County Supervisors Vote Unanimously Against Vaccine Mandate but Will Require Weekly Testing of Unvaccinated Staff
Humboldt County’s Board of Supervisors decided against a vaccine mandate for County employees on Tuesday afternoon. “Over four hours of frequently searing debate over a vaccine mandate which would decide the inoculation fate of an unknown number of yet unvaccinated County employees…” The Sups decided not to issue an outright vaccine mandate for County employees, instead opting to implement a weekly testing protocol to screen for cases among unvaccinated staff.
The meeting offered a passionate debate, consciously steered by board members away from political discourse in favor of circumstantial considerations of the community, such as staffing or lack thereof. This new weekly testing requirement is not extended to vaccinated staff, to the disappointment of Second District Supervisor Michelle Bushnell. Bushnell wanted to screen all employees for COVID-19 infection, as opposed to only testing those who are unvaccinated. Bushnell asked multiple times why it was not advisable for all employees to be screened, in light of current facts and science demonstrating that vaccinated community members also transmit the virus if infected, albeit at a significantly reduced rate, as Dr. Hoffman reiterated.
Later in the meeting, Bushnell asked, “With the idea of testing, the idea is to not have people come into our work area that are testing positive, but if we’re only testing the unvaccinated, it sounds like the spread is just as much with unvaccinated people.” Hoffman responded, explaining that those who are vaccinated experience less serious symptoms, and said spread is “significantly less, 50% or more, if someone is vaccinated.”
Later, Bushnell asked for further clarification from the Health Officer, asking “what happens with the mask thing? Does it go away?” Bushnell continued, insisting that testing all staff would make sense, considering that both vaccinated and unvaccinated are able to be infected as well as spread the virus, although at lesser rates. Bushnell asked for clarification as to why testing would not be recommended for both groups, and reiterated, “I don’t understand the halfway part. I don’t.”
Dr. Hoffman repeatedly mentioned that testing vaccinated individuals who are not showing symptoms and don’t believe they have been exposed – for example, as a regular screening test – is not recommended by the CDC, but Hoffman did not offer any further insight as to why this level of comprehensive testing for screening purposes is not being advised when it comes to those who are vaccinated.
The Choices
The options presented to the County Board of Supervisors offered either no change in protocol, a full vaccine mandate for county staff, or a weekly COVID-19 testing option without a vaccine mandate.
Option #1 was described simply as “Status Quo” and would have continued to follow State, Federal and Public Health guidelines and orders in place as currently.
Option #3 was the vaccine mandate, which would have required county staff to get vaccinations across the board. The Supes were informed via the staff report provided, that “Federal and state law make it clear that employers may require employees to receive an FDA-approved vaccination against COVID-19 infection so long as the employer does not discriminate against or harass employees or job applicants on the basis of a protected characteristic, provides reasonable accommodations related to disability or sincerely-held religious beliefs or practices, and does not retaliate against anyone for engaging in protected activity such as requesting a reasonable accommodation.”
Option #4 would require that new hires to the County workforce, including for the Sheriff’s Department, would need to get vaccinated as a condition of employment. Supervisor Bass was hesitant to vote on this issue before learning more from Sheriff Honsal, while Madrone suggested that all county employees should be treated the same in regard to testing or vaccination standards.
Supervisor Bass pointed out that new hires in most contexts often face changes in circumstances when accepting terms of new employment. Bushnell flatly rejected the idea of supporting a vaccination mandate, saying “I will not vote for a vaxx mandate for new hires.”
When asked for his input on the subject of new law enforcement recruits, Sheriff Wiliam Honsal was not in favor of option #4 due to potentially losing interested transfers to Humboldt County because of a vaccination requirement. “I honestly don’t recommend that. I think it does diminish our pool.” He went on, “ I just don’t want a vaccine mandate to prevent new hires to want to come work for the County of Humboldt.”
Madrone indicated he was leaning away from this requirement for new hires, but the discussion was ultimately kicked down the proverbial county road to be addressed by the board at a later date.
UNANIMOUS VOTE
Option #2 was the winner, and requires weekly COVID-19 testing for unvaccinated county staff. According to the written report to the board, “This option would require employees to verify with the county whether they are vaccinated, and if unvaccinated, would need to submit to weekly testing.”
The board was told that this option would be the most expensive and labor-intensive, due to the volume of testing that would likely need to be done. The board was advised that “regular testing by county employees could overwhelm” our local OptumServe COVID-19 testing resource. The report says it is “not possible to order testing resources for all county employees from commercial and big box retailers.”
As outlined in the staff report provided to the board of Supervisors, the three different kinds of testing offered in this scenario would be either 15-minute rapid test, the Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) testing with results returned within 24 hours up to 2 days, or antibody testing, which would measure a person’s immunity response level.
Testing could be “deployed” within hours via mobile on-site and drive-through sites. The cost is quoted as a maximum of $150 per person for a single 15-minute rapid test, or for a PCR test, the insurance may be billed directly. This option notes that CAl-OSHA has standards that are expected to be met. The board was advised in writing, “Cal/OSHA’s Emergency Temporary Standards, as well as follow up permanent standards, require the county to have an organizational infrastructure to track and maintain vaccination records.” This second option would also entail purchases of personal protective equipment (PPE) (such as N95 masks, and sanitizer) for individuals who are “exempt from a vaccination requirement.” The report notes that these inevitable PPE costs are unknown at this point.”
Dr. Hoffman Touted the effectiveness of the vaccine, saying that the Public Health Department supports any efforts to increase vaccination rates across the county. “unvaccinated are 11 times more likely to be hospitalized or die from COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated.”
Linda Le, the director of Human Resources for the County, noted for the board that, since March of 2020, COVID-19 has affected local functions and government operations, and prompted mitigation measures such as masking and distancing. Those efforts have been effective in reducing COVID-19 exposure in the workplace, Le asserted. Offering a ‘risk management perspective’ to the county supervisors, Le reported the workplace data tracking COVID cases in county workers showed a total of 83 cases that were reported since September of 2020, when the state began tracking this date. In June of 2021 the County only had recorded 2 cases of county employees who reported being sick with COVID, in July the county recorded 9 cases, and then in August alone there were a total of 31 cases recorded among county staff during the County’s Delta surge. In August, twenty of those 31 cases voluntarily self-reported that they were vaccinated, according to Le.
Connie Beck, Health and Human Services director strongly recommended Option #1 – to maintain the status quo in regard to vaccination mandates. Beck said, “As an administrator, I can’t recommend anything other than option #1 at this point.” Beck went on to say that the department is critically understaffed. “DHHS’ overall vacancy rate…right now is 23% – that’s 324 positions in Health and Human Services.” She also mentioned that “out of all of our employees – 3% of the employees, or 38 – have tested positive since the start of the pandemic.”
In regard to the County’s preferred method of self-attestation, Le specifically noted that although every county employee was asked to provide a document – saying that they were either vaccinated, unvaccinated, or declined to say – out of the 2400 total county staff, only 957 returned the county’s form. That is 37% of the county workforce having provided the self-attestation form indicating their individual vaccination status, according to Le.
Humboldt County’s Sheriff and Coroner William Honsal gave his feedback to the board, weighing in favor of status quo, but stopped short of agreeing with a mandate. Honsal suggested the county had earned a round of applause for it’s response to the pandemic in general. “We are coming out of our latest surge – and yes, we did have some county employees that did test positive. That is going to be indicative of people getting sick at work. This happens in our congregate facility during the flu season as well.” Honsal went on to agree with Beck, referencing what he called the county’s staffing crisis, calling for the board to maintain status quo, and not make any changes for county employees.
Sheriff Honsal cautioned the Supes that a mandate would cause the Sheriff’s department a significant level of grief, and warned of a possible loss of staff.“It is going to be a logistical nightmare for someone to actually get out there to make sure all people are tested,” he told the Supervisors. “[W]hat are you going to do? Are you really going to fire people for not adhering to this? And then what is the process for that to happen? As the police bill of rights… it takes a lot, and due process to fire someone, and give proper notice. And so that is something you all should be considering. That is going to be a very difficult process for us to do that.”
