The Gay Pride Community Held a Communion in Ferndale Yesterday
Sister Mary Magdalaid Me and Arne R.W. Petersen, a Ferndale resident.* [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
Colorful costumes, banners, and flags marked the event. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
Several protesters and their signs proclaimed their Christian faith. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]
Sister Mary Magdalaid Me of the Eureka Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence explained that signs in the town had created a “contentious environment.” And that her community was there to “create a circle of protection and a space so that gender non-conforming and queer and…non dominant culturally presenting humans could have a space to feel okay being public and vulnerable in the town where they live.”
The one counter protester who showed up, however said that the Gay Pride Community is “living a lifestyle so far out of the norm, but yet they want people to accept it by force.” [No episodes of force or violence were seen by our reporter.]
He said that the pastor who posted the sign was trying to help children. “He’s not a hater,” the man said. “He’s not a bigot. He’s just warning to protect the children.”
A livestream video of the event is below:
*PLEASE NOTE: An earlier version of this miscaptioned the first photo. Our deepest apologies to Mr. Petersen.
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What everyone seems to be ignoring is: everyone is entitled to their opinion. And THAT is what makes America great.
Bramwell’s opinion is that he loves people so much he doesn’t want them to live in a self created, or future, damnation.
The queer group is of the opinion that Bramwell and his followers hate them.
If we were in another country they would both be silenced … the Ferndale city council and the Humboldt BoS cannot issue proclamations that take away 1st Amendment rights.
When are the SPI going to do a love-in in downtown Watts? Probably the same day a skin head goes into an Inglewood city council meeting asking for a proclamation from them disavowing hate against the skin head community. Same/same – and if you don’t see it that way you are deluding yourself.
Notice, there was no issue from the public at large yesterday – because the public DOESN’T CARE WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR BEDROOM. The public would rather you keep it there, though, and is increasingly becoming uncomfortable with the idea that a very loud subset of people want to pridefully rub in the public’s face what they do in in private.
This same group thinks it’s okay to *sexually and provocatively* dance in front of children for cash tips … um, it’s not okay if the performance is by anyone for children, that it glorifies a certain subset is not the point.
No one is protesting at Gallagher’s drag shows, as far as I’m aware they are for people over 18. What the poster for their January 14th event did do is use Disney font … FYI, using “child friendly” branding is not allowed on cannabis packaging and these promotions should be held to the same standard as these shows are not for children.
Drag isn’t always to the benefit of the performer as they are acting the part of a sad clown … historically drag was ridicule and it still is. Why even associate and be prideful of such a medium in the first place. Take the makeup off and just read to the children, but please not a book about rique subjects. Why should children even be THINKING about sex at a young age?
Why are children the chosen demographic for these performances???
That’s the crux of the conversation …
Because the trans child has been invented by the adults to advance the arguements that benefit the adults. Drag queens twerking in front of children introduces children to gender identity and gets the parents to let their guard down (or be branded bigots).
Does Ferndale High have cheerleaders?
I wasn’t aware cheerleaders are sexual and provocative … if you think they are maybe that’s the problem. And they definitely are not performing for tips.
Money from children to satisfy an ego … makes no sense, but y’all keep doubling down.
Do they perform in Carhartt coveralls? You’re so socialized to it you don’t notice your double standard. I don’t like drag shows for kids. To be cognitively consistent, I don’t like young women performing provocatively to break up the boredom of an interminable gladiator bout.
Went to look at some pictures of Ferndale cheerleading squad. Outside of short- really short- skirts, they are rather demure. Long sleeves, no bare midriff, high neckline. Even the occasional sweatshirt, Ferndale weather being what it is. And very organized.
Just because they offer an activity in a sport that precludes women does not make them sexual objects. Unless of course you are of the persuasion that all women are just that. Which would also include drag queens, those imitation women.
You’re really off base. Really, really far off base.
They don’t perform provocative you look at them and judge them that way. They are woman doing what real woman do smile dance and cheer. They aren’t out there doing weird creepy stuff like this sick pedophile parade.
If you’re finding drag queens to be sexually provocative, you might want to take a closer look at yourself.
“Sister Mary Magdalaid Me” isn’t provocative as a name? Is that child friendly that name? Sister Mary Magda Laid Me?
Beats Al Ivesmtr, or however (s)he spells it here on the board.
Must be something wrong with me, because I think she’s kinda hot…
This is what the “protestors” are against, this type of performance:
https://thepostmillennial.com/shocking-drag-queen-performs-nearly-nude-in-front-of-child-at-austin-all-ages-event?utm_campaign=64466
It’s all projection. How many vocally anti gay republicans got caught engaging in homosexual activities? Not to mention homosexual pedophilia?
It’s either projection or they are even more fragile than the “snowflakes” they are always ranting about.
So true. You know what they say about homophobics..
That’s funny. Of course there’s a big difference between recognizing sexually suggestive behavior, and finding something sexually attractive.
“I wasn’t aware cheerleaders are sexual and provocative”
Oh my sides
Why do you want to know? What are you going to imply?
Alright then, what is your take on girls volleyball uniforms. It’s basically a cheer uniform without the skirt. Or is it the sport of cheerleading you have a problem with, and YES it IS A SPORT!
Absolutely a sport. I don’t mean to demean the athleticism. There’s more to it than some of the sports they’re cheering sometimes.
Many mandated women’s uniforms are more form fitting and shorter cut than men’s. If it were about performance, the men would wear the same outfits.
Your right peoples sex life and choices don’t need to be advertised it is disgusting. Gay clowns running around is pedophila grooming. Should be illegal.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11666981/Now-Aretha-Franklins-song-Natural-Woman-deemed-OFFENSIVE-trans-women.html
Singing Natural Woman is offensive to men in dresses and using sex based pronouns is “literal violence”.
That was an obvious parody… Lots of people fell for it…
I don’t think anyone is ignoring entitlement to the differences of opinion. Just the opposite. If they had no sense of entitlement to their own opinions, there would be no new story at all. In fact the whole thing, from the long-become-a-worn-out-joke Sisters’ very existence to the fact someone protested their display to the protest being reported to comments being made, it is nothing but demonstration of entitlement to entitlement of opinion. But otherwise you’respot on.
It’s almost as if some people feel entitled to be treated like everyone else.
https://twitter.com/Glinner/status/1617551969668984832?cxt=HHwWgMDT3ce82fIsAAAA
No. It’s like the expect to do anything they want all the time and not ever hear a word of dissent from anyone for any reason ever.
No. It’s more like demanding not to be treated like everyone else.
I don’t mean to be provocative, but I really don’t understand your comment.
Same goes for the response from guest’.
Take your fingers out of your ears and stop singing “lalalalalalalalala I can’t hear you”
No, the trans identified males want to have special treatment. Males don’t belong in the women’s bathroom, the women’s healthclub showers, they don’t menstrate, they are not female. They want special treatment and “rights” because they already have the same human rights everyone has.
The same performances would be completely unacceptable in front of children, if done by someone not in drag.
“When are the SPI going to do a love-in in downtown Watts? Probably the same day a skin head goes into an Inglewood city council meeting asking for a proclamation from them disavowing hate against the skin head community.”
WTF, equating SPI with skinheads?
No big issues from the public at large yesterday, maybe because folks are learning they’ll look the hater. In other words, that small sub-set that “loves people so much” (your words) are maybe learning.
From CA Office of Attorney General:
In California, under the Ralph Act, Civil Code § 51.7, your civil rights may be violated if you have been subjected to hate violence or the threat of violence – even where the incident does not rise to the level of a hate crime and may be otherwise constitutionally-protected from prosecution by the government – because of your actual or perceived: sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, medical condition, genetic information, marital status, sexual orientation, citizenship, primary language, immigration status, political affiliation, and position in a labor dispute. A civil violation may result in restraining orders, injunctive and/or equitable relief, damages, a civil penalty of $25,000, and attorney’s fees.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Access_to_Clinic_Entrances_Act
Look 👀 we don’t disagree.
And Rev B has the right to his signage. No one has the right to physically harm others. Words are words, they have no power without definition.
Dig a little deeper on my connecting SPI with skinheads, it’s about the phrase: Free to be, you and me.
I don’t like skinheads, but they’re entitled to their opinion. They are not allowed to physically harm someone.
Both are political performers
Uh, one has some real Hx of violent rhetoric and behavior. Guess which.
Actually both. Do a bit better research.
Yup. Exacting like equating SPI with skinheads. Interesting idea that “look the hater” is applied with such hate.
I agree.
What does wearing a costume in public have to do with what someone does in the bedroom?
Why people claim to believe in God and mock His Word is beyond me. Their lack of reverent fear is, in itself, quite terrifying to me.
Since religion was brought up, I will only reference Romans 1:18-32. I don’t ask anyone to believe it. I just note it here as part of my reasoning.
May God forgive and save us all.
