Humboldt Co. Public Health Says COVID Causes More Problems for Kids Than Other Diseases We Already Vaccinate For, Talks Omicron, Winter Surge, and More

The Humboldt County COVID-19 Joint Information Center hosted a virtual news conference to provide an update on the county’s pandemic response, including vaccination efforts, and answer questions from local media. Panelists included Public Health Director Sofia Pereira and County Health Officer Dr. Ian Hoffman.

For this type of press conference, the Joint Information Center (JIC) moderates the question and answer exchange in a zoom meeting, where local media presents questions and follow-ups to local officials who give their responses in real time.  The resulting video, called a Virtual Press Conference, is then posted to the county’s COVID-19 YouTube channel at the end of the day. 

Here are some of the main points covered in the December 1st Virtual Press Conference, with a summary of answers from the participants. 

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My name is Christine Messinger, welcome to the December 2st COVID-19 virtual news conference. I’m one of the public information officers for the COVID-19 Joint Information Center and today we are joined by Humboldt County Health Director Sofia Pereira and Humboldt County Health Officer Dr Ian Hoffman.

JIC: Sofia, can you give us a few words?

2 mins in: 

Pereira: Absolutely. Good afternoon everyone.  So, you may have heard that Governor Newsom is actually doing a press conference right now at the same time as our presser here.  We’ve seen the report of the first Omicron case in California, in the United States, and our team is following these updates closely and we will incorporate any new guidance that comes down from CDPH. so I just wanted to acknowledge that, given that there’s some stuff happening in real time right now, as we are in this presser together. 

A couple things that I also wanted to touch on.  First, we have a Public Health Lab leadership update. Dr. Jeremy Corrigan, who you all know as our Lab Manager – after 12 years of service in our public health lab, is actually moving on to be the Lab Director for San Diego County.

So we are so grateful for Jeremy’s tireless leadership, he has helped to grow our lap’s capacity to meet the demand for testing for COVID-19 and all the other work that he’s done outside of COVID-19 with our bioterrorism lab, etc.  So, really sad to see him go and we truly wish him all the best in San Diego, where I know he’ll continue to do great things.

We are, though, also excited to announce that we have our new Lab Director that has started this week, Dr Pepper Stockton.  Pepper joins our leadership team after serving as the Lab Director for Shasta County. he does have roots in this community, he’s lived here before, and together Jeremy and Pepper have been working really closely together to ensure that it’s a smooth transition. so we’re really thrilled to announce this transition and welcome Pepper to the Humboldt County Public Health team. 

And then on another note, I did also just want to speak to the importance of these pressers. They’re important to us here in Public Health. they’re important to the public, and so last week we did get together and discuss the need to provide them more regularly. That’s something that I think we all have a shared interest in, and frankly just one of the challenges has been for us is the human resources side of it. The staffing challenges have really been driving a lot of our decision making, and unfortunately that’s unlikely to change for the foreseeable future.

We’re just adapting where we can, but that said, we are still committed and renewing our commitment to continuing to provide these daily updates that we do, to field questions as they come in as we are able to, and to provide regular updates to the board of supervisors – and to hold these pressers at least twice a month.  In fact, we plan to hold another presser this next week as well, and we would like to do more, and unfortunately that’s what we can do right now with the resources that we have.

And then lastly, just kind of connected in terms of sharing information with the public – our dashboard obviously has been a resource folks, you know, have been tracking closely. It’s something we’re really proud of, and our epidemiologists have been working really hard on developing a new dashboard.  It’s still being developed, it’s still being worked on while they’re balancing all the other work that they’re doing, so we just wanted to… we’ve brought it up before that’s being worked on, and I just didn’t want to lose track of that in terms of educating the public that that’s something that’s still happening behind the scenes, and we hope, um, I don’t want to say a day, because you know, you say something and then you jinx yourself when it gets launched – but they’re working really hard to get something out with a really great new dashboard. I’ll turn over to Dr. Hoffman.

5 mins 20 secs in:

Dr. Hoffman: Thank you, Sophia. And thanks to everyone for being here today. Yeah I’ll also echo, welcome to Dr. Pepper Stockton. We are so grateful for him to be here, he’s stepping into some very big shoes, with Dr. Corrigan leaving. We’re, you know, have been so blessed to have him over the course of the last 12 years and wish him the best of luck. He’s been a wonderful asset to our organization for such a long time.

I want to start off with a couple brief updates so we all know about Omicron and it’s as Sofia mentioned, it’s here now in California as of a few hours ago. Locally, some things that we’re doing, we put out some information to the medical community over the last 24 hours about getting enhanced travel histories, and really any – we’re encouraging anyone who’s had international travel in the last 14 days to go ahead and get tested. And if those, if those are being tested locally here by one of our doctors, that they should send those to our public health lab so we can expedite them if they are positive.

For whole genome sequencing, we’re looking for other ways to try to do enhanced screening of returning travelers, that’s going to be the focus. We don’t think that this is circulating locally although there certainly are some cases, you know, in California and across the country, of travelers from the areas that have seen Omicron in the last few weeks. So, locally our case counts are improved and they’re stabilized for several weeks now.  We’ve really seen that peak that we saw a few months ago come down. We’ve been fairly stable now that the case rate is still fairly high compared to where we were even a year ago before the first surge.

So we are aware that the case counts – while they’re improved, they still remain high in our hospitalizations are also greatly improved but still also remain fairly high at rates higher than they have been at any point before the Delta surge that we experienced in the past few months. So we’re keeping a close eye on that and we’re keeping a close eye on our vaccine progress. I think that’s really our goal right now, is continuing to increase access and reduce barriers to the vaccine. Where you know, the latest review of the numbers you really are very encouraging has upwards of about 20% of the five to 11 year olds with their first shot, which is incredible to have that done in just a few weeks.

I’m really excited for that, and I’m encouraged by those numbers and want to see that continue to go up. As for the 5 to 11 year old group. We’re up to 50% of the 12 to 17 year old group are also fully vaccinated now. Which is extremely encouraging and overall of the entire eligible population in Humboldt County – about three out of four people have received at least one shot. So if we look around, most people in our community have gotten a shot and you know believe in the confidence and the science and the evidence behind these vaccines which are highly effective. They’re very safe. The majority of our communities already have one and they will be the thing that will end this for all of us. So encouraging numbers.  We hope they continue to go out and look forward to your questions, thank you. 

JIC: Richardo, Do you want to ask the question?

9 mins 45 secs in: 

La Lenllador: Yes, thank you. South Africa’s Department of Health recently found that 10% of those infected with a new variant are kids under two. What advice do you have for parents with children, to protect their children from COVID?

Hoffman: It is a great question. I haven’t seen that data yet. What we know about all of the variants of COVID is that they can infect everyone, and that impacts that under five population who, you know, can’t get a vaccine yet or are still vulnerable. so you know for everyone who should be wearing masks I think you know that’s really the main thing that that we have right now besides vaccine if you’re eligible for a vaccine are definitely get one. Like I said, they’re safe, they’re effective, they protect yourself, they protect your communities and you know as far as younger kids, and other ways that you can protect them, as you know – try to keep them out of crowded public spaces.   You know, avoid large gatherings until we have this pandemic under control and if you are in those spaces, and they’re over the age of two and can safely wear masks and make sure that they’re wearing masks as well.

11 mins 25 secs in: 

North Coast News: Good afternoon, I wanted to know of course, we have all this talk about the Omicron variant and of course with the holidays right around the corner, should people anticipate the possibility of another lockdown or additional restrictions?

Hoffman: Yeah, I think you know the first part of the question is are we expecting another surge, and I think the answer is – we are definitely expecting another surge of cases. You know, what that is gonna look like, it is… you know, we have constantly been playing this game the whole pandemic trying to predict the future. With Omicron, it’s really, we’re in a holding pattern now.  We just don’t know. We know it’s more transmissible, we’re seeing that data both in the mutations but also in the rate at which is increasing and in the southern African countries where were circulating, but what we don’t know is, is it as deadly? 

