Appeal of Nordic Aquafarms Approval to be Heard by Board of Supervisors on Wednesday

Nordic Aquafarms

[Image from the County of Humboldt’s EIR]

The Humboldt County Board of Supervisors will hold a special meeting on Wednesday, September 28th to address the appeal of the BOS’s August 4th unanimous approval of the Nordic Aquafarms project.

The Humboldt Fishermen’s Marketing Association, the Redwood Region Audubon Society and 350 Humboldt filed an appeal stating that the county’s Environmental Impact Report (EIR) did not take into account several environmental impacts the project will have.

Originally, the proposed 766,530 square foot land-based fish farm on the Samoa peninsula presented an Initial Study and Mitigated Negative Declaration back in 2020 that would not need an EIR to determine the environmental impacts the project could possibly have. After the county received 243 comments regarding the project, an EIR was initiated. The EIR in question states, “The net finding of the EiR is that there are no significant unavoidable impacts associated with the project. All impacts can be mitigated to a less than significant level. The resolution prepared for the certification of the EIR goes into detail all of the rationale behind the findings within the document.”

proposed nordic aquafarms site on samoa peninsula gis mapThe proposed fish farm, if approved, will be built on the old pulp mill site. Nordic Aquafarms has committed to a $10 million site cleanup and remediation efforts of the old site.

Supporters say that the project will provide hundreds of jobs during the construction with approximately 150 permanent jobs once completed. The fish farm is slated to operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with two work shifts.

site map of proposed building ontop of old pulp mill siteThose opposing the project are concerned with the large energy consumption needed–the need is

equivalent to the energy demands of the cities of Eureka and Fortuna combined. To offset some of those needs, the project will utilize solar power generated by panels that will cover 657K square feet of the project.

Humboldt Bay Municipal Water District has signed off on the project stating that they have sufficient capacity to provide the maximum 300K gallons of potable water needed daily in addition to the maximum 3 million gallons of untreated water daily. The district provided the now defunct pulp mills with a maximum of 65 million gallons of untreated water daily.

The proposed fish farm will treat wastewater onsite prior to discharge of the maximum 12.5 million gallons per day 1.55 miles offshore.

The special meeting of the Board of Supervisors will begin at 9 a.m. on the 28th with presentations from Nordic Aquafarms representatives and the appellants followed by public comment. The agenda for the meeting can be found by clicking here.

The agenda gives instructions for public comment:

Email Public Comment:
To submit public comment to the Board please email [email protected], provide your name and the agenda item number(s) on which you wish to comment. All public comment submitted after the agenda has been published will be included with the administrative record after the fact.

Zoom Public Comment:
When the Board of Supervisors announce the agenda item that you wish to comment on, call the conference line 720 707 2699, enter Meeting ID 816 5545 3244 and press star (*) 9 on your phone, this will raise your hand. You’ll continue to hear the Board meeting on the call.

PLEASE TURN OFF YOUR TV OR LIVE STREAM TO AVOID DELAYS.
When it is time for public comment on the item you wish to speak on, you’ll hear a prompt that will indicate your phone is unmuted. Please state your name and the agenda item number you will be commenting on. You will have 3 minutes to comment.

You may access the live stream of the meeting by using the following link:
https://humboldt.legistar.com

To access the county documents regarding the Nordic Aquafarms project including the Environmental Impact Report and public comments, click here.

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Josiah Gregg
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Josiah Gregg
1 year ago

Not sure about this. Love the job potential and clean-up of the site. However, water and power demand is crazy. Ruth Lake levels will be visibly reduced in the summer. Future droughts will only compound the situation. If Nordic Farms were a cannabis farm, there would be a forbearance requirement. See photo of Ruth during a recent drought. http://madriverunion.demo.our-hometown.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/ruthmarine-300×225.jpg

Also, if Nordic Farms were a cannabis farm, I believe the Planning Commission requires that 20% of the power demand be provided by solar or wind. Seems unfair to give special treatment to Nordic Farms.

Atlantic salmon on the Pacific Coast. Strange. I have not or never will eat farmed fish.

