Community Members ‘Stand for Life’ at Annual Courthouse Gathering

rally goer's pose with signs in front of courthouse

2024 Stand for Life rally

Despite the challenging weather, on January 21, close to 100 local community members, gathered at the courthouse for the annual Stand for Life rally. Cindy Broese Van Groenou, executive Director of the Pregnancy Care Center and J. Rophe Medical Clinic, shared her thoughts on the event and its significance in an email to our news outlet.

Van Groenou emphasized the primary goal of the Stand for Life rally is to showcase to the community that there are individuals who deeply value all human life, from conception to natural death. As a Christian, she believes in the intrinsic value of every life, irrespective of the circumstances surrounding it.
In her communication, Van Groenou noted the absence of media coverage at the event though we at least weren’t notified it was occurring and shared insights into the diverse group of attendees who unite in their belief in the importance of providing women with information to make informed choices about their pregnancies. She underscored her advocacy for the sanctity of life while acknowledging and respecting a woman’s right to choose.
“At J. Rophe Medical, where I’m involved, we’ve conducted over 6000 ultrasounds since our establishment 12 years ago. These ultrasounds, offered to women of all perspectives, reveal the reality of early pregnancies,” explained Van Groenou. “At just 6 weeks gestation, 4 weeks after conception, we can see and measure a beating heart. We’ve witnessed hearts melt and women fall in love.”
While the medical facility does not provide abortion services or referrals, Van Groenou emphasized their commitment to offering accurate information about procedures and risks. She clarified, “We keep our door open should that be their choice, and they want to talk about it afterward. I’ve been there.”
Van Groenou highlighted the importance of presenting adoption as a viable option for unintended pregnancies. “There are a lot of great families who desire to grow through adoption,” she said, noting that though they “rarely see women choose adoption… for their unintended pregnancies”, adoption of babies at birth remains a choice presented by J. Rophe Medical.
For those who choose to continue their pregnancies, the Pregnancy Care Center, celebrating its 30th year, provides resources and education to help women prepare. Van Groenou emphasized the positive impact of their services, stating, “The women we serve at both locations love us! They are treated with respect and kindness.”
The Stand for Life rally, says Van Groenou, serves as a yearly reminder of the diverse perspectives within the community regarding reproductive choices.  She says the event continues to be a platform for open dialogue and understanding among community members with differing viewpoints on the issue.
For more information on the services offered by The Pregnancy Center and J Rophe Medical, visit their website at http://www.pcceureka.org/.
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Rickpaul
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Rickpaul
30 days ago

Not even newsworthy

Mr. Smith
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Mr. Smith
30 days ago

What an amazing and genuine thing to bring forth in what humanity means. If you’ve never had children in your life, you may not understand what a baby means let alone the aspects of growing up. Children are precious.

This *is* newsworthy and thank you for reporting it…

D'Tucker Jebs
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30 days ago
Reply to  Mr. Smith

People are still allowed to have children.
No one is interfering with a woman’s right to do that.
People are, however, concerned with attempts to limit a woman’s right to choose whether or not she wants to do that.

old guy
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old guy
30 days ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

and who pays for it ? that’s an issue.

North westCertain license plate out of thousands c
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North westCertain license plate out of thousands c
29 days ago
Reply to  old guy

Pay for the abortion or pay years of welfare? Pay for what?

Stillwantstoknow
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Stillwantstoknow
29 days ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

A woman can still “choose”…to use birth control….to abstain…to put up for adoption….to value life.

Tim
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Tim
30 days ago

Someone should poll the folks holding the “adoption” signs for how many of them have actually adopted a kid.

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
30 days ago
Reply to  Tim

What does your poll have to do with anything? I would take adoption as another option versus termination. Can you answer why District Attorneys charge a person with double murder if they kill a pregnant lady when pro abortioners claim it’s not a baby until it is born? It’s a conundrum, isn’t it. Hmmmmm.

Tim
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Tim
30 days ago
Reply to  Al L Ivesmatr

The point was folks on the anti-abortion side frequently use adoption as the solution without being willing to do any of the adopting. Kind of a “do as I say, not as I do” thing.

Kym Kemp
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30 days ago
Reply to  Tim

I am pro choice but I think it is fair to point out that there isn’t a scarcity of folks willing to adopt babies. There is a wait time once parents sign up. The problem is more that often, though certainly not always, the folks that are anti-abortion are also anti more assistance for single mothers with children, young families, preschools, subsidies in general for the poor, etc.

