Testing?… Testing?… COVID Press Conference Delves Into Who Should Test, How Often

The Humboldt County COVID-19 Joint Information Center hosted a virtual news conference to provide an update on the county’s pandemic response, including the recent run on testing supplies, and answer questions from local media. Panelists included Public Health Director Sofia Pereira and County Health Officer Dr. Ian Hoffman.

For this type of press conference, the Joint Information Center (JIC) moderates the question and answer exchange in a zoom meeting, where local media presents questions and follow-ups to local officials who give their responses in real time.  The resulting video, called a Virtual Press Conference, is then posted to the county’s COVID-19 YouTube channel at the end of the day. 

Here are some of the main points covered in the January 19th Virtual Press Conference, with a summary of answers from the participants. Due to technological failure, the press conference video and resulting transcript are incomplete, ending abruptly in the first half of the press conference. 

El video del 19 de enero de preguntas y respuestas de medios con el Dr. Ian Hoffman, que muestra subtítulos disponibles en español, usando las opciones del menú de YouTube y seleccionando ‘auto-subtítulos’ y luego seleccionando un idioma.

My name is Christine Messinger, welcome to the December 2st COVID-19 virtual news conference. I’m one of the public information officers for the COVID-19 Joint Information Center and today we are joined by Humboldt County Health Director Sofia Pereira and Humboldt County Health Officer Dr Ian Hoffman. Thank you for being here.

Director Pereira, can you please provide us with some opening comments?

Director Pereira:  Yeah, thanks, Christine. Good Afternoon, everyone. So, we called this presser together because we’ve been getting lots of calls about testing. So as of the beginning of the year, the call center has answered a total of 1,422 calls and emails and a total of 59,754 since the call center opened in March 2020. Now, not all of these in the past few weeks have been about testing, but with the surge and really just exponential increase in the use of testing – both antigen,…home rapid tests, and PCR – at our Optum sites. 

For example, we just thought it was really important to respond to the questions that we’re getting around testing. So, I’m going to turn it over to Dr. Hoffman, to continue with opening remarks.

1 in 30 secs in:

Dr. Hoffman: Thanks, Sophia. Thanks everyone for being here today on short notice. Yeah, a couple quick messages, and then we’ll get into the questions. So, as Sophia was mentioning, really a focus in this phase of the pandemic on testing as one of the primary tools, because we know that Omicron is fast moving, it’s highly contagious, and it’s definitely here based on the numbers – widespread. 

So, you know, I think the big take-home is, if you’re having trouble finding supplies, know that you’re not alone. This is happening everywhere. But if we need to prioritize, we should really be prioritizing those who are sick, to find out if they have…COVID, or some other colds that are certainly circulating in our community right now.

We, everyone, is working hard across the country and the state here locally to get out any tests that are available. The federal government just opened up a website to allow for each household to order four tests, and that’s something that I would encourage everyone to go utilize immediately, and that’s at COVIDtest.gov and then many of our community can access testing at school sites, through you know, kids who are at schools. If their schools are doing testing, some have been given at-home tests, and so those can be utilized for those students who receive the tests, and there’s also a way to report those. Through CDPH, has a website, and the instructions should have been given by the schools to the families who were given those tests from their schools. 

So you know, just another recognition we’re certainly not going to have enough tests to get through the Omicron surge. It is overwhelming all testing across the board, so we might have to prioritize some cuts in the coming weeks.

I think the other main piece that needs to be focused on in this surge is masking. You know, we know that there is a lot more spread with this, so increasing your mask usage and increasing your quality of a mask is something that will certainly help protect you. So, CDPH recently put out update to their ‘get the most out of masking’ web page, which is a great one, and it really shows you sort of the quality and the levels, and you know, we have a wide variety here that you can see sort of what different options are, you know…

Certainly the kind of mask that Sophia has, like an N95 or a KN95 are the best. A surgical mask like I have, with a, if needed, a double mask to improve the fit, to make it tighter fit, would be a good option. But if you only have a cloth mask, then that certainly is something that you should use. it will still offer some protection. it’s just not as good as other masks that are widely available now, so get the most out of masking, and it certainly will help us get through this current surge. 