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suspence
1 year ago
Reply to  Josiah Gregg

the pulp mill was allotted 65 mil gal/day. Nordic is getting 3.3 mil gal/day. Seems like the capacity is there. Many ppl in the county don’t want any development at all, with the cannabis industry collapsing don’t we need something to sustain our economy.

North westCertain license plate out of thousands c
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North westCertain license plate out of thousands c
1 year ago
Reply to  suspence

It’s not about development, it’s about the future of our salmon.
We don’t want Frankenfish breeding with native fish or spreading disease to our native fish!

c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago

too late. Fukushima fish are already here

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suspence
1 year ago

I believe Atlantic Salmon were selected because wont cross breed or out compete Pacific Salmon IF a breech occurred.

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
1 year ago
Reply to  suspence

True plus they’ve done lots of breeding over many years to make sure it won’t compete well if it does escape to the wild.

pcwindhamD
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pcwindham
1 year ago
Reply to  suspence

Spot on

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
1 year ago
Reply to  suspence

Plus it should make the price of salmon more affordable which is nice.

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Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Josiah Gregg

I wonder if the fish here will also be treated with lufenuron…???

And here is a way that these fish can easily “escape”…

https://salmonbusiness.com/overturned-truck-carried-8000-smolts-from-aquachile-locals-told-not-to-eat-the-lufenuron-treated-fish/

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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Looks like we could be in store for our very own “wet market”, and another viral escape…

Not to mention bacterial, and or invasive species…

And a potential for poisoning…

Will they be treating the smolts with lufenuron prior to transport, also?

What could go wrong…???

Bon appetit…

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c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

good thing that doesn’t happen every day, week, month …. year ..

rational thinking
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rational thinking
1 year ago

Nordic does a good job trolling anyone that questions the project. The project is being pushed so the toxic site gets cleaned up. Zero tourists come to a fish farm. Say no to farmed fish, start using the mad river hatchery to build up our fish population, conserve water and energy. Protect our waters from a foreign entity – 150 jobs is not a lot of employment. i could go on forever….

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
1 year ago

If this projects results in nothing other than some bit of clean up on that site that will be a net win for the county. And I’ve never heard anyone promote this fish farm as a tourist draw (of course the abandoned pulp mill wasn’t a tourist draw, even when it was running).

This project is far from perfect but it seems like a net positive for our area. I’m more skeptical that their business model is actually financially viable in the medium term, but it’s not my business.

rational thinking
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rational thinking
1 year ago

The point is we have an incredible amount of tourist that come here for fishing, which trickles down immensely to our local economy, with many local biz benefiting from this. No one comes to look at a fish farm. It is insane that there was no exit strategy for the pulp mill cleanup. Big Biz comes in, profits while polluting our local waterfront, then go out of biz and leave a Superfund site. Fool me once, shame on you……

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
1 year ago

I still don’t see why the fish farm competes with sport fishing tourism? Or even the commercial fishing fleet out of the bay.

I have come to understand the opposition to the project better and have heard some very reasonable concerns.

c u 2morrowD
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1 year ago

lets build more fast food stops

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
1 year ago

The supes have been wined and dined on this sugar coated project so they will not listen as the obvious legal and environmental deficiencies in this overly large and energy consumptive foreign company project are pointed out. The result will be lawsuit.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

What are the supposed legal issues with this project?

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
1 year ago

They are specifically detailed in the appeal letter. You can read it.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

Are the legal issues that you’re referencing the short comings in the environmental review?

willow creeker
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

Jeffersonian is against any big project in the area, as I remember. Strange for a conservative but humboldt politics are always hard to gauge.
He doesn’t want any change or new jobs but still is always complaining and blames democrats.

