete data probably will not lead to accurate conclusions. Unfortunately, the infections from the virus will need to compound before good data becomes available. Time will tell.
It’s been 3 months, there is plenty of data available.
You are providing nothing to show why this report, with American co-authors, should not be used as information.
I guess you think we know everyone who is infected, because your doubting my logic about that.
..weird.
Because now we have 3 US cases of community based untracked infections.
(Must I state the obvious again and again?)
I’m not refuting your conclusion. I never said anything to that effect. I’m refuting the veracity of the data.
Again, the bulk of the data is from China and all that data is filtered through an authoritarian regime that has always put optics ahead of facts. So, at this point, all the information should be taken with a grain of salt. But feel free on insisting that you “know” what is true.
Will do.
Keep your faith alive I guess.
Here’s my guess on what we will see soon, based on my logic. So we can laugh at me together, or otherwise.
In the next 2 weeks our known cases will likely surge to over 500 in California alone.
Not only will testing increase, but the awareness that it’s already widespread will be apparent.
Financially:
The DOW will fall below the 2016 support level of 22,000.
Any stock gains after 2016 will be gone. The next support level is 17,000 or so, if it breaks below that….yikes.
Chinas been on lockdown for 3 months.
We have just entered this mess.
Schools are open and no one is locked down, yet.
And the market has already tanked, mostly based on the reality that the Chinese haven’t produced anything for months.
That’s because our world and markets are built on extreme overproduction and Auto factory conditions of mass overconsumption and often pointless slavery. Instead of a Humanist perspective.. we are ruled by our massive appetite for over consumption of useless cheap plastic goods that often end up in the ocean and haunting us thru our ecosystems. And no, I don’t trust China, the Empire of false information and mass propaganda to be forthright with their information. Nor do I trust the current admin. But.. out of the two, Pence, and tRump, .. I think Pence is actually the better bet to handle this more appropriately.. even though I don’t like him.. just sayin…
Yo TRB if you are so into using logic, it seems logical that you wouldn’t take any information from China without a serious grain of salt. Any data built on skewed numbers from a skewed source is bound to be skewed. The more I read your comments, I realize you aren’t logical, just stubborn with a pathological need to be right. All. The. Time.
For the 4th time:
Co-authors include Dr. Robert Redfield, who directs the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and Dr. Clifford Lane, deputy director of the NIAID.
American co-authors!
Furthermore you may feel fine not trusting something simply because it comes from foreigners, not me.
There is no evidence the Chinese are hiding anything vital.
There is plenty evidence that many cases are not being diagnosed.
Pretty simple.
TRB, what does it matter who the co-authors are if the data they’re getting is incomplete? They certainly aren’t going door-to-door in China collecting the data. The Chinese government has been running optics control since the beginning.
FT.com
Coronavirus: the cost of China’s public health cover-up:
https://www.ft.com/content/fa83463a-4737-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441
Ullr,
I hit a paywall, can you read the article?
‐—-Got it.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/coronavirus-the-cost-of-chinas-public-health-cover-up/ar-BBZKQQq
This article is discussing the early attempts of Wuhan officials, mostly, in the very early stage of the outbreak.
They obviously failed to acknowledge the risk and didn’t take the evidence too seriously at that point.
But, in the article, and to support the contradictions of facts between scientists and chinese officials the FI article says this:
Scientists in the New England Journal of Medicine said there was transmission between humans in close contact from the middle of December.
Most likely the same group of scientists publishing that 1.4% or less mortality rate in the same exact journal.
There is no evidence that Chinese officials are suppressing numbers for inaccurate science.
Try this:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/coronavirus-the-cost-of-chinas-public-health-cover-up/ar-BBZKQQq
Wow…this is what happens when schools stop teaching critical thinking, and start pushing the narrative.
This on buys it. Sad.
I totally agree!
3m has tripled the pricing on N95 respirator masks since the outbreak. Great folks there.
3m is a manufacturer, not a retailer. Such is the nature of supply and demand…life ain’t fair…act accordingly…but whining is useless.
Supply low –> demand high –> production costs up –> price up
Supply high –> demand low –> production costs down –> price low
It’s not hard, folks. But then again 1/4 of americans are [edit], have no care or clue where or how things are made, and think socialism is cool.
Buy bullets. Not n95 masks.
Who are you planning on murdering? Sick people?
Um zombies! Daaaa!
Maybe people could go back to old fashioned joints? I mean, if you really need to medicate, and vaping isn’t possible, you could just get some bud, grind it up, roll it and smoke it.
Edibles for the win! Who wants to inhale smoke or potentially harmful vapor into the lungs anyway when a potentially fatal respiratory disease is rampaging through the population?
The Corona virus has NOT caused the stock market to tumble. George (the collaborator) Soros, and the short sellers have sent the markets tumbling. How many in the US have died from this virus? Zero, zip, nada. How many died from the flu in the 17-18 season? Sixty one thousand (61,000). Get a grip.
https://cnsnews.com/article/international/michael-w-chapman/us-flu-season-2017-18-45-million-flu-cases-61000-deaths.
Fake news
An online news service run by Bob Dole and Pat Buchanan’s former campaign supervisior, trying to pretend that George Soros is running the CDC and not Trump?
You don’t say!!
Corona is the straw. The straw that broke an already overextended, indebted, and long time coming market. Globalism has made us weak, all it took is a straw.
You mean more debt isn’t the answer to too much debt? Who knew!
Watch those trillions pile on that national debt now. BTW…we the people are responsible for that debt…hope it was worth it.
In 2018 the Trump administration fired the governments entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management structure.
That’s why Trump and his goons were caught with their pants down and looked like total imbeciles at that presser.
Trumps 2021 budget slashes funding to both the CDC and the WHO.
Tax breaks for the Rich, Corporate Socialist Welfare and billion dollar socialist payouts to farmers that got fucked by Trumps genius tariff wars , none of that was slashed.
George Soros? You bots are stuck in 2015.
Yeah, because Obama in his almighty power handled the Ebola outbreak so well…. trump bad, Obama good.
