To Curve or Not to Curve: Caltrans and EPIC Continue the Fight Over Richardson Grove

Richardson Grove

Richardson Grove [Photo from Caltrans]

The struggle over a proposal to loosen up the curves on a mile of Highway 101 through a beloved grove of old-growth redwoods continues. The California Department of Transportation, or Caltrans, wants to change the curvature of the road in Richardson Grove to allow legal access for industry standard-sized trucks coming from the south.

The first public meeting about the subject took place in 2007. EPIC, the Environmental Protection Information Center, objected at the time, and continues to oppose the project out of concern that redwoods could be damaged by road construction activities, including severing roots and paving over them. The project was halted again in 2010, 2013, and 2017, due to environmental concerns. Caltrans approved the project again last month, though the agency will have to ask the Humboldt County Superior Court to lift an injunction in order to proceed. The estimated cost for the project in 2017 was $20.7 million.

An industry standard-sized truck, according to the Federal Surface Transportation Assistance Act, is a 25-foot truck hauling a 53-foot trailer. The road, which was built in 1915, is too narrow to allow rigs of that size to take the curves without “off-tracking,” or moving out of their lane. STAA trucks are currently not allowed on Route 101 between Benbow and Leggett, which Caltrans estimates adds three hours to the trip for trucks traveling from the Bay Area.

“We’re fighting over the subjective idea of, what is a significant impact,” said Tom Wheeler, the Executive Director of EPIC. He thinks Caltrans is too certain that altering the road is the only solution, and would like to see consideration for one-way traffic control signals or escorts through the grove.

Both sides are deeply skeptical of the other’s scientific interpretation of what constitutes damage to redwood trees alongside roads. Save the Redwoods League funded a study led by Cody Dangerfield of Utah State University, which was performed at Humboldt Redwoods State Park. The study found that, “Tree-ring growth data indicated that the construction of Highway 101 disproportionately impacted the growth of trees that were within 30 miles of the highway and that these effects were particularly elevated in trees that currently exhibit crown dieback.” Climate modeling indicated that trees near the highway also experienced “elevated water stress for several decades following the construction of the highway.”

Caltrans was unimpressed. In its responses to comments on the addendum to the Final Environmental Impact Report for the Richardson Grove project, the agency said the tree-rings that were analyzed in the Dangerfield study at Pepperwood were nine miles away from the section of 101 that was being built in Dyerville at the time. Construction on the highway next to the study trees would start five years later.

Wheeler said Caltrans data on road impacts to redwoods consists of “arborists looking into the canopy and saying everything looked fine;” but that it can take years for redwood canopies to show damage from stress to their roots. And he worries that if the trees alongside the road start to show signs of ill health, Caltrans will use emergency authority to cut them down. The current proposal calls for the removal of 38 trees, including two small redwood trees, which are 4-8 inches in diameter at breast height. Caltrans literature asserts that, “No old-growth specimens of any species would be removed;” and that protective measures on the project would include using handheld tools instead of heavy machinery to excavate around tree roots.

Caltrans also said the proposed work in Richardson Grove is not comparable to the construction of 24 miles of 101 through the Dyerville area during the 1950s and 1960s, noting that, “These monumental, historic projects cut into steep hillsides, redirected drainages, and rerouted segments of the South Fork Eel River. In contrast, the Richardson Grove Operational Improvement Project would make only slight adjustments to the existing two-lane highway.”

Wheeler isn’t convinced. He says there’s not enough data to prove that road-building doesn’t harm redwood trees, and that, “Caltrans doesn’t seem to care about that risk.” He plans to file paperwork with the Humboldt County Superior Court in Eureka next week, asking the court not to lift the injunction that would allow work on the project to begin. “We’d like to pack the courthouse,” he said.

Please note that the grandfather, father, and husband of the publisher of this website worked for Caltrans. Note also that writer has no ties to Caltrans.