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
1 year ago
Reply to  willow creeker

I’m against projects that pose risk to the bays ecosystem and our native salmonids and that kill birds. I place quality over quantity, and thoughtfulness over greed and money. This is a foreign limited liability co. pushing a low quality product that competes against our local commercial fishing industry and poses a significant danger of disease to native fish and nitrate pollution into the ecosystem as well as using over 20 per cent of our electrical grid. Its neither a democrat nor a republican issue. It’s an intelligent decision issue. I also believe in preserving the local character of the area. Do you have anything substantive to offer? I doubt it. You probably havent lived in Humboldt long enough to have a clear vision of anything. Big and more hasn’t boded well in the rest of the country, and it certainly doesnt fit in here.

willow creeker
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1 year ago
Reply to  Jeffersonian

I’ve lived here since I was a kid, and I’ve raised children to adulthood here. You were against the wind project, and anything else that helps the economy, seems like you like to sit on your hill and look down on everyone trying to make a living here.
What fishing industry do we have here? Very little. The fishing industry just takes from a limited resource and doesn’t give anything back.

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
1 year ago

Senior management, those positioned to profit most, recently quit knowing what they knew – this project won’t ever happen

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1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

“Nordic sued Graakjaer, the builder of its Fredrikstad industrial fish farm, for failing to adequately assess the construction site’s soil.”

“But Graakjaer countersued and won an award of more than $4 million; the case is now on appeal…”

“Nordic’s apparent incompetence has resulted in its buildings sinking into the ground and has apparently forced Nordic to abandon commercial production in favor of face-saving and investor-soothing “research and training.”

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Gosh, the Samoa peninsula isn’t the most stable ground…

I wonder if, “failing to adequately assess the construction site’s soil.”, has happened here, too…???

Ya think???

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suspence
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

ya speculate???

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
1 year ago
Reply to  suspence

I don’t think such a weak operator can get the project financed

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1 year ago
Reply to  suspence

Yep, I do.

The Samoa Peninsula isn’t exactly “bedrock”.

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

When exactly did the pulp mill sink into the ground?

A tsunami is what people should be worrying about..

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suspence
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Speculate: to indulge in conjectural thought.
Conjecture: the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.
Why would anyone spend millions on a large project without engineering the structure to last? Sure there are examples of mistakes being made but generally most buildings are well built to last.

LGR
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LGR
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Watered sand creates 98%+ compaction with ease . Onshore fish farming is very unlikely to contaminate the local salmon population. I think this is a great project personally.

Non-fiction
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Non-fiction
1 year ago
Reply to  LGR

Show us 1 fish farm that hasn’t had an unintenional release.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

their departure was odd but we don’t know why, so it’s speculation. the way things go around here no project will ever happen. we’ll just be full of college kids with Socal parents money and retires. I hope you like serving coffee and waiting tables cause thats all we’ll have.

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
1 year ago
Reply to  suspence

People don’t walk away from the verge of becoming millionaires. I agree though, students and seniors are our future. Seems a remote tech operation could attract talent with our environment but hasn’t happened yet

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1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

You don’t think they were already millionaires? It’s quite possible they saw the EXTREME NIMBYism here and said screw these folks if they don’t want us here we’ll go elsewhere. Put that on repeat for every f-ing project and yeah, students and senior, weeee.

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1 year ago

“Those opposing the project are concerned with the large energy consumption needed–the need is equivalent to the energy demands of the cities of Eureka and Fortuna combined”

Has this been mentioned before?

That should disqualify it in and of itself!!!

WTF?

There is new information that there is no electrical supply surplus in Humboldt.

We are already being asked to curtail electrical usage during periods of high demand, and the conversion from fossil fuels to all electric hasn’t even realistically begun.

The planning department and the supervisors have already sold us to all out on our present and future energy resources for just this one project?

Not cool.

Sounds pretty damn fishy to me.

It sailed through planning…

I see it sinking already.

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Energy consumption shouldn’t be a problem. Givernor*Newsome just mandated California be all electric by 2035. This project is just complying with Governor Hair Gel’s mandates on a grand scale. Electric everything! Who cares if the infrastructure is there or not?

🤔that’s kinda how North Korea operates.
Soon a night map will show North Korea and California as the darkest places on earth.

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
Reply to  Resist

Correction: Cuba, Florida, N.Korea and California will be dark on a night map.