The vaccination still continues to be the most effective tool against all forms of the coronavirus COVID-19, so you know, definitely encourage people to get their primary series if they haven’t, to finish their primary series if they started it but haven’t finished it yet, and to get boosted if you are eligible. The numbers are still very strong that those who are fully vaccinated and/or boosted have much much lower hospitalization risk and much, much lower risk of death.

And lastly, just a touch on our numbers for the last few weeks and the numbers that you’ll probably see this week, and potentially over the coming weeks. They are getting quite high as we expected. Our current case rate for 100,000 is around 150 per hundred thousand. That’s about double of what it was last week when we had a press conference. We were seeing about anywhere from 50 to 70 at that time, and these numbers are, you know, we should recognize that the the numbers we report daily – the daily case counts – are really kind of more of a rolling average. They’re not always the cases we’ve had in the last 24 or 48 or even 72 hours, so those are just one snapshot, which is why we like to look at that trend over time, of the seven day average. But the trend is clearly well on the upswing, and I think we’re still not at the peak yet. We’re probably at least a week or two away from that peak. 

So, keep an eye on those trends because when they start coming down you know we’ll still probably have another week or two on the other side of the peak, as it comes down from very high numbers. So that’s all I had for updates, and I’ll turn it over to Christine for questions. Thank you.

JIC:  Thank you, Dr. Hoffman. August, do you have a question for the panel? 

7 mins in:

The Lumberjack: Yes, I do. My question was is Humboldt County doing anything to monitor the cases of post-COVID symptoms or long COVID as we have you know, a huge amount of recovered people?

Dr. Hoffman: Thanks, August. Great question. So long-COVID or, you know, post-COVID infection symptoms are something that are well-recognized and being studied. Ongoing studies around them, not really as much of a public health realm, though, as in the medical realm. So certainly something that, you know, we will continue to watch and I think there’s a lot of questions still about the, each variant, and what will happen with long COVID there, but no, no answers as of yet. 

JIC:  Do you have a follow-up, August, or is that good?

8 mins in:

The Lumberjack:  My question was, we have stats on the hospitalizations in Humboldt County, we have stats on the deaths in Humboldt County – is there any plan, or ongoing effort to monitor the instances of long COVID within Humboldt County?

Dr. Hoffman: Yeah, so again we–Public Health–does not follow long COVID. It’s really more of a something in the medical community at large, less of a… it’s less of a Public Health issue.

JIC:  Thank you. Ryan, do you have a question? 

9 mins in:

Redheaded Blackbelt: Yes, thank you. In regard to the COVID surge we’re experiencing right now, it’s seriously impacting local businesses as you know, it’s exacerbating the pre-existing hospital staffing crisis, you know, and so creating staffing shortages really across all sectors of the community – it’s really a huge problem for small business owners to cope with. So, in light of testing, I wanted to ask you if you could talk a little bit about testing, using the rapid tests as a means of infection control, as opposed to testing for identification of cases after an exposure? And maybe how testing in this way – as a method of exposure control and prevention – may benefit local businesses?

Dr. Hoffman: Yeah, great question, Ryan. So, you know, when we have plentiful supply of those rapid tests, they can be quite useful to slow the spread by identifying people quickly and rapidly in a setting where they might spread it to others.

So you know,if if we say could test everyone in a workplace weekly or twice a week or in a setting where people are gathering together and all those people who are entering take a test within 24 hours or so before they enter that large gathering, it can really catch cases that might have otherwise spread in those environments. So, that’s really the method of infection prevention – is catching people early and excluding them, isolating them from those potential larger groups. 

And for staffing, as you’re asking about, it will help preserve your staffing. Of course, that is dependent on large quantities of these tests being available, which right now, given the, just the sheer number of, the volume of cases we’re seeing everywhere, they have become extraordinarily strained. So, what I was suggesting in the beginning is if we are under a circumstance where there are not enough tests, we would really want to identify those people who are more likely to be positive – those who have symptoms.

You know, again, these are individual decisions that are tough to make with limited resources. We’ve had to do this many times throughout the pandemic, you know, including early on with PCR testing. You know, even some places had to decide and ration out their ventilators in certain circumstances where there weren’t enough. So, these are not easy decisions, but  certainly something that people might face in the coming weeks as the testing becomes potentially even more limited than it is right now. 

JIC: Ryan, do you have a follow-up question?