District Attorney Maggie Flemming weighed in, not agreeing with the mandate. Fleming also preferred to maintain the status quo, and noted the staffing shortage facing many of the County’s departments.
Supervisor Bass asked for more specific feedback as opposed to ‘anecdotal” information regarding people quitting jobs as a result of a vaccine mandate.
Honsal responded, “Just to answer Supervisor Bass’s question, just so you know, we have received a lot of inquiries from cities and counties that have put vaccine mandates in place, and we actually are having people apply to us because their employer is requiring vaccines.”
In regard to running the testing operations, the County’s Public Health Director Michelle Williams, “We do not have existing staff to take this on right now.” Williams suggested that it would be an employer policy, and therefore would fall on the shoulders of the County’s HR Department to coordinate, and would not be the responsibility of the County’s Public Health operations.
There are some County employees, according to Stephens, who are currently refusing to comply with regular testing requirements as well as being negligent in completing what is called a “declination form” that simply asserts that a particular employee declines to get vaccinated. Supervisor Wilson suggested that an employee manual would be one way to assert the standard of being vaccinated, saying, “We’re not reinventing the wheel.”
As a point of clarification, Supervisor Bass asked about staff who work remotely – 100% remote employees would not be required to test, unless they needed to come into the public work space. The exact number of county staff currently working remotely was not known off hand.
Supervisor Madrone expressed disappointment in the quality of discourse coming from the public comment section of the meeting, agreeing with Bohn as he noted that “threats of being recalled don’t sit well with anyone.” Madrone made mention that in the weeks leading up to the meeting on this topic, ¾ of the feedback he received was from county employees who expressed support for mandated vaccinations, but that this was not reflected in the public comment calls.
Many of the public comment calls were adamant that the VAERS website offered information and validated concerns of vaccine opponents. However, VAERS accepts unverified reports submitted from any source, after any vaccination, and therefore consists of a wide range of described experiences. The CDC offers information, monitors adverse events reported following vaccination, and maintains that the vaccines available are safe and highly effective. The CDC explicitly states, “Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.”
Several callers during the public comment period made reference to the Nuremberg Code, asserting that “forced vaccinations” would be a violation of human rights and personal liberties. However, vaccinations are currently mandated in order to have a number of jobs and attend most schools. A 1905 ruling in favor of mandatory vaccinations made by the US Supreme Court noted, “Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own [liberty], whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others.” Or in much simpler terms, the ruling is simply a restatement of the old adage that ‘My right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins.’
The meeting was adjourned with an understanding that details and logistics would be worked out in coming days and weeks with input from the county’s Human Resources Department.
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If you want COVID to go on forever, keep these Supervisors.
The Humboldt County Supervisors are unfit to serve.
Someone has to set the standard, someone has to reject fear.
The vaccine is the best tool we have: use it!
Yep.
Drugs, not hugs.
They are rejecting fear, it’s strange how you see the world .
There’s no better way to describe embracing empirical evidence over emotional-based political allegiance. We unfounded fear of vaccination specifically is what’s being rejected here.
Saying other people are Fearful is a coping mechanism.
We are all afraid of something in this situation. the exact something is different depending on what side of the debate you are on, but it is fear all the same. I don’t know if it is a coping mechanism to say others you don’t agree with are fearful while not admitting your own fears, but I will say it is not very honest with one’s self and even disingenuous.
What?
The supervisors must be reading the comment ( COVID)section on kym kemp ,it’s so free , it’s actually just full of misinformation. The supervisors fail to understand the potential of this decision and it’s impacts on constituents health and county employees!! I am flummoxed by this decision.Having a healthy workforce and saving the county money should be the priority! I will be calling my supervisor!
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/09/19/long-covid-affecting-a-third-of-people-after-covid-19-coronavirus-infection-cdc-mmwr-study-finds/?sh=5df8012660e2
The “long” in Long Beach, California, doesn’t stand for long Covid. But a study just published in the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (MMWR) showed that long Covid may be affecting quite a few people in Long Beach. A survey of Long Beach residents who had tested positive for the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) revealed that about a third still had health problems two months later.
The same third who had health problems before infection?
” During the last meeting, there were parents or concerned citizens that voiced misinformation to you. They said that COVID was basically over and that healthy people do not die. When they were sharing this information, their opinions, the fact was, I was sitting next to my healthy daughter’s deathbed.”
https://news.yahoo.com/her-10-old-died-covid-100132846.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
And who were getting by UNTIL they got Covid? Guess what: almost all of us have SOME sort of health problem, often undiagnosed, and can live our lives until something like Covid hits. Covid IS the “cause of death”, just as sure as a train hitting a fat guy who smokes was killed by the train.
“just as sure as a train hitting a fat guy who smokes was killed by the train”
Fat guy smoking on the tracks needs his freedom taken away.
Definitely taken off all transplant lists.
You see, it’s clear that the fatguy smoking on the tracks is the wake up call for a civilization in decline.
At least you’re consistent in your inability to process information
Let’s get one thing straight, Elvis, I love my fellow humans until they start acting like rabid dogs.
The only merciful thing to do, to a rabid dog is to put them down asap.
Let’s be honest, here, humans have been a resource to be exploited, and I’ve seen enough shit hole countries post communism, to know that as long as we have enough common sense to leave each other alone, we will be fine.
Remember your grandparents telling you stories about the family that came through Ellis Island looking for the opportunity to be a part of the most incredible exploding economy on the planet?
Think about how your great grandparents would feel if they could see what their progeny have become.
“If you want COVID to go on forever, keep these Supervisors”
You lose all credibility with a statement suggesting that if current BOS retained = covid going on (here) forever.
Covid will go on forever. Its a virus, that mutates quickly just like tbe flu. Vaccines dont wipe viruses off the face of the earth.
So OptumServe has a bus option that can test 600+/- people a day. Our county has had the option to get one since last December. Hell, some counties have 2 so they can test as many people as they can.. There are full sized busses and mini busses too.
Del Norte had a mini bus that could test 84 a day
“The United States thrives off of feigned and factitious disorder. Have you ever wondered why that is?”
Scarlet Jei Saoirse
Our smug class is semi-literate?
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Optum is providing testing for the entire state. They can provide as many fixed sites and busses that a given County requests, so the statement that this amount of testing will overwhelm the Optum services isn’t true.
No liability from Big Pharma, trickle down hill to whether or not your town has little tyrants running it.
Most conservatives are against government regulation anyway and believe that markets should regulate corporations. Therefore I don’t see why any conservative would have a problem with allowing the manufacturers of the vaccines to suffer the consequences of any ill effect via the markets.
Besides the fact that “ fiscally conservative “ Republicans had no problem with the tax breaks for the rich and corporations that the Trump administration gleefully passed.
This not rich person got a break from those taxes too.
Because being for less government regulation does not mean being for a free for all either. The government does some things very poorly. A free market does some things very poorly. The rational person sees the need for letting which ever do what they do best but not for ideology to allow them to do what they do very badly.
No war lords, no communists. Not that history shows those are mutually exclusive at all.
I like these types of comments AO. I wish you would be more reasonable like this in your covid posts. Love, an “auntie-vaxxer.”😉
Well, there you go…
The Nut-Jobs and the crazy people always win, in Humboldt…
Listening to Michelle Bushnell and following her pathways and leanings will only carry the place to destruction…
Nuremburg? 1905? VAERS?
What the fuck are they even talking about?
Humboldt has one of the most qualified and sensible Medical Officers in the industry, but the Supervisors are not listening… Why are the Supervisors even in charge of Medical issues?
Vaccine Mandates are required, because certain idiots won’t take their vaccine! Now the leaders of your County are siding with the idiots!
That’s the end of it. The Supervisors are idiots too!
Your hospitals are cram-full of un-vaccinated patients. Soon, there will be a New-York Style salary required for the few travel-nurses willing to actually come to Humboldt, and folks, people like me, healthcare workers who are older and wiser, will not work in Mendocino, Humboldt, Trinity or points North, at all.