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Iliketables
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Iliketables
1 year ago

Damage the trees, use emergency authorization to cut them down, sell them to lumber companies, profit off of them, pocket the money. Each one of those trees is worth millions of dollars. Of course they have a hard on for Richardson Grove. They can pay for the project and profit off the removal of just a few of those trees. I don’t see any of the desire or gusto to fix any roads that don’t have the built in opportunity of profiting handsomely off of old growth wood.

treeman53
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treeman53
1 year ago
Reply to  Iliketables

Their policy is to let them sit where they fall,whether by saw or nature.They do the same around Jed Smith and all the Redwood parks. sure is a waste of some good clear.

Bozo
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Bozo
1 year ago
Reply to  Iliketables

IMHO: I think the ‘salvage’ timber likely will be used to supply the State Parks with redwood for fences, walkways, repairs etc etc. (At least that’s what I’ve seen anyway.)

Redwood Dan
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Redwood Dan
1 year ago
Reply to  Iliketables

Where do we wind up when we follow the money? Who stands to profit from this? They keep saying it’s for the consumer… but when do giant companies, organizations, or governments actually do anything just to benefit the consumer these days? There is a lot of money to be made by a few groups and CalTrans is their means to an end. Just my guess.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T4p8ZexwlLw

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Redwood Dan

Of course big companies want to sell you stuff. And you want to buy it. If this is a deal made in Hell, you signed it when you got the device and internet connection you are using at this moment to complain about big business. And your vehicle and chainsaw and public pension and everything. No one would likely hear from those who did not sign the pact because they would be busy… What? Making microchips?

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago

One way traffic with an escort is the way to go. Traffic is replaceable.

HumboldtianD
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Humboldtian
1 year ago
Reply to  guest`

Unfortunately this won’t work due to traffic volumes and would adversely impact emergency services.

local
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local
1 year ago

Wheeler…go back in your hole…..industry is what keeps our towns alive. when you quit using gasoline, and wood for your fireplace, and you stop driving a modern vehicle talking on a chinese slave made cell phone ,someone might listen to you.
Until then you are a hypocrit with EPIC proportions..

hmm
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hmm
1 year ago
Reply to  local

There is nothing hypocritical about advocating for change in the system you participate in, In fact it would be impossible to change a society that you drop out of.

Industry keeps towns alive, environment keeps humans alive.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  hmm

There is if you insist that others make the sacrifices so you can live they way you want. Best to convince people to do with less than force them to do it using the law.

F. Hue
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F. Hue
1 year ago
Reply to  hmm

Towns keep people alive…

Vet
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Vet
1 year ago
Reply to  local

What industry in Humboldt requires giant trucks?

c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago
Reply to  Vet

needs, wants and desires … humans.

Iliketables
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Iliketables
1 year ago
Reply to  c u 2morrow

Human desires are like the world of the dead: there’s always room for more.

Iliketables
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Iliketables
1 year ago
Reply to  Vet

Not too sure anyone can really answer that. The vast majority of our supplies for industry come in by barge. Are people forgetting we have one of the largest deep water bays on the west coast?

DanD
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Dan
1 year ago
Reply to  Iliketables

Problem is, our channel is not naturally deep water.

Iliketables
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Iliketables
1 year ago
Reply to  Dan

What’s that have to do with anything? It’s dredged all the time and it’s not going to stop being dredged, so tell me how it’s a problem?

DanD
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Dan
1 year ago
Reply to  Vet

All of them.
Ag, lumber, fisheries, gravel, stone
The bigger they are the more efficient they are in the bottom line.

Still NO.

HumboldtianD
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Humboldtian
1 year ago
Reply to  Dan

Large corporations like Walmart, Target, and Safeway have their own fleet of trucks with day cabs that are shorter and allow for the 53’ standard trailer. Local businesses can’t compete with the large cooperations.

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
1 year ago

Bypass the grove!

What could be easier?

Quit driving your goddamn dangerous rigs through Richardson Grove!

