Humboldt County Clerk Details Election Turnout, Ballot Security Measures, and Counting Timeline
“Turnout was significantly higher than the primary,” Cervantes noted, adding that while turnout didn’t reach the record-breaking levels of 2020, it was “close to twice as high” as this year’s earlier primary election.
Cervantes emphasized that the role of the elections office is to count ballots and provide accurate results, not to declare winners. “We don’t call elections in the sense that we don’t call winners and losers,” he explained, noting that election officials have up to 30 days to certify the results and that much of the ballot counting happens after Election Day. Although media outlets might declare winners based on projections, election officials focus solely on counting every eligible vote, verifying each, and publishing results as they become available.
On election night, Humboldt County’s posted results reflect ballots received before the Friday prior to the election, including vote-by-mail and early voting ballots. However, a large batch of approximately 34,000 ballots, submitted between Saturday and Election Day, is now being processed. Cervantes explained, “From here on out, we’re in the canvas period,” as his office counts these ballots and prepares weekly updates. According to Cervantes, the process of verifying and counting every ballot means additional results will be posted each Friday until all the eligible votes are counted.
To ensure accuracy, all mail-in ballots go through several verification steps, including signature checks. “We check each signature on a vote-by-mail envelope and match it to the file on the voter’s registration,” Cervantes said. “If the signature doesn’t match, additional reviews and extra steps are taken to make sure we get ahold of the voter to cure that issue.”
This year, voters in Humboldt County experienced issues with the state-run ballot-tracking system, BallotTrax, which failed to notify some voters of their ballot’s progress through the stages. Cervantes acknowledged the challenges, noting that Humboldt County has limited control over this state-contracted system: “It was a rough go-around with [BallotTrax] this time,” he said. While BallotTrax is intended to keep voters updated on the status of their ballots, technical issues prevented some notifications from being sent. “Usually, a voter would receive four notifications over the time that they’re voting,” Cervantes said, including alerts when the ballot is mailed, in transit back, received, and counted. However, for many Humboldt voters, the system only sent two notifications, typically when the ballot was mailed out and then again when it was finally counted. Cervantes clarified that this issue does not reflect any delay or problem in the county’s ballot counting process but rather a technical hiccup in the state-contracted tracking system. He reassured voters that all ballots received are being processed as usual, regardless of whether they see these updates in real time, and voters will still receive final confirmation once their ballots are counted.
Though security concerns plague elections, Cervantes emphasized that “we don’t use any third-party vendors” or volunteers in the ballot handling process; instead, the county relies solely on county employees, including supervisors and members of the Sheriff’s Department, to securely manage ballot collection. “This year, the supervisors were kind enough to go out into their districts and be there at 7:45, prior to the polls closing, ready to close those ballot box[es] at eight on the dot, and then to bring them into our office,” Cervantes explained. Supervisors like Bushnell and Madrone even traveled to more remote areas, such as Garberville and Willow Creek, to ensure ballots were securely retrieved.
While some voters expect immediate results, Cervantes explained that a thorough, secure process takes time. “Elections are the sort of thing that you really only have one shot to do right,” he remarked. By law, his office performs a 1% manual audit of ballots to verify machine accuracy.
For those curious about the counting process or interested in election work, Cervantes welcomed community involvement: “When we hire election workers, we see it as a two-fold opportunity: one to get help in doing this work [and two,] it …allows the community … to see firsthand the levels we go to do things transparently, efficiently and accessibly.”
The first post-election results were posted yesterday, Friday, November 8. Cervantes expects the majority of the unprocessed ballots to be counted by the second post-election results are posted on November 15, with final certification expected by early December.
Press release from the Humboldt County Elections Office:
November 08, 2024 Elections Office Releases First Post-Election Results Update and Begins Canvass Process
With 2,539 additional ballots counted, the Humboldt County Elections Office provides an update on the canvass process which ensures every vote is accurately verified and included.
The Humboldt County Elections Office has released its first post-election results update following Election Day, adding 2,539 ballots to the total count, bringing the total to 33,956 out of the county’s 84,741 registered voters.
Along with these updates, the Elections Office has officially begun the canvass period, a detailed review process that confirms the accuracy and integrity of the final election results. Running through Tuesday, Dec. 3, the canvass includes verification of all received ballots, including vote-by-mail, provisional and conditional ballots, to ensure every valid vote is counted before certification of the election.
The Elections Office has approximately 31,499 unprocessed ballots as of today, Friday, Nov. 8.