Is it as deadly, is it causing as severe disease, and then how is it interacting with people who’re previously infected or had a vaccine?  So, yes we expect a surge in cases.  We don’t know what’s gonna happen. I I think in terms of our reaction to that, we need to be mindful of what we have – which is vaccines.  So everyone should get a vaccine if you have your full vaccine and [if] you’re due for a booster please get your booster that’s also gonna be an effective tool as that is extremely effective tool in public places. And you know, until we know more about this, you might want to consider things like avoiding large gatherings, limiting you know your larger social interactions. As far as other lockdowns, I’m not hearing anything on that so I don’t think that’s a tool we’re looking to go back to it unless there was some extraordinary reason to go back to that. 

13 mins 45 secs in: 

NCN: Great thank you guys have a quick follow up, I mean you talk about hopefully not going back to lockdown, could you confidently say at this point that we won’t need to worry about more restrictions or a lock down ahead of the holidays this month?

Hoffman:  Yeah, I mean I, again I think that we’re gonna be watching things very closely. It’s not even being discussed right now, so I wouldn’t say that it’s something we should expect for sure. I think we should expect an increase in vaccination , first and second doses and increasing boosters. Thankfully, we have masks still required in our county. I think that puts us in a better position to deal with this as we learn more about Omicron in the coming weeks and months, and will wait to see.  We monitor the cases. We monitor the hospitalizations, you know, daily, and see if there’s any other actions that are needed, but I don’t… there wouldn’t necessarily be anything else locally that would be down this would be you know federal and state actions at this point.

NCN: Great. Thank you so much.

JIC: Ali, Do you have a question? 

15 mins in:

Two Rivers Tribune:  How is the County continuing to work in rural communities and with tribal health organizations?

Pereira: I can speak a bit to that. So, we’ve been having our SNAP nurse vaccination team going out to all different rural parts of the county, testing access as well and we’ve been working closely on investigations with the tribes, and with United Indian Health services and making sure that we’re maintaining that support, as well.  So, really in all those areas we’ve been making sure that there’s access.

Hoffman:  Yeah, but just add a little bit to that.  In all the different branches of our response, COVID response,  investigations, the vaccination efforts in our lab – our tribal partners have been integral part of those conversations, and you know we really try to foster those relationships because we know this is a disease that affects that community so much more. The impact on those communities is greater than the rest of the community as a whole in our county.  So we definitely prioritize that and will continue to do so as the pandemic continues. 

JIC: Ryan, do you want to ask a question?

17 mins in:

Redheaded Blackbelt:  Yes, thank you. I actually wanted to sort of piggyback on Austin’s question about a surge coming this winter, and the potential lockdown measures which are not expected, right, but my question goes to the masking order.  There were certain metrics laid out last time we met and, you know, the goal post being I think mid-January, and if we hadn’t met those metrics, Doctor Hoffman indicated that potentially there were other factors that would be considered in order to lift the masking mandate, and so at this point I’m just wondering now, is that still on the table?  Where are we at with those metrics, and you know, taking into account the new variant which is turning out highly transmissible so if you could just comment on that.  Thank you. 

Dr. Hoffman: 

Definitely great question. a lot in there, so, let me try  to get to everything,   Ryan, feel free to follow up if I didn’t cover it all. So, first part, where are we at? 

So, the first part – where are we at. Count wise, we’re still really hovering between red and orange on the CDC tracker.  You might have seen it dip into the yellow for like half a day yesterday, that was really due to reporting lags from the Thanksgiving Holiday. We see that a lot around weekends and holidays where there’s a little bit of delay.  We’re still, you know, with the old metrics maybe we’d be right around purple, red tier.  

So, we still like I mentioned, we saw pretty high case counts so we haven’t even started to be into that lower case count threshold that’s the number one as far as the hospitalizations go as i mentioned we do continue to see fairly high hospitalizations. I mean they’ve ranged from…just under 10 to upwards of 15 over the course of the past couple of weeks and you know a year ago, 15 would have been really bad for the hospital. They’re used to it now.” things are better, but I certainly think that it’s not a state that we want to be looking to remove a lot of the precautions that are protecting the hospitals. So you know, we’re going to be watching that. We’re not there right now with hospitalizations. 

As far as vaccination, again, I think the effort with the 11 year olds has been extremely successful. We’re above the state average there, Northern California and you know including vaccination rates all of those post complete there’s plus all the people who had one shot in their second shot or you know we get enough people getting their for their completion of their series yes 70% you know in a matter of a couple of weeks.  The 80% you know is a goal for us to get to, and I still think – you know, could we get there by mid January? We’ll see. 

Omicron is definitely something that is gonna catch a lot of people’s attention and you know, maybe that’s the thing that motivates people to get their vaccines. Maybe there’s something else – they wanna go see their family for the holidays and be protected.  Getting the information from their doctors, from the medical community who is strongly supportive of the vaccine whenever it is, because there is still a chance to get there by January 15th.

And then lastly, you know, what happens if we’re not there on January 15th? You know, we’re gonna be looking at that. It really depends on what the status of you know, are we in a current new surge with cases, or is this Omicron really widely circulating, and what does that look like? is it causing high levels of hospitalizations and severe disease? So these were some of the reasons we kept this in place and didn’t take it away earlier like other counties. You know, we’re gonna be very, we’re gonna stick to the guiding principles and if it looks like the right time to remove the mask mandate on January 15th based on those guiding principles, that’s what we’ll do.

RHBB:  OK thank you. I think you covered it for me on the masking question. I appreciate it. 

JIC: Kim?

22 mins in:

NCJ:  Yes, there was an advisory that went out about the higher case rates and the Eel River Valley, certain zip codes. I’m just wondering, has anything changed in the area that interim time, and are there higher vaccination rates, or is it staying about the same with that area still seeing that 60% or more of the cases?

Hoffman: Yeah. Thanks, Kim. Good question. So um case counts have come down across the board across the whole county um so that is encouraging so that you know a lot of that data was from when that peak was you know pretty high and now that the the case numbers are lower they are also lower in the greater Fortuna area. The update I got from our epidemic team yesterday was that they are still significantly higher in that area. So, I don’t think, you know, the numbers haven’t changed a lot other than that they’re just lower. So they’re lower across the board and they’re lower in the Fortuna area, but they’re still higher in the Fortuna area than they are in the rest of the county.

I don’t have any good geographic-level data on the…progress with vaccines for that area. It’s something we could look at, but we’re constantly trying to target and do outreach, and you know, all of the geographic areas that have lower vaccination rates to make sure that there’s plenty of opportunities, and I think there’s ample opportunity for people in the Fortuna area to get vaccinated. So, hopefully those who choose to, will go out and do so.

JIC: Kim, do you have a follow-up?

23 min 40 secs in:

NCJ: So, my follow would be, and I think you probably said you don’t really have a good geographical level progress on vaccination, but I’m just wondering if you have any anecdotal information on progress of vaccines, and when the 5 to 11 opened up in the greater Eel River Valley, do you have any idea of like, where people are getting those vaccinations?

Hoffman: I don’t. I think, you know, again, we made sure to include all geographic areas to try to hit for, you know, five to 11 year olds in all populations. So that it’s just, it’s a small group of ten thousand. Around ten thousand is the population for five to eleven-year-olds in Humboldt County, and so we’re about two thousand of those who’ve been vaccinated so far, and most of them haven’t been able to get their second shot yet because it’s only been a couple of weeks. So, in the next couple weeks, they’ll be able to get fully vaccinated. I mean, it’s something we’ll pay attention to, we’ve always paid attention to that geographic, you know, zip code level – but it’s a little too early to start to do any more targeting. I think right now we’re still just in the messaging phase of, you know, get your vaccine. It’s safe, it’s effective. It will protect you, it’ll protect your community, and including kids. You know, we do see… We’ve had a few local kids hospitalized – sent down to the Bay Area for care – because we don’t have that kind of care here, locally. 

We’ve seen cases of severe disease…in kids locally, and I think the…data is very clear that when you compare COVID to other childhood diseases that we vaccinate against, you know, the number of hospitalizations and even deaths compared to things like say hepatitis, measles, mumps, rubella – all of these things that we routinely vaccinate our children for, COVID is causing many, many, more times hospitalization and death than those other diseases that we already vaccinate our children for. So it really makes sense for us to be vaccinating these kids, to protect themselves, but also to protect all of us, because they get sick, they go home, they get their family sick, they get grandma and grandpa sick, and then those are the people who are at the highest risk for going to the hospital.