But but but Oooohbaaaaammmmmaaaa…..
Wadabout wadabout wadabout
Derp Obama bad, Irange man good, even with his pants down.
Hilllllaaaarrrryyyyy, Soros, Soros, Soros
Wadabout ……..
Umm yeah Obama handled Ebola well. How many cases were in America? Haven’t asked Google, but, I know people are not dying of Ebola in America. And they would have had Health insurance to cover it to boot. Where’s tRumps insurance? Oh, like exactly non existent. tRump slashes funding and resources to the CDC and WHO during an epidemic, and people cheer? If only there was a cure for the tRump epidemic across the nation right now.. Ohh wait there is…Bernie 2020!
Obama allowed people with Ebola to be brought to the United States and treated here. The fact that one of the most deadly and virulent viruses to ever exist on the face of this planet was voluntarily brought over to our country’s soil was a huge bungle in leadership. That is something everyone should agree on, regardless of who was in charge at that point in time. And yes, people did die from Ebola in the US. One of the 4 infected nurses died on our soil. Can’t believe that mistake is even being brought up.
Nobody who contracted Ebola in the US died from it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_cases_in_the_United_States
You are correct, however you misread what I stated. I said 1 person died IN the US. Now I rechecked my facts and my original statement still stands. There were 11 cases of Ebola in the US. Of those 11 cases, 4 were contracted IN the US. None of those 4 died, however, 2 of the 9 medical evacuees did DIE ON US SOIL. So my original statement stands. The amount of cases was double, the transmission rate double, and the death rate double my original statement. And that info is in the source you provided, so thanks for providing my source. My 3 questions to you, what point were you trying to make? Why are you trying to formulate an argument on the technicality of one word? And are you being purposefully dense?
So to spite the fact that nobody died and the disease was completely contained, that was WORSE than Trump’s virtual dismantling of the CDC? This is the dumbest whataboutism since mustardgate.
Can’t argue with someone who blatantly disregards facts. READ THE DAMN SOURCE YOU PROVIDED! It states 2 people, that’s the number 2 T-W-O. Two people died IN THE UNITED STATES FROM EBOLA. There were 4 cases of TRANSMISSION IN THE US. This information is from your own source. It was not completely contained and people did die here. So I ask you, once again, are you being purposefully dense? Or do you have reading comprehension issues? Also, not a whataboutism, its a direct reply to SmallFry’s statement.
Right. Except Obama presided over the biggest corporate handouts in history.
Ummm, can you talk about Trump without mentioning Obama or Hillary whdaboutism.
Can you? Just once?
Short selling is part of the system. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. Or just accept it as part of the whole animal world of capitalism and don’t cry. Nice try to make it political though. A swing.. and a miss
Yeah sure , liberals say humans are to blame for climate change and many other problems but than want to save as many people as possible!? People=Shit. Let the weak n dumb die off. It’s only natural.
You first…
I’m trying…..
At this stage in our world’s development, its impossible to be a humanitarian and an environmentalist at the same time. If you are, you are most likely just a hypocrite.
Way better to just be a niahlistic misanthrope with a gun fetish. That’s how rational people respond to difficult problems.
Yeah you want to hear my wild idea of population control? Its really totalitarian. I suggest leaving help from social programs to people with only real mental and physical disabilities. Such as down syndrome or an amputee. Perfectly healthy people who can’t figure out how to feed themselves, sorry. Also change the law from people having the right of way when crossing the street to cars having the right of way. That will eliminate everyone who has no sense of self preservation. A real nihilistic misanthrope huh? Describing yourself once again bud? At least I offer real world solutions to problems that could be very easily implemented instead of bashing people’s character on false pretenses and providing terrible sources that actually prove the person I’m debating with’s point instead of my own.
“54321-0 no virus ,it will be a miracle“ Donald trump.
The reality is quite different. if you want to know about SARS-cov-2 spread, keep an eye on BNO.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk
Covid 19 is making the stock market fall.
And there will be real solid opportunities to invest in some stocks because of it.
I’ve learned to enjoy the silly made-up panics that I’ve witnessed the past 50 years.
Of course China products are going to be singled out. Vapes, containers, gloves, masks, everything man-made will be impacted. As it should be. That’s all stuff brought to us by $64. Get rich on China goods while you can.
The Original Market will save us. It always has. The goodness of cannabis flower is immune to Corona 19. A pack of zig-zags might just be a life saving lifestyle choice. I’m sure we can still roll-your-own or pack the old pipe.
The California “Legal” Cannabis Industry can go belly-up because of the flu, who cares? They’ve been a solid nuisance for 2 years. “Legal” growers can and will feel the pressure, they hitched onto the problematic side of the compassionate use of cannabis.
The California Bureau of Cannabis Control can hang it’s head in shame while the flu kills their tax plans for the future.
It’s good to notice that the basis for production of craft cannabis is much less dependent on factors upset by pandemics etc.
Corporations like oil and vapes for various reasons, including Shiny Object Factor, high margins, & the possibility of remediating low-quality flower into commodity oil.
Yeah, no question that the OG won’t be affected to the degree that “legal” could be.
I’ve also noted that the small-scale production is Earthy. Of the Earth should mean wholesome desirable medication when so much of our society is losing self control. The approaching panic could be tempered a great deal by people trusting the old and trashing the new.
I don’t care about the weed industry, but that photoshop job is great.
She kinda looks like she’s flipping the bird ..!..
This virus is being released by the Deepstate to create panic and sow chaos.
There hope is that it will tank the economy and they can use that to help push trump out of power.
Trump is already countering this move by using his weather weapon machines “HARRP” to create a warm spring. The lack of rain is on purpous! Trump is creating the right weather conditions so that when it lands here it will already be on its way out due to warmer weather!
As for the supply chains shutting down in China, This is helping trump to force american buisnesses to relocate there supply chains!
Trust the plan, everything is going as planned.
The mass arrests of the deepstate are about to take place, disneys CEO just stepped down because he is in Jeffery Epsteins black book! Expect more top level resignations before the mass arrests start!