Ballot Type Unprocessed Ballots Provisional 2,004 Vote-By-Mail 29,461 Ballots from Voting Locations 34Nearly all of these remaining ballots arrived on or after the Friday before Election Day, reflecting the trend of ballots being submitted close to or on Election Day. Of the 31,499 ballots that remain to be processed, 57 of the vote-by-mail ballots were received today, Friday, Nov. 8 and were postmarked on or before Election Day.
Under California law, vote-by-mail ballots postmarked by Election Day can be counted if they arrive within seven days after Election Day. Each mail-in ballot undergoes a careful signature verification process, with two election officials reviewing and comparing the signature on the ballot envelope to the voter’s registration record. If any discrepancies arise, voters are given the opportunity to resolve or “cure” the issue to ensure their vote is counted.
All valid vote-by-mail ballots will be counted regardless of the outcome or closeness of any race if they are postmarked by Tuesday, Nov. 5 and arrive by Tuesday, Nov. 12.
Canvass Process Ensures Accuracy and Transparency
As part of the canvass process, Humboldt County election officials conduct a manual tally to verify the accuracy of machine counts. Required by California’s Election Code, this step involves a hand count of at least one percent of ballots to confirm that electronic results align with the actual votes cast. This process identifies any discrepancies, reinforces the reliability of reported results and strengthens public trust in the electoral process.
Additionally, Humboldt County’s large college student population impacts the election process. Many students register locally, often close to Election Day, resulting in a higher number of provisional ballots. Provisional ballots are used when voter registration details require further confirmation. By processing these ballots after Election Day, officials ensure that all eligible votes are accurately included, while validating voter records with care.
The Humboldt County Office of Elections will continue providing updates each Friday to keep the public informed on ongoing progress. Final certification of the election results is expected by Tuesday, Dec. 3. Through each step of this process, the Humboldt County Office of Elections is committed to delivering a thorough, accurate election outcome that reflects the voice of its voters.
For more information on the results of the election, please visit the Elections Results webpage or call 707-445-7481.
About the Humboldt County Office of Elections
The Humboldt County Office of Elections is dedicated to conducting fair, accurate and transparent elections, ensuring the voice of the community is heard and that electoral integrity is maintained. The Elections Office is committed to upholding the democratic process, providing reliable information and maintaining an open line of communication with the public. For more information, visit humboldtgov.org/elections.
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To RHBB, Lisa Music, and the rest of the crew,
Thank you for this informative article…
Just this following except, explained a lot…
““Turnout was significantly higher than the primary,” Cervantes noted, adding that while turnout didn’t reach the record-breaking levels of 2020, it was “close to twice as high” as this year’s earlier primary election.”
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By “Turnout”, Cervantes must mean, “Voter Participation”…(as opposed to in person voting…)
And although I had researched the 2020 Voter Participation yesterday, and found that the percentage of registered voters that participated in the 2020 general election was 82.10%, and had marveled that, (I thought that was phenomenal), I didn’t realize that the turnout in 2020 had “broken records…”
Well, at least that explains why I was pretty surprised by it, and even fooled myself into missbelieving that 75.5% registered voter participation in the 2024 general election wasn’t even possible…
(Important to note that there was NO regular “in person voting” in Humboldt, in the 2020 general election. All ballots were “mail in ballots”, even the ballots given out at the in person voting locations on election day… And that “in person voting” in Humboldt, returned as a regular feature, in the 2024 general election, along with the increasingly mainstream “alternative” use of mail in ballots…)
Question:
Did the return to in person voting in the 2024 General Election, in Humboldt, actually reduce voter participation…???
It came down about 6.6 %, from 82.1% in 2020, to about 75.5% in 2024…
Maybe it was just a coincidence…???
Do people still believe biden got 81 million votes in 2020
Yes.
No
It looks good on paper…
No.
I’m unsure of what you mean when you say that all ballots were mail in ballots in 2020. I worked the polls in Garberville and people voted precinct ballots. I’m trying to recall if we used the verity scan machines then, and I’m pretty sure we did, but that was four years ago and several election stints since have come and gone.
Good morning Lisa Music….
I found that information on a CA.gov PDF by searching “California 2020 voter participation 2020 by County, Official results”…
Look at the very bottom of the page, after the triple asterisks…
“***”…
I can’t copy and paste it, so I hope the screenshot will suffice…
Have a good day…
TRG..