Your County has a responsibility to enforce health mandates, and, your Supervisors have a responsibility to lead effectively and with regard to the public good.
Clearly, every Supervisor currently occupying space in the Supervisor’s chambers, drawing a salary to lead the County by act and deed, has betrayed you!
Every Supervisor has shown that they don’t care about the citizens or the County, and that all they care about is their salaries and their positions!
Every Supervisor on the Board needs to be RECALLED.
If people won’t get vaccinated, if the County won’t act, the pandemic will drag on forever, the county will economically go down the tubes, and the State of California will be forced to act.
Get vaccinated now! THIS ISN’T A POLITICAL ISSUE!
RECALL THE HUMBOLDT COUNTY SUPERVISORS!
Totally agree with you.
Honsal is Humboldts big issue.
Get rid of that child.
Quit drinking the kool-aid , covid is as serious as cancer. It’s just part of life ,just like cancer or heart disease, you can’t stop people from going to McDonald’s, or maybe you will someday, but hopefully they always have the option. Covid is ridiculous, just attended a few super spreader events 2 weeks ago , no covid, what gives?
Your right of course and I see some of the callers in were threatening recall.. Yes mentioning Nuremberg Code and Vaers sounds like some of the people here were calling in. These people are getting scary This is fascism rearing it’s ugly head. Using bullying tactics and spreading misinformation to get their way
GUARANTEED!
If they all agree on something, it’s the wrong thing to do.
Mrs Bushnell needs to sit still and not talk.
“Mrs Bushnell needs to sit still and not talk.”
Exactly. How dare she request the vaccinated be tested! Especially if they use the same PCR cycle as they do on the heretics! That might reveal the uselessness and therefore riskiness of a “vaccine” you’ve been mindlessly advocating with religous fervor. That wouldn’t look good!
They do use the same number of cycles during PCR. And “the same cycle”. I’m sure you were referring to the number of rounds of amplification but I understand you’ve only ever heard of PCR recently through conservative news sites.
What part of “although at lesser rates” was in a foreign language that was incapable of being understood? “When infected with the delta variant, a given contact was 65 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine… The risk of transmission from a breakthrough infection was much higher if someone had received just one dose of either vaccine.” https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583
The people who are treating vaccination with “religious fervor” are the anti vaxxers who, like like snake handling Pentacostals, think risking people’s lives is some sort of moral test and only the evil, weak or faithless ever pay the price. But of course they then insist it is immoral of the people they put at risk to even suggest not saving them when they get sick.
If everyone is vaccinated, nobody will need to be tested…
Simple economics demand vaccination versus repeated testing.
The people who talk about “cycles” are cracking me up… Medical Testing is hardly a subject for this forum, or for the opinions of the great unwashed…
Well I doubt that either. Anyone who is sick with symptoms that might be covid needs a test.
“If everyone is vaccinated…” This is never going to happen. This has become a polticial issue and there is distrust for good reason. Using force (aka mandates, “or else”) is going to lead to increased social disruption and that is going to have far greater consequences than Covid for the majority of the population. Just my opinion, but also seems to be the opinion of many others.
Also, our county is hanging on BY A THREAD. If staff choose to leave their position over a mandate (and many would/will), we will end up in even worse shape. Not everyone is about life at all costs, many value quality of life as well. Things are not as black and white as we like to make them out to be.
Also, it’s been, what, almost a year since the vaccine rollout? And only 36% of the world is fully vaccinated. And we live in a global society. People coming and going from all over the place by land, sea, and air.
Everyone agrees this is endemic. Let’s not cause a civil war over this, people. If you’re high risk, get your boosters if you feel that makes you safer and continue to use precaution. Force is not the answer, for so many reasons.
I applaud our supervisors and the decision that was made, and also support supervisor Bushnell in her push to test everybody. Research continually shows the vaccinated transmit infection. Makes perfect sense to me and this “recommendation by the CDC” is nothing more than push to get people vaccinated by making it inconvenient for them not to and is not based on science or reason, hence Hoffman’s inability to form an argument.
This again breeds issues of distrust. It causes people to question if this is really about public health because if it was, we would be testing everybody. These issues of trust that keep popping up will keep many people from ever getting this vaccine. Also, I have talked to many friends who are fully vaccinated who have decided they will not be getting boosters, ever. So yeah, this county, state, country, world will never reach 100% vaccination without a massive amount of violence, and then what’s the point if the point in the first place is to save lives?
And we can all stop wearing masks and socially distancing, too. It’ll be Nirvana.
Why? Because men are talking?
You must be joking?
Here, since you like memes.
LOL! Soooo spot on!
Of course, like every bit of anti vaxxer thinking, an illogical irrelevant meme is totally the way they see complex uncertainties.
Illogically irrelevant? Explain.
Really? OK, knowing from experience you are not going to be reasonable, I’ll treat you as if you are anyway. That meme assumes fascism is defined by commercial and government collaboration in order to coerce on behalf some factor other than race, nationality or religion. A government that uses its law making to advance a commercial interests might be a commercial oligarchy but it is not fascism in the absence of favoring one of those defining features. Such a meme maker is unaware of what both fascism and anti fascism are. They are conflating authoritarianism, which can be on behalf of any agenda, with fascism.
[Accidental edit: my apologies] Government, merging with corporations, to mandate laws for the purpose of benefitting the collective IS nationalism, fascism. You rebranding it as “commercial oligarchy” doesn’t change anything.
“They are conflating authoritarianism, which can be on behalf of any agenda, with fascism.”
See what I mean? Another backfire. Fascism IS, obviously, a form of authoritarianism. Splitting linguistic hairs in your effort to be demeaning you have, once again, only made yourself look foolish. Time for another name change?
You’ve stepped fully through the funhouse mirror. Fascism = allowing people to make their own health care choices?
No, telling your boss you won’t get the ‘vid shot is authoritarianism. Try to keep up.
Not that the other sides of such debates avoid the same tactics.
“VAERS?”
Enlighten us all on VAERS. We’d love to hear it. Crickets……..
From the article….However, VAERS accepts unverified reports submitted from any source, after any vaccination, and therefore consists of a wide range of described experiences. The CDC offers information, monitors adverse events reported following vaccination, and maintains that the vaccines available are safe and highly effective. The CDC explicitly states, “Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.”
Do you have a point? Rhetorical question.
VAERS is controlled by CDC, CDC is controlled by the Government. CDC has shown their lack of transparency and along with Dr Fauci’s lack of honesty makes for public distrust. This administration’s failure has caused further distrust of our government. The Government does not take into account people’s reluctance to take this vaccine comes from their stance that it was questionable and they would not take it. Then all of a sudden it is completely safe because of a new president? Too many facts are being called misinformation and medical professionals are being doxed for raising opinions differing from the government’s agenda. Biggest question is, if it is safe, why are the big pharmaceutical companies still not responsible for it’s adverse results?
“The Government does not take into account people’s reluctance to take this vaccine comes from their stance that it was questionable and they would not take it. Then all of a sudden it is completely safe because of a new president?”
Nothing even similar to that happened. Are you living in an alternate timeline?
What lack of honesty from Fauci?
From wiki,
The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP or NVICP) was established by the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA), passed by the United States Congress in response to a threat to the vaccine supply due to a 1980s scare over the DPT vaccine. Despite the belief of most public health officials that claims of side effects were unfounded, large jury awards had been given to some plaintiffs, most DPT vaccine makers had ceased production, and officials feared the loss of herd immunity.[1]“”
So we have antivax conspiracy theorist to thank for pharmaceutical companies not having liability for errors in vaccine design and manufacturing. Of course they are not completely free of all potential liability under this law.
Just like the fda continues to assert that glyphosate is safe and effective despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, including enough evidence to cause multiple juries to find its manufacturer liable for the harm it causes.
But yes, definitely the fault of those who were harmed that the pharmaceutical lobby threatened congress into releasing them from liability for harm that their products may cause.
That is the same nonsense that anti vaxxers seem to constantly repeat. They would love to sue vaccine makers out of existence but are frustrated by the vaccine compensation law that recognizes vaccines are a human good that needs to be kept available to everyone despite its occasional negative effects.