Let’s also not forget Exodus 21:20-21. It’s OK to beat your slaves, so long as they’re able to walk again after a couple days. Truly a book to set one’s moral standards by.
Well, I’m kinda more about context. How are you treating the people who work for you? Postman? Grocery stocker? Neighborhood kid? Gas station attendant?
Have a nice day!
Mike Morgan, I completely agree with you. It clearly states in the Bible that those that do not idle God above all, will never be forgiven. They kept celebrating themselves, the Day of Love, and using themselves as an institution to keep brainwashing each other. What was all that hissing like a snake 🐍 about? Ugh!
I would like to reference…
Proverbs 3:5-6. Trust in Me with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Me, and I will make your paths straight.
Repent your sins, and may God forgive and save us all. In Jesus loving name,
Amen 🙏🏻
How are you commenting from the bronze age?
The guy searching for children needs to go somewhere else to look. There were no children present
Maybe he’s just “looking “
Projection lately. Sad it didn’t rain.
Was Ole Joe there? Thanks Joe for 6 dollar diesel being the new norm. Donald had it at 3 bucks, what gives? Interest rates at 7 percent, you failed this economy test and hosed millions of hard working Americans. Sure glad we got rid of the orange rump, this is way gooder.
Diesel hasn’t been $3.00 here for almost 20 years! You’ve got to compare prices from the same geographic location. By what mechanism did Trump get fuel prices low? By what mechanism, and why would Biden want fuel prices high? Trump can’t even drive. Could it be that petroleum producers jack up prices to create political pressure?
Too funny, 2019 diesel was 3 bucks as a renner member. Typical go Joe Biden rebuttal. I think that was 3 years ago, not 20. Ok higher fuel prices ,more tax money collected. More inflation equals more tax dollars, any other questions. Joe really helping us out here, lets see rude tweets and cheaper living or no tweets and screw us hard working people.
How about the lowest unemployment rate in 50 years, is that so bad? The highest debt in history was created under the trump administration. Biden doesn’t control the world or situations like Russia and Ukraine.
Tagged presidents entering office dates (back to HW bush) to the unemployment rate, every R pushed up the unemployment rate and every D brought it back down
Graph is totally wrong and fake
Post one from a legit source that contradicts it
I’m sorry this chart hurt your feelings but its 100% real
Joe Biden can’t even control a bicycle, what’s your point? That he is useless? Agreed
I’ll go check my receipts! Could have dipped into the upper $3.’s? For what? a few days during covid? But a $3.89 ain’t no $3.00. Up here diesel has been $4.00 or more for quite a while.
I just think there’s something else going on than some policy Trump, or Biden enacted. Describe it to me, cuz I honestly want to know: what he did to (consistently?)lower fuel prices, and why we do have so much price variation by region. If buying power is truly so disparate in one Nation then something’s off, either way.
Sorry bud , I’ve got a solid 2019 at 2.88 to 3.10 from renner. It’s ok, ole Joe made 6 bucks the new norm.
1/19/19: $3.99
3/15/19: $3.88
5/14/19: $4.17
6/13/19: $4.11
10/10/19: $4:12
12/02/19: $4:15
All Renner receipts
The WhiteHouse dumping strategic petroleum reserves onto the market certainly helped push the price down. Now they’re replenishing the reserves at lower costs since they drove the price down. Seems to be a successful endeavor so far, but also a bit sketchy since they’re pretty much manipulating the market-by-day trading our strategic oil reserve.
The huge price variation within short distances represents a market heavily induced by state regulation. If participants were free to arbitrage price gaps in fuel the cost would drop significantly
Bidens green policy, has pushed fuel prices up. Any other questions? Rump didn’t support EPA, CARB or any other green department. So fuel is double now thanks to Ole Joe.
I got nailed by CARB during the Trump administration. Those agencies didn’t go away. What did Biden do to those agencies on day one that rocked the price up double? I’ve never seen a government agency become so effective so fast! State regulations don’t have explain the difference in fuel prices between Willits and here. Our fuel taxes don’t cover the difference between prices in Nevada or Arizona. Fuel should be cheaper to barge up here from the refineries in Richmond than to ship fuel out out to Phoenix.
State and Federal fuel taxes are fixed regardless of fuel price. Sales tax( which doesn’t go to the Federal Government) is a percentage of the price, increasing with cost. So more inflation doesn’t necessarily equal more tax dollars. Fuel prices have driven inflation across the board. Petroleum producers have been forced to accept record profits in their struggle to help the common man.
You said. ” sales tax” but doesn’t necessarily equal more tax dollars. Crack me up, you definitely politician material.
Covid lowered fuel prices. Maybe you should thank that.
So did fracking, outside the Redwood Curtain…
What happened to all the gas wells put in over the last ten years just South of Ferndale?
no demand
How do you figure? Fuel prices are much higher than pre covid
Let me think here. Think, think. When did SA reduce production? When did supply chains start backing up? Why right before the election. What did that cause? Think, think. High gas prices.Inflation. Who could have benefited from that? Repubs who were screaming that everything from inflation to gas prices to Uncle Frank’s rash was President Biden’s fault. Get real.
As for the Drag Show. A little touchy about the whole thing. Could it be you find it titillating and are afraid people may notice? The threats, the protesting, the idiocy only brings attention to what a bigoted community Ferndale is. I’ve always known it, lived here all my life, but I’d have liked to think that some minds were opening up. Doesn’t look like it unfortunately.
When was the last time Democrats said anything about bringing in record tax money off us hard working people? They haven’t, they are dirty low down rotten politicians just like the rest . Thank God for Biden, no mean tweets and beans and rice . Thank a Democrat today. What was it the raked in last year ,an extra 3,000,000,000,000 dollars, without a word, greedy Democrats. Nothing but greedy low down no good weasels .
Gotta pay for God Bless Our Troops, and Freedom Isn’t Free somehow, right! Do you want to give away some giant anarchistic 7-Eleven-has-been nation with dirt road aisles to ‘Gine-a? Collect more Corporate income tax. Why did Amazon only pay 6%? Think how much more Amazon depends on Federally funded infrastructure than you or I do on a daily basis.
Democrats still raked in record taxes off harding working Americans backs, build back better bs. Democrats nothing but greedy pigs, years of lousy voting got us here.
If all a person can do to be “non dominant culturally presenting humans ” is to ridicule the dominate culturally presenting humans, they have surrendered their individuality already. They don’t have to worry about their rights to be different.
Somehow drag is not treated as offensive as blackface. Probably because women are rarely a group to be concerned about even to themselves. But the irony of reporting this story on the same day as the story about the “alleged rapes” by a cop is not lost.
I live in Ferndale and am sick of this church posting offensive, yes I do feel their words are offensive, things on their board. Wake up…its 2023 ! Everyone has the right to live how they wish to live and to raise their children how they deem its appropriate. I have witnessed hatred and racism in this town. Enough is enough…
Move! Or just realize it’s only male or female!
Google ambiguous sex at birth.
You will learn something
You mean DSD? Yes, some people are born with genetic disorders that impact their development, but this does not mean there is a 3rd sex.
Of course, if you do know of a 3rd sex it would be a scientific breakthrough and you would be famous. But there isn’t, and you are just blowing smoke.
1. If all forms of differentiation are included, then the number of intersex births globally comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births.
2. If just ambiguous genitalia is considered, the estimated birth rate is 1 in 4,500.
3. With few exceptions, babies with ambiguous genitalia are physically healthy.
4. The percentage of the population that is affected in some way by ambiguous genitalia: 1.7%.
https://healthresearchfunding.org/15-notable-ambiguous-genitalia-statistics/
Likely this less than 2% of the population has been co opted by those with their own agenda to be used as a social club to beat on the rest. You are talking wanting everyone to agree to those wants , not needing everyone to agree. The list of wants is long and it seems to include the right to object to people not being that much interested in other’s wants.
Somehow it doesn’t seem reasonable there’s a Drag Queen chromosome.
You people get so triggered over people not wanting hate directed their way. It’s 2023, keep spewing hate and misinformation but it won’t help your “cause” at all.
What is the third sex?
Intersex. It’s literally called “intersex”.
Biology is much more complicated than you learned in 6th grade.
Intersex is not a third sex and they would like it if you stopped othering them like that.
Spoken like the woke,liberal miscreant !
Being “woke” is not a bad thing. Try it, you might like it. And other people may start to like you.
Yes, some babies are born with a bad heart, and doctors do surgery and fix it. It does not imply a 3rd sex is an option. Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. The Bible is the Word and the Word is the Truth. You can’t just make stuff up. You can have every surgery money can buy, you can use make up, you can lie to yourself, you can do everything possible and even the unimaginable, but chromosomes don’t lie and cannot be changed. XX or XY!! You also can’t lie to God. The Devil has to read your lips, so go tell the world all about who you want to be, preach away, but God can read your mind, no lie can ever go unnoticed! As the Pastor put on his sign, “Beware”
May God forgive and save us all! 🙏🏻
If all citizens on Earth came from Adam and Eve, how were their grandchildren conceived? Stop with the religious stuff. You’ll only get “Damn right” from people in your bubble and laughter from people who think you’re hiding behind religion for your bigotry.
