Heroes Work Here: Healthcare Workers Protested Yesterday at Local Facility & Supervisor’s Meeting, Claim Low Wages and Not Enough Staff for Elders Under Their Care

Two photos from yesterday's protest at Granada by Ryan Hutson]

On the left an image of the Heroes Walk Through These Doors sign. On the right, union members and their supporters hold up signs asking for higher wages.

The chant could be heard from Safeway, just down the block from the scene in front of Granada Rehabilitation Center, where staff and local in-home caregivers were demonstrating. About 30 people gathered in front of the senior care living center on Harris Street in Eureka after having lobbied the Board of Supervisors, and the union’s rally cry echoed, “Hey, hey, ho, ho, corporate greed has got to go!”  A morale-booster, a remnant from the worst period of the pandemic for healthcare workers, the banner still hung on the front of the facility proudly proclaiming that “HEROES WALK THROUGH THESE DOORS” and provided the lively union protest with an ironic backdrop as the megaphones put the exclaimed support for workers. 

Granada Rehabilitation Center and Seaview Rehabilitation Center both provide elders in Humboldt County with live-in healthcare services and end of life palliative care in congregate living arrangements which are owned by a Los Angeles based company, Rockport Healthcare Services.  According to union members with the SEIU 2015 who were in attendance, wages are inadequate to support staff, both for personnel – contributing to a higher turnover rate – but also when it comes to incentivizing and motivating new hires. In an effort to secure a living wage, and to stabilize the employee turnover rate, SEIU 2015 members are bringing their grievances to the attention of the public, starting with the Board of Supervisors on yesterday.  

A caregiver leaving the courthouse after making a statement in favor of wage increases and a better contract.

A caregiver leaving the courthouse after making a statement in favor of wage increases and a better contract. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

In Humboldt County alone, the SEUI 2015 represents around 1000 workers, and nationally over 400,000 workers.  SEIU’s Regional Director Marcus McRea emphasized the union members’ collective need for a wage increase. In regard to in-Home Healthcare workers, he said, “This is the largest low-wage healthcare workforce in Humboldt County. Our members do not make a livable wage, do not get healthcare – really struggle to even get PPE to take care of themselves and take care of the people that they take care of.” 

Speaking with Margaret Caldwell, CNA, who has worked at Granada for many years with the exception of some months in the past year due to an injury exacerbated by constantly working on her feet, we learned that the staff at Granada Rehabilitation were able to organize and unionize their members during the thick of the pandemic. Caldwell said, they accomplished this in the midst of coping with viral outbreaks in the community, while tending to at-risk populations of elders who had already had more than their fair lot of COVID-19 and the trauma it wrought within the facility early on. 

Caldwell explained that although the ask is for a higher wage, there are larger concerns at play which directly pertain to patient care and staffing security.  “The most important thing for my fellow workers and I, is that we have adequate staffing,” she told us. Caldwell elaborated, “The problem is people don’t really have an incentive to stay, because our wages don’t increase commensurate to inflation. In fact, over the years, our real wages are going down due to inflation – and [are at] a very low wage rate particularly now. And so we lose people to different healthcare facilities, different career paths, and so that really results in the problem with workers who are on the floor covering more residents than they’re comfortable covering… residents having to wait too long for the call bells to be answered. So what we really need is the incentive for people to stay and make this a much longer career.” 

SEIU 2015 members gathered to rally in favor of wage increases for in-home healthcare workers and skilled nursing facility staff, Tuesday April 5th. [Photo provided by SEIU members]

SEIU 2015 members gathered to rally in favor of wage increases for in-home healthcare workers and skilled nursing facility staff, Tuesday April 5th.  [Photo provided by SEIU members]

This effort to increase wage and job security for IHHS workers and nursing facility staff was described as overdue and critical to ensuring an acceptable standard of care for the residents, who rely on having motivated supported staff at their service.

A Union member leads a chant on Harris in Eureka, following the group appearance at the board of supervisors meeting Tuesday. 

A Union member leads a chant on Harris in Eureka, following the group appearance at the board of supervisors meeting Tuesday. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

SEIU 2015 members addressed the Board of Supervisors in public Comment yesterday, regarding their negotiations with administrators and management for more security on the job, and at the dinner table.  Granada employees and supporters who work as In-Home Healthcare Service (IHHS) were adamant that the current minimum wage level compensation that many receive is simply inadequate to cover the cost of living, and was described repeatedly as a main factor blamed for understaffing.  

A nurse we spoke to from the Windsor Redding Care Center noted that in comparison to wages paid in the Redding area, the Eureka facilities are offering less for the same jobs.

Speaking to several of the union members on the street in front of the Granada rehabilitation Center in Eureka, it was clear that many of the staff have grievances related to wages, some specifically related to hiring bonuses that were advertised, but not necessarily made available for reasons that are unclear. 

