Mendocino County Details Nine Recent COVID-19 Deaths and the County’s FIrst Child Hospitalized as a Result of the Virus
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Before providing the age and location of those who succumbed to the virus, it is worth noting Dr. Coren said in his COVID-19 update to Board of Supervisors on Tuesday that recent deaths are most often unvaccinated individuals. As a point of comparison, Dr. Coren said the average age of vaccinated individuals who have passed away in the County from the virus is 95 while the average age of the unvaccinated is 68.
Dr. Coren added, “While some vaccinated people have caught COVID and some have passed away, the vast majority of overall of severe cases, hospitalizations and deaths are among those who have not been vaccinated.”
As to the recent spike in Mendocino County deaths, Dr. Coren said the last two weeks have seen 13 deaths and eight of those are attributed to outbreaks at two local nursing homes.
The press releases issued by Public Health provided the most information yet regarding these recent deaths:
- Mendocino County’s 76th death was a 98-year-old fully vaccinated, Fort Bragg man.
- The 77th death was another 96-year-old man from the Fort Bragg area who was fully vaccinated.
- The 78th death was an unvaccinated 66-year-old Ukiah man.
- The 79th death was an unvaccinated 70-year-old woman from the Covelo area.
- The county’s 80th death was a Ukiah woman, 79-years of age, who was fully vaccinated.
- A 82-year-old fully vaccinated, Fort Bragg woman was the county’s 81st death.
- The 82nd death was an 84-year-old Fort Bragg woman who was fully vaccinated.
- The county’s 83rd death was a 68-year-old man, unvaccinated from the Willits area.
- The 84th death was an 86-year-old fully vaccinated man from the Fort Bragg area.
Reviewing this data, it is clear Dr. Coren’s observation holds true for this small sample: the age of those that die of COVID who are vaccinated skews significantly higher than those that are unvaccinated.
Mendocino County COVID-19 dashboard.
Dr. Coren revealed during his presentation to the Mendocino County Board of Supervisors that unvaccinated staff of the nursing facilities facing COVID-19 outbreaks were testing positive “having fatal consequences on those who are vaccinated and vulnerable.”
According to yesterday’s Mendocino County COVID-19 dashboard update, there are currently 12 residents hospitalized as a result of COVID-19 and 4 in local intensive care units. 304 residents are currently in isolation to protect others from being exposed to the virus and the most recent deluge of deaths marks 84 total deaths due to COVID-19 in Mendocino County.
Mendocino County Public Health is encouraging residents fully vaccinated with Pfizer and over the age of 65 (or over age 50 with specific health conditions) to receive their COVID-19 booster vaccine to “improve immunity.” Public Health suggests these booster shots “should be given at least 6 months after completion of the initial Pfizer series.” If residents have questions about boosters, Public Health encourages them to speak with their “doctor, or call Public Health at 707-472-2759.” Residents can get more information on upcoming vaccine clinics in their area by visiting the Public Health website.
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Stop trying to fool yourself…
You know you should take your vaccine…
Just get it today, and leave the comment section to those who have something sensible to say…
Thanks!!
Data from hospitals across the country show that roughly 97% of pregnant women who were hospitalized with a confirmed case of COVID-19 were unvaccinated. Along with the risks of severe illness and death for pregnant and recently pregnant women, the virus also puts babies at increased risk of preterm birth and admission to the ICU, according to the CDC
…”unvaccinated staff of the nursing facilities facing COVID-19 outbreaks were testing positive “having fatal consequences on those who are vaccinated and vulnerable….”
Which came first , the chicken or the egg.
Your unvaccinated staff testing positive had to be exposed somewhere right?
…logic tells us that exposure is extremely more likely to happen within the confines of a assisted living facility.
Just like all the (limited) studies at the outset if this pandemic highlighted : Asymptomatic spread (from vaccinated to unvaxxed in this case) happen in confined community settings.
To draw the conclusion that the the “fatal consequences to the VACCINATED …” are the doing of the unvaxxed is something only a gullible person will buy.
Be nice if they had created an actual immune producing vaccine. What a fucking joke.
In brief recap of recent deaths:
6 FULLY VAXXED
3 UNVAXXED
Yup. Those flighty 98 year olds are busy partying with other nursing home residents, spreading disease right and left to those poor nursing home workers living their sheltered, innocent lives. Yup. That’s the way it happens. For sure
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no. logic is when fully vaccinated people are still getting sick and dying maybe the vaccine doesn’t work?
No guarantees only probabilities.
“Just like all the (limited) studies at the outset if this pandemic highlighted : Asymptomatic spread (from vaccinated to unvaxxed in this case) happen in confined community settings.”
No, you smuggled the “from vaccinated to unvaxxed” part in there. IF you had logic then you would see that it is mos likely that the unvaxed contracted the virus from other unvaxed people. Like happened in a Eureka nursing home.
The vaccines do produce immunity. Its is not possible that you have the intelligence required to type yet do not understand this, so you are obviously feigning extreme ignorance in hopes that others will believe your lie and not bother to fact check you.
Kym.. direct insult from this girl. Moderation time.
Kym doesn’t hide her super pro vax stance so insulting the intelligence of the vaccine hesitant flies left and right. It is Friday tho …. So who knows.
The vaccines do produce immunity??
If you say so buddy 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
say what? Is this the kettle calling the pot black? You do know that the vaccinated can get and spread the virus right? Unfortunately they can also die from covid.
It’s not like nursing home residents are going on commercial airline flights or hanging out at crowded bars. Where were the unvaccinated workers exposed? On their vacations, by a spouse bringing it home from work, by a kid bringing it home from school, from a birthday party.
The vaccine itself is driving the variants. And there are both unvaxxed and vaxxed residents in those crowded viral petri dish domiciles. ( Perpetuated by crappy food, no fresh air, sedentary,overweight and disabled residents) AND efficacy is shite in elderly populations. So counting on the vaccine to do anything in the extremely elderly is excessive optimism. That’s why they put them first in line for the (equally useless boosters ) because the first round didn’t work.
But keep gulping the pro mRNA Kool aid.
The media darling Leana Wen agrees with you…..”the vaccinated carry so much more virus, they could transmit it to their unvaccinated family members”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJbI69l4Xpg&t=17s
Leana Wen made her bones at the Boston Marathon Bombing, coincidentally of course
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UawCgegFDM
If I make it to 98 years old it will be a miracle!