Kym, are you sure that your new system has not allowed more multiple identities. How could so many repeat the same nonsense so exactly without being the same person? I hate the idea of having a TRB obsession with it but I don’t remember so many using the same exact words previously.
LoCo kicked out a number of their commenters. They came here. Yes, I suspect some of sharing the same root identity. No, I don’t have proof.
Angie C can tell you.
I get the distinct impression that she doesn’t approve of the comments section on this site
Fat lot she can do about it from Ft. Dick.
The more you interact with the couple, the more you get to know them.
It’s like hunting mushrooms.
First hour your eyes are adjusting.
Rest of the day all you see is mushrooms.
It’s not obsessive to be observant.
Thanks for your honesty.
None of you have ever provided any evidence that vaers is doing anything other than underreporting adverse reactions. I’ve posted multiple studies as well as various anecdotal accounts that indicate that vaers represents a fairly dramatic undercount of actual adverse reactions.
The only counter argument is that a bunch of doctors who openly do not believe that vaccines can cause adverse events say that they dont
I know what VAERS is. My comment was to VMG, who was mocking VAERS, and apparantly has no clue.
The “vaccine” cult ignores 7500 deaths, in America alone, in an explicitly UNDERREPORTED VAERS system. That is in LESS than a year! The average of deaths a year from ALL vaccines combined is around 160! Who in their right fucking mind can ignore this and insist you take this poison!
One of the reasons the county economy is suffering is because the county is doing very badly with a high positivity rate as compared to the av for CA. Visitors and residents don’t go out because they are afraid the ignorant anti vaxxers will make them sick! This is a pandemic people FG’sS!!!
You don’t live here. This has nothing to do with you. There are plenty of places in California that will follow your suggestion of attempting to force all of their residents to accept these injections. You are free to stay in or move to any of those places so that you can feel comfortable.
If you do not like the choices that the people who actually live in this community make then you are free to stay away. There is literally no reason anyone would have to come to this county. It’s a choice [edit]
I find it odd that tens of thousands of health care workers whom work with and around covid positive people refuse to get the jab at the cost of their own jobs. These are medical professionals who would rather be fired than to have that shit shot into their bodies, now explain to me how one medical professional can be fore it and another against it if it is all so safe and does such a wonderful job
The board was advised that “regular testing by county employees could overwhelm” our local OptumServe COVID-19 testing resource. The report says it is “not possible to order testing resources for all county employees from commercial and big box retailers . So….they can’t test everyone but it’s required. ???? Also at the front of the article they say 2400 employees are unvaxed. So nobody is vaccinated? How do they know this if only 37% of the employees returned the form asking that question and some could have just replied no comment? Am I missing something here?
DHHS Assistant Director Michelle Stephens said that about 700 of the department’s 1,100 employees are already required to be vaccinated or get tested weekly, per the state health officer’s order, issued in August. About 50 of those 700 have yet to be vaccinated, so they’re getting tested weekly, and another 50 are on leave, Stephens said.
https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2021/oct/12/supervisors-approve-policy-requiring-weekly-testin/
I work for the county, and was never given a form asking any of these questions.
Doesn’t matter now. You will be required to give the information per the Supes decision
Not to mention the bill for continuously testing 2400 employees…
Mrs Bushnell clearly does not understand a single thing about managing a serious infectious disease and should recuse herself from any medical discussion. Every time she, the most junior supervisor, is quoted, she reveals her lack of cognizance and her low intelligence. She is unfit to serve, incompetent to lead.
Allowing pot-farmers who are extremely self-serving and corrupt to determine standard of medical care and public health policies is completely insane.
Every current Supervisor should be recalled.
Hey! If you want to get COVID, travel to, work in, and do business in Humboldt County, where the leaders are too irresponsible and crooked to require even County Employees to be vaccinated.
It’s the same set of County employees we’ve had since 2019. Are you accusing them of giving us the ‘vid?
Well, Connie, I normally wouldn’t respond to your comment, but the Supervisors are County Employees too!
Every time Mrs Bushnell says “I don’t understand”, she reveals the fact that she is not informed enough, educated enough, or intelligent enough to lead a county!
Michelle Bushnell joins Rex Bohn in the category of “Unfit to Serve”, and “Not Qualified” for her position.
Of course, any person refusing to be vaccinated can spread the disease, and, vaccinated people can also share the virus with others, if exposed.
Mrs Bushnell can’t even understand the use of masks, which I consider to be superfluous as the population of vaccinated people increases, but, if the population is “excused” from being vaccinated, the epidemic, masking and stupid meetings by unqualified and backwards, incompetent and corrupt leaders, who are all unfit to serve, will continue.
Time to
RECALL THE HUMBOLDT COUNTY SUPERVISORS…
IF THEY AGREE ON SOMETHING, IT’S THE WRONG THING TO DO…
Bohn is not only vaxxed but announce he thought being vaxxed kept him from getting sicker when he had a breakthrough infection.
Quiet, you. VMG is riffing.
Thank you for demeaning yourself by responding to my comment. Like everyone else, I crave your approval.
Do you not understand how hard it is to find people to work? County would come to a grinding hault, they have no choice,which leaves their employees the choice, which is the right choice . You will see more and more of this as time goes on, this lamedemic is about completely gone,California is doing a big push in the final hour. Money always comes first in Cali, rake it in while you can cali, why do you think we have one of the largest economies? Right here baby, require that shot asap to make a couple more bucks before it’s gone.
Yea I bet the insurance company has a whole team going thru the fine print to see if they are on the hook for this. Hope the county has a low deductible. But it looks like only the unvaccinated will be tested. I am not sure about them saying 2400 are unvaccinated. That doesn’t sound right
I sincerely doubt that every county employee in refusing the vaccine, but the cost of testing is far higher than the cost of vaccination.
Weekly testing of refuse-niks is a giant waste of resources. Period.
Employing Supervisors of low ability, high disinterest in public health and safety, and who refuse to take the advice of their own Medical Officer, is a perfect example of what-not-to-do…
Your Supervisors are unfit to lead, and they all need to be recalled.
What will they do next? Outlaw abortion?
These people are dangerous, insensible, and not too smart. Pot Farmers are fine, but Pot Farmer Supervisors?
A real bad idea, at completely the wrong time…
RECALL THE HUMBOLDT COUNTY SUPERVISORS!
HEY REX, VIRGINIA, STEVE, MIKE AND ESPECIALLY MICHELLE:
YOU’RE FIRED!
YOU’RE FIRED??? REALLY???
Did you really just say,
YOU’RE FIRED???
You have just lost any credibility that you may have had.
What Michelle Bushnell did not understand, and neither do I, is why vaccinated employees were not also required to submit to periodic testing, due to the fact that the also can transmit Covid19.
I don’t care if they transmit it less, and I don’t necessarily think that is even true, all things considered, they still transmit it, so they should also be required to test, if that becomes a requirement.
If one group transmits it
half as much as the other, and that means that they don’t need to be tested, at what point does testing become completely unnecessary, as cases come down?
You do see we are down to 5 cases a day from the 100 cases a day we were at 4 weeks ago, don’t you?
That would mean testing would no longer be necessary.
I applaud the decision the supervisors made in regards to lopsided, narrow minded, biased, testing.
I especially applaud Michelle Bushnell.
If the test mandate was for all employees, and it had a sunset or minimum case rate, it might have passed.
Yes, Donald Trump was a TV star before he was president…
So was Reagan…
Michelle Bushnell is about as smart as the people who voted her in, but there really wasn’t any other choice…
Move to Humboldt, where the elected were often running “unopposed”…
$100,000 a year and nobody decent ran against Bohn, Wilson, or really, Bushnell…
The sheer self-destructiveness of Humboldt is a thing of wonder, that never ceases to amaze the sane…
Costs a nickel to vaccinate an employee, or, costs $100/week per employee to “test” them…
Obvious choice, for these 5 idiots:
“Test ’em, don’t vaccinate ’em, wouldn’t want to make anyone mad…”
Recall all 5, and I don’t care who you like, Guest. They simply are not acting in the interest of the County.