So, we’re hoping that that message gets out, more people continue to get the vaccine for kids again, 50% of 12 to 17 year olds. It’s a great number. It will continue to go up as time goes on and more people you know go ahead and get their vaccine.

JIC: Ricardo, do you have another question?

27 mins in:

LL: Yeah, what’s the status of the Latino community with COVID?

Hoffman: Yeah, so the Latino community definitely has a higher, you know, case rate as well, much like our native population.  Much like the black population here locally, but also across the state and the country. So we have seen really in these groups, about a two to three times higher case rate, and that results in higher hospitalizations and obviously higher deaths. 

So we have tried to focus our vaccination efforts in those areas as well, and support both the tribal vaccination, and also doing outreach to the Latinx community and making sure that there are opportunities, that there are Spanish speakers at all of our vaccination events, that there’s information going out through channels that they trust and have confidence in. And so, the latest numbers I was just looking at these yesterday, of the percent eligible in the Latinx community here in Humboldt county, 68% have gotten at least one shot. 

So that’s you know, again really encouraging. We had seen that be really low 30, 40 percent, you know five, six months ago.  So, we’re clearly making really good progress in those and it just takes time it takes time for the…message to get out it takes time for people to you know build their trust and confidence and and I think when people look around and see that three quarters of our community has gotten a shot and they’re doing good, and it’s working, it’s protecting them from the hospital, it’s protecting them from severe disease. That confidence is building and so I think that’s what we see. It reflected in…those numbers for the Latinx community as well.

JIC: Austin, do you have another question?

29 mins 15 secs in:

NCN:  Yes, I do. I know a big thing with this month being the holidays, is travel, and so of course with the Omicron variant, should people be reconsidering out of town travel this holiday season, and likewise should people be hesitant about having family coming from out of town, coming into Humboldt County?

Hoffman: That’s a great question. I don’t think there’s any reason to panic over this. This is another variant, and we will learn more about it. But all the tools that we need to deal with it are already in place. We have the tools here in our country, in our county, and they’re the same – they’re masking, they’re testing, and they’re getting vaccinated. And if you’re already vaccinated, getting a booster. 

So, yes anyone who’s going to be traveling – if you haven’t got your vaccine, definitely start now so you’ve you know got it before you do your holiday travels. If you’re fully vaccinated, go get a booster. That’s definitely going to be helpful. you know, wearing your mask while traveling and then yeah, I mean considering what kind of gathering you’re going to, you know, uh obviously things like testing… Everyone at the gathering would be really, you know, helpful to reduce the risk doing things outdoors. You know, we were really blessed with great weather here in Humboldt for Thanksgiving, so I know many people had their Thanksgivings outdoors and so hopefully we’ll see the same for other holidays coming up, where people can you know do their traditional things get together, see people you haven’t seen in you know a year or two, and do it more safely with the tools that we’ve learned over the course of the pandemic. 

Certainly, you know international travel is something that people may be reconsidering at this point if they are,  if they do have those plans, but Ithink otherwise – you know we’re not seeing Omicron really circulating widely in the U.S., so I don’t think there’s any reason for alarm.

We know that it’s going to be here. We’ve caught the first case. There’s got to be other cases, we know that it’s just not circulating like it is in other parts of Africa and Europe. 

So, we’ll see what happens here in the coming weeks, but at this point I don’t think…, it’s not a reason to throw out your plans and change everything.

NCJ:  Great, thank you so much.

JIC: I see that Isabella from the Times-Standard just joined us. Isabella, would you like to ask a question?

32 mins 30 secs in: 

T-S:  It has been reported that the Omicron variant has a theoretical advantage, and so I would ask, why the county is choosing to essentially stay on the course as it has when that didn’t work to curb the spread of the Delta variant in our community?

Hoffman: It’s a great question, as well, and I don’t think we really specifically covered that one. So it definitely has an advantage based on the theoretical mutations, and how they interplay. It looks to have some support data-wise for that advantage, in the …data coming out of South Africa.  So, you know we’re we’re taking the right precautions, though, I mean we already have a mask mandate in our county that many places in our country don’t have, so we’re actually taking more precautions than um, and are well-prepared for this…

Testing is widespread in our community, it’s easy to come by. And vaccines are also widespread and easy to come by and those are all the same things that are going to work against Omicron, as they are going to work against all the variants. 

We, even if we see a spike in cases here, I think given our level of vaccination, our masking order that’s still in place and everything we’ve learned about COVID over the past 20 months we’re in a better place than we were before Delta. You have to remember when Delta hit us, we did not have a masking order in place other than the state’s masking order for unvaccinated people, and our vaccination rates were much, much lower at that point.

JIC: Do you want to ask a follow-up question, Isabella?

34 mins 10 secs in:

T-S: It’s not totally a follow-up with that, I was also wondering about getting booster shots in our community. I guess I would ask about the efficacy with the Omicron variant, if there’s any evidence that is necessary at this point?  And then also, whether there is a shortage of boosters in our community?

Hoffman: So, we are still learning about vaccine efficacy, and natural immune response and the Omicron variant. So, that is still, you know jury’s out, but we have every reason to think that the vaccines will have you know some, and probably significant ability to protect us against the Omicron just like it did with Delta. 

I think that the older age groups and those who are immunocompromised, I mean that’s who we’ve seen with Delta really get very sick, hospitalized and even some deaths among those who are fully vaccinated with Delta. We are seeing a shift, now that we are getting a lot of those folks boosted, we haven’t seen that as much. 

We haven’t seen the hospitalizations and deaths in that fully vaccinated, boosted, high-risk  group, so that’s very encouraging and that fits with what we’re hearing from across the state with you know boosters in skilled nursing facilities, in high risk settings. Really showing that  protection against Delta. 

So we expect there to be significant protection, and so yes, it’s a reason to go get the booster.  You know, I think some people are saying ‘well should I wait until there’s a specific booster for Omicron’ and it’s no, you shouldn’t, because you don’t wait to put your seatbelt on until you’re 20 miles down the road. You put your seatbelt on now, because you don’t know when you’re gonna get hit, right?  

We don’t know when that, or if that might even be necessary, so they are working on it. The vaccine manufacturers are working very quickly to try to create a booster specific for this new variant. It could be three to six months, so, before we see that, so we get boosted now. you get this vaccine now, and if it’s necessary, we’ll look at that in the future. We just don’t know right now just because they’re working on it, doesn’t mean it’s even going to be necessary. 

JIC: Ali, do you have another question? Ryan, would you like to ask another question?

37 minutes in:

RHBB: Yes, thanks. I’ll try to keep it quick. So, Dr. Hoffman, considering that, you know, we know no vaccine is without some side effects or adverse reactions in some percentage of people who are inoculated, and this goes for all vaccines. So, considering the novel nature of the virus and mutations and all, I’m wondering what type of protocol is in place for health care staff, for example emergency room staff or an attending doctor, in a situation where a person does actually show an adverse reaction to the vaccine, if that should occur, what kind of protocol or reporting procedures are in place for reporting this, and would that then be reported to public health?  Thank you.

Hoffman: Yeah, great question. So, you know, you’re absolutely right, Ryan. Every vaccine has potential for side effects, ranging from the vast majority of which are very mild to a very small number of high-risk, you know, bad outcomes – those are, you know, again, the same as every vaccine, a risk-benefit that that we, as the scientists and the doctors who decide – should we move on with a vaccine, versus not, have weighed out. And I’ll just say the risks of COVID and this deadly pandemic that we were living through are much, much greater for everyone, all ages than the vaccine. 

The vaccine is by far the safest route to go. So, what …kind of things do we deal with? You know, minor things. Most, you know,I mean as many, as you know, 10 to 20 percent of people will have some chills and some headache, and some you know sore arm things that are common. And they’re easy to deal with, and everyone gets those instructions. We have had a few cases locally, in our own clinics and other places where people might have a reaction where they pass out. Again, something very common with many vaccines. We are all trained to deal with these when they happen, and they happen with a lot of vaccines, they happen with blood draws, they happen with people sometimes even just getting their blood pressure taken in a doctor’s office. These are common things that happen, in you know, our body’s response to medical procedures.