The outer limit of the human lifespan has long been hotly debated, with recent studies making the case we could live up to 150 years, or arguing that there is no maximum theoretical age for humans.
The new research, published Wednesday in the Royal Society Open Science journal, wades into the debate by analysing new data on super centenarians – people aged 110 or more — and semi-super centenarians, aged 105 or more.
Oh ya? Who’s supposedly hotly debating that?
6 of 9 fully vaxxed.
Yes, most of the recent deaths were a result of an outbreak in two nursing homes started by unvaccinated staff.
Interesting what you chose to focus on–you ignored this part –Dr Cohen said that the unvaccinated staff of the nursing facilities caused “fatal consequences on those who are vaccinated and vulnerable.”
Vulnerable vaccinated people can die even when they are sequestered from society in nursing homes when the people who they are exposed to are unvaccinated.
the vaccinated need protection from the unvaccinated? lol what kind of looney toons logic is that?
Science…
Think of the vaccine like a shield. If you have a strong healthy warrior holding that shield, COVID is going to have a hard time getting past it. If you have an elderly nursing home inhabitant with several comorbidities holding that shield, the virus spread from the unvaccinated is a powerful opponent.
Except vaccinated people don’t get COVID as frequently and don’t have it as long. Therefore…less chance of spread.
This isn’t a black or white world. We are trying to move the odds to the favor of as many people as possible surviving and being healthy.
If you’ve gotten the vaccine, wear a mask, wash frequently, eat and sleep as healthy as possible…with each one of these layers you are moving the chances away from spreading the virus.
The less virus that is spread, the less chance it has to mutate into something like the Delta variant which is more infectious. Too late for the Delta variant but not for the next one which might come along.
No, Kim, Vaccinated people are clearly more likely to get and spread the vaccine, and even though the death rate for elderly is higher, I seriously doubt it’s due to Covid , this vaccine is not what I don’t trust , it’s the corporate giants that none of us should trust.
They created the virus and the vaccine, that is a fact!
How can anyone trust those who are creating the virus , and making billions on the research and the vaccines and this is not debated , it’s a fact.
“Vaccinated people are clearly more likely to get and spread the vaccine”
I’ll assume you meant virus. None of what you assert as fact is fact or not debatable.
Pfizer is making billions upon billions and then spreading it to the media the politicians the scientists that’s a fact
Funny the binary thinking of vax vs no vax! It’s still a personal health thing!
An obese, unhealthy person on multiple medications who is Vaxed is Way more likely to spread covid – than a healthy unvaxed person. Yet all the ire is towards those that have made good life choices, and being unvaxed may still prove to be the right choice for healthy people, the jury is still out on that one.
It’s so sad for the elderly, but besides for them, this country has been hit so hard because of an extreme lack of health
Anyone that down votes a basic common sense comment like above is likely an overstuffed, pill-popping, couch tater.
That is not fact it is an absolute lie. You spew all this nonsense yet provide nothing to back it up. Are you an epidemiologist, virologist, or even educated? There are thousands of scientists and doctors not beholden to “corporate giants” who are conducting pandemic science. To suggest they are all corrupt is ignorant.
Most of them are indoctrinated and also info ear of losing their job
Less chance is not the same as no chance.
twisted logic Kym……..keep making those pretzels
XL word salad.
Next variant? Ooh so scary! And the next ad nauseum, X’s the 6000 that have been mapped. So far.
Thanks to Fauci.
Think of it as a badge.
Oh so what you’re saying is that the shield is stronger or weakened depending on who’s holding it?
Exactly. The mean age of the vaccinated nursing home residents who died was over 88. If exposed for a long time to unvaccinated idiots, these frail elderly are going to die.
Another aspect of this tragedy is why did Dr. Coren wait for six days to tell the Board of Supervisors of all these deaths. Maybe he told them privately. But the public should be made aware immediately if for no other reason than to create a howl to fix the root cause of the problem.
And the root cause is the unvaccinated workers in nursing homes who have a month to get their FIRST shot.
If this was a shooting war, we would have all been captured by now. Is there no sense of urgency in this war against the virus?
The average age of covid death is pretty much the average age of death in general
it’s not a shield though.
Well when it comes to the cov if you are a strong healthy warrior than you don’t need a shield. Maybe some tissues for your runny nose
That’s probably what those unvaccinated staff that infected the elderly folks said….right before they effectively killed seniors by importing the pandemic into their sanctuary.
Now we’re calling the warehouses where we leave our elders in the care of strangers “sanctuaries “? I used to volunteer at old folks homes when I was in high school. Those places are a perfect picture of our failure as a society. A place that families leave their loved ones to die.
But sure, let’s the blame the minimum wage workers tasked with changing their diapers, giving them their drugs, and bringing them their shit food. If you care about the old folks in your family who have a hard time living on their own, then care FOR them.
First, not everyone has families. Second, as much as possible, I agree with you that families should care for their own though that isn’t always possible for a variety of reasons. However, both my husband’s mom and step-dad live with us. Third, no matter what the reason why the elders are in nursing facilities (which is irrelevant to this particular question though certainly a worthy subject to discuss otherwise), many of the unvaxxinated have said on this site that those who are vulnerable should stay home and stay protected from COVID (stay in sanctuaries so to speak). Those of us who are pro getting the vaccine have clearly pointed out that those in nursing homes, etc, are vulnerable to unvaccinated staff etc. Those making this argument (I’m not sure if you were one of those arguing that) should now be able to see that this can have fatal results.
I don’t think that those unvaccinated staff are evil, but I do think that like the drunk driver, their choices killed people. They did harm when I’m guessing they generally want to help. That’s a sad outcome for the families of the deceased and the people who caused the deaths of the victims–they could have chosen to minimize harm to vulnerable people and they didn’t…with disastrous consequences.
My point is simply that we have been housing people at the end of their life in these well known substandard dormitories for well over a decade (since I’ve been aware of it). And now, suddenly, these places are suddenly the stage where this whole series of tragic deaths had played out.
Seems like covid has been happy to take the blame for a lot of our social short comings
That’s what white people don’t seem to grasp. Yeah I said white. When you go into those places check the nationality percentages.
I’m not understanding what you’re trying to express?
