CDC & FDA Identify Preliminary COVID-19 Vaccine Safety Signal for Persons Aged 65 Years and Older

Stock photo of medical personnel administering a vaccine to a senior.

Stock photo of medical personnel administering a vaccine to a senior.

Press release from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Friday:

Transparency and vaccine safety are top priorities for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). U.S. government agencies use multiple, complementary safety monitoring systems to help detect possible safety signals for vaccines and other medical countermeasures as early as possible and to facilitate further investigation, as appropriate. Often these safety systems detect signals that could be due to factors other than the vaccine itself.

All signals require further investigation and confirmation from formal epidemiologic studies. When one system detects a signal, the other safety monitoring systems are checked to validate whether the signal represents an actual concern with the vaccine or if it can be determined to be of no clinical relevance.

Following the availability and use of the updated (bivalent) COVID-19 vaccines, CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), a near real-time surveillance system, met the statistical criteria to prompt additional investigation into whether there was a safety concern for ischemic stroke in people ages 65 and older who received the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, Bivalent. Rapid-response investigation of the signal in the VSD raised a question of whether people 65 and older who have received the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, Bivalent were more likely to have an ischemic stroke in the 21 days following vaccination compared with days 22-42 following vaccination.

This preliminary signal has not been identified with the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine, Bivalent. There also may be other confounding factors contributing to the signal identified in the VSD that merit further investigation. Furthermore, it is important to note that, to date, no other safety systems have shown a similar signal and multiple subsequent analyses have not validated this signal:

  • A large study of updated (bivalent) vaccines (from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) using the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services database revealed no increased risk of ischemic stroke
  • A preliminary study using the Veterans Affairs database did not indicate an increased risk of ischemic stroke following an updated (bivalent) vaccine
  • The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) managed by CDC and FDA has not seen an increase in reporting of ischemic strokes following the updated (bivalent) vaccine
  • Pfizer-BioNTech’s global safety database has not indicated a signal for ischemic stroke with the updated (bivalent) vaccine
  • Other countries have not observed an increased risk for ischemic stroke with updated (bivalent) vaccines

Although the totality of the data currently suggests that it is very unlikely that the signal in VSD represents a true clinical risk, we believe it is important to share this information with the public, as we have in the past, when one of our safety monitoring systems detects a signal. CDC and FDA will continue to evaluate additional data from these and other vaccine safety systems. These data and additional analyses will be discussed at the upcoming January 26 meeting of the FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee.

No change in vaccination practice is recommended. CDC continues to recommend that everyone ages 6 months of age and older stay up-to-date with COVID-19 vaccination; this includes individuals who are currently eligible to receive an updated (bivalent) vaccine. Staying up-to-date with vaccines is the most effective tool we have for reducing death, hospitalization, and severe disease from COVID-19, as has now been demonstrated in multiple studies conducted in the United States and other countries:

  • Data have shown an updated COVID-19 vaccine reduces the risk of hospitalization from COVID-19 by nearly 3-fold compared to those who were previously vaccinated but have not yet received the updated vaccine.
  • Data have shown that the updated COVID-19 vaccine also reduces the risk of death from COVID-19 by nearly 19-fold compared to those who are unvaccinated.
  • Other preliminary data from outside the U.S. have demonstrated more than 80% protection against severe disease and death from the bivalent vaccine compared to those who have not received the bivalent vaccine.

Overall safety data for the bivalent COVID-19 vaccines are available here.

Once again, no change is recommended in COVID-19 vaccination practice, which can be found here.

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Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
1 year ago

Guest and gf exhaustively debated this on the other thread but maybe there’s something new out today. I’d like to know what’s up with recent reports of greater excess deaths beginning in the last year or two. If not vaccines, is it the result of lockdowns preventing normal Healthcare, misguided lockdown related deaths? I see another WaPo story in last few days saying covid deaths are being overstated by 30%, dying with covid but because of something else.

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bearjoo
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bearjoo
1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

eat organic and unjabbed. Be Organic.

Sigh
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Sigh
1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

A meme from Zuckerberg Facebook page ‘The Watchlist Bois’. So that’s where you spend your time. Page Intro reads: “Your premier page for “extremist/conspiracy theorist” memes.” Sounds about … Right.

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
1 year ago
Reply to  Sigh

Don’t use Facebook, tracking concerns

Sigh
Guest
Sigh
1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

Tracking fingerprint within The Watchlist Bois memes. Like a visitor log.

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Sigh

People are so delusional to think they are not being tracked. The everyday internet user gets tracked. You have to be pretty computer savvy to avoid it. Most cookies are harmless anyway. Just clear your web history on a regular basis.
Even what you say on here gets saved somewhere on some computer. Things don’t just disappear.
A good hacker could trace your IP address and find out all about you.
You would have to do a military scrub to rid your computer of everything. And even that may not hide all the data.

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

Here’s another concern…

POTS

“POTS can cause a rapid increase in heartbeat, fainting, dizziness and fatigue. Prominent symptoms include a rapid increase in the heartbeat of more than 30 beats per minute, or a heart rate that exceeds 120 beats per minute, within 10 minutes of standing.”

I remember that someone in the comment section may have mentioned something like this…

https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/abc-7-syndrome-pots-in-rare-cases-can-be-associated-with-covid-vaccine-as-well-as-virus-itself/

They say it’s 7 times more likely if you have gotten covid in the last 2-3 years, than if you got vaccinated, but that leads me to three questions…

#1) Do the changing variants over time, which have lessened in severity, lessen the chance of POTS…??? ( XBB.1.5 has more cold-like than flu-like symptoms)

#2) They seem to imply that if you get vaccinated, your chance of getting POTS from covid is eliminated, but they don’t come right out and say that… So, considering the chance of breakthrough infection is very high, (IMO), and the vaccination doesn’t necessarily prevent POTS from covid, ( no such claim), wouldn’t vaccination just be increasing the risk of POTS, in addition to to the risk of POTS from covid, by an additional 14% or so?

#3) Is the chance of POTS after vaccination refer to the chance of POTS after EACH vaccination, because we are up to about 5 vaccinations… …and that means that if so, in two more vaccinations, (about a year I figure), the chance will be the same , unless, (see #1), in which case the chances are already about the same…?

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grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Unnecessary screenshot..

Susan Nolan
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Susan Nolan
1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

The healthcare system is still overloaded. A relative had a crisis recently and it’s clear that there’s just not enough to go around, even if you have good insurance.

Freedumb
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Freedumb
1 year ago
Reply to  Susan Nolan

Obama care Mandatory. Duh. Everyone has it

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

This is addressed to Mario because Covid causes heart problems.

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

Exactly.

The vaccine we have, is FOR morons.

Thanks for proving the point.

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

What are some cardiac complications from COVID-19?

Cardiac complications include myocardial injury, heart failure (HF), cardiogenic shock, multisystem inflammatory syndrome in adults, and cardiac arrhythmias including sudden cardiac arrest.
Google-
Mario should have gotten the vaccine.
🪄🧙

Aaaa
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Aaaa
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you Guest!

Agreed!!!!

Guest has never been bested!

Whichever side is right, Guest is clearly the superior debater.

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Aaaa

We all know you are related to Guest..
Are you his wife?

Have a feeling your IP addresses would be the same.
This is pretty sad really.
Do you have someone you can talk to? A friend?

Though there is a possibility it could be Guest himself.

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grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

Did I guess right Aaaa? Is Guest using someone else computer? Or are you related?
🧙🪄
PS: please inform him of this.
https://kymkemp.com/2023/01/11/two-new-deaths-5-new-hospitalizations/#comment-1598772

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

🤪😜

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

🧙

Freedumb
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Freedumb
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

Probably more friends than you. You win on taking over the comments 🎂🎂

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

Consider that “Nurse Ratchet” might not be the best Pro Jab poster child…

(Of course, I do see some parallels with Dr. Fauci…)

Misguided
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Misguided
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

Haha yeah cu nurse rachet is an excemplaory (sp) model of amazing healthcare

Kym Kemp
Admin
1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

I really really hate memes. Prolific use of them is not helping.

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I don’t hate them but I agree, it has gotten out of hand..It is probably going to take a rule change.
Hopefully this last plea from you will be effective. We shall see.
At least the unnecessary screen shots have eased up..
Well almost.

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

👼

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

🧙‍♂️

Misguided
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Misguided
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

You literally just posted a meme

D'Tucker Jebs
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I agree that they are overused. However, I’ve seen some that can make a point better than a multi-paragraph essay.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

“I don’t like it” barely qualifies as a point. And those are mostly what memes are that get posted here. Certainly does not need many words to replace it.

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I’m down to no more than one image per post (less would be zero) while others post 3 or more at times. I don’t care if you prohibit memes and/or screenshots, but as someone says in another reply, a meme or image can communicate a point as well as many words. I don’t see every comment so hopefully you’ll repeat rule change until we all see it

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

People who abused the system are what brought this about.
Who is to judge if they are worthwhile or not?

How about we try no memes for a month. I am willing.
I will follow your lead.

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

How about you lead?

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Moot point..

Kym Kemp
Admin
1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

The rules are always available linked in the comment box right under the article. I haven’t changed the rules. But I am considering changing them because of the ridiculous number of memes and unnecessary screenshots clogging up the comment section. If you want the ability to use a pithy meme once in awhile, then use them less.