The footnote:
***County issued all ballots as vote-by-mail, including at in-person locations.
https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2020-general/sov/03-voter-participation-stats-by-county.pdf
There were no asterisks next to Humboldt County though. If you look, some counties have zero listed in the number column for precinct voters. Humboldt does not. That document shows 7,208 registered voters voted a precinct ballot, while 62,724 voted a vbm ballot.
State law excludes a small number of counties, including Alpine, from the requirement to have election day polling places because the small number of precinct voters makes it impractical.
Right, but I worked that election at the Garberville Playhouse and the document TRG is referring to states that 7,208 voters voted a precinct ballot. I think he’s attributing the three asterisks note at the bottom that applied to some counties, to Humboldt. That, or I’m completely misreading the document, and my memory is fried.
Thank you for your efforts to clear up confusion and allay suspicion.
I’m going with your memory and your reading of the documents – the other person has made nearly as many errors in interpreting the election reports as there are unprocessed ballots remaining.
In all fairness, a certain amount of confusion is understandable since election officials have their own specialized lingo which is subject to misinterpretation.
And sloppiness…I was on the Secretary of State’s website earlier and noticed that on at least some of their pages they equate number of ballots counted with % of voter turnout – but I don’t think that will be true until the final canvas is complete.
Yep, because 2, or 3, is “nearly as many as”, 31,499…
Perfectly logical…
I been gone running around all day…
Just got back…
You’re absolutely right, Lisa, I misattributed the footnote, in error, to to all Counties…
Thanks for the proofread…
I always pay attention to the things you say, especially when it comes to numbers. Remember when you caught the DHHS error? A great catch that your tenacity paid off on.
I’m glad that you caught it…
That is the result your experience…
It really was a rookie error of mine…
so much color in this country
Yeah, if I were on the left and just branded all of President Trump’s followers as nazis, and then called them all garbage too, then saw that map? I’d be getting out of here. According to that map, there are more nazis here than in Germany in 1942, nazis have a bad name(as they should) because they have a tendency to genocide those who are against them. If there isn’t a mass exodus of democrats from this country then that tells us 1 of two things:
Its only one of those two. Number 1 I can accept, it’s unfortunate, but we can show them that they were wrong and hopefully bring them around to a little enlightenment. If it’s number 2 however, I forgive them but I won’t forget, if it’s discourse that they desire now, they won’t get it, they will just be ignored, persona non-grata. Harsh? Maybe, but they had 8 years to think of what the repercussions would be for treating us like they did if they lost this election, which they soundly did.
My great uncle Elroy Wyman was a belly gunner in WWII. Shot down over Germany and interred in a POW camp. Murdered by a nazi guard as he went back into the barracks during an air raid alarm. Shot in the head. Google it. I couldn’t drive a VW Beetle into my Grandfather’s driveway EVER 50 years ago. That said, apparently democracy worked in this election. Good luck with your new regime, but I won’t vote alongside American nazis, skinheads, white supremacists and outright racists for a carnival barker ever.
Yes, democracy worked just fine in this election. It was a clean election that gave Trump a mandate.
Yes. Lower taxes for billionaires. Gut all environmental protections. Scapegoat brown people. Remove female autonomy over their own bodies. Befriend dictators. Empower Israel. Incite hate and violence. Dismantle democracy, install Autocracy. Rub orange makeup on flag.
Ballots were all counted on election night for years immemorial until Dem changes to process that substantially erodes voter confidence in a fair election
Might want to read about how easy earlier elections were to rig. https://www.history.com/news/voting-elections-ballots-electronic
That’s just not true though.
Thanks for the very informative article Lisa. I was quite surprised that the voter turnout was less this year than 2020. It seemed to me that this year was a more intense election year. Could the lower voter count be because people have moved away? If so, who moved, Democrats or Republicans? (Rhetorical question)
Only 33,956 out of the county’s 84,741 registered voters voted. What’s up with that? Why bother to register if you are not going to vote? (Another rhetorical question)
I have never seen so many lies, exaggerations, innuendos, and conflations as there was this year. On both sides! it seems to me that even a grammar school kid could see through that. I use almost all media sources so the lies are probably more obvious to me that the folks that refuse to listen to anything but their own narrative.
Thanks again for the article Lisa. Very full of information.