Oh, I thought it was an alien panspermia virus contained in Chen trails that the reptilian blood drinking monarchy elitists made out of sacrificed babies in the back room of a pizza parlor.
That’s just what “””((they***))””” want you to think…
Yeah, sure:
I’m sorry, but you know too much.
I know, the Men in Black paid me a visit because of that comment. They threatened an extended visit and subsequent mind block at their underground facility at Datil, New Mexico.
Actually the scariest part is the ability to quarantine/martial law areas based on the govt decisions. So easily we could all be quarantined abd have no election in our country. Thats why trump admin is letting it spread and putting someone in charge who doesn’t even believe in science. Once it spreads its so easyto invoke fear and for a pres who sayshe wont leave the white house even if he loses, well this virus is a dream come true.
Watch footage online from folks in quarantined cities in Italy.
Dude I saw this totally scary quarantine footage from Italy. Is this real?
https://youtu.be/P-7TGq3INos
All the pharma meds and precursors are made or manufactured in china. The US doesn’t make any medicine or even asprine since china joined the WTO back in 01. Food for thought.
Vaping hardware, grow lights, batteries, packaging, etc. – WTF?
What ever happened to that big grow-light in the sky, and the old do-it-yourself delivery systems?
What we’ve been witnessing over the last years with so-called legalization is the ground-up construction of another institutionalized racket, borrowing from the Big Tobacco – Big Pharma model.
Capitalism unchained.
The bug is another matter. Time will tell just how serious it gets.
What happened? Uncle Sam wanted IN. That’s what happened.
Marijuana. An essential element of a healthy diet.
I hope that very soon someone will think of something actually important to report upon.
You do realize it is a huge part of our economy? Whether you think so, or not, it is important news.
The weed industry can cut into oil, paper, clothing and pharmaceutical profits we are important Billy.
Not to mention timber, tobacco, alcohol and all non-cannabis sectors of the illicit drug trade. And, legal restrictions aside, it can be grown by almost anyone, almost anywhere.
During an epidemic, possibly a national tragedy, definitely a natural disaster, you are worried about vaping supplies?
Excuse me, I forgot how important mind altering substances are for Humboldt County…
Maybe if you based your economy on necessary goods and services, education, healthcare etc, you would be in better shape, here in 2020…
Focus on a future, based in something that won’t go away! You can all roll a joint, can’t you? Got matches? Good…
Millions and millions of people live their whole life, and never smoke dope. Totally possible. Try it, you might feel better.
The economy will not die, the short sellers are enjoying the crash they caused, the temporary delays in the delivery of critically needed necessary vaping supplies, these will abate in good time.
How can somebody try never smoking dope their entire life, once?
Some people never lose their virginity. You should try dying a virgin sometime, you might like it.
I don’t know, lack of interest, no opportunity… Not everyone is from California either… California: The stoned wine-sipper state!
Interesting progression. I, personally, have smoked dope, AND, am somewhat less than virginal… Thanks for your concern!
Made in China, sucks, maybe it’s time to revisit….
MADE IN THE USA
It costs too much and lasts too long, and might revive an uppity blue collar middle class, these things are problematic to the investment class.
The answer is:
Stop trading with countries that treat their people like slaves, and their environment (ours too) like a dump.
The only way minimum wages, workers rights, and environmental protection means anything is if we restrict our trading to countries that uphold similar standard.
What good was passing these laws if we simply let manufacturers exploit other populations.
Globalism was a mistake.
Bring the jobs home. Make America great….and help save the planet…everybody wins. Something the left and right SHOULD agree on
Spot on. If nothing else, this pandemic (and yes, professionals are starting to call it that) will expose the fragility of a system based on externalizing all possable biological costs (labor/ environment) and funneling profit upward. It’s not a free market when the actual customer that matters is the investor/ bank. Essentially, globalized banking cartels have sized both the means of production and our democratic processes on a grand scale. I’m sure our “order out of chaos” leaders will attempt to exploit this situation to expand their control through the usual problem/reaction/solution paradigm but there are actual limits to this, and people are starting to see through the narrative control. Patience, paying attention and caring for one another on a local scale are our best defense.
It’s so simple. It would be a winning platform for sure. Left and right, all of America wins.
But we will never see a candidate run on such a notion. The Globalist run the show now. We lose.
Problem is that many people disagree on what a great America looks like. Great for whom? I personally would like to see it run more like civilized countries in Europe, plus or minus a few things. But most trump folks want to see a country run like the state of Texas… everyone armed to the teeth and no regulation and oversized trucks everywhere. So there’s the problem.
Flew right over your head…
Who’s a Trump Folks…not me
Is it ok if those oversized trucks bring in wheat from Montana?
Can we send them back produce from California?
Kym- my posts are disappearing and not coming back. A problem or a statement?
There are a number of your posts in the trash. I did not put them there. I hesitate to pull them out because I don’t know if you choose to delete some or not.
Since almost all are not deleted by me intentionally , I think there’s a problem. But where I don’t know.
There were three. One was a repeat. I restored the other two. There doesn’t seem to be a problem with anyone else.
Guest,
Do you use a satellite connection for internet?
To Brian,
I use a satellite connection for internet. I’ve lost a few posts to trash. What are we missing?
Thanks.
Liberals love globalism!!! Open the gates! Let’s take care of the world at the cost of working class white people . (New slaves)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization
So, you want Trump to register as a socialist liberal or you want him to close his international globalist hotels, golf courses, etc (accounting for 1/3 his income)?
Do you hate capitalism?
Or are you wrong?
Capitalizing off of globalization or have globalization suck you dry? Two different agendas. Taking care of millions who can’t take care of themselves is a losing proposition. Always. Capitalizing and profiting off of others needs is called business. Is Trump an ideal world leader or is he a crass, shrewd businessman?