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I have a dream. No memes.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

Yet you posted a meme 3 hours before this. Is this a new dream?

Be the change you wish to see in the world.
~ Ghandi

grey fox
Member
1 year ago

Backfire…This needed to be brought to a head. Being nice about it didn’t work. As Ms Kemp found out

All a moot point anyway. New rules.

https://kymkemp.com/2023/01/11/two-new-deaths-5-new-hospitalizations/#comment-1598772

Are you on moderation?

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grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel
Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

🤔🧐,

“Mario carditis”

It is somewhat humorous…

And somewhat relevant.

And it’s not derogatory in any way.

But I am willing to forego memes completely…

I had already cut way back…

The “Piccaso” took way more data than I thought or intended…

Sorry about that.

🤷‍♂️

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grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Not the point. Squirrel was a serial meme abuser and brought this on. Same with the screenshot abuser.

Guest
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1 year ago
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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

Rule #4…

“Try to add value to the website by offering information, art, humor or, most of all, thoughtful discussion.”

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Which I do on all counts. Unlike some.

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Pregnant women and their developing babies are at higher risk for severe outcomes if they get Covid-19, and now a large, international review is helping to underscore how devastating those risks can be.

Vaccination is vital
For people who are trying to weigh the risks and benefits of Covid-19 vaccination during pregnancy, Smith says this study helps tip the scales firmly on the side of vaccination.

“It’s worth it to protect yourself in pregnancy,” Smith said.

She says this study didn’t look at the benefits of vaccination in pregnancy, but other studies have, showing big decreases in the risk of stillbirth, preterm birth and severe disease or death for mom.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/16/health/covid-19-pregnancy-risks-review/index.html

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Freedumb
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Freedumb
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

Vaccination is vital????I can’t read your comments no more sorry your way out there

Freedumb
Guest
Freedumb
1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

I know 4 people that have died from heart attacks. But it couldn’t possibly be from the vaccines. I still don’t know anyone who has died of covid. This is information from my eyes not the news. I don’t trust any of news or cdc ect.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Freedumb

So here we are there years on with anecdotes about not knowing anyone who died of covid even while China, whose strict isolation regulations limited the death count from covid, is in the news for the deaths related to covid being offically near zero while crematorium are not able to take care of the bodies. This is an echo of what was going on in the US prior to vaccines being available even while sars-cov-2 has evolved into a much less damaging form. Yet the nonsense keeps being repeated.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/22/china/china-covid-deaths-crematorium-intl-hnk-mic/index.html

Hello! Covid infection itself increases the risk of a heart attack. In a pandemic even a person who tests negative for covid may still die from the heart attack set up be having had an infection. In other words, Freedumb, you have no idea that your eyes have seen. And don’t even know where to look.

Freedumb
Guest
Freedumb
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

You go ahead and read all the news you want about China or wherever I’ll continue to walk my neighborhood with my family and friends and community I’ll tell you what I see

I like stars
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I like stars
1 year ago

New, experimental technologies often have problems that become apparent with time.

bearjoo
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bearjoo
1 year ago
Reply to  I like stars

It’s like Betamax for your genome…great. Thanks for all the shaming and the virtue signaling, Mudbloods…but I cannot think of anyone worse than and unjabbed elite promoting the people to take the shot while they get a placebo.

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  I like stars

Disadvantage untested Biden Bivalent Booster…

Iliketables
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Iliketables
1 year ago
Reply to  I like stars

People should be allowed to undergo any experimental treatment or procedure that they wish. Nothing should be forced on anyone though, ever. Nor should anyone’s job, financial stability, or educational future be threatened for refusing an experimental procedure.

When it comes to vaccines the minimal benchmark for studying the potential long term effects has always been 10 years, usually 15-20 but that’s when companies were motivated by saving lives and realized the profits would follow a good product. So yes, the Covid jab is still experimental, no long term studies have been carried out. In fact, we are in the middle of a very large long term study.

D'Tucker Jebs
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  I like stars

I see the word “experimental” repeatedly misused here. Vaccines are thoroughly tested before they are released to the public. They are however continually monitored. If, in the monitoring an interesting data point arises, that is then investigated. That’s a normal part of the process and that’s what this article is about.

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Excellent point.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

The product under question here is unapproved. The technical term for it is an “exploratory biological”. It has not been tested for years and the technology underlying it has only achieved any approval in the last 18 months and under extraordinary circumstances.

Experimental is not much of an exaggeration, if any

D'Tucker Jebs
Member
1 year ago

Side effects, while rare and usually mild, also almost always occur within 2 months. https://www.chop.edu/news/long-term-side-effects-covid-19-vaccine
Covid vaccines have been available for more than 2 years now, and more than 13 billion doses have been administered. There has been more than enough time and more than a large enough sample group to say that we are well past the experimental phase.

Thatguyinarcata
Guest
Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

On what are you basing the claim that “Side effects, … , also almost always occur within 2 months.”?

That was a common statement about the various virus based vaccines that are used for other diseases. But there’s no reason to believe that same risk profile would apply to this new technology. It’s recently been confirmed that free circulating spike for as much as 3 months post injection. So that would expand the obvious risk horizon out at least that far.

I would suggest that it’s also plainly foolish to assert that we have a complete understanding of all the possible risks associated with this technology so soon. There are certainly large signals that the same public health agencies who poured billions into the deployment have ignored, but that independent statistical analysis has identified. Those have largely gone unanswered.

I hope you’re right. I hope we come to find out that the risk of these products is minimal. I don’t see how anyone could declare that unequivocally at this point, if they’re being honest.

D'Tucker Jebs
Member
1 year ago

It’s addressed in the link I posted.

Thatguyinarcata
Guest
Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

The claim about side effects usually occurring within 2 weeks is under the “vaccine history” section of your article.

You may have missed it, but these novel vaccines are not based on the technology we have relied in throughout vaccine history. They’re novel, first of their kind, groundbreaking applications of a technology platform that these companies hope signal a radical new field in medicine.

Moderna is literally built around this synthetic mrna platform and has never developed an approved product before their state financed and regulatorily rushed covid injection. Basing your risk profile for these shots off of prior shots is like basing the risk of a car crash off the risk of a peddle bike crash.

Sigh
Guest
Sigh
1 year ago

Overfilling arguments with repeated terminology, an argumentative bent implying near sinister nature: “technology”, “novel”, “platform”, “synthetic”, “profile”, “applications”. Only thing missing is “Borg”. The death toll without the imperfect vaccines, or whatever you want to call them, would have been significant in the first year. The government did what government is supposed to do: take reasonable action. Nobody, nothing, is perfect.

Thatguyinarcata
Guest
Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  Sigh

Your complaint is the use of accurate language? You would prefer we stick to the marketing lingo that leads people to assert that these new products must have the same risks as the old products since we use the same general term?

Why would you be averse to accurately describing the situation?

Sigh
Guest
Sigh
1 year ago

Reads … puffy. Like trying to impress one’s science or creative-writing teacher … or hard-sell a view. For example: “They’re novel, first of their kind, groundbreaking …”. Why bother saying same thing 3 times in a row, er, four times, given previous sentence already saying vax is “novel”).

Thatguyinarcata
Guest
Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  Sigh

Well the person I was responding to, as well as their source and many other people on these.pages and through out the media broadly, don’t seem to be able to wrap their head around that point. They keep pointing to the more common vaccine technologies that are not related to the mrna platforms as evidence of the mrna safety. It’s called emphasis.

But I do appreciate that you can’t find a problem with my claims so you had to nit pick the composition. It’s very telling.

Sigh
Guest
Sigh
1 year ago

Looks to me like many folks here wrap their heads around it just fine. Telling is somehow thinking their somehow not up to par.

Thatguyinarcata
Guest
Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  Sigh

Obviously many don’t. Claiming that the adverse impacts of mrna injections will occur within 2 weeks because inactivated viral antigen injections have typically presented problems in that time frame is not up to par. It’s a fundamentally flawed assumption, but it’s one that has been repeated regularly in defense of the newer vaccine technology.

The person I responded to explicitly failed to wrap their heads around it.

Sigh
Guest
Sigh
1 year ago

Borders on bloviation.

Thatguyinarcata
Guest
Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  Sigh

Is this more your speed?

Them jabs is some new weird shit. Don’t expect em to act like that old shit your used to

Sigh
Guest
Sigh
1 year ago

Bogged version.
“You may have missed it, but these novel vaccines are not based on the technology we have relied in throughout vaccine history. They’re novel, first of their kind, groundbreaking applications of a technology platform that these companies hope signal a radical new field in medicine.”

Non-bog variation:
These high-tech vaccines are a new field in medicine. The manufacturer’s are hopeful.

Ta-da!

Thatguyinarcata
Guest
Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  Sigh

So you’re objection was that my comments didn’t include your preferred bias?

Sigh
Guest
Sigh
1 year ago

Ah, the endless questioning gig, again. Familiar. Look back. Your bloviation. I addressed. Then you asked “Is this more your speed?”, providing idiocy. I answered. Done.

Enjoy vax obsession. Nightly-nite.