You are spot on VMG. You should seriously consider running for Supervisor for all 5 districts in a grand recall election. Then you can fire Sheriff Honsel and all the other heads of departments and all the other county employees that won’t get the shot or anyone else who doesn’t agree with “Science” – or at least your take on it. And anyone living in Humboldt that doesn’t agree (especially Pot growing Supes) should move out so we can recover our economy from the damage the anti-faxers have done here locally. Let’s segregate into different counties based on vaccination status. We need VMG to run Humboldt!
Honsal is elected so can’t be fired. Same with the supes. They can be recalled though
What’s the cost of killing someone versus a lifetime on disability, like most educated people, who studied the test to pass the test.
Reagan was a union boss.
Thank you Michele. I’m so glad she sees the writing on the wall. There is more to it that just getting the shots in your arm.
If its in a news article, it must be right. It’s funny how simple math confuses so many, what happened? No wonder covid gets so much air time, people aren’t sure if half the population is dead from covid, or is it still with? Whatever, keep them numbers coming ,cause the confusion will be entertaining for the next generation, as long as we don’t force too many needless drugs on them.
Give me a break. How about have that insurance company review the EUA, and what amounts to transfering the blame and responsibilities on to the tax payer , while the big pharm keeps the profit.
Silly Wabbut
not recalled since the next batch might be worse. They lack solid conviction
Hey if you’re scared you can always get that safe and effective vaccine everyone’s been talking about…
If these bad boys can do it so can you. Only four NHL players have not been vaccinated against COVID-19, commissioner Gary Bettman announced.
Already taken care of…
Her request to test the vaccinated has absolutely nothing to do with public health and everything to do with the desire to further the narrative that those who have chosen to be vaccinated are no safer to be around or more courteous to the members of their community than the unvaccinated. Of course both points are false.
But the vaccinated are usually infected by the unvaccinated…sooo
I prefer Daily testing for those all unvaccinated workers as some health care sites are requiring of employees providing medical or religious exemptions.
No one has even touched on the cost of becoming COVID positive and ending up in the hospital. Those unvaccinated all need to file their DNRs ASAP!
As to Beck saying DHHS is understaffed, part of the reason is that she and other managers treat subordinates so badly, are dishonest and corrupt, that staff retention is very difficult. As to Honsal saying the SO is understaffed, I know multiple deputies an corrections officers who left the job, not because of retirement, but because of the way Honsal treats them.
The answer: get leadership and management who are actually competent, as well as those able to create a work environment that brings in employees instead of chasing them away. But, that is not the Humboldt way on any level.
As far as vaccines, just go get it. It’s the respectful thing to do. Oh yeah, courtesy and respect aren’t the Humboldt way either.
Not sure that it is specific Superviors and Managers that are the reason DHHS is understaffed but their general mode of operendi leaves a tremendous amount to be desired if one is a DHHS employee. If it weren’t for their co-workers and true dedication to their jobs, plus decent pay (for Humboldt Cty) and benefits, mny DHHS employees would work elsewhere. The onerous drawen out hiring process to be come a county employee has chased more than a few good candidates away also.
Connie is a human wrecking ball. As program director she showed her true colors. She was a pathological liar then. When the BOS put her in as “acting” director I went in to talk with Bohn (only because he was from my district) and inform of both the corrupt and illegal things she had been involved in. He scolded me for wasting his time and voted her in. I have had no use for any branch of leadership in this county ever since.
Courtesy and respect aren’t the California way
Don’t believe him? Try crossing the street.
this ain’t good. Some county workers would rather test positive so they can get two weeks paid time off.
No one should be forced to get an ineffective vaccine or be forced to lose their job. I find it quite scary that so many support such a preposterous idea. This vaccine is nothing like the mmr vaccine, it doesn’t stop the spread of the virus in any way and I’ve never before seen so many “vaxxed” people terrified of contracting an illness from unvaxxed people.
basic freedoms mean NO FORCED injections… That’s slavery
the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few
Exactly. Why should Pfizer shareholders and Chinese military inject us with nanopoison?
it slows the spread and lessens the symptoms. It’s a vaccine not immunization.
“It’s exactly like the polio vaccine or the measles “ 🥴
I must have missed that statement in the article
The vaccine is effective. You are just being stubborn and silly.
You are as misinformed as Mrs Bushnell.
[edit]VMG, Michelle is asking valid questions, like why aren’t the vaxxed being tested as well, they are able to carry and spread the virus regardless of wether it’s a bit less chance. Quit having tunnel vision and open your eyes, when you ignore the other side of the argument and revert to calling people unqualified that means you have nothing intelligent to say to support your point of view
“The vaccine is effective”
Them why is the sky falling ?
Because it apparently only takes about ten percent of the population to screw it up for everyone else. Just like criminals or drunk drivers, the damage anti vaxxers do in their self centered way is far in excess to their numbers.
Pilots and Nurses = criminals and drunk drivers
“The vaccine is effective.”
Keep telling yourself that. I guess after months of raving: get the jab, get the jab! You’re in too deep to admit you were wrong.
“You are as misinformed as Mrs Bushnell.”
Says the guy who’s never seen a chart of Singapore…..or Israel…..or the UK……ad infinitum.
If you read with your anti vaxxer filters on, you would think that. But the reality is otherwise. “Dr Leong Hoe Nam, an infectious diseases expert from Rophi Clinic, added: “No vaccine can have 100 per cent effectiveness. The point of vaccines is to cut down on the number of deaths, the number of people hospitalised, and the morbidity of the disease. This has been achieved with the Covid-19 vaccines today.”
https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/explainer-why-covid-19-vaccines-may-not-completely-eliminate-viral-spread
“For those anti-vaxxers who spread conspiracy theories and false information online, there is not much the authorities can do, added Prof Renia. “There is little you can do to prevent people from believing in crazy theories. The only way is to educate. If you try to block it, they will be comforted in their beliefs.” https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/unvaccinated-new-rules-malls-hawker-centres-covid-19-vaccine-2235856
“The point of vaccines is to cut down on the number of deaths,”
Says the person who just weeks ago was saying that “the point” was to stop the spread, and vaccines are better immunity than having caught covid, and IFR was 5 and 6%.
You should really stop putting bananas in tailpipes, LOL!
It is only somewhat effective, and even that is dubious at best, and unfortunately, is becoming less true, every passing day.
Even against death, it’s not living up to it’s promise.
I hope there are no more unfortunate surprises along those lines, there have been far too many, already.
You are as believable as Rochelle Walensky.
She said “The virus isn’t stupid, it’s going to go there.”, in regards to her previous statement that “there are a number of people who are unvaccinated against the coronavirus. Getting vaccinated will help stop the virus from moving.”
The virus isn’t stupid? Really?
This is coming from the CDC Director?
It’s not even alive, that’s science.
Think rust. Its as smart as rust.
But she says the virus isn’t stupid?
That’s like saying rust isn’t stupid.
Is SarsCov2 alive or not?
Can it think, and plan,
target people, and persue them?
Does it love money?
Better wax your shit, everyone,
otherwise rust will catch wind your area ain’t waxxed, and it will intentionally head your way, and single you out.
This is coming from the mind that overuled the advisory committee, going against it by recommending
boosters deemed unnecessary for certain individuals.
“Is SarsCov2 alive or not?
Can it think, and plan,
target people, and persue (sic) them?”
No, but it can evolve. Rust has been the same since the dawn of time.
Rust.
It’s the best analogy that I could think of.
Got a better one?
I would argue quasi effective. Vaxxed people still haved died, still get ill, not to mention the side effects and death people have experienced. Just because I don’t trust a drug developed in under a year doesn’t make me stubborn, it makes me cautious and smart.
Great foreward thinking their. Donut need to have every body chipped so the government can track them. They want to know whose doing what when. Last I checked we our living in a free society. Until big brother takes my laptop from my cold dead hands any way.
The Nuremberg Code is brought up because this isn’t a normal vaccine. This is an experimental MRNA injection.
Anyone mandating this at any point WILL be held accountable.
