We Asked Humboldt’s Public Health Officer ‘Why Do Unvaccinated County Employees Need to Get Tested But Not Vaccinated Ones?’

Screengrab of Dr. Ian Hoffman, Humboldt County Public Health Officer at the October 14th media availability. 

Screengrab of Dr. Ian Hoffman, Humboldt County Public Health Officer at the October 14th media availability.

During yesterday’s virtual press conference with Humboldt’s Public Health Officer moderated by the Joint Information Center, we asked Dr. Hoffman to explain why the CDC does not recommend surveillance testing for vaccinated community members, he did his best to articulate the complicated and evolving science on the subject.  Knowing that both vaccinated as well as unvaccinated are capable of spreading the deadly virus, we wanted to better understand the logic behind the CDC’s recommendation to test unvaccinated employees but not vaccinated ones.   

Currently, the American Center for Disease Control (CDC) suggests that vaccinated people still take precautions against the Delta variant, saying “Infections happen in only a small proportion of people who are fully vaccinated, even with the Delta variant. However, preliminary evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people who do become infected with the Delta variant can spread the virus to others.” 

Now that the Board of Supervisors has decided to implement a surveillance testing protocol for unvaccinated county employees, roughly 30% of the 2400 employees working for the county are expected to face weekly COVID-19 testing, in order to maintain a COVID-free workplace as much as possible.

Dr. Hoffman explained Thursday afternoon in a Zoom press conference with local media, that although vaccinated folks are able to get infected and are then able to transmit viral particles – this shedding happens less, and in smaller quantities compared to unvaccinated people.  Additionally, Hoffman said that vaccinated people are thought to shed and spread for a much shorter duration of time. 

We asked Dr. Hoffman to clarify this COVID conundrum. “We understand that the CDC does not recommend surveillance testing for vaccinated people unless they’re showing signs of illness, however there is concern that vaccinated people – who frequently are not symptomatic, right, even when having an active post-vaccination case of COVID – they may be bringing that virus into public areas, just inadvertently. So, please explain to what degree a vaccinated person would be capable of shedding the virus, potentially passing the virus on?”  

Hoffman again reiterated the CDC’s explanation saying, “[T]he reason for the CDC guidance around fully vaccinated people not needing to do surveillance testing…comes down to a couple of main factors. One of which is that, what we’re seeing is that they don’t spread the virus as easily as unvaccinated people. So you know, among household contacts, among close contacts, there’s a lesser frequency of the number of people who they might infect… We don’t know all the answers why that is.”  

Hoffman continued, “There’s some theories around it. You know, originally we heard things like ‘the viral load was the same in the nose of someone who was fully vaccinated versus someone who was unvaccinated’ and now we’re seeing that…while that’s probably true – those viral particles are less infectious, and maybe because of their coating of the antibodies around them – that’s much stronger in a fully vaccinated person than an unvaccinated person.” 

He explained that not only do vaccinated people likely carry less virus in quantity, but are able to more easily overcome the infection.  Hoffman went on, “The second piece of that is that the fully vaccinated people seem to be clearing the virus much quicker than someone who’s unvaccinated. So, on average, maybe only a couple of days versus that seven to ten day window that we have for the unvaccinated folks.  So there’s a longer period of time that someone who’s unvaccinated, who becomes infected, sheds the virus.” 

Hoffman next tackled the third possibility, the person who is unvaccinated, but has natural antibodies due to exposure. “As far as the post-infectious person, someone who has natural immunity – you know, the CDC currently is using the 90 days as a period of immunity, based off of a lot of the data and the studies that they have at hand.”  

We asked Dr. Hoffman, “What is the difference in the viral load with Delta, between a person who has either natural active immunity due to maybe a recent previous illness, for example, or a person who is fully vaccinated, or is unvaccinated – so for all three of those scenarios, what might be the difference in their ability to transmit the virus?”  

Delving into the topic of natural immunity against COVID-19, Hoffman explained that the understanding of the science is evolving, regarding the length of time a person carries natural immunity from SARS-CoV-2.  “There have been other countries who’ve extended that out to 180 days like the UK,” he said. “I don’t know if the CDC is looking at that, I know there’s a lot of debate in the scientific community about this, and should that be a longer time period, but it does look like that 90-day immunity is quite strong.” 

He explained, “So, these are the reasons for the policies that are implemented – both, you know, federally and statewide, and here locally. That if you were infected, and you have a known COVID-19 infection, that in that 90-day period you would not need to retest, and you would not need to quarantine if you were exposed to someone with COVID-19. 

In conclusion, Dr. Hoffman said, “You know, we have seen very few repeat infections in that time period – it’s not zero, but it’s been very low, and so the immunity at least in that time period seems to be pretty good.  The other thing I’ll just say about immunity, and I mentioned on Tuesday, is this you know, idea of the heterogeneity of natural immunity, versus the very homogeneous response to the vaccine, and so it’s predictable – the vaccine response is predictable, whereas the natural immunity response is quite a bit more unpredictable.”  

At this point, less than 1000 county employees have returned the COVID-19 vaccination self-attestation form that the county has opted to use.  Using the form provided by the county, staff were asked to check one of three boxes:  Vaccinated, not vaccinated, or decline to say.  The current method of self-attestation regarding vaccination status is an honor system of record keeping, and does not require proof of vaccination. 

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Misguidedyouth
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Misguidedyouth
2 years ago

Y ohby does he wear a mask on a zoom call I. His office ?? If that isn’t weird I don’t know what is

e fox
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2 years ago
Reply to  Misguidedyouth

The key points here are “continue to use precautions ie: masking, distancing, and frequent hand washing.” Also he mentioned the words “science is evolving.” So they are continuing to learn. Also pic just said screen grab, other people could have been in the office. I am sure the good Dr. had his reasons as he is a highly educated Dr and was using a mask for a reason

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VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  e fox

Unvaccinated people do not need weekly testing.

They need to get vaccinated.

The only reason for testing is so the Supervisors can avoid taking decisive action to control COVID in Humboldt County, and weekly testing, should not have been an “Option”…

It’s a County with no rules, no standards, and everyone is afraid, not of the disease, but of the nutcases who plaster the internet and this blog with misinformation, hyperbole and foolishness.

People in a community are expected to act in the interests of public health and safety.

County Supervisors are expected to lead and to conserve resources.

The mandate to test weekly is a sidestep, so that Michelle, Steve, Rex, Virginia and Mike won’t have to face attacks, for mandating the only sensible thing to do here, which is to take your vaccine!

Dr Hoffman is an excellent public health officer, but every Supervisor has failed to do their job!

