Spring Forward and Move Those Clocks (Hey, Didn’t We Vote to Get Rid of This?)
Tomorrow, Sunday, at 2 a.m. the time here in California will spring forward to 3 a.m. So, don’t forget to change your clock. The mornings will then be darker til a later time and the evenings lighter allowing more time after work to be outside.
But, some of you might be asking, what happened to Proposition 7 that California voters passed in 2018. Wasn’t that supposed to stop this time changing nonsense?
Yes, Prop. 7 passed (with around 60% of the votes). But, the proposition didn’t make the change to Daylight Saving Time permanent. It only gave approval for the legislature to make the change. So far, the California legislature hasn’t. It needs to pass a bill making the change to permanent Daylight Saving Time (by a two-thirds vote). And then, the US Congress needs to agree with the change.
The bill to do this was introduced in December but hasn’t wound its way through the system yet.
“We started this practice to conserve energy during wartime,” said California state representative Kansen Chu in an article in the Escondido Grapevine, “but studies show that this is no longer the case. We are no longer saving energy, and studies have shown this practice increases risk of heart attacks, traffic accidents and crimes. It is time that we as a state reconsider whether this is still beneficial to our residents.”
Some scientists have come out in favor of not switching the clock because the abrupt change can be bad for people’s health. According to this AP story,
Numerous studies have linked the start of daylight saving time in the spring with a brief spike in car accidents, and with poor performance on tests of alertness, both likely due to sleep loss….Disruptions to the body clock have been linked with obesity, depression, diabetes, heart problems and other conditions. Circadian biologists say these disruptions include tinkering with standard time by moving the clock ahead one hour in the spring…[In addition,]
Time changes mess with sleep schedules, a potential problem when so many people are already sleep deprived, says Dr. Phyllis Zee, a sleep researcher at Northwestern Medicine in Chicago.
About 1 in 3 U.S. adults sleep less than the recommended seven-plus hours nightly, and more than half of U.S. teens don’t get the recommended eight-plus hours on weeknights. One U.S. study found that in the week following the spring switch to daylight saving time, teens slept about 2½ hours less than the previous week. Many people never catch up during the subsequent six months.
Research suggests that chronic sleep deprivation can increase levels of stress hormones that boost heart rate and blood pressure, and of chemicals that trigger inflammation.
But opponents argue that having daylight last later in the evenings is nice but in the winter, if Daylight Saving Time is year round, children will be walking to school in the dark. They also point out that studies indicate that it is harder to get up when it is still dark outside.
Daylight Saving Time began in Germany in 1916 as a means of conserving energy. The US first adopted it for the same reason in 1918 but it has gone through various stops and restarts and reconfigurations since then.
According to Interesting Engineering,
On October 17, 1974, the U.S. returned to Standard Time until February 23, 1975, when DST resumed.
In April, 1976, a report by the National Bureau of Standards, which is today the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) entitled, “Review and Technical Evaluation of the DOT Daylight Saving Time Study” found DST provided no significant energy savings, but NIST did find there were increased fatalities among school children in the mornings.
The economy is one of the movers behind changing to Daylight Saving Time as the Interesting Engineering article goes on to note,
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce noted that DST increased the amount of shopping done after work, and the golf industry noted a considerable increase in revenue of “$200 million in additional sales of golf clubs and greens fees.”
Wyoming Senator Michael Enzi and Michigan Representative Fred Upton noted that DST increased candy sales for Halloween. In 1987, both senators from Idaho, Larry Craig, and Mike Crapo voted to extend DST, reasoning that fast-food restaurants would sell more French fries during DST. Fries are made from Idaho potatoes.
If we keep changing time like we are now, studies show this could be bad for our health.
If we stop changing to Daylight Saving Time and just use Standard Time, then we lose that precious extra hour of daylight when we get home, and this could be bad for the economy.
If we permanently change to Daylight Saving Time, children will be walking to school in the dark (unless we change school start times) and people will struggle harder to get up without the prompting of morning light coming through their windows.
If you got to vote, would you prefer to change like we do now twice a year? Or, to use Standard Time–the sun rises at an earlier time on the clock and leaves at a an earlier time, too? Or do you prefer to stay on Daylight Saving Time–the sun rises at a later time on the clock and disappears later, too?
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You mean parents will be driving kids to school in their SUVs in the dark…
I would love to get rid of the time change, due to it completely ruining my sleep for weeks twice a year. I don’t much care which one we pick – just pick one and stick to it!