What do you even think “globalism” is, if not global capitalism? LIBERALISM IS LITTERALLY DEFINED AS FREE-MARKET CAPITALISM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
I mean I agree to an extent.. but, putting the Genie back in the bottle may be next to impossible now. Globalism is well established in America. And let’s face it.. it’s all very complicated. IDK. America can’t just put its head in the sand and pretend like the rest of the world doesn’t exist. Don’t forget that other countries also buy products from us. Many industries are also dependent on global trade, as in exports.. I see truth in what your saying.. but I also think the issue is more complicated today than one might imagine…
That’s the problem right there. “What about the other countries?” America has been around little over 200 years. Other countries will figure it out. We have our own problems, and trying to help or integrate with other countries will only make it worse. The global economy must collapse, for there is no true “global economy” without all the individual economies it is comprised of. We are not all friends, we do not all get along, lets stop pretending like we do.
America should lead by example.
We should only trade with countries that respect and protect their workers and environment.
We could trade with lots of countries like EU, UK, canada and many others.
The countries that do not respect their people would have to change if they wanted to trade with us. Maybe we could help them change.
Workers rights, and environmenal protections are very important, and will never be effective if our economic base is exported to nation’s that have no such respect. They will have to decide whether to follow our example, or compete against the western world, without the west as a market.
I agree with Who Cares as well, but…. China owns the majority of US debt. Unfortunately we have a mutually assured destruction agreement with China too, its just not talked about as much as our agreement with Russia over the nukes. Basically if we dump China economically in any sort of way, they would sell our debt and tank our dollar. We would do the same to them and both economies of our countries would collapse, which in turn, usually leads to the collapse of the country itself.
I agree 💯 with that right there Who Cares.. With that said.. you don’t have to be “friends” to do buisness. It’s definitely a big complex mess currently. Like much of the farming industries. Government provided assistance to farmers of commodities like dairy and soy, to encourage them to go big. Bigger than a family farm could handle, and bigger than could be done without massive amounts of chemical fertilizers and pesticides. Exploding the Chemical giants industries. They did this in part to make enough products, not only for the US, but’s also to infiltrate the world markets on these products..
Which in turn.. lowered the price of milk and certain bulk commodities soo low, that often small independent dairy and family farms couldn’t compete, and often forced to sell to bigger corporations. This amplifying large corporate food production, and killed may family farms… It’s just that now.. many of the farmers who received these subsidies were reliant on exports to China for a large part of their buisness. Because they have been economically encouraged to go soo big, when tRump pulled the rug from underneath them, it wasn’t a cool move.. And sent many farms plummeting.. That’s what I mean by it’s complex. Quick hasty actions can cause a domino effect of distraction down the line.
I mean in the long term, it could be good, maybe the US should return to producing enough milk, and other commodities like soy for its US market. Smaller scale family farms actually mean less reliance on Chemical Giants, and things like growth hormones and disgusting things in the milk and such. But.. I guess that’s not what is happening. Walmart milk YUCK.. is taking over EVERYTHING. With people having lower wages and more dept, less likely to by organic and small dairy milk. Besides people are drinking less milk anyways.. Almonds, a water thirsty crops.. are exploding.
And farming isn’t the only industry that now has all this hyper complexity to its trade markets. Many flower farms were put out of buisness because the us wanted to encourage other South American farmers to grow less Coca.. and more flowers. That’s a large reason why all the Flower houses are empty now, and taking over the canno trade..
But, IDK. I better stop writing now before somebody’s brain explodes, because it’s to complex for some to grasp..
Good observations. Complex human systems based on greed (for good or ill) are inherently fragile when exposed to any manor of disruption or perturbation. What are the limits to it’s elasticity? What happens when it no longer serves it’s purpose, either because of hard limits, or our perceptual reactions? Why are natural systems, which are infinitely more complex, vastly more resilient, and infact thrive on disruption?
My light and soil is free. My amendments are all local to Humboldt. Gain in sales with people skimping might give outdoor another boost. Not having to pay those high DEP and indoor prices for a better product and better effect. One would think this is a good marketing campaign for full sun products but alas I live around corporate backed politicians so I gotta do my own marketing.
LL for president! He is the only one with the sense (and the Sinsemilla) to save us!
Hey folks look back to the big globalization protests like Seattle 1999. Most of the workshops about then potential detrimental outcomes globally have mostly come true.
In our ferver for ‘low prices’ we’ve allowed our economy to become dependent on one country. China. This is like having one corporation own every bank or every business etc, if it goes down the goods disappear. Bad plan on any level.
Time to invest locally, lets look at what our community gets from china that we could produce here with incentives to companies. And lets stop selling all our timber to them only to have to buy it back later! !!
It’s not just a frenzy for low cost goods but a deliberate way to increase profits that is tolerated by government. I think while worse in the US, it’s a global phenomenon as I have tried to replace a few items that used to be made in Germany, France or the UK but found that they were now all made in China too.
One thing that is going on is that environmental regulations have encouraged expensive rules in some countries but, instead of fixing the problems, the pollution was moved to China or other places. It’s not that environmental regulations are all bad but, unless they are accompanied by rules making imported goods just as expensive, it leads to the ending of local industry. Besides damaging people’s livelihoods, it actually increases environmental damage because foreign goods won’t be regulated at all in the places companies choose deliberately to move their manufacturing for that reason.
Local products cannot compete against slave wages. Must stop trading with slave driver countries for it too work.
All this points out how our fine health care system is broken beyond words.
Take time off from your gig economy job? Need to meet your 5,000$ deductable before seeking help? How much is that vaccine that Trump is so sure is just around the corner? Can you afford it? Pay up or go die, peons.
Bernie 2020. Medicare for all now.
China has socialized health care. Would you rather be in China or the USA right now?
Canada. But warmer.
Iceland, maybe?
Every single 1st world nation except for the US.
If it’s so great why are Canadians coming to the US for treatments?
“The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.
“In citing those numbers in its 2015 report, “Leaving Canada for Medical Care,” the organization said difficulties in obtaining timely medical care at home is, increasingly, leading Canadians to seek it abroad. “It is possible [they] may have left the country to avoid some of the adverse medical consequences of waiting for care, such as worsening of their condition, poorer outcomes following treatment, disability, or death,” the report says. “Some may leave simply to avoid delay and to make a quicker return to normal life.”