Congratulations, Humboldt! The Whack-os have won!

Selenium Surfer
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Selenium Surfer
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

You are free to shelter in place. Your Safety And Security Aren’t The Responsibility Of Government Employees. Public Safety is a JOKE, and unless you want the government to dictate every nuance of your life, I sincerely suggest you recognize that we are holding some semblance of sanity by uploading liberties.

Unless you believe the government knows what’s best for you, you might just want to exercise your own higher intuition about the lack of transparency in matters of national security.

Just Sayin
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Just Sayin
2 years ago

The same idiots screaming trust the science and the government are the same ones that have been denouncing it for the last 20 to 30 years. It is comical, like ya you didn’t buy into the propaganda. My challenge to anyone that believes the MSM, turn off your social media, turn off your TV for one week and go live your life, wear a mask or wtf ever, just don’t follow the propaganda and let your brain reboot for one week. Then see if you still feel as strongly about the stance that has been taken for the last 2 years that has destroyed this country, and countless lives. I DARE YOU!

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  Just Sayin

Yeah, same goes to you…

Doug
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Doug
2 years ago
Reply to  Just Sayin

Exactly. These people can’t see how bad they’re being lied to. They are part of a cult and can’t even see it. But they will call us conspiracy theorists for warning them against trusting big Pharma and the gov. Its a complete joke. They will get what’s coming to them. When their immune systems fail to function because of the experiment they took…..they will be very sorry!

Innocuous Rolled Humpf
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Innocuous Rolled Humpf
2 years ago
Reply to  Just Sayin

Dude, I relate. Due to the pandemic conditions I ended up relocating to the Bay Area after 10 years in Humboldt.

I thought the Bay Area would be similar with an urban twist, never lived here before. God was I wrong. I am again, the biggest hippie around. There are zero tech averse people in my life now except my FIL, who tells everyone he meets the story of his camping/kayak trip to Happy Camp in 1983. In the Bay Area “tech averse” means like, doesn’t watch that much TV, or, ….., it just doesn’t seem to exist. When I was moving I showed my city friends my old MacBook, an artifact here, and told them “look, I will find someone who actually prefers this so they can play their DVDs.” Got a taker in arcata w/n 8 hours for exact reason described.

When people in the bay say they don’t watch TV, they mean like cable TV with traditional commercials. Arguably this is worse for an outlook than people in arcata who truly consume almost no media because as we all know the internet media is more likely to be keenly tailored to you. I chose to stop in 2018, and this website is one of the last media outlets I visit. It’s totally suspect but I feel I have to consume some of the voice of The Man, so I know what’s coming. The pandemic plan has been published from the start within the federal emergency response plan. It didn’t say exactly when the prophylactic gene therapy was going to be employed en masse, but referred to either 60-70% wild exposure rate or 60-70% “vaccine” (vaccine 2.0) herd immunity to be achieved by 18 months post pandemic.

I find it dubious that herd immunity as we know it could be achieved with genetic vaccine products. What I expect we will see is herd immunity to a variant of the virus which is already died out, after it got wiped out by the weak immunities people did gain from the products. Our loving neighbors are putting evolutionary pressure on the virus, creating vaccine-resistant variants. I won’t blame “The Vaccinated” though because the costs of nonconformity are too high for some to reasonably expect them to get over that barrier to learn the history of the development of genetic vaccines. If you are a member of a large family or social group there is likely some level of interdependence giving you a big stake in zombie chanting the straw man [it doesn’t change your DNA] as if anyone ever said that that is the definition of gene therapy.

The denial of and the obsfucation of the history and development of genetic research when people bring up the development of the prophylactic gene therapy drives me insane. I had no idea this was going on because I purposefully chose to ignore any media about it until it was on the ground. I suspected it was coming since we had the condition of entry into public schools law passed in around 2017 that effectively got rid of medical exemptions to vaccine requirements for entry to public schools. It made it so that the exemption had to be not only written by a doctor, but then signed off on by a state medical review board who never has to see the patient. I don’t trust they approve any exemption requests but perhaps they couldn’t deny it if there was a person with a severe egg allergy which was long documented. Very specific scenarios that western medicine couldn’t deny. The law is written open ended so they can add any new “vaccine” as time goes on without having to do a new act of legislature. I had a hunch as soon as I read it, but hadn’t ever heard of genetic vaccination because; well, I didn’t spend all my time in the late 90s reading Nature journals and other academic publishing.

For some reason I have yet to discover, the funding for gene therapy research was limited from late 90s through 2015. (https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fonc.2019.00297/full?fbclid=IwAR0VLEhvTpD8n1waVlNFe35VDmM3eGhgrAMX7K04kCTgEFZ2u4mkTeU84I4) What is the thing that happened in 2015? Trump was elected in 2016? Whatever the case the research appears to have picked up because new tech was achieved in recombining viruses which are used as vectors (I’m suspicious that SARS-cov-2 is a recombinant virus as well.)

Kemp took money from the Facebook Journalism Initiative. I’m sure I’m not the only Humboldt citizen who is disappointed and distrusting about that. I think it’s a low choice but she should get paid more so I can understand it.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago

C’mon..I’d cover the nearly the same COVID stories without the Facebook grant but just pay my freelancers less. (You are aware that the Facebook grant is for freelance stories almost entirely? I think I’ve gotten paid a total of $200 so far off the top of my head. I could make more writing a plea for donations. But a few local folks have gotten paid decently for stories that I would have done my best to cover anyway for the most part.)

COVID is a pandemic. I’m a reporter. I’m going to cover news like pandemics. The money encouraged some more COVID stories but Facebook has no oversight on how it is spent. Over a year ago I sent them a list of the stories I’d posted and the money spent and they probably didn’t even look at the list.

We cover anti mask and anti vaccine protests with the same passion we cover the latest COVID stats. For a short period of time I can pay my freelancers decently. Which has allowed them the freedom to cover other stories they feel passionately about cold cases, social justice issues like MMIW. All upside. No downside.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago

The funniest part is where they say that only 30% of County Employees are not vaccinated… So 30% of 2400 is 720, at (estimated) $100 each per week to test, is $72,000 PER WEEK…

Why should a bunch of ignorant slackers make the County waste up to $3.4 MILLION/year, because the Supervisors are too indecisive to take a simple action?

Do you agree that this is an appropriate use of County Funds?

It’s a simple issue, and it’s basically free to mandate immunizations!

It has nothing to do with “freedom”, “needle-rape”, Nazis, Trump, Hydroquinone or Ivermectin, it’s a Job-Requirement! Like “you must wear shoes and not come to work in pajamas!

