Taking a Year Off the Farm: As Prices Drop, Some Cannabis Cultivators Are Putting a Pause on Growing–Here’s What You Need to Know

[Image from the California State Fair Website]

Planting season is coming and, as prices plummeted, some farmers are considering taking a break from growing. [Image from the California State Fair Website]

Piece provided by Oxalis, a private company (see below) that has agreed to share their informative articles on the cannabis industry with us occasionally:

There’s been much talk and consideration for taking a year off among canna-businesses. Here’s a snapshot of fallowing considerations that may help you assess this year’s trajectory. Big shout out to right livelihood and the dedication our industry exhibits. As the seasons roll and businesses are assessing timelines and profitability, we’ve heard many considering a year off. We support your decisions, and encourage you to speak with legal counsel and other trusted advisors if a fallow year is something you are considering.

County Considerations
Humboldt County offers tax relief with declared square footage reduction with the use of their Cannabis Cultivation Declaration Form, which must be notarized and submitted to the cannabis planning office prior to May 15, 2022. A reduction in square footage or lighting change does not inactivate or otherwise change the permit, whether an interim or full entitlement permit.

  • Up to 100% square footage reduction, or a partial reduction is possible
  • Mixed-light operations may also reduce lighting to zero and pay outdoor tax rate ($1/Sf as opposed to $2/Sf)

The county allowed for retro-notifications for 2021, but that is not guaranteed. Activities of permittees are monitored by planning staff via aerial surveillance throughout the year, so there is ability to verify declarations, and proof, or inspections may be requested by county staff.

The square footage tax [changed] this year in Humboldt County. (See here for details). Making business decisions in an ever-shifting political and regulatory climate presents challenges, at local, state and federal levels. In this and in all things, business owners are well advised to assume nothing will change…, watch for changes, and speak to your needs as business owners and citizens.

Continued permittee responsibilities
Progress and completion of permit conditions of approval must be pursued, and an extension of conditions due date may be sought. Keep in mind the intention of conditions is to ensure permitted activities are followed through and in compliance with the permitted land use.

Mendocino County has two paths, depending on the status of the permit: application pending, or fully approved.
An applicant may file a Notice of Application Stay (NAS) for the purpose of preventing the denial of an application for a Phase One Permit based on inactivity by the applicant for up to a one-year period. Applicants may stay once.

For properties with permits granted, a Notice of Non-Cultivation, also ceasing cultivation activities for up to one year. Permittees may file a Notice of Non-Cultivation once during a five year period.

During a noticed stay, no commercial cultivation may occur, and the property remains open to inspection. County staff will notify the State of California (DCC) that there is no local authorization to cultivate for the period notified; it is not stated if ancillary allowance (for example, transport licensing), would also be prohibited, or if sales from past year’s crops would be allowed (ie, storage and transfers). Because the local jurisdiction is not revoking authorization, the county informing the state of the stay may be in lue of:
§15035. Notification of Criminal Acts, Civil Judgments, Violations of Labor Standards, and Revocation of a Local License, Permit, or Other Authorization After Licensure.
(d) A licensee shall ensure that the Department is notified in writing of the revocation of a local license, permit, or other authorization, either by mail or electronic mail, within 48 hours of receiving notice of the revocation. The written notification shall include the name of the local agency involved, a written explanation of the proceeding or enforcement action, and the specific violation(s) that led to revocation.
(e) For any notification required under this section, licensees shall use and submit to the Department the Licensee Notification and Request Form, Notifications and Requests to Modify a License, DCC-LIC-027 (Amended 9/21), which is incorporated herein by reference.

We encourage anyone taking this path to communicate with the state agency as well, especially if you wish to retain your state license while fallowing.

The limitation of notifications of stays may feel restrictive; land use review for development projects typically require “vesting” a project, ie, continuation of application, conditions completion, and continuance of operations. This is true of many planning projects, so that the property is being put to the “most productive” and approved/proposed use. It is unclear at this time if taking a year off could occur outside these limitations, with fees or taxes may not stayed, to make responsible land and water use decisions.

For forms and to file either notice, contact Mendocino Cannabis Program (707)234-6680 / cannabisprogram@mendocinocounty.org.

State Considerations
Option 1: Retain Active License
Taking a year off of cultivating does not mean you must terminate, or let expire your active license. Keeping an active license requires paying renewal fees. We’ll discuss the equity fee waiver request for applicants and license holders below.

Continued Active License Responsibilities
Active licenses are subject to the same regulations no matter what the activities conducted within the premise. This includes conducting monthly inventory reconciliations, and being open for inspections during stated open hours (a minimum of 2 hours a day M-F per state regulation).
There is no longer a requirement, or option, to alert the agency of a “temporary closure” of over 30 days.

Benefits of License Retention Without Cultivation
Retaining Genetics

Keeping your license active, even if not growing for the season, will allow you to keep your inventory, including maintaining nursery stock and seeds. This is a huge consideration for farms that started off with legacy seed inventory and plants, especially if you are a single license holder. Once a license is terminated, there is no path to enter your commercially held genetics into a license. The time of allowing pre-existing seed and inventory stock to be entered into METRC is over, and all genetics must now be purchased from a nursery, or transferred from one of the same entity’s other cultivation licenses. Transfer of plants or seeds from cultivation to cultivation not licensed by the same entity is prohibited. This means you cannot transfer your genetics to a neighbor to hold for you into a future license, regardless if they hold a cultivation, nursery, distribution or transfer license.
For multi license holders, an option to move all plants / seeds to one of your own licenses may assist with retention of genetics and lower your overall license cost if surrendering or not renewing a license.