So, you know, as far as true serious adverse reactions, we have not heard of really any. Those should be elevated to us at Public Health, when they occur. You know, like an anaphylaxis reaction or some other severe reaction those are supposed to be reported locally, and to the CDC through the VAERS surveillance. And so we haven’t really, you know, we haven’t been alerted to any of these really severe reactions that have led, rise to the level of true anaphylaxis, or you know, someone really, you know, being severely injured by the vaccine itself.

RHBB: Okay, thank you.

JIC: Kim, would you like to ask one more question? 

40 mins 40 secs in:

NCJ: I was just curious if maybe you could talk a little bit about, you put out an advisory in the last 24 hours or so on that Omicron… Can you maybe just expand a little bit about sort of what advice you’ve given to local physicians, about what to look for, and what to be cautious about?

Hoffman: Yeah, so, it’s very centralized on international travelers, and just trying to get those folks tested. I don’t think we know enough about anything else with this, other than we just want to try to detect it, all the kind of reporting around the symptom of symptomology and you know, yes, it does look like it spreads faster that is also in that report but otherwise that’s all we know. Probably spreads faster, good evidence for that. We want to detect it. 

It’s probably going to be found in international travelers at this point, and so we’re going to focus on that. That’s really what the the update was about and encouraging local providers to send those those PCR tests – to get them a PCR test, if they test positive on an antigen or if they’re seeking out care after international travel – to go ahead and get them a PCR test, and send those to us so we can expedite them up to the folks who can get those sequenced quickly. 

And one thing, sorry, just going back to Ryan’s comments about the adverse reactions in the vaccines – you know, I just want to point out, we’ve given hundreds of thousands of vaccines alone, here in Humboldt County, and you know, millions and millions of vaccines across our country. so, we know a lot about this vaccine, and we know that the side effects are mild in most people and it’s very rare to have a severe side effect.

JIC: Well, thank you guys, all for joining us. Thanks to the panelists, and to the media representatives. That’s about it, on time. We will send the links out to the reporting as soon as we have them, and have a great day everyone. 

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Trust the Science
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Trust the Science
2 years ago

Just another bad Hollywood Script, propped up by millions of our tax dollars in bad publicity.

I like stars
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I like stars
2 years ago

They have hired Dr Pepper! I feel better already.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

We can bring you a Sprite.

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Good one!

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago

Interesting that omicron doesn’t have the mutations of other recent variants but instead has many of its own mutations from original covid. It’s like omicron evolved separately. One theory shared yesterday was that omicron evolved in animals for the past two years then crossed over to humans. How often does that happen? Anyway, even though omicron is more contagious, good thing it has more mild symptoms then delta, less hospitalizions and deaths

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

Zoonotic disease is fairly common. It could have just as easily evolved from the original strain instead of a vaiant.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Which Animals are the covid carriers?

Stop the vax madness
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Stop the vax madness
2 years ago

The question is which aren’t.

It’s been found in white tail deer otter mink big cats household pets animals in zoos etc etc etc World Organisation for Animal Health, known as OIE, has recorded 598 Covid outbreaks in animals affecting 14 species in 30 countries up to the end of October. Almost all have involved captive animals in close contact with humans — with farmed mink in Denmark the most affected. https://amp.ft.com/content/70dffb85-5c17-4dac-a1a5-b79c58d91270

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Most of the speculation is that HIV immune compromised and unvaccinated people in sub Saharan Africa were the crucible for this variant.

Jim’s Guest Is Someone Else’s Wife
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Jim’s Guest Is Someone Else’s Wife
2 years ago

The public fear is waning and people are questioning our bureaucratic overlords. To regain that fear and control, now they use the “dangers” to children.

Craig
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Craig
2 years ago

If plan A didn’t work, then move to plan B…..C……D…..E……and so on.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Craig

What ever it takes to force the free world under international control.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

I think fear was gone by summer 2020. It was replaced with reasonable caution since then.

The king
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The king
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

I think fear has waned but it is still being used by our leaders as a tool. Hence the huge freak out over the omicron, almost sunk the dow economy and alienated south Africa. Fear is still greatly pushed upon the public. BTW, no other countries will bring forth new strains outta fear of the world abandonment, as South africa

Stop the vax madness
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Stop the vax madness
2 years ago

Kids are baby goats.

Children need real food, not salty, oily happy meals and soda . Let’s talk about that.

Children need breast milk (historically and globally to age 2.) Let’s talk about that.

Children need fresh air and activity, not tablets and Minecraft. Let’s talk about that.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

We (as a society) do talk about all of those things.

Stop the vax madness
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Stop the vax madness
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Oh ruheally. Hoffman does ? Or who? In the context of this pandemic? Please show me where. You can’t. Because no one has. In fact weirdly enough proof of vax is needed at McDonald’s. AND they are actively pushing the shots (because they sure aren’t pushing low sodium low fat low sugar diets for kids)
https://www.restaurantbusinessonline.com/marketing/mcdonalds-pushing-vaccinations-its-coffee-cups-delivery-orders

Baby Monster
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Baby Monster
2 years ago

Yep it attacks the kids and the babies. Just in time.

Joe
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Joe
2 years ago
Reply to  Baby Monster

Yep got to get that FDA approval to juice 0-5 year olds.

Tony
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Tony
2 years ago

Nice! More fear propaganda!

Good job kym!

grey fox
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2 years ago
Reply to  Tony

Well she always does a good job, so no surprise there.

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Mega me
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Mega me
2 years ago

Omnicrom is not more deadly . They would easily know that by now.

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  Mega me

Hopefully you are right but the problem with assuming that is true is that the average age in sub Saharan Africa, where the virus is rising first, is 18. Not the 43 of the US. That is an age when all sars-cov-2 seems milder. It will take a couple of weeks to know better.

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Yes I had thought of that as well.

And so, yeah, that it infected younger people there should come as no surprise, and isn’t that significant, necessarily.

grey fox
Member
2 years ago

Glad to hear the 20% rate for 5-11 year olds. Nationally its around 14%. Hopefully this will continue. I thought vaccine efficiency would play a bigger role there.. I thought the mask mandate was going to end at 70% not 80% or did I read that wrong?
OK the 70% was When the county hits the 70-percent full vaccination mark, Hoffman said it will allow for large, fully vaccinated groups to gather without masks. To play devils advocate: will vaccine passports be required?
Dr. Pipi Longstockings… And did I hear a Jan. date for 80%? Yes I did…

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grey fox
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2 years ago
Reply to  grey fox

Do not play with matches!

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Jim’s Guest is Someone Else’s Depository
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Jim’s Guest is Someone Else’s Depository
2 years ago
Reply to  grey fox

I have a match. A baby and a liberal. Which one do you think has a better chance of living a long life?

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  grey fox

Let’s see, according to the dashboard
58.68% of the total population of Humboldt was Fully Vaccinated as of
11/4/2021.
As of 11/30/2021, we are at 59.86% of total population Fully Vaccinated.

An increase of 1.18% in almost 4 weeks. At that rate, it will take over 34 more weeks to reach 70% Fully Vaccinated total population.

Puts it around August 1st or 2nd.

The Real Brian
Member
2 years ago

https://www.yahoo.com/news/omicron-fears-variant-puts-huge-122611216.html

An increase of 5x for children under 5 being hospitalized is being reported.

Anti vaxxers are running out of victims to blame.

ShelbyD
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

“An increase of 5x for children under 5 being hospitalized is being reported.”

In a city with a population of 3.5 Million the hospitalization rates went from 20 kids under 5 to 100 kids under 5. Given the context, what makes 100 children an “extraordinary number” as this yahoo article states?

https://www.cogta.gov.za/ddm/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Tshwane-October-2020.pdf

Since you like to look at statistics as a whole rather than aggregated by population or by risk factors, this “extraordinary number” of children hospitalized amounts to .000028% of the population.