12 mins 15 secs in: 

RHBB: Thank you, Yes. I’d just like to ask I guess my question would be, as a follow-up, if you have any you know points for best practices for local business owners in terms of testing staff – maybe in a scenario where rapid tests are in stock for that business they have a back back stock or whatever, and then for businesses who don’t have access – best practices for staff? Thank you. 

Dr. Hoffman:  Yeah, so again, in an unlimited circumstance – if there are plentiful rapid antigen tests – you know, doing a weekly test of everyone. And then if you identify a positive, doing either contact tracing, or, we’re now really sort of moving towards anyone who had potential exposure, so anyone in that group who is in the same space as that person could just get tested again, if they had that exposure, would be the best way to slow slow this thing down, and utilize those plentiful resources.

If they are limited, you would want to utilize those for your workers who were symptomatic, so that you could identify a positive, exclude them, and even potentially bring them back, you know earlier, if they were on a five-day isolation, have the ability to get out early from that. 

Or, people who might have had a high exposure, you could get them out of quarantine earlier on day five with that test. So, different scenarios just depend on, again, the limit, the availability and how many tests are accessible to that business.

JIC: Thank you, Christina, do you have a question? 

13 mins 45 secs in:

Redwood News: Yes, my question is, so, as HSU is back on campus as of yesterday, and they chose to go back on campus instead of other Cal States that chose to go virtual for the first few weeks since – you did mention that the peak is about to hit in a week or so – would you suggest for HSU to go virtual during those few weeks? or what would you say about that?

Dr. Hoffman: You know, it’s really a decision that’s up to each individual administration. We, as Public Health, have continued to offer, you know, clear guidance on how to make public spaces safe, which includes things like masking, distancing, testing, vaccinations – they are doing all of those things at HSU, and we have been in communication with them. So, I think the ultimate decision is up to them. If we make any recommendations to limit large gatherings, it would be kind of across the board – it wouldn’t just be one specific sector. 

JIC: Christina, do you have a follow-up question? 

15 mins 15 secs in:

RN: Yes, thank you for that answer. It was more, a little bit more about masks. I know you mentioned it earlier, but for those that can’t get an N95 mask, would you suggest double masking ?

Hoffman: No, not with a N95. An N95 should be sufficient on its own, but other masks like you know, a surgical mask or a double cloth flare mask. There’s one exception to that which is if you have an a vented mask with a valve on it that’s a one-way valve, then you should really have another mask on top of that, too, because those vents allow you- they protect the person wearing it, but they’re not protecting anyone around them. 

So that would be the one exception to some N95s having a vent and some valves are not two-way, they don’t allow all of the exhalation to escape. so it can get a little tricky to evaluate those, but in general, if you have a valve on a mask, it’s good to put another cloth layer on top of that.

JIC: Isabella, do you have a question?

16 mins 30 secs in:

Times-Standard: I do, thank you. So there have been 2806 cases of COVID since the beginning of the year. Is there any inclination by county health officials to lock down the county again? And Dr. Hoffman sort of touched on this, but how bad of a year are health officials really expecting in the wake of this kind of start taking into consideration, of course, the severity of COVID versus previous, or, the severity of Omicron versus previous variants?

 The Humboldt County COVID-19 dashboard reflects a significant surge coinciding with the start of the year, in 2022.

The Humboldt County COVID-19 dashboard reflects a significant surge in positive tests coinciding with the start of the year, in 2022.

Hoffman: So we have no plans locally in Humboldt County to deviate from recommendations from the CDP and CDPH. We are currently continuing to review our local case count, our local hospitalizations and deaths and make determinations based on that local data if we need to do things any stricter here. 

I’ll just say currently in the hospital situation, you know, while the numbers are still fairly high it does look like we are seeing less severity overall.

However we are also seeing some pretty severe cases. So, not clear if that’s still Delta that’s out there circulating in addition to Omicron, or you know certainly there are some severe cases of Omicron as well, so we’ll continue to watch the data, but for now no plans to change any local policies

[Video ends abruptly at 17 mins 53 secs – cutting off approximately 22 minutes of Q & A dialogue]  

Community members with questions or concerns are encouraged to call 1-707-441-5000 for additional information.  

View the Data Dashboard online at humboldtgov.org/dashboard, or go to humboldtgov.org/DashboardArchives to download data from a previous time. 

For the most recent COVID-19 information, visit cdc.gov or cdph.ca.gov. Local information is available at humboldtgov.org or by contacting [email protected] 

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The Humboldt County COVID-19 dashboard reflects a significant surge coinciding with the start of the year, in 2022.