Retaining Inventory
Inventory may also be retained, rather than needing to clear out prior to license termination or expiration. There is no way to discuss this with any certainty as to what the market is going to do in 2022, and the impact that has on business decisions. However, it may be in your interest to keep possession of your inventory, and make sales decisions and oversee quality control with your product in your own control.

Eligibility for Equity Programs
Humboldt County’s Trellis Program and other grant funding may be available to qualifying applicants, which may not be available to those without an active license.

The state’s equity fee waiver program is open to license holders as well as those applying for licenses. The funding is limited to $3 million statewide, on a first come, first served basis, and open to all license types.

Continuation of Licensure for Provisional Licensees
Provisional license holders’ ability to renew will come with more oversight, and new licenses will require significant CEQA compliance, starting in June 2022. On March 31, 2022, the DCC will take their last applications that would be reviewed as provisional, and by the end of June, contiguous licenses will be limited by size for cultivators. Timeline with more details can be found here.
This will make it increasingly difficult to acquire a new license with any of the required land/water use documentation pending. While here, we may remind folks that CDFW, DCC and Humboldt have authority to limit cultivation within impacted watersheds. Holding a license may retain value in the work done to get you this far, and allow for pivot as you see fit.
More information can be found in this DCC fact sheet.

Option 2: Termination of Licensure 
A license can be surrendered, with email notice to DCC at [email protected]. The agency will send instructions for surrendering the license, including directions for clearing out METRC. Alternatively, a license can expire. Without renewal, after 30 days this has the same effect as surrendering.

Requires Reapplication to Grow Again
A new license application and approval would be required prior to resuming cultivation. Consider lead time to get through a new application process, and the subsequent buffer of 60 days to pay for an approved license before it is considered abandoned.
§15012. Incomplete and Abandoned Applications.
(c) If the applicant fails to submit payment of the license fee within 60 calendar days from the date of the request for payment of the license fee, the application shall be deemed abandoned.

New applications take at least 4 months to process, based on review timelines of each stage, but could (and have been) taking much longer. At this time, we would anticipate 8 months. This timing will also kick out reviews past the provisional allowance time frame, likely making the review more complex (which is also true for provisional renewals after July, but that will be explored later).

All Inventory Must Be Cleared Out
Commercially produced cannabis must remain in the supply chain; when a license is no longer active for commercial activities, the cannabis can no longer be in the possession of a non-licensed person or premise. There are exceptions to this in regulations, one is under disaster relief, when the location is noticed to the DCC and approved, requiring the location to be limited access and open to DCC inspections.

The second exception is in §15024.1, which allows a distributor to apply to acquire ALL inventory in a terminated license within 14 days of expiration.

It is unclear at the time of writing if product would be allowed to return to a license if it became active again (within 30 days of expiration, with the payment of penalty and full license fee), or to a new license on the same premise held by the same owner/entity. It is unlikely, based on the agency interpretation of premise and owner and license (all which prohibit cross over in most instances, including not being able to hang drying plants in the “wrong” premise on the same property). The agency has not responded to requests for further information at this time.

All that said, product sales can continue through distribution, and payments can be made to the source entity/person. Receiving payment for product that entered the commercial supply chain by the business/individual who produced the product, is more clearly allowed. This would mean retaining other authorization to do business within California and the local jurisdiction.

Continued Record Retention
Records are inspectable by DCC for up to 7 years, regardless of license status. We have been told that records must remain on the premise, and we asked: what if there is no longer a premise, or access to it (in the case of property sales)? Oddly, again the agency seemed a bit unclear what to advise, but reiterated that records are subject to inspection. Like any business, other agencies may also request to audit or inspect records, so hold on to them. If you would like to review what records are or may be subject to inspection or audit, our On-Site Binder Workbook or review service is available.

Other Reporting and Upkeep Considerations
The following fees and reporting are among some of the items which remain the business’s responsibility unless they are also terminated. Speak with your advisors in each area to determine what might be the best course of action for your business.
Water boards: yearly mitigation, monitoring and reporting, yearly fees

  • CDFW: yearly mitigation, monitoring and reporting, renewal and fees if applicable
  • Taxes: reporting and payment
  • Business license: renewal and fee
  • Entity renewals: renewals as applicable

Business considerations
Yearly minimum state franchise tax board is due for all registered corporation, LLC’s and limited partnerships in California; the minimum franchise tax is $800 at the time of this writing.

Making product donations is a way to ensure cannabis does not go to waste (literally), and support the long history of medical access in California, with no cultivation tax liability if marked by the farm before transfer. Thank you again, Margo Associates, for collaborating on the Quick Guide to Compassionate Use Donations. If you are interested and not sure where to donate, we are collecting contacts for donation programs.

We should note that the above are considerations for taking a temporary furlough.  If you are considering cancelling a license and/or permit, there are a number of other considerations to work through, including loss of land value, inability to apply for permit in certain zones or watersheds (at the time of this writing).

There is also the deep consideration of your skills, lifestyle, and the love of the plant. The work is taxing, the taxes are grueling, and there is nothing quite like working with this healing plant, and working with the land.

Our Resources
Oxalis’s “Unwinding” check list is available to work through the filings to cancel and records to retain, should you choose to take another path and divest from commercial cannabis cultivation.

Oxalis is available to assist with taking the year off, we’ve created a checklist for unwinding a project, and can work with folks to complete divesting. We also have experience in transitioning ownership, and are available in tandem with you and your legal support on various paths, depending on your needs and goals. We are happy to talk this out to assess complexity and compliance considerations.

Your friends at Oxalis,
Holly, Ali, Stephen and Kimberly

 

Focus on the Land

A year off may bring the time and space to focus on the land with mitigation and environmental protections that are best practices and often requirements of permitting and licensing.