BTW: Pfizer vaccine is now approved by the FDA… non-experimental.
Actually, “Comirnity” is approved but not yet available, which is why mandates aren’t legal yet…
No. Comirnity has been approved and it is the same exact formulation as Pfizer’s vaccine. Here is what the CDC put out: “COMIRNATY is the brand name for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. Now that the FDA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine has been approved by the FDA for individuals 16 years of age and older, it will be marketed as COMIRNATY. The use of the name Pfizer-BioNTech will still be used for individuals 12-15 years old since this age group has not been approved. There has been no change in the formulation of the vaccine since the name change.” https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html
Okay but the injections on the market like the one you took are NOT “comirnity” they are under EUA… The mandates are illegal, which is why they aren’t enforcing it and it’s failing in the court. Its the Antichrist injection.
Well…if we’re bringing up the anti-Christ…I think you are out of my area of expertise. I usually stick to lesser demons and snake handlers.
We have to protect those fat kids smoking on the train tracks.
Aw lawd, please don’t let harm come to my poor.little.fat.chain.smoking.train track.walking.child.
Make those healthy people get vaccinated so my little immune compromised boy can grow up to murder someone in Humboldt and get away with it.
“Aw lawd, don’t let your sun go down on me”
Not for everyone they intend to poke with it it isn’t.
The littler kids are the next intended lab rats.
Maybe you missed that memo.
It shouldn’t even be allowed.
The vaccine is FDA approved.
This is no “experiment”.
4.5 million dead worldwide probably would have preferred the vaccine…
Odds are those 4.5 million people were going to get old and frail and die of pneumonia. Oh sheet 94 percent of that group did, pre 2018 coroner report states that as Natural causes, now you insist covid .
Do you realize that a lot of the people who don’t want the vaccine already had covid and had relatively mild symptoms like a slight cough and stuffy nose for a couple days?
I know a lot of people that have had that experience.
and I have known those that have died.
Dr. Hoffman Touted the effectiveness of the vaccine, saying that the Public Health Department supports any efforts to increase vaccination rates across the county. “unvaccinated are 11 times more likely to be hospitalized or die from COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated
10s of thousands with just symptoms in Humboldt from the killer covid, and what? A 100 people have died in Humboldt, 95 percent of them senior citizens beyond the average life expectancy. Maybe if your in that 95 percent category get vaccinated so when you get covid you have a better chance. But the rest of the population, covid is no more of a threat than the regular flu. Keep your drugs VMG.
it was engineered in a lab for a specific task. How many people in Humboldt died in previous flu seasons ?
Me too. Most people I know had worse side effects from the vaccine than from the positive covid case they experienced.
did they report it or see a physician ?
The vaccine made me feel like shit for a few days. Couldn’t sleep the first night , brain fogged as hell for a few days after.
Nuremberg Code.: Is a set of research principles addressing Nazi war crimes. It does not apply to COVID-19 vaccines, nor is it legally enforceable.
doesn’t apply my arse. These “experiments” were done under coercion.. Absolutely a hanging offense. Your just wrong. Probably atheist too.
Wow just wow. A kick in the teeth to health, science and the health care workers. Um its DISGUSTING. These are leaders??? Sigh…
Not force injecting people with vaccines is disgusting? What ducking planet am i living on? People can’t make their own health decisions anymore? If you want the vaccine go get it , protect yourself if you feel the need to . Sheesh!
You could always move to flat earth…
It’s called “the greater good”. If your decisions don’t effect others than you can make your own decisions. Don’t have your cancer treated; no one cares. Intentionally spreading a communicable disease is not your right. Sheesh!
Should we ban alcohol and tobacco then? People can get drunk and kill people, second hand smoke kills. That’s someone else’s decision that negatively impacts others…..
More like old people’s life’s are more important than the young people
Now,You understand how they filled the train box cars with human cattle 70 yr’s ago.
The woke nation looks a lot like communist partisans or brown shirt SS
Exactly.
You must be a good government drone apparently. Trust the government, they “always” have your best interest in mind…..
Just because you have been sold the party line in the name of science doesn’t make it so. Don’t worry, this is just the test run. Pretty soon they’ll be making custom viruses and selling the cure. Get rid of all kinds of different people that way. Pretty soon you may not have anyone posting things that shock you anymore. I think China is way in front of us on that front.
These are politicians making political decisions, i.e., not making decisions that might cost them votes. They are not leaders. Leaders inspire and convince people to join them. Very few politicians are, or were, leaders.
You’re saying Humboldt is a republican county ? Lol what the fuck ever dude….
My body my choice! Sound familiar?
Mandating a ineffective vaccine will only cost us more employees and lost jobs. Nurses are leaving their jobs, teachers are quitting and the military is contacting lawyers by the 1000s. Seeking to retire rather than vaccinate.
These mandates will cripple our country ever further than already have.
As companies mandate, the employees either walk out or form a strike
Truck drivers are next then who delivers our goods ?
Careful what you wish for…. The outcome will be devastating.
Needle Rape, like all other rape, BAD.
cut off the supply of free rent, unemployment benefits and tell em’ to get back to work. Competing economies have and the world goes on.
Red states have tried and it didn’t work.
source ?
You are simply wrong.
Please, join Mrs Bushnell at the table of folks who should sit still, and be quiet.
Spoken like a true leftist. Agree with me or shut up. No room for diversity of thought or opinions.
If you want your job, your income, get vaccinated! Simple!
Most people will comply.
99% of employed healthcare workers are vaccinated.
You should be too.
Already had Covid bud, I own my own business and will keep my job. As far as sitting down this said mentioned. Hard pass. While you sit at your desk spewing garbage I’m long at work supporting my family.
Have a great day and maybe get outside more. The world is a wonderful place if you let it be. Keep up your fight but don’t preach into others. Kinda like religion. Keep yours to yours and I’ll keep mine to me.
[edit] These supervisors did an excellent job making their decision
Maybe. just maybe, if you learn to spell correctly, someone might take you seriously!!!
No thanks…. 👎
Most people will comply! Sounds like most people are being forced, browe beaten, peer pressure. Your so called vaccine isn’t saving anyone, vaccinated people are dying. How many times must I say this, the flu is airborne, you are not stopping it, not even with everyone vaccinated. Maybe everyone isolated for a year. Solitary isolation, only answer and it ain’t happening. See you at the next fair,wedding,game or whatever.
Well no one’s going die while being unvaccinated… oh wait. Yes they have. But they mostly didn’t have to- from covid at least- they could have prevented themselves from getting that sick and maybe along the way kept others from dying too.
I imagine if it were like that, and Trump had succeeded in stealing our Democracy, than there would be a stronger resistance to vaccines, mandates, science and health.
The refusal to stay out of the hospitals in this pandemic is the problem.
The mandates are reactive to an under impressive populace.
If liberals had not behaved so outrageously dishonestly and brutally in the first place, Trump would never have found enough support to have been elected when he was. Do you really want to hitch vaccination with your political ideology when almost half of Americans voted for Trump despite his flaws because they thought Trump was better a better choice? Can you not restrain your political pronouncements even when they clearly harm your stated goals?
Remember when a black democratic Senator from Illinois named Obama accused then sitting President Bush of being born in Mexico – in the beginning of what would become a long drawn out public childish rant of racial bigotry and bias?
Neither do I.
It was obvious to anyone, including non “liberals”, that Trump was the “outrageously dishonestly brutal” behavior of any becoming President in American history.
Trump was, and still is, supported by the most ignorant and bigoted of America.
That’s why he rose to popularity.
“Born in Kenya!”
Trumps reaction to a black President.
And he sure built that base up.
Even has good people like you thinking he is a victim of “liberals”.
Do you remember when Florida condo collapsed and Biden blamed DeSantis for it, with a new bully name to boot?
Neither do I.
Remember when Swine Flu surged in the US and Obama pondered on air about sniffing glue to stay safe?
Neither do I.
No, I won’t be quiet about it, ma’am.
My stated goal is not to debate vaccines with trolls, but I appreciate that you take the time to.
“Born in Kenya!”
