Flow Kana CEO Threatens to Withhold Cannabis Taxes to the State if Significant Change Isn’t Made to Help the Struggling Cannabis Industry
Michael Steinmetz, CEO and founder of Flow Kana, penned an op-ed article on Medium after the state announced both a tax surplus and increase in cultivation tax threatening to withhold taxes and urging other cannabis cultivators to do the same. While true that the increase in cultivation tax is required by Prop 64 to account for inflation, what the writers of the proposition failed to take into account was that inflation could rise while cannabis prices could fall precipitously. At the same time that the state brings in record-high cannabis tax revenue, the California cannabis industry struggles with decreasing profits and rising taxes. Steinmetz threatened to withhold tax payment to the state in an escrow account if Governor Newson and state lawmakers do not step in to make “real, actionable change” and encourages others to also withhold their taxes.
According to Steinmetz, the dwindling cannabis retail sector is directly impeding the flow of sustainable cannabis from cultivators to the consumer. Of California’s 482 cities, only 115 have licensed retail cannabis available to the adult-use market. He proposes the state rescind local judicial control, “The only way to fix this is overriding local control and trusting the majority of California citizens, who voted in favor of cannabis legalization, and wish to see this industry thrive.”
He is also asking for the cultivation tax, at present, $154.40 per pound of flower, be removed altogether, along with a 3-year tax-holiday on the excise tax. California’s current law requires that cannabis be taxed four times before being consumed: the cultivation tax, paid by cultivators, remitted by distributors; state and local excise tax paid by retailers; and a sales tax paid by the consumer. Of the over 1 billion dollars in cannabis tax revenue generated for California in 2020, more than 143 million dollars were collected in cultivation taxes alone; 2021 is on track to exceed the previous year’s tax revenue, as has every year since 2018. In spite of most growers making less money, the state is siphoning off more tax revenue from them.
Regardless of the state’s booming cannabis tax revenue, cannabis businesses are facing shrinking profits, and, increasingly, closure. Steinwetz said that in 2015, Flow Kana worked with 800 retailers out of approximately 5000 in the market at the time. Today, according to the Bureau of Cannabis Control, there are only 830 storefront retailers in all of California. Meanwhile, active cultivation licenses are up 35%.There are less businesses able to sell the increasing amount of product created by more cultivators than ever before.
Cultivation and excise taxes for the fourth quarter are due at the end of January. Will state officials come to the table to discuss tax reform, or will they call Michael Steinmetz’s bluff?
Note: Our apologies. An earlier version of this story misspelled Michael Steinmetz’s name.
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Ha Ha Ha!!! Pay your taxes, bitches! It’s the law! The law you embraced …now you don’t like it so much? Pretty sure it’s a criminal act to withhold your taxes in direct opposition to a law you agreed to…Arrest this guy! Flo Kana was fine with burying most of my neighbors small scenes. I have zero sympathy. Yes- I find their whining now ridiculous. Sell your permitted scenes and gtfo because this is just the beginning of some years of terribly depressing concentration and elimination. And pay your taxes!! Ha Ha Ha!!
The beginning of the tangled web just like the dairy industry has been in for generations.
Dairy industry is OBSCENELY subsidized to the point the nasty extra extra cheese promos by fast food retailers are actually directly underwritten by the government. By YOU. No lie.
“Dairy Program Subsidies in California alone totaled $576 million from 1995-2020…. ”
Government dairy and meat subsidies and worse lobbies on Capitol Hill are a dirty criminal misdeed and perpetuate shameful destruction of our collective health and environment.
I don’t disagree but FYI, that works out to less than $1/person/year.
Actually that works out to $14.40 per person per year.
You both have real problems with arithmetic
$4/CA person/yr?
Depends on your definition of “person”.
Per person? The corporations win not the individuals.
But in the same vein ; why aren’t we doling out a buck per person per year to prop up the fruit, vegetable or fitness industries?
Please help the environment those cow farts are destroying our ozone we’re all going to burn to death
with that logic we would have to put joe diden down. from news reports on bidens trip to europe at a social event maybe the windsor castle, talk was biden farted, they said it was not how loud it was but how long it lasted. we all know biden is on a constant brain fart and is full of hot air his trouble is he can hardly get it out because he can barely breathe like his next breath is his last. i do not mean him any ill health just stating the obvious well everyone have a happy thanksgiving we are going to eat our more expensive inflation turkey
Shit happens. And along those same lines. So do farts. From my exp it’s longer and more often as the years go by.
Not really feeling that local grass fed/finished beef is destroying anything—least of all my health.
Yeah, there were some salt marshes you could restore, if there weren’t already levees and roads there.
Not in favor of subsidies for the best food in the world. But, maybe if you convince more people to eat less of it then the price will stay down, even without gov’t support.
Food production has been subsidized in this country since we industrialized the process. Mainly to open foreign markets up to producers (we sell rice to China WTF?) USDA offers crop insurance and drought relief, also a subsidization. When cannabis is legal federally it will be available at some level to those farmers as well. The subsidies are not the problem, it’s the industrialization that is the killer. Make so much of it the price crashes so the only way to survive is to make a lot of it for pennies. That’s Flo Kana’s and others model. Pay your taxes buddy and hire a lobbyist to get your product recognized federally. Good luck!
When the shit hits the fan, start with the lobbyists.
Isn’t dairy subsidized by USDA?
I remember pictures of emptying milk cans down storm drains for price support.
Tangled roots is currently being filmed in Garberville.
Great director (white boy Rick). Sunshine’s husband is also on production. All around amazing.
Much looking forward to this. Netflix 4-6 months?
No wonder they are sweeping up the place.
Not sure why people want to bring attention to the fact that they’ve been criminals their entire life while accumulating assets but not paying taxes. Not sure that’s the best attention to bring. Usually those stories are only told after someone dies or has already been incarcerated for their crimes. But hey, they say bad publicity is as just as good as good publicity.
You make it sound like he’s a candidate for the US presidency. Not sure he wants to take it that far. Although, “White Boy Rick” would definately bring in that conservative vote I believe. Not to mention it’s got that great urban appeal. Wonder who’s platform he’d run on?
Same dude that did 20 for distribution? How did he learn to be such a great director? I’ll stay tuned but is this the same chap?
Clarification: Directed by Shawn Rech. (White boy).
Well said!!!
Earlier this year FK had most of the Mendocino county supervisors convinced that they couldn’t find enough cannabis to buy. Ted Williams(Mendocino county supervisor) said in a UDJ interview that if people can’t expand Flow Kana might leave. Now it’s hard to sell because there is too much.
That happened fast
Your small neighbors buried themselves. What is up with you dopers and self righteous entitlements?
