An Infant Dead, A Toddler Abandoned—Mendocino County Is Left Demanding to Know How This Could Happen

One of the memorials for the one-year-old child that died after being left along the train tracks in the background of this photographs [Picture by Matt LaFever]

If you drive east on Low Gap Road from Ukiah High School, you will pass the Mendocino County jail. Directly across the street from the jail is the Russian River Cemetery. Continue eastwards, past the intersection with North State Street, Low Gap suddenly becomes Brush Street. 

Over the last three years, Brush Street has seen some of Ukiah’s most significant development with the construction of three large, low-income apartment complexes financed by plush tax incentives.

Ukiah’s Brush Street intersects with the rusty remnants of the Northwest Pacific Railroad. On the north side of Brush Street, the corrugated metal warehouse of B&B Industrial abuts the train tracks. Between the metal supplier and the railroad lies gargantuan metal beams rusting in the elements, scrap metal left to crack and dimple, and the random refuse of a homeless encampment deconstructed last June to the tune of a quarter-million dollars. 

In an attempt to keep out the homeless, the City of Ukiah installed a chain link fence around the area once brimming with Ukiah’s destitute. 

Now resting against the fence are two makeshift memorials, a wooden cross and an altar of plastic flowers, dedicated to a one-year-old boy who would die amidst the scrap after his caretaker allegedly abandoned him there on Wednesday, August 3, 2022. 

Edward “Two Feathers” Steele is accused of callously casting aside the infant and his brother leaving them in the 100-degree heat. A passerby would report finding an unresponsive toddler on the tracks. Soon after, law enforcement began their search of the area and found the one-year-old deceased.

As this reporter stood at those memorials yesterday, one woman approached and said, “I cannot even believe what happened to those kids. Why couldn’t the cops help them? What about Child Protective Services” Another walked by and said, “This is the end of days. This says something about our community.”

Mendocino County has been left reeling in the wake of a heinous display of cruelty. How could someone charged with caring for something so vulnerable discard them and leave them to die? How could the institutions dedicated to protecting children have let these children fall through the cracks?


Here’s what we know.

In the early morning of Tuesday, August 2, 2022, Mendocino County Sheriff’s Office deputies responded to the 1700 block of Ukiah’s North State Street after reports of a possible domestic violence incident between Sally Arellano, and her boyfriend of several months  Edward “Two Feathers” Steele.

Upon arrival, the deputies located the pair in the parking lot of a closed business and they would develop information that led to the arrest of Sally Arellano for domestic violence battery.

Sally Arellano [Mugshot from the Mendocino County Sheriff’s Office Booking Logs]

At the time of her arrest, Arellano told deputies her two children were a half-mile away at a motel in the care of a babysitter. They were not present during the alleged domestic violence nor during the time of her arrest.

Deputies transported Arellano to the Mendocino County Jail on Low Gap Road where she made a telephone call prior to being booked.

At some point, after Arellano was booked into jail, Edward “Two Feathers” Steele traveled to the babysitter and assumed care for the boys.

One day later, Wednesday, August 3 at 5:00 a.m. Arellano would be released.

Just ten minutes before Arrellano was released from the Mendocino County jail, a concerned citizen reported seeing a male at 4:50 a.m. walking with two children near the intersection of North State Street and Ford Road. Law enforcement would respond to the area but would find no sign of the trio. Law enforcement now believes this was Steele and Sally Arellano’s one and two-year-old.

After the sun rose, the temperatures soared to 100°F. Thunderheads grew ominous in the northeast. Around 1:22 p.m., Arrellano would contact law enforcement and report her two children missing along with Edward “Two Feathers” Steele. 

Two-and-a-half hours later, at 3:55 p.m. a concerned citizen would find a child unresponsive lying near the intersection of Brush Street and the Northwest Pacific railroad tracks

Scanner traffic gives us the closest we can get to a moment-by-moment account of that afternoon. Medical personnel was the first on the scene soon after the concerned citizen’s call and they requested law enforcement: “Can we get MCSO down here?” one said over the radio. “We have a minor without parents or supervision on this call.” In the following minutes, Ukiah Police Department and sheriff’s deputies would converge on the location

At 4:09 p.m., law enforcement at the scene would request Child Protective Services respond to the scene.

At 4:15 p.m., it is clear first responders are combing the scene for any sign of a guardian or how the child came to be near the train tracks. One asks another, “Can you check along the west side of the tracks for us?”

At 4:18 p.m., the dispatcher told a Ukiah Police Department officer, “I’ve tried multiple times but I cannot get ahold of anybody at CPS. Do we want to have somebody go over to their office?” The officer responded, “Negative, we can hold off for now, we are working with the Sheriff’s Office right now about where this child possibly belongs.”

At 4:20 p.m., an officer got on the radio. His tone carried tension. He was a quarter-mile north of where the two-year-old was located near Eagle Distribution, a beverage distributor that abuts the railroad tracks. He requested medical Code 3 (meaning lights and sirens) and told fellow officers to come to him immediately behind his car. Moments later dispatch would ask him the nature of the incident, he responded, “We have a possible medical with an infant.”

Within a minute and a half, a first responder would report that the infant was a “confirmed 1144”—code for deceased.

The following morning, law enforcement would identify Sally Arellano’s boyfriend Edward “Two Feathers” Steele as a person of interest in abandoning the children. By that afternoon, he was taken into custody at the Hopland Rancheria after tribal members reported to law enforcement he was there.


Edward “Two Feathers” Steele [Mugshot provided by Mendocino County Sheriff’s Office Booking Logs]

Edward “Two Feathers” Steele is no Boy Scout. We obtained his rap sheet. Some highlights:

  • 12/11/2013- Arrested by Ukiah CHP for Possession of Controlled Substance, Being Under the Influence of a Controlled Substance, Receiving Stolen Property-Motor Vehicle, Taking Vehicle Without Owner’s Consent, DUI Alcohol/Drugs, Possession of Hypodermic Needle/Syringe
  • 10/20/2015- Arrested by Mendocino County Sheriff’s Office for Possession of Controlled Substance, Paraphernalia, and Revocation of Probation
  • 11/10/2015- Arrested by Mendocino County Sheriff’s Office for Revocation of Probation, Vehicle Theft, Drive While License Suspended, Evasion – Wanton Disregard for Safety
  • 10/3/2017- Arrested by Mendocino County Sheriff’s Office for Violation of Probation and Convicted Felon Purchase or Possess Stun Gun
  • 1/26/2018- Arrested by Mendocino County Sheriff’s Office for Resist/Obstruct/Delay Peace Officer and Possession of Drug Paraphernalia
  • 9/19/2018- Arrested by Mendocino County Sheriff’s Office for Violation of Probation

On April 8, 2021, Steele was arrested by the Mendocino County Sheriff’s Office who responded to reports of illegal campers throwing trash into a Ukiah creek. Upon arrival, Steel was walking away from that creek. He was wanted at that time on a felony arrest warrant for Post-release Community Supervision violations, so he was booked into the Mendocino County jail. 

Now, he is once again behind bars at the Mendocino County jail facing the most severe charge of his life: murder for his alleged role in the death of a one-year-old boy.


A memorial of plastic flowers marks the area the boys were found on the afternoon of August 3 [Picture by Matt LaFever]

Sally Arellano, the mother of the two boys, told us on Monday, August 1, 2022, her long-time boyfriend Steele got out of jail and they met up that day. Her boys were quarantined at North State Street’s Motel 6 after coming down with COVID-19. 

Steele showed up at the hotel and Arellano said “we had a long, good talk about our relationship.” He left on a walk and Arellano said “I chased him down after I got a babysitter for my babies that were sleeping in my room.” 

When she caught up with Steele, she said, “We ended up having domestics. I went to jail for [domestic violence].” Steele communicated to Arellano that he would go back and care for “our babies,” which according to  Arellano demonstrated his commitment “because we were in a relationship and we were a family.” 

The deputy reportedly gave Steele her purse because “he was going back to the room to care for the babies while I was in jail and hopefully bailed out.” She would have to wait till Wednesday morning to get bailed out.

Looking back on letting Steele care for her babies, Arellano told us, “I had no other choice.” She continued saying, “I was actually glad he decided to go care for them. I believed he cared. I never for a second wanted to believe he would ever hurt one of my babies.”

She told us, “I am so stupid for wanting to believe my babies would ever be safe with anyone other than me.


We reached out to Mendocino County Sheriff’s Office Captain Greg Van Patten hoping to understand the evidence that investigators were able to gather that left them confident enough to book Edward “Two Feathers” Steele for murder. Due to the ongoing nature of the investigation, Captain Van Patten said he could not address the details.

Captain Van Patten directed us to Policy 330 of the Mendocino County Sheriff’s Office Policy Manual and the totality of the section refers to the practices and strategies expected of deputies when responding to suspected child abuse. There is no policy directing MCSO staff to assess the safety of children when they take a parent into custody unless there is suspected abuse.

Captain Van Patten said that when deputies arrested Arellano, she told the officers the children were in the care of a babysitter. They were not present for the domestic violence and they were not with her during the time of the arrest. If deputies had taken Arellano into custody with the children present, Captain Van Patten said his deputies would have worked in collaboration with Child Protective Services if they suspected child abuse or neglect in that situation.


Kelsey Rivera, the Assistant Director of Mendocino County’s Social Services, provided an overview of what Family and Child Services do when a parent is taken into custody and children are left in the care of another. 

Family and Child Services respond to situations where children are present. If indeed a child is present, “they work in collaboration with Family and Child Services if there is suspected child abuse and/or neglect. “

If children are present during a parent’s commission of a crime and abuse/neglect is suspected, Rivera told us FCS personnel will “coordinate with law enforcement to conduct joint investigations for incidents involving potential crimes and/or share information across agencies regarding the incidents.”

When asked about FCS’s response on Wednesday, August 3, 2022, Rivera said she was, “unable to comment more specifically regarding the events surrounding August 3, 2022, because we are required to follow strict confidentiality requirements pertaining to child welfare referrals and investigations.” She pointed toward Welfare and institutions Code 10850.4 and 10850.45 which dictate her agency’s ability to release information depending on the nature of the incidents. 

This document lines out the implications of those codes and suggests the possibility FCS will release information about their role on August 3 next week.


The two makeshift memorials on Brush Street near the train tracks. [Picture by Matt LaFever]

Where the Northwest Pacific Railroad intersects with Brush Street, two makeshift memorials mark the area where the two-year-old was found suffering from the heat. The one-year-old’s body was found a quarter mile away. 