^^ Yes! Kids are driven to school now, so dark mornings are no longer an issue!
What a clock of shit.
I don’t care who you are… That’s funny!
I agree !
Hahaha bwahaha!!😂😆
Lmao, yup!
Wouldn’t working 8:00 to 4:00 instead of 9:00 to 5:00 accomplish the same.
Biannual mind fuck.
No time was “saved” in the creation of this absurdity.
There’s a time change? How do I change the clock on my smart phone?
Because of the Oct 1973 oil crisis, the State legislature made Daylight Savings year round. It was cancelled in early 1974 due to complaints about children going to school in the dark.
I’d like to keep daylight savings time. I love having the extra hour of light in the summer to work on my garden or for camping and any outdoor fun stuff like bbq’s and get togethers.
It also baffles me how many people don’t understand that DST isn’t what makes it light longer, but the seasons.
To put it in perspective:
June 21 this year sunrise will be at around 5:45 and sunset will be at 8:51. If DST never started sunrise would be at 4:45 and sunset would be at 7:51. On the opposite side December 21st will have sunrise at 7:37 standard and sunset at 4:52. If DST didn’t end sunrise would be 8:37 and sunset would be at 5:52. I sure as heck don’t want an 8:37 sunrise!
Given the science of sleep, and subsequent productivity, it would seem that for the true health & welfare of everyone, the school day, and the workday as well, need to start at 10 am. (And school needs to end by 3, Work by 4:20.) All of our lives would become more productive if we were less sleep deprived, but, hey, so much for Science.
And it’s also well known that after about 6 hours, productivity drops off for most of us. And, don’t we have plenty of work to do at home if we want to keep working?
Sanity would have a chance to make a comeback!
Get up earlier [edit]. Or go live closer to the equator.
Of all the foolish things in the world, Daylight Savings Time has to take the cake. Noon should be when the sun is at its highest point in the sky. Our monthly connection to the Earth was taken from us by the Romans, with their narcissistic usurping of days of the month for their own glory, but Time was always dependable. No matter where on Earth you were, noon was when the sun was at its highest point.
Then along came DST, making noon when the sun is, “over there somewhere,” and suddenly for part of the year, there is no connection to reality. Now they propose to make it permanent.
I have a proposal for all those who think DST gives them an extra hour somewhere. Adjust your schedule. If you like the, “extra hour,” of daylight in the morning, get up an hour earlier. It’s that simple. No need to mess with everyone’s reality, and expect everyone to walk around in la-la land with you, cutting the ends off blankets, sewing them onto the other end, and saying you got a longer blanket.
Personally, I’m for the elimination of DST entirely, and I believe with good reason. If we’re not going to tie the time to the sun and the Earth, why tie it to anything? Why not eliminate time zones, too? The only reason they exist is to keep noon as close as possible to when the sun is at its highest point, wherever you are.
If we’re going to make DST permanent, why not just have World Time? When it’s 12:00 in Greenwich, make it 12:00 all over the world. Everyone goes by the same clock. A quarter of the way around the world, noon would be at 6:00 pm, halfway around the world would be at midnight, three-quarters of the way around would be at 6:00 am, or something like that. Noon at midnight, you say? That’s crazy!
So is Daylight Savings Time.
We look at a clock and confuse it for time. We look at a mirror and confuse it for ourself.
Hear, hear. I am flabbergasted that while voting for eliminating the change, people were voting for permanent DST, not permanent accurate time. Did they know this?
There’s still time to stop this, but (i guess the BS is working and i’m demoralized)… part of me thinks, Why bother? This nonsense is emblematic of all the messed up crap overwhelming common sense on all sides.
If the legislature does go through with this (who sponsored the ridiculous bill to begin with? It can’t possibly stand, it’s so stupid), i will take a cue from my late friend Ken, who just didn’t bother to go along with DST. When people said, in summertime, “We’ll meet at one p.m.,” he said, “Sure thing, see you at noon”–and his clocks stayed on real time.
I guess they–the reality-haters– have a right to identify as fake-time persons, but i will always identify as a natural-born real time person. They can’t force anyone to become unnatural to suit their bizarre whims.
>”Hear, hear. I am flabbergasted that while voting for eliminating the change, people were voting for permanent DST, not permanent accurate time. Did they know this?”
In the previous election, people voted to give the state legislature a ‘decision’ on DST vs PST time zones.
You didn’t vote on DST or PST. (Although some people may have believed that.)