Lot of incest going on back then. Brothers and sisters.
Yes, lots of incest going on. God was furious and had Noah build a boat, this boat was called, “Noah’s Arc”. When the Arc was completed, Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives, along with all the animals got on board. Then there was a great flood. All those sinners were killed. Noah and his family were chosen by God to restore the World’s Family Tree. Check every DNA company and every single person no matter what color or Country, and every person will come up with a percentage of Eastern European/Jewish, ie; the same DNA. Jesus was a Jew. This is not Rocket Science! This explains many things. People who call themselves “Scientists” have changed their agenda (or have been paid) and used their theories over Theological proof to use institutions to brainwash people like you to just bring hate, violence, and anger. Just as it was prophesied in the Bible. This world will get full of false preaching’s, the Anti-Christ will be exposed, and many will follow the darkness of the AC. We were all given a Free Will. Everyone has a right to choose Satin. I prefer Our God Almighty and I will be waiting for Jesus to return. I have a very strong faith.
To some who need physical proof…
What if I AM WRONG? No harm done, I didn’t hurt anyone. I lived a full loving, peaceful, faithful life.
If YOU ARE WRONG…you go to Hell, Burn in Fire, Cannibalism, Constant Evil, and it will suck to be you!
It’s your free will…
We know there was an Eve. She was a small African women and we all share her genetic code.
..and Adam, Eve, AND Steve.
Jerry Falwell Jr.
“The Bible is the Word and the Word is the Truth. You can’t just make stuff up. ”
It is absolutely hilarious that you wrote those sentences back to back with no sense of irony.
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Free speech means sometimes you will read things that you don’t like and hear opinions you don’t agree with. Get over it and hone your argument, there is a debate. The demands to do anything you want without anyone saying anything you don’t like is very telling. What is next? Burning Harry Potter books?
So, you’ll be joining the skinhead at the Inglewood city council meeting? I mean, you just said everyone has the right to live and raise their children …
Talk about hatred and racism, look around at all the White hate coming from democrat politicians.
This is America – people have the right to offend you. And you have the right to offend them. Grow up, People, you can’t legislate away others’ freedom to live and speak as they choose … either direction.
If you are tired of his sign, don’t read it and/or go to his services. Just like I’m tired of what’s going on at Gallagher’s, so I’ll just not patronize them. No protest needed.
Me thinks y’all really have an issue with the church being it’s not something you can easily boycott and get all your virtue signaling fiends to boycott too in order to hurt Rev B fiscally.
There are actually many limits on how we can live and rise our children, and that is appropriate for a civilization.
Whoa! A dose of reality in a sea of rhetorical extremism.
I find both extremes to be absolutely absurd.
How far are you willing to allow people to “raise their children how they deem its appropriate?”
And furthermore; little children don’t really notice male or female until 5 or 6 and it should be parents doing the explaining. Lusty images from media undermines their innocence also. Take me back to the fifties and a more modest society. I love creativity but this drag queen thing is cultural appropriation and leaves a lot of room for resentment
Sure, live and let live, but if you’re going to advertise your way of living in a place where it is known that ppl there have very different way of living you should expect some controversy. It’s like they are asking for it.
I think that’s what the skinheads in Inglewood remark up there is about.
Twisted River, I hear you. However, just try to look at it from a different angle. I am not judging from any angle myself. Law Enforcement goes to work and has to do their job based on what the Politicians have made law. Yet, when someone is given a ticket for whatever reason it is , they hate the “Cop” that gave them the ticket. Right? The cop was just doing their job and trying to make a living like everybody else. The Pastor of the Church, went to school and studied, and now is doing his job for his followers at that Church. This is his life’s work. He didn’t write Letters to the Editor, or Protest, he was speaking to His followers on His property, which He is expected to do to server His Saint’s and Disciples of God. All of you that are wanting peace and acceptance, then turn around and call Him a Bigot. Everyone is being a Hater! People can’t say, “Can’t we all get along?”, and in the very same comment call someone a “Hater.” Just saying. Consider this His job and some food for thought.
Respectfully Submitted.
C. I do understand that you see it as he is doing his job. I see it as hatred, just like the last time he posted something on his sign which was obviously aimed at the LGTBQ+ Community. Be more like Jesus…project kindness and love. I see him doing neither.
Not everybody has the right to raise their children in certain ways that’s a crock of bullshit this weird sex propaganda needs to stop and stay in wierd peoples bedrooms it’s disgusting.
If you think drag is offensive to women, you have a messed up idea of women.
Women are born not worn. Your idea of women is a “feeling” a magical essence any male could claim. It is puking glitter and shitting rainbows. It’s men claiming they have menstral cycles. It’s creepy transvestites in nun costumes.
I’ve got an idea! What if they stop involving the children completely and just do their own thing with other fully consenting adults in private?
It was a public gathering, not an orgy.
It’s entirely appropriate to take kids to public gatherings.
Obviously you didn’t see the video of the last one. It was entirely inappropriate for public let alone children.
I do not believe it has anything to do with indoctrinating children, but is wildly inappropriate.
It’s a protest about the freedom to engage in public orgies. The presence or absence of children at the protest is not relevant to what guest’ said.
Ferndale is known to be conservative and traditional. Are they trying to change the culture there to align with their LGBTQ culture? Why? Do your drag shows and “public gatherings” somewhere else to avoid controversy. Or is it controversy they are looking for?
Ferndale is also known for the foggy bottoms boys sooooooooo…….
✌️🫶
Oh and guy fieri , thé douche canoe, who bragged on his”hometown” special about feeding the needy yet was m.I.a. during the quakes.
Hmmmm…. If only I could decide which sort of person better represents Ferndale…🤔 Seems like fieri fits right in with the good ol boy bullshit.
So, it’s Foggy Bottoms Boys for the win!!
✊♥️💙💜🖤💛💚🧡🤎
Many thanks to the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence for showing up and showing out!
Search YouTube for Guy Fieri tmz hairdresser. Guy was raised as Guy Ferry but changed his name.
So, why do cowboys have their names embossed on the back of their belts?
They want to push their sickness on the children because they are sick freaks mentally and physically
This type of idiot rhetoric empowers the movement.
https://twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1569081215885402117?cxt=HHwWioCzia7Dv8YrAAAA
The people who are setting the guidelines in transing kids are also the people who host child sex abuse on sites by 3 academics. It should be a bigger deal but everyone is more worried about being branded a bigot and pronouns.
They offer no evidence linking the people named to the sites.
It is a video. The evidence is on the Reduxx website.
No it isn’t. That is exactly where I went searching for any evidence.
https://reduxx.info/john-money-the-pervert-who-invented-gender/
The “pervert who invented gender” seems like a solidly neutral article…….
If anyone wants to look at a still horrifying but less lurid version there is Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money Or just google Money.
The guy in the first picture is not a counter protester. He was there supporting the group. I know this because its me.
My apologies. I put this together and mixed the caption up. I am so sorry. I’ve fixed it and noted that I did so in the article to help alleviate confusion.
Why give the counter protester space in this article? Poor journalism imo
Because it is journalism not propaganda.
Has anyone asked what the sign maker actually thinks?
Hmm, have they? Have you?
Turns out, there’s some rogue journos out there and they have a video of Bramwell and KHUM as well as a readable Q&A …
Take a gander at Bramwell’s opinion:
https://lostcoastpopulist.com/bramwell-on-drag-show-cancelation/
Why not just say on the poster the show is for adults when putting on these fundraisers?
I am as far left as they get and I wouldn’t take my minor to a show like this. Not because of the sexual content but because the SPIs denigrate women and hide. Using an often abused and controlled subset of women to highlight LGBTQ equity is just not an effective means of communicating tolerance in 2023.
Womanface is just as insulting as blackface.
Are you a woman? Or have you designated yourself to speak for women? I don’t recall a backlash of women who are insulted by drag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4pfei-aXUA Women are insulted by drag.
Not this one. I am however, extremely jealous at their skill with make-up and hair.
Strong Women!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxDaiyREBPw
Okay, that was funny. Irrelevant to this discussion, but funny.
Is it irrelevant tho? No.
Well cerainly Drag Queens are even less able to speak for women yet that is all they do. While being defended by women for doing it. Yup. There is an issue there. Sort of like the women who make excuses for abusive boy friends. All the while saying sorry for being irritating.
Of course many women are raised not to object to being derided as women. They would be in a constant battle if they were as it is so pervasive. In fact they is a tendency to join in on the abuse as puts them in less jeopardy to align with those making fun of women if they notice it at all.
I am a woman & I am not offended.