Well if the other choice is judgemental ass guess I would prefer to be a doper.
farce what is so funny taxes suck for anyone anyone that can do math knew supply and demand would ruin the price of pot. do not ask me what do you know i was there all along i am still here just older old school friends . 143 million in tax revenue from cultivators sounds good maybe.but the state to get every penny they can; turned the df&g into the df&w. a revenue stream .the big money for the state is the fish cops. tack cannabis on any regulation raid a place for pot which is legal in ca, rack up a big bill for note holders renters absentee landowners etc. so all the legal permits 143 million i know some really nice older people that got a bill upwards of 900,000 dollars for violations not counting the fixing and permits and cost of certified foresters and the poor guy might go to prison and is not charged with pot.so one couple say 900k do the math it would only take them 150 +people to surpass 143 million and these people made zero on pot and their lives more or less ruined. it is really sad to read some of the comments have people lost their compassion? you people need to realize the difference between local law enforcement from task forces cops are the first people you call for help or someone that needs help. [edit]
It’s a shame that some good people got caught up in the foolish dreams that were sold. I do not mean to insult them. I am speaking to the many greedy mega-grow assholes that I have met and know about. Zero sympathy for them..as they showed to us little people of the shire
Suck it up! Do you think any of us want to pay taxes? Since when is life fair? Good luck withholding them from the government, see how that works out for you
I could not agree more that anyone who owns a farm, gtfo now while you still can. The hemp farmers in Oregon are getting $5/lb for their bucked down hemp buds. It’s the same plant. If you think this won’t happen to the wholesale cannabis market, you are delusional. All it will take is a few thousand acres of auto-flower for distillate. The thc market will become so saturated that mid-grade dep weed thc will be 100x more expensive and make no sense for a distributor to even truck around. Federal legalization is around the corner and indoor scenes will pop up in every warehouse district across the country. Outdoor/not perfect dep flower will be unnecessary and never sell. Many heavy consumers will grow their own. And the big boys that can afford to sell at a loss for years until you’re knocked out of the game are happy to do it. The only growers that will survive will be the seed banks that patent their genetics and have millions of dollars in seeds saved already from many years of production. The end is nigh, people.
Taxing an industry that has been living under the tyranny of prohibition for almost 100 years is extortion to the exact definition of the word.
All them get rich marijuana gold dreams go up in smoke.
Viva the black market!
Now let the tobacco companies show you how it’s done. 5 market strains, auctions for the farmers and buyers, build a brand.
Philip Morris (or whatever they are called now) has owned rural parcels in Sonoma County for many years.
It’s time to pour weed in the humbodlt bay, and have a humbodlt weed party. Join me, as I empty my bag of dope into the harbor and will show them invaders a Yankee tradition.
Winning comment!
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Wow. If you cannot afford taxes then you don’t have to pay taxes? This group sounds very entitled. Maybe the state will lower everybody’s taxes, not just seasonal farmers.
If you can’t afford your taxes it’s the tax structure needs to change.
Now if you just don’t want to pay your taxes in the current structure for any reason including political grandstanding or cheating or fraud or feeling ripped off reasons thats resentment against a structure that won’t adopt option #1 change all the tax structures to be fair. That means corporations pay the most no more corporate welfare. Under$200000 combined annual income pays no income tax. Add the guaranteed basic income and the solutions for most of the street level inequalityand despair will appear once people know they’re not going to be criminalized for being cashless. The pot tax structure needs to change to help and give to the small human farmers and help and extract taxes from contract agreements posing as with inalianable human rights.
Yeah so a lot needs to change!
Dissappear up there. Not *appear *
There’s not enough revenue if everyone under $200,000 gets off tax free
Bustin out the world’s smallest violin agIn for this twit. No Sympathy for legal or illegal dopers .go get a real job .
Are legal jobs not counted as a real jobs? What’s a real job? Something that caters to you is what I’m sure you mean
My guess, is that Paxil lab, factory, & salespeople “have real” jobs
It’s the marketing representatives that have the REALEST jobs.
F-K made monkeys out of you, made you work for them, and now they will toss you aside and blame the state for all their problems…
The biggest problem of all: Competition!
It’s America! If you can’t make a living here, you just aren’t trying…
Get a job, if you don’t like it, cause we have enough scammers, liars and fraudsters…
It’s not the state’s job to make your business profitable…
I read about a woman in Topanga who sells organic vegetables and freshly made soups to the doors of her customers…
Soupsorceress.com
Be humble, be grateful, manifest your reality, and next time, don’t let con-men into your life…
Wow! Soup!? So if I had a couple hundred grand, I could start a business that makes $20k a year!?
Oh ye of little imagination.
Ever heard of Campbell’s?
Yep, that sounds like Flow Kanna.
‘Splains why we say, “Flow-Con-A!”
California made that bed now y’all wanna complain about the taxes lol y’all voted for prop 64 …. Oklahoma is wayyyy better , $2,500 for a license…. bye California, ghost towns is what the emerald counties will be except for the large permitted farms that are tied in with the above big wigs …
Why do you think Rex Bohns son is a “GM” of a farm lol. Gotta pay to play.
You jackassess grew too much weed! Nobody cared when the mom and pops withered and died, now we feel the same about you. What was it I used to hear, oh yeah, “Let the market decide”
It actually used to feel like a community before the greed, although there was hypocrisy then too. I don’t see many people with integrity anymore. Just like in the book, “The Lorax,” bigger better, everybody needs a Thneed, parallels throughout. Just ask the Once-ler…..
According to libs The Lorax is racist. But what do you expect from people who demand more government and then complain when they have to pay for it with sky high taxes and inflation, then demand more government to fix it. Liberalism is a mental disorder!
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You can’t even properly regurgitate the propoganda you eat for breakfast daily.
Opinion is the wilderness between knowledge and opinion.
Psst…when Republican politicians say they want lower taxes, they don’t mean for you. They mean for the rich. See: Trump’s tax cut and who mostly benefited from it.
Republican or democrat both parties are POS
If you’ve been in govt more than a couple terms your in there making money. They are almost all a bunch of con artists.
The 1% pay close to 40% of the income tax bill. The top 10% pay 70% of that bill. Turn off MSNBC and you won’t repeat stupid lies.
Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2020 Update (taxfoundation.org)
From what I remember, in the logging town I grew up in in Oregon, was the Lorax was banned in public schools because it painted an ugly(but accurate) picture of clearcutting.
I am the Lorax, I speak for the trees.
“Let the market decide”
NEWSFLASH: The government taxing and regulating people outta business is not “the market”.
There was not much an average citizen could do to craft the law we were given to vote on. There was alot going into a good smelling soup. It was hard to sense how much rat shit was in it.
An acreage cap, less volume, higher prices, and taxes wouldn’t sting so much. That’s a form of regulation. A slightly different form of regulation might be where each agency is the center of the universe, and doesn’t realize there are 14 other agencies charging fees, all taking as much as possible, based on a fantasy of how much profit was in cultivating weed.
The growers have more up front expenses, and a long wait for a return. You’re kinda stuck with bills due, you’re gonna take the price they offer. Retail prices haven’t dropped. A grower needs to grow good weed. Distro just has to pick it out.
Good reasons to vote, “NO” on any ballot initiative.
Retail pricing seems completely unattached to the supply side off the market. Absurdly out of touch. The general public is clueless as well.
It’s definitely not a free market
the excise tax alone is 27%.
LeT tHe MaRkEt DeCiDe
the black market?
Nose face cut spite. You go girl. If we learned anything from tea its that you’re actions lead to better times. Next lets take on windmills and make sure they do ugly up are environs. More Kyle is what are called for. Please keep us informed because I need to get the price up so I can retire.
RTF
A bold strategy cotten.
Let’s see if that pays off for them.
Dispensaries need to stop sitting on product then and let it go! It’s there fault holding on to cannabis controlling down south prices but then complain when they don’t get this years freshest crop lame
Go big or go home, that’s what people did, and now it’s time to pack it up. Good-bye
Since it cost a lot more money than i had to ‘go big’ I didn’t go home, I wisely used what $$$ I had to permanently leave the United States of America. (BTW: there is fantastic weed all over the world that wasn’t grown in The Triangle)
That’s what I’ve been saying for years. Anyone can grow quality doobage anywhere. Especially in your own back yard. Cut out the growers and distributors altogether.
