Pro Choice Protest in Fortuna Tomorrow

Fortuna Veterans Memorial Building

Fortuna Veterans Memorial Building

Press release:

Everyone is invited to join us protesting the Supreme Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade at 5 p.m. tomorrow, June 29, at the Fortuna Veterans Memorial Building at 1246 South Main Street.

This will be a peaceful protest against the overturning of Roe vs. Wade. Bring your signs and help bring awareness.

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William Harmon
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William Harmon
1 year ago

i hope a component of the awareness they bring is how the black population is suffering a crisis in their birth rates- just as Margret Sanger,the Matriarch of Racial Eugenics and founder of Planned Parenthood, had hoped it would.

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Ed Thyssen
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Ed Thyssen
1 year ago
Reply to  William Harmon

This is an excellent point. The alarming rate of reproduction of blacks and consequent increase in population must be addressed. A system of rewards and calibrated discouragement would be workable and would reduce their reproduction. A reasonable, common sense first step would be anyone applying for public assistance who has more than 1 child would have to be permanently sterilized before they can receive public monies.

Modern DNA testing should be used to locate the many absent, non – contributing fathers. If these people are not forthcoming with child support payments, work programs must be instituted where they can exchange their labor for monies owed. This may have to be done in a humanely interned setting.

Its abundantly clear our present approach isnt working and is a dead end. New ideas and programs are required.

William Harmon
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William Harmon
1 year ago
Reply to  Ed Thyssen

yeah, i don’t think you understood the gist of my comment.

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No Joke
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No Joke
1 year ago
Reply to  William Harmon

Margaret Sanger was against abortion. No modern, enlightened person still holds her up as a hero.

Maybe if black people didn’t have to worry about their kids getting killed by police who then get rewarded with a vacation, they’d be less likely to seek abortion care.

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Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  No Joke

Epiphany alert!!!

Yep, I’m sure that is reason numero uno!!!

That makes about as much sense as the father’s not worrying about contraception, because the cops will take care of it…

Take a bow.

Captain 'MuricaD
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Captain 'Murica
1 year ago

I’m always in favor of peaceful and civil protest. It’s a great American tradition. Let your voice be heard.

Keep in mind that being offensive to passersby, disrupting traffic or business, vandalism and violence all detract from your message.

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Country Joe
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1 year ago

They will disrupt traffic and trash the Vets Hall…

Two Dogs
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Two Dogs
1 year ago

I hope the Vets in Fortuna appreciate the fact that some of the big players in this are backed by the very communists they fought and died to defend us from.
The dog park would have been more appropriate.

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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
1 year ago
Reply to  Two Dogs

American Legion fireworks stand out front going to obscure their signs tomorrow. And abortion access is unchanged in California as a result of the Roe decision, abortion pills available online nationwide, not not clear what we’re protesting.

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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
1 year ago

Is all this abortion protesting just a diversion from kitchen table issues that are driving midterm polls? Wait until Biden Blackouts hit this summer.

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Rimme
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Rimme
1 year ago

Is all this Biden protesting just a diversion from Don tossing over the kitchen table?

Ever read this guy?
“David Austin French, American political commentator, theologically conservative traditional Christian, and former attorney who has argued high profile religious liberty cases. A fellow at the National Review Institute and a staff writer for National Review from 2015 to 2019, French currently serves as senior editor of The Dispatch.”
— Wiki

He just wrote this, today:

https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/the-case-for-prosecuting-donald-trump

Country Joe
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1 year ago

You nailed it.

Two Dogs
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Two Dogs
1 year ago

My problem is not with people dying their hair and showing off their uteruses. My problem is with the communists rubbing our veterans’ noses in shit.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
1 year ago
Reply to  Two Dogs

You’re right, that’s what Dems have become – socialist authoritarians hellbent on controlling every aspect of our life but first they need to destroy everything our country values, they’ll “save us”

Rose
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Rose
1 year ago

That’s a ridiculous and narrow minded statement
The women of America are not going to put up with repressive agenda that is trying to be forced upon us
The women of America know how to vote!!!