What do you think that the vaccinated staff, that also tested positive, were thinking, that may have infected those same elderly folks….right before, they too, may have effectively killed seniors, by importing the pandemic into their sanctuary?
Why no mention of them and their thoughts?
Dr. Coren mentions them, however briefly.
Why are they not mentioned here, at all?
Is that reasonable?
You should take extra care https://theexpose.uk/2021/08/24/oxford-university-study-finds-fully-vaccinated-healthcare-workers-carry-251-times-viral-load-compared-to-the-unvaccinated/
Please stop. The ridiculousness and unfounded blame is so over the top!
There were also unvaxxed residents.
Keep in mind there are people “unvaxxed” for a multitude of reasons!
Casting shade, and basically accusing entry level workers (who have STAYED on the front lines this entire time,) of fucking manslaughter gets a big fat eye roll from me.
I admire you and like you, but my tip is step away from the keyboard kym. Neutrality is less dramatic. You may rue the day that you made statements like some we find here in these hot-button Covid comment threads, to which you have become deeply invested. Unreal.
Have you been living under a rock? Most vaccines are not a 100% preventive. So a person who is fully vaccinated can be exposed to the virus by an unvaccinated person and then die.
Not flawed logic, just seemed that way to you due to your unbelievable ignorance.
None of the other vaccines allow for such widespread replication of virus within those that are vaccinated. This is an extraordinarily dangerous situation
Notice how you were able to reply without insulting smh’s intelligence? Proving it can be done, but Kym allows *some people* to routinely directly insult others; they must be close buds.
“the vaccinated need protection from the unvaccinated?”
That’s vaccine cult logic. The vaccine works but you need to be scared of the unvaccinated AND get a booster-LOL!
So glad to see the MSM has you well trained in their mental gymnastics. Vaccines confer immunity. Failing that, they are not useful vaccines… or vaccines at all. As vaccines the mRNA program is an abject failure and rather than pausing and recalibrating, the policy makers are doubling down. “Time for your 2nd booster with your daily pill.”
Good science requires throwing out a hypothesis when it fails miserably and starting over, from scratch, without presupposed information.
A shield that doesn’t stop every blow but stops most blows is a very effective tool in our arsenal to fight COVID. Anyone who would go into battle without a shield because “oh, no it doesn’t stop all the blows–just 10 out of 11″…is not looking at the odds, Ullr.
I sometimes feel that COVID is not so much a disease of the unvaccinated (against COVID) as it is a disease of people who didn’t play enough D&D in their youth or pay attention in math class.
“it is a disease of people who didn’t play enough D&D in their youth or pay attention in math class.”
Says the lady who ignores 15 THOUSAND deaths in an underreported VAERS system and a 6 month Pfizer safety trial showing majorly lopsided “math” in heart related/ Sepsis deaths among the vaccinated. But yeah, just ignore those numbers and the waning efficacy of the shots.
The ironies never end
https://youtu.be/NRP-_2v8mSQ
Shhhh. That does not fit the narrative.
The shield that no longer stops any blows…
No, science builds on earlier work constantly. Even failures are grist for advancement. And mRNA vaccines are not a failure. In every nursing home around the world, administering vaccinations saw an immediate and sharp drop in the number of covid deaths. That this protection has not lasted indefinetely does not make it a failure. A VACCINATED PERSON IN EVERY AGE GROUP has a better chance of survival than an unvaccinated person in the same age group. And no specious redefining of the word “vaccine” by anti vaxxers changes that.
One of the most irritating things about conspiracy theorist thinking is that they complain that everyone else is mindlessly lead around by agenda ridden media while they, deriving all their own thinking from agenda ridden internet gurus, repeating the same weird ideas in the same exact words throughout a thousand miniscule websites selling the same survivalist gear or
naturalremedies. The aura of relief in having their own paranoid thinking confirmed is palpable. And the worst part is that no anti vaxxer misinformation, no matter how clearly wrong, ever dies. When it’s ludicrously wrong “facts” become an embarrassment even to themselves, the noise just dies back for split second to re emerge like an infection that is not properly treating.There’s a conspiracy? Do tell.
And no, failed hypothesis are not built upon in good science. Start over and see what happens with new iterations based on new data.
Why pretend you know anything about good science? That’s hilarious!
“Immunity” does not mean what you seem to think it means. IF the vacines were a failure, there would no difference in the rates of hospitalization between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. I assume you think that is a consiracy on the part of reptilian aliens.
Vax nannies can throw around childish insults, like SMH does, all they want. Meanwhile the Vax hesitant commenters are all under moderation. WTF?!
Liberalism is a mental disorder ring any bells…Read any of your own comments?
When did I ever say liberalism is a mental disorder? Are you serious? Even if I did say it, which I didn’t, it doesn’t break your rules. What kind of mental gymnastics are you trying to play?
Remember how fair you claim to be? Well are you admitting that is bullshit and you moderate through dogmatically biased glasses? I have a lot more in common with liberals than conservatives.
Are you prochoice or not? Or are you able to twist yourself into a pretzel and think it’s OK for abortion but not vaccines? Seriously?
I did not say you said liberalism is a mental disorder. It is one of the many similarly insulting comments to the one that you pointed out that you don’t notice because it is conservative. Saying that someone doesn’t know science isn’t against the rules either. I’d say smh is skirting the rules especially the end statement. But certainly not any more than calling smh a vax nanny.
Yes I should get in and delete a more sensitive amount of comments that push the rules but then you’d have already gotten so many strikes, you’d just be banned. I’m tired and I’m trying to walk a line and I’m pretty sick of the whining about how I handle my private website (think of it as being pro choosing which comments stay and which don’t)-which you are prolific at.
As to prochoice for vaccines…I absolutely would stand in the streets protesting any attempt to physically force you to get a vaccine. I may think you are making a stupid decision but you have the right to choose that EVEN though by your choice you could cause the deaths of thousands (admittedly unlikely but the chain of COVID could conceivably go that far) while a woman aborting a fetus is at the worst only responsible for killing one and that’s only if you believe that life begins at conception which I don’t.
I don’t recall directly insulting anyone. I believe we are able to insult beliefs but not the people who hold them.
You can go back and read your own comment. You directly insulted ullr.
“Why pretend you know anything about good science? That’s hilarious?”
If you can’t see that for the childish and ignorant insult that it is…..
But hey, don’t worry, kym agrees so you won’t have to answer to her “rules” like people she disagrees with.