>”Personally, I’m for the elimination of DST entirely, and I believe with good reason. If we’re not going to tie the time to the sun and the Earth, why tie it to anything? Why not eliminate time zones, too? The only reason they exist is to keep noon as close as possible to when the sun is at its highest point, wherever you are.”
As you’ve said, in the ‘old days’, (pre 1880’s) local time was set by the sun. For example, you could travel east to Redding and have the clock time set differently than Eureka.
Then along came the railroads, which depended on an accurate time.
Railroads can’t have trains colliding along the tracks due to time differences. Pre 1880, each railway set their ‘own time’, which was one of the the reasons for the old ‘railroad’ pocket watches’.
Development of telegraph lines which meant that an ‘accurate’ time could be established at stations along the track. End result was national time zones… then along came DST, which was introduced during WWI to save fuel used for lighting during the war. (Which it does.) Today… DST is a major boom to ‘outdoor’ retail traffic, hot dog sales, outdoor cooking ‘stuff’ sales (etc) are pretty well tied to it.
Thank you, Bozo, for the clarifications, but: According to Ballotpedia and my memory, although provisions 1 and 3 allowed monkeying around with any aspect of time-zone setting, provision 2 specified establishing permanent, year-round DST–while permanent, year-round standard (sun-based) time was not a stated option. Technically, anything could happen with the legislature now; but the measure was worded with a bias toward the permanent DST solution. (Again, just a poorly worded measure, which sowed confusion–it didn’t really ask about the will of the people. Although perhaps, in this case, that’s a good thing.) Here is the Ballotpedia summary:
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California Proposition 7, the Legislative Power to Change Daylight Saving Time Measure, was on the ballot in California as a legislatively referred state statute on November 6, 2018. The measure was approved.
A yes vote supported allowing the California State Legislature to (1) change the dates and times of the daylight saving time (DST) period, as consistent with federal law, by a two-thirds vote; (2) establish permanent, year-round DST in California by a two-thirds vote if federal law is changed to allow for permanent DST; and (3) take action to change time policy concerning both daylight saving time and standard time.
A no vote opposed allowing the state legislature to (1) change the dates and times of the DST period, as consistent with federal law, by a two-thirds vote; (2) establish permanent, year-round DST in California by a two-thirds vote if federal law is changed to allow for permanent DST; and (3) take action to change time policy concerning both daylight saving time and standard time. A no vote would have continued to prevent the legislature from altering the state’s DST policy since it was enacted through a citizen initiative.
And indeed, you bring up the crux of the whole matter: “DST is a major boom to ‘outdoor’ retail traffic, hot dog sales, outdoor cooking ‘stuff’ sales (etc) are pretty well tied to it…”
How’s it feel to be asked to participate in lunacy, just so Walmart can sell more barbecue shit?
Steve,
thanks,
agreed.
Go by the sun, where it is in the sky, the natural time.
standard time
There is an old Native American saying that goes something like this, “Only the white man thinks he can cut one end off his blanket, sew it back on to the other end and wind up with a longer blanket”
Love it!
Thank you john more please!!!
That’s the essence of the problem: The length of the blanket stays the same. DST is nice for prolonging outdoor activity in the evenings but it has been extended for too much of the year. Extended DST forces the feet out from under the blanket for everyone with somewhere to be before about 9:00 AM. It should be no earlier than the end of March and no later than the end of September. Rush hour traffic in the dark is more hazardous in the morning than in the evening because of the extra rush factor added by the imperative of work schedules.
If it’s so important to have more daylight after work, etc, wouldn’t it be wiser to adjust work schedules? And to all you people saying, “But how are you going to get everyone to do that?” I say, the same way we get everyone to do something as senseless as changing the time. Make it mandatory.
I would have attributed that quote in my comment, were anyone able to verify who said it. Attribution, or not, it’s an accurate representation of the facts.
Very confusing. According to some research (SacBee and CBS13), assembly member, Kansun Chu-D San Jose introduced AB7 after prop. 7 passed in November 2018.
According to an article in the Sept. 10, 2019 issue of the SacBee, assembly person Chu announced that he was delaying the bill until January of 2020.
I think most of the people that like DST like it because it gives them more sun light after work instead of before.
So talk to your boss, explain to them that you feel uncomfortable being an idiot, and ask them to adjust the work schedule. That is, after getting them to back the return to permanent Standard Time.
Was I supposedctochamge the clocks?
Does this mean most of the locally owned stores will finally be open past 5 pm? That’s whats lame are their winter hours, not the change o clock
Do like Salomon: cut it between !!! (half an hour between the two)
🙂