Just wait a few more days, this isn’t over…

OH, and get a Flu Shot, although, the Flu Shot is not 100% effective, and if your snotty butt-sick co-worker comes to work and refuses to take a “sick day” because “he can’t afford it”, you might still get sick!

Every one of you COVID-Deny-ers, Lamedemic shouters, and the rest of you foolish folks, could still get COVID, even if vaccinated, that is clear, but, the point is to keep you out of the hospital, for you to not be “intubated”, and for you not-to-die, and take up space in the refrigerator truck…

Your government loves you! That’s why a vaccine was rushed into production!

Mark my words, the next step is to require ANYONE on government assistance, that’s SDI, AFDC, UI, MEDI-Cal, Medicare, GA, etc, to be vaccinated. This is being studied, people are being polled, and my opinion:

Every citizen has a responsibility to get their vaccine!

How do you think we controlled Polio?

Wake up Humboldt! The responsibility to govern lies in the Supervisor’s office, but, they have failed to do their jobs, and they all deserve to be recalled.

And the idea of “self-reporting” vaccine status voluntarily, on a piece of paper… Wow! Humboldt County really does operate in 1958 time…

Something is very fishy, up there, and it’s not the commercial fleet…

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Mr and Mrs unjabbed
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2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

We could just rely on temperature which I think is perfectly fine. If the vaccine works then nothing to worry about I mean its a why less viral load right? I mean a load of shit. I love how vaxers arguments contradict themselves plain as day.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago

With logic like that, we could prove the earth is flat, and that saltwater is a fine beverage…

Doug
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Doug
2 years ago

The “scientism” cult members will never admit they were were wrong for trusting people like Dr Fauci….the biggest snake oil salesmen of all time. They will call natural doctors quacks but insist on injecting a crazy cocktail of fetal cells, luciferase and who knows what else. The hypocrisy of the woke liberal cult is unbelievable. Low Iq dumbed down to say the least. These people are still using hand sanitizer and wearing masks, it would be incredibly hilarious if it weren’t signaling the death of free thought and this country as we know it!

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

The job requirement to take the jab was after they were already employed.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Fndrbndr

$3.4 million per year, or, free…

Which would you rather pay for?

It’s simple, the Supervisors voted to waste public funds, resources that belong to the citizens…

I can’t believe you are arguing with this…

If they want their job, their fat PERS pension, take the vaccine!

Job description: “and other duties as assigned or determined to be necessary, by the Supervisor”…

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Good luck with that

Anon
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Anon
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

COVID vaccines are ALSO not 100 % effective. i.e.( your reference to the flu shot). And good God COVID isn’t Polio. Many folks weren’t opposed to a vaccine ,it’s the mandate, the continuous moving of goalposts, the misinformation , government officials not abiding by the edicts they hand down. Can you imagine vaccinated people,masked,3rd and 4th boosters, vaxx cards ,getting tested weekly? In this insanity? I can. The only safe person to show up for life will be deceased. Wake up.

c u 2morrowD
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2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Eureka council say’s yes to vaccinations if ya wanna stay. B o s say’s no. Talk about polar differences and crossed wires.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  c u 2morrow

There you go… Welcome to Humboldt, where good sense was screwed sideways and with left handed threads right on through the looking glass…

Mr and Mrs unjabbed
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2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Vmg is upset there is no vaccine mandate. So he/she thinks redheaded bb coments will save humanity.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago

Lazy people who throw away resources always make me a bit upset, especially when they were elected to lead…

As far as commenting, I sincerely doubt that humanity is able to be saved at all, but, a seed planted can grow into something very large indeed…

So, significance in commenting, or simple trolling, as in your case…

Why should I not try to conserve the resources of a struggling place, that consistently elects people to $100,000/year jobs, when the elected persons are foolish, unqualified, and have significant and serious conflicts of interest?

As far as one commentator telling another that the other is insignificant, I find your statement to be rude, insensitive, misinformed and just silly.

Demand better from your leaders, who would rather burn $3.4 million than demand a simple vaccination for public employees…

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Connie DobbsD
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Connie Dobbs
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

You keep you ‘safe.’ It’s not anyone else’s responsibility or duty to do that for you. Unless you’re an infant or otherwise incompetent.

ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

This sums it up guys…

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SMH
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SMH
2 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

This is spot on!

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

That’s pretty good.

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

Well, this meme certainly shows the defects in understanding of anti vaxxerism. They think it’s all about them and their perceived risk of dying. They skim right over the fact that this about infecting others. And getting sick enough to spray shit they can’t control and wouldn’t if the could. Anti vaxxers tend to be the same people who refuse to wear masks. IE pants for their mouths. And insist on their right to do everything the same way as if they wore pants.

So if this meme reflected reality, what it would say is “imagine if you will that you have a 99% chance of shitting (being infected) yourself and you don’t wear pants (masks) and no one can force you to. Now imagine that your neighbors are afraid of getting sprayed by your shit, which can infect many and kill up to 10% of the older ones, but you don’t give a shit… Oh wait. Of course you give a shit. Many of them all over everyone. Because you’re infected. And don’t care about others.”

Doug
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Doug
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

LOL you are special.

Doug
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Doug
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

I have no words for your ignorance….that was the dumbest/funniest thing I’ve read in a while. Thank You. BLM

Doug
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Doug
2 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

glad to see there are people on here that understand this. TrUsT tHe ScIeNcE LOL!!!!!!!!

Pepperwood
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Pepperwood
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

You seem to forget that we have a constitution, and whackos should be commended for demanding that it be respected, regardless as to your reasons for wanting to destroy it

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepperwood

Except they constantly ignore the part of the Constitution that mentions “establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare,” and cherry pick the parts that endorse their selfish wants at other’s expense and ignores the need for general welfare. That is not respecting the Constitution. That is misusing the Constitution.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepperwood

The constitution says nothing about Pandemics, or, Vaccination. The Constitution is a very imperfect instrument which is still evolving…

Humboldt County is an extremely imperfect enigma, absolutely senseless at times, which fails to evolve 24/7/365, and in which certain individuals obviously and absolutely reject evolution as “unnatural” and “repressive”…

Unconstitutional is when Texas outlaws Abortion, an amazing feat of manipulating the law to a harmful and unfair end…

It is interesting that many have had their Homeowners insurance cancelled or sextupled in cost, but nobody is protesting that! This process is called “redlining”, and it is illegal…

I guess it’s easy to protest against getting a little shot, since it hurts!

But when you are getting royally screwed, you say nothing!