I’m assuming you don’t even realize where that came from. That whole discussion came to be because Obama authored a book where he claimed to be born in Kenya. Obama is the one to blame for that whole line of thought.
Please provide a link that proves that.
To the best of my knowledge, some folks that listened and read his multiple statements about being born in Hawaii ignored all that and when in 2018 Obama visited Kenya to see his half sister and said on video “Three years ago, I visited Kenya as the first sitting American president to come from Kenya.” It’s obvious he is meaning to say “the first sitting American president to come ‘to” Kenya.” (Which he was) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/07/24/all-the-u-s-presidents-trips-to-africa-mapped/
Somehow that becomes proof that he was born in Kenya.
President Obama has a birth certificate from Hawaii. Nonetheless, that doesn’t even matter. To become president, a person must be a “natural born citizen” as opposed to one who comes to America after birth from non American parents and applies for citizenship. One of the ways to be a natural born citizen is to be born in any country in the world to an American citizen which makes him a natural born citizen.
Even if Obama was born in Kenya, and he wasn’t, he was still born to an American mother. He never had to apply for citizenship. That makes him eligible to become President.
I believe you do actually have to be born in the US to be president, they include military bases in that. I also believe Obama was born in the US.
He’s also one of the wealthiest presidents we’ve ever had, who’s stepfather was a heartless petrol tyrant in Indonesia and a business associate of the elder Bush.
Just another smarmy crime family spawn committing war crimes in our name. But hey, at least he had some melanin!
His wife seemed to be under that impression, too.
So you think expressing your opinion about things that are in the past even if it hurts achieving good now is what needs doing? If you can’t muster at least the good sense about not poking the bear you are trying to get to cooperate, you can at least not do it WHILE asking for cooperation. I will not go into the petty details of political mud slinging right not because it would contribute to the stupidity of destroying community. I could but I won’t. And this is becoming my favorite phrase- IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU ALL THE TIME.
So you think expressing your opinion about things that are in the past even if it hurts achieving good now is what needs doing?
This is a fallacy.
I think expressing my opinion about FACTS of the past does NOT HURT the goal of achieving good now.
How would any good had been achieved over the last 1000 years without discussion of the past?
If you think debating trolls about PCR tests and VAERS is more productive than talking about Obama, or Pelosi, or Trump…. so be it.
I am rooting for you.
“I think expressing my opinion about FACTS of the past does NOT HURT the goal of achieving good now.
How would any good had been achieved over the last 1000 years without discussion of the past?”
Hi tRB- Please tell this to the woke, cancel culture mob that is erasing our history as we speak!!!
The outcome will be intentional.
Just Say No to the Jim Jones Juice!
Did you drink Trumps, though?
Which poison for a better tomorrow?
No Trump Shots for me… Warp Speed? Heck NO.. JESUS SAVES
Time for the board to start wearing big pants. Mandates work. Safety trumps personal freedom. Stop being Mr and Mrs nice fellow.and require testing for all county employees.
From the article: A 1905 ruling in favor of mandatory vaccinations made by the US Supreme Court noted, “Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own [liberty], whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others.”
You should do some research and actually learn what else that infamous court ruled on. Not sure you’d be singing their praises
That’s what I was thinking. Maybe not the best time frame for just decisions.
Cases are down to five.
Vaccine mandates might be too late?
How low must cases go before the jab masters figure out the jabs are getting obsolete?
When cases are at zero to we still keep pushing for vax mandates?
Keep vaxxing little children?
The Tot Shots?
To what end?
Let’s just demand people use umbrellas all summer, just in case…
Really, though, what’s the lower case threshold, before all the gung ho vax pushers will breath a sigh of relief, and get off of everyone else’s backs about it?
It’s getting pretty OCD, if you ask me.
We need to make sure that people in power, like Fauci and Walensky, aren’t just trying to satisfy their own case of OCD, in their attempts to get everyone vaccinated.
They are obsessively trying to make a leaky vaccination compulsory.
I don’t see that as being proper order.
I see that as being a disorder.
It’s insanity.
People don’t belong in nice little orderly, goose-stepping, rank and file rows.
Give it a rest.
It’s not about the vaccine or illnesses or hospitalizations, it’s about control.
If safety trumps personal freedom, then you should probably support banning alcohol, vehicles, airplanes, guns, knives, blunt objects and everything else that is an everyday use tool. Your thought process is dangerous to freedom and liberty and is loved by tyrannical governments.
I have an idea🤗. Instead of weekly covid testing, which is repetitive, inaccurate, and costly, Why don’t they test ONCE for MEMORY- B CELLS?
Antigen-specific B cells bifurcate into antibody-secreting cells (ASCs) and memory B cells (MBCs) after infection or vaccination.
PRESTO, problem solved
Oh, I get it… they have to get rid of the stockpiles before the expire in December…
Exactly.
Do you have a link to this specific test information? The problem is two fold. One is that the presence of covid specific b cells is not so easy to tell and the second is that b cell immunity takes a bit of time to kick in, by which time you may be too sick for the newly generated antibodies to be effective. Mostly when asked if the presence of these cells mean a person is immune, scientists usually say they don’t know.
Look up memory b cells after infection vs after vaccination
From October 8,2021
The article links to the studies you were looking for
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-science-idCAKBN2GY23G
First that wasn’t what was being asked. But since you insisted on your linked article “”While a natural infection may induce maturation of antibodies with broader activity than a vaccine does, a natural infection can also kill you,” said study leader Michel Nussenzweig of Rockefeller University, in a statement. “A vaccine won’t do that and, in fact, protects against the risk of serious illness or death from infection.”” And “Such that, a B cell that has successfully gained mutations that confer a higher affinity surface antibody towards antigen gains a survival advantage over lower affinity B cell clones and those that have gained deleterious mutations.” And “Plus, I don’t yet know of any quantitative studies of antigen-specific B cells during the disease, so this is difficult to answer. ”
https://www.immunology.org/news/qa-b-cells-and-antibodies-in-covid-19-what-does-good-look
Then the real point is whether their is a test to identify covid-19 specific b cells and whether they are of use and whether there has been enough research to show which levels mean immunity and which don’t.
Here’s another one
https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/good-news-mild-covid-19-induces-lasting-antibody-protection/
Washington university study on memory B cells in bone marrow
This was an article that I cited a couple of weeks ago. When the actual study was looked at, it included people for whom no such cells found, and since there have been no challenges studies, no one knows what the presence of b cells exact means. Individuals vary greatly as to the number and kinds of anti bodies they make from various b cells. There used to be some sort of indication the sars-cov-2 could damage bone marrow. There is also the study that includes long lasting immunity from vaccines too. https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/covid-19-vaccine-generates-immune-structures-critical-for-lasting-immunity/
Right now it is a possibility but untested. Or at least I couldn’t find it. It may exist… So I repeat, what is the link that shows a blood test exists to check something that the study this article needed to get bone marrow to examine? That will have information that show show that a test is capable of measuring b cell and what the meaning is of what it measures.
I found it for you..
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(21)01287-0?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS2211124721012870%3Fshowall%3Dtrue
According to the study, published September 24,
Although germinal center cells are mainly restricted to secondary lymphoid organs (Blink et al., 2005), plasmablasts and MBCs enter the blood and are, therefore, accessible for study in humans (Ellebedy et al., 2016). Here, we took advantage of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines to study the potential of human memory B cells generated by vaccination or infection. Our results indicate that primary MBCs formed in response to SARS-CoV-2 infection have a higher antigen-binding capacity per cell and are more efficient at producing plasmablasts and MBCs during secondary immune responses than are primary MBCs formed in response to mRNA vaccination.
Simple blood test would put an end to this nonsense, don’t you agree?
Nice post. Pretty much spells it out.
And then of course, crickets from Mr. nooo.
That means you hit it out of the park, I Love Plants.
Thanks guest
Your welcome.
I hadn’t seen that information.
I really appreciate it when folks post relevant, recent, cutting edge studies.
Utilizing that kind of a blood test, in combination with other mitigation, seems like it would be a very useful tool.