Beware people with long memories and deep archives.
If you can’t take, don’t dish it out.
Dish what out? I’m on moderation for being insulting to other commenters. I’m pointing out the obvious bias and hypocrisy that kym uses to moderate. I like things to be fair, you don’t?
I’m on moderation, always have been. My comments are regularly deleted. I understand that sometimes I cross the line and since it’s KYM’S SITE I respect her decision to let my comments be approved or deleted. All of you crybabies can go somewhere else. It’s your own self-importance that gives you the nerve to whine and complain to Kym like spoiled children. If you only knew how childish you sound. Quit arguing with her. Just because she has the patience of a Saint doesn’t mean you can abuse her. Knock it off or leave.
Infantile. If puking nonsense makes you feel better, keep on keeping on.
There is a difference.
Imagine still believing this is about a virus 😂😂😂
What Doctorate EPIDEMIOLOGY program did you attend?
Probably the same one everyone here attended.
Thank you Kym. It is hard to stay calm and reasonable amid all this covid chaos.
I like most people (I like most dogs more) so I got vaccinated. I know that it is not a perfect solution, but I would feel terrible if I inadvertently killed someone because I became a spreader when I could have reduced the chances of that by simply being vaccinated.
Yes- Kym is doing a great job and letting people speak/debate. Lots of entrenched positions and fighting here. I was not going to get vaccinated. I see few people. I planned on spending my year “up on the hill”. The extreme drought and other factors had me reconsider. When I realized I could work in town I came down off the hill, making my life more entwined with the regular folks. I decided to get the vaccination for that same reason- not wanting to inadvertently kill anybody. So while I am vaccinated I still defend peoples’ rights to make their own personal choice based on their personal criteria. Many here are very rural and do not interact w/ vulnerable persons. I just would remind everybody to be respectful and careful in actions. When I “rejoined society” I decided to take that corporate mRNA juice…I still have mixed feelings but I did it. Luckily I had only a one day headache as a side effect. I appreciate Kym handling this daily “debate”- this might be the most open discussion on the internet and I appreciate the candor, “evidence” and theories from both sides of this important discussion.
Just to be clear- you decided that it was right to get vaccinated because you did not want to harm others but support the right of others to do harm by interacting without getting vaccinated?
That is such a talking point these days…the propaganda hits hard
4 months of “detention” with no warning flag with routinely up to 12 hour delay in posting makes a for a lopsided debate.
Whatever. It’s the internet; no one cares.
The vaxxed may all be be fighting leukemia or stroke soon so maybe be a little nicer to your unvaxxed friends, you may need them to haul your propane.
Thank you. Fixed.
Less possible does not mean impossible. Not even close.
I don’t care what Dr. Coren says.
The vaxxed staff most likely weren’t even being tested.
Sure, let’s ignore the expert with years of study who actually has knowledge of the situation and let’s listen to an anonymous person with no known credential pontificate on a situation they have no personal knowledge of…
Umm.. don’t you do that as well??
No, I do not ignore what the greatest number of the educated and informed state is true.
And no, I do not assert my opinion from behind an anonymous pseudonym without supporting experts AND expect you to take my opinion and count it equally if not superior to that of experts on the subject.
I’m educated. I’m informed. But I am not more knowledgeable than the vast number of mechanics who fix cars and the vast number of virologists who study COVID….
No, I do not ignore what the greatest number of the media and facebook state is true.
Just like you ignore Luc Montagnier
French virologist.
He’s obviously biased.
Maybe you haven’t noticed.
As far as being an expert, something he said, that again, maybe you haven’t noticed, or maybe just faithfully accept because, you know, how smart could I be in comparison to the venerable, credentialed, “Dr.” Coren ?
Doesn’t a claim of a 95 yr old average age for vaccinated deaths sound even a little questionable to you? Even just a little?
Or do you just accept it as gospel, from “The Book of Coren”?
It seems questionable to me, as do many of the things he says, or that he omits saying.
Maybe we should ignore some of what he is saying.
Consider, the ages of the most recent vaccinated deaths were as follows, 98, 96, 79, 82, 84, and 86.
There is also a discrepancy noted that the 77th death is noted as “also” being 96, but the 76th death is indicated as 98. (?)
Ukiah Daily Journal today has it as 96.
Nevertheless, the total age in years for all six referenced is 525.
525 total years, divided by the 6 to get the average, becomes 87.5
He says 95? Is that even plausible?
I don’t think so, but I guess it’s possible. It’s just very unlikely.
Giving him the benefit of the the doubt, as you have, would mean that there would need to be an equivalent of 6 additional vaccinated deaths AVERAGING 102.5 yrs old.
And I seem to recall a vaccinated individual from a healthfood store in Mendocino.
That means that average above is going to need to be raised to about 113 yrs, 10 months old, if the healthfood guy is included in the additional six, and you figure all died on their birthday, Except the healthfood guy I figured 40 for him, it was simpler.
Kym, ask yourself, does The Esteemed Dr. Coren’s assertion that the “average age” of Mendocino’s vaccinated Covid19 deaths is “95” needs to be fact checked?
I do.
I find it very dubious, at best.
Coren skipped math class at med school……..he made time for the propaganda class though
The whole thing and the whole scenario is novel. There are people who are experts in narrow fields but there are no experts in the Covid19 event that is happening now. Years from now someone will get a PHD on it, but right now all the “experts” are fumbling their way forward like everyone else.
I buy that. Scientists are struggling to catch up.
Nonetheless, I play the odds and listen to experts who are studying the disease or in this case Mendocino County’s Public Health doctor who has actual knowledge of the cases and situation is more likely to lead to the truth than listening to what may be a guy with little education and little knowledge hiding behind a pseudonym and pretending he has answers.
It’s one thing to make an assertion anonymously it’s another to offer no facts to back something up and criticize a person with actual knowledge.
If Guest were to state that you don’t know how to sex marijuana plants or take care of a gun and offer no proof of his assertion, you’d rightly be annoyed as heck. Requiring someone to have expertise or to show proof of assertions contrary to those who do have expertise is the basis of making sure that most often you land on the truth.
A year ago you and Ullr were going to compare something Covid related in a year (about now).
Do you remember what that was?
https://kymkemp.com/2020/08/29/health-officer-dr-frankovich-talks-about-covid-in-agriculture-news-from-governor-newsome-flu-season-bringing-challenges-and-more/#comment-1168270
Gosh darn you’re good!