It is amazing that there is a single Redwood tree left, anywhere…

The truckers will try to kill you, so beware…

You don’t need all the crap they haul, and you can buy a Prius and trek to Redding or Ukiah a couple times a month, and purchase all the cosmetics, training bras and rubber dog shit you need…

Leave the trees alone and build the road to join up…

treeman53
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treeman53
1 year ago

Sounds like you got it all figured out. LOL

Me
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Me
1 year ago

“all the crap they haul”…I kind of like the food they haul, the medicines they haul, the mattresses they haul, the blankets they haul, and yes, the stuff they haul that might not be a necessity.

Vet
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Vet
1 year ago
Reply to  Me

The do it now.

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
1 year ago
Reply to  Me

Yes and don’t forget all those bags of “Growth Media”…

Very important…

They tried to kill me, in the Grove, when a speeding rig hauling “essential crushed cars” spilled on the road, one foggy morning Southbound, and I was the car behind…

Saw the whole damn thing, truck going 70 and just lost it… Fortunately I was able to dodge in my Acura but it was a near thing, at 0500…

Truckers are mostly idiots, California has failed to build and maintain adequate highways for over 50 years…

Drive up the 5 and turn left at Redding, haul over the 299, which had Billions spent to straighten, take out trees, and widen…

No bigger trucks on the 101! Bypass the grove, like they planned long ago…

If you need more consumer crap, go fetch…

Me
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Me
1 year ago

Not crap. Just essentials. Look around your abode. How much was hauled by trucks? I’d guess 99%. How much was made using tools or materials hauled by trucks? I guarantee 100%.

PenguinnD
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1 year ago
Reply to  Me

And yet it is all available in Eureka at this moment with Richardson Grove as intact as it is.

moe
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moe
1 year ago
Reply to  Penguinn

penguin- right!!!

Iliketables
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Iliketables
1 year ago
Reply to  Me

Actually in Humboldt the majority is shipped in by barge.

Mr. BearD
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Mr. Bear
1 year ago
Reply to  Iliketables

The majority of what? Gasoline maybe but nothing else

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
1 year ago
Reply to  Me

I’m pretty sure I don’t own a single thing that was hauled to Humboldt on a truck…

Utilitarians are not members of a sect…

Learn a new sentence: “I don’t buy shit that I don’t need!”

There are BIG holes in the Highway that was supposed to be built, and this is one of them…

Ernie Branscomb
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1 year ago

LOL.
truck going 70 and just lost it… Fortunately I was able to dodge in my Acura but it was a near thing,”
The truck was doing 70 in Richardson Grove and you were right behind it. OOOKAY?
Maybe a little bit of hyperbole there?
Glad you survived to tell the tale.

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
1 year ago

Actually, Ernie, I was watching the rig run away from me in the fog, and I came around the curve and there appeared crushed cars in my lane… Fortunately, there was no opposing traffic at that moment in space-time, and I scooted around instead of adding my own vehicle to the collection…

I saw the truck speeding, I got the hell out of the way, since I always drive safely and near the speed limit, and then I came around the blind curve and there she was: No lights, no flares, just a flipped truck and a nasty problem…

I was lucky, sober, driving safely and awake.

Thanks for your note!

c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago

a lot of newby/youngings don’know about that plan.

Iliketables
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Iliketables
1 year ago
Reply to  Me

You do realize the majority of that stuff (fuel included) is shipped in by barge into Humboldt bay?

suspence
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suspence
1 year ago

I like the idea but I just looked at the map, not very feasible. The history of the efforts to save the old growth are pretty well documented. Approximately 1% has been preserved, they (Sierra Club and other environmental groups) were hoping to save 15%.

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F. Hue
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F. Hue
1 year ago

Why on God’s earth would anyone want to trek to Redding, the armpit of Northern California, a few times a month? It’s bad enough trekking to Eureka, the shithole of Northern California, a few times a month!