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Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago

I am joining Dave Kirby in ending all interest in COVID stories.

For the record, testing asymptomatic persons repeatedly or ever, is a fantastic waste of resources, and, many foreign and domestic con-men are now operating licensed and unlicensed “testing facilities” in every state.

Maybe they do the test, maybe not, but they turn out results and bill Medicare/Medicaid, and now they are expanding into nebulous “genetic testing” for various conditions…

Medical testing should be ordered by providers, and you should be sure that the laboratory is operated by licensed and honest persons.

“Home tests” may look convenient, but in the hands of the average user, they are one more waste of resources.

COVID testing is a “cash-cow”, for Quest Diagnostics and for United Healthcare, and for many other large clinical laboratories… Let us remember that the Federal Government passed a huge number of laws related to medical testing, back in 1988, simply because there was so much fraud… These days, there are more con-men than honest providers, IMO…

Be your own advocate, and protect your health, and remember:

Theranos

Beau Gertz

and:

https://stories.usatodaynetwork.com/ruralhospitals/castofcharacters/

Protect yourself from fraud, and don’t consume unnecessary medical care.

Get vaccinated, protect your health, be safe out there…

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Xhumboldter
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2 years ago

I agree, expect for 2 words: Get vaccinated. Nope. Natural immunity is always better. Follow the science, not the script.

beetlejuice
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2 years ago
Reply to  Xhumboldter

not true

RealityCheck
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RealityCheck
2 years ago
Reply to  beetlejuice

If it wasn’t true Humans wouldn’t even be here right now, we wouldn’t have survived all this time.

well . . .
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well . . .
2 years ago
Reply to  Xhumboldter

No, a combination of post infection immunity and vaccination offers the strongest protection.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  well . . .

Wrong

The king
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The king
2 years ago
Reply to  well . . .

Oh, is that what you were told? And you surely believe….

Joe
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Joe
2 years ago
Reply to  The king

Wasn’t replying to king

Steve Koch
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Steve Koch
2 years ago

Humboldt County Health Director Sofia Pereira is an activist politician who was a communication major and social advocacy minor with no medical background.

Why should anyone pay attention her medical opinion, how did she get that job, and why is it a good idea to politicize medicine?

Permanently on Monitoring
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Permanently on Monitoring
2 years ago
Reply to  Steve Koch

100% agree.

Who hired this woman, and why?

Previous experience: Mayor of Arcata

No healthcare experience, but she knew the right person…

Typical Humboldt.

ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
2 years ago

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well . . .
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well . . .
2 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

Congratulations?! So have the vast majority of those who chosen to be vaccinated.

Connie DobbsD
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Connie Dobbs
2 years ago
Reply to  well . . .

It shows.

Got logic ?
Guest
2 years ago

Get vaccinated OR protect your health.

There, I fixed it.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago

My recent Amazon order for test kits arrived in just five days.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago

But Joe’s promised test kits won’t arrive until the end of Jan or early Feb, after the omicron peak

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Gavin'sComb
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Gavin'sComb
2 years ago

Testing, testing equals money money.

fishkiller
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fishkiller
2 years ago

in addition to the “who should test and how often” question……..they should also answer the age old “who should wear a mask while alone” question.

Al L Ivesmatr
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Al L Ivesmatr
2 years ago

England is dropping all mandates, mask requirements, etc. I thought America is supposed to lead with common sense, not follow our Allie/nemesis who we broke free from centuries ago. Let’s go Brandon🤢!

Let'sThink
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Let'sThink
2 years ago

This presser offered little to no information at all…

County is low on tests, high on cases, stay home if you’re sick.

What are we paying these people for?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago

15 days to flatten the curve.

2 things are obviously endemic : covid and bureacratic stupidity.

We’re all getting covid and they are still using policies implemented in the first month. Mask don’t work and testing does nothing but give numbers for bureacrats to point at and justify stupid policies.

Nick
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Nick
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Covid is a virus.
Liberalism is a pandemic.

well . . .
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well . . .
2 years ago
Reply to  Nick

Then it’s a pandemic that you can think for your freedom from living under a king and you’re right to freedom of speech.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

At this point the difference in the two definitions are semantic. Covid is with us and it’s pattern of infection will reveal itself, meanwhile medical bureacrats are still pushing policies as if they can stop it. Britain finally dropped the pretense that this is possible. It’s time for us to do the same and get on with our lives.

