Letter Writer Expresses Concern About Halloween Festival Drag Show in Eureka

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Photo taken at Redwood Pride Halloween

Photo taken at Redwood Pride Halloween

To whom may be concerned:

I write to you regarding the Halloween festival on October 23rd at the Jefferson Center in Eureka CA. By now you have likely read the article in the Lost Coast Outpost which conveniently only provides one side of the story from a fraction of the people who interacted that day.

Before I review the event, I would like to ask you a few questions, would you dance around in your underwear in front of a 3yr old child?

Do you think it is appropriate or legal for adults to engage in sexually suggestive dance routines showing bare legs and underwear in front of minors?

Is it acceptable to normalize adults performing sexually suggestive dances in their underwear in exchange for money in the presence of young children from our community?

As you will see in the video clip below and the attached images, what I’ve described above in my questions did in fact occur at this event.

https://rumble.com/v1qprsu-drag-show-halloween-inapropriate-for-young-children.html

The fact it was an all-ages event featuring a scantily clad drag show is the sole factor protestors took issue with. Some of the images captured at the event during one of the dances, I believe qualifies as indecent exposure. Additionally, a witness in the video below claims that a minor was doing a dance routine in exchange for money during the second half of the event after the 11-minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzXYqdmLZm8

If you took the time to get both sides of the story, the people protesting the event, tell a far different story than Lost Coast Outpost tells. That they were in fact sitting and standing around the benches, and it was people from within the event who approached them and began to escalate things.

I strongly recommend taking the time to investigate all available information as to what really transpired. The many videos collected during the event, Eureka Police body cam footage as well as the accounting of multiple protestors will demonstrate that the escalation of the situation was brought on by the event attendee’s reaction to the presence of protestors.

I don’t doubt that some people on both sides of the exchange said mean and or hurtful things, I do not think any of which were outside the realm of free speech. The groups Transitional age Youth and the Ravens Project are reported to offer pathways to gender-affirming surgeries and or hormone therapy and puberty blockers.  A controversial issue when dealing with minors, that many people across the country view as genital mutilation. This is due to the fact that afterwards the people who get such surgeries can no longer have children or have fully functional genitals as they might have had prior.

As for whoever allegedly called the Ink People leaving threatening messages that is one individual, that is not acceptable behavior, but generalizing the choice words of a few or the actions of one into a (hate group) is not honest or productive. I viewed the entire first half of the drag show myself out of curiosity, seeing if it was as vulgar or inappropriate as some other examples that have popped up around the country (examples below).

(Inappropriate example of children at a drag show in Texas)

https://nypost.com/2022/10/18/video-of-drag-queen-gyrating-next-to-child-sparks-backlash/

(Footage of first half of drag show)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxaPiBT7PaQ&t=29s

The dance routines in the first half of the show did seem to have sexual overtones, but the outfits were acceptably covering the dancers’ private areas. When the organizer tried to kick Press out and bar them from filming a public event, it did seem suspicious. Compared to what was reported by the person who attended the 2nd half of the drag show, the performers during the first half may have been acting or dressing in a less provocative way while aware the cameras were rolling.

One thing to consider is that If the sexually suggestive drag show was 18+, there would not have been a protest. Why are these folks seeking to attract minors as their audience for sexually provocative dance routines, where the volume of cash they are rewarded is directly associated with the level of indecency they display?

If you are a parent, would you deem this an acceptable event for your minors to attend? If so, would you treat it like the County Fair and let your kids wander freely? Should parents who identify as alcoholics be allowed to take their kids into bars because they believe it to be acceptable? I think not.

After exiting the 1rs half of the Drag show, I went down and conversed with the protestors and people from within the event that were still somewhat engaged. Below is some video footage from the event showcasing an interaction that ended with both sides apologizing for their behavior, ending on relatively good terms.

(footage of both sides apologizing for using mean and hurtful language)

https://rumble.com/v1qfy0g-drag-show-halloween-talk-it-out-and-resolution.html

As you can clearly see, there are two sides to this story, and the truth is most definitely somewhere in the middle. Please don’t pick a political winner and a political loser on this issue, all members involved are members of the community acting out of concern for what they believe to be important.

Thank you for your consideration
Ash Teeter
P.S.: There was an update to the discussion…in the recent human rights commission meeting. [See video]


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guest`
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guest`
1 year ago

I guess some people wish to forget what a transvestite is. There are men who get sexual kicks from wearing women’s clothes and some men are into preying on children.

Cross dressing is a well known paraphilia. Paraphilias do not travel alone. These men who have a paraphilia don’t have just one. They have a main perversion and secondary perversions. These shows just cater to men who have a paraphelia to engage in their paraphelia with children and it isn’t innocent to the Drag Queens at all.

c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago
Reply to  guest`

or a case of some missing chromosomes

Guest
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Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  c u 2morrow

🤔🧐,

“a case of some missing chromosomes”?

Really?

SMDH

You might want to re-think that one…

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago
Reply to  guest`

Vote me down and you need your hard drive checked.

Speaking the truth is not hate. I don’t care what men like to wear or if they get surgeries. It just doesn’t make them women and nor does it make adult “entertainment” safe for children.

What are children learning from these shows? To get more allowance (tips) dress and dance like a stripper? Sex work (stripping) is work? That creepy man in a dress with a camera is not a problem in your girls bathroom?

Hooyaa
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Hooyaa
1 year ago
Reply to  guest`

Seems like the Roman empire all over , before it fell . Degenerate ! They used a lot of lead . We poison the air , water , food , with nero- toxins ! Good luck there .

Thanks for proving our point!D
Member
Reply to  guest`

The eighties called… they want their hateful terminology back, boomer.
Also, lmk when you know an actual drag queen or trans person
I suggest you take a good look at all the older men in your circle👀 Many predators hide themselves among the straights

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago

But the “translesbians” are straight men, yes. You are just not seeing things clearly. Yes they are a risk to children.

Thanks for proving our point!D
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Reply to  guest`

Bahahahahahahaha
My take is the only dangerous thing about a “Translesbian”( whatever the hell that means) is that they identify as male. You know- the 50% of the population that creeps on the other 50%. I agree. Men are a “risk to children”. Your verbiage, not mine. But, I have dated in this county
💩🚽
Also, I hope folks’ mental gymnastics via Fox News also helps their physical fitness 🤸‍♂️
Keep your mind out of other folks’ undergarments and bedrooms! Drag shows will always be exponentially more fun than anything your crew has to offer. I’m talking to you, churchies🫵
And have a blessed day😁✌️

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago

A translesbian is a heterosexual man who claims to be trans. Do keep up, TFPOP.

Thanks for proving our point!D
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Do you know any of these” trans lesbians” you imagine? If you did, you’d be way more fun at parties.
Trust and believe I keep up on all the bigots exposed 😘

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago

Hey if you are chaser go for it.

But stop pushing these transvestites on women and children who are not into your perversion and womanface mockery.

Xebeche
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Xebeche
1 year ago
Reply to  guest`

Attendence at this event was VOLUNTARY, not Mandatory. It was pushed in no one’s face

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago
Reply to  Xebeche

It’s mandatory to the children DRAGGED to it by their parents.

meme
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meme
1 year ago
Reply to  guest`

I think you mean church

In my 1911 I trust
Guest
In my 1911 I trust
1 year ago

You are playing into people’s mental illness and delusions. These people are mentally ill and are trying to spread their perversions onto children. Drag shows are fine. Men in women’s dresses are fine.

Any sexually explicit show is not fine for minors. Drag show, strip club, anything. Men in women’s bathrooms and playing women’s sports is not ok. That’s the crux of the issue. Not whether a dude wants to wear a woman’s dress or not.