Advertised on a sandwich board at the front of the property, new hires are encouraged to call (707) 496-1090 for information about part-time or full-time gigs for licensed healthcare workers. The employment advertisement notes CNA’s receive “an extra 5$ per hour bonus” with LVN’s offered $9.50 per hour more. Though not on the advertisement, we’re told that, and Registered Nurses are offered a full $10 per hour on top of the hourly wage, which was not advertised. However, staff complained they didn’t receive the bonuses.  

According to supporting union members who traveled from Redding, the short-staffing and inadequate wage concerns on the part of staff are not unique to Humboldt County.  

Granada’s street-side job opening advertisement, promoting a bonus structure that has been elusive to many new hires, despite COVID-19 ‘hiring incentives’ which prompted the healthcare industry to offer such incentives. (Photo by Ryan Hutson) 

Granada’s street-side job opening advertisement, promoting a bonus structure that has been elusive to many new hires, despite COVID-19 ‘hiring incentives’ which prompted the healthcare industry to offer such incentives. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

Several union members noted to us yesterday that there are a shortage of experienced caregivers in this particular area of healthcare, due to the unwillingness of the business owners to provide better compensation for people with expertise or experience in the line of work – despite the need and expectation for those staff to have certifications, trainings, and continued education as professional healthcare providers. 

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Staff and supporters at the protest. [Photo by Ryan Hutson] 

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Xingu
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Xingu
2 years ago

One thing that would make a huge difference to these workers and all the rest of us as well is MEDICARE4ALL.
Lower costs, better outcomes
No premiums, co-pays or limits
No gatekeepers (insurance company employees who’s job it is to deny care)
Vision, dental and mental health coverage.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Xingu

Only a communist would place quality, accessible healthcare over corporate profits.

moviedad
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moviedad
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Ha!
I know, right?
Don’t they realize what’s really important?
Putting humans over profit?
Barbarians!

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago
Reply to  Xingu

Free Healthcare for all will lead to unwarranted excess consumption, exceeding even expanded capacity, necessitating rationing and long wait times just as found in other countries with socialized medicine.

But I support the cause of this demonstration, higher pay for assisted living caregivers.

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grey fox
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2 years ago

The U.S. ranks last overall on the health care outcomes domain (Exhibit 1). On nine of the 10 component measures, U.S. performance is lowest among the countries (Appendix 8), including having the highest infant mortality rate (5.7 deaths per 1,000 live births) and lowest life expectancy at age 60 (23.1 years).Aug 4, 2021
commonwealthfund.org
Aug. 4, 2021 — The U.S. health care system ranked last overall among 11 high-income countries in an analysis by the nonprofit Commonwealth Fund, according to a report released this week.
WebMD
What this report tells us is that our health care system is not working for Americans, particularly those with lower incomes, who are at a severe disadvantage compared to citizens of other countries. And they are paying the price with their health and their lives,”

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Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
2 years ago
Reply to  grey fox

Life expectancy in USA is 79 years old , 60 is a lie. Why lie? We as a country us too many drugs, eat too many big macs, nothing to do with Healthcare. Wake up, take a breath of reality. Eureka has homeless druggies on every corner.

izzy
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izzy
2 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

Agree with your assessment of lifestyle choices.
We’re a nation of walking co-morbidities.
But it’s 60 + 23.1 = 83.1 from above.

Rob Ash
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Rob Ash
2 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

Yeah , let’s use the homeless as an excuse for continuing to
fuck over people who work hard for a living.

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Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Rob Ash

People should work smarter not harder if they want to find financial freedom. Hard working is just what they teach you in school.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

No, smart working is what they teacher you in school and it is a lie. What really matters is how much money you start off with. You cant possibly belive that a vast segment of our population are poor because they are not smart.

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Vast segment? Not at all. Here are a couple of links about average income and taxes by country.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tax-rates-take-home-salaries-40-countri
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings?itemId=105

Now here is what diffent countries spend the income on:
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-do-people-in-different-countries-spend-their-money/

We have a problem for sure but it’s not what people who comment here think it is.

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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Low paid persons often are working to get a higher paying job.

$17/hour = $35,000/year.

CNAs should be working on their LVN, LVN’s should be working on their RN. RN’s often get BSN’s, and BSN’s often become NP’s and PA’s.

If you really want to blow the wad, go to medical school or become a DO or an ND.

I have met Doctors who are also lawyers, DO’s who are also ND’s etc…

Would you like to know how long I worked before I made $35,000/year?

It’s a thankless job, but it doesn’t have to be permanent!

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moviedad
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moviedad
2 years ago

Sounds like a lifetime of debt.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago

What year was it when you first made $35,000?