Your Supervisors have screwed the pooch here, and you people don’t seem to care…

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Pepperwood
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Pepperwood
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Except for life liberty and the pursuit of happiness

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepperwood

Not the Constitution.

FogDog
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FogDog
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Unfortunately, it’s human nature to not understand how hot the fire is until you get burned. I was very naive myself in march 2020. When or if people lose loved ones or get to a debilitating level of sick themselves they don’t understand it. It’s a product of our privileged society that hasn’t had to pull on the same rope together since WW2. Most have been very lucky to not have been touched in a significant way by the pandemic. Toilet paper shortages, little johnny being annoying at home, and more screen time is the worst they’ve seen. Its an inconvenience, not a matter of life and death for them. It’s been kept tidy in nursing homes, hospitals, and morgues. Two different realities of understanding until people see it for themselves. Vaccines are a great tool and thank god we have had them before delta, but they also give people a poor excuse to be careless and selfish. Politicians are spineless, the masses are asses, protect yourself and the ones you love and pray a worse strain isnt coming. That’s the best we can do. The stupid is too strong and there’s no cure.

Ash
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Ash
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

From the California Constitution

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Woed
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Woed
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

I wish kym would use coloring in the letter to express the mood of the author, for example a fear based post could use red letter, so I could not read comments written in fear

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Woed

In principle, I’m liking your idea!

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

I like it

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

It is disheartening that there are people who do like it. As if feeling free to violate a bunch of Kym’s rules was a good thing.

Just Sayin
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Just Sayin
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Lmfao, what happens when you get 100% compliance and are still battling this. Their is a reason this isn’t working, and you can continue to blame the unvaxd even though their own science proves it isn’t a vaccine or the least bit better effective than natural immunity. But continue with your sugar pills, they’d love to sell you more!

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  Just Sayin

How many times does it need to be repeated that no one but anti vaxxers insist that a vaccine create better than natural immunity. Just that it keeps people from dying in the process of getting natural immunity. Why do you think that getting sick as a dog and maybe dying is a better option? Why wouldn’t getting vaccinated and having a much lower chance of getting that sick when the “natural” infection comes along be a better choice. It’s not either/or. It’s what happens when.

Continue with your buying of snake oil from the people who prefer that idea. They will also sell you more. And you will think you need it forever.

GrumpyOldGuyD
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2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

If your vaccine won’t protect you, how is my vaccine going protect you…?

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

The only part of this that’s actually “experimental” is, we want to see if the epidemic can be stopped by vaccinating each person…

It is obviously impossible to vaccinate every individual, but, maybe instead of disagreeing just to disagree, we could agree to work towards a goal as a unit.

That is what Dr Hoffman is saying, and it is the thing the Humboldt County Supervisors are working against…

Old Head
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Old Head
2 years ago
Reply to  Just Sayin

Tens of millions of Americans decline to get vaccinated.

Hospitals fill up with unvaccinated Covid patients.

Anti-vaxxers: See, the pandemic is still happening! This proves the vaccines don’t work!

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Old Head

Tens of millions of Britons, Israelis, get vaccinated early

Hospitals fill up with vaccinated Covid patients.
Thousands die or are severely maimed by shots.

Vaccine cult: Get the damn jab!

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Let’s see, if a group is outnumbered, doesn’t that make that group the oddballs?

Maybe, it’s the whack-os in Humboldt, that have actually lost.

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

When is 30% more than 70%?

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Ask yourself that, when they won’t test the 70% that are vaccinated, because they’re only 50% as infectious.(35%), but they want to test 100% of the 30% that are unvaccinated. (30%).

So they decide not to test the 35% in favor of testing the 30%?

Even if the 70% vaccinated only represented the equivalent of the risk presented by the 30% unvaccinated, it would still justify testing everyone the same, until we get a handle on things.

The reasoning behind only testing the unvaccinated, is mystifying.

Are they are still trying desperately to conceal post vaccination infections.

It’s clearly to the point that the vaccinated case count could easily begin to significantly outnumber the unvaccinated case count, if only they were being tested for equally.

But, that will not be allowed.

The hard part will be, trying to maintain that illusion, the closer we get to 100% vaccination.

It should be about 50/50 already, based on what Hoffman is saying.

Not testing the vaccinated is their only hope of maintaining the appearance that the vaccination is creating less post-vaccination infections compared to unvaccinated infections, even as the clear majority of the eligible are vaccinated.

It’s deceptive.

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Juanita
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Juanita
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Agree 100%

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Like the anti vaxers?

Gomez420
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Gomez420
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

How about you take a back seat and seal those lips.
This is a free world and a scamdemic virus where 99.9% survival rate is factual information proves this all to be profiteering through the politicization of a flu.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Gomez420

Another sensible and level comment by the whack-os…

If it’s really a free world, why should I STFU?

Mr and Mrs unjabbed
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2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Unvaccinated people do not need to get vaccinated. This is a opinion based on multiple ideologies and risk vs reward benefits that each unique individual gets to make.

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Remember it’s a mandate, not a law.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Fndrbndr

Thank you for making the distinction…

Xcept, there’s not even a mandate, or even a polite suggestion…

There should be a starting point, though, and folks earning the public’s money, look like an excellent place to begin.

I really can’t imagine why people don’t want this, but some don’t ever want to be told what to do…

So was it poor parenting? Or just a bad attitude? Drugs?

We’ll never know…

There’s always outliers, but there is no point in giving up, and that’s what the Supervisor’s did…

guesst
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guesst
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Because two of my closest friends got thrombosis in their legs. One from J&J and one from Moderna. I’m lucky to still have them in my life. That’s why.

Connie DobbsD
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Connie Dobbs
2 years ago
Reply to  Fndrbndr

It’s not even a mandate; it’s a suggestion. Your job just ran with it to weed out the free-thinkers.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Yes, you do…

Mee
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Mee
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

If the vaccine works how is someone unvaccinated a danger to people that do have it? If it does not work then why force it on people. Please explain your logic to me.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Mee

It works great! I certainly haven’t gotten COVID, and neither has anyone else I know!

I did get a cold, last summer, though…

Mee
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Mee
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

You did not explain how someone else NOT getting the vaccine affects you.

Prof. Quiz
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Prof. Quiz
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

“Unvaccinated people do not need weekly testing.
They need to get vaccinated.”

Some may disagree

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Selenium Surfer
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Selenium Surfer
2 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

Who is responsiblefor all the dead people after being ventilated?

There are nurses who have said it’s just a comfortable death

Are we even asking the right questions?

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

Vaccine cult: there’s no proof it was the vaccine….derp!