Just got in from outer space, couple questions:
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Just got in from outer space, couple questions:
1 year ago

Highschool cheerleading. Just as creepy and weird, if you step back and think about what we’re all conditioned to accept.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
1 year ago

Is that the issue we’re discussing? Yeah seems like there were some pretty terrible happenings involving a physician and our Olympic gymnastics team. You can conflate pretty much anything.

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I like stars
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I like stars
1 year ago

Maybe you attract a certain type?

meme
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meme
1 year ago

Blessed be the fruit

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
1 year ago

Alot of transvestite men have zero regard for women and are slowly usurping women’s rights.

I don’t understand how a white person in blackface trying to act black is horribly racist while a man prancing around in a woman’s dress wearing “woman-face” isn’t considered horribly misogynistic.

Bananas 🍌
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Bananas 🍌
1 year ago

“I don’t understand how a white person in blackface trying to act black is horribly racist while a man prancing around in a woman’s dress wearing “woman-face” isn’t considered horribly misogynistic.”

Boom!

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago

Exactly. Only no one puts up with blackface because it is racist. Womanface is sexist and degrading.

Tim
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Tim
1 year ago
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I honestly don’t know why you give a shit, I certainly don’t. There’s much about human behavior that I find baffling and so as long as it’s people making free choices about things that affect them and not me, I just ignore it.

You sound like the kind of person who would object strenuously to someone telling you how to raise your kids and yet here you are ranting about someone else’s decisions.

I don’t particularly like death metal music, so I don’t go to shows that feature it or listen to radio stations that play it nor would I let my kids play it in the house. This seems like the same thing — if you don’t think your kids ought to attend, don’t take them.

Frankly the vehemence of your objections reek a bit of projection — are you sure you aren’t slipping into your partner’s underwear and dancing around the house when they aren’t around?

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Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  Tim

You are diligently applying your own biases in complaining about this person’s biases. And, applying my own biases, I can say you would find taking a child to a KKK meeting no matter what the parents decide is worthy of complaint.

It is hard to always figure out what “guest’s” objections truly are. But I can see the point of objecting to the rights of transgender men invading what spaces society has, very reluctantly, carved out to increase women’s safety and allow them to participate more fully. The fact that a male can self identify as a woman in sport but still happily take full advantage of the gender derived extra bone and muscle to win is one piece. Fine, you want that then put on a belt with 50 lbs of dead weight when you compete.
That would be fair. Having self identified males having free access to women’s bathrooms is dangerous for women. While they may rarely (mind you rarely, not absolutely) be in danger from transgender men, they certainly will be in danger from men using that pretext for easing access for abuse. While female dressing males may find other males threaten them while using a men’s toilet, they still have muscles and mass to survive the abuse that women don’t. So why should the threats against them outweigh the threats that all women face every day? Many a woman has scraped off an unwanted aggressive male threat by ducking into the society enforced segregation of the woman’s restroom. It’s part of the learned coping mechanisms that rule women’s lives of which men are totally ignorant. Like holding key’s like Wolerine claws in a parking structure or avoiding eye contact with that man giving off strange vibes at the club.

It is always easier for society to dismiss women’s worries. But to do that for that for over half the population in preference to the microscopic percentage of transgender men shows the true depth of contempt for women as a group.

The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

The fact that a male can self identify as a woman in sport but still happily take full advantage of the gender derived extra bone and muscle to win is one piece. Fine, you want that then put on a belt with 50 lbs of dead weight when you compete.

Co-ed sports has allowed for gender neutrality with ease for a very long time.

On the other hand ✋,

Perhaps a trans-league-of-sports will emerge to satisfy your and others’ concerns.

Tim
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Tim
1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

You’ll have to excuse my obtuseness but I fail to see how having a Halloween drag show where attendance is completely voluntary is invading the safe space carved out for women’s safety.

The concerns about safety in women’s restrooms from transgender males is I think wildly over-hyped by conservative media. I’m not dismissing that the resulting anxiety might be real for some women, I’m simply pointing out that it is almost entirely based on hypotheticals.

Women face many real dangers in our society and the overwhelming majority are from cis-gendered straight males. I’m not trying to belittle that concern at all but aim at the real problems, not imaginary ones.

As for sports, to be blunt, they are already so incredibly contrived that they exist solely for entertainment purposes to fulfill our cultural demand for competition. I can’t take anything seriously that purports there is some great significance to modern sports of any kind. If trans-gendered individuals blow up that cultural paradigm in a way that points out how silly it is, then great. If someone is willing to surgically alter their genitals to compete in a women’s event just to win, well that’s just hilarious.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago
Reply to  Tim

Children should not be at drag strip shows.

Tim
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Tim
1 year ago
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I agree, the noise those cars make at a drag strip is seriously damaging to kids hearing!

The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  Tim

As for sports, to be blunt, they are already so incredibly contrived that they exist solely for entertainment purposes to fulfill our cultural demand for competition. I can’t take anything seriously that purports there is some great significance to modern sports of any kind. If trans-gendered individuals blow up that cultural paradigm in a way that points out how silly it is, then great. If someone is willing to surgically alter their genitals to compete in a women’s event just to win, well that’s just hilarious.

Incredible point Tim.

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Good for you both. It’s not an incredible pint. It’s a petty and mean point. Petty enough to be irrelevant and only used to dismiss. Dismiss everything that doesn’t fit your agenda.
Sport is full of participants who do what they do for the love of doing it. That it can and sometimes is commercialised is because, while doing what you love is great, you still have to get enough money to eat and dress and get out of the cold and buy equipment to keep doing it. Meanwhile those of us incapable or unwilling to sacrifice for it get to vicariously enjoy it. There are thousands of “sports” people practice that get zero income, in fact only expense and no return at all is more usual, and few that get obscene amounts of money. I doubt whether swimming, a loaded example, for example is competitive for most participants enough to reap huge rewards but still many do it for the enjoyment. But your insisting on inserting civil rights into sport has squashed the aspiration of many women atheists.
Since apparently it is a point that you prefer to ignore, the is a loaded social pressure at the moment to turn every twist of human sexuality into a battle for human rights, whether it merits it or not. Whether it is destructive or not. And including drag queens under the LBGQ umbrella of civil action is one with the most tenuous stretches imaginable. The idea of drag being a matter of civil justice and using it to bash people who do not see drag queens as victims is itself abuse. It can only be valid if every single choice can be included as a matter of social equity. There must be a line somewhere where on one side is simple personal distaste, not a violation of civil rights.
If there is no line, then everything from pedophilia to overeating must be accepted as equally valid. And boy, drag is not in the same category as racism or misogyny for abuse. It’s a choice, not an inherent condition. Clothes come off at the end of the day. It always comes down to drag being a show and frankly a show that only has the dissonance of stereotyping to create interest. Drag inherently needs to keep the idea that women and men are different to get its frisson. It needs to keep the point that men can appropriate any aspect of womanhood for entertainment. It’s deliberately disrespectful of women’s choices of dress or behavior. A showgirl is- well- a sort of career. Making fun of a showgirl is just mean. People seem to find humor in meanness. Fine but it is not a matter of civil rights. Any more than being a stand up comic is a class of victim. Or clowns. Or political pudits. It’s an act. Simple drag shows are a mindless ridiculing of women. To do it well enough to achieve enough art to overcome the meanness does not apply in this case. Distaste is appropriate. Get over it.

Tim
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Tim
1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

People who participate in a sport for the joy of it probably aren’t concerned about the exceedingly rare occurrence of someone transgendered also participating for the joy of it.