A contingent of Ukiah’s first responders are left with the memory of finding the boys. The two-year-old is no longer in the custody of his mother. Sally must contend with the loss of her baby boy and her choice to leave her babies in the hands of Edward “Two Feathers” Steele. Edward sits behind bars facing charges of murder. Our community is left demanding justice for an alleged crime so atrocious a courtroom seems a pittance for the pain and hurt left in its wake. From what we know so far, the agencies designed to protect us followed protocol. All we are left with is a feeling that somehow those protocols are just not enough. Somebody should have been there to catch these children before they had fallen through the cracks.

Remember, these charges against Edward “Two Feathers” Steele have not been proven in a court of law. In accordance with the legal principle of the presumption of innocence, any individual described should be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

For anyone wishing to make a suspected child abuse or neglect report, please contact the Mendocino County Child Abuse Hotline 24 hours a day, 7 days a week at 1-866-236-0368.


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Zipline
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Zipline
1 year ago

As this “civilization” we’re in grinds toward its soon to be very ugly end, anyone bringing a child into this world could be considered quilty of child abuse.

humboldturtle
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humboldturtle
1 year ago

Rest in peace, child.

Sunny Seas
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Sunny Seas
1 year ago

“Mendocino County is left demanding to know how this could happen”. They need all of their agencies just to take care of this Cinderella and Prince Charming. Their mug shots and arrests records says it all. No one is at fault but these two.

Shortjohnson
Guest
Shortjohnson
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunny Seas

The dude is at fault. There will always be a few cracks to falll through and these two young boys were just the right size to slide on through Sounds like negligent homicide and a bad drug habit to blame.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Shortjohnson

Nope, this one’s on the cops…

They dropped the ball.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunny Seas

The cops found this child dead, and the 2 year old abandoned and neglected, after arresting their mother, and putting her in jail.

The cops possibly didn’t confirm the welfare of the children, or the mother’s story about the children being with another adult, or if the “babysitter” was even “legit”.

They needed a scapegoat after finding the child dead, to cover their own ass, so they pinned their mistake on Two Feathers.

It doesn’t sound like Two Feathers was the biological father, and it sounds like the mother was using the children to leverage Two Feathers into staying in the picture.

This is a horrible tragedy.

May the child Rest In Peace. And the other fully recover.

The authorities need to accept their responsibility and take immediate corrective action.

This has much less to do with the crimes of the parents, and everything to do with the welfare of the children.

And, I feel I must also add, that this has absolutely nothing to do with weather Two Feathers is a “Boy Scout” or not.

Is La Fever a “Boy Scout”?

I found that descriptor unnecessary and judgemental.

Two Feathers should not have been given the responsibility of taking care of the children, not by the mother, and not by the officer, regardless of whether he accepted that responsibility, or not.

The officer probably just didn’t want anything to do with the COVID-19 the children had, and didn’t want to deal with the children at all.

How did that work out?

Was the officer that arrested the mother a fucking, “Boy Scout”, that handed Two Feathers the moms purse, effectively granting him the custody and responsibility of a 1 year old and a 2 year old, just so that officer wouldn’t have to deal with confirming the children’s wellbeing, or dealing with them at all???

Answer that one, La Fever.

The cops are like, “oops”, “maybe we shouldn’t have done that, so let’s find Two Feathers, and charge him for murder, in order to keep our own consciences clear, in the death of an infant, and the neglect of a 2 year old, that was a direct result of our poor decisions, and lack of protective oversight”.

It was the officers job to assure the children’s welfare, it was out of the mother’s hands, as soon as she was arrested.

The officers dropped the ball.

Then they found someone else to punish for that, when that oversight resulted in the death of an infant. Plausible deniability, at your service, badge and all.

Non-Native
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Non-Native
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

No, he is resoundingly at fault. He picked up those children, and in doing so he and he alone assumed responsibility for them. He’s a worthless human being, and the evidence is what he did to or allowed to happen to those children. The mother is also at fault for being what appears to be a garbage human being. Don’t make excuses for him, just as there are no excuses for her. This human trash was more important to her than her children were, when he got out of jail she elected to abandon her children with god knows who, and run off after him. Every single adult in those children’s lives failed them. It’s disgusting.

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Non-Native

Nope, don’t make excuses for law enforcement, and CPS, that are hired and paid to deal with just this sort of thing.

Just because he thought he could handle the responsibility of looking after an infant and toddler, doesn’t mean that anyone else should have agreed with him.

After the woman was arrested, it was no longer her choice to make.

It was law enforcements choice.

They are the ones that made the inexcusable mistake of giving a convicted felon, the mother’s purse, effectively granting him custody access and responsibility, for an infant, and a two year old.

A two year old should have known better than to do that, yet the cops did it.

Stop making excuses for them.

That’s all you are doing .

The two year old is no longer in the mother’s custody.

They took custody of that child now, because they know they should have taken custody of that child, and the infant, before now.

The cops will never admit they fucked up, but they definitely did, and the higher ups, know it.

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After Three Days
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After Three Days
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

These comments prove that the old saw that “hindsight is 20/20” is wrong.

Non-Native
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Non-Native
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Not making excuses for cops, but also not making excuses for garbage. And I do feel that policies need to change so this is never repeated, but I also think that as a society we continue to give a free pass to every crappy person and put the onus on a government agency. People need to stop excusing bad behavior in general, and maybe the prevalent , lackadaisical attitude towards drugs needs to be re-examined. Drug abuse is not a victimless crime, as this story clearly illustrates.

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Non-Native

The arresting officer is resoundingly at fault. He, or she, didn’t pick up those children, and in not doing so he and he alone, or she and she alone, shirked responsibility for them. Does that make him or her a worthless human being?

The evidence is what he or she didn’t do, which was to check on the children, and take them into custody also, instead of deciding arbitrarily, to grant guardianship to a convicted felon, that ultimately allowed what happened, to happen to those children.

And yes, you are excusing law enforcement’s culpability, if you don’t even mention it.

You have excused them completely.

Once law enforcement took custody of the mother, law enforcement became rose children’s legal guardian, if they had no other legal guardian, or one had not yet been identified.

Now, ask yourself, if a legal guardian, in their right mind, would have reasonably placed an infant and a two year old, into the care of a convicted felon.

I imagine that the room key to the motel, where the infant and toddler were, was in the purse that the officer foolishly gave to Two Feathers.

He may have had reason to accept it, not because of what was in the motel, but simply because of what was in the purse.

He had a history of drug use, and possibly addiction, despite the fact that he had had no arrests, according to this report, since 2018.

Annabel
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Annabel
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Were you there?.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Annabel

Have you ever tried to call CPS?

Have you ever tried to call them in an emergency, when gunplay was involved, attempted murder, and got put on numerous holds?

This should come as no surprise.

Sunny Seas
Guest
Sunny Seas
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Did Little Miss Muffet use her “one” call from jail to contact CPS to tuck her kids in for the night? She had one call, she should have called them. Pretty simple.

Non-Native
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Non-Native
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunny Seas

Straight up.

A Realist
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A Realist
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Should the cops have checked on her mom? dad? nieces and nephews? Are you 2f’s mom? try to deflect blame anywhere but where it belongs!
The children were not there during the DV or arrest, the egg donor said they were a half mile away with a babysitter. Are you implying that it was the cops responsiblity to vet the caretaker? Then the cops should have sterilized these two before they multiplied!
Your argument makes no sense.
Cops aren’t paid enough nor have the authority to ? what look into every deal the bitch made for the day/week or month prior to her arrest?
Those kids were probably better off with anybody else besides her! She started this shit show by being abusive and violent, she could have beat that poor little guy and set 2fux up to take that fall.
But you’re going to blame the good people, take the blinders off, this was their fault ~ the egg donor and 2f’s!
Now CPS is involved and I hope that one never has to go back to that kind of life EVER!

Sunny Seas
Guest
Sunny Seas
1 year ago
Reply to  A Realist

Hear, hear. Straight forward.

eyeheartD
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

I’m a convicted felon (multiple, actually, over several decades) and I had a time in my life where I had to assume full custody of my children when my partner was in jail. I managed to keep them alive, clothed, and healthy. So it is possible. I’m also a former Boy Scout! Stick that in your bong and smoke it!

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  eyeheart

What do you think that I am talking about?

Do we know for sure if Edward Steele was, in fact, a Boy Scout, or not?

LaFever seems to be representing that he was not.

I would have to say that would be a more difficult assertion to make factually, than to have determined that Edward Steele was actually, in fact, a “Boy Scout”.

Does LaFever have access to the BSA archived rolls?

Or is it just BS?

I suspect the latter, but he hasn’t confirmed it yet, just hinted around.

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt LaFever

Seems he has a problem with you for some reason.. Editorial ambitions?

Well written article by the way..I follow MendoFever
also

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt LaFever

Defend your judgement if you so choose.

But tell me…

Where does “judging someone” fall under the necessary qualifications of being a “Reporter”, or, for that matter, under the qualifications of being a “Boy Scout”?

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Don’t you see the irony of you judging LaFever?
@🙄 🤐

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt LaFever

So, you “In fact” can say that you were a “Boy Scout”, for whatever that’s worth, or however it is relevant.

But, how is it, Matt Le Fever, that you can say, in your article, as if it was actually a fact, that Two Feathers is not, or was not, a “Boy Scout”?

Credibility is at stake.

Please reveal your trustworthy source of information for this allegation, or at least clarify if your assertion is intended to be factual or not, and whether or not it was just intended as a “slight” of your very own choosing.

And if it was just a “slight” of your choosing, maybe you could explain why you felt it was necessary, or newsworthy, in any way?

Thank you for your consideration.

Kym Kemp
Admin
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Calling someone a “boy scout” is term of speech (an idiom) for “A man whose attitudes and behavior are morally upright and often naive.” https://www.yourdictionary.com/boy-scout

The reverse, “not a boy scout,” is also used to mean “not someone who follows the rules and tries to do good.” Here it is used in this context in a headline. https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/americas/donald-trump-not-boy-scout/

Here’s another similar use: https://sjnnchicago.medill.northwestern.edu/blog/2018/10/08/monster-not-boy-scout-defense-attorneys-characterized-laquan-mcdonald-jason-van-dyke-murder-trial/

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Oh, I get it, like Doc Holliday saying…

“Your no daisy, no daisy at all”,

It sure wasn’t a compliment.

That makes it a slight. An insult.

So, how was it Matt LaFever’s statement intended?

As factual?

As in maybe he (f)actually was not a “Boy Scout.

Or was it an insult?

As if he did not live up to, and fell short, of some arbitrarily set standards…

You may condone it, that’s entirely your business, but for Matt LaFever to clarify it as being factual, (as a matter of fact) or as being derogatory, (an insult), or as a judgement, is all I ask.