Tim
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30 days ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

There are some 47,000 kids in the California foster care system and only about 6,000 adoptions last year. It might be that there’s a mismatch between kids available for adoption and the expectations of adoptive parents.

But yes, your point about resources for mothers and kids is well taken. It’s a bit disingenuous to proclaim you are “pro-life” until that life actually exists and then suddenly lose interest in it.

I am a robot
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I am a robot
29 days ago
Reply to  Tim

The system for foster children has a mandate to return those children to their natural parents. They are not “available” for adoption until the parental rights are terminated, a lengthy process.

Humboldt
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Humboldt
30 days ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

The real problem, as I’ve seen it, is when people want to tell others, or dictate to others, what they must do.

If someone wants to carry a fetus to birth, that is their option.

But telling others that they MUST or SHOULD do and think and feel the same way is dictatorial.

Sadly, we have, for too long, put decisions in the hands of men in pulpits, or in silk robes, in a gilded Vatican, and have accepted their control after having been manipulated by guilt. “Fear” of god. Abominable.

We must be diligent and stay aware of this kind of top down thinking, especially as we enter the next twenty years.

Pluto, having now moved into Aquarius, will lend to more and more top down edicts.

Apparently, in Florida, there is a proposal to limit teenagers access to public media, thus knowledge.

This may be the beginning of such Big Brother moves.

It is antithetical to the very fabric of what the Emerald Triangle embodies.

And yes, you are right. The same people who advocate keeping a fetus, regardless, are often the ones who would deny socialized economics.

The Republicans, long ago, since the Anita Bryant era, have been in bed with, and used, religious fundamentalists for their gains.

Their bond is disingenuous.

Those in power, holding the 99% purse strings, care little about the aims of the religious right.

They are simply using them for votes and campaign contributions and free publicity.

BudD
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Bud
30 days ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

It isn’t that people are opposed to helping the poor, the issue is that ‘assistance’ creates poor. The data is very clear that since the widespread implementation of welfare, it has not ‘lifted people up by their bootstraps,’ it has held people down. Single motherhood is the best predictor of a life of failure, and single motherhood has skyrocketed since the mid 1960’s despite the availability on contraceptives. So although assistance to the poor is necessary, it needs to implemented in such a ways as to actually assist, not as a reward for bad behaviour. And to the usual chorus of trolls, I was raised by a single mother and at times received various forms of assistance…

Lost Croat OutburstD
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Lost Croat Outburst
29 days ago
Reply to  Bud

OK, thank you for the honest description and personal revelations about your childhood. So, if your family unit received much needed public assistance, what is the source of your vitriol and bitterness in general? Obviously, I find your politics appalling, but I fail to see how public assistance when you were hungry or sick was formative to your Trumpista views. Enlighten me.

BudD
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Bud
29 days ago

“what is the source of your vitriol and bitterness in general?”

I am not bitter, my life is awesome, and I thank God for my good fortune every day. As for the ‘vitriol’ not sure what to tell you, if something sucks I am going to say it sucks.

But back to the welfare; social problems are easy to recognise, but very difficult to remedy. The failure of the welfare state is in recognising a problem, then throwing money at it, and making it worse. By all measures welfare has been a dismal failure. It has made more poor people than it has helped.

When I was growing up (late 60’s and 70’s), we lived in a rural area that was a mix of middle class farmers and mill workers, and people on welfare. There was a distinct class divide between people on welfare, and everyone else. My family didn’t have much money, probably the same or possibly even less than people on welfare, but we were not ‘poor’ because we were not in the welfare class. We owned a house, such as it was, and mowed our grass and took our trash to the dump etc and conducted ourselves as if we were middle class. I don’t think we were ever on actual welfare (not sure), but qualified for free school lunches, and financial aid after high school and things like that. We also had a cow and chickens and a big garden and some fruit trees and got by without much money. There were welfare kids that I grew up with that I never talked to. Not that I was a snob, they had no interest in talking to me either, there was that much of a cultural divide. And everyone knew that these kids were never going to finish school, were never going to get a job, and were just killing time until they could collect welfare and spend their days drinking and smoking in a filthy little shack somewhere just like their parents. The girls across the street that I did know all smoked and had babies between 18 years old and 13 years old and dropped out of school, and it was a celebration every time because with each new baby, more welfare. They were nice enough people, but they never had a chance in life. So I would say my personal experience was to see the positive benefits of helping someone out a little when they were in a difficult situation, and destroying someones future by paying them more money for bad decisions than they could have made (in the short term) for making good decisions. Today it seems the stigma is gone and welfare is considered a viable career choice by a whole lot of people, who pull up to McDonalds in their Escalade and pay with their welfare card.