People trying to make money at a sport are entertainers, plain and simple. And our culture gives FAR too much importance to entertainers of all types so forgive me if I simply don’t give a shit if their feelings are hurt because someone transgendered also wants to try and make money at it.

I think conservatives have their undies in a twist over this simply because they prefer a neat binary world where everything fits into its traditional place. They seem to need this even if that means discriminating against anyone who doesn’t fit into their neat, traditional categories. The current social pressure is to simply remove that discrimination.

Honestly, I don’t know much about drag culture because it’s never seemed interesting to me. So I can’t speak to their motivations but some of it seems like straight-on satire while other bits seem like people wanting to express themselves in a way they can’t with traditional attire. I don’t think any of them should be given special status, nor should they be discriminated against simply for living how they choose to as long as they aren’t forcing it on someone else.

Searching for a rationale that all of this is somehow an affront to womanhood because some men dress in clothes traditionally worn by women is about the same as fundamentalists who don’t like women who wear traditionally male clothing or refusing to wear mandated clothing (e.g. the hijab in Iran right now) and seems a bit contrived at best.

TL:DR — all people are weird. Let them be their own kind of weird as long at they aren’t forcing others to be weird in the same way out of some misguided sense of propriety.

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F. Hue
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F. Hue
1 year ago

Why did you take a 3 year old child to such an event or attend at all for that matter if you are so concerned about it? It is what it is, a PRIDE event, a DRAG show! Have you ever been to San Francisco during one of these events? I happened to be once while visiting a friend. So for kicks, we went down and watched the parade. Bare chested men in assless chaps and bondage gear and families with children lined the streets! You didn’t have to go… That’s like taking a 3 year old to a Hells Angels event then complaining about all the scary bikers and loud motorcycles!

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F. Hue
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F. Hue
1 year ago
Reply to  F. Hue

Go to a concert then complain it’s too loud. Go to the circus then complain about the clowns. Go to the rodeo then complain about the cows. Go to a festival then complain about the crowd. Go to a PRIDE parade then complain their too proud. Go home!

It's everywhere to see young girl's near naked
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It's everywhere to see young girl's near naked
1 year ago
Reply to  F. Hue

Go to a beach and see women with a thong swim suit. Go to a gymnast event and see girls in skin tight garb. Go to a skating event and see men in full length pants and women in bikini bottoms doing high kicks. Watch cheerleaders do crotch shots while standing overhead on a male’s out stretched arms. And there are more events.

smh
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smh
1 year ago

Obviously you haven’t seen a video of the event. It was not comparable to any of those other things. It was highly sexually suggestive, with performers even getting $1 tips like strippers.

It's everywhere to see young girl's near naked
Guest
It's everywhere to see young girl's near naked
1 year ago
Reply to  smh

You are correct I have not seen the event. And I assume young children did not put money into their underwear. But my references take importance because children are bombarded with images of near naked females. That is paired with sexual comparisons. Why?? It is crap to say they are only expressing themselves and should be allowed because it’s their bodies and the viewer who makes the sexual reference. It is the male who sees the sexual nature of the images not the females. Have you ever seen a male with exposed parts of his anatomy as females are prone to do? Not likely.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago

Watch the video it is in the article. It is right there. Watch it. Is that children’s entertainment?

Thanks for proving our point!D
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My children are thoroughly entertained by amazing artistry , body positivity, and supporting oppressed community members. Guess we can’t all raise our kids right 🤷🏻‍♀️

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago

I think you need to consider the children and let them have a childhood away from men with fetishes.

Joe
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Joe
1 year ago
Reply to  guest`

Perfectly said!👍👍👍

meme
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meme
1 year ago
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I’m more concerned with keeping them away from bigots

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
1 year ago

Amazing artistry? It looked more like narcissism, flouncing around thinking “I’m soooo hot!”

Bananas 🍌
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Bananas 🍌
1 year ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

The blonde woman in the black slit dressed who has been highlighted the most in this event’s coverage was born a woman … so it isn’t even “drag” she’s just provocative.
The actual artistry of drag is not on display here.

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago

They would be equally entertained by those very funny minstrels in black face except the point was to make jokes at some other group’s expense. Indeed the eighties have called and you seem fine with it.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
1 year ago

Quit deflecting, you know that’s not true. The kids don’t even realize what they are seeing. They are following their parents horrible lead. I remember growing up if anybody did that it was grounds for CPS. Do whatever you want but you know it’s wrong, absolutely wrong to do anything like that in front of children.

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago

Nope. Never. Superhero in tights, actors and Chippendales do not exist.

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Thanks for proving our point!D
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We tip in appreciation as many of our queer friends are discriminated against in the work place. Also, art should be financially supported. Don’t museums charge fees to see art? Art is also the sign of an enlightened, intelligent society.

I don’t need to see the video. I likely attended, clapped, and threw money. Body positivity is something we can all enjoy. Sorry you were taught to hate yourselves and others. 😔
Let’s not forget you are siding with a human that started a rant about bare legs like it’s 19fing32. Guess this is what you meant by “being great again”?! Smdh
Also, where’s the outcry about the tip top or the burlesque show? Ohhhhh, I forgot. It’s fine when the straights do it.
Don’t you have a nine month abortion to protest or something?

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago

“Also, where’s the outcry about the tip top or the burlesque show? Ohhhhh, I forgot. It’s fine when the straights do it.”

Tip top is 18+, so are any burlesque shows that I’ve ever been to (including ones that included or were explicitly drag focused). That seems to be the issue you don’t recognize. People have a problem with the presence of children at an event like this. Many people don’t consider things like burlesque shows to be appropriate places for children

In my 1911 I trust
Guest
In my 1911 I trust
1 year ago

That’s not art. And minors are not allowed into the Tip Top. The whole issue is about the children. Your view is so perverted you can’t even touch the subject we are concerned about. You know why? Because you know it’s wrong. You keep spewing namby pamby bs about body positivity.

Those people are not body positive. Body positivity means treating your body right. Those men in dresses are overweight and look like they will have a myriad of health problems due to their unhealthiness to go along with all the mental problems they already have.

Bananas 🍌
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Bananas 🍌
1 year ago

The Tiptop and Burlesque are over 18 events … try to keep up.

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago

And your point? I think you confuse Instagram with reality. Personally I’ve never seen a woman in a thong at Clam Beach.

old guy
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old guy
1 year ago
Reply to  F. Hue

i think if a bunch of wild and crazy hetros did the same they would have been arrested.

smh
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smh
1 year ago
Reply to  old guy

I agree.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago
Reply to  old guy

Well no. I bet all those performers were actually “translesbians”. So, it was a bunch of straight men who wear dresses and call themselves trans. So no, they would not be arrested and in fact the City Counsel will defend them as long as they call themselves trans.

meme
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meme
1 year ago
Reply to  F. Hue

Why aren’t they complaining about going to church and getting molested by clergy?

The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  meme

Every Sunday their brains are reconditioned to not care.

Thatguyinarcata
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Thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  meme

Who isn’t complaining about molestation by clergy?

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago
Reply to  F. Hue

These shows are promoted to families. Predators take advantage of the safeguarding lapses and this certainly is a lapse of parental common sense if we give the parents a benefit of a doubt on motivations.

I would question the motives of a parent that decides to take their very young children to a show like the one pictured above.

I would question what the point of taking a child to a show that is normally an adult oriented form of entertainment usually put on in strip clubs and bars.

I really question why these adults are taking these children to witness these sort of adult shows and participate by sticking dollars in their clothing worn on their genitals. What could the motivation be? Hmm? Is it family friendly because the g-string stays on? I really question that too.