Ernie, it looks like more like a total of approximately 65,000 registered voters out of about 85,000, participated in the 2024 general election in Humboldt…
About 75.5%, as close as I can figure…
The good thing is that so far there has been a shift to the right in Humboldt and most Ca counties
It looks like voter turnout generally was lower than 2020. Maybe about 2% lower.
This is always a fun place to look at what has happened in the past. It’s also fun for reminiscing about things like actual landslide elections.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/elections/election-2024
I think that most people wanted something to do post Covid peak, and had more time to watch Trump (working against him) on media sources do to having less work and or social time.
If what is real is both unchanging and eternal; What is real? (for the rhetorical Wood-Pile)
Water, Air, Earth and Fire. And Gravity!
Faux Rage, is all the rage…
Cervantes said Madrone and Bushnell assisted. I don’t know about the other supervisors. As for security, scan machines, ballots, ballot boxes, etc, are all sealed with numbered tags and zip ties accompanied by a sealed log with the recorded tag numbers inside. They have to be verified by election workers at the polls before handed to the people delivering them, even when it’s sheriff deputies.
Lots of security measures in place. Sign up to work on election day, the process is fascinating.
Thanks, Lisa. Your clarifying story shouldn’t have been necessary and I probably shouldn’t have focused on a gratuitous tangent.
I’m not among the election deniers but it’s extremely poor optics to have any of the Supervisors play any role in collecting the ballots – this is not how you assure the skeptics that election integrity is secure.
As some of your regular commenters confirm, election denial and ignorance of the process are so deeply ingrained they’re unwilling to accept the election results even when they’re “winning” – God forbid their reaction had they lost!
Sore losers are a pain in the ass but sore winners are insufferable.
I suspect the skeptics aren’t going to trust anyone or anything that doesn’t match the stories they tell themselves; it’s human nature; we don’t like having our world view messed with. Hell, I’ve done it myself, more than once.
+1 on sore winners.
As someone who used to feel that my vote wasn’t counted due to elections being “called” (by news outlets) prior to my vbm ballot arriving, and a person that felt very negatively about a provisional ballot, I understand how it is easy to be confused about elections. I signed up and figured it out by being part of the process. I don’t mind sharing the information with others by interviewing our head county election official… it’s actually one of my favorite parts of the job.
Fun fact, Susan Moxon, chair of the Republican Party of Humboldt County has also done the same and told Lauren Schmitt that she has the utmost respect and faith in Cervantes and the security of Humboldt County elections.
Local elections officials work really hard to get things right – it was a huge disservice for Trump to cast a shadow over them because he couldn’t stand the thought of losing – and disgusting to see how many people bought into the “stop the steal” charade and are willing to excuse the J6 Capitol takeover – the next four years will be interesting to say the least!
Until there is a voter ID there is no secure ballot. An id costs what 30 dollars? You need an id to get on a plane and several other activities why not to vote?
I’d like to see voter ID too. But it’s worth noting that getting on a plane and the other activities you need ID for are optional privileges while voting is a right.
Owning a firearm is right, but you need an id to buy one. Traveling is a right but you need an ID unless you plan on walking everywhere.
I support gun purchases without an ID. You can also make your own gun without an ID right now.
And traveling is a right, but that doesn’t guarantee you access to any particular vehicle. You’re free to walk wherever you want, or ride a bike, without ID. You can actually drive without ID too but if you get stopped for some reason you’re going to have a head ache to deal with
About this election in and about our county, State, and Country: “The bigger lesson being that America is just too big, — and too wild, and too destructive, and rooted in the idea of individual freedom—-for any self styled “elite” to ride the horse for very long, without being thrown off.” By David Samuels published in Unherd, Nov 9, 2024.
Truer words have never been said. We are governed on a pendulum concept, It swings both ways through time. If it gets stuck one way for too long, the American people unstick it and shove it back the other way. That should provide hope for the 60% of Humboldt County citizens walking around today feeling like their world ended for good. We have all been there and done that. God bless America. Peace out.
The feeling the world has ended is due to BS manipulation by the media. He was already in office for 4 years. People forget that. The world did not end. You may not agree with his policies, that is fine, but the Democrats only campaign was of hate and accusing him of being a fascist racist etc with no real plan just hate, then wonder why they lost.
Giving suggestions to the folks who feel they lost is helpful so they realize they won too. It’s a good idea so they stay calm, think it through, and realize they have an equal say. No more “garbage” people incindeary rhetoric, pet squirrel Pnut and Fred the Raccoon kidnapping and subsequent death sentence by lethal injection for being themselves, no more 360 law where u the individual are the loser no matter what. That’s all Americans want. We need mature individuals with business acumen and an innate ability to reach out to all American citizens, ALL. That happened on November 5th, 2024. A new beginning. American first, the other folks in other countries always, but never batting first or cleanup.