So back to my vitriol, I see progressivism/socialism as morally reprehensible, and socially destructive. I understand that many people feel taking from the wealthy and giving it to the poor is helping the poor. But handouts is not what the poor need, they need opportunity. Taxes and regulations that make everything more expensive are devastating to the working poor. Rich people can afford electric cars and expensive wind turbine power, and high taxes on everything and free range eggs and grass fed organic this and that. But forcing shit like that on people who can’t afford it is criminal. Poor people need jobs, they need opportunities to better themselves, they need affordable housing, and they need functional schools, they need a future. The leftists in California have been doing exactly the opposite for decades and taken every opportunity away and replaced it with “redistribution”…

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Actually
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29 days ago
Reply to  Bud

If you hate socialism I’m all ears on your opinion of public libraries and such.

BudD
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Bud
29 days ago
Reply to  Actually

Prior to the whole concept of socialism, there were schools and libraries and bridges and public parks etc. If a community wanted something, they got together and made it happen. Like churches. There are no socialist churches (unless you count climate worship as a religion), yet there are churches everywhere. You don’t NEED the government for community projects.

Having the government tax the crap out of everything, and over-regulate everything to the point that you have to spend millions of dollars in ‘planning’ to do every simple thing (socialism) makes it infinitely more difficult than it should be. Certainly there was a time when socialised projects like a transcontinental railroad, or the Panama Canal would never have happened without the government doing it, but currently do we really need to be funding the postal service that loses money every year? Do we really need public schools that are more expensive and inferior to private schools? Do we really need NASA to launch satellites? Do we really need public libraries? Because all those things would be better and cheaper if the government wasn’t involved, and everyone would have more of their own hard earned money in their pockets.

The problem with socialism (besides being immoral) is that in practice it prioritises government over results. Listen to leftist’s talk, and the priority is supporting/funding the government. The fact that the Department of Education has accomplished absolutely nothing since its inception is irrelevant, they say it still needs to be funded, and in fact needs more funding every year because it keeps getting bigger…

Actually
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29 days ago
Reply to  Bud

What bad behavior are you worried about? I know plenty of single moms who are great people providing a great life for their kids.

The problem is that there is such an excess of wealth and resources being being hoarded by a tiny percent of the population.

What’s the point of a civilized society if it does not provide its citizens assistance?

Once again this seems like the classic fuck you I got mine attitude that seems to be pretty rampant these days.

Elon musk, the guy who got his start with money from an emerald mine in south freaking Africa during apartheid is able to spend 44 billion dollars to purchase a social media site while people are struggling to provide for their families… but yeah sure just grab those bootstraps I guess…

BudD
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Bud
29 days ago
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There is a serious error in your thinking; rich people having a lot of money is not the reason poor people don’t have a lot of money. There is not a set amount of money that if a few people get it all then no one else has any. It doesn’t work that way. Wealth is infinite and can be generated by anyone. When you work at your job, you generate wealth both for yourself, and for your employer. A simple example: a tree blows down in your back yard and you cut it up for firewood. Your work generated wealth. Wealth that didn’t exist before. Even if you don’t sell it, you have say $200 worth of wood to burn over the winter. Bill Gates wealth has no influence over your wealth.

Another concept is that commerce generates wealth. Say you are a wood cutter and make your living cutting firewood. You have the tools and the resources to cut wood very efficiently because you are a wood cutting specialist. Your neighbour is a fisherman, and he has a boat and a net and is an experienced sailor and fisherman. Now, he could cut his own wood, and you could catch your own fish, but if you trade him wood for fish, he does not have to take time off of what he specialises in (fishing), and you do not have to take time away wood cutting, so you both greatly benefit from the exchange. That is a concept that people often do not understand, trading benefits both parties. When you go to the store for milk, you benefit (you don’t have to keep a cow) and the store benefits. Similarly, when you buy a car from Elon Musk, it is mutually beneficial. otherwise one of you wouldn’t do it…

D'Tucker Jebs
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30 days ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Adoption can also be prohibitively expensive.
Overall, average California adoption costs typically range anywhere from $40,000 to $70,000 for domestic infant adoption.” https://www.americanadoptionsofcalifornia.com/adopt/cost-of-adoption-in-california#:~:text
It should be free.