You should identify yourself & speak for yourself.
You don’t speak for me, & I take offense on you trying to do that.
Yet not for men in drag doing it. What part of exaggerated make up, stilettos and wigs are not making a joke of women? Are we all Pat’s from SNL that you can’t tell who is the butt of the joke?
As a rule, I am against gay people who seem to have a need to show the world they are different. I don’t understand why they don’t just mind their own business. It has a big impact on a community that as a rule does not have many gay people living there. It also has an effect on the younger children who don’t understand why these folks are like they are. If they want to be queer OK, just don’t make a big deal out of it. They have a right to their opinion. They are just part of the melting pot of people in our society. I chose to just ignore them.
Wasn’t aware that Ferndale is a hot bed of gay activity.
Nor of religious fervor.
It is not. But I still chose to completely ignore them just like they do to me which is fine. I guess a gay person read my comment and gave me a red thumbs down. The article covering them if fine, but I don’t have to like it at all.
Is it ok if somebody we presume is hetero, to show the world they’re different? Like Dolly Parton?
I was not aware that Dolly Parton is hetero. Where did you find your information on her?
Lawrence is riffing off the term heterosexual which means attracted to someone of the opposite sex ie female attracted to male (as Dolly is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD8bW1rWqOA ) and the meaning of the hetero which is “different” and the fact that Dolly Parton (who I adore and who is an outspoken supporter of the gay community) is essentially a woman in a form of drag–big fake hair, breasts, eyelashes, excessive makeup.
Dolly Parton is a woman.
Dolly Parton has also been married to the same man forever, she is heterosexual.
Dolly Parton also has donated large sums of money to get books into the hands of children by giving them books. She is not twerking in front of them or advocating for being able to twerk in front of them.
I know this may be a surprise to you but…I absolutely agree with you that Dolly is all of that…as you might see if you read my comment explaining to Martin that hetero is not accusing Dolly of anything heinous just of being “different.”
However, she “falsely” over-exaggerates her feminine characteristics. I totally support her right to wear fake hair and have surgery to do whatever she wants to her body. But some folks here apparently have problems with other people doing the same.
Honestly, I adore her courage and her kindness.
Yes, she has exaggerated her appearance forever and has a very good sense of humor about it. She is an adult and I don’t have to approve or disapprove, she is not twerking in front of children. It is not the same.
On a personal note. The only woman I knew who had breast as large as Parton did (or does) had her’s surgically reduced to ease her back pain. She showed me the way her bra straps were cutting into her shoulders and I can easily understand why she wanted the reduction.
The Superbowl has women (and men) twerking in front of children. The TV has women and men twerking in front of children. Would I take my under 10 age kids to a show where people twerk? No.
So, no taking them to the Superbowl with Miley. Disney type movies only, etc. But I also know they did see belly dancing at the summer arts fair and other dancing that is really only different culturally from twerking. So…nah, I’m not going to get all uptight about other parents making different choices than I do.
The media grooms children. The superbowl is not child friendly it is a very violent sport that sometimes shows brutal injuries in real time.
Adults sometimes put their own wants and needs first ahead of children’s actual safety. I don’t think the NFL should be an example of child friendly entertainment and some parents just don’t seem to notice the blood.
Again, I am not taking a small child to the Superbowl (nor would I go myself) but I really don’t think that the worst thing a parent can do is take a child to a drag show or the Superbowl.
My point is that is within acceptable differences of opinion about what is child friendly. I don’t get to push my beliefs on whether kids should have sugar, go to a homophobic church, watch Miley, show up to a drag show, or swear onto other people’s families.
To paraphrase Tim, let’s save the outrage for actual pedophiles not for people we imagine might be pedophiles because outwardly they are very different from us.
Men who respect the innocence of childhood would not push Drag Queens on children and demand access. Sorry, I think you are misguided in your desire to “be kind” blindly so even.
The only people who would be “pushing” the drag show on children were parents who brought their children. Just having the show doesn’t constitute demanding access to kids.
My mother “pushed” me to church. My dad “pushed” me to do camping trips. No one demanded they do so.
I think you are misguided in your attempts to blame the drag community for “pushing” when they are welcoming–those are two different things
There should not be Drag Shows for children. Sorry, you just don’t understand what you are supporting for “parents who take their kids to drag shows”. I think it is well meaning but naive and it will impact children to allow it. Safe guarding children should be more important than a bunch of adults getting their yayas out cross dressing.
I’m an old lesbian who lived in SF during the 80s. I think I know a heck of a lot more about about homosexual history and why SPI is not suitable for children’s entertainment in any way shape or form.
And I’m an old parent who has kids.
Individual parents can make the choice about individual drag performances here being appropriate much better than you can determine the ability of the child, the wildness of the crowd, and the inappropriateness of each performer.
You clearly have a particular animus against drag. You are well within your rights not to like it and even to speak out against it. But, that doesn’t mean that you are acting any differently than anyone yelling that they don’t want a lesbian around their daughters because she must be grooming them.
Grouping people into one huge stereotype is rarely helpful.
I’m not asking anyone to managle their language to accommodate my easily definable sexuality. And no one notices my lesbianism at all in a bathroom. I certainly don’t have any interest in having sex there. eww.
Your comment is just awful.
You were asking (and reasonably so) for people to go against their deeply held moral beliefs that sex should be between opposite sexes. You were asking mainstream society to make hard changes to accommodate your identity.
And, as to lesbianism not being identifiable in a bathroom, a) not all trans people are easily identifiable in a bathroom and certainly most of them are not interested in bathroom sex (where the heck did that come from?) b) some women are actively couples in the bathroom (not having sex just being in love)–obviously lesbian and I can’t see where it hurts anyone. As long as a trans person using a restroom is not being creepy, as long as a lesbian using a restroom is not being creepy, as long as a heterosexual woman in a restroom is not being creepy…then they aren’t harming anyone else and should just be left alone.
But how did we get from Drag shows being kid friendly to trans people in bathrooms? That’s a bit of a jump.
Lesbians are women. “transwomen” are males. Males do not belong in women’s bathrooms. It is easily definable.
I remind myself you live miles from town and are unlikely to ever see what the problem is in real life. Lucky you.
You know, disparaging rural folks as uninformed is not a good look. A) I’m well-read B) I am a woman and have been using bathrooms at the same time as women who have transitioned were using the bathroom–both when I knew it was happening and, most likely, when I wasn’t aware. Not a single problem.
If there are people of any gender in a bathroom (or anywhere) behaving badly there are laws to cover that. And if they aren’t behaving in a creepy way, then…let’s make that the non-event it is and go about our lives.
Gender-neutral bathrooms are fine, but for the sake of pee-dribbled toilet seats bring back the urinals!
Snort!
Hear hear! Although, for me it’s more about men peeing all over the floor. Women pee on the seats too, but no one calling themselves a woman should ever be peeing on the floor! Eew.
Parochial is defined by relying on personal experience as opposed to empathy. I have been assaulted in a public bathroom. I would rather there was such a rigid social convention about males of any kind using them then worry even more whether I can take a piss in safety. Or being forced to ignore alarm bells about a person because it is prejuidiced to do so. It’s not perfect security by any means but it does improve it.
Your faith in laws as a preventative is sort of odd for a person talking so much about the freedom to decide which laws are bad and need to be ignored.
I’ve been assaulted on dates and walking down the street by an old woman. I do not assume all men are assaulters nor all old women. I assume that we have laws to deal with people who are breaking them. And we have the ability to ignore what is or isn’t in someone’s pants.
Have to say, as much as I appreciate drag queens and the statements they are making and support the gay community.. men in women’s bathrooms can be a real safety issue for women. I often travel by myself for hundreds and sometimes thousands of miles and use public bathrooms in isolated places.. I’m a little old to worry too much about it, but other women are not.
It’s the hetero men who try to use women’s bathrooms who creep me out, not gay men in drag. I welcome any gay or non-creepy trans women into any women’s bathroom – so long as they don’t pee on the floor! That said, it does open up a way for those hetero creeps to enter into women’s spaces. Which is not in any way OK.
Ah! A welcoming protest.
She will push the same narrative as any money making modern entity they go along with what makes money. If she says she hates drag she will lose her website money making. Same as all tv stations. Sexually fueled gay parades she supports and she says you should cover your kids eyes so the wierd sexual gay cross dressing mentally backwards people can put on their gay show .
Your comments validate their actions
Sigh…I promise you that my personal opinions are not for sale. Otherwise, I’d just delete about half of the comments that cause me problems with advertisers and with gathering information from departments.
Great comment I agree.
It does sound as if you were implying the church in Ferndale is homophobic.
I think anyone that announces that “Hurt by LGBTQ Culture? Healing here” is prioritizing the feelings of those who don’t want someone to express who they are over those who are hurt by being told to suppress who they are…So yes, I think they are homophobic.