His failure to respect the peaceful transfer of power and instigating the attacks on the Capitol were pretty revealing of character – or lack thereof.
But I’m glad he took the high road and ran a hate free campaign this time around – right?
Curious if you consider the last 8 years from the left hate free?!
how about the last two months?
problem is, now people consider things they don’t agree with “hate”
Last 8 years hate free? – Not at all!
In 2016 Trump blew the gates of hate wide open with his blatantly racist comments and non-stop lies – an atypical politician in every regard, he popularized doubling down when caught in a lie and never missed an opportunity to belittle, mock and demean his opponents or anyone who disagreed with him.
What a guy! The hell with truth, facts professional demeanor and political correctness! And multitudes of disaffected people loved him for it!
He also inspired strong feelings from those who disagreed with his politics but it was his racism and vitriol that inspired personal attacks against him.
Speaking of hate how about those J6ers?
How much hate does it take to violently attack the police, break into the US Capitol and interrupt certification of the election?
And I hate to think what would be happening if he had lost!
But you’re right about one thing – it’s amazing how so many people are now interpreting disagreement as hate – it’s bizarre and irrational – and it does seem more prevalent on the left but I see it on the right also – I’m hoping Trump dials the vitriol back – what if he focused on being a gracious winner intent on enacting a legacy based on policy instead of divisiveness?
So typical to blame the left’s hate on trump.
Trump was right to say the 2020 election was fraudulent, but he was not involved in the Jan. 6 BS… Pelosi and her ilk set that up and her daughter shot the video which proves it. I’m surprised you haven’t viewed the video.
Nancy Pelosi says ‘I take responsibility’ for not having National Guard at the Capitol on Jan. 6 in video shot by her own daughter.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics…
Right!
Trump had no part in J6 – merely spewed lies for two months, encouraged mobs to descend on the Capitol and told them to fight like hell and refused for hours to call them off.
And the basis for encouraging the mob attack was the patently false claims of widespread election fraud which have been thoroughly debunked with over 60 failed lawsuits.
You’re confused by TDS. Trump didn’t encourage mobs for months and wasn’t involved in J6. Period.
Reading comprehension?
I didn’t say Trump encouraged mobs for months – I said he spewed lies for months.
And it’s idiotic to say Trump wasn’t involved in J6 – he assembled the mob, incited the mob, and delayed calling them off for hours.
I’m old enough to remember in 2016 when the second largest talking point against a possibleTrump Presidency besides Russia russia Russia. Was that he would get us in World War 3 and start a nuclear war. lol, We all know how that played out. I hope he’s able to ease tensions around the world like last time. And how about that Iranian assassination attempt they kept quiet.
Be wary about that sort of thing. A lot of times those are intelligence agencies trying to “preheat” public sentiment. A lot of longtime bureaucrats and neocons have desired war with Iran for decades, and this could be nothing more than a ploy to get the public more agreeable to going to war in the Middle East, as well as convince President Trump it’s necessary. I don’t trust the rumor about that Iranian assassination attempt at all. However, I do know that the democrats actually did try to kill him twice. You think they would all shut up about J6 after that. The reason Kamala ran and did it so poorly was because the Democrat plan wasn’t to have her run against President Trump, the plan was to assassinate him and install her as president.
Ha, ha!
Source for your tinfoil hat delusions?
Why would I need a “source”? That’s the only defense you people have! A source from what? Our vaunted mainstream news outlets who have shown themselves to be “oh so trustworthy!”, and never tell a lie? I don’t need a source because I have logic, it’s called being able to think. After watching the integrity of our intelligence agencies and the way they operate should make anybody with a brain realize that anything that is said by those agencies should be taken with about a dump truck load of salt. They are not on our side or looking out for the American People.
As for my belief on the dem plan to not really run a campaign, just assassinate their opponent. They removed the man who supposedly got the most popular votes in American history and replaced him with a woman who was about as popular as a hobo’s armpit. You called Biden slow, you called him old, you called him a joke, well here’s a joke for you, what does Willie Brown and the 2024 election have in common? Kamala blew them both.