It certainly wasn’t meant as a compliment, I think we can all agree on that.

If it was intended in a derogatory way, then I was also hoping he might explain why he felt that was necessary, or newsworthy.

If it was a judgement, it may have been a little hasty, as there has been no adjudication yet, in this case.

Thank you for your consideration.

(It must be nice, to have a defender, such as yourself).

I shudder to think of what kind of a childhood Two Feathers survived, as it may have been a very similar situation.

Saying that Edward Steele is “No Boy Scout” is just a “cheap shot”, an unnecessary “slap in the face” to an incarcerated man.

It seemed to me to be journalistically unprofessional, that’s all.

Call it a review.

Sunny Seas
Guest
Sunny Seas
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Take a deep breath, you must be exhausted.

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunny Seas

Nobody questions his opinion and gets away with it..

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunny Seas

I woke up exhausted.

I feel much better now…
🙂

But thanks for your concern…

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Attention seekers don’t care if it’s good attention or bad..

Herc
Guest
Herc
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Thoughts are not words

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Gosh, maybe I jumped to the wrong conclusion, maybe being referred to as, “no Boy Scout”, WAS actually a compliment…

Here’s a “Boy Scout” for you…

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Kym Kemp
Admin
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

I think it is a fair statement to say that someone who breaks rules as often as Mr. Steele did (Matt laid out a comprehensive list there) is a rule breaker and “no boy scout” is an idiom for a rule breaker. Making a judgement that someone who provably has broken a lot of rules is a rule breaker is not being judgmental, is just stating facts.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I could not locate that “no boy scout” idiom.

I looked for a bit.

I even checked your links…

In fact:

Making a judgement IS being judgemental.

Making a judgement that declares someone is “no Boy Scout”, followed by a list of other charges, is not stating facts, unless they factually aren’t a Boy Scout.

Simply stating that a rule breaker is a rule breaker is stating facts.

If he had simply said Two Feathers WAS a rule breaker, that would have been factual.

Facts are most clearly and accurately represented in as literal a way as possible.

There is less room for confusion that way.

Facts represented figuratively, or using idioms, or presented colloquially, or by using opposites, not so much.

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

And she actually thought you would just let matters lie…

BOY SCOUT
1. An individual (typicaly a male) who aproaches every situaion with careful thought and skill.

2. One who does everything according to the rules.

3. One who is not rebelious or a rule breaker; always on time.

Which of those do you think fits Mr Steele?

You could also say “he was no choirboy”

I can’t believe you never heard that term used before.

And you Guest are no saint yourself..

So how about you get off your high horse and realize LaFever wrote a great article and provided some important facts.

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Kym Kemp
Admin
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

I searched “no boy scout” and found a number of examples. I like the one from the boy scouts the best.

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I hesitate to add another comment, but I will acknowledge your efforts.

I see where you have found a reference to the usage. One. And it’s from ‘Scout Magazine’. The other two above it, are not relevant. And I could find no similar “movie quotes”. I checked.

I’m not sure why it stuck in my craw.

In retrospect, I guess I was just having a hard time processing such an awful story, and it wasn’t making it easier when the details of the chain of events changed so much overnight, as to completely flip the whole thing on its axis.

Maybe my mind was trying to adjust, after the revelation of the additional details, to this man not being as totally responsible for the infant and toddler’s abandonment, death, and neglect, as was portrayed initially, with the limited details that were first available, and the facts kept changing.

My mind was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, and trying to determine the whole truth.

Maybe, as the “No Boy Scout” comment was not, in fact, a matter of fact, my mind just wanted to discard it… It was just messing with my head.

And I have just now, identified possibly why I found that troubling, as far as if the idiom was credible…

It was included in the portion of the report, literally under the heading, and described as, and I quote..

“Here’s what we know”, followed, eventually by, “Edward “Two Feathers” Steele” is no Boy Scout”.

But, I’m pretty sure that hasn’t been determined as a matter of fact, and, that hasn’t been clarified, as requested.

I do now see the double bar above his mug shot that may terminate the heading, “Here’s what we know.”…

I didn’t notice that at first.

But wouldn’t it come as quite the surprise, if in fact, Edward” Two Feathers” Steele was , in fact, a “Boy Scout”?

I guess we may never know, if he, in fact, wasn’t.

“He’s no Boy Scout”, “describing a person of questionable character”, (referenced only from ‘Scout Magazine’), and coming from an avowed Boy Scout, would therefore be a discriminatory phrase, as in…

“He’s not one of us”

It’s this sort of media description, which after having read it, could disqualify a juror.

Understandably so.

But, you see, I’m no Boy Scout, so I guess that means I am “of questionable character”.

Really?

So I suppose that if I was a Boy Scout, that would mean that I was “of unquestionable character”?

What Bullshit.

Tell that to Ted Bundy, the Boy Scout.

grey fox
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1 year ago
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If you had a rap sheet as long as Steele’s you also would be no “boy scout”
All this over 2 words…Amazing..

Some thoughts on the ‘He’s No Boy Scout’ defense

DAMN GUD SHAWTY Lyrics – Genius “Let these hoes know, I ain’t a boy scout”

From Jaws..”Damn Chief, this ain’t no boy scout picnic”

“Seek and ye shall find”

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Kym Kemp
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1 year ago
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Guest, I think some people, including very smart people, are more literal than others and have trouble processing idioms. The phrase used by Matt has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Two Feathers was an actual member of the Boy Scouts. The statement simply refers colloquially to the fact that Two Feathers has repeatedly been arrested–which he has.

If I were to say that someone caught doing something dumb was “not the sharpest knife in the drawer,” I’m sure you wouldn’t think the person was an actual knife. Similarly, when someone is referred to as “no boy scout,” this has nothing to do with whether as a child he belonged to the organization.

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I have to disagree. If I told a very smart person “you have one foot in the grave” would they actually think they have one foot in a grave? Or how about “your heads in the clouds” will they look up to see if clouds are circling their heads? A smart person is going to deduce what you are saying.

The Boy Scout idiom is in common usage. A lack of hearing the phrase or not being social enough could contribute.

There is other reasons for lack of understanding idioms if you do a search.

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Guest
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1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Look, I fully understood the fact that he was not being literal, and that it was simply, and an merely a slight, an insult.

Are insults not insults if they are converted to idioms?

It seemed it was listed under a heading as a matter of fact. But that is an aside.

It’s like “a left handed compliment”.

It’s derogatory. It suggests not that Two Feathers has broken the rules, it suggests Two Feathers is of an inferior nature.

I object. (Not that it matters.)

And you are correct, “The phrase used by Matt had absolutely nothing to do with whether or not “Two Feathers” was an actual member of the Boy Scouts.”

(Thanks for the clarification).

What it did have everything to do with, as I had deduced, is precisely that Matt LaFever WAS an actual member of the Boy Scouts.

That is precisely what makes the statement discriminatory.

As in, “He’s obviously not one of us”,

(As in, “he is a person of questionable character, whereas, WE, are not”).

If Matt LaFever was not in fact a Boy Scout, the statement would have different implications, it would not be as discriminatory, yet it would still be derogatory.

Your only reference to the phrase, came from, ‘Scout Magazine’…

” …describing a person of questionable character”…

(It’s primarily a Boy Scout saying.)

Who would say, “he’s no Boy Scout”, derogatorily, that was not a Boy Scout?

It’s an “exclusive” statement. Pun intended.

And “not the sharpest knife in the drawer”, would definitely be an insult.

But I have maybe a better comparison…

And I’d say it’s a much more common saying, but it has fallen out of usage…

Saying to someone, “That’s mighty white of you”, to describe something chivalrous, or even something discriminatory or racist, is discriminatory, or racist.

It could be directly, or indirectly, derogatory, or racist.

You certainly may excuse it, but that won’t change it’s intent.

But it may continue.

Would you find the statement,
“That’s mighty white of you”,

offensive or unacceptable?

Would you delete it?

The point is,…

When someone USES the term, and refers to SOMEONE ELSE, as “no Boy Scout”, the appropriateness of it may have a great deal to do with whether as a child he belonged to this organization.

It may be a subtle, nuanced difference, but there is a difference.

Obviously my contention is not with whether or not Two Feathers was or was not, in fact, an actual Boy Scout.

You make me sound petty.

I spoke up in Two Feather’s defense.

You have come to Matt LaFever’s defense.

What’s the difference?

Have I insulted LaFever?

Even idiomatically?

I found the slight of an offensive nature.

I have indicated that.

Look, it was a very well written article, very thorough and well researched.

I’m just saying that leaving out the Boy Scout thing would not have diminished the article.

On the contrary…

That’s all.

I also understand that I have no room to talk… Just to be clear.

Apparently, I’m “no Boy Scout”, as well…

I hold others to a higher standard than I do myself.

It’s a character flaw that at least I recognize.

I really look up to RHBB.

That may be why I hold it to the highest standards…

Please forgive me for that.

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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No way LaFever meant that as an insult. You turned it into one. You just confessed to not being a Boy Scout. Are you insulting yourself?

Throw all the words you want at it, doesn’t change that fact that you needlessly brought it up and yes it was petty.
Not one person on here agreed with you. In fact quite the opposite.

I think you owe La Fever an apology..That would be the honorable thing to do.

grey fox
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1 year ago
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Or if you can’t do it in public here.
You can contact him at MendoFever his own news site….
Oh, you did realize he had his own news site..I would say his credentials are pretty solid…Never heard anyone call his reporting into question except you.
In fact he ran the article on his news site and not one person brought up the “Boy Scout” thing in the comments section.

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Kym Kemp
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1 year ago
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If I were to say of you to someone else, that you are a murderer. I think it would be fair to say that’s an unfounded insult. If I were to say that of Adolf Hitler, he might not like it, but most people would agree that he was responsible for the murders of millions and thus it was a fair statement not an insult. If I were to say of you, that you were “no boy scout,” that would be an insult (a relatively mild one, that I might not even delete from the comment section.) But if, a large amount of evidence of breaking the law is laid out as in this case, then saying the person is “no boy scout” is a fair statement.

Guest
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1 year ago
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(Facetious font)

Yes, of course, Hitler, why hadn’t I thought of that…

A “perfect example”.

He was no Boy Scout.

He was responsible for the death of Six million people, infants included.

But, more importantly, Hitler, like Two Feathers, does not belong to the morally unquestionable group that “some” happen to belong to, which clearly illustrates how inferior they are, well beyond what their histories have shown their transgressions to have been, which pale mightily in comparison to their lack of membership, in the club of superior people such as “some of us”. So that “greatest of offense” must obviously be mentioned first and foremost.

It is, somewhat factually, of the utmost priority.