Thanks!
So what do you think of that now?
Sure seems like our “excess deaths ” (if we compare to the least deadly years on record) is sitting around 160-250k for these 18 months.
How does that compare to the official deaths toll?
The study I just looked at says that in 2020 alone there were “472,000 excess deaths in 2020, compared to 352,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths during that year.’ https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
Cdc estimates 699k-840k total since February of 2020. Again, measures against a historically anomalous 5 year period.
Their data shows under 25 deaths falling below that historically notable low this summer.
Did your deep research into this subject shed any light on when the last time we, as a nation, faced the sort of gruesome death toll we experienced because of this world changing virus?
Kym, the facts that I have used, are the facts presented in your article.
Six vaccinated Covid19 deaths, aged 98, 96, 79, 82, 84, and 86. Total of 525 years. Divided by 6 decedents is an average of 87.5 yrs old, not 95.
I found one other vaccinated Covid19 death, a 66 yr old.
That brings the average age down to 84.43 yrs old. (591÷7= 84.43)
Dr. Coren’s assertion is very clearly in error by over 10 years. 7.5 in this article alone.
I did not make an assertion without facts to back it up.
Maybe someone should contact Matt LaFever.
My reasoning is sound, expressed in black and white.
Why do you refuse to reasonably consider it?
You believe Dr. Coren based on the odds of him being correct over someone else? Not based on whether what he says is true or not? 🤔
He is saying something like… 591÷7 = 95, when the answer is truly 84.43.
If there was 1 more breakthrough death, that person would have had to have been 169 years old, in order for them all to average 95 years old.
So you see, it isn’t even
possible.
Dr. Coren has obviously exaggerated.
When I have a chance, I’ll look at all the vaccinated deaths.
The vaccinated Covid19 deaths? 6 out of the 7 or so are in listed in this article. There is an additional 66 year old. That makes 7. If there is another 1, or 2, that I have missed, it won’t make much difference.
Multiply 95 by 8, and by 9. 760, and 855. Subtract 591 from both, (for the actual first 7). 169, and, 264. Then divide by 1, and 2, respectively, to get the necessary age of those who I may have missed.
169, if I only missed one,
and an average age of 132, if I have overlooked two.
Not really even possible, then, is it?
If there were seven more, they would all have to average over 105 years old.
That isn’t possible, either.
That is the beauty of math.
I’m not really sure why you won’t acknowledge that what Dr. Coren has said, given the facts that he has provided, about the 95 year old average, must be wrong. It isn’t even possible.
It’s not about truth, when it obviously isn’t even possible.
It’s a mistake, or stretch of the imagination. Your pick.
Numbers don’t lie.
They are plain to see.
That’s the truth.
why’d people take the vaccines Kim? All the people I know believed they were safe from covid or delta or corona because of receiving the vaccine. It didn’t make anyone safe as is obvious now. It seems like it just helped the vaccinated spread it unaware due to lessened symptoms. How sad. In conclusion, I feel like it should be obvious we’ve been lied to…
Then you don’t know the same science educated people I know.
From the beginning, when the first COVID vaccines were given, it was announced they were not 100% effective. Do you remember photos of vaccinated nurses going into COVID patients rooms wearing protective gear? They knew the vaccines weren’t 100% effective.
Anyone who read even the tiniest bit on the vaccine knew that.
In April, everyone in my household was completely vaccinated but we still practiced distancing, masking, etc because we all knew this clearly stated fact.
Here’s the BBC back before the vaccines were given last November talking about the effectiveness of the “jab”.
Do you know these “science educated guys”…?
From the INDEPENDENT
February 28, 2021;
Sayeth Fauci;
“The J&J data that just came out –
when you have advanced critical disease, there were no hospitalizations and no deaths.
That’s good news.”
Sayeth the doctors on President Biden’s advisory board;
” “The varying ‘effectiveness’ rates miss the most important point: The vaccines were all 100 per cent effective in the vaccine trials in stopping hospitalizations and death. Waiting for a more effective vaccine is actually the worst thing you can do to lower your risk of getting severely ill and dying of Covid19,” the doctors on [President] Mr. Biden’s team wrote.”
You were saying?
Did Joe Biden and some of his people exaggerate the effectiveness of the vaccine? Yes. Are those the sources I pointed out? no.
Exactly.
Are they “science educated”, like you said?
Fauci and the doctors on President Biden’s Advisory Team?
I would assume so.
You didn’t specify other than, “The BBC.”
In February, it was not uncommon for the news agencies, associated with the statements that I mentioned, to also assert a 100% vaccine efficacy against death.
So, the message has not always been like you said, that the vaccines were never purported to be 100% effective, in this case, against hospitalizations and death.
Especially with the J&J, that Fauci touted as a perfectly valid alternative to the mRNA vaccines.
Times sure have changed.
So have the narratives.
Many of the nursing home residents who died were vaccinated first way back in December and January. We know the vaccines wane in effectiveness after six months. But it is almost certain none of the dead got the booster shot before they died. If you were vaccinated more than six months ago, get your booster if you qualify. The life you save may be your own
unvaccinated=gets covid= knows it
vaccinated=
There is no way to prove the virus was spread by the unvaxed workers, thats just an assumption, come on now.
yup
No it isn’t possible to prove on an individual level. At least unless there were different variants. But like everything in this pandemic, it likelihood that makes a difference. And so far the likelihood is the unvaxxed are the source. It’s just in the make believe world of the anti vaxxer that their unproven allegations are better than other unproven allegations.
There is some basis for assuming less infectivity among vaccinated people “This factor suggests that at least in some cases, the vaccine protected against symptomatic disease but not against infection. However, no secondary infections were traced back to any of the breakthrough cases, which supports the inference that these workers were less contagious than unvaccinated persons, as has been reported previously.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8362591/
There is none for the idea that unvaxxed and vaxxed are equally infective.
The unanswered questions which Dr. Coren did not cover is how many unvaccinated workers worked in nursing homes and where were those nursing homes.
Yesterday the California Department of Public Unhealth issued an order requiring nursing home workers to be vaccinated. This begs the question of why the doctors who ran these homes did not on their own require all their workers to be vaccinated. Other executives such as the head of United Airlines require vaccinations without a national mandate.