Thatguyinarcata
Guest
Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  Sigh

So you didn’t like when I used accurate language. You didn’t like when I used overly simple language. You pretended that the issue I raised wasn’t an issue. And now you’re pretending I’m “obsessed” and you’re “done”?

Wow. Compelling. I’m going to take important advice from you.

Sigh
Guest
Sigh
1 year ago

“I’m “obsessed” and you’re “done”?” Yes

“I’m going to take important advice from you.” OK

grey fox
Member
1 year ago

LOL… I post to much?

Thatguyinarcata
Guest
Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

Yes

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

Bivalent Booster was distributed and administered without clinical trials.

Potential problems are appearing now.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

It is possible that longer term and more testing could have exposed a possible complication as sheer volume exposes rare side effects. No one knows including the people here who constantly announce they know best.

However anti vaxxers wouldn’t be able to tell the difference anyway because they assume nonsense is conclusive before there is any evidence at all. Does such continuing obstruction actually prevent sensible investigations? It is likely if resources were not so continuously needed to put out their internet fires, more effort could go into actual research.

For instance they latch onto Hamlin’s cardiac arrest with a death (sorry) grip even though there were more sudden cardiac arrests before covid than recent years. “The National Center for Catastrophic Sport Injury Research, which systematically tracks sports-related fatalities, identified 13 medical deaths during football-related activities in 2021 among players participating at all levels of competition, eight of which were caused by cardiac arrest. The same researchers had found 14 medical deaths two years earlier, 10 of which were heart-related.”
https://nccsir.unc.edu/reports/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/the-inflated-risk-of-vaccine-induced-cardiac-arrest/ar-AA15YOpD

bearjoo
Guest
bearjoo
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

so soccer players dropping dead on the field up 1000% is normal? mmm

Kym Kemp
Admin
1 year ago
Reply to  bearjoo
I like stars
Guest
I like stars
1 year ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

There is no doubt these vaccines and this technology are experimental. The nice thing is that folks were free to choose whether or not to be in the control group. Hope everyone is happy with their individual decision. May we all enjoy good health 🙏.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  I like stars

Unfortunately the presence of this supposed control group poisons the the whole process. As tends to be the reality with infectious diseases. In the absolutist view of anti vaxxers, people who don’t get vaccinated are totally seperate from those who do. When the vaccinated can decrease the Rusk to the unvaccinated from infection while the unvaccinated can expose everyone to increased risk.

I suppose this idea comes from the anti vaxxer fixation that vaccines must prevent the virus from infecting in order to be of any use whatsoever. And must do it forever. Of course no vaccine does that although which some viruses that don’t mutate it can protect for a long time.

But sars-cov-2 is certainly not that. It changes constantly. The bottom line is that vaccination gave people the chance to have an immune response ready to react when they became exposed rather than to try to mount a response as the virus raced through their system. Like a fire department puts out fires before theycspreax to whole towns but doesn’t always keep them from happening, vaccines limit the damage even when they don’t prevent infection.

bearjoo
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bearjoo
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

your whole argument is ridiculous because THIS “vaccine” doesnt work, doesnt prevent transmission, and makes the vaccinated MORE likely to catch and spread the new variants. Complete and epic FAIL.

Bearjoo
Guest
Bearjoo
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Check out Scott Adams of Dilbert on twitter. Promise I’m not just some Q nut. Booster is bad idea 🙁

bearjoo
Guest
bearjoo
1 year ago
Reply to  D'Tucker Jebs

normal vaccines take 8-10 years of testing before going out to market. A “signal” is a tacit admission that this was a clunker/lemon. Epoch reporting NY state researchers say the new strain infects vaccinated at higher rates. Pray.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago

“Of about 550,000 seniors who got Pfizer bivalent boosters and were tracked by the VSD, 130 had strokes in the three weeks after the shot, according to a CDC official who spoke to CNN on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to share the data. None of the 130 people died.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/13/health/pfizer-bivalent-booster-safety-cdc/index.html

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

How many had strokes after 3 weeks?

Bearjoo
Guest
Bearjoo
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Well after all it is stroke season.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

And how many times as many seniors got the vaccine that weren’t tracked by the VSD?

And just because none of them died, doesn’t mean that the stroke were not life changing.

Strokes can be extremely debilitating, requiring constant personal care.

It’s one of my worst nightmares.

And just because none for them “died”, whatever that means, “right away” I would assume, doesn’t mean that the stroke didn’t significantly shorten their life…

I really doubt that a stroke would extend a person’s life, or improve it at all.

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1 year ago
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Sampling was done across the US. So the proportion would be the same. You know, you could look up this stuff yourself. “The VSD also uses information on medical illnesses that have been diagnosed at doctors’ offices, urgent care visits, emergency department visits, and hospital stays. The VSD conducts vaccine safety studies based on questions or concerns raised from the medical literature and reports to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). When there are new vaccines that have been recommended for use in the United States or if there are changes in how a vaccine is recommended, the VSD will monitor the safety of these vaccines.”
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/vsd/index.html

It’s always telling that anti vaxxers latch onto any stats supplied by the CDC that raise a question but then immediately dismiss them if it tells against their agenda. And of course they always ignore the fact that the risk of stroke or any other condition after a covid infection is always worse than the risk after vaccination. That is the essence of vaccination studies- to check that the life saving benefits of vaccination are substantially more than the risks of the vaccination itself. An idea of benefit is what anti vaxxers pretend does not exist as they prefer anecdotal evidence and they even spin that pretty hard.

BTW not going to go through the usual endless diversions you typically bring up. What is the point is that the surveillance system is designed to catch even small anomalies so they can be investigated. The vast majority of these turn out to be nothing. But instead of waiting to get better information to resolve the issue, anti vaxxers grind out their agenda. Nor wonder they are so paranoid about the authorities lying to them. They turn every reasonable investigation into propaganda. It takes real integrity by researchers not to just avoid the giant pain in the butts by keeping quiet. Apparently the authorities are making a real effort not to do that despite there will never be any amount of information that will not be twistedby anti vaxxers in their self justification.

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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You have just made a lot of delusional people very unhappy..

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1 year ago
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The alternative is making a lot of delusional people very happy.

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1 year ago
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Remember how long it took the FDA and CDC to admit there really was a Vaccine induced TTS problem with the K&J Jab?

It took them over 7 months…

This time will be no different…

If you’ll recall, J&J claimed that Pfizer also had clotting problems associated with it’s vaccine, way back then…

But, of course, Pfizer denied it…

And, now, we find out that it may just have been true all along…

Who can see seven months into the future…???

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1 year ago
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Yeah. All of from January 2021 to April or May 2021 when enough people had been vaccinated for the very rare side effect to show up.

Have you a link to your allegation about Pfizer and blood clots? Because the only thing I can find is the usual anti vaxxer hysterical arm waiving. This link from a month ago just said there was a “statistical signal” like mentioned above that researchers look into in case it is meaningful. It rarely turn out to be meaningful but these doctors are super cautious. “Some social media users are falsely claiming the agency recently announced the Pfizer vaccine carries a blood clot risk, too.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/12/30/fact-check-no-link-between-pfizer-vaccines-blood-clots-covid-fda-study/10955016002/

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1 year ago
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J&J reps made the claim as their vaccine was implicated in VITT.

I found it yesterday…

It may have been for both covid mRNA vaccines, but that would have included Pfizer…

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1 year ago
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You just acknowledged the other day that myo/pericarditis is higher after vaccination than infection. Yet now you’re back to asserting that that is never the case with any condition.

Why?

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1 year ago

No I never did. You read what you wanted to read. Infection is something like 3 to 6 times more likely to result in myocarditis.

Thatguyinarcata
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1 year ago
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Ah, I must have misread what you posted. I did hope you had allowed yourself to accept new information and adjust your worldview. I still have hope, but the longer a person clings to bitterness and anger the harder their biases embed. And you’ve been expressing as much bitterness toward your personal invented “other” as ever lately. Hopefully you can find some insight to soften your heart, but we all choose to live the way we live.

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bearjoo
1 year ago

Pureblooded 4 Life essay vato. Orale…. we can dodge bullets baby.

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1 year ago
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Nope you can’t. Doing nothing is also a choice. “People who skipped their COVID vaccine are at higher risk of traffic accidents, according to a new study… The excess risk of car crash posed by unvaccinated drivers “exceeds the safety gains from modern automobile engineering advances and also imposes risks on other road users,” the authors wrote.”

Basically comes down to making stupid choices about vaccination goes hand in hand with making stupid choices in other places too.

grey fox
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1 year ago
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LOL, Your on a roll..

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1 year ago
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🤔🧐, just to make clear that is not a delusion of mine… It’s not.

That one could use a link…

I’m sure it has been soundly debunked.

It is a ridiculous idea, at best.

grey fox
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1 year ago
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Good thing the other Guest has been vaccinated. His car insurance rates won’t go up.
You would think by now he would realize you don’t make false statements.
🪄🧙

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Let’s see…

Let me apply some critical thinking skills to this obvious nonsense…

“The new study – by researchers from Sunnybrook Research Institute in Toronto – looked at 6,682 traffic accidents in Ontario in the summer of 2021.”

“Nearly 1,700 of those involved in the accidents had not received a single Covid shot.”