The proper order of supremacy must not be overlooked.

Everyone shall be initially informed of this difference from “some” without question. Then, and only then, may their lesser offenses like murder, infanticide, etc., ever even be mentioned.
“Some” must look down upon them from on high, and they will not be denied that privilege.

“Some” have earned it, so they must exercise it!

This behavior is quite preferable.

Because “some”, unlike “them”, have been properly trained and indoctrinated.

It is their right!

Join the club!

( It’s not discriminatory in any way.)

It’s the one and only solution.

Then you can look down on others, too, and just imagine the feeling of telling all those of questionable character, that they are not one of you, and so unclean.

All of your efforts will then be worthwhile.

There is just one catch though…

You must be “straight as an arrow”.

And that’s an “order”.

(No exceptions).

(End facetious font)

grey fox
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1 year ago
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So when are you going to apologize to LaFever?

Guest
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1 year ago
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https://humanistsmn.org/2020/03/08/the-boy-scouts-of-america-looking-for-corruption-in-all-the-wrong-places/

The question is…

When is La Fever going to apologize to you?

Written by David Perry

“I was once Midwest Regional Director of the now-defunct Scouting For All, which worked to get the BSA to end its ban of gay and atheist members and leaders. To the BSA, gays were not “morally straight” and “you can’t be the best kind of citizen without duty to God.”

The Boy Scouts now allow gay scouts and scout leaders (although the latter not until 2015). But atheists? They are still not welcome. We atheists have heard it all our lives: Without belief in God, there’s no reason to behave ethically; and if things are bad now, they’d be even worse without such belief. ”

This guy says, “We atheists”, so of course, the requisite religious bashing must be included…

But, first, of course, comes the denial…

“I don’t like to generalize about religion since there are thousands of different ones and some are worse than others.”

Now, with the denial out of the way, let the religious bashing begin…

” But the BSA has been dominated by Mormons and conservative Catholics at the national leadership level, and this has allowed ignorance to dominate in regard to where and how to look for sexual abuse in the organization and how to keep it out.”

OUCH!!! ZINGER!!!

“Will the BSA ever allow atheists into their organization? There has been no discussion among national leaders (at least not publicly) about doing so. Atheists remain the last of the three G’s that were excluded from the BSA: gays, girls, and the godless.

When I was working with Scouting For All, it was obvious that atheists took a back seat to the issue of gays and the BSA. Now that gays are allowed in, there’s little hope of ever reviving that organization. The BSA’s position on atheists is really a non-issue among most nonbelievers and that has certainly contributed to their continued exclusion.

Atheists are still that group of people that others can claim to be ethically deficient with few people even batting an eye.”

Maybe David Perry owes a few people an apology, too.

Do atheists ever apologize?

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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Why should he apologize to me? He has nothing to do with Boy Scout policy. There are Christian churches that atheists are not welcome in.

Let’s be honest here. You have some personal grudge with LaFever. This isn’t the first time you have gone after him.
You made a big deal over nothing, nobody agrees with you.
Will you do the right thing and admit it? I doubt it.

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1 year ago
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Maybe answer the last question…

https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/06/18/the-boy-scouts-which-bans-open-atheists-now-offers-an-inclusion-merit-badge/

Can’t cut and paste from this “Friendly Atheist” article…

The content is protected, and it isn’t ok to share…

Suffice it to say that the author feels that it’s the “Boy Scouts” that need to adjust their religious principles in order be more inclusive to the atheists, and to accommodate their unrelenting principles.

It seems like “some” atheists, are “breaking rank”

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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So what your point?
Evading doing what’s right is not helping.
Like LaFever said. “credibility”

Guest
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1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Hey, look, you brought up Hitler in a comparison, but I found this today…

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/01/christopher-hitchens-on-the-mildly-fascist-founder-of-the-boy-scouts/272683/

” “Be prepared.” That was the advice the Boy Scouts of America gave its regional directors in a 1991 memo called “Atheism, Girls, and Homosexuality.” It was a fraught time — the organization was juggling multiple lawsuits, and local leaders were overwhelmed by the media attention. To help them fend off the press, headquarters sent out a “comprehensive package of information,” beginning with a statement on homosexuality:”

” ‘We believe that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the requirements in the Scout Oath that a Scout be morally straight and in the Scout Law that a Scout be clean in word and deed, and that homosexuals do not provide a desirable role model for Scouts.” ”

“As Hitchens writes, Baden-Powell was a peculiar character: “He was a racist and an imperialist and a monarchist, all right, but most of the time to a temperate degree.”

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Kym Kemp
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1 year ago
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I’m not sure how that is relevant. But it certainly is offensive.

Guest
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1 year ago
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I’m wasn’t sure how Hitler was relevant, either, when you brought him up, but apparently there have been some associations made with the Boy Scouts founder…

Like this one, that I was about to add, but could suddenly no longer edit…

“If Baden-Powell had had his way, the Boy Scouts might have formed close ties with the Hitler Youth. In 1937, he told the Scouts’ international commissioner that the Nazis were “most anxious that the Scouts should come into closer touch with the youth movement in Germany.” Baden-Powell met with the German ambassador in London and was invited to meet the Führer himself, though the war prevented him from visiting the Third Reich. But he continued to admire Hitler’s values, writing in a 1939 diary entry that Mein Kampf was “a wonderful book, with good ideas on education, health, propaganda, organisation etc.” ”

(This is getting pretty juicy…)

“Baden-Powell was equally enthusiastic about the fascism that began spreading through Europe after World War I. He visited Italy in 1933 and wrote admiringly about the “boy-man” Benito Mussolini who had absorbed his country’s Boy Scouts into a thriving new nationalist youth movement. The dictator explained that he’d accomplished this feat “simply by moral force” – an explanation Baden-Powell felt “augers well for the future of Italy.” ”

“As Hitchens reports, Baden-Powell also seemed to tacitly approve of the Nazi attitude toward homosexuality. When the head of his international bureau told him that a German scout leader had been sent to a concentration camp, Baden-Powell dismissed it by saying the scoutmaster had been taken away for “homosexual tendencies.” “

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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You realize your remarks could also apply to the Christian Church.
I have seen pictures of Catholic priests giving the Nazi salute. The Vatican was very quiet while the Holocaust was going on.
To this day there are Christian churches that condemn homosexuality and exclude LGBT people from their churches.
There is good and bad to found in any organization…
Stop blowing smoke and apologize to LaFever..

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Guest
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Gosh, timed out on the edit, again…🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

…” By that time, the Boy Scouts of America had developed a strong, independent identity — the fascist sympathies of an eccentric Englishman had little influence on the way boys camped, hiked, and tied knots across the ocean. But some of Baden-Powell’s ideas continued to carry though the movement’s DNA — particularly his emphasis on honor, values, and uniformity. Hitchens quotes a famous metaphor from Baden-Powell’s Scouting for Boys that captures some of the issues the Boy Scouts of America are grappling with today:

“You should remember that being one fellow among many others, you are like one brick among many others in the wall of a house. If you are discontented with your place or your neighbors or if you are a rotten brick, you are no good to the wall. You are rather a danger. If the bricks get quarrelling among themselves the wall is liable to split and the whole house to fall.”

A rotten brick?

We best not quarrel amongst ourselves, the wall is liable to split.

If I didn’t have hang-ups about the Boy Scouts before this article, I probably do now…

Or at least with the founder, and his “principles”…

How about you?

I don’t think the “no Boy Scout” comment was meant as a compliment, but maybe in retrospect, it actually was.

grey fox
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1 year ago
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And you haven’t mentioned the principles of certain Christian church leaders, and their members in the present day

@hypocritesunite

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Guest mentioning the edit time is what I was talking about. At times it seems shorter..

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grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Matt LaFever

If I know Guest this is just beginning..
Batten down the hatches I see storm clouds on the horizon..

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grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

Did I call it or what….

Guest
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1 year ago
Reply to  Matt LaFever

Surely you jest.

I am neither a Reporter nor am I a Boy Scout, nor was I ever either.

How would what YOU have written, affect my credibility in any way?

What you wrote, in my opinion was a less than thinly veiled cheap shot, and a literary “slap in the face”.

I didn’t weaponize the phrase, you did.

I just called it out for the weapon it was.

It was no daisy, no daisy at all.

It would be very easy to determine the intent, one way or the other, if you would just simply clarify, if you factually determined if Edward Steele, is in fact, a “Boy Scout” or not?

Yes?, or No?

The pen is mightier than the sword, Matt LaFever, considering that, maybe you should be more careful with your pen.

It’s my observation that you are weaponizing your reporting, and that does not undermine my credibility.

Forgive me if it is not a rave review.

If nothing else, it’s honest.

I found it offensive. Literally.

I believe you meant it that way.

From a readers standpoint, mine, that’s how I see it. FYI.

You want me to sugar coat it?

But, I’m “No Boy Scout” either.

I’ll go as far as to say, one less unnecessary ingredient, would greatly improve and polish the product.

Just a suggestion.

For what it’s worth.

Have a nice day.

Why kick someone, when they are already down?

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

🙄 The fact that you are the only one complaining about this should tell you something
. Get over it.

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willow creeker
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1 year ago
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Hey guest, give it a rest alright? You’re over explaining and insulting the good people who are reporting this story in your attempt to dig yourself out of a pointless argument. Learn when to just be *silent*

Sunny Seas
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Sunny Seas
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt LaFever

I think you should write a book about these two. This circus is just starting, lots more to come, please keep us informed and take lots of notes and interviews for your book.

eyeheartD
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt LaFever

Trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent.

I’d say he failed on all of them, he’s not getting into the Order of the Arrow.

I like stars
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I like stars
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt LaFever

Isn’t the new meaning of “boy scout” a male child who has been sexually abused by a trusted authority figure? A synonym would be “alter boy”.

Jake Steed
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Jake Steed
1 year ago
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Are you being serious? These were his children and he left them to die. Fuck this piece of shit.

Guest
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1 year ago
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They were his children?

Are you being serious?

They were her children.

Did you miss the part about him just getting out of prison August 1st.

His last arrest was 9/19/2018, nearly four years ago.

He probably went to prison for it then.

The oldest child was 2.

Are you suggesting Two Feathers was given Conjugal visits?

It’s highly doubtful that these were both his children. Neither may have been.

So whoever left him to care for these children, left them to die. The cops. They took away the mother, and left him, responsible.

He was not guardian material.

That’s pretty obvious. It was a mistake.

The cops that decided to grant custody and care of an infant and a toddler, to a recently released convicted felon, with a history of drug abuse and addiction, on the streets in 100° plus weather, would have been smarter if they had put them in prison with him, because at least there, they would have had Prison Guards.