Country Joe
Member
1 year ago

Much ado about nothing…

No Joke
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No Joke
1 year ago
Reply to  Two Dogs

Oh please. The Vietnam War wasn’t “defending America from communism” and the vets know it. They weren’t “fighting for our freedom” or anyone else’s – they were being sent over there to kill poor brown people in order to advance US business interests.

Don’t “thank a veteran” for sending him overseas to kill Asian children, apologize to a veteran for sending him overseas to kill Asian children.

Country Joe
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1 year ago
Reply to  Two Dogs

It really chaps my hide…

Trashman
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Trashman
1 year ago

Can the screechers keep it up until November?

Rimme
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Rimme
1 year ago
Reply to  Trashman

Y’all certainly can try, free country and all.

Trashman
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Trashman
1 year ago
Reply to  Rimme

Free so far, ain’t me screeching.

Alf
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Alf
1 year ago

“Bring your signs and help bring awareness.” You would have to be blind deaf and dumb, or maybe a vegetable not to be aware. But that’s ok. Protest to your heart’s content and brainwash yourselves into believing this will make a difference.

Country Joe
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1 year ago
Reply to  Alf

The funny part is that nothing about California’s abortion laws will change…

Eyeball Kid
Member
1 year ago

An anonymous press release?

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Eyeball Kid

Right?

Good eye!

“Press release”?

Seat belt removal instructions?

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

🤔🧐”Roe vs Wade” “Facebook page” “by Stacy Schmidt” “Press Release”??🤔🧐🤷‍♂️

Wouldn’t it be more like a “Roe vs Wade” “Facebook Page” “by Stacy Schmidt” “Share”?🤔

🤔Since when is “Facebook” the “Press”?

Is having “Facebook” the same as having a press pass now?

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Ok, let me start over,

let’s see,

After someone else noticed, and everything else I said that would have been better left unsaid….

I looked back a ways, over the other articles in this menu category, and the source of the press releases are all indicated except this article… I guess the question is, why?

No answer necessary, I just wanted to rephrase it the way that I should have respectfully written it, in the first place.

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Eyeball Kid
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Re, “the source of the press releases are all indicated except this article: …
That was exactly my point when I wrote, “anonymous press release“. No need for anyone to claim insult. The source should have been properly identified initially.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Eyeball Kid

It says everyone is welcome to join “us”.

Initially, I wasn’t sure who “us” was…

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

🤔🧐 Here’s another “press release”, from the same link…😁

🤔🧐Just thought I would “share” it with everyone…😁

(But, I might be a little biased)…

🤷‍♂️😉🙂

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Kym,

I’m sorry.

My questionable sense of humor is easy to misunderstand.

I should have used a more clear humor font. I thought the wink, etc. , sufficed.

This is totally your website, which I totally understand.

I do regret it if you felt insulted, it was not my intention.

I have a lot of respect for you and your whole family, always have.

The bible post thing, was my one satirical meme, that’s all…

Not that funny, apparently…

I’ll try to tone it way down…

A “share” from an official “Facebook Page”, could certainly be properly described as a “Press Release”.

It’s not like it has to come from “AP”…

I should have given that more consideration, and shouldn’t have questioned it, even half jokingly.

You do your job very professionally.
And that would be an understatement.

Crap
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Crap
1 year ago

I don’t get what they are protesting. Seriously. Abortions were not banned and all they did was give the power back to the states where it should have been. If anyone thinks they will ban abortions in CA you are delusional. The court specifically said a state can not bar a person from traveling to another state to get one

What worries me is the violence and threats of violence including but not limited to arson and the attempted murder of a Supreme Court Judge.

Want to protest go ahead but keep it peaceful and at least inform yourself before you go instead of the fear mongering the media puts out. You can read the opinion on line straight from the .gov website.

Rimme
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Rimme
1 year ago
Reply to  Crap

Well, actually, it looks like it may be just one step as to an agenda. Justice Thomas wrote he wants to revisit all cases built on similar legal footing—including cases that guarantee the right to contraception, same-sex consensual sexual relations, and same-sex marriage. Though he’ll surely stop the carnage, right, before he gets to inter-racial marriage.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  Rimme

Biden administration has gone too far…

They’ve crossed the line…

Encouraging minors to seek abortion services online, and encouraging them to seek methods to circumvent parental notification requirements in places that they are established?