Mota Joe
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Mota Joe
1 year ago

Just put in a pair of traffic lights and require any truck wanting to go through the grove to carry an activation device, like a garage door clicker. When truck approaches the grove, the drivers pulls over, presses the clicker, and waits for the signal to pass through. Surely people can spare a few seconds to save those trees.

treeman53
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treeman53
1 year ago
Reply to  Mota Joe

Its not rocket science. They come in and selectively cut a few trees and realign the road.Those trees are not worth somebody getting injured or killed Those trees are endangering the traveling public.

hmm
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hmm
1 year ago
Reply to  treeman53

It would be the trucks endangering the public, not the trees.

Ed Voice
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Ed Voice
1 year ago
Reply to  treeman53

The Redwoods were there first, long, long, long before the internal combustion engine came along. In the big scheme of things, how much time is lost by driving at the safe and posted speed limit? The Redwoods are not “endangering” anyone! Speed kills!

moe
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moe
1 year ago
Reply to  treeman53

treeman- you, my frienamy, are NOT a treeman!!!- unless you ment tree cutter man!

– hey i know!! how bout we let every man, who would dare to cut a 1000 yo beautiful magnificant silent giant,first also offer one of their own family members, or limbs, to be cut down prematurely!!!- I bet a million to one none of these infants soy of 25-60 yo would be pushing to slaughter what few remain, then!!!!!!-

Kym Kemp
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1 year ago
Reply to  moe

Just so we are all on the same page…no old growth trees–redwood or otherwise are being cut.

hmm
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hmm
1 year ago
Reply to  Mota Joe

Or just do not let the larger trucks pass through. We have gotten along perfectly fine so far.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  hmm

No we haven’t “gotten along perfectly fine so far.” Because most everyone else uses those larger trucks, any load coming through the Grove has to be redistributed to smaller trucks, adding cost and delays every day. I wonder how much pollution having more trucks coming through adds too.

Not to mention I have been behind a semi with a large load of lumber when it shifted going through the curves there. It was quite quite a bit before the trucker found a turnout large enough to pull over. Until he did all the people in the other lane were in danger of his load shifting on top of them. And how many of those trees have collision scars on them? Although I never saw someone hit one.

What we really need is a train for hauling freight. Or use less imported stuff altogether. And that is certainly not going to happen.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

What exactly have we suffered by not using these larger trucks? Marginally higher prices? Moderately less availability of some consumer goods?

I’ve certainly gotten by just fine for 15 years up here without the big trucks. And many others have done so for far longer.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago

Yes,marginally higher prices. Which is why almost every business that can grow moves out of the county to do it. Because to compete in the wide world, they can not get customers to buy something made here that costs more by saying that the shipping costs because we want to save the Redwoods more than compete unless they have a monopoly. They can’t or won’t in turn pay more to make their product even more uncompetitive.
Now I personally don’t have a problem with that because I Iive a pretty simply life and don’t have much wants. And had the determination and means to earn what I needed and be happy with it. For a lot longer than 15 years. But how much whining goes on here in comments about how inequality of wealth is a shame on the country? The horror of someone making a profit out of other’s wants or needs? How many expect someone to provide what they can’t or won’t earn? How many engage in crime to do get what they want and are actually proud of it? How many come here with no intented to help anyone but themselves and demand others provide?

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

So we have gotten by fine, including you? That’s my experience as well.

Adjusting the road to permit marginally larger trucks won’t change the economics of industry here, won’t change county (let alone national) wealth inequality, won’t impact the crime issues are community is faced with.

So what exactly is the issue here? What is the benefit to our community of doing this work that will clearly cause some disruption to one of the rarest ecosystems in North America?

The costs are hard to know and somewhat intangible, the benefits are minimal to non existent. We are a remote, rural community. There are plenty of communities around the state and country that are not that if that is your preference. I see no value from this project, but I’m interested to hear what benefit you or anyone else perceives that leads you to support it (or at least act dismissive of those who oppose it).

Iliketables
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Iliketables
1 year ago

No we have a port. We don’t pay higher anything because stuff is trucked because the vast majority of our stuff is shipped.