I’m assuming you mean Democrats with a capital D. Do you have any proof that the Democratic leadership was involved because of course, that would be utterly horrifying and certainly at least equal to J6 where some of the folks wanted to hang Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi. But since you didn’t provide any link to facts backing that up, don’t repeat it unless you can provide some factual basis.
Ya’ll haven’t cared about facts for 8 years. A small percentage of republicans did something stupid on j6 and we were all branded insurrectionists. Did you see how red that map is? We are going to have as much discourse with you as ya’ll did with us for 8 years. The democrat party was cheering for the assassination attempt and were overwhelmingly angry that it failed. Ya’ll are despicable people, but I’m just garbage remember? What kind of discourse can we have after all the shit from ya’ll? Take a back seat, shut up like you wanted us too, we’re taking you for a ride through the most prosperous time in American history, you can thank us later after we prove y’all wrong, our revenge is to give you the opportunity to make your life better than it has ever been with the strongest economy ever and no wars.
Oh wait I forgot, I’m just supposed to call you racist and misogynist and slam the door shut on any further conversation.
Not to put to fine a point on it…but I love lots of Republicans, many of whom unfortunately voted for Trump. Rude assholes now…are assholes whether they are Republicans or Democrats or Communists.
Ya’ll have been rude assholes for 8 years. Let me tell you what we won’t do and haven’t done: We won’t jail political dissidents, we won’t be “building camps,” we won’t be trying to censor you, we won’t be burning down cities, and we won’t be making any attempts on any of your candidates lives or your own. Your side did all of that. We won’t.
Dang I try hard to be nice even when folks are unrelentingly nasty. (Sadly, I don’t always live up to my highest ideals.)
On the other hand even through your (in my opinion unduly broad) accusation that “Ya’ll have been rude assholes for 8 years” I hear your frustration and I definitely am not proud of the behavior of some Democrats and Progressives. But let’s look at this honestly. Some of us see other issues that aren’t addressed in your comment. For me, it’s important to address what happened on January 6, 2021. That day, a mob—most of them Trump supporters—stormed the Capitol in an attempt to overturn the results of a democratic election. They assaulted police officers, broke into offices, and chanted about hanging then-Vice President Mike Pence and Democrat leaders. That was not a small act of “stupidity”; it was an unprecedented attack on our democracy, with numerous individuals charged for their violent actions.
Some high-profile GOP figures up to and including President Trump downplayed or even encouraged this behavior, spreading baseless claims about a “stolen” election which led to this. The aftermath led to dozens of convictions, some for seditious conspiracy—serious charges by any measure.
And let’s talk about censorship, since you mentioned it. Republican lawmakers and governors in recent years have passed laws restricting discussions in schools about race and LGBTQ+ issues, and attempted to ban books they disagree with. That sure looks a lot like censorship. It’s also worth mentioning that, under Trump, his Justice Department secretly obtained phone records from journalists—a troubling attack on press freedom.
But here’s the thing: just because the actions of some Republicans or Democrats are questionable doesn’t mean every individual in those parties is complicit. “Ya’ll have been rude assholes for 8 years” is just hyperbole. Most Republicans are not insurrectionists. Heck probably most of the mob at January 6 aren’t. Most Democrats weren’t supportive of burning down buildings during BLM protests or, closer to home, of vandalism during the occupation of the Cal Poly campus.
I know it’s tempting to see things in black and white–especially when angry or scared, but we’re all better off if we hold everyone accountable for what they actually do and stop blaming every one in a political party or social movement for the actions of a few. I really hope that this website leads to real conversations that focus on what we can do rather than whirring around in cycles of blame.
You had 4 years to say that and you didn’t
I say that every fucking day by letting what I think of as ignorant arguments be posted on my site because, you know what? I can be wrong and I acknowledge that by allowing free speech even from people who treat me like shit.
Kym, I know that you are probably sad. Understandably so. I appreciate you realize that most people are fairly reasonable.
Friday morning at our town folks breakfast we had a discussion about politics with Republicans and Democrats. We were all reasonable and make some great points for both sides.
We decided that it was fun to present salient points without giving up long held friendships. We totally agreed on most issues. The differences that were made were mostly personal opinion. I miss the days when a discussion didn’t have to end up in a fight.
I have always been offended by people that will throw darts at you from behind the curtain of anonymity.
You put yourself out there to be stomped on, and you sign your name. It must be hard to take. I know that I have probably said some pretty offensive things. But at least you know who said them.