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

It is $34,000 unless they have no vacation time, and that is before taxes.

Anyone working full time should be able to support a family.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Yes a vast segment. Feel free to try again with links that help you make a point this time. The US has a poverty rate of over 11% and that is with very conservative definitions for who qualifies as impoverished.

Look at how much Americans spend on healthcare!

moviedad
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moviedad
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Yeah, yeah, I can’t respect anyone who was too lazy to have not be born with money.

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Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Starting with money sure helps, but most of the people I know with money earned it, myself included. Some of the smartest people around me are not very wealthy. There are different types of smart and many smart people have a very narrow focus or over analyze decisions. My point is that you can work hard your whole life and not have much to show on the end. I see it as working smart being resourceful, learning, adapting, and pursuing goals. I suppose this path isn’t for the vast majority, but I still think it’s possible. Unfortunately many people like to work 8 hours, or more, then kick back and relax, take care of family etc. To work smart requires sacrificing and risk which is not really in most peoples DNA.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

I dont know a single person with a good amount of wealth who didn’t start off with money. That’s not to say that the aren’t out there. Many forget mommy and daddy cosigning on their first home or car. It doesn’t mean they never had to earn money, it just makes it much easier to do so.

The path you describe is not for the vast majority because it does not work out for the vast majority who try it. Not because it isn’t in their DNA.

Social mobility in the USA is about th same as in India, a country still struggeling to move away from the caste system! CEO compensation has grown 940% since 1978 while typical worker compensation has risen only 12% during that time. Will working smart and being wise about budgeting save the American worker from that?

Hard (and smart working) people can and should demand ethical wealth distribution while working. The argument that we should just accept the current system because a fraction of those who are willing to work very hard, and intelligently, can be successfully is intellectually pathetic.

I apologize if this isn’t your position, but I think that it is a fair interputation of your comments so far.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

I am not sure how to explain this better, but I think we aren’t understanding each other. No worries. I appreciate your attempts and while I’d love to continue the weather is improving and I’m running behind on so many tasks. But that’s my path and I choose to forge my own way along time ago. The early years were harder and yet all I do is try to solve problems still and now no one can fire me or ruin my work environment since I create my own. The drive, positive attitude, and confidence to trust oneself isn’t common. And for me this is a good thing. I deeply appreciate those I employe as I need them to succeed. There is no large gains without substantial risk. Risking starving when you work for yourself is still better to me than enduring a lousy boss or job. I wish these people luck in their battles and a good protest is inspirational. I just learned long ago that most people are freeloader and are all talk. Wishing you luck as well changing the big corporate machine.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Fair enough. I do believe I understand your position for the record.

I am also self employed, just not nearly as self-congratulatory about it.

ROBBER Baron
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ROBBER Baron
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Generational wealth, written by the those who understood that money power wealth doesn’t happen overnight.

So many people have all these fanciful notions and pipe dreams about some fantasy of a life, that gets fed to them from a young age, and without the marketing and business acumen and a real cognizant of how true success manifests.

Providing goods and services to the public and privately gutting your competition.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  ROBBER Baron

I find this to be a poorly written and insubstantial comment.

willow creeker
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2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Let’s be honest hayforker- many people here were hard workers and came from modest backgrounds- but did well because of weed. You aren’t extra smart or talented because of that, just happened to be in the right place at the right time and worked hard.
Many smarter and harder working people in this country don’t make the kind of money that was made here during the bubble. Be grateful, but don’t gloat.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

I’m grateful, but also always was willing to forge my own path and take the risks to start a business. I never stopped learning and maybe my view of the world rubs people wrong. I’m okay with that since I’ve never cared what others think.

Maybe someone will read this and get the hint that there is another way besides hoping a union will solve their problems. I still wish these workers the best and hope they find happiness. And if they don’t I might just start a RAL facility when the pandemic winds down and I’ll hire them.Maybe gloating is my confidence that I could offer a better work environment that the corporate borg.

I still think these workers could start their own facility and crush it way more than being an employee.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

It is your lack of self awareness that rubs people the wrong way.

The traits you seems to find so abundant in yourself and so rare in others are not rare at all. Certainly not remotely as rare as social mobility.

Unions have solved many labor problems in our nations history. Is it wrong to hope a mechanic will fix a car?

What percentage of people could our economy tolerate being self employed? You dont seem to be able to think about societal level problems effectively, because your world view is so rabidly individualistic (self-centered).

Rob Ash
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Rob Ash
2 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

You probably wouldn’t be able to handle one eight hour shift as a CNA without having a nervous breakdown..

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Rob Ash

Would not even bother since they would be able to pay me enough. It may be a job someone has to do, but no one is being required or forced to work there. Humans are really good at putting up with BS and just trudging through. Be the change you wish to be. Maybe all these people should get together and open their own facility?