What is wrong with having a real grandmother read a nice book to the kids without some adult sexual/political agenda being shoved into their childhoods? Why can’t we promote letting children be kids instead of pushing this adultness on them so young? Why? Why can’t trans/queer stop bothering children? Why are they so aggro about doing these shows for children? Why? Because they want to break down the children’s sense of right and wrongness. If the little girls go into the bathroom and a transvestite is in there wanking and taking pictures of himself to post online they want to get away with it. Go ahead, go on twitter or reddit r/mtf and look at #girlslikeus you will find trans posting their bathroom photos. Go on reddit, go read their own words on the various trans communities they themselves will tell you their motivations and it is all wank, wank, wank.

In my 1911 I trust
Guest
In my 1911 I trust
1 year ago
Reply to  guest`

They are promoting it to young children because if they are truly trans and go through with the surgeries it renders them sterile. The only way transgenders can “reproduce” is by recruiting YOUR kids. That’s why they are pushing it on them so young. It’s called INDOCTRINATION. Also when adults are pushing anything sexual, anything at all sexual into minors, it makes them PREDATORS. We have laws against this sort of thing for a reason. Or we used to at least.

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Bananas 🍌
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Bananas 🍌
1 year ago
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They don’t want children to have childhoods … they are hurting in myriad ways and want others to feel their pain.

More often than not, those that suffer the greatest gender disphoria have been sexually harmed at a young age. The girl who was abused now wants to be a boy as she believes that will stop the abuse.

To the parents of Trans kids that didn’t personally abuse their child, maybe look to see if it did happen while you were unaware …

My cousin is F2M and her half brother raped her when she was young. This has only truly come to light 30 years later.

Bananas 🍌
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Bananas 🍌
1 year ago
Reply to  Bananas 🍌

And I say her now, because she’s gone back to “just being a lesbian” after the hormones racked her body!

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guest`
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1 year ago
Reply to  Bananas 🍌

Usually, transmen start showing regret around 5 to 10 years. It takes that long for the truth to break through.

Recently I saw a tiktok of a transman who has realized they are still female and were having doubts about going back to female appearance. She had some voice changes and receeding hairline and thought “no one will ever see me as female again no matter what I do.” It isn’t true. She looks female even with the hairloss. After a bunch of women told her the truth that they could tell she was female and it would not be impossible to “detransition”. This ex-transman came to the realization that everyone around her was lying about her “passing” and just using her special pronouns just to be nice. It ultimately helped her to detransition.

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Thanks to all of queer Humboldt and their allies for continuing to stand up in the face of such ridiculous hate speech!!!!!My family( yes, children too😱) love our local drag scene, our fearless queer friends, and will NEVER allow such bigoted bs to go without a response.
Who the hell are you to judge anyone for expressing themselves ,and their allies for continuing to make safe space for them? I posit that YOU are the problem. If you don’t support, keep your ignorant self at home. We will be over here having a raucous time expressing our souls, enjoying a fantastic show , and supporting each other. And though you are akin to an amoeba, we would still welcome you. Why? Because we are over here doing the actual lord’s work supporting each other. You know, like Jesus- the first unarmed brown man murdered by the state.
So, keep giving us reason to support and love each other more. You stay home with the family that still speaks to you while you try to pray the gay away.
Also, sorry you lost the elections 😜
♥️💖💙💗💜💛🖤💚🧡🤎🫶✊👠

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smh
1 year ago

You take your kids to city lights too?

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Is it a drag show?
Then, yessssssssss!

Flyte
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Flyte
1 year ago

I’m guessing Jesus was not the first unarmed brown man murdered by the state.

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Bug on a Windshield
1 year ago
Reply to  Flyte

Yeah, in all of human civilization? He may have been special, but not that special.

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My bad… the first FAMOUS unarmed brown man murdered by the state

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1 year ago

Seriously? No one cares if anyone is gay. This is not about gay it is about males in drag stripping for children in a community center while the parents give them money in tips. What is the message here and what does “gay” have do with it? Gay is adult men who are into adult men. No one really cares if adult men have relations with adult men who know exactly what they are doing. This isn’t about that and that is why it is being called out. Stop force teaming gay men with this nonsense.

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Nooo
1 year ago

Making a joke out of grotesquely parodying and stereotyping women is not pride in anything except the freedom to do whatever they want. That’s okay but a human right? Loving others? Finding common ground in co opting other’s goals? Riding the battle wagon for civil rights does not make cross dressing anything but an indulgence.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
1 year ago

Jesus always loves you and will always welcome you into His kingdom. It doesn’t matter the sins you’ve committed or the sins you are going to commit. The only condition to entering the Kingdom of Heaven is to accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. However, Jesus had very strong words for those who corrupt young children.

“Whoever leads one of these children who believe in Me astray, it would be better for him to have a great millstone ties around his neck and be thrown into the sea.” Mark 9:42

The thing about truly accepting Jesus is that the Lord’s law has been written across our hearts and minds. If you love and truly accept Him, you will find it increasingly difficult to not follow and abide by Him. That’s what belief, faith, and love do.

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The Real Brian
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1 year ago

MAN made God.

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
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It would be easier to believe man made flawed gods than gods made such flawed people.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

Man did make flawed gods and we continue to this day.

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In my 1911 I trust
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

God made man. Your point?

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Also, stay off reddit, weirdos!

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1 year ago

reddit is all about Trans. The mods are trans. They do not let anyone say “transwomen are male” there. The weirdos run the place and it is filled with misogyny and violence because it is run by the trans mods. You should look to see what you defend, TFPOP.

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Bahaha. Wuuuuuut?
More mental gymnastics 🤸‍♂️ from the tin foil hat crew. I forgot to stretch first

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Bush Rebel
1 year ago

Don’t u understand reddit was made for everyone by a rebel who believed in open source information. He either hung himself or they killed him. Its about truth and a place everyone can belong. He was looking at 80 years in prison for haking into MIT. He was getting info that proved exon and mit knew about global warming. They killed him for that. So no u don’t get to claim reddit as some fascist idea only for straight people. Your exactly what reddit was ment to challenge.

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1 year ago
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spoken like a real p-Redditor.

Sam
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Sam
1 year ago

Absolutely disgusting 🤮 and the chick built like a nfl linemen is the cherry on top to an absolute horrific scene where these poor people don’t know if they should stand up to pee or sit down. Either way some serious problems occurring within our community. This is in no way acceptable to the common American who still holds values and virtues above these nasty individuals wanting sexual acceptance when they don’t even accept themselves

Serra
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Serra
1 year ago

I think people like you should be forced to take classes about what ACTUAL child abuse looks like. To learn what the ACTUAL word “groomer” means, where the statistics lie with sexual abuse. You’ll find out it’s ABSOLUTELY not here. The problem with people like you is that you find anything and everything with the body sexual. It’s not. You people also ignore the amount of sexual exposure kids get everyday of their lives. Have you watched tv lately? You do realize most children have access to the internet and endless amount of sexual material? You people are misguided. Just because you don’t like it and you don’t understand you feel you have the right AND the expertise to make judgement, but you don’t. This wasn’t a mandatory event, the parents of those children CHOSE to have them there so really, it’s none of your business and stop pretending like you’re “protecting” anyone. More than anything teach children the right words for their anatomy and watch your relatives and close friends, because that’s where sexual abuse ACTUALLY lies.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Serra

Parents and other adults with common sense and a good sense of boundary do not need to take classes to recognize child abuse. You want us brainwashed so no one has any boundaries around women and children.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Serra

I suppose it could be argued that parents porn-surfing with their children is ultimately their own business, but that’s far from saying it’s healthy.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

no it’s not healthy and it can’t be argued for. Ugh. grooming.