Sanctuary Forest continues to lead for our ecosystems and land stewardship.

Check out these great resources written in support of the land:

Land Stewardship Booklet
Written by Kyle Keegan, Technical Drawings by Evan Walbridge, produced by Sanctuary Forest with funding from the California Department of Fish & Wildlife’s Fisheries Restoration Grant Program.

Water Stewardship Booklet
Written by Sanctuary Forest with conservation gardening techniques by Kyle Keegan, produced by Sanctuary Forest with funding from the California Department of Fish & Wildlife’s Fisheries Restoration Grant Program.

Oxalis Integrative Support Services is dedicated to helping the Emerald Triangle’s legacy sun-grown farms, microbusinesses, and family enterprises thrive in the legal cannabis marketplace. We help you to meet your cannabis compliance business needs, create operational efficiencies, and stay abreast of regulation and other important updates. Together we got this!

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2000 Mules
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2000 Mules
2 years ago

the idea of needing the governments permission Strikes me as an uneven and unjust regulatory hurdle.

Mendo government is garbage
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Mendo government is garbage
2 years ago
Reply to  2000 Mules

Wow Mendocino county, that’s a really crappy option. They notify the DCC so you cannot grow? Then your state permit gets revoked?
Mendocino county is so far behind….

Connie DobbsD
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2 years ago

It’s the masks.

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
2 years ago

These rules guarantee the black market’s health

Panthera Onca
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Panthera Onca
2 years ago

So much for the cannabis economy. So much for cannabis jobs. Time to clear cut and sell, just like the old timers.

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago
Reply to  Panthera Onca

And remember:

You are living in the land of the free, so, you too can write a bit of software, flag down some venture capitalists to help you monetize it, sell stock and become a mega billionaire with a pretty useless product or two, and then try to buy up Kauai!

It could happen!

Good luck in all your future endeavors! I already sold out of SoHum in 2017, cause I predicted this whole meltdown…

OH and those jobs at “Cal Poly” HSU, they are low paid, require a rigorous education and experience and 2 letters of recommendation, and half of them aren’t even “State” jobs…

Yeah, a BS and letters of recommendation for a part time job with no benefits for $18/hr…

Cal Poly discriminates against prospective employees by age, gender, ethnicity (no old white men) and sexual orientation/identification and sensitivity to same…

Not a great employer, and a horrible place to try and live…

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
2 years ago

Arcata will boom and probably Mckinleyville and Samoa, too. There will be jobs for plumbers, electricians, yoga instructors, etc, etc. The coast is really beautiful from Clam Beach on North. McKinleyville International Airport 😁 is convenient. There is a year around big colony of seals at the mouth of the Mad River.

The high end for CPH may be to be as good as CalPoly San Luis Obispo.

BTW, had a surgery by a robot a couple months back, very nice guy😁.

Software is eating the world, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago
Reply to  Steve Koch
  • From Southern Humboldt CC Instagram:
  • Just received word from Queen Bushnell that
  • Senator McGuire along with Assemblymember Wood plan to introduce legislation that will eliminate the existing weight-based cannabis cultivation tax and roll California’s state cannabis taxes into a single percentage-based excise tax.
  • Senator plans to introduce a bill which would do the following:
  • • End the cultivation June 30, 2022, and instead roll the separate weight-based regressive tax into the existing percentage-based excise tax that would be delayed.
  • • Require DOF to determine what a single excise tax rate would be in order collect no more than the existing tax framework with the cultivation tax and excise tax separately.
  • • Provide relief for the California Cannabis industry by fully pausing the rollover of the cultivation tax into the excise tax until July 1, 2025.
  • • On July 1, 2025, there will be a 50% implementation of the swap into a single excise tax.
  • • On July 1, 2026, it would be a full implementation of the tax swap into a single excise tax that would be collect no more than the existing tax framework with the cultivation tax and excise tax separately.
  • • This legislation would result in an effective full suspension of the cultivation tax on the industry until 2025 and a partial suspension for an additional year after that until 2026.
  •  
  • This bill will make sure that small growers can focus on growing, remove the regressive weight-based tax in the state, and will provide relief to industry by reducing the cannabis cultivation tax liability fully until 2025 and partially until 2026.
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Farce
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Farce
2 years ago

Umm…the small growers are still getting buried. It provides relief more for the largest operations. Get out!! Everybody run!! Run while you can! You cannot win this game

Locals Only
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Locals Only
2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

☝️☝️☝️ Agreed !

Guest
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2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Farce is right, he is smirking and there are still niches, but as I ran into my neighbors on the Hill, the ones who have been here 25 years at least, we all agreed, why slowly throw the rest of your money away. We plan to stay and continue our homesteading life, hell I might log for a couple years or drive truck. But there is no competing with another 700 acres coming online in Santa Barbara, this year, much less Oregon, Ok, Wash, etc. Sheriff Renner’s quote finally came true,”40 acres in the Central Valley would stop all this nonsense in the hills” not exact quote but the gist.

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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago
Reply to  Steve Koch

OH I seen plenty…

I’m invested in UBER and ASANA, but Cannabis stocks are in the toilet, even though Canopy popped today…

Glad the robot worked out; most medical care will be over the phone through software screening, if you wanna be a doctor, become a pathologist, dermatologist, surgeon or an ER doc… Being a doctor is pretty shit but a computer could do as good a job as a NP or a PA… And don’t go to CPH to take pre-med…

I predict Cal Poly Humboldt will be just as mediocre as SLO, and it’s not a real good career opportunity…

Yes, lots of those Entrepreneurs from Mexico will be around wanting $1000 to fix your, whatever, or to install burned out parts in your heater and then tell you the whole thing is shot, only $14,000 for a new one! Happened to me!