Rob Ash
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Rob Ash
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

You could , (God forbid ) have an accident tomorrow ,break your neck, become a quadriplegic and be stuck in that place totally dependent upon the care of people whom you scorn and who’s work you demean. A cocky , cavalier attitude won’t get you very far then doesn’t matter how ” smart” you believe yourself to be Methinks you have not really had much practice wading through the BS

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Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Rob Ash

Life can always get worse. Maybe I get lucky and maybe not. I don’t mean to demean this people, but I just think there is better ways that unionizing. They should do it if they want, but wouldn’t the real solution be to start their own facility? Even a residential assisted living facility. Decent money it. As for serious issues – maybe skilled nursing facility, that’s a heavier lift but even better. But will they do it or just hope the union saves them?

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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Unions are for people who can’t negotiate.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago

Hahahaha. Why would someone have to think at all if the union will do it for them? Skip the union and become your own employer and hire people. It’s the path to greater control and more income.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

What a patently dumb statement. I hope you didn’t come up with that gem yourself.

ROBBER Baron
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ROBBER Baron
2 years ago
Reply to  Rob Ash

That cocky cavalier attitude is why some people get management positions over more qualified people.
You have to be a vicious player, and know how to extract the most from your employees

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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago
Reply to  Rob Ash

Agree. I would rather drive truck…

Liberty Biberty
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Liberty Biberty
2 years ago
Reply to  grey fox

Yes the American people are at a disadvantage compared to citizens from other countries that immigrate here and get wonderful benefits. You are right

grey fox
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2 years ago
Reply to  grey fox

Typo. Actually life expectancy for men in US is 74 years of age for 2021. A drop from 76 years of age.

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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago
Reply to  grey fox

Why is there such a worker shortage that we have to wait months for an appointment?

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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago

Who wants to work with dirty, silly people during a pandemic? Not me…

Even my brother, 72, retired science teacher, refuses to be vaccinated…

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

Because pay is too low.

Not my first rodeo
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Not my first rodeo
2 years ago

Well you probably haven’t even been out the United States because you think the healthcare here is better. I am so frustrated with the healthcare system here most the time I can’t even talk to anybody on the phone when I call to them it’s always an answering service saying that they will call me back and many times they never do. Then once I do get to talk to somebody they scheduled me for an appointment two months or more out. And that’s just an appointment for an introduction to ask me about what my symptoms are. If I need to go to anybody else to get tests that’s another two week to 2 months wait . If they say they’re going to send a referral out they often forget and don’t send a referral and then if they do send a referral the person who gets the referral doesn’t respond for another two weeks or maybe never. I lived in Guatemala for 20 years I could go to any doctor there and get in the same day the same hour . The doctors were just as well trained usually in either Cuba ,Germany or the United States and the fees were so reasonable that I could actually afford to pay out-of-pocket. These weren’t even socialized countries and they are considered Third World. BTW there was no excessive consumption of seeking medical help. The United States is fourth world in their medical practices. Maybe you should try getting a passport and leaving the country to actually see what other countries get for medical care instead of believing what uninformed people tell you.

The king
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The king
2 years ago

Your medical experience recently seems blah. What part do you live? I have lived in Iowa, Oregon, Alaska and California. I usually had good medical until I came to the north coast of California. This place has the worst health care than everywhere. As you say waiting months to get an initial diagnosis which is often given by a distracted, unproven, joke of a physician that gives the wrong diagnosis. Then you want a better, more accurate opinion so then start the process over. Not to mention most every step of the way the medical support team are making their own mistakes along the way, thus delaying each appointment and process. I plan to be out of here before my health deteriorates

Rob Ash
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Rob Ash
2 years ago
Reply to  The king

” The King” would never submit to medical treatment from dirty foreigners..

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  Rob Ash

Nothing said by The king, except your own rancor, would lead to that idea.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago
Reply to  The king

True, the back office staff just don’t care whether a patient gets proper care – next week or three months from now is all the same to them – they just don’t care one way or the other

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  The king

After 14 months of having a partial sent back and forth to Florida to be made by prisoners there, I finally accepted a badly fitting one just to stop driving 50 miles each month for horrible results, That’s our local dental care.

I know many elderlies that desperately need a hearing aid they can’t afford.

Hubby got a pacemaker and the lead put in the wrong place and left that way for 10 years causing afib, that ceased when placement was corrected.

No such thing as a personal doctor anymore, just Government Bots taking orders.

So many personal and family horror stories, too many to type up.
I have zero confidence in our current health system.

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ROBBER Baron
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ROBBER Baron
2 years ago
Reply to  The king

<this ^

The solution for shit medical care, …7/11 $tyle med centers, is to be more responsible for your long term health.