Bananas 🍌
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Bananas 🍌
1 year ago
Reply to  Serra

Ain’t it incredible? I mean after all, look at where ‘redwood pride dot com’ takes you …

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
1 year ago
Reply to  Serra

That is abuse and it is grooming. Parents are usually the primary abusers of their kids. So abusive parents exposing their kids to predators who are grooming them is par for the course.

Responsible parents have parental controls on the internet that their kids use and monitor what their children watch on TV. Also responsible parents keep there kids away from men in women’s dresses who want to shake their ass for those said kids.

Responsibility, the key thing that is missing all around.

Anyway, as a father, I do agree it is those parents choice whether to expose those kids to that sort of thing or not. I will raise my child to stay away from that sort of thing. I wonder who will grow into a healthy adult, children pumped full of Covid boosters and drag shows, or a kid who has been raised learning math, science, reading, writing, and how to work. Let’s see who’s child is outcompeting and outperforming whose in the next ten years.

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1 year ago

As per typical there is no middle ground majority opinions expressed in the comments.

There is a tremendous middle ground between assuming that anyone with gender dysphoria or who likes to crossdress is a pedophile, and on the other hand thinking that it’s appropriate to have what amounts to a burlesque show in public, with children attending.

Bananas 🍌
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Bananas 🍌
1 year ago
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This one deserves a bump, an upvote, and discussion, because THIS is the crux of the conversation that everyone seems to be avoiding …

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
1 year ago

What was the organizers’ purpose in a drag show for kids?

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1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

They were trying to get your goat.

Just joking…

Actually, I agree that this was possibly if not probably a questionable, inappropriate event to be dubbed for “All Ages”…

(I didn’t attend)…

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Hate to break it to you but there are …. Gasp!…. LGBTQIA+ children😱
and we support them!

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1 year ago

None of them are old enough to consent to sex and some aren’t old enough to know they aren’t a dinosaur or a choochoo train, how dafux can you say they are any of those?

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1 year ago
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Is TFPOP a troll? What’s this crazy code plus children mean?

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1 year ago

Let me be clear and disperse the glitter and rainbows for a second by defining LGBTQIA means.

Lesbian, gay, and bi are all sexual orientations. None of those orientations require any surgery or hormones. Adults who have sex with other adults are within their rights and are not anyone’s concern. If it was a born this way condition they would have found the ‘gay’ gene. There are even gay/straight twins to study and they have found no born this way trait in any study anywhere.

Transgender has not been defined yet in a way that isn’t word salad. But children are not born in the wrong bodies. Telling them they are is abusive.

Queer is kink. Anything goes here. Queer makes it look fuzzy to the masses because they have no idea what queer is. Older gays and lesbians think queer is a slur. Straight people with kinks are queer. Furries are queer. Poly is queer. Fetish is queer.

Intersex is a condition of really was born this way they don’t like to be called intersex. They refer to their condition as DSD.

A is Asexual apparently. An amoeba is asexual. Whatever.

Peaseblossom
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1 year ago

You obviously don’t have children.

Because if you did – NO MATTER THE ORIENTATION- of the performers, you would understand that this show was not appropriate for children.

Just because a child has expressed they feel they are LGBTQIA at a young age doesn’t mean they need to immediately be exposed to adult sexuality. It would be like sitting down and explaining to your three year old how to give a head job or cunnilingus.

Let kids be kids for a minute and stop layering YOUR hate and discontentment onto the undeveloped mind of a child who is not old enough yet for the content.

Bananas 🍌
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Bananas 🍌
1 year ago
Reply to  Peaseblossom

How many teenage goths are still presenting as goth when they are older?

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Entering a world of pain
1 year ago
Reply to  Bananas 🍌

Not very many, they all turned emo

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In my 1911 I trust
1 year ago

How do you know, how do those children know? Are they passed puberty? There are many different ways to express being male or female. It’s called individuality. This movement at its core strips people of their individuality by immediately labeling them “trans” when a boy or girl does anything out of the stereotypical norms for their sex. This places boundaries and labels on everyone and actually stifles creativity. There is nothing creative about if you do this then you are this. Trans people actually become there labels and pronouns and become one of the crowd, places in a box. They lose their personality because all their personality is is labels and pronouns and their penis or vagina. Cause that’s what all this labels and pronouns are centered around. So they pretty much become their penis or there vagina or the penis or vagina they have never had and never will have.

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Xebeche
1 year ago

If laws were broken, why were there no arrests? If you were so offended, why did you stay? Were babies crying in fear or laughing with everyone else?

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1 year ago

Hahahahahahahahahahhhaaahahaha! The Catholic Chuch has the highest count on child predators in the world! Of course they don’t consider sex with children as an abomination instead it’s referred to as a priestly indulgence! Let’s all go visit their priests and churches and tear them down with whatever tools you can carry!

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1 year ago
Reply to  Cetan Bluesky

Priests and Drag shows are not safe for children. I agree!

local observer
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local observer
1 year ago

fear stems from ignorance. ignorance stems from lack of understand. etc. etc.

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1 year ago
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You are ignorant, you refuse to watch the video so you keep defending the indefensible.

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1 year ago

Not as if this is going to matter at all to any of you but the person who is being used as the thumbnail and every other very homophobic and plain wrong rhetoric is me. If you have an issue with my horrendous blue grannie panties and horrid wardrobe malfunction you can comment below. The story around this thumbnail is not a representation of drag other then our looks sometimes not working like mine clearly did not. I woke up that day, threw on whatever dress I had avaliable and had to stage manage all of the entertainment so I did not have time to go swap my dress and did not notice the function of it until later in the 2nd half. If you’d like to have discussion about MY body you can also comment below. Otherwise this one thing is not a representation of the entire show yall just managed to shoot some really cheap shots of my granny panties so congratulations? Also thank you to the person who said I’m built like an NFL player that’s the most positive thing I’ve ever been told about my body lemme tell ya.

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🫶

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Reply to  Eve

Please remain unapologetic,and unbothered by this ignorance. We support you and your courage! And thanks for sharing your life experience with our children so their generation doesn’t have to be subjected to this bs

Hayforker
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1 year ago
Reply to  Eve

Allowing kids into an event like this is not a good idea generally. Sure some people won’t have an issue, but it does seem problematic. I think that all the publicity of these events over the past few years is enough to make organizers realize the inherent negative publicity they will see. I have to believe they want this attention or believe having kids watch is so important that they don’t care.

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Thirdeye
1 year ago
Reply to  Eve

It seems you wanted attention and attention came your way.

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  Eve

And didn’t have time to ask if you should. Only that you could.

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In my 1911 I trust
1 year ago
Reply to  Eve

Stay away from children under 18 and you have no problems. Aren’t you ashamed of yourself?

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Non-Native
1 year ago
Reply to  Eve

I’m sorry that people who have a political axe to grind are slandering you. There was NOTHING wrong with the show, and there is NOTHING wrong with you. To the people who believe that this show was “grooming” (insert eyeroll) it is not. You want to see real grooming, go to any church that tells girls they are not as good as boys, or anyone who doesn’t fit into a misogynistic box that they are not “normal”. According to statistics, children are most likely to be molested by a family member, and I can almost guarantee it will be a “straight” family member. The hateful vitriol coming from this Ash person is ignorant and uninformed. Why is it that I feel that most of the fellas that are complaining about the drag show would be absolutely fine with a bunch of women parading around on stage in bikinis? Double standard much? Or, maybe, they get some funny feels about the show and have to shove them deep down inside.
Again, Eve, I am very sorry you are having to deal with ignorance. Please know that these people don’t represent everyone.