Arcata is not a fit place for anyone to live, with the bums dying in the street, and the cheap heroin, but you all enjoy it, at the State College in the sticks… Even my neighbors want to move to Bandon, but certainly not McKinleyville!

Peace out dog, Humboldt is screwed…

willow creeker
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2 years ago

I think Arcata is a nice town. The politics are too lefty for me, but I like the college town feel. No traffic, nice farmers market and nice isolated beaches nearby. People are coming because it’s a nice quality of life. Minus the bum encampments. I think we’ve got plenty good coming our way in Nohum. You couldn’t pay me to live in Lake county btw.

Get some
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Get some
2 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

From meth to fentanyl not sure which county wins the prize.

shortjohnson
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shortjohnson
2 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

Arcata has a lot of qualifites you wont find in other small coastal towns. THe bum encampments are found in every town with more than 200,000 people. Every one. Ask any cop. Its a new reality in the USA.

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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

Don’t wait around for me to defend Lake County, the County of Lack, I call it…

Everybody, from Morgan Hill to Oregon has focused on the last cheap housing in California (North of Los Banos), buying up every house in the county and turning them into rentals for the Mendocino County commuters who can’t afford the rents in Ukiah and Willits, and to create housing for Santa Rosa (?) where practically nobody can afford to live…

I own a home in Yuba City, and plan to move outta here when it all catches fire, which could be any minute, apparently… YC is the ultimate shithole, but it has hospitals, skilled nursing and dentists… And a lot of real farmers…

The real sleeper here is Middletown, looks just like Garberville, without the crazies in the street and all the dog poop, but has educated and nice residents, few bums, and some decent commerce… Go on up to Hidden Valley Lake, for that “Laurel Canyon” feeling…

It’s hot in Summer, and the whole thing has tried to burn several times, but, we are the right distance from SF, and it’s quiet here, on Mt Konocti…

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Connie DobbsD
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2 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

Normal people are bailing out of Sac and coming here. It’s nice.

waszup
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waszup
2 years ago

u are not invited to the party debbie

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago
Reply to  Panthera Onca

There are investors waiting to buy up land…as soon as it’s being sold for standing timber value. Your permits and broken greenhouses and cabins in the middle of nowhere have zero real estate value. Your standing timber has value and will be liquidated.

shortjohnson
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shortjohnson
2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Not true. I know two folks that sold for over a quarter million to a couple from Sac and a guy from San fran. They are buying if your selling. Just need to know where to market it.

willow creeker
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2 years ago
Reply to  shortjohnson

Over a quarter million? So like 260k? That’s probably more in line with ‘timber prices’ and probably half of what your friends 160 sold for in the last ten years;)

Neil
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Neil
2 years ago

Humboldt real estate is going to take a massive nosedive. Glad i sold up and got out even though I wasn’t involved in weed.

Corporate Cannabis Out Of Humboldt County
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Corporate Cannabis Out Of Humboldt County
2 years ago
Reply to  Neil

Humboldt out in the hills real estate will go down, but residential is still strong, especially in Northern Humboldt. With Humboldt Cal Poly there is a surge of new construction going on to meet the demand. I think Northern Humboldt is in position to do better than ever. Have you seen all the new jobs available at Humboldt Cal Poly? The land prices down south got ridiculous during the green rush. Now the land will become more affordable for normal people. With the black market booming I think the cannabis blow will be felt more by the white market out of town players. Locals will survive. Most have already started blowing up big indoors again. That’s where the money is at! Corporate Cannabis Out Of Humboldt County!!!

lol
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lol
2 years ago

Ahh no. Some folks did get back into indoor start a couple of years ago. Now they are selling equipment and getting back out fast. Indoor is not selling at all and the cost of production is significantly higher.

Jay Beigh
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Jay Beigh
2 years ago
Reply to  lol

//” Indoor is not selling at all…”//

Now that’s a hoot. I can’t grow enough and am expanding as fast as I can.

JB

2000 Mules
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2000 Mules
2 years ago
Reply to  Jay Beigh

Glass House Farms is the model to compete with.

Good luck with all your success.

Jay Beigh
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Jay Beigh
2 years ago
Reply to  2000 Mules

Graham Farrar and Glass House certainly did focus on efficient production rather than telling constant stories to wide eyed investors like other companies did. It worked.

Yes, one of the better models to follow as far as I’m concerned.

JB

2000 Mules
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2000 Mules
2 years ago
Reply to  Jay Beigh

Those green house heating and cooling patents that the former owner of those hothouse greenhouses has were pretty interesting to read about. Leaf Magazine had a good write up a while back.

What!?D
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What!?
2 years ago
Reply to  lol

Sounds like you need to grow better indoor.

lol
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lol
2 years ago

I agree on the real estate situation. With the google data cabel/center, Humboldt CalPoly, climate change, and US population growth, I think Northern Humboldt is going to remain to expensive for most locals to purchase homes in, at least for awhile.

If we realy did killour cannabis industry by failing to protect and promote small farms, then only Arcata, with the university as a life presever is going remain. The rest of Humboldt will become a ghost county, or very, very poor.

Gangle mangle
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Gangle mangle
2 years ago
Reply to  lol

Humboldt county has long been, and most certainly remains “very, very poor.”

lol
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lol
2 years ago
Reply to  Gangle mangle

Your’e right. I should have written “very, very much poorer”.

lol
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lol
2 years ago

The black market is about as far from booming as ever. You are extremely out of touch.