Tim
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30 days ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

I think cost for public adoption in California through the foster-care system is limited to $500. It’s the private agencies doing domestic infant adoption that are costly.

Thanks for proving our point!D
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Thanks for proving our point!
29 days ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Thanks, Kym, for fully understanding the issue at hand….and being bold enough to say it

Alf
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Alf
29 days ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I am pro life and pro help for single parents. However, I am not pro helping the lazy. I’m not pro helping drug addicts that don’t want to get clean. Anyone who desires help should have access to it with the condition they participate in work of some kind. Unfortunately pro choice generally has no accountability, like social responsibility. If someone is too lazy to get birth control, condoms, etc I have no reason to believe by providing free abortion they will become responsible. If you gamble and lose at a casino you don’t get your money back and you don’t get to kill the casino owners. If you gamble with sex and become pregnant, too damn bad. You shouldn’t get a redo and kill the life you created, especially at taxpayer experience. It’s absolutely not my problem or anyone else’s problem. I can’t make your irresponsible decisions for you, so don’t even ask for me to bail you out financially or pay for your choice of murder.

BudD
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Bud
29 days ago
Reply to  Alf

But if people are responsible for themselves there would be no need for progressives/socialists/communists…

D'Tucker Jebs
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29 days ago
Reply to  Bud

And then there’s the real world.
Besides, your fantasy world isn’t even feasible.
Since you’re commenting on economics, one would assume you’re familiar with the Phillips Curve, right?

Gosh
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Gosh
29 days ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Can we talk about the Tytler Cycle, too?

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Lost Croat OutburstD
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Lost Croat Outburst
29 days ago
Reply to  Bud

As Lincoln said ( I think I am close to a direct quote): Government allows us to do together that which we cannot do alone. It’s an absolute, utter fantasy to assume a modern civilization can be built without public roads, police, firefighting, military, economic rules, courts, etc. which result from taxes on the populace. Fairness in taxation is extremely important.
you don’t need a public road since you are responsible only for yourself. Never call the police when the Capitol is attacked by Trump terrorists and vandals.
you live in an impossible, fantasy world and would take us all there if you could. There is no “there” there.

BudD
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Bud
29 days ago

You are confusing personal responsibility with public works…

Actually
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Actually
29 days ago
Reply to  Bud

Your cognitive dissonance is amazing. I would love to hear your definition of public works? Right now it feels like my responsibility to provide a public service by pointing out just how dangerous for our fellow human beings your line of thinking is.

Actually
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Actually
29 days ago
Reply to  Alf

What if the woman did not want to become pregnant but finds herself in a position where she is through whatever fucked off scenario occurs?

Birth control for woman affects your hormones. I have watched people go full on crazy taking birth control, it’s a gamble. Condoms can and have been pierced by both sexes going for a power play.

Yes we should all live on a leave it to beaver reality but we don’t never have never will.

It bears repeating that the same people who are pro sharia law regarding woman are the same people that complain about helping poor people…

It’s almost as if woman are still not viewed as human beings…

Lost Croat OutburstD
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Lost Croat Outburst
29 days ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Yes, exactly. It’s not “pro-life” if you demand that every zygote is carried to term regardless of the mental or economic state of the mother, or viability of the fetus, then deny financial or medical subsidies for the parents and child. “Pro-birth” fits that attitude. Just have the baby, God will provide. Pro-choice covers everything.

Stillwantstoknow
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Stillwantstoknow
29 days ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Birth control is FREE.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
30 days ago
Reply to  Tim

Why isn’t it the point, Tim, that the folks on the abortion side, frequently use abortion as the solution, without being willing to do any of the aborting…???

Isn’t that, also, kind of a, “do as I say, not as I do”, thing…???

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30 days ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Abortion, adoption, are both terrible sad choices for EVERY mother faced with them.
The anti choice crowd chooses to ignore this.
Nobody is encouraging abortion, nobody celebrates it. You don’t have to get an abortion just because it is an available option. If you are worried your own family members might get an abortion if faced with an unplanned pregnancy, then you might want to talk to them about how babies are made, contraceptives, and ask them why they would consider an abortion.