Ernie
Having been outted by Kym by having scraped data used in chastising me in comments, I’d say your take is personal. I find Kym as pretty ruthless in using her bully pulpit to lecture, hector and make things uncomfortable. But I believe that if she knows a person in her community, she is a whole lot less intolerant. It’s the assumptions about character she makes when she doesn’t know that permeates this spot, increases the irrationality. It devalues some and elevates others. I would no more risk her ire without some measure of anonymity than I would tell a neighbor.
However, it is also the only place I know where there is some real local news supplied in a timely way which makes it a lure. That it gets hijacked into nonrelated political has been an education to me. I knew nothing about right wing conspiracies nor the local Progressive machine except for here. It’s been educational but I’m not sure it’s quality education.These are not rational discussions. They are barrage of emotional discharges. Is that the sort of thing you mentioned as a good discussion?
I outed you? How did I do that? I don’t know who you are. The only information I use is information you have offered on this website (which may or may not be true) and presumably you are okay with that as you offered it yourself.
It is hard to take sometimes and sometimes I let it push me into saying things in a more unpleasant way than is needed.
That said, I can disagree vehemently with some folks like you and still know how lucky I am that you exist in my community. I don’t think I’ll ever come to a time when our disagreements are more than the pile of things we do agree with–including how much both of us love this place.
Have you ever acknowledged being wrong? Changed your public position?
Wrong, yes, almost every week, sometimes more than once a day. Changed my position? Yes, more rarely.
Have you?
I can’t decide if your propensity for attempting to reason with rude assholes is admirable or delusional – have your attempts at reason ever been reciprocated?
Farce (though I don’t think asshole is accurate–though rude…yes. Hot spoken, yes) and I and a few others have forged funny little relationships.
I’ve grown very fond of a few of the grumpy ones and lot of the sweet folks who just disagree with me.
ThatguyinArcata and I have had some fierce interactions and yet I have a lot of admiration that even when we were in disagreement and my website kept him on moderation even though I didn’t put him there, he just pleasantly accepted that I was doing the best I could.
POM and The Real Guest and I can have some hot interactions but they are supportive and sweet in their own ways.
Art defends his position fiercely yet when he thinks he’s wrong, he apologizes in his own way
And…clearing my throat…you and I have a few sharp words with each other…not that long ago in fact.
People are more than their worst days and their hottest words.
Umm maybe you should go check X and see all the the left wing women who are now posting videos about literally poisoning and killing any man who voted for Trump. Your side is consistent in its wish for the death for us.
Jesus Christ, Giant Squirrel on this very website advocated imprisoning trans people (Several people I hold dear are trans). I didn’t see you disavow his words.
Folks on both sides make terrible statements. That doesn’t mean I hold you responsible for GS’s comments nor should you hold me responsible for folks wanting Trump to die.
You’ll notice no one was allowed to advocate for his death on my site and, yes, I think he has fascist tendencies and I am very worried about the future of this country with him at the helm. But on my site, no one can advocate for violence against him.
And no one is advocating for “poisoning and killing any man who voted for Trump” on my site either.
Hold me responsible for stuff I get wrong. Stop holding me responsible for the ugliness of other people who votee against Trump like I did.
I’ll hold you responsible for the stuff you get wrong and not assume that you are responsible for beating police officers on J6.
Once the votes from 2020 are investigated, and when it comes out hat the 2020 election was actually stolen, will you admit that it was right and justified for patriots to be angry about a stolen election? And will you apologize? The big difference is the right takes things out on the government, as most people do in countries around the world when they feel wronged by the government, the thing that is unique to the Left in America is that they attack and wish death on their fellow citizens.
Reality check:
The 2020 election was not stolen!
Trump LOST!
There is not ONE SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE to support your delusional claims.
Trump, who tried to steal the election, was the LOSER in over 60 lawsuits trying to overturn the election results – many of the lawsuits were heard by judges he appointed and they were rejected – including by the ultra conservative Supreme Court.
The rest of your comments are equally delusional and patently false – you really have your head in a dark place to not see the hateful, violent rhetoric coming from the fringe right – the only silver lining to Trump winning is that our nation has avoided the extreme ugliness and very real potential for violence that would have been unleashed if Trump had lost.
Harris was a weak candidate chosen by Biden to be his running mate for purely political reasons – in the end her only real qualification was that she wasn’t Trump – and that wasn’t enough for enough people – but quit pretending that she, and Democrats in general, weren’t constantly targeted by vile, hateful rhetoric.