It was an ill conceived recipe for disaster, with a fatal outcome.

And the report of someone seeing someone with them ten minutes before the mother’s release was an anonymous one, and pretty vague. Not necessarily true. Pretty coincidental, circumstantial, and convenient.

If they were not his children, and he just kept walking, after being “given the purse” and never picked them up,how could he be held responsible.

Those poor kids might not have ever been in that motel room.

Drugs suck.

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HotCoffee
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1 year ago
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There are plenty of what if’s in this whole case.
We haven’t heard anything about the motel manager.
The room was comped to her, was he tossed out with the kids when she was arrested? We don’t know.
Did he get there and find one child dead, and try to cover for her by relocating the dead child and leaving the other?

It’s going to take time to get the whole story and everyone is going to have their own version.

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Sarah
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1 year ago
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That can’t be right as the poor child is at least thought by emergency responders to have died of heat exposure. What’s his name (1feather to the wind) was seen walking with the two children at 4:50 a.m. He was heading for Brush St.,seems likely. What is everyone here thinking? He obviously took the kids there and left them, knowing they would die. There is no way around it. Cops should have checked up too, but the involvement of the feather brain is a no-brainer.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Sarah

I’m thinking it was a possible false report, to implicate the man, possibly an idea of the mother’s, and called in by a cooperator. It was unsubstantiated.

No firm conclusion can be based on it, until it’s confirmed.

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grey fox
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1 year ago
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And right on cue, the conspiracy theory…

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Sarah

The difference to me is, “thought by emergency responders” as a preliminary response is not the same as an autopsy shows…..

The rest of your evidence is based on someone says they saw a man with 2 children at 4:50 am.

Who is this someone? Another addict? Saw from how far away. And it was 4:50 am not even light out yet.

This someone could very well be correct, but I’d like to know more before playing judge, jury and executioner.
Maybe he did take the children intending to take them to Hopland, and maybe the baby died, from covid, from drugs he got into at the motel, we don’t know, and He freaked out and split leaving the other child behind.

Whatever happened, it wasn’t good and the children paid the price.

There is time to get more details, time for details has run out after you hang someone.
Just like with the dear sweet baby, sorry after the fact is too late.

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Guest
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1 year ago
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“She said, he said”

Its called “hearsay”.

grey fox
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1 year ago
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LOL “Karen” Brilliant…You nailed it..

BigRick
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1 year ago

1 in 3 children taken by CPS is either “lost” or found in sex work.

Child protective services does not protect children, they traffic them.

I know this because i was one of those children.

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HotCoffee
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1 year ago
Reply to  BigRick

I’m sorry you experienced that.
I do know for a fact many run away from where they are placed.

Dumboldt
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Dumboldt
1 year ago

Maybe check the people getting free needles to make sure they don’t have kids

Fr335m0k3
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Fr335m0k3
1 year ago

The law enforcement officers that left these children in the care of people that were not their family need to be the ones facing the charges for blatant negligence and wanton disregard for their safety. What he did is horrible but only happened because the MCSO and their corrupt shitasses don’t have policy to address child safety. At this point I’m convinced the MCSO doesn’t have a single ounce of honor or integrity. How does one leave two children in a hotel room full of meth smoke and think that’s ok. This community is going to hell in a hand basket.

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1 year ago

Unfit parent. Unfit boy friend caregiver. Lazy cops. Those poor kids. The police should have checked on the mother’s story about the kids immediately when she said they were at a Motel 6 with a sitter.

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1 year ago
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I agree. 💯

grey fox
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1 year ago
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Agreeing with yourself? Do you also argue with yourself?

Sunny Seas
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1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

grey fox, you get an award for your comments today, so obvious and to the point. Lots of laughs for this tragic situation.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
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Of course, you noticed one Guest is capitalized and the other guest isn’t.
Wouldn’t that be 2 different sign ins as in 2 different people?
Or were you so ready to pounce that you missed it.

Corporate Serfdom
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1 year ago
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Apparently there’s no incentive for police to raise other people’s kids.

Farce
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1 year ago
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Agreed. And what is the name of the police officer who handed Steele the mother’s purse? Thereby giving him custody of the children that weren’t his from the drug den hotel room….w/o checking on the children or the situation?! What could have possibly been more important right then- a fresh batch of donuts coming out?!! The mother and Steele are garbage people and should have been sterilized long ago. But the police and CPS- we pay them to sort out this kind of crap and protect the babies. That is their job!

Sunny Seas
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Sunny Seas
1 year ago
Reply to  guest

Mary Poppins came in on her umbrella to save marathon meth mom and babysit the kids.

Joe
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Joe
1 year ago
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Plain and simple!

Follow the trail
Guest
Follow the trail
1 year ago

They got a babysitter while under quarantine? She got a babysitter at last minute so she could run down the street after boyfriend and have an altercation? Have LEO spoken to the babysitter and confirmed she existed? My guess is there was no babysitter. She likely left them asleep in the room alone. County already covering their butt. Two sick and or dead kids and protective services doesn’t answer the phone? Something is going on here.

Sarah
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Sarah
1 year ago

There was probably no babysitter. However, the kids were seen at 4:50 a..m. walking with an adult male on N. State St. It was called in and the cops (sheriff’s dept. answered the call, apparently) were supposed to look into it but did they? Seems likely the group would still be walking on State St. towards the fatal rendezvous with Brush St., but they supposedly saw no one. The person who called it in is a hero, the sheriff’s dept. not so much. It was also a sheriff’s deputy who took the domestic call and arrested the mother, overlooking the welfare check on the kids. Also handed her wallet to the same guy who would lead those children to a bad place.

Some say the we only have 100 years left.
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Some say the we only have 100 years left.
1 year ago

It is very difficult to understand this. Especially since at least one of the accused is native American. And this is a stereotype, but the male looks like he has spent time in prison. If what I presumed to be true would understanding this terrible event have something to do with their/our past and upbringing life. That’s not to say both are not guilty, but does it reflect our civilization and culture? If so, isn’t that an indication of, like our abuse and destruction of our environment and our Country’s violence towards each other just another RED flag that we are headed for an ugly the end!

Some say the we only have 100 years left.
Guest
Some say the we only have 100 years left.
1 year ago

Amazing few other commenters didn’t see the intelligence in your post. You are correct this is only an symptom of a greater problem within society. Or to make a cliché just the tip of the iceberg. And I do feel the same as you. With all there is wrong with this Country we ARE headed for an ugly end!!! And the money grubbing lying Trump’s in the world, the times will most likely just get worst.

dawni
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dawni
1 year ago

I agree with much of your post. did you read the story fully? It clearly states the boyfriend was just recently released from prison/jail and GF was hoping to rebuild their relationship.

Sunny Seas
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1 year ago
Reply to  dawni

So let me get this straight, GF waits for felon to get out of prison and they go merrily off into the sunset.

Mendocino Mamma
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Mendocino Mamma
1 year ago

“The policies” Policy schmalicy total BS excuse.
1. Leo/FCS/CPS did not check on kids.
2. In spite of multiple arrests for violence and drugs without recovery/ long term support connection kids not placed elsewhere.
3. Family and Citizens scared to help/act.
4.Hotel life is NO life.
4. Weak communication between agencies.
You see this a lot in cases of this type. There will be intervention from other family members and possibly tribal support to get the kids back. People might use it for a while even. But, after a little bit they’re back to their old ways. Anybody in the family is afraid to say anything. Especially if you’re up in hills. Idiots, they’re packing guns around running loose. Her earlier arrest where she attacked possibly her parents or grandparents with guns and violence. Running around with a bunch of young men a good 10 years younger than her all high on meth. It’s super concerning to see this. The community is split they will talk to your face all shiny and glossy looking cute but behind the fence everything still continues. Racial slurs at each other. Drugging, slugging, whip it huffing, drinking and beating and stealing and thieving. As long as nobody else knows keep it behind the fence, ehhhhh it ain’t a big deal. The babies watch. People try to speak up wind up dead. You want better for the grandbabies you’re an OG shut the f******. It’s heartbreaking to see the youth doing NOTHING. THINKING ITS FUNNY. Anybody driven out to Covelo lately? The Whip It canisters line almost every pull out. Consider that when you’re driving on that road. Standards gotta change all the way around. It’s something called Integrity, doing the right thing when nobody’s looking. Being a good human with a kind soul and productive life is okay. Damn.
RIP lil man.💔

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago

So the Tribal leaders and families won’t do anything, yet if the White County personnel try to do anything, racist will be screamed from the rooftops.
And this is the results. 💔

I like stars
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I like stars
1 year ago

Sending positive energy to the surviving child. This story hurts my heart.

Hakka LoogieD
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Hakka Loogie
1 year ago

Prefect example of the convoluted domestic entanglements the cops find themselves in. The mother probably would have alloweed anyone to care for the kids to prevent them being taken by cps. Two Feathers clearly un-equipped for the job. Just a shit show all around and two children the only innocents.

Mendo gramma
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Mendo gramma
1 year ago

Sounds like Mendo going to be sued again. Another epic failure.

Guest
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Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Mendo gramma

Yep. I can foresee this one getting settled quickly, quietly, generously, and amicably, completely out of court…

Farce
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Farce
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Yes- the garbage mom getting a big payout to go do more drugs and pop out a couple more children. And we all get to pay for it….Is this what a “civilized society” looks like?!! I smell Misplaced Compassion eroding our very foundation….

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Mendo gramma

The way I see it, the only one due anything is the surviving child, and it’s his Mother and 2 feathers that owe him.
Or sue the babysitter for turning the children over to 2 feathers if it was done without the mother’s consent.
Of course, those people have no money, so go after the taxpayer’s money.

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Joe
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Joe
1 year ago
Reply to  Mendo gramma

My wife and I were just saying the same thing!

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago

At 4:09 p.m., law enforcement at the scene would request Child Protective Services respond to the scene.

At 4:18 p.m., the dispatcher told a Ukiah Police Department officer, “I’ve tried multiple times but I cannot get ahold of anybody at CPS. Do we want to have somebody go over to their office?” The officer responded, “Negative, we can hold off for now, we are working with the Sheriff’s Office right now about where this child possibly belongs.”

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Isn’t CPS getting off the hook kind of easy?
They don’t respond to police calls?
Did they ever respond?
Who has the surviving child now?
What’s up with that, and why are the police getting all the blame?
I don’t know anything about tribal laws, but from what I read, Covelo doesn’t seem to have any laws.

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BBB
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BBB
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

I could be wrong, but I believe that when it comes to tribal members their tribe has their own set of rules that when it comes to placing children with family members especially their own father. If there is no suspected child abuse the police have their hands tied and so does cps. I am unclear as to the exact rules or why cps didn’t respond to the calls from the police.