“Researchers said it was ‘equal to a 72 percent increased relative risk compared with those vaccinated.’ ”

“They concluded: ‘These data suggest that Covid vaccine hesitancy is associated with significant increased risks of a traffic crash.”

These weren’t just the drivers that were included in the study….
It actually included pedestrians…

Need I say more…???

“Summer of 2021″…???

So, I believe it would be safe to conclude that 25 % of those involved in these accidents, drivers and/or passengers and/or pedestrians, were not even yet eligible for vaccination yet at the time…

Pretty simple really…

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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The COVID vaccine became available in winter 2020, doses were widely delivered to adults by spring 2021, and uptake had plateaued in summer 2021

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9716428/
PS: In Canada
The vaccine was initially authorized for use in people 16 years of age and older on December 9, 2020

Do you have data on ages of the claimed 25%?

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Posted August 17, 2021 12:05 pm

https://globalnews.ca/news/8119068/ontario-covid-vaccine-children-aged-12-by-end-2021/

“The Ontario government says 11-year-old children who will turn 12 years old by the end of 2021 will be eligible to get a COVID-19 vaccine shot earlier, starting Wednesday.”

“The government announced effective Wednesday, Aug. 18, those children — born anytime on or before Dec. 31, 2009 — will be able to book an appointment for a shot.”

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1 year ago
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It’s about vaccination status of all those hospitalized, not just the drivers… Any passengers under 12 weren’t even eligible until late August…

Think about it, grey fox, when are kids not in school and with their parents???

In. the. summer.

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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Are you saying they used the vaccination status of a passenger in a accident in the study? I don’t think so.

That doesn’t make sense.
The passenger had nothing to do with the accident.
Other than they were in a car with a possibly risky driver.

And your other statement is pure speculation.

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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Am I missing something?

From the study…

This definition reflected incidents sending a patient to an emergency department as a driver, passenger, or pedestrian.

What does vaccination status have to do with pedestrians or passengers?
It’s about the drivers right?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9716428/
PS: this link is the same as above if any one is bored and wants to read the study

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Thatguyinarcata
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1 year ago
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You found the relevant quote from the study, but you’re unwilling to accept it’s meaning.

Crash participants were sorted by vaccination status. This included pedestrians, passengers, and drivers who were not at fault. The unvaccinated were over represented in that sample. The study is poorly constructed and didn’t prove what you claimed it did.

grey fox
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1 year ago

I realize the study is flawed.

I thought it was a joke at first to get anti-vaxers riled up.
I still don’t understand why they used passenger, pedestrian vaccination status in the study. Especially the passenger.

It just doesn’t make sense to me.

grey fox
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1 year ago
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“Our data do not explore potential causes of vaccine hesitancy or risky driving,” the authors of the study said in a statement.
“One possibility relates to a distrust of government or belief in freedom that contributes to both vaccination preferences and increased traffic risks. A different explanation might be misconceptions of everyday risks, faith in natural protection, antipathy toward regulation, chronic poverty, exposure to misinformation, insufficient resources, or other personal beliefs.. Alternative factors could include political identity, negative past experiences, limited health literacy, or social networks that lead to misgivings around public health guidelines These subjective unknowns remain topics for more research“

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1 year ago
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🤔🧐,

One possibility is that my bullshit detector works better than yours…

🤷‍♂️😁

grey fox
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1 year ago
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Not really, as you never contradict anything the squirrel or HC says.

grey fox
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1 year ago
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Guest Guest
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2 days ago
More bad news…

Stroke anyone???

Talk about neurological symptoms…

I’ve been trying to warn people of the neurological side effects for a long time..

And they are still trying to push this shit…

grey fox
2 days ago
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You posted that already yesterday, You are fear mongering without presenting all the facts.

Here is the counter article I showed you yesterday.
Fears that the Covid booster shots made by Pfizer-BioNTech may increase the risk of strokes in people aged 65 and older were not borne out by an intensive scientific investigation, federal officials said on Friday.

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1 year ago
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Clearly untrue.

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1 year ago
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It’s called bias. People tend to find what they are looking for. It’s on rampant display with every single death of a famous person being jumped on as possibly vaccine related.

It’s on display when you lay out a dozen frantic responses to any information that doesn’t fit your perceived “correct” narrative rather than integrating the new information and adjusting your perspective.

It’s a powerful force in the human psyche

grey fox
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1 year ago

Was listening until the “you” and “your” part.

Comprende?

grey fox
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1 year ago
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🪄🧙

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1 year ago
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Your stupid study did not even address who was at fault in any of the accidents.

Who are you suggesting was at fault?

That’s enough to toss the study itself.

And that is among many other limitations.

The study was done during a very short period.

It’s a snapshot is all.

Vaccination status was determined as of July 31, 2021.

18 + eligibility had only been open for a couple of months, and supply was not meeting demand.

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2021/5/17/1_5430695.html

“Before today’s announcement, residents 18+ were able to book their jab, but only if they lived in one of the province’s designated 114 hot spot communities.”

“While Toronto Mayor John Tory welcomed today’s announcement, he said the availability of vaccines in the city-run immunization clinics “will likely not match” the number of those seeking to get a shot.”

” “As they [the government] increase demand, we’re simply saying would they please also, in parallel, consider that as they increase demand, if they don’t increase supply we’re not able to accommodate people and appointments,” Tory said.”

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The study is lame.

I’ve provided plenty of proof.

bearjoo
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1 year ago
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sign me up for the traffic accident

Giant Squirrel
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1 year ago

WH says there are no visitor logs for Wilmington home so will the classified document investigation require sworn testimony from Jill, Joe, Hunter, staff – month by month for last six years detailing visitors under penalty of perjury?

bearjoo
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bearjoo
1 year ago
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all those ‘secret’ meetings with the Chinese, Pfizer, and Fauci… “its probably nothing”

Skitty
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1 year ago
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Ohhh. Inquiring minds want to know. Did your hero the “orange Cheeto” keep visitor logs ?

Giant Squirrel
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1 year ago
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The Secret Service was guarding Mar a Lago property and records, ask them

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1 year ago
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I suppose the staff can be questioned under oath, they saw who came and went.
No visitor logs means classified Docs had no security.

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1 year ago
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Oh. A big government conspiracy.
I see.

Giant Squirrel
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1 year ago
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I’m assuming the Secret Service kept records, why wouldn’t they? Surely they screen visitors for weapons

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1 year ago
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This is correct. The SS at Mar Lardo makes sure all arriving guests have personal weapons plus extras for next event.

bearjoo
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bearjoo
1 year ago
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hey, you lefties took the Trump shots not me…Im libertarian and don’t take medical experiments based on my political bias.

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1 year ago

the original article is pay-walled at wapo https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/01/13/covid-pandemic-deaths-hospitalizations-overcounting

the excerpt below comes from https://nypost.com/2023/01/14/dr-leana-wen-writes-that-covid-deaths-are-being-overcounted/

She spoke to two Infectious-disease experts, who told her they believed “the number of deaths attributed to covid is far greater than the actual number of people dying from COVID.”

Mentioning the first, she wrote, “Robin Dretler, an attending physician at Emory Decatur Hospital and the former president of Georgia’s chapter of Infectious Diseases Society of America, estimates that at his hospital, 90 percent of patients diagnosed with COVID are actually in the hospital for some other illness.”

Dretler told the analyst, “Since every hospitalized patient gets tested for COVID many are incidentally positive.” Wen noted how people with gunshot wounds or other serious illnesses often test positive for the virus, and wrote, “If these patients die, COVID might get added to their death certificate along with the other diagnoses. But the coronavirus was not the primary contributor to their death and often played no role at all.”

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1 year ago
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Wow, Dr. Wen has been a major face of the official covid narrative this whole time. I wonder it was that inspired her change of perspective?

fishkiller
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1 year ago

trying to cover her ass

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1 year ago
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That’s why I’m curious what she learned. That’s a fucking parade grounds quality about face

Xebeche
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Xebeche
1 year ago

I have had 5 vaccinations for covid including the bivalent moderna vaccine. I have only had one “symtom”: I have not gotten sick.
No stroke, no heart attack, no dementia….and most important to me as a 76 year old, no covid.
I wish I did not have to listen to the constant bombardment of negativity from commenters here & elsewhere.

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Xebeche

I also. So that proves the vaccines work.
In fact every one I know got vaccinated. No problems.

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1 year ago
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I’ve had three. I waited for the bivalent booster. Unlike the other Guest constantly implies, I’m not reckless about vaccines. I don’t rush off at the offer. I read and wait. When I judge the advantage substantial and my personal risk slight, I get it. And so far the worst that has happened was that my arm got sore after the second of the two shot initial series.

Have not been sick either. It’s all about risk assessment. Which is what is sadly lacking with anti vaxxers. They fantasize about what could happen both if they get a vaccine and if they don’t but never at the same time. But never even try to balance the real risk.

grey fox
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1 year ago
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It’s weird. It’s like they get happy if there is an adverse vaccine reaction to latch on to.

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1 year ago
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not happy………more like “i told you so”.
when we tried to tell you, you laughed and called us conspiracy theorists, science deniers, etc.
I wish we were wrong, but we’re not.

bearjoo
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1 year ago
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Amen… Jesus said “I pray not for the World”… a lot of people believe in the World as a religion. Fauci-ism… is not Jesus-ism. Jesus warned us about the Mark of the Beast system. Christians had the Holy Spirit warn them of this bunk injection scam. Gut level. Street knowledge. The unvaccinated aren’t dying.