I believe the one of the main reasons for the passing of the current pot laws was because it would be taxed and hopefully benefit other aspects of communities some how. For Flo Kana to say the majority of Californians want legal pot but not have it taxed is just not correct
This guy wants to force towns to have dispensaries? Maybe not all of California wanted weed legal. Maybe all these towns represent the people who voted no. Maybe those same places passed ordinances to ban the sales of a federally illegal class 1 drug.
This was voted into law. Only way to change it is with another vote.
The problem with voting is the cities. If Sacramento and Los Angeles vote yay, then the vote passes for the whole state. Then the vote gives a false indication of the voice of the entire state. This guy is pushing a false narrative to fatten his bank account. And of course, it disguised as trying to help the farmer.
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//”Maybe all these towns represent the people who voted no.”//
If you do even a small amount of research, you’ll learn that the answer to your ‘maybe’ is an emphatic “no”.
// “If Sacramento and Los Angeles vote yay, then the vote passes for the whole state. Then the vote gives a false indication of the voice of the entire state.
This guy is pushing a false narrative …”//
Currently the false narrative is yours.
JB
Interesting JB, Shasta County voted against cannabis legalization, but they allow and HAVE retail. Hypocrites! (And pokes a major hole in Jacob’s theory.)
Here in Trinity, the majority vote was for legalization but we can’t seem to benefit from retail. Give us a dispensary!
To be clear, Shasta county has a total ban, Two cities in Shasta have regulated cannabis. Redding and City of Lake Shasta.
And yes, Trinity needs retail!
I voted yes BECAUSE I believed it would not be good for the pot growers. Glad my vote finally counted for something in this state. 😁
Lol, that must feel good. I quit voting because I was sick of losing all the time
The proposition was written to allow local control over dispensaries. That’s why many people opposed to dispensaries and growing in their towns actually voted for this corporate “legalization”. So your map above misrepresents that part of the vote, possibly the part of the vote that made the proposition become law! That anybody now wants to ram grows and dispensaries down these community’s throats is plain wrong. It would be like promising an acreage cap and then removing it after the vote…
// “So your map above misrepresents that part of the vote”//
Nonsense — the map correctly and fairly represents those who voted for prop 64 as written.
Any thought that “LA and Sacramento” were the ones who drove the ‘yes’ vote (Jacob’s proposal) is put to rest by the fact that most counties voted yes.
JB
Jacob, do you know why cannabis is a federally illegal drug in Schedule I? It’s because it has no medical value according to the feds.
In other news, up is down, war is peace, black is white and shhhh don’t tell anyone, especially patients that cannabis is lacking medical effects.
Don’t forget that the main reason it is illegal is because it was a favorite recreational intoxicant of a few minority groups that the federal government wished to legally oppress.
Dont forget the textile industry and William Randolph Hurst. Millions of dollars poured into demonizing “Marihuana” (how they spelled it in the 30’s) as a powerful drug pouring in from the Anti-jesus(white jesus) south.
And how could I not mention Harry Anslinger. He was just a good ol’ boy protecting ‘mericas youth.
“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing, result from marijuana usage. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others.”-Harold J. Anslinger
and thats a mild statement hes attributed.
Totally agree, not to mention Nixon going against his own committee to place cannabis on schedule 1.
The reason? Criminalize black, Mexican, and counter-culture(hippy) folks all at once.
Good comment☠️☠️🤙🤙🤙
Honestly though where did all that tax money go? Haven’t seen s*** happen with it.
The Big Question! The question no journalist asks…I am blown away that nobody ever asks it of Humboldt County. We had a wildly explosive economy for 3 decades- tax revenues through the roof and yet the roads barely got fixed. Where did all the money go?!! Nobody even asks…. that’s weird
Well, the AC Office is asking more questions of where money is going and look how that is going- This is actually going to be interesting if it truly leads to an audit of the County, what nuggets of ‘interesting accounting’ will be uncovered?
You think the AC office is falsifying the accounting?
Look at the lottery. It was passed with the lure that it would help the schools. How are public schools doing? Teachers are buying materials for their students out of their own meager pay. Same old shuck and jive.
You haven’t noticed the government getting bigger?
Try to withhold taxes. I’d laugh to see the state bankrupt you. No one else can withhold taxes without repercussions.
Ya, he wanted to play the game but doesn’t want to feel the pain….
This is a great response to the “war on drugs” masking its self as regulation. When the BOS (the same people who brought us CAMP and dirty Sherriff raid for years) bait and switched us, starved small families, and now destroyed our industry through their greed and over regulation this is appropriate. The Trellis grants were given to the BOS starting in 2016 but not allocated to farmers or even marketing. It is my belief that at least two people on BOS have personal investment in legal cannabis and decided to give their partners or family and friends an unfair advantage to establish their dominance within our industry while making it almost impossible for anyone else to succeed.
The state lied lifted acreage cap after being lobbied by harborside when it was written in the law that large corporations could not participate in cultivation until 2023.
Start listening because people are not going to care about your legal market at all which is not great for the environment. No amount of raids are going to stop people from growing and polluting on public land a supported (They are just moving to different states or getting bigger) and thriving legal market that isn’t over taxed are regulated that includes legacy outdoor growers will. Fulfill your promises!
Otherwise everyone will just say F IT we are not paying taxes time to put back on the camo and we will see a lot more people going to jail and violence. Talk about equity and decriminalization working!
And to all of you people relishing the demise of cannabis I hope you like Tweekers, poverty, and crime because if you take away cannabis from our local economy who the hell is going to employee college students? the restaurants wont because no one will be able to afford to go out to eat, no one will be getting hair cuts, no one will be fixing their homes(good bye construction), there will be no tax revenue to pay our government so no good schools for our children.
I love the idea that Eureka can be a tourist destination but not when people are almost being shot for “disrespecting” a dog at the main tourist attraction. I mean all of Eureka is a little scary as of this point.
I’m not sure if you all are aware but logging and fishing are gone the college is great but already has an issue with homeless students not being able to afford living here. If they can’t find work the college will go under too. This is the Alarm wake up
“Logging and fishing are gone.”
And so is commercial cannabis soon.
3 Supes have a familial interest.
Too true Farmer. I might add that old “taxation without representation “ warning. The state really still changing what we voted for. Quaking from a new kind of land shift.
CAMP is a CA state program…not county
Yep and all because of government.
Government is the problem anything and everything they touch goes to shit.
Hopefully the state shuts them down. Flowcanna sucks. Owned by Phillip Morris backing. They are not for our community.
The cannabis taxes are from farmers not Flowcanna. More than likely this is via the request by farmers in protest.
lol, us growers think you farmers should pay your taxes and not bitch about it. The customer is getting fucked by you people. The small farmers are getting fucked by your corporate overlords who control all retail and distribution. This flow kana fuck doesn’t have any right to speak about an industry in which they only control 25%!!!!! May 2022 is comming pay the man in cash. Those worthless security notes ain’t gonna save your ass when Uncle Sammie wants his tender.
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If you talk to small farmers you would hear the echoed sentiment the taxes are too high and local regulations are F-ed up. There was just a protest in so-hum concerning these very issues. If farmers could withhold their own taxes (which they can’t) they might as of this point. Distribution, flow kana, in this instance are choosing to represent the wishes of the producers. I agree though there is a need for farms to be able to self distribute there is a lot of underhandedness. There were also a lot of burner distros as well over the last few years.