Doctors mostly don’t run nursing homes. Doctors don’t even like to go to them. If they go at all, it’s as a public service. By far nursing homes are run by owners for profit and are lucky if they have even an RN on site most of the time. The owners simply do not pay enough to demand much of their staff.
Allegedly.
I believe this comment is very disingenuous.
I just listened to Dr. Coren’s presentation myself.
He says the staff who tested positive for Covid19 were
” Predominantly” unvaccinated.
That means that the one or more of the sources for the four different outbreaks could easily been a vaccinated individual.
Nowhere in this article does it state, that even one single vaccinated staff member tested positive for Covid19, let alone a significant number of them, yet
Dr. Coren acknowledges it, and briefly confirms their existence.
Yet, Coren goes on to reference only the unvaccinated as a transmission risk to vulnerable populations, while confirming that viral loads are comparable in the infected, vaxxed or unvaxxed.
The entire blame is misplaced soley upon the shoulders of the unvaccinated, and no mention is made of the corresponding vaccinated staff that also tested positive, that could also have been the source of the outbreak.
This article is wholeheartedly biased and misleading, more than Dr. Coren’s report even is.
This article makes no mention of the vaxxed staff that tested positive, that Dr. Coren, at least, mentioned very briefly. This article vehemently blames only the unvaccinated. Not cool.
The Host’s comment reflects this, as well.
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Significant lesser numbers of vaccinated staff also apparently tested positive. They also presented exposure risks to the vaccinated and vulnerable sequestered society.
Not sure why that was not mentioned.
how do they know the difference between a vaccinated person spreading or an unvaccinated person spreading it. It sound a little too convenient to put all the blame on the latter when the vaccinated can spread it too.
“most of the recent deaths were a result of an outbreak in two nursing homes started by unvaccinated staff”
Wow. Talk about unsubstantiated claims!
Or maybe you’ve got proof to back that divisive statement up? Or, probably not. Which makes your claim and Cohen’s insinuation 💯 unverifiable BS.
Dr. Coren, to his credit, did not directly attribute any deaths to being solely from the unvaccinated staff. I actually listened to his report.
He indicated that the staff that tested positive were ‘predominantly’unvaxxed, so you could extrapolate that somewhere near half that tested positive were vaxxed.
And there were four total facilities involved, so the breakdown for each facility isn’t clear. The unvaxxed vs vaxxed positive test ratio, may have been higher in the jail for example, and could have skewed the numbers to appear as if there were more unvaccinated positive staff than vaxed positive staff in the nursing care facilities, if the numbers were presented in aggregate, for all the facilities combined.
He didn’t break it down per facility.
And in Dr.Coren’s presentation he rightly attributed the unfortunate number of Covid19 deaths, specifically only to, “the exposure to the surge in infections”, or something to that effect.
He did not specifically implicate the unvaccinated staff as the cause of any of any of the deaths, but that, unfortunately, is how what he actually said, has been mistranslated.
You are also ignoring ages and underlying health conditions.
So let me make one thing clear: Vaccinated people are not as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated. Even in the United States, where more than half of the population is fully vaccinated, the unvaccinated are responsible for the overwhelming majority of transmission.
Here’s a good article in support of that, Fox, by Craig Spencer is an emergency-medicine physician and director of global health in emergency medicine at New York Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/the-vaccinated-arent-just-as-likely-to-spread-covid/620161/
C’mon Kym,
Surely there must have been many vaccinated staff. Were they even tested? So there were some unvaccinated staff that tested positive.
They could have contracted in the outbreak.
What is the ratio of vaccinated to unvaccinated staff?
What is the probability of an infection and transmission from the vaxxed versus the unvaxxed?
If the increased ratio of vaxxed to unvaxxed staff exceeds the increased probability of infection and transmission of infection from the unvaxxed staff, then the vaxxed would more likely be the source.
They are more likely to also be less sick, just as you have said, so more likely to attend work.
Were the vaxxed staff even being tested?
The conclusions in your and Dr. Coren’s assertion aren’t very scientific, as they completely leave out the possibility, or the probability, of the source of the outbreak being from a vaccinated individual.
You emphasized that the last nine Covid19 deaths in Humboldt were all unvaccinated.
You fail to even mention that 6 of the last 9 in Mendocino were vaccinated. The majority. Not a peep.
Bullshit.
Viral loads in the vaxxed are the same as unvaxxed.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/delta-infection-unvaccinated-and-vaccinated-people-have-similar-levels-of-virus
New research has found that double vaccinated people were three times less likely than unvaccinated people to test positive for the coronavirus.
These results from the Imperial-led REACT-1 study, a major coronavirus monitoring programme, are based on swab tests taken by almost 100,000 people in England. Here is another UK study since we are focusing on the UK. How about we just stick with whats happening here in the good old USA. I stand by my comment.
There have been studies of the household spread of virus between vaccinated and unvaccinated. The unvaccinated infective spread to more of their household than the vaccinated infective. To anti vaxxers the idea that someone could be less infective because their vaccinated when they have similar viral loads seems like a lie created by malfeasance when in reality it is based on what evidence is available at the time. As the article Ullr Rover linked said.
That is one thing about anti vaxxers that is so weird. Unless it is an article from their own anti vaxxer network, what they say proves their point frequently also contradicts their point. In this case it is cited as proof that vaccinated are just as infected as the unvaccinated but leaves off mentioning the parts of the same article like this ““The good news is that the data clearly shows that receiving a full vaccination series significantly reduces the risk of severe disease and death. When called to do so, people should get vaccinated,” says Dr. Kluge.”
On a side note that study does not in anyway contradict the statement from Dr. Spencer
Maybe in care homes or hospitals it’s the unvaxed, maybe. But to say the unvaxed are responsible for transmission in the general population is nonsense. Use the cdc own data on : inoculations administered, serological data, immunity and transmission data from vaxed and unvaxed. Commonsense is all that’s needed! The Rnot of delta is not that high and the unvaxed are not square dancing in gymnasiums every night. It’s just commonsense, the vaccinated are responsible for the widespread transmission
But the vaccinated are less likely to catch the virus and they have it for shorter times. Therefore, the vast majority of transmission comes from the unvaxxinated.
so the vaccine works…but not as
a typical vaccine rather as a “symptoms” and “contagious timelength reducer”. so take the experimental shot to be safe.but youre not safe. but if everyone takes it then everyone is safe. except it didnt work as good so you need another booster. but if everyone takes the booster then we will all be safe. but its still not 100 so continue taking all the precautions because youre not safe….
are you ok?