“Canadians could expect to wait 9.8 weeks for medically necessary treatment after seeing a specialist in 2014, the researchers found, three weeks more than the time physicians considered to be clinically “reasonable.””
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care
And yes, I know, a lot of US people go abroad for cheaper medical care.
If people look at nationalized health care, they there are problems with every choice made to limit the cost to the government for health care. As an example, Japan limits charges doctors and hospitals charge so they make choices not to treat expensive conditions especially for older people and infants. In South Korea, some doctor specialities are regulated while others are not which leads to a shortage of general surgeons for example but an abundance of plastic surgeons who can charge a lot more for their services. Most nationalized health plans don’t inform patients that are too costly that there are other options if they have decided to limit things they decide are too expensive. Canada and the UK both have long wait times for what Americans would not consider something to be delayed.
Every system limits care, either by regulation, access or by cost, and if a person are misfortunate enough to need expensive care, it is better to be able to choose for yourself than to be deliberately left without a choice because the government has already decided for you.
You’d rather let an opaque series of for-profit death panels choose for you?
Canadians have A CHOICE between private and public health insurance. We do not.
I don’t think government”death panels” are better. Worse in fact as there are no other choices as is possible with commercial payers who live by convincing their policy holders that they offer more than their competitors.
Canadians do not have a choice about paying the taxes even if they choose private health plans. Nor will they have a choice about institutional care unless they are very, very, very wealth. While they might find a private doctor or a small clinic, they still face the government telling them what care is available in hospitals. Many who pay large tax bills will not have the additional funds to do a work around with private pay anyway and are just as stuck as those with no money.
The important thing is to maintain the right of the individual to choose for themselves much as possible. In times times of government political or financial stress they cut benefits or “reorganize” or make a new agency or new rules. The government already does this for most things- it’s politics. You already resent the government for not subsidizing whatever social issue you think need to be paid for. Just wait until you are sick and trying to get the government to cover treatment you think can save your life but they decide is not available.
Canada has better health outcomes than the US. Practically EVERY 1st-world country has better medical outcomes than the US, and NO MEDICAL DEBT. You’re voting against your own interests, in opposition to reality.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/quality-u-s-healthcare-system-compare-countries/
How can I possibly put it so you’ll even understand what is being said? First there is no- as in nada, zilch, zero- common standards for taking and reporting data between countries. For example, if a political decision is made not to have routine screening for a particular cancer because it is costly , then the cancer is not found until a later stage where it is no longer counted in the stats as being a death for avoidable reasons. While in the country that has such screening available, more cancers will be found at a point where they stand a better chance of being cured but certainly some that aren’t cured fall onto being counted as avoidable. So the country that screen more and cures more might actually look worse on stats than the country that doesn’t catch cancers until they are bad enough not to fall into the category of unavoidable.
The same might be true for delayed medical procedures. A person who needs a joint replacement for example but does not get it because it is not a government priority might die of a blood clot created when their instability causes them to fall and break a hip. Their death falls into the unavoidable category and doesn’t count when it truly was avoidable. There are issues with all such stats- they tend to be defined by people who think in terms of making themselves (ie medical professionals) not be responsible for government’s choices. So the more controlling the government, the less likely system will even collect data not in the governments favor. You just shouldn’t believe everything without looking just because it seems to favor what you already believe.
Then there are the facts that different places have different populations. The US is more drug addicted, more diverse, fatter and more violent than many other places. While nothing to brag about, it does mean that its population is sicker and less likely to be interested in their health in the first place. Bad for stats. And likely to be still bad if taxes pay for universal health care.
Frankly it comes down to a difference of who controls a limited resource. I believe that each individual is more likely a better judge of their needs than government no matter what the government choses to say about it.
Canadians have A CHOICE between private and public health insurance. We do not.
If they have enough after tax money to pay for it. Someone always has to pay for it. And the person paying for the piper calls the tune. I’d rather put my money where I want it rather than have the government decide both how much I pay and then decide where they want it to go. Somehow the government and I rarely agree as to what’s best for me.
Under the current system, you DON’T HAVE A CHOICE. Private insurance or die. Canadians have an option, you don’t. They also pay lesson NHS taxes than Americans pay for healthcare, have better outcomes and DON’T GO BROKE OCER MEDICAL DEBT.
That’s not true. MediCal is a state funded insurance program that offers better benefits than most private insurance. However, as someone stated above, it is a budget item, so its not unlimited. Even if we had a perfect public healthcare system, it would only work as long as something catastrophic didn’t happen, like a super pandemic. The perfect public system can still be overrun and if there are no public funds, there is no public healthcare.
How is that different from private insurence? Do you really think PRIVATE institutions are equiped to deal with Corona? They don’t even want to give employees paid time off!
Furies, because saving more humans is the answer! Lmao. Hey! Humans are ruining the planet! Hey! Let’s all chip in and save more humans! Ok! Sounds like a great idea! Free medical for all! ( liberalism is a sickness) Rover?They want the US to be like China.
The dirty secret about the healthcare industry is the same as our college system. In the 60s and 70s college was much much cheaper. Some people were not able to afford college. Grants and scholarships started being issued for those less fortunate. Colleges raised tuition prices in response to the “free” money being given out by the gov’t. More scholarships, financial aide, and grants were given out in response to rising college tuition. Colleges raise tuitions once again to use up that ever increasing pool of “free” money. Same thing has happened with the healthcare industry. Sometimes the solution isn’t to continue to throw money at a problem or make things “free”. At times the best solution is the hardest, which is to gut the system completely and start over. No more “free” money!
The top tax bracket from the 50’s-70’s was at or near 90%. Then Reagan came to power, with the rest of the neolibs and suddenly wHeRe dId aLl tHe mOneY gO?
Why is it so emotionally difficult for you bootlickers to just TAX THE ULTRA-RICH? Jeff Bezos doesn’t want to be your friend.
What the hell does that have to do with the government offering “free” money to private institutions and private institutions raising their costs of service to take advantage of the “free” money? Reading comprehension Jaek, reading comprehension.