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Ah yes, the “We didn’t want to do anything they recommended to slow or stop the pandemic” crowd now saying “See it didn’t work so let’s stop trying”.

Jim Brickley
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Jim Brickley
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Sort of like saying, ‘China and India aren’t doing anything about climate change, so why should we bother’?

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Jim Brickley

Uhhh, yeah, that’s kinda the idea. China and India aren’t going to decimate their economy with stupid ideas that don’t work to fix an invisible boogie man. Neither should we. No surprise that the same geniuses who predictably failed at stopping a virus with masks are usually the same geniuses who rebranded global warming as climate change…….and failed at stopping it.

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago
Reply to  Jim Brickley

True, and like with COVID, the fact that the impact of the US population’s actions are disproportionately large compared to other countries are completely ignored.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Jim Brickley

Maybe take a look at the black market gold mining, using mercury poisoning the water, and timber harvesting both in the Amazon.
Instead of gas stoves.

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rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Uhhh, yeah, that’s kinda the idea. When you’re doing something that isn’t working, you don’t keep doing it.

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

Except it was more like when you intentionally sabotage a plan and then complain that it didn’t work so they shouldn’t have bothered with even trying.

Let’s be clear, if the vast majority of people had masked, distanced, and vaccinated as soon as they were available, the impacts of the pandemic would’ve been much, much smaller in the US.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

The vast majority of people did mask, distance, and vaccinate as soon as they were available.
The 4th vax and adding children was just over the top.

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Tim
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Tim
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

That simply isn’t true, particularly at the national level.

Joe
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Joe
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

What? Everyone sheltered in place for the first 2 weeks and then masked. 2 years later and covid ran it’s course just like it would have with no mandates

The king
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The king
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

That’s nice tim. You think if Americans would have complied quicker we would of been saved? And then isolate America from the rest of the world?
More compliance in America would of just slow down the process, eventually it will get everywhere, “to be clear”

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Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

$8Trillion spent to no effect. Billions into a Vax that doesn’t work and you want to point at a mask as the culprit.

It’s not stopping. It’s time to change strategy .

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

I didn’t point at just the masks. For the strategy to work you needed to do all of them all across the country and that never happened.

ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

And “they” made sure it would never happen by opening the borders, not testing or vaccinating the illegal immigrants, and shipping them by the hundreds of thousands, unmasked, crammed together and infectious, by airplanes, buses, trains, and vans/automobiles all over the country.

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rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

The only part of that article that matters:

“Others have pointed out that designating COVID-19 as endemic is arguably a political question rather than a scientific one,”

“most scientific/public health organizations believe that COVID is still a pandemic.”

That is how you know it is endemic. I’m wondering Kym, how you know what to think when “public health organizations” (automatons/bureaucrats) opinions differ? Like when the CDC and WHO disagree on masking?

  World Health Organization, CDC disagree on mask use in public | National | wdrb.com

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Galileo Galilei — “In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual.”

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I don’t recall seeing hardly anyone wearing a N95, in fact didn’t some folks get together and sew cloth masks in a thread here.
Stores pass out the blue masks.
But now in the 3rd year, people need N95’s.
How many poor families will be buying those? One free one isn’t going to cut it.
Scientists are paid to talk, but people have to actually live their lives.
I’m willing to be considerate of others, mask in public, sanitize, and distance.
But injecting something I don’t trust ain’t gonna happen.

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Entering a world of pain
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Entering a world of pain
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

I thought the same thing. Now after all this bs & back and forth everyone is expected to buy masks lol. I actually have a few n95 stored away just in case they became like TP did in early 2020.
Someone rich & powerful must have billions of units they need to unload

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

So it won’t be “endemic” until Biden says so?

Connie DobbsD
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Connie Dobbs
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

That’s for his staff.

Lynn H
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Lynn H
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

I think you can catch it by contacting surfaces. Less likely- sure, but still possible. Maybe even likely. If they told people that on the news they would just absolutely freak out. Best place to catch a cold or flu? Maybe the best place to catch covid? Putting your hands on a grocery store check out surface. The one someone’s gouey child has drooled or coughed on. Second best? The health clinic.