Pissed off Marine
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Pissed off Marine
2 years ago
Reply to  e fox

Reason being it adds to the drama to stir the fear monger agenda.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago

Antivaxers aren’t fear mongering? That’s news to me.

Mr and Mrs unjabbed
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2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Actually we are not afraid. It’s when we are told something we don’t believe in that’s we see as a lie. Stop gas lighting and dodging. I just don’t see the goddamn point 9f getting a shot for something that has not killed me that supposedly is easy to get blah blah you know the frickin drill. How dense are you that you vaxers can’t freaking comprehend this?

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

its not a “vax”

I like stars
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I like stars
2 years ago
Reply to  e fox

The reason is theater.

Just Sayin
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Just Sayin
2 years ago
Reply to  e fox

Lmfao. Keep listening to that science that hasn’t worked for almost 2 years…………………… I get it, it helps you feel safe, but they are full of shit and want you to believe them even though time and time again their own science proves their vaccine doesn’t work how they advertised it. Yet, countless people like yourself seem to want to continue living in a way that hasn’t gotten us out of this. MAYBE, their way isn’t the way and that’s why countries are beginning to reclassify covid as the common common cold and treat the symptoms to build a stronger recovery, not suppress them and let shit fester in an asymptomatic state. Yes the science is changing because that’s what they do with it, chase shit doesn’t matter if their is tangible evidence to support their claim, they search. This has been an elitist money grab and reach for our freedoms since the scamdemic broke out. You people really think preexisting conditions just dropped off the face of the planet lmfao…………

Gavin'sComb
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Gavin'sComb
2 years ago
Reply to  Misguidedyouth

Virtue signaling.

dawni
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dawni
2 years ago
Reply to  Misguidedyouth

Get over yourself. I love my masks having been olfactory challenged since I was a toddler.
If your OK breathing in all the unseen environmental toxins, including things like off gassing plastics (don’t those hardware and big box stores smell great? sic), cheap perfumes or deodorants, and other nasty manmade smells have at it, smell away. Protecting oneself from possible virus germs, I’ll take it.

Mega me
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Mega me
2 years ago
Reply to  dawni

Cool thanks for letting us know.
But seriously , Nobody cares about your love affair with masks

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  Mega me

And that’s a problem. Not caring if you spread disease.

Connie DobbsD
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Connie Dobbs
2 years ago
Reply to  dawni

No one is preventing you from wearing a mask.

Mendocino Mamma
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Mendocino Mamma
2 years ago
Reply to  Misguidedyouth

If you work in an office or shared space with other people who may enter your space it is a requirement to be masked. He is practicing good COV8D awareness. Thank you for being a good example Dr.Hoffman ❤

Mee
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Mee
2 years ago
Reply to  Misguidedyouth

What is wrong with you? Ever hear of a computer virus? Get with the program will ya…..

Antiwoke
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Antiwoke
2 years ago

Non vaxx enter in rear of building… Yes massa.

Pissed off Marine
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Pissed off Marine
2 years ago
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Really odd that vaccinated people are so worried about folks that are 1. Unable to get the jab for medical reasons. 2. Have natural immunity. 3. Have religious beliefs not to get it. 4. Have the right to choose not to get the jab just cause.

c u 2morrowD
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2 years ago

or worried about family, friends and co workers

Connie DobbsD
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Connie Dobbs
2 years ago

There is nothing odd about wanting to reward their allies and subjugate their enemies.
Firing people from their regular employment for not getting poked frees them up to Doordash for their vaccinated betters.

Just Sayin
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Just Sayin
2 years ago

Just swap “Biden mandates” or “Newsom mandates” with “Trump mandates” and watch them fall over backwards to change directions…. it is really sad how gullible these people are without even knowing it.

Captain 'MuricaD
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Captain 'Murica
2 years ago
Reply to  Just Sayin

Overreach is overreach, whether blue or red.

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago

Why should society care for those who don’t care for it? Your reason 3 is callously misused but your reason 4 is the straw that break the camel’s back. Few would have medical justification but usually that medical justification comes with awareness of the danger of getting sick. And even fewer have any sort of religious belief that inconveniences them in any other practice. They just find it a convenient method when they are not particular about truth. But those people would not be numerous enough to keep the spread going. It’s the last group who evinced no understanding of science and can be counted on to take the worst possible course out of sheer cussedness.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

I thumb up as many of your comments as possible.

Pissed off Marine
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Pissed off Marine
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

I am sure you believe ” my body my choice ” if it meets YOUR agenda.

ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
2 years ago
Reply to  Antiwoke

Totally! It’s the modern day form of segregation.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

Yeah, right. You antivaxers are full of drama like a soap opera. Invoking the holocaust, Nazi germany, segregation, your freedumbs and having tantrums over masks and vaccines. It’s hilarious to watch. The dust getting kicked up by you guys in every thread is just that, dust in the wind… Isn’t it fun wasting your time fighting a make believe battle on Kyms site? Get a life, find a hobby, time is flying by. Seriously, is the obsession worth it?
What is the reward? Owning people who’ve been vaccinated? Owning the threads here? Cheap thrills for bored people…

Mega me
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Mega me
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

“ You antivaxers are full of drama like a soap opera. Invoking the holocaust, Nazi germany, segregation”

You mad they’re taking a page out of the Democrat playbook? That’s all we heard when trump was President .

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  Mega me

Dust in the wind…all we are is dust in the wind…

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  Mega me

And you think that is good?

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

But not this one.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  Mega me

Except Trump loves Authoritarianism and Loves all of the foreign authoritarian dictators. Wished he could be King for Life.
Biden… not so much. Nothing compared to Trump.

Freedumb
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Freedumb
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Geeeezzzz you have wasted a couple years of your life bud. Every single day worried about people getting vaccinated. 🤣🤣🤣mind your own business. Comment every day Were not getting vaccinated. Get over it. I’ve traveled all over since this. Have friends all over world. Everyone is fine. 🤣🤣🤣 you want to know the real problem??? Legalization of cannabis is going to affect you way worse. Your about to see some real suffering real soon. Every state. Every nation. Forget about covid. It’s a joke. 🤣🤣your about to see real suffering with your own eyes. Not on the television or internet. But with your eyes. I honestly hope the vaccines don’t kill you. You are really funny. I get a kick out of you complaining all the time. Seriously. No joke. I like you. But you should try to enjoy these last days. Don’t worry about other people. You are in control of nothing. But yourself 👍👍🤣

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Ahhh…the irony

Antiwoke
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Antiwoke
2 years ago

The Moderna people are saying the Pfizer people are fools that chose the wrong Vaxx & they’re not allowed in their club because they’re still dirty disease carriers. Moderna people are superior & j&j jabbers don’t even count as people at all.