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29 days ago
Reply to  Bud

I haven’t looked at all your links yet, but I’m sure there is some cringe worthy material out there! Probably some form of activists, who may not necessarily be doing a service to their cause.
It’s hard to argue that for most women faced with an unplanned pregnancy at a hard time in their life, choosing an abortion, or adoption, or raising them, hell or high water, is an extremely difficult choice.

BudD
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Bud
29 days ago

Agreed…

Actually
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Actually
29 days ago
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The internet was a mistake. Seek help.

BudD
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Bud
29 days ago
Reply to  Actually

Grace? Is that you?

Tim
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Tim
30 days ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

There is no abortion side, there’s a choice side. The goal should be to reduce the need for abortions by providing access to the appropriate health information and care prior to pregnancy including easy access to contraception and the “morning after” pill as well as adequate sex education to kids to prevent pregnancies.

Since I’m not medically qualified to provide OB-GYN services, I support choice with money.

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I am a robot
29 days ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

There is no forced abortion in the US. Nobody “wants” to get pregnant so they can have an abortion. Most people who do have abortions are already mothers. Unless you are someone who can get pregnant, your opinion is irrelevant

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
30 days ago
Reply to  Al L Ivesmatr

Clearly a hypocritcal legal double standard …

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Gail Moore
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30 days ago
Reply to  Tim

As a former foster mother of many babies, I have only seen one person with your point of view. She adopted many, many children and moved out of state to be able to adopt more. I have adopted a multiple special needs child, not only because I loved him more that words can say, but because I was concerned that someone else may not be willing or able to commit to providing for all of those special needs. I have noticed that people who are against abortion are rarely people who adopt these babies.

Tim
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Tim
30 days ago
Reply to  Gail Moore

I wish there were more folks like you and the person you mentioned out there instead of folks who say adoption is the answer but won’t consider doing it themselves.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
30 days ago
Reply to  Tim

So, do you wish there were more folks like you… …who say abortion is the answer but won’t consider doing it themselves…???

Ever consider truly and literally becoming a practicing abortion “doctor”, (a real pro abortionist), instead of just being an arm chair “pro abortionist” in name only…???

(I wonder if that would change your mind…???)

In other words,

“Easier said, than done”…

And/Or…

“Talk is cheap”…

Tim
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Tim
30 days ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

You distort my views — I’m not pro-abortion, I’m pro-choice. You’re also making a disingenuous argument about becoming an OB-GYN in order to support that choice.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
30 days ago
Reply to  Tim

Skip the “like you” portion, then. I almost left it out…

It’s not disingenuous.

If one is pro choice, or pro abortion, one is really not all that dedicated to it, unless they are actually practicing what they are preaching.

I actually raised my kids, for a pro life comparison…

This discussion reminds me of the old joke…

What happens to all the wannabe doctors in medical school that don’t make the grade…???

They pith them, and then they become OB/ GYN’s…

Sad, but there seems to be a lot of truth to it…

Actually
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29 days ago
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That’s the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard. Like lol holy shit have you heard of logical thinking?

I’m pro public libraries but do I now have to prove my dedication in order to utilize the service?

Sometimes I have medical emergencies, do I need to go to medical school in order to use the emergency room? If I was a woman most likely in your weird little world.

Your dumb joke about obgyn professionals says it all. That is a disturbing take on woman’s health to put it mildly.

Also it’s funny how there’s no talk about birth control or responsibility on the dudes side of things…

Lost Croat OutburstD
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Lost Croat Outburst
29 days ago
Reply to  Tim

OK, your comment was unclear for someone who is pro-choice. What difference does it make if I choose not to be a physician? I don’t get it.

Lost Croat OutburstD
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Lost Croat Outburst
29 days ago
Reply to  Tim

Wow, that’s a real stretch. Pretty desperate. I support brain surgery but don’t qualify to do it. I support EMTs and Drs. And nurses in emergency rooms who take in terribly injured accident victims, but don’t have the fortitude and skills to do it.
keep reaching, keep stretching.

c u 2morrowD
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30 days ago
Reply to  Tim

you might be surprised. Some holding signs, might have even been adopted

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
30 days ago
Reply to  c u 2morrow

Not so surprising that none of them were aborted…

Nor that they might also be somewhat grateful for that fact…

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
30 days ago
Reply to  Tim

Should someone also poll the folks holding the “abortion” signs, Tim, for how many of them have actually performed an abortion…???