That said, unlike some folks, I don’t think homophobic is an incurable condition nor worthy of hate. I think it is best cured by helping them see the error of their ways–not by scribbling hate on their church signs or interrupting their worship.
What if you are an incurable agnostic. Should churches be banned?
No, of course not. My whole position is leave folks alone when they aren’t hurting you.
Yet some are actually being hurt by LGBTQ “culture”, I just think reality is the medicine not another religion. LGBTQ is not a monolith as the political lobby tries to tell you it is. Everything after LGB is mostly straight people with extra steps and kinks.
It is extremely rare that any male can pass as female on sight. The hands, feet, shoulders, hips, and beard give them away.
I do not understand the importance of whether some folks look more or less traditionally masculine than others to the debate on whether drag is inherently evil. I do not decide on whether someone is good or bad or trustworthy with children based on their hands, feet, shoulders, hips or beards…though those folks with muttonchop sideburns do make me suspicious in general.
Scribbling on the sign is true violence as outlined in legislation.
This might be surprising but citizens here potentially have a lot more say over whether or not sexually suggestive performances are put on for all ages locally, than we do over the programming of the super bowl halftime show.
I’m not Christian and I’m not conservative, yet I would prefer if halftime shows did not include twerking. I haven’t seen a super bowl halftime show since the ’90s but I am kind of surprised they include twerking today.
“Culturally different” can mean different in a very significant and profound manner. After all we belong to a culture!
I don’t think these children are going to grow up to be transsexual because they watched a racy drag show, nor do I think this is in any way an attempt to indoctrinate children into an alternative lifestyles, but I do find it to be appallingly bad parenting.
Now what is the difference between the drag show proponents selling their wares to the public locally and Miley Cyrus selling hers on TV? Well for one, Miley Cyrus is actually selling her wares. The local Drag Queens are making fun off other people’s wares, the more exaggerated they can ridicule, the more fun. If they can’t deride what they are not, they don’t exist. They’d just be cross dressers. Can you even imagine what would be said if their show needed to exaggerate stereotypes based on race or disability or ethnicity? How many Progressives would be defending their doing that as if it was some intrinsic need of humanity and the people who complained were bigots? Or would they be defending those they ridicule?
The next difference is that Miley Cyrus has yet to show up in town, protesting that her rights were being violated by some critic complaining -gasp- in public that they found her act lewd, crude or unfunny and not suitable for children. I suppose she might actually agree and embrace the critic’s words as true but irrelevant to her life. She sells a product, just like the Drag Queens but she doesn’t confuse product with herself. She certainly would not lack humor about herself and rally the troops to support what she sells by – wait a minute- what actually could she expect from such a theoretical protest? That the critics be executed? Jailed? Put in a ducking stool like a punishment for a scolding women? What do the Drag protesters want? The same?
Let’s face it. Drag Queens and the people who defend them from the evil religious have just co opted the sympathy given to victims in real life to market their own agenda. Which seems to require meeting a pompous seriousness with an even more pompous seriousness. And those who treat the whole kerfuffle as an important issue have confused a commercial product for a human right. This has all the esthetic of a Saturday Night skit but the audience is not allowed to laugh. Humorless bastards abound. Which actually is a great place from which to enjoy the humor.
Dolly kicks ass..
Because she knows people find her over the top but as she put it herself “It takes a lot of time and money to look this cheap, honey.” She likes what she likes and she doesn’t have to hate those who criticize. She considers it a persona that she is marketing. Not real. But she respects it even while laughing at it herself.
https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/it-costs-me-a-lot-of-money-to-look-this-cheap-6696737.html
The worst thing about Progressives in America is that it is being trapped in a room which people who hold the most ridiculous ideas but who aggressively attack you if you dare laugh.
She actually has big ears. Bless her heart. Just more to love.
I’ve never noticed her ears!
Even Parton would find that funny. Never noticed her ears.
I was totally focused on her dimples….
Of course.
I’m not seeing any comments from someone who has a problem with women enhancing their femininity through artificial means.
I also don’t recall her dancing in a sexually suggestive manner in front of children.
I do think it is usually pathetic but then I’d rather not risk hurting her feelings by announcing my opinion out loud. But there is a point where that sort of exaggeration goes beyond exaggeration and becomes dangerous. Then the tension between not wanting to hurt someone’s feeling and not wanting them to encourage what is dangerous in others is seriously strained.
Drag Queens individually themselves fall into the first category but, if it seemed that others were being hurt by Drag Queens imposing their esthetic on the public, they might fall into the latter. Whether including children in their sexualized shows is that far that that the strain is too much , IDK personally. But clearly it is for some. Whatever Drag Queens are, there is no intrinsic right to make a joke out of others and demand others to refrain from criticism. No one should take Drag Queens or themselves so seriously as to protest a preacher exercising their right to free speech on a sign in front of their church. Respect is a very slippery thing to demand as a right. It usually becomes the abuse it claims to find objectionable.
Dolly’s clothes, makeup etc are mostly pretty darn sexually suggestive. She exaggerates sexuality for money and is dang adorable doing it as well as having a stunning voice.
Drag queens are playing around with gender stereotypes. Someday people will be as astonished at the folks here making a fuss about their doing so as we are astonished that women wearing pants were jailed.
I don’t really know about her private life, but she was married,and I know she tried to warn off Jolene…
The quality of the difference matters. You know though you do- quite inadvertently I’m sure- make a point. How the difference is displayed matters.
If a person loves wearing huge rhinestone necklaces, they will be looked at. Generally they want that attention or they would avoid wearing it. Sometimes looked at with humor, sometimes with admiration, sometimes with distaste, sometimes with just curiosity. But, if they wear a giant disrespectful word outlined in rhinestones, they can expect a more pronounced reaction from all. The point is that it ceases to be a personal predilection and becomes intrusive demand for attention. OK in an entertainer in a show but not so ok in casual contact or political rally unless they are looking to provoke. Then it is pretty whiny to expect to provoke only positive reactions.
Martin, what you are saying is pretty close to “stay in the closet”. Enough said about that. But if you think there are fewer gay people in any given community, that’s just inaccurate. Gay folks are a percentage of any population, that’s just a biological fact. It’s just that some cultures do not accept it. As we did not in this country when you and I were young. My favorite aunt would visit us with her “friend”, because there was no coming out back then; you could lose your job or be subject to violence. The closet door has opened and they are not going back in.
Why don’t you mind your business? If you’re against gay people, don’t be one. If you’re against drag, don’t dress up. If you’re against gay marriage, don’t marry someone of the same sex. Why do YOU get to dictate what people can and can’t do? Religion? There are those of us who are not religious, don’t bring it in to our lives and don’t force it on others. What a concept!
I have the freedom just like you do to state how I feel concerning a certain subject, which in this case is gay people. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Adam. I have not called them names or poked fun at them in anyway. I am also not trying to force religion of any sort on you or the gay folks. If you don’t like me that’s fine, but please allow me not to like you.
oh shit! nothing rhymes with martin except martin!
fartin
May the gas be with you.
Good one, Martin! Well played on many levels.
Somewhat inappropriate for children, but imo so is much of “modern dance”.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AxaPiBT7PaQ#menu
Anyone who opposes drag queens because they find them sexually provocative, should be taking a closer look at themselves. Try buying a pink wig, you might like it. It’ll make your inner drag queen feel better.
Seems that in fact is the raisons d’être of drag queens. Being sexually provocative. Otherwise they would just be odd looking women going about their own business without shows.
LOL
Sure “Sister Mary Magdalaid Me is not a sexually provocative name for a man in womanface.
Suuuuure.
I grew up around drag queens, I was never harmed or molested. I was never encouraged to dress in drag. Drag queens were the first people who truly accepted me exactly as I am. I was taken in an shown great kindness, they looked out for me, and they made me laugh. Every troubled kid needs a drag queen in their life.
And what characteristics were they the first to accept?
Why would they accept you as you are? They couldn’t even accept themselves. If they were so accepting they would just accept themselves without surgeries and hormones.
So this means you are against all forms of physical modification? Or does getting your hair cut mean you can’t accept yourself as you are? Or shaving? Dyeing your hair? Getting a piercing or a tattoo? Wearing clothes for something other than protection from the environment? Botox? Boob jobs? Liposuction? Knee replacement? Cataract surgery? Do I have to wear a beard but not a mustache because hair on the upper lip is offensive to god?
Exactly where is the line for what’s appropriate modification? Because different cultures have very different ideas about all of this and assuming that you, personally, have the only acceptable standards is asinine.
All the rest of your complaining is simply you being offended that other people aren’t like you. Grow a pair and have the courage to let others be different. It won’t hurt you at all.
Dude, I am saying these men in drag need to leave the kids alone. You seem to be okay with grooming.
You are using a demonstrably false pretext to generate sympathy for an odious viewpoint. There is no widespread ‘grooming’ by either the broader lgbtq community or the drag community specifically.