That’s all bullshit.
They’ve been denying the last election for 4 years, and denying justice for the insurrection and illegal slate, nevermind the documents case.
It’s all bullshit what you said.
Every. Single. Word.
I had a bunch of DEM friends send me funny memes about “shooting better next time” and such right after the PA assassination attempt. They think they are better morally and good people and Trump is full of hate, racist, etc. It’s really really weird how people can believe their own goodness as they support assassination…and not just a few people but many! Anyways they send me this stuff because they think I’m deep on their team …it’s like an actual racist saying racist crap in front of you just because you shaved your head.
Yeah I saw a lot of that stuff, I had dem friends saying that sort of stuff to me just to rile me up. It was awful. I would be horrified if anybody ever attempted that on President Biden’s life or Kamala’s. I was horrified when it became clear of the elder abuse that Joe Biden had gone through. Anytime any of my republican friends bad mouthed ol’ Joe I would get really upset because I understood that he was not a man in charge of his faculties and any family that could do to him what Jill and Hunter did were awful people and truly didn’t love him as they should. I don’t want people being hurt, I don’t want people being killed, unfortunately it has become increasingly clear to me that there is a huge amount of people on the left who think people should be hurt and killed if we don’t agree. That is what I want to extinguish from this country, those sentiments of violence and death just because people have a different opinion. It doesn’t matter how we got here, it just matters that we get away from this place, fast. People forget that this is actually a unity government with not just President Trump, but RFK Jr, Elon Musk, and many other people who truly are democrats, but the party just left them behind. The Kennedy family is the gold standard for the democrat party, if the dems lost RFK Jr, then the dems are no longer democrats, they have become something else.
My Republican friends teach their children hate and ignorance.
It goes both ways with my Democrat friends teaching their kids that Republicans are garbage and Nazis.
Good.
Though some are just following a cult through massive misinformation efforts.
And there are good people wrapped up in that too. However the incredibly poor choices will likely be followed by more incredibly poor choices, so ignorant too should be on that list.
It’s the rise of the idea that the ends justify the means that has permiated the US. As long as Good (with a capital G)can be claimed as the desired end, all the evil done along the way is turned into virtue. I long for the days when at least a nod was given to principle even if I was never so naive as to think politics was ever controlled by it. At least people used to be embarrassed by such moral failings. And not a few believed in them. Now there are no checks on behavior except whatever is fashionable at the moment.
However I’m aware that has been a hand wrings cry throughout history and, while it might not be we are at a civil war level of conflict, it can always get worse. Scary.
Which is wrong, the means must always be civil, and morals must not be sacrificed. Which is why it’s essential that people be shamed for moral failings and justice must always be served on the guilty.
When pity is felt for the guilty instead of serving justice, justice is instead served on the innocent.
Ha, Ha! If you really believe what you say where is your condemnation of Trump who consistently attacks anyone who stands in his way by mocking, belittling and demeaning them (or worse)?
Or, is it part of your delusion that you think Trump has always been a model of civility, always appealing to our better selves?
President Trump has said some stupid shit, but with all the dem candidates calling half the country bitter clingers, deplorable, etc., it was nice to see someone finally bash back.
Maybe I should be more clear in my sentiment:
When one acts on pity against justice, it is the good whom one punishes for the sake of evil; when one saves the guilty from suffering, it is the innocent whom one forces to suffer.
Your vituperative delusional comments are the best proof that you’re the type of person the comments you find objectionable were meant for.
Nothing personal or unkind there…
unfortunately most of these fall on deaf ears.
Who is Paul Manafort & Mike Flynn?
Nooo, sorry…
That’ will leave you in the red, and in third place, but it’s early in the round….
THC, it’s your selection…
This Iranian Assassination attempt that’s all over my feed? https://www.google.com/search?q=iranian+assassination+plot&oq=iranian+assassination+plot&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyEggAEEUYORiDARixAxjHAxiABNIBCDk4NzlqMGo3qAIIsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
“We are governed on a pendulum concept, It swings both ways through time.”
In the real world, I’ve never seen a pendulum that swings to the right, stops in the center, and swings further to the right, over and over….
Just had a scummy nurse brag she voted 3 times. Hope she gets fined 20 grand and gets labeled a criminal. People are so wounded, thats why we all need to smoke more weed and drink more good beers and conjure up more demons.
If you really had someone brag they voted more than once, you should report them. Start with calling law enforcement and see what steps they recommend you take.