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago

Really? You know this how? Living in Guatemala where, while nationalized, health care is mostly unavailable for natives as the governmentvspends very little to support it. It’s almost exclusively limited to the capital itself which does apparently have surprisingly have a thriving medical tourism industry. Most rural residents can’t afford to even get there.

Some tibits- ranking of per capita medical doctors by country: our ranking is not good espcially considering about a third to a fourth of US medical doctors were born elsewhere and are a mix of trained elsewhere and trained here and stayed. The US does not rank high.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-most-physicians-per-capita.html#:~:text=Countries%20With%20The%20Most%20Physicians%20Per%20Capita%20,%20%204.4948%20%2046%20more%20rows%20

However the US shouldn’t blush over our poor performance in training doctors- we out pace the world by many multiples in graduating lawyers.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Number-of-lawyers-in-different-countries-of-the-world_tbl1_270105553

And as for crime and it’s drain, the US is no slouch either. Although Guatemala outshines it too.

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp

The US DOES have a problem with health care, especially distribution where big rich cities take a large chunk of the resources. But we also have a problem with crime, lawyers and that last drain caused by crime- prisons. And our universities who turn out lawyers but not medical doctors. The idea that ACA was going to do something about it was one of the only two bright spots in the law and it actually made it worse.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

My doctor claimed 25% of health workers left their profession in the last couple years

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Xingu

It’s always greener on the other side of the hill and yet still nothing is for free.

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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago
Reply to  Xingu

If there was Medicare4All, every aspect of healthcare would slow down 2-3X…

Healthcare workers would all be federal employees, and they would then be eligible for fat pensions too…

Your plan will never see daylight… It’s just a dream.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago

Come at the appointed time and wait hours to get in

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

I was with SEIU for a short time. They are awful! Horrible union that serves industry before workers. Although without them conditions may be even worse.

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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago

Unions totally suck but so do healthcare wages in Humboldt!

Everything costs more on the North Coast but wages are stupid-low…

Unions being present is a great sign that management is poor quality, so if they don’t pay well, don’t work there!

Not my first rodeo
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Not my first rodeo
2 years ago

“Don’t work there” is your solution??? So you’re supposed to just not pay your rent, not pay your electric, not buy food, not buy clothes for your children. You obviously are clueless. You’re advocating for more people on welfare and more homeless people on the street. Don’t you think we have enough of that already?

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago

Yes, don’t work there. Educate yourself and find another job or career. It’s that simple, but it’s not easy. This protest is easy and won’t fix the overarching problems with healthcare. I do understand people like to stay in ruts and complain. This job isn’t supposed to be a career, but if you don’t better yourself it will be.

No Joke
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No Joke
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

The residents of those facilities need caregivers, though, and especially when it comes to residents with dementia, memory loss, and related difficult behavior, you *need* experienced caregivers who *have* made it their career

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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago
Reply to  No Joke

And if you can’t survive on your salary, try surviving on Social Security…

ROBBER Baron
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ROBBER Baron
2 years ago

Tell that to all those illegals who are still seeing more opportunity for a better way in El norte

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  No Joke

Memory loss facilities are challenging and I’m sorry I view this issue differently. I still think it’s better to start and manage your own facility than work for one that sucks. I plan to try a residential assisted living facility once the pandemic calms down. Maybe do a few and have a place for my family. It isn’t a skilled nursing or memory care, but a start and I’ll poach these disgruntled workers. Heck they should start their own facility, but I guess most people wouldn’t bother.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

There are not anywhere close to enough decent paying jobs to go around, so you are suggesting that many people should not work at all. You often seem to have a childs understanding of the world.

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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

70 years old, 41 years in healthcare…

Yeah, I just don’t get it.

ROBBER Baron
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ROBBER Baron
2 years ago

It would be great if we had a different approach to preventive medicine, instead of ignorance and cheap options

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

That’s ok, not all become wiser as they get older.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Why do these people start their own facility? Residential assisted living is easy to start compared to skilled nursing, but both have huge profit margins and their wages/work environment will be their own making. That’s my thought. I’ve almost started a RAL facility just before pandemic, and will probably try again once things calm down. Be your own boss and skip the union.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Off the top of my head, I would guess that start up costs are prohibitive. Almost half of people cant afford homes, let alone commercial property.

The solution to poor labor laws should not (and obviously can not) be for everyone to be self employed.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago

Plenty of jobs around, even McDonald’s pays 17+

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

Only for general managers, and that is not enough to live on at full time. Maybe you were being sarcastic?

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

No, McDonald’s sign in fortuna said starting $17 months ago

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

Their website was out of date. Since May 13th it has been $11 – $17/hr for entry level and $15 – $20 for shift managers.