That is simply fear mongering and you know it.
I suggest looking at what gays and lesbians have to say about groomers and the trans community. There is group called Gays Against Groomers and I’d suggest you consider what they have to say.
So do you condemn all Catholics because a significant number of priests not only groomed but assaulted kids and the Church protected them? Or do you accept that there were some priests who were bad and everyone else is just fine?
The LGBTQ community is like every other group of people — a mix of good and bad actors. Stop trying to paint the entire community as evil because of the actions of an isolated few.
But we are not talking about catholics we are talking about adult men in womanface who do sexualized adult performances for tips in bars who protesting about not being allowed contact with other people’s children. You make every excuse. It’s creepy.
You’re right, the obsession with thinking this (drag queens, etc.) being some kind of pedophilia is creepy. Just not in the way you think.
Let me state clearly that I think any form of pedophilia is abhorrent no matter which adult does it and it should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. There is no difference in my opinion between a Catholic priest or a drag queen, or the far more likely case of a parent or relative, who does it — it’s clearly wrong. So focus on that and not this made-up bogeyman of drag or trans folks that you keep insisting on. At this point it’s just a conservative dog-whistle.
I honestly think that the reason the right wing has taken to accusing members of the alphabet community of grooming is because of how blatantly and unfairly they have been called racist.
They figure if they’re going to be unfairly labeled as racist then they’ll come right back at the liberals with a taste their own medicine.
John Money is the inventor of the trans child.
https://reduxx.info/john-money-the-pervert-who-invented-gender/
Keep your sex life in your bed like the rest of world. Why a parade to tell people you are gay. Stay away from our kids it’s weird.
Yes. Grooming in as much as my hair is neat, my pits and legs are shaved, my teeth are brushed. Hundreds of repubs have been arrested and convicted of offenses against children, some too horrible to imagine. I suggest you check your own party before accusing anyone of anything so horrific as abusing a child. I’d leave my child with a drag queen in a heartbeat for a reading hour. I wouldn’t let them out of my sight in a room full of repub men.
Wow! Spoken like a true idiot! You people are wackos!
You seem to be confusing male pedophiles with men in drag.
I know, Catholic Priests do wear dresses & that might be why you are so confused.
You can tell Catholic Priests apart from Drag Queens by the Priests lack of style, bland outfits, make up & fun wigs.
Do you object to Catholic priests going into public venues and lecturing children about religion? Pedophile or not. Because they might lead children into believing things that are dangerous to them? Even if some parents are fine with it? Children are the line where personal opinion becomes less important in many things- there are restrictions based on age for many things from purchasing porn to smoking. Want to eliminate all such restrictions? If not, why is a Drag Show that would be banned for children if women did it different? The clip that was in comments about the gay pride event certainly was not about great costumes.
Frankly, Drag Queens are as difficult an issue as toddler beauty pageants. Even when not overtly having sexual displays, they are based on pandering hyper-sexualizing. Whatever the answer is, it is unlikely that the same people protesting in support of Drag Queens would show up to support parents putting their toddlers in beaty pageants. There is a whole lot of hypocrisy going on either way.
Actually it can hurt people. Especially when tolerance for everything becomes an invitation to abuse. A person can get a boob job if they choose but, if society demands any extreme surgical procedure tolerable, then there are going to be people who are willing to get damaging ones because they have been persuaded that it will improve their lives. Maybe even fix their problems.
I have a sneaking feeling that making gender transition surgery a matter of “tolerance” is going to damage not a few , especially vulnerable adolescents, leaving them with life long health problems at the least. Mental issues unresolved too. There is in fact way too much stereotyping going on in such tolerance. Maybe the true tolerance is accepting that there are all kinds of variations in humans that does not claim massive surgery as the fix. Like there will be effeminate men who can be successfully heterosexual in lifestyle or women who have manly attributes doing the same. Maybe the main problem is that people want the “easy” fix to a problem that mostly does not exist except in stereotype prejudice and can never be fixed with surgery. Maybe a person is generally better off figuring how to best be what they are rather than making irrevocable cuts they think will change them into something that is never going to satisfying. The idea of life long dependence on hormone replacement should be scary.
A large part of the problem is that liberals are just as bound by stereotypes as the far right. Surely a lot of questionable behavior is the result of not so much being attracted to the same sex (or opposite) nor of liking to dress in clothes usually found in a gender but of needing popularly recognized signals to avoid social awkwardness. It’s hard to pigeon hole everyone so no one has to deal with uncertainty in social interactions but maybe that is the price of real tolerance.
Yeah, it’s just like tolerating those darned uppity women in Iran who don’t want to be killed for not wearing a head scarf. You start tolerating that and soon they’ll want to drive, or vote, or work!
FFS, I don’t know what it’s like to be a trans person and based on your comment, you don’t either. What I can know is that what they decide to do will in no way diminish my life or my family’s life. Nor will it affect yours unless you get worked up about the decisions someone else makes.
There are far more relevant reasons to get pissed off at the behaviors of others. Like tossing trash or coal-rolling or assaulting my ears with extremely loud cars or music. But being gay or trans? Couldn’t give a fuck less.
These people are extremely fragile snowflakes that are incapable of thinking their positions through to their logical conclusion.
In Iran those women are being beaten and killed because they are female.
You have no idea what it is like to be female. You will never be female.
Try something new- reading carefully before declaring an opinion. All the way to the bottom and no inserting of your own fiction.
So you’re equating objecting to drag queen shows to wholesale murdering women for being an object of desire? Hello? Objectifying women does end up killing them and what else is drag? You really think clothes make the woman? Or surgery does? You think being a woman is that simple?
Trans and drag queens are not the same thing. And somehow, as usual with people intolerant of having their opinions questioned, extremes only are discussed. This article was about a drag queen protest of a religious sign denigrating child attending a drag show. It was not about murdering women nor drag queens nor gay people. And my comment was not about whether they should be allowed to exist. Even if I wanted that power, which I don’t, I don’t have it.
The point being made is objecting to any criticism to the point that no mention of the negatives is tolerated is what leads to the insanity of comparing the Ferndale protest to religious murder of Muslim women. You’d think that it would be important to discuss the price paid for surgery to change gender as well as benefits. Just out of concern for others. Who might not understand the price because no one was allowed to talk about it. Want to bet whether gender affirming surgery remorse might not be a headline in fifteen years? Because there is one thing I’ve learned from personal experience and watching others- surgeons almost always think surgery will fix a rainy day. It is part of the make up that allows them to do what they do. And unfortunately, patients who want desperately want their lives fixed are good at manipulating people into doing what they want without realizing they may not get the benefit they think. Attention to public perception is needed to be careful as reality can make it that they are not fooling themselves.
Not to tolerate such discussion because their choices don’t effect me is untrue and as stupid as saying if someone steals from my neighbor, it is not my business. If you thought what you said was true yourself,you would also think what I think about the issue is none of your business and not say anything. Quit be so hypocritical. Of course normalizing drag effects me, whether for good or evil or both. Frankly if normalizing drag ever becomes reality, drag shows would cease to exist for the same reason every woman does not run around with giant fake eyelashes, bustiers and six inches spike heels. It is too much effort. And painful. If the result is not exceptionally attengiin, effort just ends.
They want sharia law in America. No joke.
These people are comical and disgusting. Get out of others faces and quiet enjoyment.
Normal people find it difficult to grasp the reality, that predators really do think differently.
You mean Catholic priests, right?
Anyone can be a predator
You mean pedo joe right! All the democrats were on Epsteins island!
They Gay lifestyle and identity is bad for the people who adopt it. Trans people are much higher likely to commit suicide. Personally i would ban all behavior like this, Your not welcomed in our community, you all need to leave. We as Christians have the right to stand up for the truth, your wicked satanism will be the destruction of yourself.
Self awareness at its best…attitudes like “you’re not welcome” are not at all a cause of people feeling enough despair and loneliness that they commit suicide in higher numbers than the rest of the community as a whole.
Part of the “not welcome” as far as Christianity is concerned is that “sister Mary” the drag is clearly attacking Christianity based on the sacrilegious name chosen to make fun of a Biblical character. That name in and of itself is hate speech to Christians. So pardon me if I don’t roll out the welcome mat to a clear example of hatred. There is no greater example of hate than this individual. Plus, remember what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah for this kind of behavior. Jesus would love to save everyone if He could, but this individual and likely most of this group who bash Him and His followers are likely lost eternally.
It’s kind of hard for me to remember Sodom and Gomorrah…I’m a little young for that.
And, if I believed that Jesus was the Son of God (and if I believed in a white man on a gold throne god), I’d have to think that the man who changed water into wine and hung out with prostitutes and said to love everyone would think the sister would be a lot more his style than the tightlipped preacher threatening hell to anyone who doesn’t follow this particular narrow culture’s view of what is right among all the other very large amount of cultures that have existed throughout time and throughout the world.