Sunny Seas
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Sunny Seas
1 year ago
Reply to  BBB

If she is native, ICW (Indian Child Welfare) from her tribe should have been on top of it.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Seems to me, CPS is the agency responsible for child welfare and should have followed up at the motel when the mother was first arrested. Don’t they listen to police scanners or check on parental arrests in domestic violence cases?
Then should have returned the police calls, and showed up at the scene of the crime, which might not have taken place if they went to investigate in the first place.
Is motel 6 where all people are quarantined for covid?
Who checks on them and does the testing?
How does that work? What is the actual process in place?

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Crap
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Crap
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Actually the paernts are the ones responsible for child welfare not the state

If mom did not screw up and go to jail the child would probably be alive today

Did everyone miss where the kids were NOT present when mom was arrested. Did everyoone miss where she said they were safe with a baby sitter.

Did everyone miss where Steele picked the.kids up later AFTER the arrest

No the only two people who are at fault is mom and steel. Not the state not worthless CPS. Quit blaming the govt for peoples screw ups. Being accountable for one’s actions is what needs to happen.

My questions where is Dad? Does she even know who dad is?

Sometimes the truth is ugly but not looking at the ugly truth and denying it does not change the facts and prevents us from learning

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Crap

I think the mom and 2 feathers are responsible.
I also think we need to know more about just how and what hours CPS operates. Not much said at the County website.
Also, how covid quarantine works, I didn’t know they are still doing that.
What is police procedure in a case like this?
I bet Matt will ask, and tell us in an upcoming report.
Inquiring minds want to know.

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crap
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crap
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

I used to be a mandatory reporter so I can only give you insight from my interactions with them.

First, In my opinion they do not take kids when they should many times. I have been told, by them, their number one goal is to keep the child with parents and to “teach” the parents how to be responsible. This was said about a case I reported where a woman was letting men have sex with her 12 year old daughter for meth. Yea no kidding.

As for police procedure it sounds like the kids were “safe” when mom was arrested. The kids were not present. They can not just go arresting people and searching places without probable cause. What evidence did they have the kids were not safe? For all we know they did go check on them and they were fine, remember two feathers did not pick them up until after mom was arrested.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  crap

Were they alive when he picked them up?

Was there ever a babysitter?

Was there ever a motel room.

Did the children really have covid?

Or did the mom cleverly say all of these things just to keep the cops from seeing the kids.

There may never have been a motel room, a babysitter, or COVID.

Saying the kids had COVID-19 would have kept the cops away from them FOR SURE

And that infant may already have been deceased when they began fighting.

All unknowns.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Those are all good points, guest.
We don’t have answers to any of them.
There should be a record of a comped room and the motel mgr. should also know.
Mgr. should also know if clients have covid, if for no other reason, room cleaning when client leaves.
Autopsy should show covid as opposed to injury.
The hospital should have info on the condition of the surviving child’s status by now. Covid, signs of abuse.

Sarah
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Sarah
1 year ago
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No no no. The children were seen on State St. at 4:50 A.M., and it was called in. If they were not in the motel where could they have been? They were not with either the mom or the feather. There does not seem to be a car involved at this point.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  crap

I see your point, there was no mention of finding drugs on the Mom that would give them reason to get a warrant for the motel room.
Can’t just say there’s no babysitter without cause.
Do a welfare check? Maybe, I don’t know if someone has to request that or if they can just go on their own hunch.
I know the cops can be dirty when it comes to cannabis, but I don’t see them deliberately letting harm come to babies.

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

If the infant was already deceased when the the mom got arrested, and she knew it, she just got away with murder, by getting arrested, a perfect alibi.

And there is a very good reason for the cops to see that the children are safe and sound, before they take a violent mother into custody

Two Feathers , Edward Steele, may have picked up carried the baby, after it was already dead, and not even known it, if it was in a carrier or he thought it was just sleeping. He may have had very little experience taking care of children.

Everything combined adds up to that the cops should have done a welfare check on those little children, before taking the mother to jail…

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

I agree they should have, but who in their right mind would have expected something like this?
Hindsight is so much easier than foresight.
I’m not excusing them, yet I can see how it could happen.
They are constantly told to call a social worker, well, CPS didn’t answer the phone.

If the kids were alone in the motel, they could have gotten into drugs left out in the open, just another thought. No mention of the mom being high though.

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Guest
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Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

That’s true. But now hindsight needs to become foresight.

Before taking a woman that has children to jail, the safeness and soundness of the children needs to be assured, first, and foremost.

Or else a woman that has possibly been responsible for the death of one of her children, can develop a solid alibi, just by getting herself arrested, and then granting “custody” to another after her arrest on a lesser charge.

Edward “Two Feathers” Steele, may have just been framed by the real culprit.

She might have preferred it when Two Feathers was in jail.

Now he’s back there.

And she is out Scot free.

If she was using and breastfeeding, the infant might have OD’ed before she left it, and fought with Two Feathers…

This happened right after the first of the month…

Party time…

What a nightmare.

May the child Rest in Peace.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

It is a nightmare.

I’m pretty sure 2F is going to have his side of the story to tell, if he implicates her, saying the one child was deceased when he got there, she could be arrested again and both could go to trial.

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Guest
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Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

There is clearly more to the story, not only beyond what was on the first report, but beyond what was in the second report…

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

I suspect all parties, including government agencies, are in consultations with their respective attorneys the last couple of days.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Likely true.

Details will be scant, from here on out.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
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By Alyson Bailey | For The Willits News
December 31, 2019 at 8:00 a.m.
Out of 58 counties in California, Mendocino is the fifth regarding active child removal or foster care cases. That means that 12 in every 1,000 children have been removed from their home. Currently, there are 19,133 children accounted for in Mendocino County, according to kidsdata.org, meaning that nearly 250 local children are living outside of their birth home. The standard for the Golden State is six in 1,000.
Why are there so many children in foster care?
Neglect is the primary reason for removal by more than 80 percent both State and Countywide. Only 1.8 percent of Mendocino children are removed for reasons of abuse. Neglect can fall under the categories: educational, medical, physical, and emotional. In this context, neglect is the failure to provide for the needs of a dependent: abuse by omission. Neglect is often connected to substance use and/or organic illness that affects one or more of the child’s caregivers.
Other Mendocino County foster statistics show an overwhelming majority of Native American children being removed from their homes compared to other demographics (a higher than usual age of removal for the State) and a much higher rate of group home and out-of-county placement. “We always need new families; 20 to 30 percent of kids have to leave the county because there aren’t enough homes, which is high,” noted Nichole Luhr, Foster Care Department Supervisor for Tapestry Family Services, during a previous interview. The County of Mendocino as well as the agencies they contract with want to keep children in their schools and their neighborhoods to avoid further trauma.

Farce
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Farce
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

CPS did not answer their phone?! A phone call from the police regarding an emergency about children?! Okay- who is running that department? And why are they even getting paid?

Yellow
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Yellow
1 year ago
Reply to  Farce

Every government agency should be reachable at all hours.

The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Holy WTF,

If the infant was already deceased when the the mom got arrested, and she knew it, she just got away with murder, by getting arrested, a perfect alibi.

Two feathers was seen walking with 2 children!

And the Sheriff & coroner can tell the difference in death by 2 days to two hours.

What nonsense you’ve spun!

Sarah
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Sarah
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

It has occurred to me that there was no quarantine, but that the mother used it as an excuse for being at a motel. She has been involved with meth before (2018) and this might have been the deal – that is, dealing. If there was a quarantine, how could there be a babysitter? Or did she/he have it (Covid) too? Unlikely. I suspect there was no babysitter either.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Sarah

I suspect much of what we think we know will change as we learn more.
I take it for granted that everyone involved wants to cover their ass in this situation. And some idiots will jump in for the notoriety.
Funny thing is usually someone jumps in on RRBB to say I was there and this is what I know, but not this time… hmm, no friends, no testimonials for either of them.

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Guest
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Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Sarah

The COVID-19 story was to keep law enforcement away from the children, and the condition that they were in, and who, if anyone they were with…

It worked. It had many advantages…

I wonder if a false claim of a young child’s positive antigen test will get you a motel voucher for 10 days?

Mendocino Mamma
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Mendocino Mamma
1 year ago
Reply to  Crap

Seriously!!! FACTS they’re crafting their lie as the stories being told. You can’t tell me that they weren’t fighting at the gosh darn COVID hotel where the county put them up because the kids are COVID positive.. That hotel in general is full of all kinds of insane activity all hours of the night management does nothing . Next it spills over into the parking lot and they’re very close by less than a half a mile away beating on each other as they go down the road. The kids in the hotel room alone. He gets her purse when she gets arrested and goes back to the hotel room and grabs the kids. It’s not rocket science. Gobbles up what drugs are left and dances off babes in tow. Unusual to see at 4am but no one “sees” a thing or responds.
The cops didn’t go over there or CPS to verify the story and make sure someone was watching the kids that was in better shape than both of them. Neglect on all sides.. THE VICTIMS HERE ARE THE BABIES that were not protected from either parent’s hands plus crappy support from societal angles, ICWA, FCS, CPS, LEOs . Everybody knew it was going on. When these people have open FCS CPS cases KNOW their Facebook pages and any Instagram posts, online comments Etc are trolled all day long as as well as the booking log to keep more dirt on the parents . Now, conveniently they can twist the story however after the fact. Explain away explain away it doesn’t change the facts of the day.

Wtf
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Wtf
1 year ago

No one is demanding anything lol .. except your attention

Guest2
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Guest2
1 year ago

MCSO and UPD both have a long history of taking children and threatening to take children from their parents during cannabis busts. This is a well known tactic they’ve used to extract confessions and divide parents for years. To allow this hopelessly addicted person to care for the well-being of two infants isn’t simply a grave error of judgment on their part. It appears to me that those two adults couldn’t provide MCSO or UPD anything of value so the kids were useless, hence one is dead and the other was near death.

Crap
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Crap
1 year ago

This is the result of liberal do nothing to criminals policy. This guy should have been sitting in prison but instead he was on the streets after several catch and release felonys. No one kid is dead. This is the EXACT reason why people like me advocate for putting dirt bags in prison.

This they are the victims it’s their addicts bullshit does not fly with me. People say prison does not reform them. Who gives a shit. They were not fit for society when they went to prison why is it suddenly the fault of society they come out the same way

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
1 year ago
Reply to  Crap

We have tried locking everyone who does something wrong up. We have tried it for several generations. We tried it so hard we built ourselves the largest prison population in history. “Putting these dirt bags in prison” is actually the path we walked to get where we are.