Difference is N. Korea and California’s darkness are both caused by Marxist despots.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

https://www.penbaypilot.com/article/if-thats-tremendous-progress-ill-take-abject-ruin-any-day/138795

“Meanwhile, back in its hometown of Fredrikstad, Norway, Nordic sued Graakjaer, the builder of its Fredrikstad industrial fish farm, for failing to adequately assess the construction site’s soil. But Graakjaer countersued and won an award of more than $4 million; the case is now on appeal. Nordic’s apparent incompetence has resulted in its buildings sinking into the ground and has apparently forced Nordic to abandon commercial production in favor of face-saving and investor-soothing “research and training.” ”

“Also in Fredrikstad, Nordic ineptly placed big fans facing a residential neighborhood, instead of facing the inside of its industrial park, causing plant neighbors to band together to fight Nordic over steady violation of local noise ordinances.”

“Meanwhile Nordic’s motion to dismiss a lawsuit over ownership of intertidal lands it needs in Belfast failed. And even if Nordic get its Belfast permits, at least some of them will be appealed, thus prolonging Nordic’s slow financial bleed-out. Nordic lawyers filed a thousand pages with the BEP, at hundreds of dollars an hour – do the math.”

“At a February 11, 2020 BEP hearing, Nordic said it had only $8 million on hand – that’s less than two percent of the $500 million Nordic needs to build in Belfast and California.”

“And finally, from mid-June to mid-July European prices for farm salmon plunged 43 percent. Even if prices recover, such volatility would give pause to any sane would-be investor.”

“If all that is tremendous progress, I’ll take abject ruin any day.”

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suspence
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

you’re missing some important nuance. Arcata Eureka transmission line comes in from Redding and has capacity. take some deep breaths and pay attention to the details.

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  suspence

What and actually look into things..
Never 😂

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1 year ago
Reply to  suspence

“Arcata Eureka transmission line comes in from Redding and has capacity.”

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Oh really???

How much?

Does it have enough extra capacity to duplicate “the combined energy needs of Fortuna and Eureka???

I doubt it…

Link please…

Maybe it’s you that needs to…

“take some deep breaths and pay attention to the details.” ???

grey fox
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1 year ago
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This is the transmission plan. Looks OK to me..

Note 95 and 99

http://www.caiso.com/Documents/RevisedDraft-2018-2019_Transmission_Plan.pdf

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suspence
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suspence
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

I can detect your shrillness and anxiety from here.

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago

300K to 3M gallons daily to this project. I can hear the libs now… “but we’re in a drought!” Yes we are and I assure you that we will emerge from it, but Southern California is going to get their hands on the “excess” water that Northern California has. Mark my words.

Xebeche
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Xebeche
1 year ago
Reply to  Resist

“We” will most certainly not emerge from the current drought. We, and our children & grandchildren will not see the end of it. It will be centuries before the drought ends even if we stop spewing carbon (which we won’t)

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
Reply to  Xebeche

🤣

Read different scientists’ assessments.

You ever cut an old growth redwood? I have. You can tell by the rings when we have had drought and decades of rain over 1500 years or more. Ebbs and flows in weather are very apparent over that time period.

Hint: Al Gore, Greta Autistica or whatever her frigging name is, and the Democrat party are lying to you about global warming or global cooling. Lying so much they had to call it “climate change” to encompass any deviation from their narrative.

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
1 year ago
Reply to  Resist

Cool name!

Guest
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1 year ago
Reply to  Resist

Try 300,000 gallons of potable water per day,

AND,

3,000,000 gallons per day of untreated water…

That’s 3.3 million gallons of water per day.

Make them store every drop of water needed for their entire operation from the off season, and make them forebear for the rest of the year, just like they do for the cannabis farmers…

Why should Nordic Aquafarms get special treatment?

Something fishy is going on…

suspence
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suspence
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

65 mil gal/day was allotted to the pulp mill. it’s not fishy, the allotment for that site exists.

Guest
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1 year ago
Reply to  suspence

The allotment of for that site EXIST[ED].