Things were cheaper back then, and institutions were better maintained, because the government did a better job extracting wealth from the ultra-wealthy. Before FDR, college was for the rich only and the wealth gap was as bad as it is today.
No, back then people worked. Now most people sit around and think of ways to vote themselves working people’s money.
Bullshit. You couldn’t be more wrong.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/productivity
Click “max” on the graph.
Labor productivity has been steadily rising since the 40’s. Turns out people work harder and more fruitfully when they have a social safety net, simi-socialised food supply and access to medicine.
Interesting flow of comments. I did notice one little issue that hasn’t been mentioned, however, and I do believe it’s worth mentioning. Maybe I’m stating the obvious. All this talk of vaping, and smoking, and rolling, well…
y’all might wanna think twice about passing that joint, starting right about now.
In fact, bogarting might not be a bad idea. Just sayin’.
Better safe than sorry.
Human beings are absolutely worthless in the absence of other human beings. We are a social species. What are you going to do, invent your own language and talk to yourself?
Human beings also have an incredible capacity for survival. Hence, we have overrun the planet. The proof is in our population size. I believe I would be able to forgoe human interaction for a period of time, in order to ensure my survival. Those that can’t may not be meant to survive. Or at least the ones who can’t figure out not to pass the doob.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President Donald Trump’s administration is considering invoking special powers through a law called the Defense Production Act to rapidly expand domestic manufacturing of protective masks and clothing to combat the coronavirus in the United States, two U.S. officials told Reuters.
The use of the law, passed by Congress in 1950 at the outset of the Korean War, would mark an escalation of the administration’s response to the outbreak. The virus first surfaced in China and has since spread to other countries including the United States.
U.S. health officials have told Americans to begin preparing for the spread of the virus in the United States.
The law grants the president the power to expand industrial production of key materials or products for national security and other reasons. The biggest producers of face masks in the United States include 3M Corp and Honeywell International Inc.
Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Alex Azar told lawmakers this week that the United States needs a stockpile of about 300 million N95 face masks – respiratory protective devices – for medical workers to combat the spread of the virus. The United States currently has only a fraction of that number available for immediate use, Azar testified.
I wonder what Bernie would be doing? Why hasn’t anyone asked him? I guess the debate monitors can’t get past the important stuff like race & sex..oh well.
I see what Trump is doing..
Upping manufacturing of goods may be a good thing, but it’s not going to matter if many people do not have proper access to health care.
Do remember the articles Kym ran not to long ago about all the spies in the skies that can see a postage stamp in your outdoor grows.
Just say’in
A serious consideration should be … can inhaling cannabis smoke help to immunize people? I don’t know. It seems possible.
COR 19 is an assault on the breathing health of mammals. Cannabis has previously been shown to be an ally against lung infections.
Prevention 101, don’t catch the flu, prevent it.
Wouldn’t it be funny if it turned out that the only cure for the deadly virus was pot?! I’d pay good money to watch Orange Man or hot airbag Limbaugh being forced to get high. Hide the Cheetos!
My father used to say that was true of cigarette smoke. At least until he developed throat cancer.
I’m enjoying most of these opinions. But NOT the ones that go on and on. And on and on. 3-4 sentences per poster please.
Easy solution…skip the long ones you don’t want to read.
I agree. Keep it short and to the point. Don’t tack on 3 of 4 links.
It’s nobody’s fault but your own that ya’ll don’t have reading comprehension skills past a couple of sentences. Not everything can be laid out in a few lines.. Don’t go walk-in in a puddle or you might drown..
It’s not hard to be poignant.
(See, only 1 sentence can work easily)
If it’s meaning is to play on emotions rather than offer facts. There’s too much emotional hand wringing clouding public policy already.
It’s all to easy, that’s the issue. The truth is often in the depths of any issue. There are plenty of oneline hitta quittas. If that’s the way you roll turn to Faux News. Plenty of shallow information there that is easily spoon fed to the masses. Fast Food News… The real deal takes time and depth.
Shh…the adults are talking.
Really?
Chelsea Clinton
Adjunct Assistant Professor
Health Policy and Management
Office
https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/people/our-faculty/search?page=1&filter_department=Health%20Policy%20%26%20Management
You’re surprised Chelsea Clinton has a job?
Meanwhile, Eric Trump’s only jobs have been “Philanthropist” (employed by his dad’s fraudulent charity,) “Wine Enthusiast,” “Big Game Hunter,”and “Reality TV Show Guest Judge.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Trump
But I bet he at least knows how to give away money, drink wine and maybe shoot a gun while I doubt Clinton is really a leading practioner in the public health field despite her position on ” with the Clinton Foundation and Clinton Global Initiative.”
“In 2003, Clinton completed an MPhil degree in international relations at Oxford. Her 132-page thesis was titled The Global Fund to Fight AIDS, TB and Malaria: A Response to Global Threats, a Part of a Global Future,from Colubia University…In the spring of 2010, Clinton also completed an MPH degree at the Mailman School of Public Health of Columbia University and she began teaching graduate classes there in 2012.”
Not saying that she’s worth the money she is paid…but it sounds like she’s at least as qualified for her job as President Trump’s offspring.
No one has complained about it like they do Trumps kids…that are also well educated and qualified.
Double standard.
My understanding is that Haiti isn’t happy with the care they got from Clintons or the Bushes after collecting massive amounts of money to assist them..
You’re the one that started this thread. Chill your fuckin’ persecution complex, snowflake.
Practitioner, kym, practitioner. That was a deliberate word choice. Although I expect that the philosophy degree that is still being paid off might help a few phone sales people adjust to their situation.
I also disagree with your statement about “Not saying that she’s worth the money she is paid…” I imagine she returns value in capital return and publicity If not in expertise in services
Actually this is kinda interesting. Do I hear $2300 for a unit of Original Market Weed?