I really don’t know anyone who operates a farm who calls themselves a “grower” I always kind of thought of it as a term to throw shade and undermine the legitimacy of the kind of work we do and the difficulty of labor. A term the townies said with distain towards the mountain people As in “those lazy growers need to get a real f-ng job” and were out here sweating our knuckles off doing back breaking labor just like any other farm. The plant is growing if you have many of them and hopefully more than one species of crop we call that a farmer. I mean call yourself whatever you like maybe its something indoor people use??? but Its a term that annoys me and generally points to a type of cultivation borne out of dominion rather than understanding of the seasons, soil, and the plant.
Grower was a term used by the OG’s, the outlaw growers, to describe themselves. Farmer was something added later when cannabis began moving to the white market. Cultivator came more recently.
Maybe it’s a so-hum thing we were removed. My parents didn’t call themselves anything except homesteaders. We were just taught keep your mouth shut.
That was universal!
I don’t know I think the whole ego thing and shouting from the rooftops I’m an outlaw grower!!! wasnt really a thing for people like us. It didn’t really appeal to the families I watched being torn apart by camp. And from the people I’ve talked to who are still shouting I’m an outlaw they live with the fact their adult children were not raised in their own home. while it might be prevalent in your circle it want not in mine to lable yourself anything. So hum is not the only place that grows ganja its just the one with the most notoriety and very few of your farmers still respect the earth. those that do have killer ganja like damn! the best ganja. but just cuz your old doesn’t mean your ethical.
and to go further people who I associate as growrs are strip miners. Taking out trees, using eagle 20, diesel spills, human trafficking, fing up water ways.. greenhouses on moonscapes that used to be perfect mountain to ecosystems. Look at the eel river and the amount of nitrogen that causes the algae blooms. shade thrown at the growers and your self aggradizing capitalism
K, lol. See you at the Cal State Fair. Guess we will see who knows more about the soil and plant. You the farmer or me the grower. I am real are you?
Bro Beef and accolades from people who have known eachother for years or better yet get phylos bioscience to steal genetics from heritage growrrs! yay count me in! I’m real
I have my own Landraces like every OG I know. We don’t share! I know how to stabilize a strain. SC Labs is not a part of the grow bro scene neither am I nor my kids. I kept my mouth shut til I started growing for a legal scene now I don’t gotta shut up no mores. Grow a better plant than me. I’ll let my weed represent how well I grow as it always has!
Phylos not SC labs offered a full genetic test and to “clean” cuts through tissue culture to winners of a very popular cup. It didn’t end well for the “growers” or “farmers” who entered their genetics. Im not always sure who to trust especially when that cup had a lot of the people I thought were on the side of the light involved. I also just dont like that part of the culture sure it’s free publicity but I have compost piles that need turning, trees to be propagated, and chickens to be fed, nutrients to make. I don’t have time and I would rather be on my farm. Everyone’s motivation to farm and need for recognition is different .But good luck I hope you get what you need out of the event!
I see, so, your bodies fertilizer iis above eye level, got it!
“My pot plants are better than yours!”
“Damn right, they’re better than yours!”
“I’d show you, but I’d have to charge!”
Lol!!! Damn, this is some low grade entertainment from such a self-professed, high-grade growing individual!
It can and is grown EVERYWHERE! The game is over and you know it.
@KYM . Just curious what “rule” did I break to get put on moderation? Thanks
You aren’t on moderation. Nor was this comment on moderation when I looked at 8:50 a.m.
Thank you… my comment said “awaiting approval “ then disappeared. Must have been a glitch
I had a seemingly innocuous comment on a related story disappear too. I just posted it again! Wonder if it’s there…
All mine seem to disappear thesedays. I do not know why
That is a glitch that has occurred a few times and I can’t figure it out.
Try refreshing.
And yet Pinocchio Trump and the 1% ultra rich balk at paying their fair share of taxes. Most large corporations like weapons makers and Amazon, Microsoft, Boeing, Google, Facebook, Walmart and nearly all of the stock exchange companies not only don’t pay taxes, but get millions in refunds all on the backs of the Middle Class workers. If you don’t pay anything in, but receive millions back where do you think that money comes comes from. From your paid-in taxes. And Trump gave them billions of tax breaks that should be going to infrastructure to repair our interior and create employment and stop spending trillions of tax payer dollars on STUPID wars. Remember the GOP is responsible for the rich getting richer and the middle class having their wages reduced on cost of goods and services. If Trump and the Republicans are not stopped our world will be getting A LOT worse. The cost of fuel and utilities, food and goods is the result of BIG corporations. They control prices as they increase their profits to goods manufactured outside of the USA. Remember Trump promising to returning goods made in China, Mexico, Indonesia and other foreign countries back to our country. The opposite has happened because that lying bastard didn’t make one corporation move back to the USA, but Besos’s Amazon made record profits in 2020 while raising employee wages one dollar. Microsoft made record profits while sending more work to be done in foreign countries. Try and find one shirt, pants, jackets, shoes, socks, televisions, electronics, tools, appliances and most everything in and outside your homes that is made here.
I’m just glad the Dems increased the SALT deduction from Trump’s $10k to more $80k and electric car credits for people making half a mil. Can you imagine how that helps us middle class the Dems claim to
represent? You and I are better off for it, yeah?
Yes, I will be (slightly) better off with the increased deduction and my income is decidedly middle-class. It pissed me off that Republicans passed a tax bill that gave massive cuts to the wealthy and increased them on the middle-class.
And you do know that the limit on state and local taxes was specifically and maliciously targeted to hit Democratically-run states. Because you know, states rights and all that freedom to choose stuff isn’t valid in the Republican view if it goes against their right-wing philosophy.
I’m just an Average Joe and our family saved tens of thousands under Trump’s tax cuts. Why should low tax state’s citizens subsidize the federal taxes of millionaires in a half dozen high tax states?
Yes, my taxes dropped considerably as well.
I think this person still thinks Bernie is going to provide free college, UBI and free medical.
This person is a sheep, not a lion
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Color me skeptical of your claims. My federal taxes increased by about $5000 between 2017 and last year with only minor increases in salary and no changes in my claimed deductions. Largely because of limitations on deductions passed in the tax act.
Funny they didn’t cut deductions for the wealthy so that folks like the ex-president and his pals can pay no taxes.
I lot of rich democrats like our current president benefiting too
I went and checked and I was wrong, my federal taxes only increase by $2,200 over that time period. Still, the point is they went up, not down.
Mine didn’t go up. Be as skeptical as you’d like. Mine went down by over $3000 per year in that time period. You say potato, I’ll say potatoe.
They don’t. Look at which states pay more in federal taxes than they get back in federal expenditures. You’ll find California on that list and the low tax states on the side that gets more federal money than they pay in taxes.
You are not average. I made slightly over $45K in 2020 and I paid in higher federal taxes in 2020 than I have EVER paid in my working career. Trump added taxable items and eliminated tax deductions. So I call “saved tens of thousands under Trump’s tax cuts” BULLSHIT!
” It pissed me off that Republicans passed a tax bill that gave massive cuts to the wealthy and increased them on the middle-class.”
The 1% pay close to 40% of the income tax bill. The top 10% pay 70% of that bill. Turn off MSNBC and you won’t repeat stupid lies.
Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2020 Update (taxfoundation.org)
That is a misleading statistic. Here’s a rebuttal.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/fact-check-richest-1-dont-pay-40-of-the-taxes.html
Not to excuse Trump, but his wealth status is far closer to that of a homeless person than it is to the 0.1%, let alone the 0.01%! Those 400 or so people exert dominance over all of those large corporations you mention, and more.
Shed some more tears, we’re still in a drought and could use the water.
LOL….hard! That was awesome.