WTF???

That’s completely unacceptable!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-lawmakers-biden-admin-teen-mothers-abortion

“GOP lawmakers sound off on Biden admin directing teen mothers to abortion: ‘Shame on you, Mr. President’ ”

“GOP lawmakers torched President Biden over his administration promoting AbortionFinder.org, a website that provides information to expecting mothers on where to get an abortion and how to circumvent parental notification laws where such laws exist.”

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No Joke
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No Joke
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Considering that many pregnant young teens are impregnated by their fathers, stepfathers, or other close male family members, they’re completely right to do so. Teen girls are not their parents’ property.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  No Joke

They have guardians for a reason.

I didn’t suggest they were anyone’s property.

Those are your words not mine.

Whose property do you suggest they are?

Biden’s?

Yours?

Look, if you think that it’s ok to do a medical procedure on a minor without parental consent, you may have a serious problem on your hands.

In many places, it is prohibited, as it should be.

Some people that suggest that such things are acceptable, likely have ulterior motives, wouldn’t you say?

If you had a daughter, would you want to be informed not only that your daughter was pregnant, but also that someone might be trying to perform an abortion on her without your knowledge or consent, or her mother’s?

I should hope so.

Rimme
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Rimme
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Her own guest-of-wind blew her right over.

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No Joke
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No Joke
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

If my daughter was pregnant, I’d hope we’d have a good/trusting enough relationship for her to feel safe telling me *on her own*.

If she didn’t feel safe telling me she were pregnant, that’s almost certainly my fault as a parent, that she feared punishment and didn’t feel I would help and support her.

Either way, I’d be wondering where I went wrong to have her not feel comfortable enough to ask for birth control to begin with.

If she felt an abortion was her best option, I would support that. If she didn’t want me to know about it, again, that means I messed up as a parent that she couldn’t trust me when in a bad situation.

She’s the one in control of her body. She doesn’t have to get parental consent to give birth and spend 18 years raising a kid.

No one is “trying to perform an abortion on her”, she is *seeking an abortion because it is her right to do so*. Parents don’t have the right to force their children to either get an abortion or give birth.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  No Joke

Do you want fries with that?

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  No Joke

Well said.. And any loving parent should understand that.. Throwing insults is a anti-abortion tactic, it means your statement holds to much truth..

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Corporate Serfdom
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Corporate Serfdom
1 year ago
Reply to  No Joke

If your daughter was engaging In adult behavior, meaning, the consequences of sex was not clearly understood, and that sex is an act of procreation which leads to child birth and increased living costs.

So, Let’s Talk About RISK Management?

White Devil
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White Devil
1 year ago
Reply to  No Joke

Are they the property of the state? Children are second class citizens by definition. Let that sink in.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  No Joke

“Many” is a big word. That falls into a small percentage , yes . But most abortions are due to simply being irresponsible. Shouldn’t be able to change their mind at 5 months pregnant if they decide they aren’t ready to be a parent. Unless of course they are carrying a baby with a health issue or mom is having complications… still very rare. Maybe the protest should also be educational for girls and the partners to learn how to protect their selves from pregnancy. Pretty simple but obviously not simple enough

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Rimme

Yeah, Someone needs to ask him publicly what he thinks of Loving vs. Virginia.

grey fox
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1 year ago

By overturning the abortion-rights decision Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court’s conservative majority has added fuel to calls among some Democrats to change the court itself. Some want President Joe Biden to pursue the idea of expanding, or “packing,” the court beyond its current nine seats. Others would replace the life tenure of Supreme Court justices with fixed terms to guarantee each president has equal opportunity to shape its makeup. In December, a commission appointed by Biden reported back on these ideas, among others. By all indications, Biden seems unenthusiastic about pursuing such radical steps.
What does he have to lose? The Court has shown its not impartial and will stay that way for years to come..

No Joke
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No Joke
1 year ago
Reply to  Crap

You should have been worried about the violence, threats of violence, including multiple arsons and bombings, and *actual murders* committed by anti-abortion protesters over the past 40 years.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
1 year ago
Reply to  No Joke

How many?