If you look at the population by age group (which is a little more difficult to discern) there are probably somewhere around 320,000 children five and under? That represents .0003% of that age group hospitalized.

I’m sure we could break it down further and the risk factors for hospitalization would be even more clear. But of course, none of this information is provided in this sensationalist article designed to sell fear.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Shelby

What does an entire population have to do with anything?

Those types of Covid obfuscating method have failed after each successive wave that grows larger.

ShelbyD
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

“What does an entire population have to do with anything?”

It provides context, Brian. Kind of like how we look at the data in the US as a whole: total number of US deaths, total number of US hospitalizations, etc. etc.

Saying hospitalization of under 5’s is increasing at “alarming rates” and we are seeing “extraordinary numbers” of under 5’s hospitalized is quite alarming. However, when you look at the actual data, it’s not quite as scary as the article would have you believe.

100 kids hospitalized (not dead, just needing medical care) in a town of 3.5 million is not even statistically significant. Hardly “alarming” and hardly an “extraordinary number” from my perspective.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Shelby

Less than 1% of the world died fighting WW1.

So it was pretty insignificant too.

You like how that works?

ShelbyD
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I didn’t compare it to the world. I compared the numbers presented to the population of THAT city. Then I broke the numbers down further to compare hospitalizations to that particular age group in that particular city.

The Real Brian
Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Shelby

I could get the percentage of Anchorage, Alaskans killed in WW1, if you want.

But, you know, it was called a “World” War.

It seems like it just didn’t matter when you look at it like you look at Covid.

ShelbyD
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I’m struggling to follow your logic, Brian. Weren’t you the one who posted a study that was location-specific? And then you said this: “An increase of 5x for children under 5 being hospitalized is being reported” without providing any context. All I did was put your information in context.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Shelby

Here Shelby,

Your attempt to break it down fails because you assumed the entire population just got [enter any communicable disease here] at once.

From the article;

She said, for example, that in the city of Tshwane Metro, more than 100 children under the age of 5 were admitted to hospitals with COVID in the first two weeks of the new fourth wave (Nov. 14 to 27). In the first two weeks of the country’s third wave, in May of this year, fewer than 20 children were admitted to hospitals.

Forget Covid Shelby, because you’ve internally politicized it.

If in one regular month the flu sent 20 kids to So Hum hospitals, but another month in the first 2 weeks 100 kids were admitted for the flu, would you have any inclination to understand why and try to not make that increase yet again?

Regarding numbers, it’s easy to dehumanize and dis-context with them. But also, you’re using them incorrectly, as I stated in my first paragraph above.

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ShelbyD
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

“Forget Covid Shelby, because you’ve internally politicized it.”

You know very little about my internal state beyond what I’ve shared here with you. What I know, think, and experience on a day-to-day basis is invisible to you, so for you to claim to know about my internal state is quite the stretch.

I’m just trying to make sense of the data, just like you seem to be doing. The only difference is we draw different conclusions about risk based on the same data.

“Regarding numbers, it’s easy to dehumanize and dis-context with them. But also, you’re using them incorrectly, as I stated in my first paragraph above.”

You were the one that posted numbers out of context and then pointed fingers at the “unvaxxed.” I’m not dehumanizing anyone but looking at the statistics you posted in context (unless you consider looking at statistics to be inherently dehumanizing). If so, then you should stop using stats and stop posting them if you find analysis of numbers to be a form of dehumanization.

I think I’ve made it clear enough that I care about the children in this community. I just think differently than you do about what constitutes harm to children, as it pertains to this pandemic. Is a 5x’s increase in hospitalization of children in South Africa concerning to me? Without more information, at this point, I’m not overly concerned and I will keep paying attention. A 5x’s increase in child deaths would be more concerning.

And, it’s not that I’m not concerned about the children, Brian. It’s just that there is a lot more to health and wellbeing than avoiding hospitalization. It seems you don’t agree with that sentiment, and that is fine. You can’t expect everyone to agree with you on everything. And just because I don’t agree with your sentiments that we should all be living in fear and pointing fingers at the “unvaxxed” does not mean I am de-humanizing anyone. You can think that, but that does not make it true.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Shelby

And just because I don’t agree with your sentiments that we should all be living in fear…

Never once have I stated anything of that sort that you think am implying.

You are projecting because you are afraid of the vaccine, it’s quite obvious.

That fear is unfounded, again, obvious.

You will continue to obfuscate Covid, obviously.

You have been wooed by the anti vax crowd, obviously.

You say your about data, but what data told you the entire population got infected at once so you could derive that number?

Same old shit, different day.

So, who’d you vote for?

See ya.

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Teacher
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Teacher
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Hey Brian,

I voted for Kayne, I think Trump’s a dickhead but a better President than Biden who I think probably is early stages of dementia. It’s unfortunate that those were the two candidates who had a chance to win.
That being said, I’m not vaxing my kids because COVID poses no risk to them. Get vaxxed like I did and we should make it through this thing regardless of what our kids do.
This pandemic doesn’t need to be politicized. Lots of hippies, rednecks and people inbetween are making the same choices I’m making but it’s easier to simplify and try to put people into boxes to help make sense of things.

The Real Brian
Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Teacher

I voted for Kayne, I think Trump’s a dickhead but a better President than Biden… 

🤦‍♂️

Where do you teach?

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Why do people not realize, “after each successive wave that grows larger”, that the methods that have been failing to prevent infections, have been the vaccinations.

They leak worse than a sieve.

Unfortunately, all the deceptions that are associated with the vaccinations are succeeding.

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

You saying that being unvaccinated has succeeded better? No matter how many times you mention ‘leaky vaccines’ as the cause of more infections, it is always places that are unvaccinated that have given the world a more infective variant. Now even the vaunted ‘natural immunity, said to be ‘better than vaccines even if there is a risk of death to acquire it, is falling to this latest variant.

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

You saying that vaccination with ineffective vaccines has been successful?

No matter how many times you refuse to acknowledge leaky vaccines, or their potential for a more infective variant, won’t change the fact it is a real issue.

“The virus mutated in South Africa prior to vaccine trials, and they were aware that the vaccines were less effective against
B.1.351.

They administered them anyway.

In effect, the vaccinated we’re being half-vaxxed, due to the ineffectiveness of the vaccines against the dominant strain.

They did this knowing that it could lead to variants.

Your last sentence applies a double standard…

“The risk of death in order to aquire natural immunity, from “Delta”, is heightened by the “Omicron’s” reduced resistance to that risky, naturally aqcuired immunity from surviving Delta.”

Let’s flip the script…

Surviving ‘Omicron”, let’s assume unvaccinated, (as if it would make any difference), will be more likely than surviving Delta, while unvaccinated.

And the naturally aqcuired immunity from surviving the already vaccine resistant, “Omicron”, may prove better protection against “Delta”, than is provided by the waning vaccines.

And any future variants.

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Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
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Under all cicumstances, vaccination has saved lives. Period. Anti vaxxers go on and on about the percentage of vaccinated versus unvaccinated, hospitalization, etc. But of course that is not the whole picture and they know it yet persist in their misdirection.

This is a link to how the effects of vaccines have made a sizable difference everywhere. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination

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Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

That’s all water under the bridge.
What happens next is what we should be concerned with.

Has vaccination led to the resumption of international airtravel, “the normal behavior” which contributed to global spread of Covid19 in the first place?

Has “vaccination” saved lives under that circumstance as well?

“Vaccination” has only facilitated “returning to normalcy”, which is how the problem started in the first place.

“Vaccination”, has only guaranteed that Covid19 will be perpetuated indefinitely, leading to variant after variant.

How many lives will that cost?

“Vaccination” just “Rolled Out The Red Carpet” for “The New Kid in Town”, Omicron.

And how will “vaccination” work against Omicron?

Or would we be better off against Omicron without it?

Maybe we would be better off with the milder Omicron against Delta, than with the vaccines.

Tell me, why the CEO of Moderna is warning everyone that the current vaccine may not even work against Omicron, yet Fauci and his entourage are all emphasizing rushing out and getting vaccinated and boosted?