That “allotment” no longer exists.

It’s not a pulp mill anymore.

Those days are over.

I don’t think that site is Grandfathered in, to any prescriptive water rights, anymore…

Even still, 65 million gallons of water per day could be put to a much better, much more beneficial use.

And that does not include the 10 million or so, gallons per day of bay water, or so, that will be very destructive to bay life, in the way it’s drawn, filtered and the “air blast” clearing of the filters…

That will create a vicious cycle of aquatic life destruction.

The filters will clog with bay life, etc.

This bay life will die.

The “air blasts” will clear the filters…

This will attract more bay life…

That will then get sucked into the filters…

I’m sure that the ensuing additional feed source for the fish farm has been “carefully” factored in…

This is what needs to be monitored.

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

You act like all this is something you just discovered. They went thru an environmental review process.
If you have concerns, bring them up with the board of supervisors at their next meeting.
Complaining on here will get you………nowhere.
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grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

Did you even read the article?

“Humboldt Bay Municipal Water District has signed off on the project stating that they have sufficient capacity to provide the maximum 300K gallons of potable water needed daily in addition to the maximum 3 million gallons of untreated water daily“

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

When we consider the sabotage of Nordstream pipelines the question is “who benefits most from interrupting Russia’s natural gas revenue?”

Guest
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Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

Joe Biden did that.

The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  suspence

There are no libs in Shasta County.

Their lake is dry.

Boating and recreation is over.

You can not hear them now.

Guest
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Guest
1 year ago

Lots of good information and relevant links from this excellent previous RHBB article on the subject…

https://kymkemp.com/2022/07/02/nordic-aquafarms-final-environmental-impact-report-available-for-public-review/

Guest
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Guest
1 year ago

More information here about power limitations…

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2022/sep/19/pges-electricity-transmission-limits-threaten-thro/

Not sure if there is a corresponding RHBB article, but there usually is…

I just haven’t found it yet…

There is usually some additional information in the comments, for what it’s worth…

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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Oh I am sorry, I didn’t realize the Samoa Peninsula was in Southern Humboldt..🙄

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1 year ago

The Dow slides another 125 points…

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/biden-thinks-stock-market-doesnt-matter-heres-what-he-doesnt-get

‘Biden thinks stock market doesn’t matter: Here’s what he doesn’t get’

“President Joe Biden needs to understand that wealth in the US dropped a record $6.1 trillion in the second quarter”

The cheery president is oblivious, even though U.S. investors have lost $7.6 trillion since he took office and we are now officially in a bear market.

Politico reports that Biden wants to hit the road, eager to tout his economic achievements and confident that the “nation’s outlook is brightening.”

“This, as economists from Bank of America, among many others, are predicting a recession in 2023 and rising unemployment thanks to the Federal Reserve’s efforts to combat inflation. And, as prominent companies like FedEx and GE confirm such gloomy forecasts by warning more trouble lies ahead.”

“But then this is the same clueless president who hosted an “Inflation Reduction Party” featuring James Taylor crooning about drug addiction (???) the same day a bad inflation read caused the Dow to plunge 1,200 points – one of the worst drops this year.”

“Asked recently about the slide in share prices, Biden said, “The stock market doesn’t necessarily reflect the state of the economy, as you well know. And the economy is still strong.” Actually, the economy shrank during the past two quarters, the housing market is in freefall and an inverted yield curve is flashing red.”

“So when Candidate Biden promised in 2020 to “end to the era of shareholder capitalism,” he effectively promised to undermine the very foundations of our economy.”

“Donald Trump predicted that if Joe Biden were elected, “the stock market will crash.” Was he wrong, or just early?”

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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LOL the mkt has been in bear territory since June. The Dow just now fell into bear territory.

And if your paying attention oil prices are still falling..which is a good thing.

Biden is right the stock market is not the economy..

The average American is worried about food and fuel prices not the stock market.
Please tell us how the stock market is effecting you personally. And don’t go digging into the internet. Give us your story.