“But the vaccinated are less likely to catch the virus”
Then why were the most heavily vaccinated countries (Israel, UK, Iceland, Seychelles, Gibralter) experiencing the biggest spikes in cases?
Crickets
They aren’t. Relatively unvaccinated countries like Vietnam, India, Honduras, Columbia, etc, spikes were large, much larger than in vaccinated countries.
Qatar, which is highly vaccinated, for example had a spike when Delta hit but, not only was there a lower infection and death rate than most, this spike was less than previous ones. Same with Portugual, Seychelles and likely anyone else where vaccination rates are high. A ‘spikes for them would be barely a bump in unvaccinated countries.
https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/qatar
https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/portugal
https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/seychelles
Excuse me, but your Seychelles link shows a massive spike in cases AFTER everyone was vaxxed. How do you explain Seychelles case rate of 328 per 100k VS India’s 28 per 100k in a MUCH more crowded country that’s almost completely UNvaccinated but DID use Ivermectin?
Covid Surges In 4 Of 5 Most Vaccinated Countries—Here’s Why The U.S. Should Worry (forbes.com)
Seychelles most vaccinated nation on Earth but Covid-19 has surged (cnbc.com)
Furthermore, why are our case counts portending to be worse this year than last year if vaccines work? Crickets are chirping again.
“What is happening in Seychelles? Some experts point to the type of vaccine given to most of the population: the Chinese Sinopharm. There are scientists who question whether this vaccine is effective at all… Be that as it may, the health authorities of the Seychelles say that the vaccination campaign has worked because the peak of infections did not lead to an explosion of serious cases. Getting vaccinated may not protect 100% from a new infection, they suggest, but it does cause the infection to be mild and not endanger our existence… The underlying message is that the archipelago is not facing a wave of COVID-19 like the first ones.”https://www.msn.com/en-ca/lifestyle/travel/news/the-strange-case-of-seychelles-a-new-covid-19-wave-in-the-worlds-most-vaccinated-country/ss-BB1gTZNT?pfr=1#image=13
“Authorities say there are just over 1,000 active cases, with around 65 per cent coming from those who are unvaccinated or have only received one dose. ”
https://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics/2021/05/why-is-the-highly-vaccinated-seychelles-experiencing-a-covid-spike
Also while the vaccination rate was 60%, which at that time was being “highly vaccinated”, they were rapidly vaccinating , being at less than 50% just the month before, there was simply not enough time for vaccine efficacy to fade as in Israel. It’s clear that the vaccine they used was not nearly as effective as the other vaccines right from the start.
https://ycharts.com/indicators/seychelles_coronavirus_full_vaccination_rate
Define vast majority.
What if the vast majority of the staff were vaccinated?
Would the vast minority that were unvaccinated still be to blame?
What if it has been so long since the vaxxed staff had been vaccinated that it wasn’t really working so well against infection and the associated reduction in viral load any more?
Wouldn’t the benefits of vaccination against infectivity have been significantly reduced after so long?
Isn’t it possible that a vaccinated person may have contributed to the outbreak.
Isn’t it possible that the unvaccinated staff members that tested positive were also infected in the outbreak.
Consider the gestation of Delta is 2to3 days.
If Dr. Coren wants to reasonably assign blame based on someone testing positive, not only would they have had to test positive before the outbreak, the vaxxed and unvaxxed would have to be tested in the same manner and frequency.
If testing the staff was a strategy designed to prevent an outbreak, I’d say it failed.
If testing the staff was a strategy designed only to assign blame in the certain eventuality of an outbreak, I’d say it was a waste of time.
I’d say that the vaccines’ waning efficacy is a significant factor in this outbreak, and to not acknowledge that, in addition to the possibility that it stems from an unvaccinated individual, is entirely disingenuous, and is scapegoating.
Apparently the buck doesn’t stop at Dr. Coren’s desk.
Why do u spell vaccinated correctly but then spell unvaccinated with the horrible double xx??
I didn’t know it was offensive. I tend to roll back and forth. Here’s me using vaxxed. https://kymkemp.com/2021/09/27/trinity-county-announces-two-new-deaths-from-covid-7th-death-this-month/#comment-1430044
I checked. On my website, folks on both sides of the vaccine debate use vaxxed and unvaxxed.
Just curious
Oh I never said it was offensive
. Don’t have to be snear.. I e never even stated weather I am anti vaccine or not.. I just like healtht debate and look at all sides.
I wasn’t sneering. I was just answering what looks like a complaint about me using the double xx.
Respectfully, I don’t see that as true.
Add up vaccinated people, serological data indicating previous infection of 100M, immunity and transmission data of vaxed vs unvaxed. The Rnot of delta, etc…I’m not surprised that unvaxed people are leading in deaths, but to say that they are leading the transmission seems very silly
Where the virus is and isn’t in the body determines infectivity. Viral loads for SARS-COV-2 are mostly taken from nasal swabs but deaths are not from virus there but virus in the lungs, heart and other organs. The vaccine is protective from death, despite similar nasal swab tests, because those organs are more protected from infection. And corona virus is notorious for being spread from things like shouting, singing etc, in confired area- ie air projected from the lungs. Different antibodies effect virus in different places.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34315825/
If the disease spread only from sneezing, you might have some point. But it doesn’t. Being sneezed might spread the virus effectively but who stands there to be sneezed on repeatedly by random people? Hardly anyone. But everyone who is speaking to each other is spreading virus from the lungs, not the nose. If the lungs are protected, the spread from vocalizations are reduced.
Even anti vaxxers subconsciously know that because the whole reason ivermectin has reached the level of fad with them is that it is a drug that is known to accumulate in the lungs. The trouble with that is of course the levels of ivermectin needed to create a substantial affect are toxic.
Please don’t confuse them with facts. It causes them to run into walls.
Anti-faccts or anti-faxx….
Look Ma, no hands, over the line now with both feet, jumping up and down, waving the arms…
Maybe, I shouldn’t have noticed…
A rose is a rose…
You are right, that has been reported even by the CDC. However a more recent study by Israel found that vaccination significantly reduced viral load in breakthrough cases (15 times less) which makes sense because we have evidence that viral load is correlated to case severity and we know that the unvaccinated have much higher rates of hospitalization.