God save us from those who claim to be Christians but have no idea what a true Christian is.
They need to pay closer attention to their New Testament and it’s teachings.
Hear, hear. My Lord and Savior welcomes everyone.
Well that is just silly. Jesus made a whip of cords and flipped over tables as he drove money changers from the temple. He was not some uber tolerant hippie.
Jesus condoned the beating of slaves and the mistreatment of women.
He would not have been cool with homosexuality as it is very clearly condemned by his religion.
For the record I find all the abrahamic religions to be primitive, dangerous and extremely loosely connected to any sort of actual fact.
Also, Jesus was a jewish rabbi. He taught the Torah not the New Testimate.
For the record, I’m an atheist and the contradictions of the Bible are difficult to swallow if you are to try and take them as the literal word of god with no errors. But over and over again for the vast majority of the writings that contain his teachings, the Jesus portrayed there chose love and rarely chose anger. One could argue chasing the moneychangers from the temple is his human side-letting anger overtake him–but I’m not here to try and sort out the contradictions or to provide a defense of the characterization of Jesus (though…it’s been awhile since I read the Bible, I sure as heck don’t remember ” the beating of slaves and the mistreatment of women” being part of the New Testament. And the Jesus I read about in the gospels, never mentioned homosexuality. He did say he was there to fulfil the law of old and bring in new ways.
You don’t have to swallow them. Any more than the Christians have swallow your ideas. But respect enough to express your opinion in ways that avoid in your face assertions should be. The stories in the Bible about Jesus were chosen for public consumption by men who were selling religion. Jesus never farted in those stories but you know he certainly did. The story about the woman who was going to be stoned for adultery should be illuminating as to what love Jesus displayed. She was saved but told not to sin again. Not that the sin was fine.
Frankly there are fads in socialism and religion equally. Both emphasized what ever the mood of the times are without mentioning contradictions. God is all love at the moment as is all socialism. The God of Wrath is out of popular favor as is the idea that people are innately self centered and not so nice is with socialists. Thus Progressives in comments here never mention the violence, drug addiction, mental incapability or thievery among indigent homeless but always mention providing them with homes, treatment and funds while ignoring they will likely burn the house down, there are never enough funds to fix their problems and there are no actual treatments that do not have objectionable side effects. Nor do they mention the harms of flooding the labor market with illegal labor but instead condemn anyone who mentions it. Same with environmental, sexual promiscuity, drug issues or anything else. Silence about the negative. Religion is no different but it is certainly no worse. Sometimes a lot better. The end result is everyone feels it’s someone else who is a problem and needs fixing. And what can be fixed is not because it means acknowledging there are things that can’t be fixed. Either with buckets of money, attention or love.
Are we going to continue to tolerate the priesthood dressing up in unique gowns, and accepting money for their performances?
Looking at some of the comments I’m not sure the priesthood is much tolerated…
I don’t believe in the priesthood other than Jesus Christ. The papacy, priesthood and many other supposedly Christian orders are not. They are man made “religious” positions. Jesus said He is the Way, the Truth and the Light. There is no other way to salvation. No human can save anyone. But, evil humans can certainly use bad influence to assist humans into not being part of salvation.
Jesus didn’t believe in priests why should you?
Perhaps watch some Monty Python. Stuff is fab.
That theory doesn’t stand up to scrutiny Kym.
Why don’t the suicide numbers improve post surgery?
Why did slaves and imprisoned Jews have much, much lower rates of suicide attempts than trans people? Do you honestly think that trans people have it worse in Woke 2023 America than the slaves did or the Jews in concentration camps? The only group that has a similar rate of suicide attempt are schizophrenics… that may not be coincidence.
I agree the “you’re not welcome” attitude is not helping things, but it certainly is not the cause of all the problems in the group.
I don’t know that slaves and imprisoned Jews have lower rates of suicide. But let’s agree that is true. Slaves and “imprisoned” (I’m thinking you mean in concentration camps) Jews have probably a similar reaction to marijuana growers who were being sought by law enforcement–they form a brotherhood with each other that makes them feel like they belong. Belonging is the difference. Whereas trans people are taught by much of media, many community members that they are unwelcome, and unloveable–so much so that a supposedly loving God is willing to throw them into eternal fires and torture them forever. Pretty much the recipe for creating loneliness and self-hate in vulnerable youth.
That’s just my speculation. But according to several studies including this one: “For transgender or gender non-conforming individuals, as rejection from family members increases, so does their likelihood of suicide attempts or substance abuse, according to a new study” https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-transgender-suicide-rejection/for-trans-people-family-rejection-tied-to-suicide-attempts-substance-abuse-idUSKCN0YI22T
This seems to suggest that at least in part, “you’re not welcome” is a form of abuse that can lead to death.
I wonder how many youth are simply rebelling and this is the chosen outlet. Parents generally don’t “put up with” all rebellion for the sake of the child who is going through a scientific phase. To hoodwinked children under 18 into any sort of sexual choice is barbaric.
A lot, of my “goth” friends are no longer “goth.”
*Becoming queer on one’s own is a fact that few *truly* go through … that it is so drastically over-prescribed today is not scientifically natural and is, in itself, an act of violence if it is spoken of to children, for that is child abuse.
Speaking of folks choosing to change their sex to children is an act of violence? …Nope don’t believe that.
“our community”…you do not own the community.
I wonder how many of “Christians” In Ferndale looking down their noses at others’ sexuality or self-expression are continually fondling animals genitals? Don’t machines have to be placed on a cow’s breasts to extract milk? How many “harvest” semen from a prized bull, stallion, ram or Billy goat? How many insert harvested semen from an animal into the vagina of the animal they wish to impregnate? For “normal” folk, regardless of our sexuality, playing with animals genitals for ANY reason is kinda strange. But you do you, Mr. Covington.
OMG you are a bigot against farmers in Humboldt?
Ready for the asteroid, seen everything.
I sure hope with that illogical rant that you are vegan. Because, if you eat eggs you are consuming an animal’s attempt at reproducing. If you drink milk, it is harvested by, as you say, molestation. Then, if you eat meat, it may be the offspring of acts of molestation. By in any way being a consumer of any animal product, even using leather you become a voluntary supporter of this behavior.
You see, Christians are not perfect, they just live a life trying to pattern their lifestyle after the instructions and examples of Jesus Christ. He loves all people, yet doesn’t condone a lifestyle of self serving. Whenever He saw evil, He spoke up against it and tried to save the person, not the behavior. It’s a matter of focus. Is your focus on self or Jesus is the difference.
No, I’m not vegan. Quite the contrary. No I don’t drink milk. I prefer to drink liquids I can see through. Nowhere did I mention molestation.
I did, however, point out the hypocrisy of Mr. Covington’s comment. Now… do, or do not the “Christians” of the farms of Ferndale touch animals genitalia on a regular basis? I’ve eaten many elk, deer, antelope, and some mountain lion. (Wish I could eat panther much more often than I do). But not ONCE did I fondle their genitalia when butchering or preparing any of them.
This whole kerfuffle over a drag performance is beyond ridiculous. If the show was advertised as family friendly, it shouldn’t be an issue. The element missing from all of these comments and from the pastor of the church condemning it is this: if “Christian” or any other parents do not want their kids to see it, why would they take them? For that matter, why would the kids be in church if their parents didn’t take them? No kids would be harmed by a good bit of comedy performed by what may be a man dressed as a woman. Think about it. Are parents taking their kids to strip clubs? It’s up to the parents to decide what their children consume, ingest or experience. But those parents that are averse to a drag performance do not get to dictate to other adults what they may want to experience, and what they want to expose their kids to. If this were a publicly funded venue, such as a school performance, that would be a different conversation. Sexuality in any form does not need to be taught in our schools. Doesn’t anyone remember puberty? The kids are going to be confused enough on their own at some point or another, but the kids will be alright. This is is just a battle of wills between members of the far right and the far left. A microcosm of the discourse in America today. Nothing more, nothing less. If I would have been producing or promoting that show I would have figured out an impolite way to tell the pastor to stay in his lane and the show would have gone on. There’s plenty of tolerant folks in Ferndale and the Eel River Valley that would have probably packed the house. And these antics are almost going to assure a sellout. (Actually, the promoter might have anticipated how much free publicity could be had by injecting a dose of controversy. The pastor has probably done more to promote this event than any handbills could have.)
As for Jesus? John 3:15, bub. He died on the cross to save us from our sins. He ain’t happy we’re sinning, but loves us anyway. And I hardly think a comedic drag performance would be looked upon as a mortal “sinny, sin, sin!” – Bernie Mac as Pastor Clever in “Friday”.
Then he asked Smokie for a little bag for his glaucoma…
Now, let me get this straight. It’s somehow wrong to breed livestock and get more livestock with artificial insemination ( common with humans as well) and wrong to milk livestock for the nourishment of humanity, but it’s ok to kill livestock and eat it. Wow! Now I know the last place I will look for moral guidance and the first to look for actual hypocrisy!