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Paul
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Paul
1 year ago

Well, I know one thing for sure. I won’t be eating it. Here’s one reason;

https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/farmed-salmon-toxic-flame-retardants

Here’s another;

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/farmed-salmon-toxic-diabetes-obesity/

And my all time favorite; this stuff was made by Monsanto (remember them?).

https://naturalpedia.com/ethoxyquin-toxicity-side-effects-diseases-and-environmental-impacts.html

Keep in mind this stuff is 20 time higher in farmed salmon than it is is fruit.

Just saying.

willow creeker
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1 year ago

Wow, so many negative comments. Should we just do nothing in this county? Seems like many people aren’t aware of the need to use the water from Mad River, in order to not lose water rights. Does anyone remember the water bag barge? The plan to move water from Mad River to So. CA in large bags?
Anyway, we need to utilize this resource of water, or we lose it. That’s how CA water rights work.
This project seems like a good fit here, to me. We need more investment in this area. More things to do= less bored people doing drugs = better quality of life for everyone.

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1 year ago
Reply to  willow creeker

How about distributing it to all of Humboldt?

Or at least as much as possible.

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

willow creeker
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

You mean distributing mad river water to all of humboldt? Makes no sense if you have any concept of the geography of this county. No brainer is right.

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  willow creeker

The one thing that worries me is the discharge of waste water. It is supposed to be treated to remove nitrogen and solids (fish poop) and treated with UV radition to kill bacteria and viruses. Of which there is one really nasty one in farm raised salmon that has spread to wild fish in Norway. Not the land raised ones but the penned ones.

Our area is vulnerable to both earthquake and tsunami. How redundant is the power to pump the water in and out of the bay and treat it before discharge in the case of an eathquake? If there is a tsunami, fish virus is going to be low on the list of pollutants but uv treatment needs constant power and an earthquake could see a massive release of untreated waste water. Somehow I don’t think either the company’s Norwegian nor the American execs from Maine are really experienced about it. And it’s usually a surprise to those who haven’t gone through a big one. Hopefully that has been addressed.

Antibiotic residue is also an issue with fish farming but hopefully the company has that resolved as it’s an issue everywhere. Anyway asking questions is not anti- businss despite the knee jerk accusations from the usual sources.

willow creeker
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1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

I’m totally in favor of asking the right questions. It seems like your scenarios are a little hard to follow; yes all industrial operations are somewhat dirty. There’s no perfect food source, right? Fishing for wild fish; lots of bycatch; totally unsustainable for our size population. Farming pigs, chickens, cows (ray Christie Anyone?) there is no perfect food source.
Let’s not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Seems like these guys have a good business plan and I would like to see something other than industrial wasteland on the peninsula.

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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  willow creeker

Well that is a diversion. The same sort that is always used when subject to scrutiny by police- “why are they picking on pot growers when murders are running around free” non sequitur. Look up “straw man”, “inflation of conflict” or ” tu quoque” logic fallacy. Because you did manage to roll all those into your response. Your being confused is not a counter argument.

Perfection is not a requirement but cerainly should be a goal. Reading about the requirements others locations permitting for this company, one was that manholes be in place on discharge effluent pipes so that the effectiveness of the process can be done by government inspectors to check if the discharge is actually effectively sterilized. That should be a routine inspection. While salmon may not get a cow disease fromag runoff a few miles away, a fact which is unrelated to the proposed fish farm, wild salmon will certainly get a salmon disease from a fish farm run directly into the ocean from a hundred feet away.

When the power goes out, it is likely that gravity will still take run off from the farm tanks out to sea. What is wrong in asking them what checks they have in that before it happens?

Slavery 2.0
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Slavery 2.0
1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

How much water?

Hows indoor weed growing any different than indoor fish growing

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  Slavery 2.0

Yes it is. Hundreds taking water out of a small water course miles upland is different than one entity taking water from a river a couple of miles from the coast. If nothing else, depriving wild life over hundreds of square miles of watershed where water is scarce means wildlife there dies. Especially when so many are taking without regulation or compensation for the diversions.