If it shows adequate protection, which it would appear to do by the studies you’ve shown, it should suffice as proof enough in lieu of vaccination.
It might also show, for those still, inclined towards vaccination, that only one dose might be indicated, and a second dose might be contraindicated, if it provided no additional benefit.
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“20 of the 31 cases in August were from the vaccinated” interesting.
Hoffman responded, explaining that those who are vaccinated experience less serious symptoms, and said spread is “significantly less, 50% or more, if someone is vaccinated.”
So what’s the purpose of vaccination? Our hospitals are not overrun, we aren’t experiencing mass deaths…..
” Our hospitals are not overrun,” ….
do you not follow national/ world news ?
But, what I don’t understand about Hoffman’s statement, is how, “50%, or more”, is somehow “less”?
And how that is supposed to jibe with, 20 out of 31 cases, self reported as vaccinated?
Testing over the long haul costs around 10x more than being vaccinated. Talk about squandering funds…then add medical care. Wonder what rate of infection is for non vaccinated county staff for the last 3 months? Hospitalization rate? I know folks off on COVID medical leave 6 months running…not recovered yet…
and I know of coworkers that would rather test positive and get two weeks paid time off.
That is not the point. Testing costs more over time than vaccine does.
I feel you are correct. I’m made that statement based on personal experience. It saddens me that people will put a greed spin on personal health even when surrounded with evidence that may affect others.
From the article it was stated that county worker case levels weresingle digits for many months and then shot up to 31 in August. Of those 31, 20 were vaccinated.
The cost of forcing jabs on people?
Coming soon: Biden’s full-blown recession
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/576234-coming-soon-bidens-full-blown-recession?rl=1
Blame BiDUHn for offering tests.
Numbers keep falling!
Southwest Employees are Now Organizing ‘Peaceful Protest’ Against the Airline’s Vaccine Mandate
Can’t post link for fear of being banned
Southwest Airlines cancels 1,800 flights, blaming weather and staffing
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/10/southwest-airlines-cancels-1000-more-flights-as-disruptions-mount.html
They’re saying stuffing now too.
CNBC is approved by the ministry of truth, Right?
“Hoffman did not offer any further insight as to why this level of comprehensive testing for screening purposes is not being advised when it comes to those who are vaccinated. ”
He already explained why, vaccine individuals spread the virus at a lower rate.
What was to explain is why test once per week instead of everyday.
But that’s not really an explanation of why. He said that they may spread it at 50% the rate. So if an unvaccinated employee might infect an additional 6 employees, a vaccinated one would only infect 3? Is there something magical about only 3 additional infections that means its not a concern but the 6 is?
And if the case rate is lowered by half, the unvaxxed become the effective equivalent of current vaccinated.
That seems pretty obvious.
And if the case rates double, the vaccinated become the effective equivalent of the current unvaccinated.
That seems obvious as well.
So, testing should be based on a case rate threshhold, and be potentially for all employees, in the event of rising cases, and possibly for only unvaccinated employees, only if the case count is very low, or approachs zero.
Most importantly, once the case counts drop to a certain predetermined level, the nonsense stops, no vaccine mandates, no testing mandates.
See if you can find any interviews with professor Matias Desmet. He makes some very good sense, pointing out that the mass hysteria we are experiencing is dependent on the misery people were living under prior to the pandemic. Many people do not want to return to life as it was before the pandemic because they hated it and suggestions that we “return to normal” are viewed as a threat by these people.
Federal Judge Blocks United Airlines From Imposing Employee Vaccine Mandate
breitbart.com/politics/2021/10/12/exclusive-federal-judge-blocks-united-airlines-from-imposing-employee-vaccine-mandate/
I apologize if the link is unacceptable.
So quit complaining and just find it on a reliable news site. easy peasy
my definition of reliable news means not HARD SELLING the needle rape
I think it’s good to look at both sides and use you memory to decide who’s more reliable. But you can’t do that if you can’t see both sides.
You sure are “hard selling” this supposed equivalence between sexual assault and vaccination.Yeah, that will change my opinion.
you’ve already taken the demon juice…
I didn’t complain i apologized.
Here is your link https://www.businessinsider.com/texas-federal-judge-blocks-united-putting-workers-requested-exemption-leave-2021-10
Remind me again why commenting on any of this makes any difference?
Confirmation bias and reaffirmation of shared beliefs. On both sides. I just want to know when this shit’s gonna be over with. I’ve got concerts to attend and vacations to enjoy abroad.
Then make your voice for freedom heard. No slave was ever released because he made salient points against the practice of the slave trade.
Oh crap this isn’t the slave trade. And that happened long before many others got involved that People Prayed on their own and enslaved them. Sold them. Still do today in some cultures or countries.
As far as the vaccine or any vaccines for that matter you’re exposed to less via a full lifetime vaccine regimen vs a lifetime of breathing the smoke filled air or consuming plastic via food or dyes. Before you eat it, slather it on, bathe in it or breathe it where did it come from? Could it be contaminated?
Just read over 50% of MAKEUP is contaminated with leads and heavy metals…even high end brands. Oh well at least your makeup looks hot and your lashes are long said no man ever…
PROTEST AWAY!!!
It’s crazy how we can be so disconnected from our source, that food inside plastic and cardboard has become normal.
The slave trade has simply morphed with the times. Look at the things humans have been doing to humans for millenia.
It’s not a stretch of the imagination to understand how a few sociopaths in control can create the toxic environment to make a slow death look like someone else’s fault.
https://humboldtfc.com/project/petition-against-requiring-proof-of-receiving-covid-19-vaccine-to-enter-indoor-spaces-and-businesses-in-humboldt-county-california/0/
I already signed the online petition. Wasn’t able to make it to the supes meeting yesterday cause of work. Don’t know what else to do besides not wear a mask into the grocery store; which will get me kicked out. I discuss these topics with my friends, family, coworkers and neighbors. Got anymore suggestions? I’d like to be involved with groups that are for promoting choice in health matters.
And mandatory health awareness of all the legal toxins on our supermarket shelves.
We are truly besieged by a toxic food supply and who knows what in our air, water,
Let’s bring critical thinking and real life skills back to education.
Freedom to choose is more important than ever.
Our economy depends on it.
I may be incorrect but I think BOS is mostly punting given OSHA will be make additional statewide decisions in short order.
Nobody will ever test the vaccinated.
My employer is doing the same thing. Unvaccinated are tested weekly. I am not arguing against it, but truthfully they should be testing everybody if the concern is about spreading the virus. Can you imagine the data though? It would certainly reveal exactly how effective the vaccine is as far as spreading covid- something that seems to be ignored.
This vaccine reminds me of drugs people take to suppress herpes. It may hide the symptoms, it may even help reduce transmission, but you should know if you’re about to go down on a chick with a suppressed case of herpes. Same goes for covid. Just because the vaccine suppresses symptoms and could make you asymptomatic, knowing you are carrying it seems huge. I agree with testing everybody.
Obviously the vaccine does not work or vaccinated people would not test positive. If vaccinated people can test positive then ALL should be tested otherwise you are still contagious! This has nothing to do with politics just common sense, and common sense says that the vaccine does not work!
“but Hoffman did not offer any further insight as to why this level of comprehensive testing for screening purposes is not being advised when it comes to those who are vaccinated.”
I’ll tell you why Ryan, it’s because unvaccinated people aren’t filling up hospitals and killing other people that should be able to access public healthcare.
What a great way for the author to expose their bias!
What?
Maybe you missed the fact that hat the testing was to is supposed to prevent transmission to others, which would need to include everyone, in order to be fully functional.
Or else the vaccinated will be allowed to transmit the virus unchecked.
Now why would that be?
That is the question Hoffman could not answer.
I wish I never got the Phizer Vaccine. I had Covid 4 months ago, lasted 5 days done.The VAX has messed me up since Sept 20th 2021, today is Oct 16th 2021, still working with Dr to help with all the adverse reactions. Adverse Reactions are not being reported as they should be by LAW.
https://vaers.hhs.gov
How concerned are you about adverse events related to the vaccines? (medscape.com)