Legallettuce
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2 years ago
Reply to  lol

Where ya gettin your info from a couch. The real world is non legal and dominates 70% of the weed industry just in California.

fhgm
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fhgm
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

You cant possibly be trying to claim that the black market is doing well. Nothing is selling. Sure it represents most of the market, that does not mean it’s doing well.

Legallettuce
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2 years ago
Reply to  fhgm

You can’t possibly be claiming the Traditional Market ain’t booming. It is, I just got back from traveling. Not sure who you are being manipulated by but not having issues moving product. Prices are the same as they been the past few years as well. Maybe your buyers bought mine and your quality ain’t as good as who you are competing against.

I also was down in LA, Long Beach and Palm Springs they seemed to not have any weed. So this oversupply bullshit is from what group cause I ain’t the only one who’s not seeing this oversupply spewage out in the real world.

lol
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lol
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Yeah, the entire community must be wrong and you’re right.

Legallettuce
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2 years ago
Reply to  lol

The people I speak to in the community are fine. The only ones having issues are the ones that went legal. So which community do you speak of cause mine stretches south of the 36 from Garberville to Horse Mountain and includes large swaths around Hyampom and Trinidad.

shortjohnson
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shortjohnson
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Or the ones sitting and waiting for buyers. If your proactive there are buyers out there for decent product, But you need to be a sales man and not a couch potatoe waiting for your 2012connection to call.

lol
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lol
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Considering the going rate is $300 right now, you could make a fortune brokering. Or maybe you are competently full of shit.

Legallettuce
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2 years ago
Reply to  lol

Yea we seen what that weed looks ya’ll been talk’in about. Even heard they just wet trimming and getting it out at whatever price. You get what you pay for is all I will say and myself and the people I know grow really dank ass weed. Now, ya’ll are competing with us and being squeezed by the corporate indoor market. The business created by medical where buyers come to a location to check samples or handing out pound samples is over. Trying to make weed hubs only allowed a buyers advantage cause the people ya’ll had moving didn’t grow, no pride in product just materiel to them.
Back to the basics which is the way my community knows best.

My community ain’t stopping growing weed and we are growing 10x more from seed than last year. Cannabis sucks, grow weed, free the plant!!

Hate to break it ya
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Hate to break it ya
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

What happens in 3-5 years when there is a legal recreational dispensary on almost every corner in America?.. When Texas, Ny, Ohio, etc no longer need herb imported and there are store choices like we have in eureka and Arcata everywhere. You think the market will be booming in the hills or Ca then? When all the customers of today no longer need to leave their house to get professional packaged lab tested products of all sorts and can get it delivered right to their door. The only reason the price was what it was due to the risk involved. That is going away every day and with it go profits. It’s a product just like any other and the margins will be no different then anything else. Economics of scale plain and simple.
Side note. Most of the outdoor in Humboldt of today is so regular and does not represent what the market looks at as top shelf. That’s over. Indoor cannabis will be 8-900$ a pound by 2023 in CA so what will outdoor be. Ask Oregon they know.

Legallettuce
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2 years ago

lol, you think we don’t operate in other states already. You have no comprehension of the Traditional Market and how well it’s already geared up with outlets in NY, TX and Ohio. We been grow’in in their backyards for decades.

P.S. Everyone forgets to mention PA. Huge marijuana smoking state.

waszup
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waszup
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

hmm

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Redwood Dan.
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Redwood Dan.
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

There is machine trimmed greenhouse in Palm Springs by the truck load. 200-400 per unit.

willow creeker
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2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Yes LL if you have the time to be a farmer and a distributor you are probably doing ok. Most people want to be ‘on the farm’ and not driving their product all over the country. Risky, and out of the safety bubble that we enjoy here.
What’s NOT happening anymore, is the buyers are not coming here (a few bargain hunters maybe) That’s what’s really different. I think it’s not likely to change.

Legallettuce
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2 years ago
Reply to  willow creeker

Exactly the issue. Well Willow someone’s gonna have to get off the hill if ya wanna move product nowadays. Just tryin to set this oversupply bullshit to rest cause that is not why our product ain’t moving.

waszup
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waszup
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

fishy.. but consistent.

Long Time Triangle Resident
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Long Time Triangle Resident
2 years ago
Reply to  fhgm

The only reason things are sitting is if they are of mediocre quality . Aaa is flying off the shelf and it certainly isn’t @ 300

Neverlayup
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Neverlayup
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

That was good! Black market is dominating oklahoma already!

fhgm
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fhgm
2 years ago
Reply to  Neverlayup

The black market will dominate the legal market just about anywhere, that doesnt mean its doing well. Look at our local black market right now. Its not selling any better than legal. Im sure the black market in oklahoma is doing ok by talking sales from our black market growers.

North westCertain license plate out of thousands c
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North westCertain license plate out of thousands c
2 years ago
Reply to  Neverlayup

I can get &100.00 pounds from Oregon all day long.

Legallettuce
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2 years ago

Shake shouldn’t cost more than that.

Neverlayup
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Neverlayup
2 years ago

Your bottom feeding for 100$ units!

Legallettuce
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2 years ago
Reply to  Neverlayup

We refer to them as vertically integrated multi- state operating privately funded illicit operators. VIMSOPFIO’s is their symbol which is listed on the Main Street USA exchange, lol. Up 25% this year, lol

Neverlayup
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Neverlayup
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Nice work! Glad to hear someone is winning!

Cartel Grows Suck
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Cartel Grows Suck
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Legal, You are getting more and more abusive with your know it all attitude. You should take it down a notch.

Legallettuce
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2 years ago

I don’t believe I work for you. So, fair warning, It’s gonna get worse!