I think it’s interteresting that Coronavirus is affecting the very stupid and erroneous overkill packaging requirements socked to “legal” Farmers.. Just makes the Original Market thrive, because all the stupid packaging is nul and void. We gots the best..for less. Way less.. And with out all that stupid eco killing packaging that keeps you and your discretionary senses from picking the finest product, someone can actually smell and see what they are receiving. But leave it to the state to “run” industries.. because THEY know.. Maybe the state of California should try and focus on this health epidemic and butt out of controlling and micromanaging every aspect of the Cannabis industry…
I agree. When the “fork” is about sold out before spring break……I’d say the market is doing just fine. Booming in fact.
Fuck your name chump
This troll does this shit in Loco all the time. It’s because he feels inadequate and has to needle people personally and try to wear them down. Congratulations, you have officially been targeted because you have had the gall to contradict his agenda.
It’s Photoshop Dane Wiggington.
He’s mad that I know he’s nothing but an Infowars quack, and that I know his aliases.
https://kymkemp.com/2020/02/28/of-cannabis-and-covid-19/#comment-981886
He impersonates me when he is out of options for disrupting discussion.
It’s easy to see quackery, and I don’t have an issue calling it out.
I’ve disrupted his mission here at RHBB for over a year.
He’s a fucking loser, continuously losing.
You mad bro?
You Dane, bro?
Hey! What the hell? Quit talking bad about kids! What kind of bullshit statement is that? Seriously that’s messed up!
Who has 2 kids who hate their father, an infatuation with impersonating me, a crush on pequeno frito and has 10 aliases a week to fuck with Kym and her readers?
@ Kym,
A virus is spreading here.
Please don’t tell me your going to say that he is not impersonating me, and now Ullr, with this bullshit.
Why did you leave his comments under my name?
Although Kym runs a tight ship she also allows known trolls to hide in her comments staying just under the radar enough to not be banned. She should nip this in the bud.
@ Kym, you missed the original impersonation above.
Thank you. I’ll apologize on behalf of Sid photoshop Wiggington
Let’s not normalize blatant misusery.
So where do you think I should stop? It’s not your name. And unlike the version of my name you posted above which could easily be a typo, Real Brian 2.0 is clearly meant as a satire. I can assure you this. The person that made that comment has for years made comments under another name and you have never previously identified that person as Syd.
Vaping has caused 2506 illnesses and 54 deaths this year. How many cases of meningitous, hep c, herpes, and other contagious diseases have been caused by sharing joints, vaping, and other drug paraphalia? Maybe this will be a wakeup call to at least be more aware of who you are sharing spit with. I won’t be sad for folks that can’t get their vaping tools.
It’s unfortunate that our sensimilla must now wear dust masks to protect from the whooping corona beer cough.
The upside is of course that each branch of budding medicine has pretty green cartoon eyes, increasing the calming affects of the healing meds.
The good news:
China, where the outbreak began in December, has seen a slowdown in new infections and on Saturday morning reported 427 new cases over the past 24 hours along with 47 additional deaths. The city at the epicenter of the outbreak, Wuhan, accounted for the bulk of both.
New cases in mainland China have held steady at under 500 for past four days, with almost all of them in Wuhan and its surrounding Hubei province.
With the number of discharged patients now greatly exceeding those of new arrivals, Wuhan now has more than 5,000 spare beds in 16 temporary treatment centers, Ma Xiaowei, director of the National Health Commission, told a news conference in Wuhan on Friday.
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-live-updates-4-unrelated-133448422.html
Well golly gee, that’s good news, they need to quit being so sensitive and crank up those factories ASAP:
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/146362/airborne-nitrogen-dioxide-plummets-over-china
Grow you own personal and make your own edibles. You know exactly what your getting and can dose appropriately.
Problem with peoples thinking is, if a little is good more is always better.
I remember well Gavin & Huffman coming here to promise how they would take care of the mom and pop growers , How did that work out for you? How has it worked out for our local businesses?
The new plan is let the cartels walk across the border and give them free lawyers to help keep them here.
Not just from South of the Border but Bulgarians, Asians, anyone really.
And Ullr,
At this point I trust Chinese officials more than our own President.
No joke.
The dim-witted criminal who cant spell “Corona” virus is promoting this as a “democratic hoax” that he now has put his VP in charge of, to oversee.
Simultaneously silencing top officials from talking publicly about the virus, er…hoax.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/mike-pence-coronavirus-gag-rule
Good, old fashioned honesty there Brian.
Anyone reading your post can plainly see that trusting your opinion or facts means trusting dialogue from the minds of Communism. Very, very bad mister. In fact your disrespect is beyond allowable tolerances on a public platform.
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It’s safer to do say what you want in this country. In China, disagreeing with the government is dangerous- “Authorities in western China apparently wanted to make an example of 16-year-old Yang Hui.
He was the first person in China to be arrested under a new rule against “rumor mongers,” defined as people who intentionally post a rumor that is reposted 500 times or more, or viewed 5,000 times or more.” https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2013/09/25/226181016/new-chinese-law-no-rumormongering
I’m not talking about freedom.
I’m telling you I don’t trust Trump.
Well gosh golly gee why the neck not?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-coronavirus-flu-vaccine-us-pandemic-meeting-leonard-schleifer-a9371286.html
Perfectly acceptable if reasoned. It’s the reasoning in a statement about trusting China’s data more than the US’s just because the US contains Donald Trump that is dubious. Especially when your own behavior is that you feel free to object to and express hate for government here while in China people get arrested for even saying something that gets repeated by others if the government finds it disagreeable. Seems the exact opposite would be more logical.
In fact I never mentioned not trusting our agencies.
I also do not express hate for this Government, that was HumCo, remember?
Just because the Chinese party is inclined to control how information is distributed does not mean there is evidence of manipulating any data regarding case numbers.
Lastly I have been quoting the New England Journal of Medicine.
It’s established as credible through peer-review and is based out of Massachusetts.
So covfefe these sentiments of me as a Chinese Communist Party offiliate.
Stop lying Brian.
You exposed your true color and it’s a bright red for communism.
“I trust Chinese officials more than our own President.”
Put any Chinese official against Trump in an English spelling bee and see what happens.
The New England Medical journal did not accuse or hint that China is manipulating data, you figure it out.