Wreckin Ralph
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Wreckin Ralph
1 year ago

That link goes to the Lost Coast Populist, not the Lost Coast Outpost, which I find misleading.

Bush Rebel
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1 year ago

A few months ago Swiss beats kickicked off a famous raper for twerking on a live you tube dance off. She complained feeling it was over her larger body frame while Swiss beats claimed it was over adult behavior on a family friendly show. This situation is similar in the fact that the controversy is over provocation not sexual orientation. Trans people are apart of OUR community. After viewing the clip I personally feel it was a bad choice in costume. I’ve attended lady Chablie’s(sorry my spelling is horrible.) drag show In savanna gorgia as well as others. Its my feeling that if these folks had access to more costumes dresses and wings they would have an easier time expressing their femininity, feeling less necessary to be proactive. The outfit does that. So please consider an olive branch in the guise of dresses and wigs, donating these items while asking to tone it down a notch could be a wonderful compromise

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1 year ago
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That man designed his outfit to reveal his underwear to children and he is bragging about it on this thread, he obviously gets off on showing children his “granny panties” . as he said so himself. Now you just think he needs better costumes? I think he needs to stop exposing himself to children and everyone needs to stop enabling him.

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In my 1911 I trust
1 year ago
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It’s not about the wardrobe it’s about the fact that these are not child appropriate events.

local observer
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local observer
1 year ago

the letter writer is a real facebook BOT, as in a real person but acts like a spam bot posting dis-information on a daily basis on all of our local news outlets.

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1 year ago
Reply to  local observer

People really do care about children and think children should be allowed a childhood free of an adult sexual/political agenda by men who claim they are women.

No one thinks a male body can be turned into a woman. No one. Not even the ones using your pronouns, not even the ones repeating your mantras.

It is all a forced “be kind” lie or fear of being called a bigot that is keeping people from calling this out.

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1 year ago
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So, your issue is transwomen? “…should be allowed a childhood free of an adult sexual/political agenda by men who claim they are women.”
Or is it all sexual/political agendas? So, kids at political rallies and protests as a whole are unacceptable to you, or only the ones regarding LGQBT+ issues? Are you equally upset about hetero sex/nudity on tv shows?
I ask because that is not how your comments are coming off.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa Music

Let them have a childhood without the adults forcing them to participate in a fetish.

Lisa Music
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1 year ago
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Again, I ask, is it only the transwomen or “fetish” as you call it, part of this that bothers you? Because that’s how it comes across.

As a parent, prior to them being adults, I chose what was appropriate for my kids to view under my control on tv, via video games and at the events that we chose to attend, as most parents do. What we all choose as appropriate varies. I often did not stay at community functions after a certain time when the adult crowd became more inebriated as I was not comfortable with my kids around that. However, others did. That was their choice. Some things I was okay with my kids viewing, that others weren’t. Again, the parents’ choice.

I’m assuming a burlesque show is not your thing. If you’re a parent, you can decide that your kids don’t go to burlesque shows. Some people may. If the problem isn’t the burlesque part but the transwomen part, that’s bigoted, but even then, you get to decide to not attend trans burlesque shows with your children.

IMO, kids seeing people in all their diversity allows for acceptance of individuality. Seeing a gay or trans person does not persuade a kid to be gay or trans. However, as parents, our reaction and conversation around these topics lets our kids know whether we should treat people different than ourselves with respect or not… and how we will treat them if they are also different than us.

I don’t see this outrage at any local burlesque shows, during twerk competitions, racing events with “trophy girls”, or boycotting of sexually explicit shows on television. Until that happens, this appears trans and homophobic.

I hope I’m wrong and this is parents simply concerned about kids being exposed to what they deem sexually explicit content that they don’t approve, and therefore wouldn’t take their children to. And that’s your choice. But you don’t get to decide that for other parents, nor do you get to enter peoples’ homes and tell them which tv channels their children are allowed to watch.

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In my 1911 I trust
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa Music

There is no such thing as transwomen. Just severely misguided men with mental illness. Just as there are no transmen, just severely misguided women with mental illness.

Playing into the mental delusions of a very small percentage of society and through that allowing those individuals to dictate the “new” public norms has never worked out for any society in history. These sorts of things usually precede a collapse of society.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa Music

Stop force teaming gay, lesbian, and bi people with this adult fetish trans stuff. This is not ok.

Children should have a right to a childhood free of adults speculating their future sex lives and trying to “help”.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa Music

And yes, I’ve been at enough protests to know it isn’t a safe place for children. It just isn’t a safe place to take children. Things get out of control, you don’t know who will show up, you don’t know how the police will behave, you don’t know if some nut will plow into a crowd with a car.

I don’t expect children’s programing to be males stripping for money from mom on TV.

What I am arguing for is to let these kids have a childhood.

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Abolish Income Tax
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa Music

Why do we ignore the fact that we’ve chosen to ignore the real enemy of the people is the the theft of our income, redistributed without any input from us.

If you want to explore your sexuality, keep it on private property. Kids can’t watch R movies, buy cigarettes, alcohol, but our kids have been sexualized much earlier than they are able to be financially literate.

This movement is simply moving the window to make sex with children acceptable.

Plenty of white papers on the issue.

Lisa Music
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1 year ago

Around 80-90% of child molesters are heterosexual males. Of the 80% of child molesters that assaulted young boys, most were married with a wife and children. 30% of all sexual abuse victims are assaulted by a family member.
Grooming for pedophilia could look like sitcoms showing kids spending time with their fun uncle.
Here’s the thing, child molestation and grooming are real things but there’s a higher chance it’s coming from within your own circle of straight friends than from a drag show.
Protecting your children from molestation is important, but when you start looking at groups that are different than you as a source bc a pedophile is so far from what you personally would do or anyone that outwardly appears just like you, you miss the real danger.
You would probably unknowingly like your neighborhood molester, even have a beer with him, and never know it.
That is why we need harsher sentencing for those convicted of molestation and rape. Why we need to fund investigations into sex-trafficking and prosecute perps that finance this.
If you feel our kids are being exposed to things too early, I can understand that. It’s on our tv every day, on our radio, in the pages of every magazine. This is nothing new and not something I foresee going away anytime soon. That’s an issue that can be brought up without targeting a specific group of people that are different than you, especially when that group is astronomically less likely to sexually assault a child than your good buddy John Doe next door.
Want to protect your child? There’s no guarantee but there are steps you can do to ensure you know if something is off. Here’s a link to a RAAIN article with tips: How Can I Protect My Child From Sexual Assault? | RAINN

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1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa Music

The male in the dress is still male. Still male and still a risk. Still male and you are participating in his fetish with children. Please open your eyes.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa Music

You think a heterosexual male that puts on a dress is suddenly not male and not a risk. The current crop of trans identified men are mostly hetersexual males. Meaning they are male and they want sex from females the dress is just a new way to impose on women and degrade women. It is a sexual kick and you are participating in it.

Lisa Music
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1 year ago
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So you’re affirming your issue is with men that dress as women? Got it.

Don’t dress it up as worry about pedophiles or grooming as you’re ignoring the greatest risk to children & instead labeling an entire group of people as molesters based on your aversion to what they choose to do with their life. Just be clear about it. Don’t take your kid.

You could try to make a law making any display of sexually suggestive dance/display made for the 18 or over crowd but that’ll never happen bc its everywhere and most people have no problem with it unless it is done by people they deem less than themselves such as trans people.

No one forced anyone to take their kids to this show. Parents chose to. You, and even I may choose differently, but thats our choice.