Not imprisoning every one who breaks the law is a new thing. Only a decade or so in and still only being tried in a few places. I agree that it doesn’t seem to be going great so far, but neither was the previous policy.

Sunny Seas
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Sunny Seas
1 year ago

Dear Baby: Twinkle, twinkle, you little star. How we wonder how you are. In a better place, rest in peace.

Sunshine
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Sunshine
1 year ago

That is just so sickening it’s cases like these that make you think twice about doing away with the death penalty. A man like that should never beet to walk free in this world again. So sad for the babies and the mother I know she was in a bad place as well but I’m sure she was battling demons none of us would ever know and her kids oh my god all I can I say is I pray hope and healing over her little boy

Sunny Seas
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Sunny Seas
1 year ago

Mendocino County Law enforcement are only at fault for taking such lousy mug shots. Let the perps take a bath and comb their hair first. Their photos need to go into the family album. Two feathers and his sweetie seem to be in need of a publisist and have them more prepared for their weekly star shot photos.

Really bad policing
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Really bad policing
1 year ago

Uh kinda seems like there was no babysitter. Whos gonna sit in a room all day and night with 2 covid positive kids????
Who quarantined them there??

The county must have known,Im assuming their CPS is overworked and understaffed just like ours.
It should stand out that the cops were not able to contact anyone at the agency.

No I dont think the agencies did all they could.
Um arentt these the same police depts full of major issues????

The officers should have talked with sitter and/or checked on kids. Period.
Maybe the lives these young ones were to lead with parents like this would have been worse.

Cant wait til we can sponsor giving men vasectomies after 2 violent crimes and/or 2 children &/or 3 or more months missed child support, which in many states will now start at 6 weeks when those states claim life starts. Thats an extra 7 and half months of payments boys!!

I like stars
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I like stars
1 year ago

Do you also support forced tubal ligation?

Entering a world of pain
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Entering a world of pain
1 year ago

I’m good with that, as long as there’s a policy to sterilize the many women who have 3-4 or 5 kids with as many different men and are still pumping them out into their 40s.
Better yet, maybe there should be a license required to have children.
We require licenses for all sorts of other things that have far less impact on society

Mendocino Mamma
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Mendocino Mamma
1 year ago

Pay them after 2. Voluntary. Own free will to be responsible. Each man or woman $2500 incentive and free sterilization after 2 kids.

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Disgusted!
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Disgusted!
1 year ago

Does anyone else get the feeling that the whole babysitter story is a lie? These babies both had COVID and she felt it more important to chase after this dirtbag and leave the babies than stay and care for them. Lady, you were the most dangerous person in these children’s lives. They were never safe with you. I think you left those babies alone in the hotel room. That’s why you gave him your purse and room keye to go be with them. It’s all so inhumane what you did to your own children.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Disgusted!

The COVID-19 story is probably a lie, too.

The motel story is probably a lie, too.

And remember, the cops left him with a purse, not the children.

Any report of him being seen with them is unsubstantiated.

A little too convenient that someone just happened to report supposedly seeing them together, days later, at 4:50 AM, 10 minutes before she was to be released.

I’m not buying that one until it’s substantiated.

Two Feathers is just the scapegoat, fall-guy here.

Cops messed up, mom messed up, they all drive away, leaving the babies behind. Two Feathers, walked away, and keeps walking, but is taking the heat?

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Ah yes. The old “men are so abused” rallying cry. Or as kids say “everyone picks on me.” There is a detail that makes it clear he can not escape guilt no matter how badly everyone else behaved. He said he would take care of the children, was seen with them after he agreed to that then he abandoned them. You throw blame on the mother for not taking care of them, blame the police for not taking care of them, blame the county for not taking care of them yet rationalize away the blame against the one person in this mess who said he would take care of them and had them in his custody? He is not being held responsible because he is male. He is being held responsible because he accepted responsibility.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

Where did he say he would take care of them?

Would you object to him guarding your purse, or your 1 yr old, and 2yr old children?

He should have been entrusted with none of them.

Bottom line…

You are blaming him, and only him.

And that, simply, just isn’t, in any way, even remotely reasonable.

You won’t likely budge.

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grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Likely won’t budge? That sounds familiar..

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Read the story. It’s there. He was given the woman’s purse so he could get them, was seen with the children and then they were left alone and one died. Throwing mud at everyone else does not make him clean so why is that so important to you to absolve him? Under no interpretation can that be real.
It’s creepy. And way too personal.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

I read it, numerous times.

Who saw him with the children?

Do tell…

This unidentified person???…

“Just ten minutes before Arrellano was released from the Mendocino County jail, a concerned citizen reported seeing a male at 4:50 a.m. walking with two children near the intersection of North State Street and Ford Road. Law enforcement would respond to the area but would find no sign of the trio.”

I wouldn’t pin this on him based solely on an unconfirmed report.

Post your evidence.

And indicate who you believe also shoulders any responsibility.

Apparently in your mind, Two Feathers has been successfully scapegoated.

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Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
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I will wait for the results of the investigation. As every member of the community would best do no matter what their private thoughts about who they want to be found guilty. Or not guilty. Try it. It makes for less embarassment later. Certainly is less likely to result in a stroke.

Don’t keep expecting everyone to prove what is obvious. He is being held because the evidence that is available makes that reasonable. Too bad it offends you so much but there it is. It is not the end of the story.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

Oh?

First you blame him, and him alone, and now you are suddenly backpedalling, and are going to wait for the results of the investigation?

Maybe you HAVE budged, ever so slightly…

Nice…

Maybe ask yourself why the mother waited from 5: 00 AM until 1:22 PM to report her infant and toddler missing, that she, and police, entrusted to a man that had only recently been released from prison, like within the last day or two, as far as I can tell…

A lot could have happened in that amount of time, in that kind of extreme weather…

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

Maybe it’s you that needs to reread the article.

You seem to have missed a very important paragraph.

This one…

“Remember, any charges associated with this incident have not been proven in a court of law and the details of the incident are still being sorted out. In accordance with the legal principle of the presumption of innocence, any individual described should be presumed innocent until proven guilty.”

I guess I’ve been leaning pretty heavily on this important principle.

Right down to the, “Edward “Two Feathers” Steele is no Boy Scout” allegation, as not even that has been adjudicated, and, although however unlikely, it may yet be disproven…

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

It’s impossible to discuss anything with a person who first makes up what was not said so he can tell you what is wrong with it. No, you haven’t been “leaning” on the principle of innocent until proven guilty. Just the opposite. You vilify the mother, the reporter and the police even to the point of saying the kids having covid was a lie, discounting timing as “too convenient” or “the motel story is probably a lie too.” You just make up crap right and left.

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  Disgusted!

It is always possible to imagine bad motivations, believe people are lying to you when details are not personally known. It is very hard to recall such words once they are out in the public even if later found wrong. Which is why gossip has such negative connotations.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

“It is very hard to recall such words once they are out in the public even if later found wrong”
And that’s why people are speculating on possibilities and not insisting what they have read is the whole truth.
I haven’t seen any evidence or video showing him with the children, although that concept is out there. Who saw him?
He could have never retuned to the motel and went straight to Hopland, where is the mother’s purse, and there is a time gap before she called her children in as missing.
What time did he arrive at the Res in Hopland? How did he get there, did he have a car, hitchhike, walk?
Who is the babysitter?
What is the condition of the surviving child, or the baby, any signs of physical abuse, bruises, scars, how old? Remember, he was in prison.
The mom might very well be innocent, yet there is every reason to look closely at her also.
Almost nothing is known at this time, except one baby is dead and another wandering alone. Both Mom and 2F are suspects.
All we have are questions.

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Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

True. The evidence is still being developed. But it’s the rhetoric delvered with such anger that is dangerous. Too many are so fast at targeting their favorite whipping boys. And seemingly no amount of subsequent information showing they were mistaken makes them pause before going at it again the next time.

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

What I have found is that some people finding themselves in a hole just keep digging, thinking they will come out the other side…

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HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Nooo

We don’t have any subsequent information, we’re still waiting on initial information.
The article says information is still being gathered.
I don’t think an unknown person on a thread can show someone where they are mistaken.
I think, with enough evidence and reasoning, people eventually decide what they believe for themselves.
In the meantime, they ponder all possibilities.
I suspect investigators do that as well.

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Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

“Pondering” is one thing. Spreading innuendo and gossip is quite another. But you are right about people deciding for themselves- at least choosing which agenda they are going to follow. However information and reasoning have little to do with it. Speculation, titillation and accusation are much, much more common.

Sarah
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Sarah
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Here is a question for you: the domestic violence incident took place at around 2 in the morning. It was about 1/2 mile from the purported motel room where the kids were supposedly with a babysitter. However, do you really think Mr. Feathers was not seen after that, even though he had been given the responsibility by the deputy to look after the kids? I think he was seen, with the kids, at 4:50 A.M.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Sarah

” We reached out to Mendocino County Sheriff’s Office Captain Greg Van Patten hoping to understand the evidence that investigators were able to gather that left them confident enough to book Edward “Two Feathers” Steele for murder. Due to the ongoing nature of the investigation, Captain Van Patten said he could not address the details.
That is what I think, for now.
Perhaps another video will turn up showing him with the children, perhaps many things will come to light.
Bold is done by me.

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Sharpie
Member
1 year ago

Matt, you obviously get paid by the word because soo much of this article is just worthless dribble put in simply to up the total. Anyone could have easily told the story in a few simple paragraphs. Neither one of these douchebags should ever have thought that they would be a good parent AND neither should have thought the other was worth breeding with. Both should be prevented from being able to breed in the future!

I’ll bet the parents of both of these idiots are so proud of the job they obviously failed to do.

Kym Kemp
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1 year ago
Reply to  Sharpie

Matt doesn’t get paid by the word and he’s vastly underpaid to deal with the number of insults he has to put up with.

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Which he handled well by the way..His Boy Scout training is apparent on how he has dealt with this whole situation…

Visitor
Guest
Visitor
1 year ago
Reply to  Sharpie

Then write your own damn articles! Guest too!! I am thankful for both Kym and Matt’s blogs and all the info they provide to our communities. If you don’t like the material, go read news somewhere else.

Country Joe
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1 year ago
Reply to  Visitor

Spot on.

Sunny Seas
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Sunny Seas
1 year ago
Reply to  Sharpie

Perhaps you can contact Dateline at NBC to shorten the story to a 60 minute program so you aren’t bothered with “worthless dribble”. Keep in mind, this is just a two day event for these two decayed individuals, there is lot’s more “worthless dribble” to come.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Sharpie

Where did you read about this case that did a better job, and got out to the public more quickly?
I appreciate Matt covering it, and Kym posting it, all while covering some nasty fires.