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1 year ago
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It’s weird, it’s like the more boosters they are prescribed, the more safe and effective, they try and represent them all as…

And the more shots they get, they act like the additional risk of vaccine side effects, somehow inexplicably, goes down, not up.

Stockholm Syndrome, I figure…

It’s surely a vaccine side effect by now…

Vaccination, is clearly responsible, for additional vaccinations.

The risk is certain.

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1 year ago
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🤔🧐,

Did you factor on the lie about the fall wave into your decision?

I knew it was a lie when Fauci said it in June, 4 months before the Bivalent Booster rolled out, and that definitely factored into my decision to not get the Bivalent Booster.

And how much could you have read about the untested Bivalent Booster that most people, after reading about, elected not to get?

🤔🧐It’s results, like the possible stroke risk, are only just now being published.

What could you have possibly learned about it…???

I’m not reckless about vaccines either.

I got two primary Moderna doses, completed 15 months ago. That’s it.

I have not been sick either, and my whole family, except me, got sick with something or the other after getting together for Christmas.

Not confirmed to be covid or not, no one got tested, but everyone recovered after a couple of weeks or so.

Lots of Flu and RSV going around at the time, probably just as, or more likely the culprit(s).

The only thing I have done differently than anyone else is regularly eating Elderberry gummies, and a teaspoon or so of elderberry oxymel a couple times a day prior to and during everyone else getting sick.

I guess I prefer witchcraft…

Thatguyinarcata
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1 year ago
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Am I an anti vaxxer? Because my choice was based on an assessment of my risk from infection (near nil as far as I could ascertain from the data available) vs my risk from a new product whose base technology has no track record of safe use.

Considering that not accepting these novel injections came with a near zero increase in risk above the background risks of daily life (honestly, driving the roads I drive daily almost certainly overshadows any risk I’ve ever faced from infectious disease) I have never seen a compelling argument for me to go in for any of these injections.

As time has passed, the value of the protection promised by these products has declined steadily and the known risks have increased while the suspected potential risks have generally failed to be disproven (dismissed by the public relations apparatus of the manufacturer? Yes. Shown to not exist? No.)

So am I an anti vaxxer? If not, who is? Where are you finding them? And how did you come to learn so much about their thinking?

The Real Brian
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1 year ago

(honestly, driving the roads I drive daily almost certainly overshadows any risk I’ve ever faced from infectious disease)

Enter the vaccine / seat belt analogy.

I’m gonna assume you use your belt to increase the chance of less injury if an accident does happen.

Thatguyinarcata
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1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

A seat belt isn’t an experimental injection. The fact that you consider those two behaviors (applying a temporary, external, safety harness during a very specific behavior and being injected with an experimental product that has never been deployed at any scale) analogous says a lot about the way you assess the risk presented by your “safety precautions”.

Despite driving on some of the more dangerous roads in the country, I have not opted to get Kevlar plates permanently implanted over vital body sites. That’s a closer analogy to the vaccine. An extreme, irreversible, internal, intervention to a problem that can be largely mitigated by situational awareness and temporary, external, protective equipment

The Real Brian
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1 year ago

2017:

Vaccines based on mRNA coding for antigens have been shown to be safe and immunogenic in preclinical models. We aimed to report results of the first-in-human proof-of-concept clinical trial in healthy adults of a prophylactic mRNA-based vaccine encoding rabies virus glycoprotein (CV7201).

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28754494/

In 1990, scientists discovered that they could inject mice with mRNA and DNA to make the mouse cells create a protein. That protein production lasted for a few weeks. In 1992, mRNA coding for vasopressin (anti-diuretic hormone) was injected into rats, resolving their diabetes insipidus symptoms.

https://historyofvaccines.org/blog/the-history-of-the-mrna-vaccines

I guess you only buy cars that are 30 years old, because anything built post 1990 is “experimental”.

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1 year ago
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I sure wouldn’t buy a vehicle that had only ever been tested in a “preclinical model” (that’s a computer simulation). And you can bet I won’t be buying a first gen flying car.

I appreciate you helping make my point with your poorly considered analogies though.

grey fox
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1 year ago

Flying cars have been around since the 30’s and 40’s.
Though I doubt you could find one for sale.

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The Real Brian
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1 year ago

If you’re point was that MRNA tech is new, than you’re still wrong and you look silly now too.

MRNA has been around for decades.

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1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

It has literally never been deployed beyond phase 1 clinical trials. The pfizer-biontech and Moderna products are the first two mrna based medical products deployed on humans who were not voluntary experimental subjects.

You must realize that making these bad faith false claims doesn’t make your position look convincing right?

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1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I’m gonna assume that you wear a helmet and have upgraded your seatbelt with a 3 point Hans restraint system, to increase the chance of less Injury when you drive…

(That’s the vaccine / healthy young people analogy.)

https://www.ogracing.com/collections/driver-head-and-neck-restraints

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1 year ago
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Why would you restrict the helmet to the car? Afterall, there’s zero risk of adverse side effects from wearing a helmet. Why not stay safe? Heck, should probably be wearing a PFD as well. You never know, and it cant hurt!

Guest
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1 year ago

Yep.

A float coat.

Worn over a kevlar ballistic vest, too.

I should have thought of that…

How careless of me…

The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Seat belts have killed a few people.

You have to click in and out for every trip.

Seat belts are experimental

Thatguyinarcata
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1 year ago
Reply to  Xebeche

I hope that you recognize that not everyone is in the same demographic or faces the same risk profile from either infection or injection. Your risk from covid is estimated to be several orders of magnitude higher than mine, so I would expect that you would tolerate significantly riskier treatment options than I would.

Much of the frustration the produces the “bombardment of negativity” you are referring to came from government health agencies that ignored these relative risk differences and attempted to force as many people as possible to accept the risk of injection regardless of their risk from infection.

I fully support your right to access whatever medical intervention you deem valuable, but many people are not as cavalier about experimental pharmaceuticals as you are. I would hope that you could respect their right to make that choice for themselves the same as you’ve been allowed to. Unfortunately, our various public health agencies have demonstrated a consistent lack of respect for many people’s choices when it comes to experimental interventions

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1 year ago
Reply to  Xebeche

Did I tell you about an elderly friend that got the jabs and got a deep vein thrombosis in his left leg so bad (at some point after being “coincidentally “vaccinated) that they had to open up his leg and vein from ankle to probably at least his crotch to clear the clots???

Yeah, he was real pro jab at one time.

I’m not sure if he still is…

Or if he ever got covid or not…

That’s the kind of thing I weigh in…

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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Did tell you about all the elderly people I know who got the vaccine and booster
with no serious side effects?

Festus Haggins
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1 year ago

They should extend this to young athletes, Not so much stroke but just flopping over dead on the field.

Giant Squirrel
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1 year ago
Reply to  Festus Haggins

There’s videos of dozens flopping on the ground

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

Not from the vaccine though..

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1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

There are videos of athletes “flopping on the ground” from the 1980s too.

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1 year ago
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🤔🧐Interesting…

The Hep B vaccine was introduced in 1982…

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5125a3.htm

I guess you hadn’t considered that…🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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1 year ago
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at least they were high on cocaine… this death shot is all risk no reward.

Aaaa
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Aaaa
1 year ago

“We Need To End All Of The Mandates’: Thomas Massie Rips COVID-19 Vaccine Requirements.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PrOoPbpO8YI

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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This is all I need to know.
Fears that the Covid booster shots made by Pfizer-BioNTech may increase the risk of strokes in people aged 65 and older were not borne out by an intensive scientific investigation, federal officials said on Friday.
“It is very unlikely” that the risk is real, the officials said. They urged Americans 6 months and older to continue getting booster shots. Federal officials decided to disclose the concern and the results of their investigation despite worries that the revelation might fuel anti-vaccine sentiment.
“We believe it is important to share this information with the public,” a joint statement from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration said.
NY Times-

Guest
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1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

You and everyone else have now been informed.

That’s all that matters.

Now they can cause all the strokes they want, and not only will they have no liability, there will be no other compensation from any other source, because you will have provided informed consent if you elect to receive the jab.

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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Check this out.

New Twitter Files reveal pharmaceutical industry lobbied social media over COVID vaccine content
BioNTech pressed Twitter to censor activists demanding low-cost generic vaccines, new files say.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-twitter-files-reveal-pharmaceutical-industry-lobbied-social-media-over-covid-vaccine-content.amp

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1 year ago
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Just some folks looking out for your health and well being. Just good honest scientists focused on protecting your health out of the goodness of their hearts. What’s not to trust?

The Real Brian
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1 year ago

Yes, everything official is out to get you.

Boogeyman type of stuff your trifling with.

I can’t believe you’ve made it this far what with being born in a hospital then growing up in society and driving in pre-designed cars on roads they’ve constructed to get to your house they built to fill the fridge they designed with the food you didn’t grow.

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1 year ago
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In your haste to be sparky I think you failed to actually read my post or maybe you didn’t follow the thread.