Are you advocating for laws restricting parental rights? The fcc altering your tv programming the minute you have a child bc you cant decide what is turned on in your home? Whether you can go to an event where alcohol is served bc it isn’t appropriate? Should kids not be allowed at a belly-dancing event? Where does it end? And who gets to decide what is right for my child?

If you believe a law was broken, contact law enforcement. Otherwise you’re saying your beliefs about trans women and males that dress in female clothes is how we must all feel. You’re free to your beliefs, but don’t dress it up as concern for kids when really its another opportunity for you to denounce another group of people you don’t agree with.

Your comments wield power and people can assume that these people are sexual predators simply based on them being different and do them harm. Be careful labeling an entire group as something.

You can not like it, you can not participate, you can even go as far as the protestors and show up to say you believe this is wrong. But by saying its wrong bc they’re grooming children with zero proof of any wrong doing, not even statistical, is negligent.

If you have proof of wrongdoing, contact law enforcement. If children are being hurt, abused or neglected, contact law enforcement. Otherwise make your own personal choices about what you and your children participate in and let others do the same.

You can come on here and spew hate and denounce entire groups of people bc you don’t agree with them but, the way i see it, thats simply spreading more hate.

Luckily, in this country, freedom means you get to say what you say, and think what you think. Unfortunately for you, those same freedoms are extended to everyone and those that want to dress as women get to do just that, no matter how much you don’t like it.

And yet again, we’ve stepped away from the topic that you declare as the heart of the issue: the children. If you have proof a child is being hurt, contact law enforcement. Sexual predators exist, and the vast majority of them will never be at a drag event. So do we start protesting sports games? Churches? Male mentors? Do we treat every hetero male as a child molester bc thats the group that is most likely to molest a child? No. Because that would be crazy to treat a whole group as predators without proof. That would be incredibly unfair to all the men not molesting children, that could never stomach even the thought. Hmmm… perhaps we should extend that courtesy to the groups that are also less likely to be child molesters as well. Just a thought.

And hey, if you hate trans women or those that dress in drag, do you, but please stop insisting this is based on protecting children… otherwise id see you protesting every straight male dominated event, especially those that sexualize women as young girls are two times more likely to be molested than males.

Your hateful denunciation of a group of people you don’t approve of, take away from the real work of protecting children from the very real danger of sexual predators, a third of which are related to the victim.

Sexual predators are real, but you don’t have to go looking for them, you’ve probably invited them into your home. Start there.

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In my 1911 I trust
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa Music

A lot of those heterosexual males throw a wig and a dress on and then creep on your children. That’s the problem. Cut it off and show us you are serious and here to play (without) balls. Otherwise you’re just a phonyf**ker.

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1 year ago

Hardly any of them get surgery. If they do it is all above the waist.

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1 year ago

Also, even if they get their junk inverted and tucked they are still male. Same risk for males. Otherwise how could we explain that this teeny tiny minority is overly represented in prisons and as sex offenders? Why are there so many transwomen sex offenders in prison?

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1 year ago
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Well genetically they will always be male but if they cut off the peepee it shows they are serious and we can all have a serious conversation regarding those individuals. Those are by far the minority though, the rest of them are just phonyf**kers. Dude with tits and a dress with a dick = messed up pervert. Dude with tits and a dress who has had his junk chopped off and a hole drilled in him, well I will absolutely believe that that individual truly thinks that they are female. Otherwise, phonyf**ker with mental illness.

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1 year ago

No. It’s a sign the fetish has completely taken over and they are willing to mutilate themselves just to fufill a fantasy of turning into a girl. It is an escalation not a solution.

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  Lisa Music

So you’re saying that a heterosexual male is make the vast majority (80-90%) of perpetrators of sexual violence? Since they are 97% of the population, that leave a larger per capita percentage non heterosexual males to do damage. Not the point trying to be made here.

Okay but basically that is a useless conversation. There is no genetic predisposition to wear a certain value of clothing- no one is biologically predisposed to wear plaid flannel shirts or tuxedos or sequined ball gowns or just heels or anything else. There may be an impulse for soft or shiny but that is not what is happening here as those things do not mean needing to cross dress. Cross dressing in history means seeing a value in presenting the self as something other than their stereotypical assigned gender roll.

Admiring the power of others and trying to emulate it is a human thing. Kids dress up as transformers or princesses because they think that putting on outside aspect of that society chooses to label as powerful gives them a share of that power. Usually, when people grow up, they recognize that an appearance of power is not the same as power. Quite the reverse. Trying to use clothing to present power is an acknowledgement of a lack of that power innately. Constant acting instead of reality.

Dress for success is the technique of signally and making use of common values. Dress against the group stereotyping is a declaration of attack against common values. It is not neutral. It has meaning. But children are in too vulnerable place to understand all the levels of what is going on. The idea that adults should be so self indulgent in presenting their own displays that they ignore the limited ability of children in making choice is grotesque. Children will find themselves engaging in behavior by imitation without a clue what that behavior means. Fine when there is no real Transformer wars or princess fairy tales to actually get caught in but not when there is very real danger to them in the imitating. Anything goes is not safe for children.

Nono
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Nono
1 year ago

To everyone here saying what do kids learn from this.. I’d have to say probably a lot more than we learned from Nancy Reagan and her forced D.A.R.E shit, and the don’t forget to tell on your parents seminars the shitty feds,state,county provided all us local kids at school

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Al L Ivesmatr
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1 year ago
Reply to  Nono

Keep your weird agenda away from children. And no, I do not need to ever accept confused males dressed up as women dirty dancing for money. They come with mental health issues which need positive affirmation to make them feel good about their strange lifestyle. They use children because kids cannot object like their parents. Very diabolical. Additionally, the kids are not gonna pound the crap out of them like many fathers might if they ever attempted that in front of them when accompanying their children in a safe publicspace. Hence, “just do it in the road” liberal mommies and their helpless kids become the audience and unwilling victims of negative energy and debauchery. On another note, why would any adult want to watch some fat slob man clown attempting a pole dance? Go see real women pole dancers once in your life when you become an adult, as they are amazingly flexible and athletic, if that is your thingy.

Nono
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Nono
1 year ago
Reply to  Al L Ivesmatr

Wow. You need serious help. I thought I was off my rocker.. holy fukin Toledo batman get this gentleman a stress ball.

Non-Native
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Non-Native
1 year ago
Reply to  Al L Ivesmatr

I’m going to make a wild guess that your favorite movie isn’t ” The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert”.

Pseudonymous
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1 year ago

Kym Kemp once again spreading hate. Fuck you Kim.

Hayforker
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1 year ago
Reply to  Pseudonymous

It’s a letter to the editor, not a piece Kym wrote. This subject is of interest to many people. I’m wondering about it myself, but your reaction adds to the appearance that there is something to hide.

If you’re so pissed try writing your own letter and may the best idea win.

Farce
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Farce
1 year ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Hayforker- You are right on with your comments on this thread. We have disagreed strongly but not here!

Bananas 🍌
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Bananas 🍌
1 year ago
Reply to  Pseudonymous

Dissent does not automatically equal hate. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t automatically mean they hate you. And I would hope vice versa.

This “my way is the only way” is not healthy for anyone, either “side” of the coin.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Pseudonymous

It’s a letter to the editor & states that it is not fact checked or reflect the views of the editor. I have formatted and hit publish on many letters i disagree with, but people are entitled to their opinions the same as you and I. I may not like their opinions, but I cant say I believe in free speech and then pick and choose who gets to have a letter to the editor published.