Your post is full of TDS misinformation. Trump gave the middle class a huge tax break. He brought big business back to America to create millions of American jobs. Trump made America energy independent. Now we’re begging our enemies to produce more oil. Biden is wrecking our economy and destroying our safety and security. America is discovering that the democrats never saw a tax increase they didn’t like…
The data doesn’t support your contention. For example, under the Obama administration, which inherited a depression in 2008-2010, overall US jobs rose by 15 million. Under Trump the total number of jobs continued to increase though at a slower rate for the first 3 years but by the end of his administration it had dropped by 3 million jobs from where it had started.
As for “energy independence”, well that simply doesn’t exist in a global marketplace when it comes to petroleum. The US is still a net petroleum exporter but not by much. Prices are rising for a lot of reasons, primarily increased demand with stagnate refinery production which is something the previous administration did nothing to fix. As we transition to more renewables, demand for petroleum should stabilize.
Joe…you are once again, as is the usual, repeating propagandist opinionated shite.
Not data.
The wool has been squarely pulled over your eyes.
We have been over this before.
I think you maybe suffering from something similar to stockholm syndrome, trump style.
More government means more taxes. If libs understood that concept, they wouldn’t be libs. Enjoy those taxes and suck on some inflation while you’re at it. How’s that “free” health care workin out for ya?
Funny thing: the term “Liberal” originally referred to liberal on trade. As in free traders. Believing sweeping generalizations about a population based on silly name calling doesn’t help you understand what’s going on. It’s easier to succeed in politics if you are rich. Right winger, or left winger, the richer you are the harder it is to give a shit about, or understand normal people.
Nice summation! I would add (the obvious?) that it’s easier to succeed IN LIFE if you are rich… The Donald is merely one of numerous examples of failing up.
Both “major” parties are dominated by corporate interests, which is why shifts toward social democracy only occur when capitalism is on the ropes (such as the 1930s). We might be approaching that terrible threshold again, not that it’s something to hope for, considering all the suffering required to seriously threaten corporate interests.
The DNC stole the nomination from Bernie twice.
Where’s the next hero coming from?
” the richer you are the harder it is to give a shit about, or understand normal people.”
Nonsense. That’s an excuse used by jealous losers. Most millionaires are small business owners who started with nothing.
Works better when the rich pay their share of taxes.
Confiscatory taxes are what you support…..
So you want the rich to get a tax cut?
Step #1, Turn off Rachel Maddow
Inefficient producers fail. Flow Canna may be one but who cares if adequate product volume is still available to consumers? Society doesn’t have a responsibility to prop up inefficiency.
But it is in the interest of society to assist those who are beneficial to it. And Humboldt County at least is losing by driving out of the market the small cultivator who lives in the community and patronizes the local businesses and donates to local nonprofits and coaches the kids baseball team.
I agree but the problem is oversupply, not regulation and taxes. Government should’ve limited permits to 10k sq ft to allow growers to make a living instead of making growers millionaires.
I agree that there should have been at minimum the five year moratorium on exceeding one acre that was originally in the rules.
It was not in the rules. It was a suggestion written in the proposition to con the believers. Prop always said decisions would be made by an appointed state board. I am repeating myself from our conversations leading up to the vote. Many people didn’t read the actual proposition and wanted to believe so badly ….it was no surprise the board had closed-door meetings and immediately rescinded the acreage cap. That would have been the moment to express rage and protest. If I remember correctly that did not happen….people doubled down on their false belief in the wonderfulness of this corporate “legalization”. And now…here we are….
Farce, while not all is as it should be if I was in charge, I hold that not arresting intercity youths for having an ounce of marijuana is a step in the right direction for humanity as a whole even though financially it harms my family. We’ll just have to disagree on whether the overall good to the world outweighs the harm to the cultivator community.
Wow, Kym,
There is a lot to unpack in that comment.
Especially the last sentence.
That’s pretty heavy.
It’s still illegal for under 21 “youths” anywhere in Calif. to possess any amount of weed.
Unless they are over 18 and have Medical.
Giving an industry to corporations and State government was a step in the wrong direction.
Accepting the argument that this was how to address possession with intent to get stoned law was not savvy. Maybe I’m cynical, but I assume those people who initially promulgated that argument were being disingenuous and nasty, in attempt to shove the rest of the Babylonian agenda through.
People are judgemental. You have to write it down and discuss it when applying for a job. You have to take a piss test which looks for marijuana. The stigma is strong when it’s on your record. The war on drugs is real and more real here than anywhere. I support legalization for those facts yes, worth it.
Til ya walked in those shoes you won’t know. Many shoes by the way some closets are filled, some just a few pairs. Matter of perspective.
It’s one thing to make a case for disproportionate demographic targeting and prosecution of pot laws, but there may be a hidden assumption that inner city youths were less informed of pot laws, and how to work with/around them than anyone else—whether they were involved in distribution, or mere consumption.
Not sure if any of the great white multi-state corporate conglomerate ballot initiative writers ever asked anyone with an inner city street hustle component to their enterprise for input.
Consider that many inner city youths may have had as much financial interest in keeping weed illegal—BECAUSE of the risk—as anyone up here. Maybe better wages and working conditions than being a budtender…
So you’re of the sacrifice some for the greater good school of thought? Because six million people went to jail for marijuana related offenses between 2010 and 2018. That’s a lot of suffering to keep the prices high here in Humboldt and on the streets of New York. https://www.aclu.org/report/tale-two-countries-racially-targeted-arrests-era-marijuana-reform
I’m for calculated risk.
New York isn’t in California.
California has had a get out of jail card called, “215” for longer than most rope smokers have been alive.
Not saying it’s a good Proposition. Not at all. I never had a card, but I (regrettably) voted “YES” for 215.
The price for that Iicense to Ill has come down drastically. Incidentally, so have the benefits and protections.
Oversupply in the legal market. The nation is not oversupplied. The oversupply is a smear campaign to drive prices down cause corporate are losing market share to the traditional market. The strategy is if you legals dump your shit out the backdoor that will drop traditional market prices. It’s a bold strategy but it failed because none of them understand the traditional market.
They needed the price drop strategy to work cause the government only accepts cash. Well, times up!! 2022 those loans for 500,000,000 dollars are due and lending has dropped off considerably. Meaning, Mikey can’t pay his debt and what’s even more beautiful is no bankruptcy protection. Ironic that in the world of business these are the cream of the crop only to be out done by business wise hill folk. Let the war rage!!!
“The oversupply is a smear campaign to drive prices down”
You sound paranoid. Or are you still having fantasies that your weed is selling for $1500 locally? Oversupply is the reason for $400 a lb and all the positive vibes and fantasy talk won’t change that. Weed makes people paranoid as well as dumb. Reality is tuff.
Paranoid, lol. I sell my weed for what I say that is the truth. I proved my self as an outdoor sun grower last year to the legal market, you can call me egotistical. I will submit my product to the state for judgement cause I got pride in my work, you can call me arrogant. I don’t just listen to anyone’s shit talk. I will go find the facts (this is why most call me asshole) like the under 125 dollar trimmers spewage and prove the fact. I was correct (I elevate to fuck’in asshole at this point) they do not produce the quality I or my customers expect. My crew had to teach them how to do the job right. However, they are damn impressed with the quality and smell. Nice to hear from workers and they don’t even smoke (back to love). Peace out.
Ask any grower and they will tell you they got the best shit and only they no how to grow and old so and so they don’t no what they are doing. Blah blah blah 🤣
Well, now we get to find out at the CAL State fair. SC Labs is doin the testing as fair as they can in my belief. They are giving enough time to submit a proper sample of the plant I love. I got my prized lovelies off to the side. I look forward to the competition, see ya there.