China Clamps Down on Coronavirus Coverage as Cases Surge
Public frustrations were once left uncensored online, and news outlets reported rigorously on the epidemic. Those days may be past.
“Late last month, for instance, after The New England Journal of Medicine published a research paper about early cases of the virus, Chinese web users pounced on the fact that several of the authors worked for the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, saying they should have been informing the public, not furthering their research careers.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/world/asia/china-coronavirus-censorship.html
If you guys think you have the time and brains to go to get PHDs, form a peer review journal and publish something, I’ll quote you too.
We already know there are undiagnosed cases here in the US. Washington thinks they have 600, but many if not most will not be diagnosed before passing as it’s been there for weeks or more.
If you come up with something that shows a 3% death rate, peer reviewed let me know.
Otherwise stop trippin!
1.4% or less for me, for now, until more is known.
You live with whatever numbers you want.
Nobody is trippin’, you’re blowing any morsel of credibility that you previously had.
“I trust Chinese officials more than our own President.”
Followed by anti-American President trash talk.
“The dim-witted criminal who cant spell “Corona” virus is promoting this”
You published it, now own it.
Think before you post hate.
Rod, I don’t trust Trump.
Owned.
There’s no evidence of data manipulation by the Chinese.
Owned.
OK, you’re an admitted (owned) mouthpiece for the communist Chinese.
If Kym Kemp could tolerate you and your communist propaganda, somethings wrong.
Do you carry some ID proving your hatred of America?
Can you vote here? Are you a citizen? Schooling credentials? Taxpayer?
Tell your story, it sounds terrible.
Rod, Not trusting Trump as much as one trusts Chinese officials does not a communist make. Otherwise, you would have to accept that President Trump disregarding the investigations of American intelligence officials and preferring to listen to Vladimir Putin makes our President a communist. And, our current president is very much a capitalist.
You’re a gass, Rod.
That’s what you are.
Real funny stuff.
Of course I’m not Chinese!
I’m North Korean.
Chinese President Xi Jinping had warned fellow communists during his debut speech that capitalism had its benefits and socialism could only beat it out if its application remained dynamic and ready for reform.
https://www.newsweek.com/china-xi-socialism-defeat-capitalism-1381942
And the Chinese communist party operates with capitalism, too.
The idea that there is only capitalism or socialism governing any country is a false dichotomy.
Authoritarian or democratic is more reasonable.
The Communist Party of Chinamaintains that despite the co-existence of private capitalists and entrepreneurs with public and collective enterprise, China is not acapitalist country because the party retains control over the direction of the country, maintaining its course of socialist development.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_market_economy#Description
What all authoritarian regimes do is try to compel their people with controlled propaganda that the government is completely for the citizens to maintain unchecked power.
To Kym Kemp,
Communist mouthpiece was my definition. Please, don’t misinterpret my meaning. Plus, putting me on a temporary blocked reply status, was unnecessary.
To Brian,
My name is spelled with a capital G. Disrespect somebody else.
Rod, I didn’t block you at all. Your ip is with a group of ip’s that is being held for moderation because a person I banned is able to get through unless I do that. I apologize for the inconvenience but I’m struggling to do a lot with very little resources.
Thanks for the courtesy reply Kym Kemp.
You do a lot with so little, hang in there.
A genetics and infectious disease expert at Seattle’s Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center said Tuesday that additional analysis of the spread of the novel coronavirus using genetic markers has led to him conclude that as many as 570 Washington residents may have contracted the virus, many of them without knowing it, and have been spreading it through the community with Snohomish County as the outbreak’s center.
On Monday, in a new string of tweets elaborating on his earlier observations, Bedford stated that the initial case in January — which he refers to as WA1 — likely “infected someone who was missed by surveillance due to mild symptoms and a transmission chain was initiated at this point in mid-Jan.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/new-coronavirus-cases-in-western-washington-are-likely-doubling-every-6-days-fred-hutch-scientist-says/
Conservative estimate of 330 cases but up to 570. His 570 estimate fits a 1.05% mortality rate, fyi.
He says the cases in Washington are likely doubling every 6 days.
We will not diagnose every case, but every death will be counted.
This is interesting.
Broken down by region, and more specifically the time between first diagnoses vs. first death, there is a large difference of mortality rates.
South Korea has a mortality rate of 0.6%, Italy 2.6%, Singapore 0.0%.
https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-03-20-intl-hnk/h_36a735016a4c400ef735d7b12fd75abf
US is stated at 5.9% currently, but we all know Washington (state) is far behind on the real numbers:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/new-coronavirus-cases-in-western-washington-are-likely-doubling-every-6-days-fred-hutch-scientist-says/
“World health officials said Tuesday the case fatality rate for COVID-19 is 3.4% globally, higher than previous estimates of about 2%.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/03/who-says-coronavirus-death-rate-is-3point4percent-globally-higher-than-previously-thought.html
“SEATTLE (AP) — Washington state reported a total of nine coronavirus deaths Tuesday as schools in the Seattle area mulled teaching students online in the event of prolonged closures over health concerns.”
https://apnews.com/70e207e841870c9e12b482c6a8623cae
Let the individual States like Germany, South Korea and Singapore be examples, of what was done right.
China did pretty good.
But Trump’s “great” America is in about last place for handling of the pandemic, so far.
Go back to Chile?
Not a conspiracy theorist; Only working on actual facts and data. This is a mass panic endeavor by Globalist leaders intentionally and incompetently. Look up Event 201, Look up Ted Talk 2014 Bill Gates , look up Dark Winter, GERM GAMES Look up Dean Koontz Wuhan-400, TOO MANY COINCIDENCES HERE; How many of you have actual relatives or freinds dying of CoronaVirus right now; slim to none?(other causes, poor health basic flue~?). Meanwhile the markets tank, People are self quarantined, governments threaten, BASIC INCOME(relief) being rolled out. THIS IS TECHNOCRACY. Wake up people!!! Check out Dr. Paul HE KNOWS WHAT’S UP http://the-studio-reykjavik.com/medicine
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