Your comprehension and obtuseness dictates that you look in a mirror for the hypocrisy. Moral guidance is quite another issue.
So you favor commitment rather than involvement for the cow?
Well, gosh, if the cow is providing nourishment and a means to wealth for the farmer, who can’t find his ass with both hands without the sexual organs of the cow? Yeah, the cow needs a commitment from the farmer, wouldn’t you say?
Kinda look like a bunch of circus clowns to me. How can anyone take em serious
I fully support this event and the goals they are advocating. The rise in homophobia and racism has been alarming since Trump was elected. I would like to offer a suggestion though, ‘gender non conforming and queer is understandable but adding the description…non dominant culturally expressing expressing humans’ is just overkill description of same thing, probably used in academia regularly, but you are talking to the general public. I feel the ever expanding descriptions are what cause people to get defensive because the average person just can’t keep up to even remain PC.
To old gays and lesbians, like myself, who lived through real homophobia “queer” is a slur.
Most of the people calling themselves “queer” are actually heteros with kinks and extra steps. For example the hetero S&M crowd considers themselves “queer”. Queer and Trans are new additions to the LGB lobby. There are many examples of hetero couples both transitioning and staying married, they consider themselves queer/trans. The kinksters also want to gain extra rights and some are very predatory.
Queer Nation. It’s taking a slur and making it your own.
IE: The rap group NWA….
No. It is kinky heteros and pervs deciding they want special rights.
And no, black people are not okay with you calling them that.
Let’s go with fay fay fruitloops! Weirdos!
Red meat comment section for the knuckle draggers..best not to read the comments. My family and I support people whoever they are, as long as they are good people and keep to themselves.
Always good to see the mindset of people on here.
Amazing what some people think and a warning to be aware of.
But I guess most of these commenters don’t really go out in society that much, mostly just typing away in their moldy trailers between cigarette breaks. It would be terrible if we were to judge our community by the ugly comments.
IMO the public vastly overestimates how much racism/hatred there actually is and this growing misconception is making people miserable
Has there ever been a more accepting moment in history than the present? At what point in history would you rather exist? we’ve made an unbelievable amount of social progress in a relatively short amount of time, and acknowledgment that this trend will continue can make life a lot more pleasant.
Agreed but we still need to keep evolving. Is dressing in woman face and denigrating women the most effective way to teach tolerance? Maybe time to evolve a bit, take off the mask, the fake breasts and eyelashes and actually teach.
I’m curious.
Big wigs were once a fashion thing for men. Wearing makeup was once a way men showed off their wealth and refinement. Egyptian men wore eye makeup (so did other men in other cultures)
What makes modern day men unable to wear these things.
But let’s skip that. While wearing traditional black face is appalling as the intent was to mock black people, the intent of wearing drag doesn’t seem to be to mock women. I’m sure each individual has their own reason for wearing drag but as a whole, wearing drag works to dismantle gender stereotypes (only women wear makeup, only women wear wigs, only women have high voices, only women walk with a sway). So isn’t that teaching?
I don’t feel denigrated when I see drag queens. I see someone seeking fun, stepping outside norms and playing with gender norms. Drag pushes back against the boundaries set by society on what is okay for men and women to do. And since those boundaries (makeup and wigs and mannerisms) can change in value during different parts and in different places, maybe they shouldn’t be set in stone?
The fact that social boundaries exist is what creates uniqueness and ‘norm pushing’ in the first place. Forcing everyone else to normalize your uniqueness would be counterproductive. Planning events specifically outside of the Ferndale church is not celebrating the cause, it’s taking the cause on the offensive. We know in our own personal lives that forcing people to like you is a fool’s errand and usually ends up backfiring, social movements are no different. Most people fully accept the LGBTQ community, but I’m not so sure its reciprocated
Charles Dickens, a Christmas Carol , to quote Tiny Tim, “ God bless us, everyone.” Keep it simple. Don’t throw stones.
Tiny Tim was a starving crippled child. Of course he kept it simple it’s not like he had any agency.
Not for me. Sorry. But that’s an aside.
There’s a difference between a drag/regular fashion show and a drag/regular burlesque show as far as age appropriateitude is concerned.
Why does everything have to turn political? I can’t believe that crap gets trap in one’s mind and never stops. Live your life and who gives a crap about that other stuff.
To my Christian brethren, preach the Bible to the LGBTQ. Tell them the truth exactly how it is written. But do it in love.
Love them to the Lord and take some time in your secret place to PRAY for them. Pray for their salvation. You wouldn’t want them to go to Hell would you?
It’s not Gods will that ANY should perish.
You can stand up for what you believe, I do it all the time and I don’t back down.
But God won me to Himself not by meanness and threats of Hell, but with His LOVE! Do I believe in Hell? ABSOLUTELY and I’m doing my best not to go there.
The Lord ook the punishment for MY sin. And let me go. And I have done plenty wrong.
Because of that act of LOVE, I chose to willingly repent and turn away from my sinful deeds. To walk the narrow road.
It was the scribes and Pharisees Jesus had a problem with, was it not?
Jesus Christ preached on Hell more than anyone. Repent! The kingdom of Heaven is at hand!
I believe in freedom of expression and our inalienable rights but I don’t think it’s right to be Sacrilegious.
Thank you for this story; any “church” that excludes others is not a “church.” We were not traumatized by Milton Berle or Flip Wilson as kids, were we? LOL!!!
Wow! Forgot about them two! (Searching for streaming content…)
And Jack Lemmon and Tony Curtis in “Some Like It Hot”?
Gay pride ….interesting why not just gay and quite ..lol
Want more young doctors and nurses to come and stay to take care of your aches and pains, turn the volume way down on the intolerance, not very attractive.
I don’t want to see a doctor that doesn’t know what biology is and I don’t want a “transwoman” doctor either. *ugh* I’d never go to a doctor again if that is so.
In general these days, I see more nastiness directed toward the religious than toward the LGB+ community. Perhaps acceptance by everyone of all who are not in violation of the law would be a good option? Hate takes a great deal of energy. Indifference takes none.
On a side note, does anyone else enjoy Dr Hook? This story made me remember the lyrics of “Freaking at the Freakers Ball”. (Please don’t read in any negative connotation. When your freak is not immoral, letting your freak flag fly is a good thing.)
No one wants to here about your sex life that information should remain in your house in your own bedroom. Leave the rest of the world out of it. We don’t want to hear about it and we don’t care. And our kids sure as hell don’t need to see this.
Kids seeing people dressed up is going to traumatize them? Maybe we should ban halloween since people dressed up in costumes is not good for kids..They are not talking about their sex life, they just want to be accepted for who they are. A lot of gay kids grow up hating themselves and do not want to be gay, if we make being gay normal, which it is, it would help a lof of kids who are gay not hate themselves and who they are.
Being “normal” is and has always been accepting your assigned gender straight out of the womb.
Not changing anything. That’s the definition of normal. Just being what and who our Creator created us to be. He has a plan for each one of us and we forfeit that plan when we take it upon ourselves to become something other than what He created us to be.
Or you can just choose to say there is no Creator. But in your deepest heart & soul you KNOW that’s just not true.
It’s common sense that a man’s parts and a woman’s parts fit perfectly together, and we can gaze into each other’s eyes while being intimate and pro create the way we were created to do. That’s blatantly obvious.
When you can’t just let yourself “be” who God created you to be, you destroy your true identity.
Sounds like a devils plan to me.
♥️ Jesus loves you and so do I, but truth is truth.
And yes please, let’s cancel Halloween! Necromancy, dark arts, witchcraft,
It’s a dark, satanic, holiday. Just ask any satan worshipper. It’s their main day that they worship satan.
Although I don’t see any harm in children/adults dressing up as wholesome characters for wholesome innocent purposes.
♥️ Man looks upon the outward appearance, but God looks upon the heart.
That 2000 year old book prophesied that all these things we are experiencing today would happen in the time right before the second coming of Christ. That what used to be good (normal) would be called evil and visa versa and that lawlessness would abound among many, many, other signs.
In 2000 years human nature has changed very little.
Maybe, maybe not. But human behavior has changed immensely 💔
Like it’s predictable and Christains love the idea so much they will work to bring about the “end of times”. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
UK Drag Queen story hour founder fundraising for convicted sex offender’s (another “kid friendly drag queen”) funeral.
https://reduxx.info/rest-in-power-drag-queen-story-hour-uk-founder-fundraising-for-convicted-child-sex-offenders-funeral/
Tran’s motives remain unclear…
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/monterey-park-shooting-shooter-huu-can-tran-b2267871.html
I can’t imagine anyone doing such a thing…
But then again,
Huu Can…???
Too soon. 🙁
why do the most intolerant ask for more tolerance ?
After 286 comments I think the subject has been covered. How about some new news.
Thank You.