You could almost live on the $20/hr full time. That’s about $35,400 after taxes. $2950 a month. You’d want to share an apartment with someone and eat cheap (maybe at work) but you could get by.

I guess since McDonalds hardly makes any profit and their CEO’s receive modest salaries, it’s ok to pay workers $17.

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2 years ago

You have choices, you have options.

Many of the people working in SNF’s everywhere are immigrants, poor, and family members of current employees.

Low paid workers are exploited and usually, exploitable.

People whine about how hard life is, when public schools are free, community colleges exist even in *Lake County*

Remember: It works if you work it, and my Sister got married out of high school, moved to Eastern Iowa, had kids and still managed to take a class or two until she got a Bachelor’s degree. Eventually, she got into the P.A. School at U of Iowa, graduated and is now licensed in CA, Iowa and Minnesota.

Her first Job? Phlebotomy Tech.

I a job treats you unfairly, find something else. It’s America, if you don’t make enough money, make more money!

Picketing your employer seems pathetic, but in a Union, gains are small and employers love to fight Unions…

Take care of those patients well, since you could be one of them soon enough.

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hmm
2 years ago

Its not about how hard life is, it is about not getting an ethical share of the profits our work generates, and standing up agisnt employers as a workforce to demand to be treated with dignity and respect is about the most American thing you can do.

Dont be such a bootlicker.

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2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Insults abound…

My suggestion would be to go somewhere else besides the filthy hole named Eureka, and seek a better life.

If you want to stay or choose to, live it, or, live with it…

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

I have a great life. Im one of the luck ones. And I like Eureka. My neighborhood is great actually.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

The most American thing to do is go start your own business. I’d start a RAL soon if I could find good help. Maybe poach some of these workers… or if they’re crafty they’ll start their own.

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2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

You would not believe the number of laws and sheer volume of crap policies, procedures, recordkeeping and government oversight of this industry. Add to that the volume of lawsuits, the cost of insurance and the gigantic salaries SNF administrators take home, and you would never consider doing this…

I met a lady who said she wanted to do residential care, and she changed careers from hospital ancillary healthcare worker to Big Rig Operator… Now makes $180,000/year, double her previous income…

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago

I haven’t researched a SNF, but throughly investigated RAL and it’s a good business model. You need to hire the right people to run it but there is decent profit margins and a never ending stream of customers. You can make way more than 180k doing it as the owner. The key is that you have physical assets and a business that you can sell eventually and that’s how you make money to retire.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

I disagree. The most American thing to do is to fight for workers rights. I already own two business and part of a third.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Ok, maybe we can agree to disagree? Workers are the key to a successful business and i rely on mine and subcontractors all day long. Expecting a large corporate employer to ever respect and maintain workers rights is unreasonable.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

I only expect large corporate employers to follow the law, or significant social pressure that they fear could affect profits.

The difference here is not our expectations, but what we think are appropriate responses to a lack of respect and maintenance of workers rights.

Martha
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Martha
2 years ago

That’s literally the WHOLE POINT. Next to nobody wants to work there because it’s a hard ass job that pays next to nothing for the effort. “Don’t work there” unfortunately cannot be the final answer for everyone as the elderly keep multiplying in numbers and it’s not about to stop.

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2 years ago
Reply to  Martha

I think you are working in the wrong field. There are so many openings and opportunities!

Get out of Eureka, because there is a world of possibilities…

Rob Ash
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Rob Ash
2 years ago

The only thing that sucks worse than unions is management. Whattya do?

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2 years ago
Reply to  Rob Ash

Try something else…

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

Good idea, I suggest rioting.

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2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Riot is not the way to go here, but they could have a sick-out…

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

I was kinda joking/being hyperbolic. You’re right though.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Rob Ash

Be you’re own manager. These workers should start their own facility. It isn’t perfect but they will be responsible for their own victory or misery.

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Carrie Ohn
2 years ago

See NPR news today, under business heading. Federal minimum staffing requirements are (slowly) in the works. Years ago i worked in this sector and was appalled at the inadequate staffing. Sad to see corporate greed and apathy still in charge. Now i visit my contemporaries at these facilities and there has been no change. Shame! They get fines and carry on the same.
I was a union member then, and am only saddened by how little awareness we have been able to bring to this industry.

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2 years ago
Reply to  Carrie Ohn

SNF’s are run under volumes of State and Federal Law, including staffing levels and Licensure.

Often, the SNF turns into a warehouse, and, many of them pick and choose their patients for “ease of handling” gender, and specific medical conditions…

Medicare pays about $5500/month to take care of a patient. Many of the patients have little in the way of income and assets, and the facility has to comply with inspectors, citations of deficiencies and constant struggles to collect payments.