Corporate Cannabis Out Of Humboldt County
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Corporate Cannabis Out Of Humboldt County
2 years ago

Look who’s district is doing the best. The Northern district. Steve Madrone’s district. He’s the only supervisor with a booming economy in his district. Rex Bohn is trying to get the Ming Tree fake rancher guy elected in the Northern District. We can’t let this happen. Come out and show your support for Steve Madrone. He was the only guy with the balls to vote against giving the 4 largest Corporate Cannabis grows in Humboldt who didn’t pay their taxes. 80% of small local craft farms paid their cannabis taxes this year, but the 4 largest didn’t. Now those guys are off the hook and they can keep profiting off our name and brand without any money going to our local economy. Steve Madrone IMO is the ONLY supervisor who is honest and actually cares about the people in his district. Steve Madrone is a good guy who deserves to stay in office. If we let the fake rancher in it will be Rex Bohn & Michelle Bushnell redux. Let that crap stay in Southern Humboldt. We got this in Northern Humboldt with Madrone leading the way!
Corporate Cannabis Out Of Humboldt County!!

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fhgm
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fhgm
2 years ago

I was a bit put off by him running as “sungnome madrone” originally. His record has won me over.

Actually
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Actually
2 years ago
Reply to  fhgm

Why be put off by his real name?

Earl
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Earl
2 years ago
Reply to  Actually

Try Steve Brewer

Madder Rose
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Madder Rose
2 years ago

He was against the wind project; I would never vote for an “environmentalist” against creating clean energy and local jobs.

fhgm
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fhgm
2 years ago
Reply to  Madder Rose

Not all wind projects are clean. The one you are referring to had major environmental issues. It was not goin to be carbon neural in it’s entire lifespan. It wasn’t clean engery and it was a very small number of potentual jobs.

Bryan
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Bryan
2 years ago
Reply to  fhgm

I guess drilling new frackin wells every three years is cleaner huh?

lol
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lol
2 years ago
Reply to  Bryan

Its is not and it not the alternative. That’s a false choice fallacy.

waszup
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waszup
2 years ago
Reply to  Madder Rose

that project sucked

waszup
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waszup
2 years ago

steve is a good fellow

Xebeche
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Xebeche
2 years ago

Dream on. No help for “normal” people.

Local
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Local
2 years ago

The black market is not booming…..if it was all the legal farms wouldn’t be complaining cause they sell everything they can on the black market. Deeeeeeer. Indoor isn’t booming. Nothing is “booming”. Everyone is trying to sell their assets and move to okc or another area that is closer to where it’s not a flooded market…

fhgm
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fhgm
2 years ago
Reply to  Local

Right. Its funny how people looking from their couches like Legallettuce have no clue about how our markets work.

Jay Beigh
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2 years ago
Reply to  Local

Depends I guess on your definition of “booming”.

In CA legal, indoor is continuing to increase market share, while it’s price has held up quite well compared to outdoor/greenhouse.

An exceptional and efficient operator can currently pull out a profit/lb => the total wholesale price of most outdoor/greenhouse ($3-500/lb) and sell all they can grow, year around.

At very near a lb of trimmed bud per year per sf of licensed canopy (not facility, canopy) a properly located and well run small CA indoor license (10,000sf) borders on a year round gold mine.

An inefficient operation in Oakland/LA/Sacramento? — not so much.

JB

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Just Sayin
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Just Sayin
2 years ago

Lmfao, go be a mouthpiece for a failing university somewhere else! Being a poly will only further destroy Arcata! It’s already a wasteland with no jobs. The school is going to employ people to spend their hard earned money back in tuition lmfao….. the idea of more useless degrees and more people with them somehow being of benefit to this area is comical at best.

Neil
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2 years ago

We shall see. What I do know is that I made a tidy profit on my house. Moved to another state with no income tax , lots of jobs for working men, good schools , great amenities and fantastic healthcare services for families ( I couldn’t even get a gp in Humboldt despite paying 1300 a month for healthcare)which is a far cry from Humboldt. I couldn’t be happier. My neighbors are now honest nice people instead of vapid dishonest dope growers who scam the welfare system.

Lack of quality
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Lack of quality
2 years ago
Reply to  Neil

Yep our healthcare is joke. Seeing a quality doctor in our area requires surgical precision and personal phone numbers… or a short 3-6 months if you can get in while you wither away… but cal poly will change all that haven’t you heard.

willow creeker
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2 years ago
Reply to  Neil

Everyone ends up where they belong. I’m glad certain types are thinning out of humboldt county also.

Festus Haggins
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Festus Haggins
2 years ago
Reply to  Neil

I was laughing when the east coasters were buying up 40 acre plots on a brush hillside with no water in the middle of nowhere for $300,000. Now everyone is fleeing and think they will sell for the same $$. Hahaha.

eyeheartD
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2 years ago
Reply to  Festus Haggins

Yay maybe I can stop renting in ultra expensive Sonoma County and actually own some land up there in the not-too-distant future.

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Gangle mangle
2 years ago
Reply to  eyeheart

Health care here is exceptionally easy to access and the quality (including the hospitals) is outstanding.

Locals Only
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Locals Only
2 years ago
Reply to  Gangle mangle

Hahaha 😝

Connie DobbsD
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2 years ago
Reply to  eyeheart

California has the strangest economic refugees. They all turn up with bags of money.

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago
Reply to  Festus Haggins

But…but it’s real estate! How can real estate possibly go down?! Derp…derp

shortjohnson
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shortjohnson
2 years ago
Reply to  Neil

This is true but buyers still exist and even better folks than back in 2010. Thank god.