Lynn H
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Lynn H
1 year ago

Well, it should have been obvious, but now you know. Don’t bring your 3 YO to a trans dance event if you’re concerned about public display of any kind of sexuality. It was probably billed as an all ages event in support of Queer youth who have very few outlets or support and might really appreciate being included.

Personally I don’t see why anyone cares what anyone identifies as or does as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else and as long as no one is peeing all over the floor in the ladies room. Now that is something that crosses the line..

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guest`
1 year ago
Reply to  Lynn H

Could you define what you mean by “queer”?

Oh Please
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Oh Please
1 year ago

It’s obvious Ash Teeter went to this Halloween drag show to film the event to trash the LGBTQ community. She is spreading hate speech calling us groomers and Sodom and Gomorrah in Humboldt County. Men dressing as women has been a long tradition in many cultures and dance by any gender can be suggestive. The parents with children were free to leave at any time if they thought the behavior of people at the party was unacceptable. It seems that Kym Kemp has given a religious extremist named Ash Teeter a pulpit to spread her painfully long 27 minute speech of hatred. I think we should let parents be the judge on what is good or bad for their own children.

Jay
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Jay
1 year ago
Reply to  Oh Please

That’s Elaine Ziegler in the video.

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Bananas 🍌
1 year ago
Reply to  Oh Please

Why are you assuming Ash’s gender and religious affiliation?

I thought y’all were against stereo types …

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1 year ago
Reply to  Oh Please

Are you assuming Ash’s pronouns now?

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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  Oh Please

If it would be hard to find agreement with all of a religious extremest’s values, it is likely there would be some point where agreement can be found. Just like there is some point of agreement to be found on extremists LGBTQ+ too. But not all. Inclusivity is of a limited value. It is good for including groups of people who are not damaging to society but not one person who uses that term means that people who are damaging should be included. And trying to define which is which is a continuous effort. So get over yourself. You do not own the world and can not expect to be unopposed in slathering on your own hate while objecting to others doing the same.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Oh Please

FYI, Ash is a dude.

Michelle
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1 year ago

Way too much time spent posting that long, long, long letter. Free speech supporters seem to forget we Americans have a host of other rights. Especially the right to assemble. Don’t you think parents are smart enough to know they are entertainers? If you’re so disgusted then why did you spend so much time at the event? That’s some play by play. Maybe next time stay home.

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Bananas 🍌
1 year ago
Reply to  Michelle

Power up and assemble. Be proud. Don’t dance provocatively for cash from children and we’re good.

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  Michelle

“Don’t you think parents are smart enough to know they are entertainers?” It’s the children who don’t know but even then do you think that all parents are that smart? That there are no parents who let toddlers grab guns or take recreational drugs or drive cars? Really? You think no one other than parents should have an interest in protecting other people’s children?

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1 year ago
Reply to  Michelle

You like drag shows and you are an adult? Go to the drag show and leave your children with the grandparents. Do not take your kids to the drag show it is not children’s entertainment. You children deserve respect. They only get one childhood and it would be respectful of children if you let them live in innocence for as long as possible.

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1 year ago
Reply to  guest`

Children attending this sort of thing accompanied by an adult that is, in fact, their parent, is one thing…

However, children attending this sort of thing, accompanied by an adult, that is, in fact, not their parent, is quite a bit different…

That, in fact, is not even being addressed here, at all.

And I am certainly not buying the “wardrobe malfunction” nonsense.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Drag shows are not children’s entertainment even if mom and dad are insane clowns.

Richard
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Richard
1 year ago

The point is to steal the masculinity of young men and boys and make them more feminine. This is being normalized across the country but especially in liberal states like California. This trans thing is out of control this is exactly why my children no longer attend public school in California.

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Non-Native
1 year ago
Reply to  Richard

Do you also believe that JFK and JFK Jr. will appear in Dealey Plaza to give the presidency back to trump? Because that’s some far out crap you’re spouting there! Brought to you by Tucker Carlson I’m sure.

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The Real Brian
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1 year ago

Nothing to see here

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The Real Brian
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1 year ago

Am I making my point yet?

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Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
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No. You mean you have been unaware that children routinely mimic adults without understanding all the issues? Or that parent’s routinely apply adult behaviors on children because it’s cute without understanding their effects? And that it is something worth addressing? And that men parodying what children do is not the same as examining it?

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The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

You’ve missed my point entirely

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

The clarify it because indeed it looks to me like a misogynist justifying ridicule of women. If it was that girl children are sometimes sexualized by adults for entertainment so they don’t deserve consideration about the drag queens doing it, then say so.

guest`
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guest`
1 year ago

Some kids identify as Batman. How far are we supposed to take that?

Word.
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The Real Brian
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1 year ago

Kisses for everyone. 🤦‍♂️

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1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Yeah, that looks pretty exploitive too, in the same way that child beauty pageants are exploitive. At least the one below shows some values of athleticism and teamwork.

The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

It is not uncommon to see cheerleaders at every professional sports game. They usually comprise young, mostly white women who have a profession outside their cheerleading careers. A game pamphlet typically has information about the team’s cheerleaders – not only their names and pictures, but also their occupation and age are made public.

As an example, let’s take a look at the Colts website introducing its cheerleaders. The cheerleaders in the photos wear clothes that reveal a lot of their skin. Is the team trying to make them look sexually attractive? Their dance moves can also be interpreted in a sexual way. Each cheerleader has biography of herself on the website, which says her name and the three adjectives she would use to describe herself. A lot of those adjectives are so-called feminine traits like caring, thoughtful, warm, kind, or sweet. What type of messages do cheerleaders potentially deliver to the public, especially to young women, and should we be concerned?

https://www.prindleinstitute.org/2017/05/controversy-around-cheerleading-industry/

An NCAA report conducted in 2011 found that 75 percent of student-athletes identified with a Christian religion. Just 13 percent of respondents said they weren’t religious.

https://www.elonnewsnetwork.com/article/2016/04/religion-athletics-elon

At Georgia, Richt brought students to church and hired a team chaplain; at Clemson, Swinney has gone further, facilitating team Bible studies and staging baptisms at team practices.

https://divinity.uchicago.edu/sightings/articles/how-evangelicalism-shaping-college-football

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1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

So your point is that, since some religions have treated women as stereotyped subservient tools, no one can object to drag queens doing it too? Those below are women who are stigmatized by religion for being women too. You suggest this is drag queen attire? Or are you just so anti religion that you stereotype every religious women too?

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The Real Brian
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1 year ago

CHEER!

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Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

If you can’t see the difference in the issues going on, then walk a mile in women’s shoes for real. Not as a drag queen whose vulnerabilities are fake and get taken off at the end of the show.

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Nono
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1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Why the hell do you have so many of these pictures??? Literally the only thing that bothered me in this whole article was your pictures and the context applied. Always appreciate your comments, but damn B.

The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  Nono

Just from google. I don’t “have them”.

It’s to make the point that this article and the points by many commentors are ridiculous.

Especially when coming from a hard line Christian, which is the biggest backer of said young cheerleaders.

Political science dictates saying the same line 3 times take a point. Hence the disturbing yet cometely normal photos.

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The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  Nono

So you’re saying you’re ignorant enough to think cheerleaders were 18+ only.

Crikey!
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Crikey!
1 year ago

If one really cares about their community, they would be more concerned about dramatic childless incels.

Non-Native
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Non-Native
1 year ago
Reply to  Crikey!

Truth!!

Non-Native
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Non-Native
1 year ago

It seems like you identify most as ignorant with a persecution complex.

Sky PilotD
Member
1 year ago

I couldn’t care less what adults do in private. When they do it in public and in front of children…well, then I have a problem with it.