Iliketables
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Iliketables
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Most everything is shipped in. We have a port. We literally have the one thing that most counties do not have: a port. Let me enlighten you to how this works, items are shipped into the ports and then trucked from there in pretty much 100% of the world.

thetallone
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thetallone
1 year ago
Reply to  Mota Joe

Traffic lights on either end would be an easy solution. So you have to wait a couple minutes. The scenery is good.

Richard
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Richard
1 year ago
Reply to  Mota Joe

Every time this project gets mentioned a bunch of armchair highway engineers propose a bunch of downright dumb ideas. The signal is one of them. The summertime backups would be the subject of public rage, much of it from the very proponents of it. I sure Caltrans looked into such ideas already and dropped them as infeasible.

Iliketables
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Iliketables
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard

Nothing needs to be done as the vast majority of our goods are shipped into Humboldt bay. How many of you have lived here for how long? And none of you know this?

Bozo
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Bozo
1 year ago

Should be a law… any organization that sues to stop public safety enhancements will be subject to any lawsuits, injuries or deaths due to that obstruction.

Maybe our representative will get busy on that law. (Yeah, sure.)

treeman53
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treeman53
1 year ago
Reply to  Bozo

I like it.

D'Tucker Jebs
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1 year ago
Reply to  Bozo

It’s not a public safety enhancement.
It’s to bring in bigger trucks.

Bozo
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Bozo
1 year ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Hmmm…
Why don’t you ride a bicycle through there… or be a pedestrian.
Let me take out life insurance on you before you do.

moe
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moe
1 year ago
Reply to  Bozo

your on, because I walk these highways all the freaking time!!!- all over this hell and back!+ i’m totalled fine.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
1 year ago

Just cut them down already, if we don’t the next dictator of this land will in heartbeat. They will thank environmentalists for saving them a nice redwood deck, crack me up. Like the USA is going to own the grove forever, we’re in debt up to our ears, sell the grove to China,they’ll clear cut it and put in a toll .

Misguided
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Misguided
1 year ago

It seems like the damage is done, there is already a road thru the grove.. I think a few small trees getting cut is not big deal.. a byoass would have a much greater impact on the area and is IMHO a worse idea.. people aren’t gonna stop driving… Not in this decade at least… The grove will be fine.m and maybe there will be less accidents there.

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
1 year ago
Reply to  Misguided

I agree, this will cut down on accidents which will actually cut down on damage to the trees due to accidents. We live in a very isolated area and 101 is our lifeline to the rest of the world.

THC
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THC
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Koch

Most people live/moved here for the isolation. If you want to live in a big city move to one..

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
1 year ago
Reply to  THC

Most people in Humboldt live near 101 and depend on it for supplies. In fact way more than half the people in Humboldt live in just 4 cities: Fortuna, Eureka, Arcata, and McKinleyville, they don’t want to live in isolation. That disproves your statement.

Beyond that 101 is a US highway that travelers from far beyond Humboldt depend on. We have a duty to keep it safe to travel on 101.

Wanting 101 to be safe and reliable does not imply one wants to live in a big city, it just means that a safe 101 facilitates living in Humboldt.

THC
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THC
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Koch

And Eureka, Fortuna, Arcata ect have been getting supplies just fine..

Iliketables
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Iliketables
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Koch

Except we have one of the few deep water ports on the west coast in our backyard and most products come from down south. Do you forget there are literally 2 states north of us that items are shipped to as well? The barges and ships go right by.

moe
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moe
1 year ago
Reply to  Iliketables

and theres I- 5 , I-90, I- 84, I-80, hwy 2 , and hwy 20, stupid. plus Seattle and portland also have ‘ports’

Iliketables
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Iliketables
1 year ago
Reply to  moe

Portland does not have a port on the ocean. Yes there are ships already heading to this places from SoCal. They pull in, drop off fuel and goods, load up with lumber and keep on going. Your point?

suspence
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suspence
1 year ago
Reply to  Misguided

There aren’t that many accidents there. This isn’t for public safety. It’s for larger trucks.