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Nobody is saying vaccines haven’t saved lives. You are literally creating pretend people up in your head.
The vaccines are leaky.
Leaky vaccines increase variant mutations.
Vaccinated people spread covid equal to unvaccinated.
1+1=2
Hamburgers make you fat.
Exercise is healthy.
Spreading division is ignorant and childish.

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Kym, with all due respect, at least now I see what the confusion is.

Please consider…

Covid19 vaccines being described as “leaky vaccines” (they absolutely are), has nothing to do with “vaccine shedding”.

I will agree with you, in principle, that the Covid19 vaccines are not associated with “vaccine shedding”, and that they do not contain a “live virus”. That is true.

To you that means that they do not “leak”.

I see where you are coming from now.

But what you describe as a vaccine “leak”, and what I and Local Farmer describe and what is defined as a “leaky vaccine” are two totally different concepts.

Apples and oranges.

Local Farmers beliefs are not mistaken.

And neither is your belief that the Covid19 vaccines are not associated with “vaccine shedding”. They are not.

And, except for the fact that you believe that “vaccine shedding”, and “leaky vaccines”, describe the same concept, (they do not), you both are correct.

Not allowing that they are two totally different concepts is where the misunderstanding is taking place.

I already posted a screenshot from the NIH which describes “leaky vaccines”.

It has nothing to do with “vaccine shedding”.

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2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

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2 years ago
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Not sure why this disappeared…

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grey fox
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2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Well I see the Moderna vaccine you received didn’t impair your mental faculties to much, your still here debating. And go try tying the knot again. Bet you do it just fine

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

However you conflate covid with Marek’s disease when they are not the same. A “leaky vaccine” has in one case only – Marek’s disease in domestic chickens- been shown to create a more lethal disease to the unvaccinated only. It is a disease that naturally inevitably kills the infected and can’t be cleared by the immune system. Death of the infected individual is the only thing that stopped the spread.
Vaccination kept infected birds alive but did not stop infection WHICH STILL DOESN’T CLEAR. So the infected individuals who were vaccinated simply live to keep the virus going. Covid viruses do clear. And don’t inevitably kill.

This is a situation that does not exist for humans nor with Sars-CoV-2 so this ‘leaky vaccine” obsession has nothing to do with covid vaccines. No, not one, covid variant has come from any place with a high vaccination rates. They have all come from places where the virus runs unchecked because it is a highly mutating virus naturally. The more people who get sick, the more variants occur and have a chance to spread.

In fact there exists naturally a human factory to create more lethal variants like a manufacturer assembly line. It is every human human infected by uncontrolled HIV where the person’s immune system has been weakened enough that it can’t clear the covid virus. These are places where the virus could keep mutating, mixing with other uncleared viruses, until it accidently makes itself into a more lethal variant. But, besides being unlikely, it has absolutely nothing to do with vaccines.

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

You missed the point.
The point was that, “vaccine shedding”, and “leaky vaccines”, are two totally different concepts.

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Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Show one variant that came from “leaky” vaccines. Just one. The point is, that while stopping infection is ideal, otherwise a mutated virus might happen, it certainly has an astronomically larger chance of happening in unvaccinated areas where the virus reproduces at many times the rate it does in vaccinated areas. And spread freely. Because of all the things mentioned- mostly that humans clear covid and it does not kill every human who gets it, the idea is just a non starter that’s being misused.

Hugh ManateeD
Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Shelby

Your math is wrong.
You need to remove two zeros from your percentages.
100/300,000 = .0003 = .03%

ShelbyD
Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Hugh Manatee

Yep, yep. You are right. I have a lot going on and I forgot to move the decimal place before adding the % sign when I posted (although I had done that in my head, ugh!). I have no agenda here other than to understand risk in context and do not want to be putting out inaccurate numbers, so thank you for pointing this out.

Well, I guess that is not entirely true–I do have another agenda–I’m not at all okay with the division that continues to grow in our community based on preconceived notions about how and why people are making the decisions they are making. In that regard, my agenda is also to highlight the fact that this is not a democrat/republican issue for a lot of people who are choosing to remain cautious about vaccination (of the children in particular). Rather, these decisions are based on looking at the data and weighing risk both for the individual and for the community. There are a lot of important reasons to maintain a control group, reasons that I have pointed out here in previous discussions.

The Real Brian
Member
2 years ago
Reply to  Shelby

Your data sucks.

The entire population doesn’t magically contract Covid all at once.

Looking at % as a static form of data when half the equation was an arbitrary number is beyond ridiculous to form any conclusion other than:

Your data sucks.

Should I say it again?

I’m not saying you suck, but…

Your data sucks.

The Real Brian
Member
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Looking at % as a static form of data [in a still growing pandemic] when half the equation was an arbitrary number is beyond ridiculous to form any conclusion other than:

Guest
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2 years ago
Reply to  Shelby

You are on the right track, Shelby Messenger, and are looking for the right answers.

I agree, maintaining a control group is very important.

Otherwise, all the side effects just become normal.

TDM
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TDM
2 years ago

Some commentary on this site saying Omicron (XI) variant is mild ..TBD.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/omicron-variant-puttings-huge-numbers-of-kids-under-5-years-old-in-hospital-in-south-africa

She added: “The incidence in those under 5 is now second highest, second only to those over 60. The trend that we’re seeing now, that is different to what we’ve seen before, is a particular increase in hospital admissions in children under 5 years.

“We’ve always seen children not being very heavily affected by the COVID epidemic in the past, not having many admissions. In the third wave, we saw more admissions in young children under 5 and in teenagers, 15-19, and now, at the start of this fourth wave, we have seen quite a sharp increase across all age groups, but particularly in the under 5s.”

Jassat produced graphs that clearly showed how children under 5 years old are now being hospitalized at an alarming rate.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/28/world/asia/omicron-variant-name-covid.html

“The letter after that was even more complicated: Xi, a name that in its transliteration, though not its pronunciation, happens to belong to the leader of China, Xi Jinping. So they skipped both and named the new variant Omicron.”

I like stars
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I like stars
2 years ago
Reply to  TDM

Xi whiz.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

Seems like an honest statement.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago

Without social distanceing, masks are a nearly pointless social gesture. The decision to end social distancing was not based on science.

Misguidedyouth
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Misguidedyouth
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

It’s all a buncha b.s. in sorry but when you need a vax to go to a Publix gathering but not even test to get on a plane the b.s. is as clear as a glass toilet. But for some reason folks just lap it up like dog food.. sorry. It logic went out the window a long time ago… And when the u.s. starts doing what Germany and Austria have done that’ll be just awesome.. can’t wait.. dirty filthy anti vaxxer s need to stay home because then it will all stop and we can finally go back to normal. Can’t wait.

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Anything that reduces spew will help. So masks help. Good air circulation helps. Neither is perfect. It just helps.

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Social distance all you want. Oh, you are waiting for Fauci to tell you to. LOL!

Misguidedyouth
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Misguidedyouth
2 years ago

Dude is a fucking stooge. I’m sorry but the world is still turning and we are packing airports full of people, no testing required, it’s fuckin b.s. the masks on planes done keep it from spreading.. if this were a real pandemic we wouldn’t be flying people everywhere in recycled air metal tubes.. it’s seriously mind boggling how dumb humans can.. wake up y’all. But make sure you keep your mask on and comply comply comply.

Justanotherperson
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Justanotherperson
2 years ago

Things ive heard antivaxxers talking about in public- a Dr. selling vaccine cards for $500. Same people were talking about using a cell phone pic of someone else’s vaxx card at concerts and the like. “my friends grandmother died. she was 93. She lived a long time. No need for us to worry about covid.” “My family won’t see me because I’m not vaccinated. This is what they’re trying to do. Keep us divided and separated.” “All the wealthy people. There’s 20 of them, including Bill Gates, and they’re trying to change our DNA and control us”

Real Talk 2021

Someone
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Someone
2 years ago

Of course its causing more hospitalizations and infections than diseases we already vaccinate for. Young kids have just started getting the vaccine. And the others we vaccinate for have really effective vaccines. If we had even half the amount of breakthrough cases with the measles or polio vaccine, noone would be saying it was effective. People would be crapping their pants.