Gazoo
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Gazoo
2 years ago

I got out of the weed game three years ago, after many many years of growing selling and being in the weed game I decided to go the other route. I started my own business (again) all the headaches and growing pains went away, I make a great living making my own schedule and choosing the work I do. I wouldn’t change a thing today.
Never in a million years did I think I’d get out of growing weed but when all the parties involved reach out and take a piece of your pie and you get to settle with the crumbs that are left. I’m outtie 5 G. ✌🏽
Plus buying pounds to smoke at 150-300 for class a buds. I’m a consumer by all means. 💨💨💨💨💨

lol
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lol
2 years ago
Reply to  Gazoo

Cool story bro.

Original Big Bud Train Wreck
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Original Big Bud Train Wreck
2 years ago

“The time of allowing pre-existing seed and inventory stock to be entered into METRC is over, and all genetics must now be purchased from a nursery, or transferred from one of the same entity’s other cultivation licenses. Transfer of plants or seeds from cultivation to cultivation not licensed by the same entity is prohibited. This means you cannot transfer your genetics to a neighbor to hold for you into a future license, regardless if they hold a cultivation, nursery, distribution or transfer license. ”

The Orwellian “rules” defy logic, and disrespect nature and our God-given right to enjoy it.

😭

What a DISASTER.

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago

Yeah- this is also the beginning of the corporate seizure of genetic lines. Congratulations for all those who voted for “legalization”! You who are “compliant” are now “free”…

shortjohnson
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shortjohnson
2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

This has been my concern for 15 years,

Corporate Cannabis Out Of Humboldt County
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Corporate Cannabis Out Of Humboldt County
2 years ago

Here’s a serious question. If the taxes for last season are not required now, but 80% of the small farmers already paid their taxes, does that mean those 80% that paid are now due a refund? Isn’t that only fair since the 4 largest grows don’t have to pay 🤔

Corporate Cannabis Out Of Humboldt County
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Corporate Cannabis Out Of Humboldt County
2 years ago

If those 80% are now legally due for a refund from the county and the county has to pay that money back could that lead to bankrupting our local budget???? 🤔

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Xebeche
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Xebeche
2 years ago

Dream on. If the county has their hands on the money, it’s gone

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago
Reply to  Xebeche

At least you should feel good that it was used to give raises to the same government workers who will be handling the paperwork that legally justifies them forcing your compliance when they abate, fine and eventually evict you…Good job!

Connie DobbsD
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2 years ago

New to California, are you?

Willow
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Willow
2 years ago

Is there a reason why nobody is naming the four biggest grows? Let’s hear the names!

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago
Reply to  Willow

I think it’s time to just start spitballing out some contenders….Honeydew Farms, Emerald Family, etc. Pretty much anybody that Kym has run a glowing promo article about. But yeah everything here is dwarfed by what’s happening out there where the real crush is going to destroy us….https://www.greenhousegrower.com/crops/cannabis/cannabis-top-20-north-americas-largest-commercial-grows/

Legallettuce
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2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Why you hate like that? Taking out of context a business operation and spinning a negative conantations against assholes while insinuating colaboration towards the very person whose site you are using to make that point.

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

not hate…it’s true

Legallettuce
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2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

It’s snarky towards Kym and the correlation you’re using is a stretch at best. I have much respect for ya just don’t understand the jabs. I am thankful we got someone in our community that provides this platform.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Agreed.

Holly
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Holly
2 years ago
Reply to  Willow

ask the tax collector’s office. 🙂

Sindee
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Sindee
2 years ago

Just a thought from an ol lady. I kinda saw the end of Cannabis economy coming when we got what we wanted. When cannabis became legal then non growers could grow there own plants. So backyards every where can grow there own. Most of Humboldt is actuality not good for growing Cannabis, It is however good for hiding the growing of cannabis. Take the Central Valley, Wow what a great place to grow. Or I may know nothing!

dogglife
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2 years ago
Reply to  Sindee

The market isn’t crashing from 6 plant grow your own gardens. Most of those people already grew their own. Most of Humboldt might not be good for growing cannabis commercially due to remoteness and lack of infrastructure but the weather/sunlight produces amazing weed. The central valley has struggled so far. Pollution from large scale conventional AG is causing issues for cannabis production. Maybe they will figure it out but right now the best bud comes out of the triangle, Grass Valley and the Central Coast. That is unless you prefer salty chemical fertilizer high carbon footprint weed that tastes like a band-aid then you can grow indoor anywhere that has a connection to the power grid.

thatguyinarcata
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2 years ago
Reply to  Sindee

The central.valley is a terrible place to grow cannabis. Much too hot most of the year.

Now the coastal valleys from south of the bay down to Santa Barbara are quite good

Xebeche
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Xebeche
2 years ago

Too many sentences that say “we cannot tell with certaincy….” Too many loop holes. Way too confusing. No clarity. Need a law degree to understand, and even then you won’t know for sure until the ‘enforcer’ shows up to cite you.

Legallettuce
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2 years ago

Yep, quit growing, the best advice for legal weed. Shit weed anyway can’t compete with the real growers in LA. Santa Cruz and the valley plus totally getting your asses kicked by the Traditional Market. Bye!

Thanks for whinning at the board of supervisors so your corporate overlords can get a tax break. Now they can use the money to expand while you learn another trade like washing their cars or maybe you can flip burgers at McDonald’s.

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Farce
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2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

True. Weird how the Four Biggest Farms and their consultants talked all the little people into crying up a river for them. Everybody got on board- North Coast Journal even ran a cover story. But nobody ever pushed on the distinction between tax relief for the little guy and tax forgiveness for the Four Biggest Farms. What a swindle! The small permit people got hoodwinked and used yet again!!

Guess
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Guess
2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Exactly! What a crock I didn’t know they didn’t pay wtf

Willow
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Willow
2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Who are “the 4 biggest farms”?