California should have limited the number of growing permits issued like other states have, to help with this issue of over production.
Limiting farm size would have been better.
“I agree but the problem is oversupply, not regulation and taxes.”
The problem is all three.
“Government should’ve limited permits to 10k sq ft”
Nonsense. You had it right the first time when you said: “Society doesn’t have a responsibility to prop up inefficiency.”
Didnt Flo Kana start a fire that wiped out a neighborhood???
Really not stoked to see this as the voice of the industry. Bad neighbors.
To those who dont get it, imagine producing a product you have to pay to grow. Then you pay 40% tax. Yes 40% of your biz income goes to taxes. If you can sell your product. If you cant you STILL have to pay taxes. Theres no subsidies like other farmers.
What you haters arent getting is that once these small growers get pushed out its going to all be owned by multi-national corporatuons. You think theyre gonna be small???? They have teans of lawyers that will allow them to do whatever they want here. Or theyll do what most others have done here&everywhere really, just break the regs and pay the fines.
The small growers are the ones supporting our communities still. Once theyre gone,unless your job is somerhing a mega-corp needs,youll be out of work and getting a new job…..yep you guessed it,harvesting pot.
Look across the country at agricultural areas, this is what happened everywhere,small farmers pushed out wih only jobs available walmart since the big ag hires mainly latino workers who work double time compared to most of us.
There are books on this subject. Almost all of the areas taken over by big ag had huge issues with meth begin with the loss of small farms. Look at our area, we lost logging to huge corps, lost our dairy to foster, fishing to the huge ships, etc.
Really step back and think about it folks. Industrys not going away, who do you want running it?
Funny how the guy who works a 9-5 making minimum wage hates people who are trying to succeed. It’s 2021 and gas is $5.50 a gallon shouldn’t you direct your energy into something beside internet trash talk?
This will surely delay the release of their cannabis-backed cryoto-currency, “Flo-Con-A.” I guess they’ll have to settle for mongering non-fungible-token (NFT) weed flower photographs (as if there are any takers!)
While I agree with the premise, the problem was pretty much created by entities like FLOW KANA. Kinda hypocritical, to say the least.
this is like the smallest fiddle sort of crap. Flow Kanna came to town with tobacco money and tried to shift all sorts of stuff and burned down a neighborhood. GTFO here. I can’t stand this sort of antic- crying poor and asking for support from a community that you haven’t helped build or support. Makes me think of Papa and Barkley affiliated Scotia Lodge setting up a go fund me so they can install swimming pools at their expensive as fuck weed themed resort. Come on. GTFO
Well…come on now…they did have some barbeques and gave out some hotdogs…
Got everyone in our office laughing real hard with this article.
FYI, the state loves it when you withhold and it’s your legal right to do so for x amount of time.
However, this article will end up on the wrong desk and expedite your audit. Guaranteed, 100%.
My legal advice would be to remove this article in it’s entirety.
Never ever ever suggest anything whatsoever regarding defrauding the state of California publicly or anything that can be construed as such.
This is one brazen act of stupidity.
Can you sponsor me, I’m flush with stupidity and need a real mentor, thanks for advice. I recently got screwed by Nevada County and BLM and just took it as a loss, as to not make waves. I still stir the pot, however excommunicating everyone in my life, is making me reevaluate my social skills.
There are many legal resources available in Nevada County. BLM is my cup of tea. I have only bested them a handful of times due to the fact it is near impossible to file unless there is a land exchange or serious public commitment to the case.
BLM cases, if they do make it, cost around 1.5-3 and can take decades. Most cases are brought on my various other governed functions(townships, States and so forth).
Thanks I only got screwed on a Gold Claim, so I said Uck it, I ain’t going to make waves when it’s just a hobby that’s a stress relief and fun. Nevada County made me pay taxes on it after it was sold to someone else, however I took it as a loss, because again Gold Mining isn’t about the Gold its about getting punked by Bigfeet, hiding for claim jumpers, and praying for the lost and wounded Ole God fearing prospectors. Signed former Dead Head
Exhaust every adminstrative remedy possible, document it all. File federally pro se. If it passes summary judgment, myself and every other blm hawk will be notified via nexus. I assure you will be assisted if it passes SJ.
Filing will perhaps push them to look into the issue.
Dear American Consumer:
Phuck the pox on the plant. Which is both the legal and black market. They think their hotshot knowitallz as to what’s up, as to what the problem is, as to what, where, how to grow and move it. The only dope problem in this country is … the dope Industry, the monetizing of a simple plant. So, screw ‘em all. Get armed with Liberty, freedom, garden-woke: grow yer own or get neighbor or family to do it for you. Sun, seed, soil, water. So easy, even a plant can do it. And if you still need a growdozer, gunz, guard dogs, last I checked it’s still America — you can still have all those things. So, be dope, don’t be a dope.
I’m curious, are all these recent complaints about the cannabis tax because the growers aren’t making enough money to stay in business? Or is simply that they aren’t making as much money as they were used to in the black market?
so many more costs and regulations are super rigid compared to other industries. Also the dispensaries control the price of the pound but sell it for the same price no matter whether it’s $1000 per pound or $300 per pound
Our small farm lost money last year. And we aren’t the only ones.
Thanks for clarifying that. With the near constant complaints about taxes from every industry, including those making record profits, it’s hard to tell what’s a valid complaint and what’s just whining.
Is the loss after paying wages to farm owners for their work effort or before payments to owners? Does the term “small” imply hired help isn’t needed?
Based upon reports from inside several governments, the IMF has been directing all central banks to terminate paper money by 2022 and move to digital currencies. The real motive here is to terminate the underground economy and to ensure that everyone is 100% taxed as they determine. This has been the driving force behind the shift toward tangible assets with real estate, collectibles, and equities rising. This has been capital trying to get off the grid. One house on the beach I am personally aware of sold for $1.2 million in 1992 is up for sale now at $7.8 million.
Even Ukraine’s President has just signed a law allowing its Central Bank to issue a digital currency. People wrongly believe that those in power are actually intelligent – WRONG! Those who have attended our World Economic Conference have often met my son-in-law. He wanted to go to Capitol Hill with me and I warned him he would never look at government the same. We went in for a group meeting among many Congressmen and when we left, he turned to me and said: “They really do not know anything!”
These people have ZERO experience. It would be like putting me in charge of a hospital’s surgery unit. I might be able to be an administrator, but I would have ZERO knowledge about how to carry out procedures. The people who hold these positions are typically lawyers. They have no idea of how the world economy truly functions. In their mind, they know how to write a law and they assume by writing that law all the people will have to obey.
more
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrong-economics-upcoming-events/world-economic-conference/the-authoritarian-rule-the-post-2032-hope/
We are the farm owners so I’m a bit unclear on what you mean. However, maybe a good way to describe size would be under 5000 feet. or maybe this works for you: I think our best year was around 150 pounds but that’s off the top of my head so don’t hold me to it.
Nowadays that’s considered small for sure. Others know the cannabis farm economics far better than I so I’ll avoid demonstrating my ignorance of operating cost. Sorry to hear your family’s operation is upside down. Doesn’t seem the price pressure from oversupply gets fixed soon. Some may fallow their fields if they’re operating in the red but others will increase volume chasing economies of scale. Tax revenue was promised voters so I don’t see how it’s right to backtrack on that. Seems we’re at a tipping point and some will get squeezed out whether we like it or not.