Rose
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Rose
1 year ago
Reply to  Crap

Abortions have been banned in many republican states
It’s absolutely ridiculous
And a real tragedy in itself
The women of America are not going to put up with it
Men should not be so threatened that they post such disparaging comments
But there you have it

Prometheus
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Prometheus
1 year ago

Even without Roe v Wade, absolutely nothing with change in California’s abortion law. All the Supreme Court did was to return the responsibility for abortion law back to the individual states, where it belongs. It’s always been a states rights issue. Lets take a before and after photo of the Vets Hall…

Country Joe
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1 year ago

As a veteran, I think this protest should be held elsewhere…

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Country Joe

As the wife, daughter, daughter-in-law of Veterans and the mother of a currently serving Marine, it’s fine where it’s held.

The Real Brian
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Country Joe

Veteran of what war?

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago

Birth controll is always an option, ya know? Amazing how incredibly ignorant people still are about their bodies!

The Real Brian
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Birth control does not always work and generally also has side effects.

Some women can’t take birth control.

Amazing how incredibly ignorant people still are about others bodies!

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

🤔🧐Hmmm… Same as the vaccines…

Funny how some people think all “Guests” are the same people…😁🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

There is only one Guest who is so self centered and presumptuous -that he thinks it’s all about him.

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Yes the “evil twin”defense and of course the “it was just my sense of humor” defense..Which are only believed by the person using those excuses.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

There are many types of birth controll. Non hormonal options. Condoms are always an option too if you’re not to lazy to use them .

The Real Brian
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Do you think schools should be offering this to 12 year old girls and boys for free?

Where do children get this educational experience?

Nooo
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Nooo
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Every form of birth control can cause physical problems. Every single one. And has potential to fail. One out 100 women using an IUD get pregnant anyway. And can lead to diseases like cancer if not carefully done. And pregnancies can still result in death without an abortion if they go wrong. You always assume it’s a woman’s fault when it fails. If men were as responsible as you demand women be, there would be no abortions either yet you never make demands about their actions. A whole lot of abortions are done in women who have already had multiple births and could have been avoided if their partners got a vasectomy.

The level inherent in such surity in blaming is nothing but bigotry. You want to micro manage a woman is fertility without a clue to how it really works. Women’s reproductive systems are not as rigid as such thinking. A woman who has not had a cycle in years can suddenly produce a viable egg. Women who have been told they were infertile have become pregnant. Or a woman who finds themselves suddenly without a spouse when pregnant has to decide whether she can raise another child by herself. Or simply that she is trapped by an aggressive male and has little control over birth control of any kind.

Do you really want to personally sit in judgement of every woman all the time? Well, that is a rhetorical question. Of course you do but you should not be allowed to do it.

The Real Brian
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Exactly.

Rapists are going to start having kids in Texas.

Incestuous men too.

That’s some pro lifer insanity.

Most of those children will be drug addicted criminals by 18.

Half or more will commit suicide.

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HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Most of all children will be drug addicted and committing suicide if we keep finding 150k fentanyl pills in our small counties and releasing the pushers.

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

What a Bullshit thing to say…

Obviously, your mother didn’t raise you, rIght?

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The Real Brian
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

I haven’t died of Fentanyl

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Who would that have offended?

There are much worse things to be guilty of.

How many of your children have died from abortion?

Is that how you kept them from dying from fentanyl?

A questionable tactic, if you think that is what has made you a successful parent…

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The Real Brian
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Children don’t die from abortion.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

No?

What dies from abortion?

A rose🌹 is a rose 🌹.

Would you have died if you would have been aborted?

Did you kick within the womb?

Have you not heard the term, alive and kicking?

If you had been aborted late term, would you have “quit kicking”?

Abortion kills. It terminates a life.

Call the victim whatever you want.

Did you not die, because you weren’t aborted?

In other words… Did you live, because you weren’t aborted?

Does a life begin the instant that one is not aborted?

Does a life end the instant that one is aborted?

Did you just materialize out of thin air after 9 months, or whenever, emerging from the non-living, unto the living?

Sure you did. Doesn’t work that way.

That is your just your convenient opinion.

Tell it to to the Judge.