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Yellow
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Yellow
1 year ago
Reply to  Sharpie

The purpose of news is to provide detailed information. Writing only a few paragraphs would be a comment.

Sunny Seas
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Sunny Seas
1 year ago

Sounds like Hopland Rancheria needs to get funding for Tribal Law enforcement and a Child Welfare program.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunny Seas

Hopland Rancheria Tribal Leaders did the right thing.
Clearly they didn’t want to get mixed up in this atrocity.

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Sunny Seas
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Sunny Seas
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

They need to get mixed up in this atrocity, that’s why they were elected tribal leaders and have a Rancheria.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunny Seas

They turned him in, what else were they supposed to do?

Sunny Seas
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Sunny Seas
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

You didn’t clarify that they turned him in when you said “they did the right thing”.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunny Seas

You’re correct, I didn’t, and you didn’t ask what right thing.
I shouldn’t have assumed that everyone read that.

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CPS
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CPS
1 year ago

As a former CPS social worker in Mendocino County, I can tell you an urgent call to CPS does NOT go unanswered. Instead, the call rolls to the next in charge, which is usually a social worker supervisor, who should have responded immediately…if Assistant Director Kelsey Rivera is so confident and knowledgeable, why the hell didn’t she respond immediately to save this poor child? ANY other CPS social worker, CPS supervisor, CPS manager, or even the Social Services Director herself had a duty to respond immediately, and they are ALL trained in basic child safety, and they are also ALL liable for this preventable death.

The Mendocino County Social Services basic structure has become dangerously flawed, because they are overly top heavy with supervisors, managers, and incompatible dipshits without the required education, which leaves line staff understaffed and paralyzed with fictional top-heavy policy. It is very much still a “good-ole-boy” network of selfish power grabbers drunk with nepotism and disdain for other underpaid County residents.

UPD or MCSO should have scooped up the kids from Motel 6, upon arrest of the mother, and taken them directly to CPS or the police station where safety can then be ensured. How many recent or currently open investigations/referrals did CPS have on this mother? Did the mother have an open WIC 300 dependency court case? Why not? Was there an existing CPS crafted safety plan? Why not? Anyone bother to contact dad or other family? Why not? Did anyone put eyes on these kids in the moment? Why the fuck not?

Also, many CPS social workers, their supervisors, and LE have direct phone & email access to each other, because they coordinate so often (should be anyway). LE majorly screwed up when they minimized initial CPS involvement, and instead decided their MCSO or UPD balls were biggest, and therefore didn’t need to coordinate with anyone.

The UPD officer who minimized initial CPS involvement is as liable for this child’s death as 2fux, and perhaps should also be arrested for murder?

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  CPS

I feel sorry for anyone working in that building, it looks like a prison and it’s depressing just driving by it.

Farce
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Farce
1 year ago

We are all very upset by this….But you have to admit- this is exactly the kind of disgusting crap and abuse we should expect to see as a result of our failed drug/ mental health and justice systems. These two adults shouldn’t even have children around them. They shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce. These poor innocent children should have never been in this situation….Our acceptance and allowance has become an encouragement to do drugs and live like this. We really need to get a strong anti-drug message going, a decent mental health system to help people and a functioning justice system that actually penalizes bad behavior. Otherwise cases like this are only to be expected. And then we all are shocked? We should not be shocked as this is a natural consequence of what we have allowed to become routine….and yes it is disgusting what we have allowed

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Farce

I would add the video’s, Hollywood, music industry, Sports are all putting out damaging messages to the young.
Mendocino Mamma speaks to that quite well.

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Farce
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Farce
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Sports are good- keep those kids busy and healthy and off their phones! Professional sports not so much but pretty much everything gone corporate is a moral rat- hole these days. I agree with you that many bad ideas are being promoted but how to fix it all? I only mentioned the ones obvious to this case and that we have obviously surrendered but we shouldn’t- drug use, mental health and a functioning justice system (courts and jails and real consequences or rehab). And Mendocino Momma has many good comments regarding these in Mendocino County!

Sunny Seas
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Sunny Seas
1 year ago

Meth mom will have her day in court, with an ICWA representative in one arm and a violin in the other arm.

Mendocino Mamma
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Mendocino Mamma
1 year ago

Other gigantic elephant in the room that nobody’s really said much about. These freaking hotels. They’ll take the money from the county to put people up charging top dollar. But they let the place be Sodom and Gomorrah. They sit back and do nothing watching everyone on their video cameras running around all day and night. Buildings are in dismal shape with mold and broken infrastructure. You have a problem at the site you try to call the police the manager tries to dissuade you doesn’t like that. Endless crazy stuff going on in the parking lots and rooms. You call the police for assistance about something they come look around. Oh it’s a RCS case this kid has mental health issues nothing we can do see you. Meanwhile the kids screaming at the top of his lungs and anybody within earshot thinks there’s a murder going down. County doesn’t say a really do much about it because it keeps their occupancy rate tax paid. I find it kind of interesting how they get the money from the state and feds to pay for the hotel rooms through the programs. And then in turn collect occupancy tax from the money that was paid in. This is a huge issue that creates these toxic situations because really you can’t live in a hotel room long term. There’s not enough space it becomes hostile for you you’re too close to your neighbors. You can’t cook a proper meal. Can’t sleep a proper night. Can’t feel safe because you have no idea what your neighbors are up to. Kids can’t be outside. If people don’t have a safe or adequate place to lay their head thats the start of many a challenge with no adequate answers or resloution to be found around here.
💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago

Weren’t the tribes given a great deal of grant money last year? If I recall correctly, they made a big deal out of it.
Couldn’t they be using that to create housing? And teaching their youth how to build houses at the same time, even paying them to learn? I think they did want to build housing near the casinos at Clear Lake but someone shot it down.
Just where is that money going? Who is it helping?

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Mendocino Mamma
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Mendocino Mamma
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Exactly. HUGE GOBS of money coming in, but the projects that result from it are next to nothing. The red tape, overhead and administrative costs disrupt any true value for a significant amount of people. The small handfuls that do get assistance for housing rarely leave it once they find it. None of the housing lists move. IF somebody can find a landlord that will accept HUD they’ll never move again. I’m not really aware of Covelo IHA doing any significant amount of housing development in the past 20 years.

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Sunny Seas
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Sunny Seas
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Tribes did receive funding to distribute to their tribal members during the COVID phase to assist with living expenses. Most members used it properly, (buy houses, rent, food, etc.) others made improper choices, these two are the example.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Sunny Seas

The money I’m speaking of was above and beyond the covid money.
It may have been this one….
Grants – Indian Housing | HUD.gov / U.S. Department of Housing and …In the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2018 and the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2019 (Appropriations Acts), Congress provided a total of $200,000,000 for competitive grants to eligible IHBG recipients authorized under NAHASDA in addition to formula-based funding. Guidance Grant Oversight and Monitoring

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HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

This one was the covid package

Tribes Would Receive $20 Billion from Covid-19 Relief Package as Approved by House Democrats
https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/tribes-would-receive-20-billion-from-covid-19-relief-package-as-approved-by-house-democrats

Yellow
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Yellow
1 year ago

The toxic black mold and water stained, moldy ceiling tiles found in some hotels is one of the worst things about them. Environmental Health departments should conduct mold inspections of all publicly accessible buildings at least once every 6 months.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Yellow

I agree.
Too bad it isn’t in the Build Back Better plan instead of irs agents.
Just think of all the buildings that could be cleaned up and repaired.

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Mendocino Mamma
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Mendocino Mamma
1 year ago
Reply to  Yellow

There is not a single person that will inspect in code enforcement for black mold. So many times people try to call in complaints for the shabby, run down full of health and safety issues local hotels (and traditional housing too). 100% there’s no one to field complaints they get lost in the endless shuffle, end up round canned. There’s no office of hotel complaints and code enforcement does nothing to address the issues, nor environmental health.Terrible conditions that are woefully OBVIOUS code violations. Honestly, truth be told if they ever did have to deal with all of the shabby, sub standard housing in the county there wouldn’t be anywhere for anyone to live for the most part. Far too many people have to put up with living in slum situations because there are no other choices. 💔

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression

” ‘Microaggression’ is a term used for commonplace daily verbal, behavioral or environmental slights, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative attitudes toward stigmatized or culturally marginalized groups.”

“Psychologist Derald Wing Sue defines microaggressions as “brief, everyday exchanges that send denigrating messages to certain individuals because of their group membership”. The persons making the comments may be otherwise well-intentioned and unaware of the potential impact of their words.”

“If challenged by the minority person or an observer, perpetrators will often defend their microaggression as a misunderstanding, a joke, or something small that should not be blown out of proportion.[46]”

“A 2020 study involving American college students found a correlation between likelihood to commit microaggressions, and racial bias.[47]”

“An ethnographic study of transgender people in healthcare settings observed that participants sometimes responded to microaggressions by leaving a hospital in the middle of treatment, and never returning to a formal healthcare setting again.[33]”

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grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

I have seen that on here. Just recently a person made a racist comment about Asians and later said it was a joke.
Or I often hear “I forgot the humor font” or “I forgot the sarcasm font”
Self realization is the first step towards healing..

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

Scroll up, all the way up to the beginning of the comments, and notice no one is interested in you trying to bait Guest into an argument. That tactic has worn its self out and this situation deserves better than that.
Got anything to add to the discussion?

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P. C. K
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P. C. K
5 months ago

I believe law enforcement made various violations regarding the safety of all involved. Upon arresting this mother of two children, officers should of located the children to ensure they were truly being supervised by a “Babysitter” and not left alone in their hotel room. Just because the parent said so! Second, the officers should of ran Mr. Steele’s name, like the police officers “ALWAYS DO”, insuring Mr. Steele had no wants/warrants and given his prior criminal record and known visitor of mendo’s county jail, pretty sure these officers knew Mr Steele and knew of his mental stability. They should of not allowed no other person be responsible for these children until they performed these quick backgrounds of said individuals. Just speaking to Mr Steele you would be able to establish a quick determination that, “He is NOT ABLE to supervise or be-n-care of ANY child”…. If his name would of been checked out thru local dispatch, his prior charges would definitely give you the answer as to whether step in or walk away(as the officers did). Weren’t the parents both drinking alcohol and under the influence of drugs? Step Up Ukiah Law Enforcement and admit YOUR FAULT!! Another Native American’s Rights violated and further more, wrongfully procecuted and imprisoned by judgemental and racial individuals, whom should be ashamed and disgusted with themselves! KARMA is a B…..!