Well I don’t know about Kyms farm, but we couldn’t afford any help this year 🤷♀️
May I ask what price point per pound would you have broke even. I know it’s not that simple cause the legals gotta separate flowers from smalls. So maybe let’s just start at 1000 for flower and 600 for smalls would that have put you over the top? I can say yes to the legal farms I grow for to those prices. If it was 800 and 400 respectively 2500 sq ft and below would be wiped out not sure 5k could last unless extremely efficient, 10k maybe. I am accounting for everything from seed/clone to customer experience outdoor sun grown properly.
Well, knowing full well that speaking openly in public means that everyone and their second cousin will sneer because of course they could have done everything better…
Off the top of my head* and not counting pay for our work which is obviously unsustainable, we spent about $33,000 on everything from attorney’s fees (just barely over $500) to government fees and taxes (over $8000) to processing (the biggest chunk at a little under $20,000–yes, we spent too much but it makes me sick to pay trimmers so little). Then we didn’t sell over half because it took us so long to get money from the first pounds to pay for trimming on the rest (in retrospect, we should have not trimmed the second bunch and we’d have still been ahead a bit.) If we were able to sell every pound at $400, we could have squeaked by (especially with smalls and trim eking out a bit extra).$500 per pound would have been bearable. $600 would have been solid. $700 would have been good.
But when you’re as small as we are, you can’t make any mistakes. You have to be on top of selling…pushing every possible option. And that just doesn’t fit our skill set. (Yes, we will have to adapt or die but I’m trying to be honest about our failings also)
I don’t ask advertisers to buy ads for my website either because it makes me feel like throwing up. Obviously, we’re going to have to make some changes and either get better at that end of things with our farm or walk away from the business (ironically, this year we just got our County permit)
*Note: This is all just off the top of my head and my memory sucks but I’m guessing its roughly right. Remember we are full sun. No dep. (We hate the plastic involved.)
Blessings and thank you so very very much. It’s all in line and exactly the same for the legal farms I support. I didn’t want the detail but extremely helpful to my business partners to know as we review our legal farms and their next steps. I dispise DEP it destroyed our home.
Note: I wanted to know if what people on here were saying is true for trimming.
We hired crews from known farms. This below 125 trimming, it’s a fantasy and I am truly blessed. No where near the quality and my crew is having to teach them. I understand how you feel about not paying them their true value. I obviously am biased when it comes to those that support our efforts.
No one should hold any judgement to an honest soul. All the best to you and yours.
I just realized that that doesn’t include income tax…and I’m too depressed to even try and figure that out.
I’m sorry your farm struggled this year Kym. So much labor of love and so little to show for it sucks.
Best wishes in the future, but as you’ve seen me write here for years, I don’t expect it’s going to get easier in the Triangle. Be careful and wise.
My opinion:
If your trimmers are oblivious to the weed prices, market, and their employers struggles, they aren’t good trimmers already.
If they are aware of the situation and take over 100.00 per pound (this year) then they are knowingly ripping you off, and aren’t good friends.
Reduced pay for workers has best been compensated by hiring less workers.
Keep the best ones happy busy.
Instead of 5 people trimming that 150 lbs, Kym, it should be one or two people max.
They get paid less, sure, but they go home with MORE money, through proper hiring management.
The best I’ve seen is 2 people trim over 200 lbs each in 2.5 months.
That year they were paid the least they ever had been, but went home with more than ever before.
Job security for them too, to have work lined up.
TRB, I just tested the under 125 trim crews throughout our area. I call bullshit, I know what product I expect they didn’t even come close to our normal crews.
75 days 200 pounds 2 people. I suppose based on what I saw during the test. Under my standards never. Best I have seen on a constant basis is about a pound and a quarter to a pound a half a day and your gonna pay over 150 for it and we should. As far as I am concerned this matter is closed. If that is the kinda product you all are bringing then you have no reason to complain about low prices, your product is the reason.
No, 400+ pounds in 75 days by 2 people. (200+ each)
The first month was harvesting.
Their boss employs them at 25 per hour that. Normally around 125 hours per person of harvesting before trim work.
That entails cutting down (leaving larf), cutting branches to specified lengths and working them on the Trim pro classic. (Only a big leaf machine) Then hanging. Then unhanging and tubbing.
The wall of tubs begins.
These folks don’t smoke, eat healthy, run or stretch in a break, eat 3 times, sleep well and are treated like royalty, because they are.
4 lbs is normal in a day.
The nugs are robust, smalls are thrown out.
I’m sorry you haven’t found the right system or people LL.
And I’m not really sure why that fact is what makes you think other weed is shit next to yours.
Post a pic bud, of the bud.
Because talk is cheap sometimes.
What are the rules of posting bud pictures, can I? Otherwise, I love showing off my ladies. I have a great crew. The search is for the legal farms not mine.
Like I said I tested the trimmer market it failed. The People I work for know I am very thorough in my research.
Talk is cheap I concur. I will be submitting my nugz to the Cal State Fair to compete. Every legal farmer in California gets a chance to try and shut this grower up.
No problem
Awesome on the plastic deep thing, I always thought it was gross, uck trimming like the Ole school way, just minimal, so smaller leaves protect the fine hairs and colors. I grew some pretty tasty and very sexy nugs, and if anyone complained about my trimming, I’d explain about the costs, show em the goods and explain how my weight is over compensated. I also focused more on the soil so taste was real not synthetic. However finally I was just a novice but I sure got compliments and saved many a grows by growing soil not the plant..
A lot of folks who grow swear that leaving more leaf makes a better smoke.
And it’s mediating to trim alittle before you smoke and again the best thing that happened when the market became flooded is some growers really learned how to make thier product shine. Think of it as going to a used car lot, and seeing a bright new car that just came out of the show room. Again I’m a dumb Ole Dead Head and my best growing mentor was a Sonoma nut bag taught by Mendo outlaws, and I saved many a grows, and was always told the best, and simply never cared about the trim, just the cure
Kym- Thanks for your honesty. Those stats may help others figure out their situation. And thank you for saying that about the dep plastic waste- I agree! I’m sorry for your struggle and wish you the best…
It costs me approximately 565$ per lb to get to market. And sadly it’s the same for either bigs or smalls 😞
I hear ya. Full disclosure since Kym posted 7500 sq ft but only using 6k. 140 pounds flower 30 pounds smalls roughly.
It’s a lot of work for sure not to get paid appropriately. Chin up, we got a plan, got good people behind it and well we’ve been successful before so we know what it takes. Lots of pieces need to come together but if any one can pull it off “M” can!
// “ I know it’s not that simple cause the legals gotta separate flowers from smalls.”//
Is this a Humboldt thing? — because it’s not a state thing.
It’s not a law. It’s just the most likely way of selling. Distributers want uniform (all the same size) pounds.
How come all they sell over the counter is the smalls?
Where all the big stuff going?
You never see that in the dispensaries.
Nothing but bugger-sized buds.
Pretty obvious the big nuggets are going to a different market.
Got it. Àgree. Thought with the “legals” reference it might be taxed different in your county. Thanks
I know from what I sold the buds that were purchased went to a dispensary that was a medical co-op and got a legal license. The smalls went to a white label and were put in containers and sold @ 3.5 grams each to one of them burner distributor LLCs. I never heard such a thing of the bud sizes until a few years ago. Legals only, it’s just another way to rip the small farmers off.
Welcome to the world of legitimate business …
What other business do you know of that you pay 50k plus in yearly permit fees? This is for a tier one farm, goes up from there.
The reason the pot thing is so fucked is the pot people don’t have any congress people or senators. Once we see that change everything else will line up. Kinda like the pentagon budget and all those “strong defense” politicians. It’s a racket.