While you’re at it, compare and contrast with Him, how abortions may or may not contribute towards the prevention of eventual fentanyl deaths, and how choosing abortion makes one a better parent, by preventing parenting mistakes…

That should go over real well.

The Real Brian
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

You on Valentines:

Here are a dozen roses sweetie!

Your wife:

But they are just seeds!

You:

No, they are roses, do you like how they smell?

Your wife:

They don’t smell, they are seeds! I’m leaving you, you’re nuts…

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

You’re unclear on the “concept”.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna4670123#aoh=16565459010902&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

What’s that last sentence say?

“…guilty of murdering the fetus”?

Now what do you suppose that refers to…

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The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Look, it doesn’t say “child”.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Look, it says “murdering”.

The Real Brian
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

If you steal rose seeds from a florist, you’ll be charged with theft.

Doesn’t mean for one second you stole roses.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

And your argument is very linear.

Don’t worry about doing the right thing…

Why even sweat justifying it so much?

It’s better than another headache, right?

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Once you plant a rose seed, you expect a rose to grow.
When you plant an embryo, you expect a child. Not an blob.

The Real Brian
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Rape babies, will you adopt some of the 32,000 this year?

HotCoffee
Guest
HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Will you dispose of the 60+ million dead babies?

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grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Cherry picked …..The law excludes abortions. Understanding the word choice helps. Did the woman choose to get murdered?

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Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

No it doesn’t.

Your statement is overly broad.

Did the woman choose to murder?

That is the question you need to ask yourself.

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

“Of course, medical abortions are excluded from both the murder and enhancement statutes, so long as the pregnant woman consented to terminating the pregnancy. “The words choose, choice, consent keep coming up.
Just like you choose to believe what you believe, that’s your choice.
Read up on who, when, and why most women get abortions.
https://www.mother.ly/health-wellness/womens-health/women-seeking-abortion-are-mothers/

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grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

For some reason the word “choice” doesn’t seem to be understood….

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

It seems to be the word, “life”, that too many people are having trouble “coming to terms with”…

The “choice” has already been made, at that point.

The Real Brian
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

Agreed.

I choose not to read 95% of each of that Guests comments.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Why do you only choose not to read the part that is more reasonable than your comments?

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Choose not to read this…

“Politically, Republicans and the conservative right are typically against abortion, and Democrats and the political left are in support of abortion. However, when it comes to murder of fetuses, both sides tend to agree that they should be protected. The argument then becomes a question of when a fetus can be deemed as viable and can be considered for inclusions in the protection of CPC 187(a). Conservatives claim that fetal viability is not an element of CPC 187, and that as long as the state can show that a fetus has progressed beyond the embryonic stage of seven to eight weeks it will count as a fetus in regards CPC 187(a); a view that was ruled as precedent in the 1994 6-1 conservative majority decision of People v. Davis (Lipmann, 2013, p. 312-318). The ruling in the Davis case seems not to run parallel to the ruling in Roe v. Wade, wherein abortion is considered acceptable before a fetus is viable (around seven months). Of course, the ruling in Roe v. Wade was a Democratic leaning victory, while People v. Davis was a Republican leaning victory, so we can see the clear view each political party seems to have on fetuses. Republicans tend to accept that fetuses are worthy of the consideration of human life after it’s basic forms have developed in seven to eight weeks, which aligns with their views on abortion, whereas Democrats tend to argue that fetuses do not deserve that consideration of life until they are viable; around seven months or potentially as early as twenty-four weeks, which also aligns with the liberal views on abortion.”

Do you also deny life exists after 24 weeks, and/or after 7 months, until birth?

The Real Brian
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Choose not to read this…

I think this is where you’ll find most here agree with you.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Some choose the truth, some do not, it matters not the proportions.

Not one bit. That changes nothing.

Most probably do not choose the truth.

That is why I think that most will agree with you. Big deal. So the majority is lame. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit.

The Pro-choice. But just the ones that make poor choices.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Not everyone has a birth record, that’s ridiculous.

What? Children didn’t exist before birth records?

Sounds good on paper…

Before paper, was it written in stone?

Where is it written in stone?

Who would have written the birth record of the first child?

Did it not exist without one?