Bigmeat707
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Bigmeat707
2 years ago

There is no statistical data out there that shows covid is harming children at any different rate then when this all began. A child dying or even being hospitalized is so low that it practically doesn’t even have a stat at all. More fear mongering. Kids dont even need the vaccine, which technically isn’t even a vaccine. And when it comes down to it, my kids will be home schooled if need be. I have no problems with that. I do have issues with the way these shots are being pushed. I have issues with masks, which obviously hasn’t worked since so many people still get the virus while wearing them everywhere they go. Its ridiculous how the fear is spread with hospitalization and death stats being reported but media doesn’t report all the cases that have been cleared or people being sent home from the hospital. Natural immunity is also said to be 27 times stronger then this shot that is making politicians and big pharmaceutical rich and richer

Root4America
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Root4America
2 years ago
Reply to  Bigmeat707

Child Sacrifice.

In an age where many women and some beta men believe that infanticide is justified, we’ve simply given the children over to Satan to be groomed to be mindless consumers.

Child Sacrifice

Jim’s Guest is Someone Else’s Depository
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Jim’s Guest is Someone Else’s Depository
2 years ago

OMG! The CHILDREN! Like these liberal quacks are concerned with the children when they want to murder them before they’re even born!

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago

“The COVID-19 Vaccines DO NOT Prevent Transmission of the Disease” – Judge Doughty’s Ruling Destroys Biden’s Vax Mandates

The State of Louisiana, By and Through Its AG Jeff Landry, The State of Montana, Etc, Et Al v Becerra, Etc, Et Al, 21-Cv-03970, Memorandum Ruling – Granting Preliminary Injunction, 11-30-202…

Here is the case

https://www.scribd.com/document/544225997/The-State-of-Louisiana-By-and-Through-Its-AG-Jeff-Landry-The-State-of-Montana-Etc-Et-Al-v-Becerra-Etc-Et-Al-21-Cv-03970-Memorandum-Ruling-Gr#from_embed

The New England Journal of Medicine explains how COVID vaccines may produce spike proteins that may lead to myocarditis and neurological concerns.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMcibr2113694

 The United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit has stayed the implementation of the OSHA ETS pending adequate judicial review of the motions for preliminary injunction.

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And if anyone is interested in the governments’ case against Steve Bannon here it goes….

Case 1:21-cr-00670-CJN Document 14-2 Filed 11/30/21 Page 1 of 7

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA :
: Criminal No. 21-cr-00670 (CJN)
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STEPHEN K. BANNON, :
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Defendant. :
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DEFENDANT’S SUR-REPLY TO GOVERNMENT’S REPLY TO
THE DEFENDANT’S OPPOSITION TO THE GOVERNMENT MOTION FOR
PROTECTIVE ORDER AND TO DISCLOSE GRAND JURY TESTIMONY

Defendant Stephen K. Bannon, by and through his undersigned counsel, respectfully
submits this sur-reply to the Government’s Reply to the Defendant’s Opposition to the
Government Motion For Protective Order And To Disclose Grand Jury Testimony (Doc. 12). In
support of this sur-reply, we state as follows:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.237438/gov.uscourts.dcd.237438.14.2_1.pdf

Bannon’s lawyers said the government’s argument was “festooned with hyperbole… perhaps designed to score points with the media.” That same day, a “press coalition” of 15 news organizations—including Buzzfeed, CNN, and The Washington Post—sided with Bannon and asked the judge overseeing the case to make documents available and reject what it called “this broad gag order.”

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So you object to way the immune system responds to both the virus and vaccination because of a speculative pathway discussed as to how that inflammation occurs? Interesting to hear what you think should be a better option than the immune system.

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2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Nooooooo, what I object to is people like you pretending that anyone with a different opinion than yours is getting it from, conspiracy sites,
Clearly, there are Judges and Medical professionals that don’t think you are the expert on law or medicine.
You’re good at pushing a narrative that they don’t exist, though.

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Yes. It’s all about me, me, me… but only to you, you, you… all I did was point out that the spike protein you mentioned as created by the vaccine and as damaging was not the same thing as the “Y” shaped antibody talked about in the linked article that was speculated to cause inflammation. The immune system reacts to spike protein of the virus or the vaccine induced spike to create an antibody that can cause a problem down the line. Only with the vaccine, there are much fewer spikes created than an infection creates so the issue with the antibodies causing inflammation is equally less.

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With the vaccine the mrna allows the spike protein to penetrate the DNA. Catching the virus is less harmful than getting the vaccine for people under 50. Nobody is arguing that the old and unhealthy should get vaxxed if they choose. It’s the selfish, fearful and ignorant argument that the youth should risk the negative side effects of the vaccine to “save” the old and unhealthy that makes no sense to a critical thinker, especially when the CDC has said that after a year long study they concluded that the vaccines don’t stop the transmission. The whole argument for mandates is a shit pile and ignorant fools lap it up.
It’s not speculation but fact that the vaccine causes inflammation. Saying otherwise is spreading misinformation, again.

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2 years ago

Kym, honest question I was hoping you would look into. I’m a parent and I don’t know if I’m going to vaccinate my kids. Can you post info from Hoffman on stats that backup his claim that local kids are being hospitalized and that this disease is more dangerous than hepatitis, measles, mumps, etc? That claim shocks me and I’d love to get more info on that claim. Thanks for the great questions.

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2 years ago
Reply to  Teacher

6 total, hospitalized, 0-19.
2 of them 0-9,
4 of them 10-19.

Teacher
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Reply to  Kym Kemp

I appreciate the info but I honestly find Hoffman’s comments to be misleading and incorrect. “We’ve seen cases of severe disease…in kids locally, and I think the…data is very clear that when you compare COVID to other childhood diseases that we vaccinate against, you know, the number of hospitalizations and even deaths compared to things like say hepatitis, measles, mumps, rubella – all of these things that we routinely vaccinate our children for, COVID is causing many, many, more times hospitalization and death than those other diseases that we already vaccinate our children for.”
At a local level in over 2 years, we’ve had 6 kids hospitalized and that justifies saying COVID is causing many more times hospitalizations and death than these other diseases. That’s barely anything and doesn’t account for the fact that these other kids may have had underlying health conditions. This vaccine has emergency approval only- where is the emergency for kids?
I’m not an anti-vaxer. My kids and I have the flu shot and all of their other required shots. However, I don’t understand why I would vax my kids for COVID. Kym, you say do it for other people. That doesn’t make sense when we know being vaxed doesn’t stop you from getting it or passing it. It is supposed to help with the severity of the disease. Thus, as long as those vulnerable populations, our parents for example are vaxed, it doesn’t matter whether or not our kids are vaxed. Right?
I’m waiting to get actual info that convinces me I should vax my kids against COVID. I read what Hoffman said, your reply, and I’m constantly searching for info. I can’t find any reason to vax my young kids.
My two cents in case anyone is wondering why some parents don’t want to vax their kids against this- we don’t think COVID is dangerous for kids based on all available info and I don’t think vaxing my kids will impact their ability to pass the disease to someone else. I’m open to changing my opinion but need info that explains it to me.

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2 years ago
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Kym,
Hoffman’s statements are misleading, and inaccurate.

He does not differentiate between the 0-9 and the 10-19, or the fact that the
5-11 year old group falls somewhere in between.

What is the true number of 5-11 year olds hospitalized.

The fact is, there might be only 1 of them.

Both 0-9 hospitalizations may have been under 5, and maybe only 1 of the 4, 10-19, that was 11 or younger.

So maybe there has only been one total 5-11 year old hospitalization.

Nevertheless, dividing that 7 year age group by the 20 year span that the six hospitalizations are within, gets you a statistical average of 2.1 hospitalized in the 5-11 group.

Hoffman’s fearmongering statement that the 1 or 2 hospitalizations in the 5-11 age group represent,

“COVID is causing, many, many, more times the level of hospitalizations and death that those other diseases that we already vaccinate our children for.”, Is wrong.

Zero deaths among children, and MAYBE, 2 hospitalizations in the 5-11 group, (Maybe only 1).