It’s all a delicate balance, which is why they have CEO’s to wear a suit and talk to people while making high salaries…

American Healthcare exists to make money and pay Administrators to ensure that the Corporate interests have steady income on their Investments…

Workers are always available, and there is always somebody else…

If you hate your job, get something else going. Healthcare careers are like long prison sentences, only with a paycheck.

Remember, about 5% of all Californians are Real Estate Agents…

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hmm
2 years ago

“American Healthcare exists to make money and pay Administrators to ensure that the Corporate interests have steady income on their Investments…”

This is what some of us want to change. Those of us who think our nation still has a chance to be better.

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2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Good luck with that… Trump isn’t coming back, and will likely do jail time for his many crimes against the USA…

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago

Unfortunately the stupidity of rabid partisan politics is that all national politicians are as bad or worse than Trump and know that this vendetta against Trump will turn around to bite them in turn if were a matter of actually principles rather than partisanship. It’s a race to out gangster political rivals. Not out virtue them.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

I hate tRump even more than I hate most democrats. I dont recall tRump supporting universal healthcare either.

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

There are scandals about nursing homes in every country. Custodial care of incapable people is expensive, hard and has no chance of good endings. It is a test of principle in an industry where most of the publicbprefers to pretend it doesn’t exist. Sweden had a better than most reputation for its nursing homes- mind you not good but better- until covid swept through them. Then the reality that investment in anything other than sick old people is everyone’s priority. Nationalised or private makes no difference.

Truth is that every health system is monetized. No doctor or hospital can pretend that money doesn’t matter. Just who gets the benefits changes with the organization but government run health systems are just as full of flaws as private ones. In fact, for rural people, the more government control, the less the benefits as the votes live urban.

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2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Well, there is always dying at home, which can be assisted by hospice…

My father refused to go to SNF, died of Cancer at home, age 90.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago

Yes!

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago

Refusing to go to a nursing home is frequently not an option. Frequently the course of many illnesses like strokes, brain injuries or degenerative diseases go from acute care in a hospital to being transferred to a nursing home because hospital services are no longer going to result in improvement and reimbursed yet the person can not take care of themselves or have no one capable of taking care of them . The people in long term nursing homes care are not those with fatal illnesses but are ones with non fatal (at least immediately so) but degenerative conditions that impair their functioning.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Well said but largely incorrect. Healthcare, health outcomes, and healthcare costs are overall better in single payer systems.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

You can wish to change this, and it might make you feel like you’re helping, yet that’s not really how things work.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

A strange comment. Im not much of a wish maker, nor would I ever mistake wishing (or praying) as effective.

Martha
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Martha
2 years ago

It’s also worth mentioning that since 2010 around 10,000 baby boomers reach “retirement age” each year. They estimate this will continue until 2030 when they’re all 65 or older. That’s a MASSIVE amount of elderly who will be needing care. The need will only grow and the workers have always been an after thought. Maybe we should pay attention because there just might be no one to wipe your ass in your time of need eventually and then you’re gonna be pissed.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Martha

Make sure you have the financial resources or family support to take care of yourself when you’re old. The money printing, low interest rates and ensuing inflation are already crushing people on fixed incomes. It is just basic math.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Assisted living costs $7000/mo and Medicare doesn’t help so you’ll need to save several hundred thousand

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago

Yep, life isn’t easy. I’ll probably never retire.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

It could be much easier if we attempt to improve our system rather than throwing up our hands and accepting our lot, or only looking to improve our own situations.

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

But fantasizing over the effect of government regulation doesn’t help either. And way too often those who see problems they create look to someone else to solve it without ever accepting responsibility.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

It doesn’t, and I wouldn’t be one to suggest fantasizing over the effect of government regulation. I dont engage in that myself.

Problems created by a societies structure are best addressed as a society.

And way too often those who see problems they create look to someone else to solve it without ever accepting responsibility.

Sounds like corporations.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

There is decent money in owning these facilities. They should start their own. Let them try and see if that’s better or worse. I bet it’s better.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

They?

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

The workers protesting and wanting better work conditions. I’ve never worked at Costco, but I think it’s employee owned. I still think the best way to control your work environment is to create it yourself. I encourage these people to start their own facility.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Im having trouble envisioning an economic system where every person is self employed. I could see it working in a simple agrarian or stone-age society possibly.

Interesting suggestion. I find it hard to believe the person who wrote multiple times that supporting unions or expecting workers rights to be honored is fantasy or wishing. What you’re suggesting seem much more far-fetched to me.

Rob Ash
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Rob Ash
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Smug isn’t a currency. They’ll blow through your puny bankroll in 15 minutes.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Rob Ash

I suggested they get a few people together and find financing. Leverage debt, work smart, and build a business. Or complain about work conditions, think you might be able to change a multi billion dollar industry with a union, and never get very far. Perhaps you mistake vision, drive and confidence with smug?