Your logic is pretty fuzzy.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Sounds kind of delusional.

Here’s the law in California…

https://foundationsoflawandsociety.wordpress.com/2016/12/09/feticide-and-murder-in-california/

The Real Brian
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

That doesn’t say “child” either…

grey fox
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Maybe this will help but I doubt it.
If I authorize a surgeon to cut off my leg because I have bone cancer and this surgery is necessary to save my life, it is not a crime.

Do you see that I have the authority to determine what happens to my body, and that my consent matters? If a surgeon cut off my leg without my consent, that too would be a crime.

If you kill me and kill my fetus, you have acted against my will. If I make the decision to end an early pregnancy, I have the right to do that, and I have not committed a crime.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Focus on what it does say, not what it doesn’t say, for a real learning experience, if possible.

Your the only one obsessing on the inclusion of the word “child”.

Any particular reason?

The Real Brian
Member
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Focus on what you say;

How many of your children have died from abortion? – you, above.

Guest
Guest
Guest
1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Your “splitting hairs”.

Imagine that…

Call them whatever you want…

Or don’t call them whatever you want…

It makes no difference.

Do you even know how many?

Or care?

So much for the learning experience…

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

It’s ok Guest. I consider the source, it doesn’t bother me. It might many other loving parents here trying to rescue their kids though.

Actually, it was a pusher at a local park when he was 14 that “turned him on” for free, and a Lifelong battle after that.

With abortions, though, they never mention that damage can happen to the woman’s reproductive system during the process, and the chance increases as the pregnancy advances.

They don’t have to alert the parent but who pays the bill if there’s an infection or damage?

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1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

That bloke at the park must have ruined a lot of lives.

And there are so many more like him.

In my opinion, they are the ones that must be stopped, one and all, and at all costs, right to the source.

They are not worth their salt.

As far as the health consequences of abortions, those are very good questions.

In my opinion, the parents, both of them, ideally, should absolutely be notified, and must both give consent, whenever possible.

HotCoffee
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

I’m sure he did many kids went there to play ball.

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

“Pusher?” Do people still use that term!
Sorry about your loss, but did you notice any other addictions he had?
I found this and believe it myself
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Yes, there can be a genetic predisposition to substance abuse. In fact, the American Psychological Association (APA) states that “at least half of a person’s susceptibility to drug or alcohol addiction can be linked to genetic factors.

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HotCoffee
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1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

I believe anyone can become addicted….
To drugs
exercise
food
anorexia
work
laziness
worry
fear
perfection
sloppiness
anything where there is no balance.

They just don’t consider it an addiction.

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1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

So, abortion is the cure?

Makes perfect sense…

It’s all adding up now…

Fortunately, pro-abortion isn’t hereditary.

That would be pro-life that’s hereditary.

Scruples don’t seem to be necessarily hereditary, either.

Scruples must be a recessive trait.

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Scruples?
a unit of weight equal to 20 grains, used by apothecaries.
“give, daily, one scruple of sulfate of quinine”

Read up on who, when, and why most women get abortions.
https://www.mother.ly/health-wellness/womens-health/women-seeking-abortion-are-mothers/

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1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

1: to have scruples
2: to show reluctance on grounds of conscience : HESITATE

Guest
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

Hot Coffee☕, I trust that you know that was not a reply to you. The order was rearranged due to a deleted offensive comment directed at you.

Your comment is correct.

HotCoffee
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1 year ago
Reply to  Guest

No worries Guest mine go to scrambled places too.

HotCoffee
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1 year ago
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I’d say what I think of you, but it would get me banned.
Did you think of any of the other parents out there fighting for their child before trying to get at me?
You can’t get to me TRB you don’t have anything I respect to use.

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grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Such a Christian attitude

HotCoffee
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1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

As if you knew what a Christian attitude is.

grey fox
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1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

I have my moments..

Guest
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1 year ago
Reply to  grey fox

Such humility.

The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

I would care, but I don’t.