So, zero deaths, and 1, or maybe 2, in the 5-11 year old group, as far as being, “…many many more times”…

is BOTH factually inaccurate, and totally misleading.

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The Real Brian
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2 years ago
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Right. Neat story.

“I’m not an anti-vaxxer but….”

Then get the vaccine.

Let me sum it up:

The disease is far more dangerous than the vaccine.

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2 years ago
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“The disease is far more dangerous than the vaccine.”
No kids have died and 6 have been hospitalized in 2 1/2 years.
Why should I give my kids an unproven, emergency use vaccine when there is no emergency for them? I have the vaccine, so do my parents, however, I can’t see a good reason to give it to my kids.
Brian, you gave no reason and did the typical thing where you make fun of people like me who are asking questions. I’m far less trusting of big pharma and the US gov’t than you are Brian.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Teacher

A good reason would be for your child’s parents and grandparents, and all those around all them, and all others around all those.

Reduce the risk, because breakthroughs happen.

The fence in your yard is an illusion, we are one large community.

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2 years ago
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Only if you’re older than 50. For people under 50 your statement is false. Unless you’re suffering from other morbidities.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Local Farmer

My statement is true, no matter what age or genetics.

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Reply to  Kym Kemp

My only intention was to present the statistics Teacher requested, not to draw any conclusions from them.

It isn’t clear to me if those hospitalizations were from Covid19, or with Covid19.

But what is clear to me, is that the number of children hospitalized with Covid19 in Humboldt, has not increased by 5 times recently.

And that vaccination doesn’t stop transmission.

Maybe someone needs to go back in the archives to see how long it’s been since those numbers have even changed…

That would be interesting…

For comparison…

You know, You know, You know, it seems Hoffman picked up something contagious from Frankovich.

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There is something rather conspicuous that you refuse to acknowledge or even recognize.

We are talking about 5-11 year olds.

That is what Hoffman was referring to.

In the 0-19 year old group, in Humboldt, there have been ZERO deaths. ZERO.

Please, tell me, how is it exactly that vaccinations in that group will reduce the deaths that are totally non-existent?

The vaccines can’t possibly stop or reduce non-existent deaths in the 5-11 year old group.

It simply isn’t possible.

Implying that it is possible, is both factually inaccurate, and it is totally misleading.

Vaccinating children, in order to protect vaccinated adults, is like the adult wearing their seatbelt, and making the child ride on their lap, for extra padding and protection.

It risks the child, to protect the adult.

It’s bullshit.

The child is not at risk.

Do not place the child at risk on behalf of the adult.

If the adult is the only one at risk, tough shit for the adult.

The child should never be used as a shield by the adult. Ever.

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You want to spread the disease until a few deaths of children crop up when it’s too late? Stop with the “it’s for the children” spin to anti vaxxer nonsense. Anti vaxxers held the same arguments when children were not eligible for vaccination. Now, using the same distortions, it’s them who are using children as a shield from vaccine mandates. Too bad there has been no expression of concern for any one other than themselves for the last year. If they had, they might now get a better hearing because they are sincerely interested if not any better informed.

The first thing that came to mind when those parents sent a child to school with covid after a positive test was “Are they anti vaxxers? Are they conspiracists? ” That is an earned idea.

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Stop with the Pro-Jabber, “It’s not even on behalf of the children to inject them, just jab them in order to only protect others”…

How many of them will get jabbed unnecessary, after they have already recovered from Covid19?

Selfish nonsense…

And if school is where those kids got Covid19, it’s not like the are going to be the “Typhoid Mary’s”.

Not that I condone it…

But the cats out of the bag…

It’s likely that all the jabs that will be necessary to vaccinate all the children will possibly result in more hospitalizations and deaths than Covid19 would even cause.

Is that what you want?

You are apparently very willing to find out if that will be the case.

And what about the other unknown long term risks to those children?

You’re not concerned with those either?

Of course you’re not!

You’re not a child.

It’s all about you.

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2 years ago
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And I don’t think that vaccines,

“increase the likelihood of those who you come in contact with of living longer.”

That is also misleading.

You make them sound like some
sort of magical, ‘Fountain of Youth’, the powers of which will, ‘rub off onto others’.

In actuality, they only may,

“decrease the likelihood of those who you come into contact with of living for a shorter amount of time”.

And even the decrease in that likelihood might not be much.

The decrease in the duration of one’s own life, that one incurs, due to vaccination, may far exceed any decrease one may prevent in someone else’s life.

And, just to be clear, I wear my seatbelt, and I have been fully vaccinated.

But I will not expect a child to figuratively, “ride on my “seatbelted” lap”, (get vaccinated), in order to provide me with extra protection, to prevent injury to myself, in the event of a contagion that the child faces very little risk of.

It isn’t warranted.

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2 years ago
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I agree the risk of the child bringing home Covid19, and the consequence being the loss of their caretaker, is serious, however slight.

How many infection outbreaks begin with a 5-11 year old?

How many of those will vaccinating them prevent?

Most of the deaths of parents, (etc.), of which you speak, happened way before vaccines were available to them, and I am certain, all of them happened before vaccines were available to children.

Can we really use those deaths as justifications for vaccinating children?

Or that vaccinating children will prevent that many deaths of parents, etc.?

I don’t think so.

I think it’s fair to say, many, many, less deaths of parents and caregivers, due to Covid19, will be occuring because of the majority of them have been vaccinated.

And that the majority of those parents, etc., that continue to perish of Covid19 will be among the unvaccinated ones.

That is on them. Not the children.

The difference that vaccinating children will make now that most people are vaccinated, should not be measured against the previous, pre adult vaccine rollout, unvaccinated losses. That would be misleading and inaccurate as well.

They can’t be reasonably used as justification.

Sorry.

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I ask myself the same thing, why is it so hard for you to understand that just because you vax the 5-11 year old “candles”, and reduce their flame, you aren’t going to put out the forest fire that is Covid, especially a vax resistant variant.

But one might create another problem for the 5-11 yr olds that can’t be foreseen, by vaxxing them with something that may be useless to Omicron.

Why not wait until there is a vax for the child that prevents Omicron, instead of hastily subjecting him to one that won’t do a bit of good against it.

Or at least until we have a better idea of how we stand.

Surviving Omicron might be quite doable, and might provide the greatest protection going forward.

If a different vax is called for, using the current ones might compromise or complicate future vaccine efficacy or delay eligibility.

If the current vaxes do nothing to stop it, then what is the use of continuing to use them indiscriminately?

The vaxxed do not carry fire hoses, they wear foil.

And it is clearly temporary foil.

I am one of them. I don’t purport to be infallible, or non-flammable.

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The Real Brian
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2 years ago
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..you aren’t going to put out the forest fire that is Covid, especially a vax resistant variant.

Hilarious.

You’ve been able to say that for 9 days.

But for 1/2 a year prior we warned variations would arise with less vaccinated.

Omd, you people.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
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If you have thousands of people carrying lit candles in a dry forest, the chances are much higher that someone’s house will burn down than if no one is carrying lit candles.

That doesn’t account for arsonists, or in this case, anti-vaxxers.

Not much difference between the two, though, if you think about it.

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2 years ago
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Fauci would be the arsonist, my friend.

He is responsible.

Your ire is misdirected.

The arsonist in the field of virology, should be your focus.

If two thirds of people in the US are carrying self righteous firehoses, how come it’s not working?

Fauci designed your fire hoses as well, if you think about that.

Think about that.

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2 years ago
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He was talking about 5-11 year olds. See where he mentions 10,000 of them.
Trust me I checked, and checked.

He is mixing up context to a great degree.

He is exaggerating the risk to children badly.

grey fox
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2 years ago
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Talk about a multitasker. She is putting out new articles while debating with you

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That isn’t the half of it.

She is debating with me on multiple threads…

While cranking out new articles…

Often imitated, never duplicated…

The real McCoy.

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2 years ago
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Are you seriously not aware that the vaccinated spread covid equal to the unvaccinated. How is it so hard for people to grasp this obvious fact. CDC has put the information out. “After a year long study, the CDC concluded that the vaccines don’t stop transmission of the virus.”
The doing it for grandma argument has been put to bed.