Antiwoke
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Antiwoke
2 years ago
Reply to  Antiwoke

…. But if you crossbreed Modernas with Pfizers you’ll create a rare superhero that will save the world. Captain Covid!

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e fox
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2 years ago
Reply to  Antiwoke

Getting my costume made as we speak

Grumpy Old Grunt
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Grumpy Old Grunt
2 years ago
Reply to  Antiwoke

Just read that J&J loses potency after 2 months getting the shot. So why is this even being offered to begin with ?

Antiwoke
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Antiwoke
2 years ago

Maybe they enticed their victims with a free pack of cigarettes.

NoGovernment
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NoGovernment
2 years ago

It is a good fact, since the Vax shots do not stop one from getting sars-covid, then assuming they are not lying, the symptoms would be less. Therefore people that get the vax shots are more likely to transmit the virus without knowing then someone how gets major symptoms. In fact if the shot is as good as they say, there are a lot of people walking around asymptomatic that are absolutely transmitting the Virus without knowing. They should be the first to get tested. ALSO, I would like to hear what the FALSE POSITIVE AND FALSE NEGATIVE averages are for testing. Most people don’t know, but all tests have false positive and false negative results and they must absolutely be calculated into data analysis. And it’s not.

NoGovernment
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NoGovernment
2 years ago
Reply to  NoGovernment

Government, it is none of your damn business if people are vaxed or not. Stop genetically splicing shit ! You are the cause, not the non-vaxed. The Wuhan Lab should be vaporized.

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NoGovernment
2 years ago
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Yep
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Yep
2 years ago
Reply to  NoGovernment

Agreed

c u 2morrow
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c u 2morrow
2 years ago
Reply to  NoGovernment

how many hospital beds have vaccinated patients in them ?

William
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William
2 years ago
Reply to  c u 2morrow

Here are the hospital beds

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William
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William
2 years ago
Reply to  William

Here are the icu beds

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William
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William
2 years ago
Reply to  c u 2morrow

Heres the link so you can check nation wide or for each state
https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/hospital-utilization

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rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  NoGovernment

Exactly. I steer clear of the vaccine cult. They’re afraid of me but I’m more afraid of them.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

You should be.

We can give you Covid and kill you.

You can give us Covid and we go to work.

Love your Herman Cain productivity charts.

I like stars
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I like stars
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Exactly! The vaxxed go to work infected and super spread it to everyone else. Then the blame is placed on the the unvaccinated. Wokeness!

Selenium Surfer
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Selenium Surfer
2 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

The Real Brown Shirt is sheep in wolf’s clothing.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

I would call anti-vaxxers ‘sleepers’.

Herman Cain sleeper type.

So I don’t care that you think I’m awake.

I’m a bioweapon baby.

I like stars
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I like stars
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Congratulations. Now you can begin ridding the world of those you consider undesirables. Wokeness!

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Don’t let the hyberbolic reverse psychology get you in too much a jangle.

I thought we’re having fun here. Was there serious discussion I missed?

Antiwoke
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Antiwoke
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Now you’re bragging about y’all being murderers. That’s the invincible attitude y’all are walking around with, spreading your sickness. Vaxxers are the problem, not the solution

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Antiwoke

Let’s hug!

Selenium Surfer
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Selenium Surfer
2 years ago

It would be a real shame if everyone knew what the NIH and Fauci said about Chloroquine’s effect on inhibiting SARS Coronavirus in 2005.

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Connie DobbsD
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Connie Dobbs
2 years ago

Obviously he’s lying.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago

Love it! Do I hear crickets?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

Isn’t that all you hear, no matter what?

e fox
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

He might have Tinnitus

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

Why anti vaxxers get no respect…

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

TRB, EFox and AO with no response….crickets! I love it. Thanks for making my case.

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago

Another in the never ending echos of anti vaxxer misinformation. This one started 15 months ago but is just an anti vaxxer piece that never dies. SARS is not SARS-COV-2 anymore than a Texas Ranger is the same as a Ford Ranger. Hydroxychloroquine is not the same as Chloroquine. And the Virology Journal is not an official publication of the NIH. And Fauci never said it at all anyway.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-quote-hydroxychloroquine/

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

I’m waiting for SS to make the arguement regarding the “what if” the Texas Ranger was driving the Ford Ranger.

Duh!

I like stars
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I like stars
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

You forgot to add, “And Snopes is bullshit.”

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

So you find correct information to be bullshit? Not surprised.

Selenium Surfer
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Selenium Surfer
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

If you can’t think independently, what makes you any different than a computer.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-business-lawsuits-nuclear-weapons-15c0540921706abe2c0088100b644e8c

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

“SARS is not SARS-COV-2”

I’ll break it down slow for you. Covid IS a SARS virus. A Ford Ranger is still a vehichle and a Texas Ranger is still a cop.

Name change time again?

Selenium Surfer
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Selenium Surfer
2 years ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/technology/doctor-zelenko-coronavirus-drugs.html

Why do treatments that help people have to be politicized?

Have our doctors and scientists become so weaponized? Corporate hospitals refusing protocols that have been working to keep people from getting put on ventilation

SHTF
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SHTF
2 years ago

The shot almost killed my mom and my friend and killed a few coworkers neighbors but humboldt says there’s been no deaths or hospitalizations the culling has begun but here soon covid will be the last thing you’re worried about there’s about to be a madmax scenario for real.
“Chance Favors The Prepared Mind”

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  SHTF

Oh bullshit.

The Real Brian
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2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

I think this commentor is in Chicago, and referring to gun violence.

No easy answers on that one, but I sure hope they get the perpetrator.

Selenium Surfer
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Selenium Surfer
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Millions of “essential workers” will be fired today. Thrown to the curb like worthless pieces of trash. Their lives destroyed. The same people on the left praising them months ago, who put signs on their front lawns breathlessly thanking them for their heroism, are now celebrating their plight. See, the left doesn’t care about anyone or anything, just whatever benefits them at that particular moment in time. The essential workers are no longer politically advantageous for them. . Signs removed from yard

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago

The only thing in the millions is your aliases.

guesst
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guesst
2 years ago
Reply to  SHTF

I believe you 100%. I’ve seen the same thing in my circle. I’m not left or right, or anti vax. I just care about humanity.

Penny Pincer
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Penny Pincer
2 years ago

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

Pre-print study from Israel showing natural immunity is up to 13x more effective at preventing reinfection from covid.

ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
2 years ago
Reply to  Penny Pincer

There is a more recent article that says 27 times more effective, I will try to find it again

Marissa
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Marissa
2 years ago

The unvaccinated require so much coddling and extra attention it’s really getting on the nerves of the rest of us. They require their special treatment while they actively endanger everyone around them and hold us back; as it’s literally the ONLY WAY we’re gonna beat this virus.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Marissa

I didn’t realize the solution was that simple. I’ll run out and get vaccinated then. Thanks for that compelling argument.

Antiwoke
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Antiwoke
2 years ago
Reply to  Marissa

Lay off the woke tiktoks

Pepperwood
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Pepperwood
2 years ago

Good job, Kym.

It would seem, though, that public health is still months behind the data, as noted by some of the doctors opinions.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
2 years ago

Why is he wearing a mask again? He must wear it in the car alone also. Hopefully it’s just for show for his boss ,otherwise we’re in trouble. I think we’re in trouble .

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

I think you are onto something here…

Anyway, masks are bitchin’, and I loooooove the way they make me look…

And, you can go for total color coordination, like black mask, black hair, black top, black pants, black shoes… Awesome!

Connie DobbsD
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Connie Dobbs
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Black umbrella, black body armor…

Pepperwood
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Pepperwood
2 years ago

I do have a question, though, folks who think a vaccine mandate is necessary:

If a mandate was enacted, when, exactly, do you suppose the attempts to demand medical mandates for other purposes will end? Will we then, after covid, be able to resist mandates for the flu vaccine, to resist mandates for submitting genetic verification for health insurance, etc? Where does it end?

BeWise
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BeWise
2 years ago
Reply to  Pepperwood

It doesn’t. That’s the point.

Which is why the “anti vaxxers” that everyone here loves to wish death upon are actually fighting for ALL OF US.

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  BeWise

By infecting so many of us? Please stop fighting for us- you’re killing us.

Pepperwood
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Pepperwood
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

You’re very behind in data

Connie DobbsD
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Connie Dobbs
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

If only it were that easy.

Claudia Johnson
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Claudia Johnson
2 years ago

I am fully vaccinated and also had the booster I have a lot of health issues Everything changes from day-to-day It’s really hard to know what you should do and what you shouldn’t do

Mega me
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Mega me
2 years ago

You should be good. Just don’t go to any indoor parties and drink a bunch of alcohol. That’s how most people get it

BeWise
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BeWise
2 years ago

“The vaccine response is predictable”

Yes, it also seems to last about 90 days.

It’s time we stop falling for this big pharma money grab and admit that as much as we had hoped the MRNA injections would be effective- they simply are not.

ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
2 years ago
Reply to  BeWise

Let’s give them the benefit of the doubt… we shall say that it last 120 days

c u 2morrow
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c u 2morrow
2 years ago
Reply to  BeWise

I feel great

Mota Joe
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Mota Joe
2 years ago

On the one hand are the people who paid attention in class all during their childhood, did their homework, went to college, majored in biology, went to medical school for 2 more years, interned at a hospital, and then spent an entire career dedicated to protecting people from the ravages of disease. They base their opinions on science based on observations and analysis.

On the other hand are people who believe in conspiracy theories they read on the internet.

dawni
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dawni
2 years ago
Reply to  Mota Joe

Thank You. As a mother of a microbiologist who has worked long and hard for his career, spent countless hours, months, years in a lab, writing and reading those research papers I appreciate some one can recognize those individuals.
We are witnessing the dumbing down of the American educational system with all the folks who have no idea of what they are expressing concerning Real Science.

Frank
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Frank
2 years ago
Reply to  dawni

So vaccinated people won’t spread as much , and if they HAVE COVID it’s less likely to spread…, Is that COVID from a vaccinated COVID carrier, or unvaccinated covid carrier?

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Mota Joe

“On the one hand are the people who paid attention in class”

You mean like Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Robert Malone?

“On the other hand are people who believe in conspiracy theories”

You mean the vaccine cult? 

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  rollin

2 against thousands? And you pick the two. The same bloody small group day after day because that’s all you’ve got.

Selenium Surfer
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Selenium Surfer
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

There are leaders, and there are followers.

Those two doctors should be honored for not cowering away like the thousands of useful idiots who shut off their capacity to heal, and instead follow a corporate protocol that is designed to KILL.

COURAGE IS THE BACKBONE BY WHICH FREE MEN AND WOMEN STAND UP AGAINST INJUSTICE.

I’ve listened to both men state their cases for early aggressive treatment, and why the vaccines should only be given to those who really need it.

I understand the importance of recognizing what a campaign against people who speak out against the narrative, financed by big corporate media.

People need to stop such blind obedience. Or just STFU when blind obedience kills someone you love, especially when these doctors are trying to give you and I more options for success.

https://ago.nebraska.gov/opinions/prescription-ivermectin-or-hydroxychloroquine-label-medicines-prevention-or-treatment-covid

A.D
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A.
2 years ago

Thanks. Covid vaxx mandates are banned in at least 9 states, lots of scientists in those states too.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Like the thousands that signed the Rome declaration? As if consensus mattered? Maybe go learn who Galileo was; that’ll teach you something about consensus.

Galileo could be your next name change selection.

Frank
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Frank
2 years ago
Reply to  Mota Joe

How many doctors and nurses were let go because they’ve been around COVID and they still don’t want a vaccination

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  Frank

Very few nurses and even fewer doctors. More in housekeeping and food service.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/10/05/covid-kaiser-suspends-thousands-of-employees-who-shunned-vaccine-without-pay/

Antichrist
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Antichrist
2 years ago
Reply to  Mota Joe

And yet there are thousands of those same people whom passed all their tests public refusing the shots at the cost of their own jobs basically throwing all those years away because they honestly believe that there is something wrong with them, the same people who are on the front lines so to speak the health care workers whom are being fired for not getting the shots and forcing hospitals to shut down due to not having enough personal to run. Then there is newsome who begged a judge to over turn his own mandates for the states prison guards because their union donated so much moneynto his campaign . Really makes you wonder doesn’t it . Anyone can go to school and sit through classes and get a piece of paper that says they know something , however that doesn’t mean they have a ounce of intelligence it means that they can repeat what they read or were told . Dare i say it doesnt take a brain surgeon to watch actions when so many of the so called experts are preaching one thing while doing another it is no wonder a average person questions the crap being force fed to them? Like the preachers preaching on sunday and molesting little kids the other six days a week

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  Antichrist

Truly doctors in hospitals are clueless about people dying of covid-19. They are all lying and anti vaxxers should never go to the hospital when they get sick because obviously all that schooling doctors go through was just “a piece of paper.” Please…

I like stars
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I like stars
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

You know what they call the person who finished dead last in his/her class at medical school?