Timb0D
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1 year ago
Reply to  suspence

And until we learn how to transplnt first growth Redwoods that weigh 50,000 to 4 million pounds, we need to leave them alone to grow.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Misguided

Ah, yes…

How refreshing…

The voice of reason…

I totally agree…

Mister C.
Member
1 year ago

Caltrans is handing us a pack of lies, by Eileen Cooper:

https://m.soundcloud.com/miracle-studios/caltrans-has-handed-us-a

Cal Trans is handing us a pack of lies.

They’re putting big rigs on 199.

They call their project safe, but it’s we who will die.

With one foot between us and the big rigs going by.

They tell us not to worry, nothing much will change.

There won’t be many trucks,

That’s what they say.

How do they figure? They look the other way.

Now here comes I-5. It’s headed our way.

They filled the wetlands at Willits bypass road.

They’re stripping redwoods from Richardson Grove.

And when they’re finished, don’t you know,

They’ll wreck the Smith river. That beautiful river.

They’ll wreck the river, carrying toxic loads.

And how will it feel? The canyon wall is hard.

The river below you, and one foot between you.

Just one foot between you and the big rigs going by.

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
1 year ago
Reply to  Mister C.

Definitely don’t need bigger trucks on 199. At times you have stone cliffs right next to road (no shoulder) and vertical drop off to the river other side. You just hope there isn’t a truck coming the other way when you squeeze thru that section.

suspence
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suspence
1 year ago
Reply to  Mister C.

Good grief, get a grip.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Mister C.

You mean when they carry goods like that baseball cap and sunglasses?

Richard Finch
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Richard Finch
1 year ago

This situation long ago went beyond farcical. “Save Richardson Grove!” reads a billboard near the north entrance. My brother, who lives in the Bay Area, thought someone was proposing to clear cut the grove. As for the scientist’s assertion that road building damaged redwoods, that’s a perfect example of the post-hoc-ergo-propter hoc logical fallacy.

hmm
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hmm
1 year ago

It is really a shame that EPIC and ROCKER only preacher to the choir. Notice that they only publish articles promoting the release of their podcasts episode on LOCO?

They claim that anyone concerned about human population is a bigot in disguise, as it is only the brown nations with increasing populations.

In spite of this close-minded stupidity, their positions on environmental concerns are nearly always correct, and it is important for the future that they learn to reach those who might not already agree with them. A skill that has been lost in our hyper partisan world.

I wish Mr. Wheeler would learn how to steelman the positions of his opponents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man#Steelmanning

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  hmm

Dang it’s a really irritating world when a progressive ideal on unlimited immigration can’t coexist with their ideal of untouched nature. Or the ideal of equality of resources for the increasing number of poor while cutting back on use of those resources. All they can do is blame about the past for not doing what they can’t figure out how to do themselves.

guestD
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guest
1 year ago

Epic needs to stop beating this dead horse, They have profited of of these construction delay lawsuits. They have delayed the inevitable so long that it only cost more tax dollars for this project. Think about it. Epic has profited from our tax dollars. Epic has almost doubled the cost of this project, More of our tax dollars.

c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago
Reply to  guest

epic is/has been heading in the wrong direction for a decade and a half.

Not Blind
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Not Blind
1 year ago
Reply to  guest

That’s epic’s business model. Sue 10 people, one case sticks and their bloated charge for their “services” (they’re a non profit) covers the nine failed lawsuits.

I thought they were a reputable organization until I worked with them…

Vet
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Vet
1 year ago

How man accidents? How many accidents involving oversize trucks? How many fatalities? Show us the numbers or STFU

Littlefoot
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Littlefoot
1 year ago

Whatever happened to “Keep U.S. Out of Humboldt”? One of the best parts of Humboldt County is that it’s isolated from the world. The people cherished their magical little community and were fine when landslides cut them off from the world for a little while.