Angela Robinson
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1 year ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

This reminds me of this:
https://www.audacy.com/wwl/news/national/judge-granted-alleged-rapist-custody-of-16-year-old-girl
“When my daughter was five years old, he found out about her, and once he found out about her, he pursued custody and wanted to take her away from me,” Abelseth said. “They granted him 50/50 custody despite the fact that [the child] was caused by rape.”
Though, currently, the judge reversed his decision, but damn, before he did:
Barnes, a businessman who owns tech company Gumbeaux Digital Branding, was granted full custody in March, and Abelseth was ordered to pay him child support as part of that ruling.
https://nypost.com/2022/06/22/judge-temporarily-reverses-child-custody-decision-for-dad-accused-of-raping-teen-mom/

Corporate Serfdom
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1 year ago

. “She was in a bar with a fake ID, telling everyone she was a college student. I had no idea she was 16, and I didn’t rape her. That is absolutely, unequivocally false.”

Look, being 16 and looking for fun,entertainment, love at a BAR, while committing a crime with a fake ID,telling everyone she was in college, doesn’t mean she is innocent in the situation that led to pregnancy.

No does mean No, especially when it comes to minors at BARS

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Corporate Serfdom
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1 year ago
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Sex IS NOT A RIGHT.

It’s a privilege.

Act accordingly.

Driving isn’t a RIGHT.

IT’S A PRIVILEGE, AND SO PROOF OF INSURANCE IS MANDATORY.

SO MAYBE THINK ABOUT GETTING SOME INSURANCE

HotCoffee
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1 year ago

I wonder how many raped 12-year-old girls account for the abortions.

There is a morning after pill, no need to be on the pill all the time for those cases.
Keeping searching for the most dramatic case….but that’s not what causes most pregnancies.
And most people don’t want to prevent abortions in extreme cases.
They just don’t want it used as a replacement for all the other options that could have been used but were not. Yet even in those cases there is a pill.

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Angela Robinson
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1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

“Most people” aren’t writing the laws. Off the top of my head, there are states now that don’t allow exceptions for rape or incest, South Dakota, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, Missouri…there might be others or states that make it extremely difficult to get one even if they say on paper they do allow those exceptions.
Also, it should be noted that any underage girl who finds herself pregnant has legally been raped by statute. Especially if the father is older.

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HotCoffee
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1 year ago

Looks like both sides of the issue need to be less radical, the voters can change the laws on either side in any state. First the drama and emotions need to run it’s course.

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The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Roe v Wade was the middle ground for everyone except extremists.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Oh, the old “Both sides are bad” argument. No.
Also, the “drama” is the response. These “emotions” won’t “run their course”. The “pro-life, at least before birth” crowd has been working towards this for decades. They aren’t backing down now.
McCarthy, from California no less, did mention that if the GOP took control of Congress a federal abortion ban could be in the works.

HotCoffee
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1 year ago

Well, you didn’t think “The summer of Love” had radicals, either.
And if McCarthy ends up Speaker, it’s because the Country doesn’t agree with you, and the people in all states will finally have a voice.

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Angela Robinson
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1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Oh lol….and WTF does the over-hyped “Summer of love”, some 55 years ago have to do with anything?

And if McCarthy does become speaker, and he does get a federal abortion ban, so you think that that will “calm down the drama and emotions”?

Jesus H. Christ…a Supreme Court Justice publicly said that Griswold (that made birth control legal) should be overturned?

It’s not just abortion, it’s Gay rights, it’s birth control, and some politicians are talking about Brown vs Board of Education.

If YOU want to return to the 1950s that’s your choice, but tut-tutting what the majority of Americans thinks is right…meh.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
1 year ago

You know those other precedents aren’t even cases proposed for SCOTUS consideration

HotCoffee
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1 year ago

If the majority of people think it’s wrong in any given state it won’t stand, As you say the majority will approve their will, even if it isn’t yours..

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The Real Brian
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1 year ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

The majority of America wants choice on abortions, and it fell.

Duh.

HotCoffee
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1 year ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

If the majority wants to allow abortions, they will change the states they are in or move,
Or maybe the people who claim to be the majority aren’t really the majority.
Being the loudest on the West Coast and NY doesn’t make you the majority.
We’ll see.

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Corporate Serfdom
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1 year ago

Degeneracy has consequences.

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The Real Brian
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1 year ago
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HC can stop wondering and start learning anytime.