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

We can do both. It’s not and “or” situation.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Fair enough. It’s just hard to do both at the same time. I don’t recommend multitasking and if it was me I’d pour everything into creating a new environment I could control. It’s the path to ownership which yields far better retirement and income. Risky yes, rewarding yes.

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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Of course it is hard to do both at the same time. Seems all productive paths are hard though. Nothing could be more risky than only thinking about yourself, unless you aren’t having children and just dont care much for society.

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago

You need more than that for those needing constant care for daily living. Much more. Keeping some who needs help toileting or eating or has dementia is expensive. So far most private patients have managed by using the capital in their homes they no longer need. Medicaid patient don’t even usually do that. Only the richest can afford that.

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2 years ago
Reply to  Martha

Try 10,000,000/year…

There are 80,000,000 retired and retiring Baby Boomers.

Like my Mother said, “we’re spending your inheritance” (on health care)…

Have a swell day!

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago

People should pay for their own senior health care depleting their inheritance before leaving all the bills for taxpayers, personal responsibility and all

Aaaa1
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Aaaa1
2 years ago

Thank you for your contribution!

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
2 years ago

Does the Humboldt Board of Supervisors have anything to do with this? Is there anything the BoS can do to help this union?

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2 years ago
Reply to  Steve Koch

Is this comment intended to be a joke?

The Board of Supervisors (excepting Madrone) can barely pull up their sox much less help the downtrodden SNF employees… Rex can barely put on his clown costume and apron and stuff his wallet with “gifts” from his friends and constituents and donors and private interest groups…

Private Businesses are not under the legal purview of the BOS.

All the people in the photo above will probably be terminated.

Unions blow.

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Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago

Gotta be trolling. Haha BOS help! Oh that’s a joke even if not intended.

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2 years ago
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These picketers should run for the BOS, since Humboldt County will elect anybody, including the most corrupt people with the largest Conflicts of interest, and total idiots like Mike Wilson…

Salary for BOS members: $100,000/year… plus graft and bribes…

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago

Haha yeah but to be honest that would take more work to run a campaign and choice a new path. Much easier to unionize. I’m sure that most people just aren’t interested in a riskier path that could pay better.

Rimme
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Rimme
2 years ago

Love posts like this. Yknow, somebody’s idea of an “idiot”. Wilson buried his opponent in a landslide — 82% of the vote.

Prometheus
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Prometheus
2 years ago

I’ve always found that staff at extended care facilities are grossly under paid, for the work they do…

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2 years ago
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Agree, but there’s not a lot of choices in Eureka, and the Union is a good indication of how stupid these people actually are to work there…

As help becomes harder to find, wages will rise. Look at any hospital, and there’s many openings, and 1000’s of recruiters trying to make a commission by placing high-paid travelers…

There are actually 10X more recruiters than candidates available.

Wages are higher than ever, but living expenses have risen exponentially…

Hey, move to Phoenix, wages are half as much…

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willow creeker
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2 years ago

My advice: go to Europe, learn from them, like Thomas Jefferson did. Keep the good parts, change the bad. They dont do everything right but they do a few things better than here. Healthcare for one. Mental health- you rarely see a raving crazy person on the streets anywhere in Europe.
Health care is free, taxes are higher but the benefits are tangible. What we are doing here is not working. Look to places where it IS working. It’s not that hard to figure out. Its just the entrenched interests that are fucking us all over.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

The problem with giving away other people’s money is they run out and come for yours

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

The question that fails to be asked is “why are there no mentally ill people on the streets in Europe?” Is it because there is wonderful health care that the mentall ill are happily cooperative in using? Because severe mental illness is not usually happily cooperative with anything because that is the nature of the disease. Or are they given no choice about who controls their lives? Which, frequently to their own disadvantage, the mentally ill in the US do have rights to choose. Out of sight disease does not equate to non existent. It usually equates to sanitized or hidden.

If a tourist visits a resort in Mexico, they do not see much violence or desperate poverty because it is disturbing. That does not mean that violence does not exist in a country with one of the highest murder rates in the world. Most countries are not as open in announcing their problems as people in the US seem to actually enjoy.

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Sunshine707
2 years ago

I’ve been a CNA for 21 yrs, it took me untill now to earn a decent wage and in the blink of an eye all new CNAs earn 18.00 starting out.which is good taking care of your loved ones is not always an easy job . What about your employees who have over 15yrs experience should have gotten a bigger increase . now your new CNAs with zero experience make as much as I do what a shame. Maybe all local care homes should do better for there staff who stay on and put up with all the b.s. and constant workers who come and go and the short staff daily . Incentive for your staff who stay and for your long term employees. Shame on schlomo dirtbag