Now everyone wants to join Babylon for a little convenience.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago

It seems like people who want the conveniences of urban living should move somewhere besides one of the more remote corners of the continental United States.

Lots of places have easy access by the industry standard freight vehicles, very few places have old growth redwoods

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago

So no complaints about the collapse of the pot industry from you? Just because elsewhere can out produce here? Or that the homeless, who are only homeless because the jobs are not here, are not supported in their lives? Or that- wait! That guy in Arcata? Making a living off the California students coming here from elsewhere, bringing that elswhere money to here? Hmm… That can’t be right. Because they put a strain on the local ecology and could live elsewhere if they really want an education?
Yup. Those people buying conveniences like food, utilities , health care, etc should just go elsewhere. After all you got yours.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Larger trucks being able to pass through Richardson Grove are not necessary for us to have essentials.

And I don’t have a problem with our area engaging with the outside world or with outsiders moving here. I just don’t think we should be so quick to damage irreplaceable things that make this area unique in pursuit of minor conveniences.

And while I’m sorry to see the loss of the local cannabis monopoly from a personal finance perspective, it’s ultimately part of a much more important trend of allowing people more personal autonomy around a very low risk recreational intoxicant. So, sucks for us but better for the whole. We had a food run and if we were careless with that easy income and didn’t save for this inevitability then that was a big mistake. I fail to see the connection to Richardson Grove though

moe
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moe
1 year ago
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no complaints. you stole our seeds foryears and now that you hire us to help with all thenot so fun parts at a fraction of what those tedious hour after hour production jobs and machines accomplish for your yeild at a fraction of a mom and Pops farm ( who werent issued THEIR permits btw)who are now losing their farms, you think your entitled asses are hot shit. Quality, not quantity mfs! organice not fertilized, legalize not corporatize!!!

Iliketables
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Iliketables
1 year ago

A “remote” corner of the United States with a port. Which 99.9% of counties in the United States do not have.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
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Our port doesn’t make us any less remote. I can’t think of any comparable population centers that are less accessible to available transportation options.

Iliketables
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Iliketables
1 year ago

When your port is just a stop on the shipping route it actually does make us less remote. We are very accessible because of that.

Timb0D
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1 year ago

Give the fallen Redwoods to Eric Hollenbeck

c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago
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lol I c what you did there

Just Saying
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Just Saying
1 year ago

Look, if logging trucks drove the route for decades, the road itself is not the issue. The trucks are getting longer and longer. Some of the newer, longer trucks can’t use the road because of the curves. Frankly, I consider this the beginning of the Redwood Curtain and I’m fine with leaving it as it is. Nothing is going to be cheaper just because the road gets widened. Oh, the trucking companies might have more profits, and Walmart’s crap will get here quicker…. but we’re not going to gain a benefit from this. The rest of us just need to slow down and enjoy the drive.(That truck that spilled his logs a couple of weeks ago had already passed the curves but didn’t have his load properly secured.)

Griffon
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Griffon
1 year ago
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I totally agree.

c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago
Reply to  Just Saying

til you have to relive the 64′ event

Just Saying
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Just Saying
1 year ago

We’re being hit from all sides; here’s the latest on the Smith River. And it’s all about larger trucks.

Judge lifts block on road construction along California’s last undammed river
https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-lifts-block-on-road-construction-along-californias-last-undammed-river/

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THC
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THC
1 year ago

Personally I live in the country for a reason, if I wanted to live in a city I’d move to one…

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mortos
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1 year ago
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Agree. My wife and I plan on retiring to Redwood country because we want isolation and quiet. We are DONE with cities.

Guest
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1 year ago
Reply to  mortos

But not work here?

mortos
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1 year ago
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Retire, as in not getting up before dawn to drive down to Mountain View and sit in meeting listing to some pompous MBA babble on about shit I stopped caring about years ago.