Legallettuce
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2 years ago
Reply to  Willow

Ask Rex and Bushnell they know.

Legallettuce
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2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

100%, I just don’t understand how they did not see they were being used. Oh well they should of never gone legal in the first place. Back to doin what we do best which is grow weed for the masses. Cannabis sucks!!!

lol
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lol
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

The legal market is devastated BECAUSE the black market had tanked. Legal farms sell to the black market. The only thing our black market has kicked ass at this year is production.

Legallettuce
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2 years ago
Reply to  lol

Sounds like it’s really shitty weed to me if ya gotta drop your prices on the Traditional Market side. Traditional Market hasn’t tanked. It gained back 20% of the California market share from the legal side in just the last six months. It took 9% from Michigan like I predicted in November. Billions of dollars for a high priced product are sold monthly. The legal side of the market is proving the nations thirst for weed and it’s in the billions!!!!!! You think we grew to much weed vs consumption in this state are ya fuck’in kidding me, lol. How do you explain the billions in sales which is only a quarter of the industry total sales. I know, I know, we grew to much, lol, guess it’s nicer than saying your weed sucks.

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Agreed. Everybody grew too much shitty weed.. My research base is mostly the Northeast- NYC and New England. AAA still very much desired and moves fast at decent prices. The market still exists. Just not for people who want to grow lots of average weed and sell it to a distributor from their house in Humboldt and live luxuriously. THAT is over

Too little too late
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Too little too late
2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

The amount of Canadian and Maine grown aaa in ny for 5-700$ a lb would make most locals head spin. Everybody here loves to think that big bad humboldt is the almighty producer and the nation needs our supply and our name will carry us through. Spoiler alert. Regular joes in Ny and the whole east coast don’t give a damn about humboldt. They care about price and can they smoke it to get high. Also has anyone looked at a map of legal states lately nation wide and looked at the numbers? Mass, MI, IL, NJ, MA, Conn, Ve, Vi. Places like Mass are a 100% legal now with great access and tons of shops with big brands names on every highway going in and out. Nobody in those states needs illegal bush weed anymore when they can get the baskin and Robbins experience and with customer reward programs. Just wait til ny, Texas, and few others like Florida and ga go full blown and then the game is over unless you are legal and tied into corporate cannabis.

Legallettuce
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2 years ago

//Canadian and Maine grown aaa//

Yep, cannabis powerhouses it’s surely over now, lol.

Ummmm, everyone talks about the cannabis brand, name one, c’mon, lol. Humboldt is a brand and recognized as the finest weed grown. Still I bet you ain’t named one cannabis brand yet Humboldt is now stuck in your head. Game was over for cannabis brands long ago just glad the corporate idiots were prevented from destroying the Humboldt brand in the legal cannabis space.

Legallettuce
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2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Agreed, no pride in the work and it shows.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Incredible amount of mid to low quality product grown this last year. I’ve had a hard time finding AAA-AA+ this fall in Trinity. Second round deps were terrible. I feel it has to do with the fires and smoke along with the normal QC issues.

Legallettuce
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2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

QC is what I see and this inherent rush to flower. Not sure how smoke does in a greenhouse. I know my outdoor thrives in the smoke provided we ain’t close . Any grows within close proximity either get burned in the fire or we destroy cause recovery work never pays.

eelparadise
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eelparadise
2 years ago

remember when we just put a seed in the ground
and waited for October to come around?

Trashman
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Trashman
2 years ago

Take a century off.

Locals Only
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Locals Only
2 years ago

So are we to conclude from the article that if you are just now applying for state permit, the odds are that it won’t be reviewed before the March 31st deadline? And that if you are provisional and don’t become annual before that date you lose your place in line ?

Holly
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Holly
2 years ago
Reply to  Locals Only

If you apply now, you will not be reviewed in full before March 31st, but that is the deadline for provisional license apps to be turned in. That portion is especially complex.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Locals Only

Provisionals are mostly ok if you can show evidence of moving forward with CEQA. I believe CDFW compliance needs to be completed and that’s an issue locally as they haven’t been signing all LSAAs until your CEQA is done. The main provisional problem coming soon is if you have sq ft over limits on adjoining parcels. This was to target the larger players stacking provisionals.

Got logic ?
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Got logic ?
2 years ago
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Bottomline
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Bottomline
2 years ago

The legal grows over did it then they flooded the black market with product.

Gavin'sComb
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Gavin'sComb
2 years ago

You’re done. You voted yourselves out of business. For those of you who can’t connect the dots, dial 1-800 rentAbrain.

waszup
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waszup
2 years ago
Reply to  Gavin'sComb

too many numbers

Homesteader_Surfer_BacktotheLander
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Homesteader_Surfer_BacktotheLander
2 years ago
Reply to  waszup

911?

Traitors
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Traitors
2 years ago

Now stop the ass hats in Oregon from bringing their stuff down here passing it off as Humboldt.

waszup
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waszup
2 years ago
Reply to  Traitors

like park at clam beach and stop trucks heading south? im on it.

moviedad
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moviedad
2 years ago
Reply to  waszup

Remember the fruit-stops in the 6o’s?

Traitors
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Traitors
2 years ago

Our own community members went up to Oregon, blew it up and brought it down here and sank us!

waszup
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waszup
2 years ago
Reply to  Traitors

People in Oregon couldnt figure out how to grow weed without our super special grow Daddies?

Homesteader_Surfer_BacktotheLander
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Homesteader_Surfer_BacktotheLander
2 years ago
Reply to  waszup

Oregon has always been growing heavy duty, they just took the corporate mentality to heart.

Go big before the crash.