Tim
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Tim
30 days ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

It might be more interesting to poll how many of the anti-abortion women have or will seek out an abortion when they want one.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
30 days ago
Reply to  Tim

It might be most interesting to poll how many of the anti abortion women feel that way now PRECISELY BECAUSE they ALREADY HAVE HAD an abortion…

Tim
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Tim
30 days ago
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So let’s see that data set and compare, I’d be interested.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
30 days ago
Reply to  Tim

Go for it…

Lost Croat OutburstD
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Lost Croat Outburst
29 days ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Yeah, they HAD their abortion. How very cool and convenient.

Lost Croat OutburstD
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Lost Croat Outburst
29 days ago
Reply to  Tim

Planned Parenthood has quite a record of anti-abortion women who show up grim-faced at a clinic determined to get just this one abortion ‘cause nobody understands how horny they were and how they weren’t DEALING with it and how dreamy the dude was and the beach at night and stuff. Just this once and back to church. Of course, their identities are sacrosanct and never revealed. Just like always.

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30 days ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

Most women reject unfertilized eggs about twelve times a year, for a good chunk of their lives.
I have never performed an abortion, or cataract surgery. Both would be rather unpleasant.
I HAVE picked up pieces of skull after a young man put a gun in his mouth on his 18th birthday. I’ve seen a young mother killed in a terrible car accident. The kid left with an abusive father, who only a few years later committed suicide.
Life is rough. Perhaps in some cases abortion spares a blessed soul.

The Real Guest
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The Real Guest
30 days ago

Perhaps in some cases abortion destroys someone that might have made all the difference in the World…

What I am saying is, perhaps a theoretical
or hypothetical requirement of being present at an actual abortion, not one’s own, might be the best kind of optional, real education for youth about the potential consequences of an unwanted pregnancy.

You never know, it might be a quite effective, much preferable, form of low risk prevention…

And/or persuasive for the use of other kinds of prevention.

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Actually
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29 days ago
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What if hitler was aborted though? Your arguments are weak and are showing your true allegiance to a theocratic system that treats woman as property.

What if Ted Bundy was aborted?

Abortions are a difficult decision and extremely traumatic. Not something that anyone wants to go through. This fantasy of “oh she was horny and now wants to shed responsibility” is weird and disgusting. What about the dude? Why is he not on birth control or neutered if he’s out there having sex?

All of this being said I have seen people have abortions and no one actually wanted to do it they felt like they would not be able to provide a good life for the child due to the unfortunate society we live in. This fantasy of poor woman sleeping around and gleefully having abortions left and right like it’s all a part because “woohoo welfare!” Says a LOT about the people who tout that rhetoric. Not a good look.

BudD
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Bud
29 days ago
Reply to  Actually

What you are suggesting, cleaning up the gene pool by killing off people with undesirable traits, is in fact something Hitler actually did…

Actually
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28 days ago
Reply to  Bud

That is not at all I am advocating. I was merely pointing out a logical fallacy.

I am a robot
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I am a robot
29 days ago
Reply to  The Real Guest

In America most women abort themselves, the beauty of medication abortion.
The CDC says there were 620,327 abortions nationally in 2020, more than 80% medication abortions. So those are some pretty good numbers for you.

SMR
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29 days ago
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I know one family in the picture and they have adopted their three girls. So your assumption is incorrect.

tru matters
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tru matters
30 days ago

I have respect for this woman just on the fact she made this statement:
“She underscored her advocacy for the sanctity of life while acknowledging and respecting a woman’s right to choose.”

I am a robot
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I am a robot
30 days ago

Where do they stand on the death penalty?

c u 2morrowD
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30 days ago
Reply to  I am a robot

good topic but not relevant to this story

D'Tucker Jebs
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29 days ago
Reply to  c u 2morrow

I’m curious too.
I’ve noticed that many of the same people who claim to care so much about the “sanctity of life” when it’s just a clump of cells, then seem to care so little about actual living, breathing people.