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1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Snarky*

grey fox
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1 year ago

No, he is more sparky than snarky.
He sure lights a lot of fires under peoples asses.

Thatguyinarcata
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1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

He’s certainly inflamed

grey fox
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1 year ago

Auto correct…Informed

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
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That’s a good one

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1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

🤞😉,

Breaking News:

Bayer has developed a single tablet, for all ages, that instantly cures naivety and gullibility, with lifelong 100% efficacy…

Stage 3 clinical trials have concluded, and it’s 100% clear that there are 0% risks or side effects…

All that remains necessary is FDA and CDC approval, and people will start seeing through all of their bullshit…

With this news, FDA and CDC officials are dropping like flies, from heart attacks, and those that survived have prioritized fast tracking the disapproval process.

In their panic, the officials issued a preemptive recall, before any tablets were ever even released, to prevent even a single American from possibly be cured.

The FDA and CDC officials were fearing for their financial future, and for their ensuing certain exposure of being the lying scumbags that they know they are.

😉🤞

grey fox
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1 year ago
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“Why did the anti vaxxer throw out their smoke alarms?
2 out of every 5 fire deaths occur at homes with smoke detectors.“
Unknown~

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1 year ago
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Sounds perfectly ethical…😜🤪

grey fox
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1 year ago

People aren’t taking this seriously’: experts say US Covid surge is big risk

Fewer precautions, recent holidays and subvariants have driven rise but boosters, masks and other precautions are still effective.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/15/covid-19-coronavirus-us-surge-complacency

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1 year ago

Its about the unvaccinated status of the ones that weren’t driving that they included in the study

It’s not a difficult concept, they had no control.

If a vaccinated driver hit an unvaccinated child pedestrian under 12 before eligible, and the child was hospitalized, 100% of those involved in that accident that were hospitalized were unvaccinated.

But 100% of the drivers were vaccinated.

This wasn’t even a study about just drivers.

It’s a study about those involved in vehicle accidents, that were hospitalized.

Drivers, passengers, pedestrians…

It’s lame.

Embrace it if you want…

If it was just about the drivers , that would be one thing, but it’s not.

Younger more inexperienced driver’s would have been less vaccinated as a whole at the time, further skewing the results.

grey fox
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1 year ago
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That’s your interpretation of the study.

More speculation.

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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From the study

“All of them combined accounted for 6,682 traffic crashes requiring emergency medical care for drivers, passengers, or pedestrians. Of those crashes, 25 per cent involved unvaccinated individuals.

“The study looked at those 18 and older, ensuring they were eligible for both a driver’s licence and a vaccine .”

You can get a license in Canada at 16. A permit at 15.

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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“According to Fortune, a 2021 study published in the Journal of Bioeconomics links self-reported risky driving to those who had skipped their flu shot.”
Desert News~

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1 year ago
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Use critical thinking skills, grey fox…

75% of crashes involved vaccinated individuals and somehow you conclude that it’s the unvaccinated people who are the most risky…???

That makes absolutely no sense.

In fact, it’s totally backwards…

And you don’t see an obvious glaring contradiction in that…???

Or am I just speculating again..???

grey fox
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1 year ago

A new coronavirus variant is circulating, the most transmissible one yet. Hospitalizations of infected patients are rising. And older adults represent nearly 90% of US deaths from Covid-19 in recent months, the largest portion since the start of the pandemic.
What does that mean for people 65 and older catching Covid for the first time or those experiencing a repeat infection? The message from infectious disease experts and geriatricians is clear: seek treatment with antiviral therapy, which remains effective against new Covid variants.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/17/health/what-seniors-need-to-know-paxlovid-wellness-partner/index.html

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1 year ago
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the message from the elites who made this in a lab: “Die Suddenly”

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1 year ago

Interest expense on our national debt exceeded $3,000 for each American household last year and is expected to double quickly as maturing debt is refinanced at current higher rates. Biden has added more than $6 trillion to national debt during his first two years in office increasing the total to 120% of GDP at over $31T. The economic future for our younger generations is being mortgaged to the point endless hyperinflation or default will lead to economic devastation for all Americans. Best alternative now is cut spending and raise everyone’s taxes to balance the budget.

grey fox
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1 year ago
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This has to do with Covid how?

grey fox
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1 year ago

COVID in California: Study finds ‘lifelong disabilities’ from long COVID
A large analysis of studies finds millions could face permanent problems if no action is taken.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/covid-update-california-17714724.php

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Giant Squirrel
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1 year ago
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I read 90% of “long covid” is psychosomatic

grey fox
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1 year ago
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Guest? Can you apply your BS detector to this.

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1 year ago
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To your comment?

I detect Solomon’s Paradox.

grey fox
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1 year ago
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I detect bias.

grey fox
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1 year ago
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Sustained psychological distress may be tied to long COVID.

But they cautioned against misinterpreting the results as supporting the idea that long-COVID symptoms are psychosomatic. “First, among respondents who developed post–COVID-19 conditions, more than 40% had no distress at baseline,” they wrote. “Second, symptoms of post–COVID-19 conditions differ substantially from symptoms of mental illness.”

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/sustained-psychological-distress-may-be-tied-long-covid

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1 year ago

We know that the vast majority of Americans put on ventilators in early months of covid were killed by what we now know was an inappropriate therapy guidance passed down from national health officials

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1 year ago
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“Killed”? Oh my.

Guest
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1 year ago
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It’s true.

grey fox
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1 year ago
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Real killing machines those ventilators.

Thatguyinarcata
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1 year ago
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https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/38/8/1141/2118237?login=false

“Ventilator-associated pneumonia (VAP) is the most common lethal infection observed in patients who require treatment in intensive care units (ICUs). ”

“Most estimates of the incidence of VAP cite a rate of 10%–40%”

“The crude mortality rate for VAP has been cited to be as high as 70%, ”

That study goes on to acknowledge that these post VAP deaths may only be 33-50% directly the result of the ventilator infection. But even taken the absolute bottom end of that estimate you’re looking at 3% of ventilator patients being killed by it. If you adopt the top end of both estimates you’re looking at nearly 20% of ventilator patients being killed by intubation.

This study preceded covid and focused on techniques that could mitigate that risk. Ventilators are a serious medical intervention that can be directly deadly for the patient, especially if it is installed by an inexperienced or otherwise distracted technician

grey fox
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1 year ago

What the hell does a study from 2004 have to do with anything?
You would think after 16 years they would have fixed the problem.

What’s your take on this? Which is what the discussion is about.

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“We know that the vast majority of Americans put on ventilators in early months of covid were killed by what we now know was an inappropriate therapy guidance passed down from national health officials”

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1 year ago
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I would expect that the stress and the rush of the first covid flush would make intubation even more dangerous, considering that the study I linked identified technician conduct as the primary factor.

Do you have any evidence that the mechanics or technology of intubation have changed since 2004? Or are you just making assertions without evidence? I’m detecting the bias issue discussed earlier

grey fox
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1 year ago

After 16 years I would hope so. That was the purpose of the study. I very much doubt it was just ignored. Though I can see a stressed out tech or nurse perhaps not following protocol. But would suspect that being a rare event.

Also factor in that a ventilator is life support. A last resort.
Of course we always can factor in the conspiracy theory’s.
Like nurses purposely murdering patients..
SMH

And the main issue is again being ignored. Squirrel stated this.
of covid
” were killed by what we now know was an inappropriate therapy guidance passed down from national health officials”
What therapy guidance?

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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PS. Along with ventilators being a last resort factor in patient comorbidities.

Thatguyinarcata
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1 year ago
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Intubation was the standard advise at the beginning of 2020. Don’t you recall the rush to source tens of thousands of ventilators? Intubation and remdesivir were part of the standard of care and were applied to many cases that would not call for them now.

It seems pretty clear that some people were “killed” by the inappropriate application of ventilators and probably remdesivir as well. How many isn’t going to be an easy answer to tease out.

grey fox
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1 year ago

You are still avoiding the issue of what squirrel said.