From the article;

The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year.

Among 34 cases of rape-related pregnancy, the majority occurred among adolescents and resulted from assault by a known, often related perpetrator.

Only 11.7% of these victims received immediate medical attention after the assault, and 47.1% received no medical attention related to the rape.

A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester; 32.2% opted to keep the infant whereas 50% underwent abortion and 5.9% placed the infant for adoption; an additional 11.8% had spontaneous abortion.

Rape-related pregnancy occurs with significant frequency. It is a cause of many unwanted pregnancies and is closely linked with family and domestic violence.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8765248/

That’s a lot of rape-babies.

Tim
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1 year ago
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I consistently see this meme from conservatives — They just don’t want it used as a replacement for all the other options that could have been used but were not. — and it’s a frankly idiotic meme.

First — if the goal is to not have a child at a particular time for whatever reason, it’s ultimately irrelevant whether that pregnancy is averted through birth control or medically stopped in the early stages.

Second — almost no one who goes through an abortion does so for glib reasons like not bothering with birth control — it’s expensive, it’s inconvenient at best, and it’s traumatic for many even when necessary.

Last — either let people make their own medical decisions about reproduction or be willing to accept mandates for all kinds of healthcare. Your reasons are not their reasons, you are not in their shoes, and you have no right to inflict your religious point of view about this issue onto anyone else.

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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
1 year ago
Reply to  Tim

There isn’t a mandate for any procedure unless you mean vaccinations

HotCoffee
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1 year ago
Reply to  Tim
  1. I’ve carried two children, That makes my point of view as relevant or more so than yours.
  2. I don’t believe in religion.
  3. “and you have no right to inflict your religious point of view about this issue onto anyone else.” But you do?
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Tim
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1 year ago
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I’ve supported several women through the process of making the choice, going through the procedure, and recovering afterwards so we can compare relevancy if you’d like.

You may not “believe in religion” but I seem to recall you posting that you were Christian and the anti-abortion movement is pretty heavily driven by the conservative religious folks. In any case, the argument that life begins at conception is a religious argument, not a scientific one. Absent that argument, the only real discussion should be when viability occurs and what that means in terms of whether or not treatments are appropriate.

Giving women the freedom to choose their medical procedures isn’t inflicting a religious point of view on anyone. No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion.

Frankly that’s the kind of asinine argument that fundamentalists of all stripes make that anyone who doesn’t live exactly as they believe everyone should is causing them (the fundies) harm just because the others exist.

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1 year ago
Reply to  Tim

You don’t need to be religious or a Christian to understand that when you’re cat’s stomach begin to swell, you say they are going to have kittens. Not a clump of cells.
You don’t need to be religious or a Christian to understand Once you plant a corn kernel in the ground, you expect to see corn grow.
Follow that train of thought throughout nature for a minute.
But you want me to believe when you plant sperm in an egg you get clumps of nothingness?
The religious? Many are harmful, some are goofy, but then there are the farmers, and without them your freezers and refrigerators would be empty.
The Ranchers know a lot about how birth happens.
These are the people pissed off that baby formula is hard for many to come by.
These are the people that support your lifestyle and will have a choice in voting.
That doesn’t mean they are Religious.
Nancy Pelosi is Religious, You ignore who’s going to what kind of church.
In my opinion, the Catholic Church is run by the most deceptive religious leaders on earth.
Wolves in sheep’s clothing.

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The Real Brian
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1 year ago

Hot Coffee,

Kym was not pleased with my asinine comment to you.

I made the comment based completely on conservative pro life statements that blame all ills on parenting.

I don’t agree with that sentiment, but wanted to ask that those who use it to simply apply it to their OWN SITUATION.

That was apparently more offensive to Kym than say, making direct insults on my hygiene *(1911, 1 year ago and not deleted or put on mod).

I also don’t necessarily have any inclination to think ANYTHING you say is true.

But, in the assumption that you are not lying about your sad story, and in coherence with trying to be a better commentor here;

I’M SORRY TO YOU, AND I DO FEEL FOR YOUR LOSS.

*I’m just saying, and not looking to debate that Kym. I think it’s fair to say.

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