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I am a robot
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29 days ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

SCOTUS conservatives come to mind

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Alf
29 days ago
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I am pro death penalty. I call it abortion of someone who committed terrible crimes. Unfortunately, ” pro choice” advocates prefer to murder the innocent and let the criminals out on the streets to commit more crimes.

EAGLE 20
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EAGLE 20
29 days ago

I’m curious how the pro choice people feel about the issue of suicide. Do they support an individuals right to choose? Oh wait, there is no specific right to choose suicide.
Why is suicide illegal? Given the chance how many unborn would choose abortion over life?

D'Tucker Jebs
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29 days ago
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Suicide is not illegal in the United States.
However, every effort should be made to assist a person feeling suicidal thoughts.
The Country recenty established the 988 suicide prevention hotline.
Suicide is a permanent “solution” to a temporary problem,
and one that causes untold suffering to the loved ones of the suicide victim.
Medical euthanasia for painful and incurable conditions is another topic.

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I am a robot
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I am a robot
29 days ago
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some states have attempted suicide listed as a crime in their criminal statutes. On the other hand, assisted suicide (when someone helps another to commit suicide) is a crime in all U.S. states, with physician-assisted suicide being an exception to this rule in some states.
Suicide for some is a perfect answer to an intolerable situation. My brother was a suicide and I am very comfortable that his choice was reasoned and appropriate.

Zipline
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Zipline
29 days ago

Well that’s a poster for retroactive abortion if ever I saw one….

Thanks for proving our point!D
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Thanks for proving our point!
29 days ago

Also….
F*#+ pregnancy scare centers and j rophe! Google these jackwagons. I dare you.
These are the same jw asshats that preach women’s subservience and lack of formal education. They also tried to set up shop across from Arcata high.
Jw and its followers are cult members. Period.
And… I encountered them personally while having an accidental pregnancy ( I was between jobs and insurance) and needed baby clothes and/ or diapers, everything really, as I was in a forced birth scenario with an abusive partner. My life was threatened by my partner if I were to have an abortion.
The illiterate women I encountered offered nothing more than a free pregnancy test( value $10) Their “ ultrasound tech” wasn’t available. Duh, they don’t have anyone like that involved in their operation. They forced me to watch a series of graphic abortion videos in order to receive baby clothes- which were dirty, stained, full of holes and not appropriate for a newborn human. No counseling or domestic violence services offered. So, thanks for the trauma jw’s… and thanks for revealing who you really are. Pro life definitely means you don’t gaf about fully formed humans, their wellbeing, or their ability to survive a life threatening pregnancy. They’ll shit on you for being a single unwed mother, being bipoc, or just not in their cult. Oh… and a bunch of them locally are child molesters. Do the research and THEN decide whether you support the awful humans involved in this movement

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guest__
29 days ago

Has anybody who supports the abortion/killing of a baby, ever watched the ultrasound movie called “The Silent Scream”? Here is the shortened 1.12 min version, or if you think this version is some sort of propaganda, there is also a 28 min version available. Just a clump of cells, is what I hear a lot. Well, give this a click and kindly get back to me.
https://youtu.be/Iy5IUTNqHrs?si=_rOJ7s6rgbxuneP-

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Sandy Beaches
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Sandy Beaches
29 days ago

Staying away from the yes or no arguments of abortion, I would like to offer a perspective from my experience of teaching special education. With the tests available to detect various conditions before a child is born some people choose to terminate a pregnancy in search of the normal or perfect child. I’ve worked with and know children born with Downs Syndrome, spinal bifida , brittle bone disease and other conditions . These children grow up and live meaningful, productive lives with loving families and friends. Consideration to what is real as opposed to what is ideal should be given to these lives. Love is very important in these decisions.

Kicking Bull
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Kicking Bull
29 days ago

To paraphrase the Holy Bible:
Mind your own mf mind. (It being a book about human psychology and all..)

The housing of the poor and feeding the sick oughta be booted by the ten American born men that could buy the entire country five times over. None of whom any pay tax btw. That’s Tzedakah.

After all these are the men who insist I use straws that compost mid drink so they can jet from climate conference to population summit..

My insight and involvement in five or more abortions assure me food and shelter insecurity was the soul concern, not my humanity but the perverted communal lack of the value thereof.

Also, Aborted souls find new bodies.

I’ll paraphrase some more: Ignore the preachers; avoid the church. I’ll quote:
“The Temple was built without hands.”

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