” were killed by what we now know was an inappropriate therapy guidance passed down from national health officials”

What therapy guidance?
What health officials?

grey fox
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1 year ago
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Giant Squirrel Guest
Giant Squirrel
23 hours ago
We know that the vast majority of Americans put on ventilators in early months of covid were killed by what we now know was an inappropriate therapy guidance passed down from national health officials.
~~~~~~~~~,,
Vast majority?

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1 year ago
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The therapy guidance was intubation and remdesivir.
The health officials were the ones that set and disseminate the standards of care.

Guest
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1 year ago

It was never routine. It was desperate last try to save a life already circling the drain.

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1 year ago
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🤔🧐,

“Baseline characteristics of remdesivir and nonremsdesivir group are summarized in Table 1. There was significantly higher proportion of elderly patients who received remdesivir (49.11% vs. 24.79%, P < 0.05). Remdesivir was prescribed more frequently in severe patients compared to mild–moderate disease (48.92 vs. 15.32%) [Figure 1]. There was significantly higher mortality in remdesivir group (50.44% vs. 16.12%, P < 0.05). The prevalence of comorbidities such as diabetes, hypertension, and chronic obstructive airway disease was significantly higher among patients treated with remdesivir (P < 0.05). Remdesivir group received additional medication such as dexamethasone, convalescent plasma, and tocilizumab more frequently than nonremdesivir group, while hydroxychloroquine prescribed more in the latter group (P < 0.05). Proportion of patients who require O2 inhalation, intensive care requirement (ICU), noninvasive ventilation (NIV), and mechanical ventilation were significantly higher in remdesivir group [Table 1]. Remdesivir group showed higher mortality in comparison to nonremdesivir group for both mild–moderate disease (20.53% versus 10.1%) and severe disease (78.07% versus 63.86%)"

Thatguyinarcata
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1 year ago
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It was estimated to be employed in around 3% of all infections. About 20% of cases that resulted in hospitalizations.

Considering that we’re talking about 100 million infections or more in a year, we’re talking about millions of cases of intubation in the first year of this pandemic. It was part of the standard of care.

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1 year ago

The one good thing about anti vaxxers is that they are herd creatures- one starts yelling, they are all soon yelling the same thing . That means it is rare that someone hasn’t already reported on their claims.

In this case, there was a study as early as May 2012 on this issue. “Current study concludes that early intubation is associated with improved survival rates in severe CARDS patients.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34177166/

This is probably more of the zombie Ioannidis saga. Which is in truth a living example that scientists can have very big egos and resentments as much as anyone else and can create very poor work attempting to prove themselves against critics. “Moreover, Prof. Ioannidis seems to be an excellent cautionary tale at how being a critic doesn’t necessarily mean that you can do what’s being criticized that well. He’s very good at finding the flaws in studies, but his studies during the pandemic demonstrate that, when designing studies of his own, he’s prone to every bias and flaw that he criticizes in others.”
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-heck-happened-to-john-ioannidis/

grey fox
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1 year ago
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I liken what’s happening to mass hysteria…🥴

PS: I also tried pointing out the “last resort” fact..

One poster even tried to blame Covid deaths on murdering nurses

They also don’t seem to realize the significance of comorbities the patients had.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
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I understand that you have a need to flagellate your straw man publicly and frequently, but please try to at least add something to the conversation while doing so.

Kym Kemp
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1 year ago

Pushing into the personal.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
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Should I make up an equivalent pejorative to “antivaxxer” that I can whip out to insult people?

Kym Kemp
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1 year ago

I believe mudblood is already in use…

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
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I don’t know that I’ve ever heard that and I certainly can’t recall someone using it on this site. I’ve seen people self apply the cringe inducing term “pure blood” so I guess that’s a logical opposite.

The real problem is the invention of a generalized “other ” that can be abused at will. I have no use for a term for all vaccinated people or even all ardent vaccine advocates. In my experience, most of them are happy with their choice and minimally concerned about the choices of others.

I have specific problems with the words and actions of specific people. I have no interest in disguising that by creating a straw man character to stand in their place and allow me to criticize them for any random behavior or idea I want to ascribe to them.

Thatguyinarcata
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1 year ago
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I stand corrected. I’m pretty sure that’s the same commenter that referred to themselves as a “pure blood” on this thread as well. Hateful and divisive language is a problem regardless of your view point.

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1 year ago

Post covid I think the ventilator mortality, especially with Remdesivir, (another killer), was as high or higher than 90%.

It was basically a death sentence, and the combined effects of the ventilator, and the Remdesivir, I heard, was basically drowning them,or something to that effect.

And, locally, in particular, I believe it was the nurses in charge of those ventilators, that were controlling the patients lives and deaths, specifically, and especially the unvaccinated patients, and in particular ones that they found other unacceptable reasons to discriminate against them for…

And the nurses made it very clear…

It should have been investigated, IMO.

Over sedation may have contributed.

It’s my opinion that in some cases, it was being done intentionally.

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https://journals.lww.com/lungindia/Fulltext/2022/01000/Effectiveness_of_remdesivir_on_hospital_stay.19.aspx

“…There was significantly higher mortality in remdesivir group (50.44% vs. 16.12%, P < 0.05)…."

' Conclusion'

"Remdesivir administration is not associated with a reduction in hospital stay duration or mortality either mild-to-moderate COVID-19 infection or severe COVID-19 infection."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7276026/

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Cont…

“…While experience with COVID-19 continues to grow, reported mortality rates range from 50–97% in those requiring mechanical ventilation…”

“These high mortality rates have raised concerns as to whether invasive mechanical ventilation should be avoided in the context of COVID-19.11-14 To help address the growing concern that critical illness, and specifically mechanical ventilation, are associated with a high risk of death, we conducted a retrospective cohort study of critically ill patients with COVID-19 across our academic health system.”

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Thatguyinarcata
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The issue with that claim is that a high mortality rate of people who were intubated and given remdesivir is hard to ascribe because, theoretically, the people receiving that treatment would have been experiencing a severe situation.

But obviously in the best case those protocols didn’t work well at all. Remdesivir has some very bad clinical trial outcomes, and the renal issues are notable given that those were a claimed covid outcome at the beginning and then they were sort of phased out from the conversation at a similar time that remdesivir fell out of favor.

Given the known risks we can rest assured that many people suffered as a result of those poorly conceived interventions. I come back to the frustration that people who were ultimately correctly questioning these kind of interventions were dismissed in real time and now that those people have been shown to have been correct they continue to be dismissed and defamed when they should be acknowledged for making the right calls from the start

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1 year ago

I hear you.

And I agree.

Giant Squirrel
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1 year ago
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Wouldn’t “intentionally” constitute murder?

Guest
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1 year ago
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Yes, it would.

And I believe that’s what was happening.

That’s how the covid patient load was being managed.

Especially certain ones.

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1 year ago
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https://kymkemp.com/2021/08/26/st-joes-icu-full-and-new-covid-rooms-crafted-as-equipment-and-staff-shortages-make-situation-desperate-other-hospitals-facing-similar-situations/

“A nurse told us. “We are doing our best and our team is tired. They are just done.”

“When we inquired with caregivers about how exactly the patients are being cared for in surge times, the consensus was that the hospital is doing it’s best to comply with Cal-OSHA standards requiring negative pressure airflow and HEPA filtration, effectively isolating patients in regular rooms, that are modified to conform to COVID-19 care standards. As one employee put it, “Those Covid patients are scattered around the hospital like chocolate chips in a cookie. That is unacceptable.”

“The staff say they are overwhelmed in their various assignments on a day to day basis. The increased time and use of equipment needed to care for these COVID-19 infected patients is exhausting caregivers as well as resources and beds.”

“At the time of publishing, there are 33 currently hospitalized [updated at 1 p.m.] with COVID in the County, and 11 of those are noted in the ICU. To date, 65 county residents have died from the infection. Between August 7 – 13, Humboldt County added 30 hospitalizations for COVID-19 county-wide, and counted an additional 2 deaths that week. Last week was similar, counting 29 added to hospital beds, and 4 lives lost between August 14 – 22 and three dead in yesterday’s count alone..”

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Cont…

“Several sources confirmed for the Redheaded Blackbelt that the Emergency Department recently has not been able to process patients in a timely way, at times causing next-day waits for people needing attention, and even turning away people who would otherwise have been admitted for care, but could not be tended to at the time they arrived. One staff member woefully explained that standards of care are simply not able to be met under the current surge circumstances.”

“Not only are COVID-positive community members potentially not being treated in hospital due to lack of beds and/or equipment, but non-COVID medical appointments are being canceled or postponed, and non-COVID emergencies are also potentially unable to adequately be addressed for this same reason. The surge in unvaccinated COVID-19 cases is too much for the hospital capacity to bear.”

“One interviewed employee exclaimed in frustration, “Right now it feels like the wild wild West and people can just do what they want to do. And that’s not OK. This is a hospital! There has to be structure and there has to be plans, and we can’t just keep moving in crisis mode. This is not working.” They went on to describe the influx of COVID patients, and which departments are housing and caring for them. COVID patients are not only in the ICU, they are on the Med-Surg level, also in the progressive care unit, and in the relatively new Intermediate Care Unit (IMCU). ”

“Another told us that the situation is untenable due to sheer frustration and fatigue among caregivers. Many are expressing outright anger at those choosing to remain unvaccinated as the hospital copes with ongoing turmoil.”

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Consider this comment from a local hospital employee…

“One frustrated employee explained, “All the beds are taken. They’re talking about converting the PACU – post anesthesia care unit – into a secondary ICU because people are unvaccinated monsters!” ”

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Sounds like killing “monsters” would not have been out of the question.

Negligent homicide, if not outright premeditated murder.

Guest
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1 year ago
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My friend lost her life there the day after this article was published.

Dont try and tell me she was properly cared for.