Doctor.

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

And the point is made…

Antichrist
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Antichrist
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

yeah well then why are doctors and nurses refusing the shots ? Basic common sense seems to elude a lot more than the word common suggests

Selenium Surfer
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Selenium Surfer
2 years ago
Reply to  Antichrist

This is a brute force attack on our systems.

Our personal. (Physical, emotional,Mental)
Our financial.
Our educational.
Our families and friends and community are divided.
Our political is running roughshod over just about everything it can in the name of safety and security.

Let’s go Bronson

Mega me
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Mega me
2 years ago

Thank you for asking these questions, Ryan.

Juanita
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Juanita
2 years ago

Since testing does not introduce a 5g chip or anything else into your precious body, why would anyone object?

Frank
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Frank
2 years ago

So because you CAN spread it But not as easy so we won’t test you.

wtf
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wtf
2 years ago

I’m stunned that at this point in the pandemic this question actually needs to be asked. How could anyone not have already known the answer to this question?

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
2 years ago

Doesn’t Humboldt get any federal funds, even if pass-through from state? If so, doesn’t that make Humboldt a federal contractor thereby making an employee vaccine requirement mandatory and the weekly testing alternative unallowable?

Gomez420
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Gomez420
2 years ago

So basically, do as the CDC says, even if it is stupid af.
What a ass clown. Maybe someone should tell him that masks have been proven in over 30 studies to not work to protect from this virus and that his political mask theater sitting in his own space on a virtual call with a mask on shows how idiotic his type are.

MariahgirlD
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Mariahgirl
2 years ago

I am really tired of all of the Covid crap. We were told to get vaccinated and then you won’t have to wear a mask. We got vaccinated and still have to wear a mask, but not in every county in California. What good does a thin piece of paper or a thin piece of fabric do? I can honestly say I don’t blame people for not wanting to be vaccinated because most of the people I know that had Covid said it was just like a regular case of the flu. I am sick of wearing a mask!

Crikey!
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Crikey!
2 years ago

Why do so many people want to willingly be vectors of disease during a global pandemic? Yes, the unvaccinated can still catch COVID, but the unvaccinated aren’t causing others to die because they can’t access health care. The unvaccinated represent a fraction of the deaths and hospitalizations. End of debate.

Captain 'MuricaD
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Captain 'Murica
2 years ago
Reply to  Crikey!

I can’t really speak for the unvaccinated, but I suspect that a lot of them just don’t want the government making their health decisions for them.

“my body, my choice” amirite?

William
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William
2 years ago

Thanks for asking these questions, finally. Too bad they weren’t really answered. They really dont want to answer anything about natural immunity or about the vaccinated infecting others.

1crazymfD
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1crazymf
2 years ago

California sit-out 10/18/21
Teachers and Students k-12 to stay home to protest the COVID vaccination mandate on students.
A mostly peaceful protest at 10:00 am at the capitol

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
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Where they can freely spread infections among like minded citizens.

Antiwoke
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Antiwoke
2 years ago
Reply to  Nooo

Just say nooo to drugs

jacalope
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jacalope
2 years ago

Recall Bushnell

nevertrustacop
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nevertrustacop
2 years ago

the “officials” never actually answer the question and the “journalists”always accept the poilitician speak as if anything of substance at all was said. tinpotdictator puke.

Fed Up
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Fed Up
2 years ago

So…why do vaccinated people need to wear masks?

Big rick
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Big rick
2 years ago

“Surveillance testing”, huh? Look at that wording.

Laura Hall
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Laura Hall
2 years ago

Ok so I am anti creepy sneaky government. I wear a mask when out among the populace. I use hand sanitizer upon leaving any establishment. I don’t do gatherings and I don’t stand up people’s ass in line not do I tailgate. What I’ve gathered,and yes I am paranoid, is that at every corner there is something always dividing us, pitting you against me. I see this everywhere and I think it’s done to keep people from seeing what’s really going on. Look at how fucked up everything is I mean look with your own eyes, turn off fox fake news all our news is a script with little variation. Newscasters haven’t a clue about investigative journalism etc etc blah blah blah. My thought is let’s try to work on NOT being divided and work respectively to get shit back on track cleaning out corruption in our local, state,federal,global governments as that is patriotism in the true sense, healing our planet which isn’t going to support infinite growth on the ponzi scheme. And fuck being distracted by all the bullshit that the powers that be keep creating to keep us enslaved so that they can keep jacking off in our faces. There I said it and yes I’m paranoid.

Doug
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Doug
2 years ago

what happened to my body my choice? It only applies when your murdering unborn babies? Thats the thing with the left…they can’t for the life of them see how hypocritical they are. They only believe what is convenient to them. Ya keep trusting these corrupt companies and gov. See where it gets you. And no I’m not a Fox News watching conservaSive. Just a guy who can think. Wait hold on let me re word this for you, I identify as someone who use my brain. Its ok pretty soon all you commies will be gone from the “side effects” of the experiment.

Nooo
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Nooo
2 years ago
Reply to  Doug

When another person can catch an abortion from someone who gets one, as happens when an infected person spreads disease, that might be a point. The only connection those two issues have now is that you’re angry over both. Why do you think it’s just fine to enforce your will on others over abortion but not accept others to enforce their will on you over vaccination is just irrational.

Selenium Surfer
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Selenium Surfer
2 years ago

Ok

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago

They need you to connect to 5G to rob you. Graphene nano bots yo.

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago

Because Bill Gates (antichrist?) wants EVERYONE vaxxed. By inconveniencing the Christian elect who refuse the mark, they can “get everyone vaccinated.”

lol
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lol
2 years ago
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You forgot the reptilians.

e fox
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2 years ago

https://www.axios.com/5-times-as-many-police-officers-have-died-from-covid-as-from-guns-since-pandemic-began-afddf37d-d97a-4058-b731-6104754701a4.html.
Why it matters: Nearly 476 police officers have died of COVID-19 since the pandemic started, compared to the 93 deaths as a result of gunfire in the same time period, according to ODMP and CNN.

Driving the news: Many police officers across the country are refusing the COVID-19 vaccine and ignoring local mandates to get vaccinated.

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Ash
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Ash
2 years ago

https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/US10703789.pdf

Pg 46

Question to Dr Hoffman, what is Luciferace what is it’s purpose in the covid shots, why is it in the patent documents on the Moderna site? Why is it not in the pamphlets as an ingredient for covid shots, because it is not in the pamphlets with the shots does that violate informed consent regulations?

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