Masks do help, people have been using masks when they have colds in Asia for decades. Just polite. No one wants a cold or flu either. Yes, flues can also kill some people.

Everyone is going to get it. Hopefully with a milder case. I just got back from Fortuna today and several people with attitudes and without masks in stores, purposely getting close to other people and breathing on them. Smirking. Assholes. Have even had that happen to me in a doctor’s office there. Luckily I’ve already had it, but that behavior has probably already killed people.

Mariahgirl
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2 years ago

I had someone ask me if I had covid after Christmas when both my husband and I got sick and I told her that I thought we probably did and then she wanted to know what type and I told her I had no idea because we didn’t get tested. I am not taking any tests so I can be a county statistic and neither is my husband. We are smart enough to know when we need to stay home and away from others and smart enough to know if we are so sick we need to go to the doctor/hospital.

Mariahgirl
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2 years ago
Reply to  Mariahgirl

I forgot to add that we are both vaccinated.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Mariahgirl

Translation: the vaccine doesn’t work

well . . .
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well . . .
2 years ago
Reply to  Mariahgirl

Why would you not want to have your cases counted in the county statistics?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  well . . .

What good does it do? How many colds or flu cases are there? It doesn’t matter anymore. It only serves at inflating a meaningless number to promote further bureacratic actions which continue to do nothing other than waste our time and waste our money.

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Or maybe, just maybe, knowing how many COVID (or cold/flu) cases there are would help make clear where health spending priorities ought to be focused. Or in developing appropriate health care solutions.

It’s interesting how 883,733 deaths and literally millions of hospital patients are a “waste of our time and waste our money”.

What we tried has not worked as well as hoped, largely because people like you refused to accept the information as relevant. But even so, hundreds of thousands of lives were saved and millions of people avoided the hospital from what we did manage to accomplish.

And your big gripe is that you find it inconvenient and see it as a manifestation of big government.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

It is manifestation of big government.

There’s no tracking of colds or flu only hospitalizations or doctor reporting. Certainly not symptomless cases.

The bureaucrats will certainly tell us how many lives they saved, but like every other model they’ve done over the past 2 years, it’s bullshit.

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

I’ve always found it ironic that the same people who complain about big government don’t seem to mind Defense Department spending, or using Interstate Highways, or collecting subsidy payments for agriculture.

Many of the older ones, my parents included, complain loudly about socialism while collecting Medicare benefits and Social Security payments.

Even the ones complaining about the intrusiveness of laws (and mandates!) don’t mind laws outlawing abortion or making it harder to vote because that just affects other people in their minds.

You call the number of lives saved “bullshit” — come up with better data. Show me any data that unequivocally shows that if the US had done nothing from the start that no more people would’ve died from COVID and that we’d be economically better off.

If you can’t provide better data, you don’t have any room to call it bullshit.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Not a single model the governments have used to justify their policies have been accurate. I have no faith in any of their other projections either. They can’t accurately speculate on lives saved any more than I can project lives not saved.

You wanna pigeon hole my political take on the world. I can guarantee you are wrong. I’d be happy to zero out all federal budgets.

Abolish the State.

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Mariahgirl
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2 years ago
Reply to  well . . .

Why would I?

Joe Erwin
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Joe Erwin
2 years ago

I’m an old guy originally from Humboldt (born 80 years ago in Scotia). This is just a note to urge people to get vaccinated and stay safe. It saddens me to see so much paranoid bullshit here and elsewhere online. People mostly believe what they want to believe. What should be common ground is verifiable and objectively factual information. Value evidence and expertise, but question “authority.” Learn to distinguish between fact and fiction. When you read or hear something, you do not have to accept it as true or reject it as false. Just entertain it as possible until you have enough evidence. Follow the facts wherever they lead, and be ready to change your mind about something when that is warranted. Be mindful of variation and individual differences. What may be generally true, is not, necessarily individually true.

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rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
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“get vaccinated and stay safe”

No thanks. I want to stay safe. Therefore, I am not going to take an experimental drug, with hundreds of thousands of serious side effects reported (along with tens of thousands of deaths), that doesn’t prevent me from catching or spreading a virus that is over 99.5% survivable. The rest of your paragraph is sound advice.

BigRick
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BigRick
2 years ago

Honkity honk honk

AnonD
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Anon
2 years ago

Stop feeding this wolf..