And one of the real monsters that worked there made discriminatory comments that should have cost her her job, and should have been grounds for an investigation.

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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She sounded stressed out about having to care for unvaccinated patients that could have possibly avoided hospitalization by being vaccinated.

I am sure she was voicing an opinion felt by many working at the hospital.
These are dedicated people who were put in a very stressful situation. I can understand her frustration.

But to imply she would have withheld care beyond her control is beyond belief..

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And this article was from just 4 days before….

https://kymkemp.com/2021/08/23/covid-summer-surge-mostly-among-the-unvaccinated-brings-humboldt-to-the-brink-of-hospital-capacity-as-staffing-crisis-worsens/

As we took feedback and statements from dismayed staff members and frustrated caregivers, many underscored what they considered a factor in their daily struggles to treat and care for members of the community – they insisted as one person stated, “We are in a war zone and there is no help, and there is no staff, and there is not enough equipment, and the hospital is not, you know…[NOT SAFE ?]” Sounding overwhelmed, they trailed off briefly and then added, “And we need the public to know what the risks are.”

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Another friend lost their life there just three days after the article was written, just two days after my other friend lost their life there.

Guest
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1 year ago
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To anyone that questions my opinion that “murders of certain “kinds “of people”, were taking place in the hospital at the time…

See if you can figure out the significance and meaning of this…

“One interviewed employee exclaimed in frustration, “Right now it feels like the wild wild West and people can just do what they want to do. And that’s not OK. This is a hospital!”…

What do you think happened in the “wild wild West” that was happening, unacceptably, in the hospital, that the interviewed employee was referring to…???

What kind of behavior do you think was being referred to?
What did it mean…???

It wasn’t just a random statement…

Something was going on that should NEVER happen in a hospital…

What could it have been…???

I’ll give you three guesses…

Hints:

1) Negligent homicide,
2) Manslaughter,
3) Premeditated Murder.

And don’t forget to factor in the clue…

“The wild, wild, West”

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Kym Kemp
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1 year ago
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Oh, for heaven’s sake. I just started looking at this. If you continue with these accusations that are based merely on the exhausted statements of overworked and stressed medical workers talking about their fears that unvaccinated people were endangering theirs and other’s lives, I’ll start deleting your posts about them as breaking the rule against accusations of illegal behavior without substantial evidence of wrongdoing. If you feel you have some evidence of something that falls into illegal behavior (which I would be stunned to learn) then you need to contact law enforcement. That is the proper avenue for accusations of homicide.

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Thank you.
People seem to think this is the “wild wild West” and can say whatever they want.
They need to realize there is an honest sheriff in town..
And ordinary citizens who are going to call out such behavior.

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1 year ago
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Fair enough.

I have stated that these are merely my opinions, and I have laid out my reasoning.

What I haven’t found again is the offensive Facebook comment from an employee, that would further corroborate the widespread discriminatory attitude and mistreatment.

But, Kym, please consider this…

If alarmingly insufficient care, bordering on, or in actuality, gross negligence, or worse, wasn’t an issue at the time, just immediately prior to the related deaths of which I speak, (that you are most likely aware of), then why on Earth would you have published 2 such scary reports on the woeful inadequacies of staff and beds, and equipment, and relief, involved at the establishment, in a matter or only 1-3 days, and 3-6 days of each of these friends deaths there, respectively.

Were you trying to call attention to something else?

It wasn’t exactly good publicity, was it?

What exactly did you suspect, or were your reporters trying to establish was of such “pressing” interest, that was allegedly completely haywire, which was apparently going on there at the time???

That all was hunky dory…???

I sure didn’t think so…

(That I was well versed with, before the outbreak, I might add, my wife had nearly succumbed to their “staffing problems”, surgical complications, and negligent post op evaluations, diagnosis and treatment…)

Was the “pressing” issue only that there was not enough people getting vaccinated???

Because, it’s your, (excellent), cutting edge, investigative journalism, (RHBB’s collectively, not just your’s specifically), and the resulting alarming reports, along with other evidence, that got my attention, and led me to the conclusion which is my opinion.

Consider the attitude that the unvaccinated at the time, that still amount to over 30% of “us” here in Humboldt, were considered by many, (too many), as being somehow sub-human… (“Monsters”)

That attitude persists to this day.

In my initial comment, I was careful to not use the word “murder”, (in which there are three or more levels), to be fair.

I addressed it as such only after the idea of mine was described or referred to as that, by multiple other commenters, who insinuated that it is I that initially suggested it.

I have been refraining from unproductive back and forth interactions with other commenters.

They have no idea what I’m talking about.

It leads to nothing but troubles.

That hasn’t stopped them.

Maybe you noticed it, maybe you didn’t.

Maybe it made a difference, maybe it didn’t.

The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

So many words with no meaning or succinct points

grey fox
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1 year ago
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You are actually gong to imply that these hard working dedicated people who risked their lives daily to care for Covid patients were intentionally murdering people.
Unfucking believable……

grey fox
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1 year ago
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Note the date..
More than 1,700 U.S. healthcare workers have died from COVID-19, nurses’ union says

 Tina Reed Sep 28, 2020

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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LOST ON THE FRONTLINE
12 Months of Trauma: More Than 3,600 US Health Workers Died in Covid’s First Year

By Jane Spencer, The Guardian and Christina Jewett
APRIL 8, 2021

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Giant Squirrel
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1 year ago
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National health Failure to promote available thereuputics early is responsible for killing hundreds of thousands more

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

Got a link or any proof what so ever?

Other wise, it’s just your opinion and you are plagiarizing.
Can you please address the issue. Or do I have to wait for an outside researcher?

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1 year ago
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And Fauci has foremost responsibility for these extra several hundred thousand American deaths by focusing exclusively on vaccines instead of simultaneously deploying effective thereuputics, same deadly mistake he made with AIDS

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1 year ago
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Opinion not fact…

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1 year ago
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This is all I need to know…

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/covid-xbb-1-5-more-likely-to-infect-the-vaccinated-study-cautions/amp-11673947790420.html

‘COVID XBB.1.5 more likely to infect the vaccinated: Study cautions’

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1 year ago
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From your link.

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“Getting vaccinated and getting the updated booster is still the best way to protect yourself from hospitalization and death from COVID-19, including from these new variants. Get your updated booster today.”

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1 year ago
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Tweet by NYC Department of Health and Mental Hygiene misinterpreted; no evidence that XBB.1.5 preferentially infects vaccinated people.

Lack of context: The statement that the Omicron subvariant XBB.1.5 was “possibly more likely” to infect vaccinated people was intended as a comparison of XBB.1.5 with other variants, not vaccinated people with unvaccinated people.
Inadequate support: There’s no evidence supporting the claim that vaccinated people are more vulnerable to infection by XBB.1.5. The evidence so far indicates that unvaccinated people are more likely to develop COVID-19 and die compared to vaccinated people.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/tweet-by-nyc-department-health-mental-hygiene-misinterpreted-no-evidence-xbb15-preferentially-infects-vaccinated-people/

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Cont…

” ‘More likely to infect vaccinated’ ”

…”A recent study by the NYC Department of Health and Mental Hygiene showed XBB.1.5 is the most transmissible form of COVID-19 that we know of to date and may be more likely to infect people who have been vaccinated or already had COVID-19″…

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1 year ago
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“Jan 18 (Reuters) – Johnson & Johnson (JNJ.N) said on Wednesday that it was pulling the plug on a late-stage global trial of an HIV vaccine after the shot was found ineffective at preventing infections.

The trial’s failure marks yet another setback in the search for a vaccine against a virus known to mutate rapidly and find unique ways to evade the immune system, and comes more than a year after another of J&J’s HIV vaccine failed a study.”

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1 year ago
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https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nevada-countys-health-board-to-consider-banning-covid-flu-vaccines/

‘Nevada county’s health board to consider banning COVID, flu vaccines’

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1 year ago

XBB.1.5, an omicron subvariant, nicknamed the “Kraken,” has been considered by some as the most transmissible variant of COVID-19 seen yet. That doesn’t mean it’s necessarily more severe. It’s thought by Sanford and Avera officials to have the same amount of severity as its predecessors so far.

So far, Cauwels said while the new variant is spreading quickly, vaccines and treatments have seemed to be effective in preventing people from being admitted into a hospital or dying. The unvaccinated are most at risk of hospitalization and death compared to those who are vaccinated, according to Sanford Health.

https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/local/2023/01/17/covid-19-variant-xbb-15-south-dakota-waht-know-symptoms-booster/69806475007/

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1 year ago

Encore: How did COVID warp our sense of time? It’s a matter of perception.

The pandemic distorted our sense of time. For some, time stood still. For others, it sped up. The difference depended on factors from culture to emotional state.

https://www.npr.org/2023/01/17/1149646377/encore-how-did-covid-warp-our-sense-of-time-its-a-matter-of-perception

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1 year ago

Marjorie Taylor Greene Sparks Anger With ‘Pure Bloods’ Tweet About Unvaccinated.
The far-right lawmaker’s personal Twitter account was reinstated following a ban for sharing COVID-19 misinformation

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marjorie-taylor-greene-covid-tweets_n_637dd6e2e4b0e4c7758d6d59

Here is one of the many responses.

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Nothing screams out white supremacy than using the term “pure blood.” Way to stay on brand.

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1 year ago
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I have pure blood and I am not racist

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-introduce-pandemic-over-bidens-unacceptable-extension-covid-emergency

‘Republicans introduce ‘Pandemic Is Over’ act after Biden’s ‘unacceptable’ extension of COVID emergency’

“Biden said in September that COVID pandemic was ‘over’ “

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1 year ago
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But then Biden wouldn’t be able to continue transferring hundreds of billions of student debt and interest onto backs of blue collar tax paying Americans

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1 year ago
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Exactly.

And he needs those votes…

And he wants all Americans to pay for them…

I paid my student loans, so should everyone else…

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