The isreal defense league kinda shit for weed. I will support.
You’re thinking more like Southern (Humboldt) Poverty Law Center.
*S(H)PLC Copyright ‘21, namer
I am a bit more militant and although I love and lived in Humboldt for 15 of my near 41 years in the Coastal Mountains of the West, Trinity is my home.
So, more like Southern (Tri/Hum) Growers Defense League.* Makes it sound like we are superheroes. Ya know like the league of justice, lol
*S(Tri/Hum)GDL Copyright ’21, Legallettuce
As a distributor FK is suppose to be collecting taxes from retailers and cultivators. They would be responsible for paying the profits FK creates through distributing but the taxes Michael claims he will withhold are really taxes he will have collected from cultivators and retailers. So he would actually be putting cultivators in legal jeopardy
Kim,
Thank you for your work.
❤️❤️❤️
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thanks for reading.
I am not sure what to say. Good job, I think. They could market to males we have rectum, fyi.
https://mjbizdaily.com/canadas-first-regulated-cannabis-suppositories-target-female-consumers/
His damn name is Michael Steinmetz. Google it.
Thank you. I corrected the error.
This is the dumbest publicity stunt yet. Distribution companies are responsible for collecting and paying the taxes on behalf of the Farmers. This once again Mr. Blown Karma will only hurt the Farmers. You are just upset about the article coming soon about you.
IMHO
Michael Steinmetz needs to seek legal counsel, and get E&O insurance for his business. The only way to play the game is through lobbyists now. Smaller growers will need to gather resources and begin “Coalition lobbying”, for changes in the State law. Everything else is just noise.
Threating the state of California with not paying taxes intentionally is considered “Tax Evasion”.
“Tax fraud can be punishable by civil (i.e. money), criminal (i.e. jail time and money) penalties, or both. For example, a taxpayer can commit tax fraud and be punished under 26 USC § 6663 with civil penalties, without actually being charged with criminal tax evasion under Title 26 USC § 7201.”
Dude Hey, this is a stoner site, who even has that weird symbol between USC and number on their phone. However all joking aside, great advice and Holy beep, I need a lobbyist to lobby my lobbyist.
Anyway if I listened to my parents, I’d be like you and talk with numbers, which doesn’t even makes sense , however I never listened to no one except Jerry and he only taught me how to smile, smile, smile…
The Undisputed Truth has it that, “a smile’s just a frown, turned upside down.”
Humboldts number of retailers is highly disproportionate to the total in the state and I predict business failures just as there will be morefailures in the wholesale business. This may not be a bad thing, especially for the local environment.
Nah nah nah nah,
Nah nah nah nah,
Hey hey hey,
Goodbye!!!
Boo Hoo. Now that I have invested Millions , to create my pot business, I need someone to bail me out because I got too big, too fast. What fool didn’t see that coming. Greed is destroying your industry! Flow is not a good neighbor.
Pay your taxes and stop whining, you miserable snow flakes.
What I don’t see included in the discussion is how many more states have legalized over the last 5 years, which has added to them growing and decreased the places to export for the Non licensed growers.
They are also much closer geographically to the non-legal states for exporting.
That’s part of that vague, “step in the right direction” white liberal fantasy argument, whereby Californians who think they “lead the nation,” and presume to speak for some imagined non-white ghetto customer plunking around with a pocket full of personal who will gratefully benefit from the shotgun blast to drill a hole in the bottom of the red cup that makes it so that giving the entire multigenerational industry to corporations and governments is a small price to pay for turning unlucky felony puffers who get taken down for smalls into normal schlubs or at least cite-and-release dorks…
Good luck telling them that voting for a California law doesn’t change what happens in New York, or Arkansas.
But, if they insist California DOES lead the nation, then you better them to be careful what bullshit they vote for…
Most of the country views Ca. with disgust.
Ca. doesn’t view the rest of the country at all.
We’re too myopic.
No body cares flow kana [edit]
go back to being a rich kid leave the growing to the ogs
@ Kym
Have you ever held a nug competition on your site?
I’m trying to think how we could raise you some money, compete with our legal nugs, have fun, and see how chronic things are around here….
Hmmmm.
Now that sounds like fun as long as I didn’t have to be a judge…I’d never get anything done.
No, I think it should be judged by readers.
All the commentors can pick their favorite.
Maybe an entrance fee of a $___ donation – Post a pic.
One week to allow votes by readers.
The winner is known forever, you get the donations.
A picture of marijuana? Like a photography contest? That’s different than a cannabis contest.
The rough sketch in my head says that you announce the bud pic contest.
People can send you a picture of their best nug for an entrance fee donation per pic, with a 3 pic max.
You accumulate the pics for the 1 week entrance allowed to competitors.
Then you post the pics in one article: “The contest”.
Readers vote in the comments their top 3 favorites.
You announce the winner.
Or something like that.
(I don’t think there is much reality to people sending you hundreds of samples for a competition.)
Actually sounds fun, curious if you visioned wet or dry. Maybe both , funny how trimming kills a nuggets beauty, pretty heady grower in Sonoma only sells no trimmed, he learned from mendo folks, I don’t want to drop all his lures, but he surely can capitave a buyer, with his sexy arce product. It truly is on another level, and im being 100.
Yo wait hold up full stop.
Gavin Newsom and his brother are majority shareholders in flow kana and they are bitching about taxation?
Thats not what it says to do in your communist manifesto!!
😂😂😂😂😂
Mikey “Little Big Man” Steinmetz doesn’t want to pay his taxes, because his business is failing.
Investors, like Wall Street hedge fund robber baron Jason Adler, have dumped $175.5 million into Flow Kana, and they want a return on their investment.
But it isn’t happening. So, Flow Kana is in a survival mode.
Instead of focusing on quality, Flow Kana is now focusing on cutting costs, and that includes not paying taxes.
To further help with the survival thing, Flow Kana has hired a few high-powered executives
CEO Jarom Fawson was hired to source new financing, do corporate restructuring, and renegotiate deals.
COO Kevin Haslebacher was hired because of his depth of experience in retooling struggling operations by utilizing a combination of Variance Analysis, TPM and LEAN principles.
Meanwhile, since COVID, sales declined steadily across California’s legal market, according to data compiled by Colorado-based BDS Analytics.
Layoffs?
You bet! In 2020, Flow Kana had layoffs — a November round, which followed layoffs on March 13, March 30 and April 30.
The final insult?
Flow Kana’s “shop floor experience” sucks. Ask any trimmer who has worked there.
The vultures are circling, Mikey.
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John Sakowicz, Ukiah
I was waiting for my wife at the Verizon store in Ukiah and to kill some time I visited a dispensary across the parking lot. They had Flow canna ounces for 100$. It was oxidized and machine trimmed. They didn’t even go back over it to clean it up.The top shelf stuff was the same quality at 60$ for an 1/8th oz. The 2 people who came in the shop grabbed some vape cartridges and left. BTW there was about 6 kinds of flower but over 50 different cartridges to choose from. Lots of gummies too.
Oxidized? Machine trimmed? Flow Kana quality has slipped. Maybe their white label stuff is better. And at $60 an eighth! Insane! Flow Kana will fail with this business model.
sure, and that will somehow work out?
Then there’s this:
https://cannabislifenetwork.com/legalization-versus-a-pandemic-what-hit-the-cannabis-market-harder/
What has “track and trace” meant? It meant the cannabis market is turning hyper-digital. It meant the cannabis market is loaded with tracking technology. It meant privacy is gone. It meant Big Data and data mining. It meant government surveillance and government connecting the dots of the matrix of your life.