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
1 year ago
Reply to  willow creeker

What’s SoCal willing to pay for bags of water, a hundred million?

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
Reply to  Giant Squirrel

Nope. The local utilities keep raising our rates to subsidize So. Cal rate payers.

justanotherperson
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justanotherperson
1 year ago
Reply to  willow creeker

more things to do? god almighty, that’s the weakest fucking argument about being “bored” in humboldt county. lack of opportunity+mental health disparities+the highest ACES scores/intergenerational trauma= people doing drugs. Development is a ponzi scheme benefitting the builders and movers and shakers, not me, not you, and not the community I work in, broheim.

ataloss
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ataloss
1 year ago

This county needs jobs that offer people hope and making a living. Those opposing based on energy how many of you own electric vehicles – where do you charge for those come from and water use seems a pittance. You don’t like the fish then don’t eat but I am sure some people will. It’s not all about you and what you want.

justanotherperson
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justanotherperson
1 year ago
Reply to  ataloss

there’s a couple hundred jobs in this facility, tops. there’s people moving here from ALL OVER california to escape the climate disaster. this isn’t doing all that much, if anything positive, for the communities that are already here.

Resist
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Resist
1 year ago
Reply to  ataloss

Absolutely, Humboldt County needs jobs! And they need people to FILL those jobs! Sun Valley has to be looking for workers now that they can grow dope legally and on a grand scale. They’ll need trimmers too. I understand they’re having a helluva time finding new workers because the righteous border governors are sending potential laborers to sanctuary cities and locations and the people being sent there love it because they get more free shit than any American citizen gets. So they’re all “Pinche Gringos! Pick your own vegetables!” Lord, have mercy there’s gotta be a ton of new jobs at the industrial scale dope grows and at aqua culture projects like this! And good old Steve Steinbeck has a plan for affordable housing by infilling his Westwood Gate Apartment Complex in Arcata. Ready to house recent graduates from Cal Poly close to their new jobs as day laborers in the fields and greenhouses of Sun Valley!

Gotta love entrepreneurial people like Strombeck, the owners of Sun Valley and Nordic Farms. Build something on a grand scale during yet another Liberal economic shitstorm and come out smelling like roses (or lox???), as things recover.

Guest
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Guest
1 year ago

Here is another good article…

From the Anderson Valley Advocate…

https://theava.com/archives/194154

‘Humboldt County Rolls the Dice with Brand-new Nordic Chief’

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willow creeker
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

That’s yellow journalism at its best. If you think that’s a good piece of journalism then you need to read more. And I repeat the AVA.

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  willow creeker

He thinks Laura Ingrahm of Fox News is a good news source..

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Guest
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Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  willow creeker

Define “yellow journalism”…

Old news?

And I mis-wrote the papers name…

It’s the Anderson Valley Advertiser, apparently…

I always thought it was Anderson Valley Advisor…

But I still got it wrong…

Here is a favorite quote of Bruce Anderson, the publisher, according to Wikipedia…

“Newspapers should have no friends.”

-Joseph Pulitzer-

He seems to be on the right track…

I definitely would agree that Humboldt County is Rolling the Dice with Nordic’s Chief, or their Anybody Else, for that matter.

It seems to be pretty accurate to me…

It wouldn’t be the first time Humboldt County Planning and/or “Gang of Five” did something ill-advised and/or corrupt.

I’m sure it won’t be the last…

(Think “Schneider Project”.)

How did the Nordic project sail through the coastal commission?

Wilson?

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

LOL:
Got it wrong twice..
From the Anderson Valley Advocate…
It’s the Anderson Valley Advertiser, apparently…
I always thought it was Anderson Valley Advisor…”

Giant Squirrel
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Giant Squirrel
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Looks like your nuisance gnat is at it again today. Enjoy!

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
1 year ago

Listening to Supervisor Bushnell at the hearing and amazed at her ignorance.

Lynn H
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Lynn H
1 year ago

I’m not against it, but wouldn’t it be better if a company could breed from native local salmon genetics and release a portion of them each year?