Carricomom
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Carricomom
1 year ago

any of these commenters actually sat in richardson grove for a single day and watched the amount of full sized trucks that sneak through? They don’t care about our safety. Look at the last logging truck that flipped because of his high rate of speed and improperly secured load. Put in the one way control lights and leave the trees alone. They won’t stop at just widening. Next they will want 4 lanes. I prefer to buy my goods up north where the price is better anyway. You think rays will drop their prices once the road is wider? Jokes on us. Prices will be just as high and we will have no beautiful scenery to justify living here. People don’t travel here to buy stuff they travel here for our trees.

Guest
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1 year ago
Reply to  Carricomom

Where do the merchants up north get their goods to sell?

Kym Kemp
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1 year ago
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The STAA trucks come down Hwy 101 or over 299 from I-5.

The main thing for Caltrans (not for those of us in SoHum) though is the trip to avoid Richardsons Grove adds hours of diesel burning to every STAA truck that could otherwise just head from SF to Eureka on 101 or vice versa. Those vehicles have to reroute to I-5 and then come back across 299 and tack the hours of travel and the gallons of fuel expense onto every load.

THC
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THC
1 year ago
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Mostly it’s just more competition up north that keep the prices lower. Down in the Garberville Redway area we have two grocery stores owned by the same parent Corporation. It has nothing to do with the ability to ship goods here. That’s why I can get the same Chinese crap off eBay shipped directly to my PO box for half the price I can buy it at the local overpriced retailer. Local Southern Humboldt businesses just got used to everybody having lots of money and being able to charge whatever they wanted, that’s not going to change if the roads wider.

Observer
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1 year ago

I’d take epic more seriously if they didn’t lie about this project from the jump, claiming old growth trees were going to be cut when they weren’t. That billboard of people hugging the old growth trees is beyond misleading. How many people would you need to surround and hug a 10″ dbh redwood? Its not about trees or the environment. Its all about fundraising to perpetually be in court.

farfromputin
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farfromputin
1 year ago

The trees add beauty to Hwy 101. Leave them be. Let us focus on the carnage to pedestrians and bicyclists that is going on daily in Eureka. Use the big bucks to design and build a barrier through the city to separate autos from non-vehicle travelers.

Gary Whittaker
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Gary Whittaker
1 year ago

Opening up the redwood curtain a bit more is inevitable.
In the name of safer roadways is good for all. There is a happy medium to be found. The project has been on the back burner a long time. All “sides” in the matter decide. I’d rather pay for infrastructure than attorneys.

Martin
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1 year ago

Cut down the trees that are too close to the highway through Richardson Grove. Epic does not own the forest. The felled trees can be used for lumber, signposts, markers, etc., in the State Parks. This back-and-forth bitching about the trees is crazy. That stretch of highway has killed and injured a number of folks. It also keeps some oversize big rigs from bringing materials that are needed into Eureka and other towns along the way. Human life far outweighs the price of the trees. I am 100% onboard with Caltrans!

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
1 year ago

Comedy gold. The same Save the Grove people are all for windmills off our coast, shredding thousands of birds and causing whales to beach themselves. Frauds. Gotta break a few million eggs to charge that POS Prius.

jimbobo
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jimbobo
1 year ago

Safety first. Cut em down. There’s already enough redwood trees and they are like weeds anyway. If cutting down a few to allow the road to be more safe for things like oh i dunno……emergency vehicles, fire engines, snow plows etc etc why are we even having this conversation and why is it “up to us.” Cut em down! Safety first.

Jeff
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Jeff
1 year ago

A plan to improve the capacity of the highway in a way that doesn’t remove or damage any large trees should be regarded as success story. It marks an incredible paradigm shift compared to past highway construction and improvement projects. Even compared to projects as recent as the Willits bypass interchange, which makes me cringe every time I drive past it.

I worry about how sincerely environmental advocacy will be taken in the future if every little thing these days is opposed. The greatest risk is losing the legitimacy of these organizations as their courage and leadership has been critical in calling out what has needed to be called out.