Unfortunately with the delta variant this protection wanes rapidly.
“The findings revealed that the two-dose regimen of the BNT162b2 vaccine is highly effective in reducing viral loads of delta breakthrough infections during the initial two months post-second dose vaccination. Compared to unvaccinated individuals, vaccinated individuals exhibited 15-fold lower viral loads, which is similar to that observed in breakthrough infections by non-delta variants. However, the protection against viral load started reducing after two months of the second vaccine dose, followed by a complete diminution after 6 months.”
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210906/Israeli-study-on-viral-load-Delta-infections-vaccinations-and-boosters.aspx
Conflicting studies are emerging but both the paper finding similar viral loads and conflicting studies are still pre-peer review and publication.
https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-individuals-have-similar-viral-loads-in-communities-with-a-high-prevalence-of-the-sars-cov-2-delta-variant/
https://alternativewaytohealth.org/covid-19/study-fully-vaccinated-healthcare-workers-carry-251-times-viral-load-pose-threat-to-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers.html
Since there is a strong association between viral load and severity of illness, it makes sense that the vaccinated would have lower viable viral loads, since they typically have less serve cases.
Again those are from nasal swabs. And the study equates infectivity to nasal swab viral load. As the paper itself says, “Nevertheless, only a slight decline was observed in preventing severe disease and its consequences”. What the paper says about viral load being equated to infectivity is “Our study has a number of limitations. First, although viral load is a common proxy for infectiousness, positive PCR results do not necessarily imply a viable virus and the correlation between viral loads and infectability is sensible but not fully established. Second, recent studies suggested that a faster viral load decline can be found in vaccinated compared to unvaccinated individuals with Delta infection.” https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.29.21262798v1.full
As long as vaccination reduces severe disease, it is likely to reduce infectivity despite nasal swab viral loads.
Emphasis on, “…during the initial two months…”, and on, “a complete diminution after six months”.
How long has it been since the staff was fully vaccinated?
So much for it being impossible for the vaxxed staff to have introduced the outbreaks initial infection.
If it’s not black and white, why the blinders that it could have been either way?
A person is consider fully vacainted 2 weeks after their second shot, or 2 weeks after J&J. So your question does not make sense.
No one said it was impossble for vaxed staff to introduce an outbreak, it is just not nearly as likely, and in this specific case it is known that the staff who tested postie were not vaccinated.
Check your own blinders.
It is not “impossible” for vaxxed people to spread infection. It is just less likely. At this point, still a lot less likely. That may change if the vaccines protection against severe illness wanes too. Even if it does, vaccination still provides benefit to both the person being infected and the person spreading the infection- they are significantly less likely to die.
Why would you consider not dying to be immaterial?
Less likely two months after full vaccination, from there , more and more likely, until there is no difference.
So again, I ask, how long has it been since the vaccinated staff were vaccinated?
Long enough for a complete diminution of reduced viral load if infected?
Sounds like it is very likely.
Consider also that 3 times as many staff that are 1/3 as likely to spread infection represent exactly the same risk to the residents as 1/3 as many of the staff being 3 times as likely to spread infection.
The risk of infection from the vaccinated will, however, increase significantly over time, due to waning efficacy.
It’s the unvaccinated that are at an elevated risk of infection and illness.
‘smh’, you unfortunately missed the jist.
Not sure how you came up with completeness of vax status.
I was talking about the waning of the vaccination’s effect on the reduction of viral load over time, resulting in complete diminution, from your own reference.
The, ‘if it’s not black and white, why the blinders’ question was actually not supposed to be directed at you, that actually was a question for Kym.
I should have made that more clear.
Specifically, how is it not even at all possible, that someone who was vaccinated could have contributed to the outbreak?
I find that an unreasonable assertion.
As long as vaccinations continue to reduce the risk of severe disease in the same age groups, ie it protects the lungs, then it is also likely it reduces the spread even as the protection in the nose and throat decreases..
Ullr is correct, as usual. I would ad that the vaccinated are more likely to be asymptomatic. Asymptomatic individuals spread covid more as they don’t have symptoms and so don’t realize they are carriers. The bullshit people are spreading about vaccinated people not being as contagious is only adding to the problem. The second time I caught covid it was way less harsh than the first time. First time I was sick for about 10 days. Felt like a bad flu. The second time I had a headache for a day. The third time will be even easier. That’s how nature works. I respect Farce and Ernie’s choice to get vaccinated but would like to warn them to be just as cautious about spreading covid as they were before. Don’t believe the bullshitters who tell you you are less likely to spread it now that you are vaxxed.
Asymptomatic individuals (vaccinated or not) are less likely to spread the virus, in regard to viral load, since viral load and symptoms go hand-in-hand. But for both vacainted and unvaccinated individuals, if you don’t know you have the virus you cannot know to isolate.
Also, the unvaccinated will initially experience a period of infection with little to no symptoms (just like the vaccinated) upon contracting the virus, and they are more likely to contract it to begin with.
People who are vaccinated are more likely to engage in other behaviors that prevent spread, not less likely.
Less likely to contract = less likely to spread. You cant spread what you don’t have.
Damn the studies- full speed ahead. Yes, if you survive that is how the immune system works. Vaccinated or not. It’s just with vaccination, your first actual infection has a much lower risk of damaging you so that you can survive better to build immunity. If you have a good immune system for vaccination to prime, your first real infection skips the ten days of misery and is more likely to be like the second one you reported.
BTW did anyone say that it was impossible for a vaccinated person to spread infection? Or did they say it was just less likely. Anyway no one working in places that are full of immune compromised people should think about vaccination as if they didn’t.
If you add up all the vaccinated people, then use cdcs own serological blood bank study indicating a minimum 100M naturally infected. So using serological data applied at the same ratio to the unvaccinated crowd, and the fact that cases are up 300% from a year ago, that there is no herd immunity, and the naturally recovered do not seem to spread the virus. If you think this all adds up I don’t know what to say, I don’t have the answers but neither does anyone else. Maybe the unvaxed are dying more, so far, but it seems clear at least that the vaxed are fueling a wildfire that maybe won’t be put out. Very scary scenario
If one were to generalize from this sample, it looks like unvaccinated elderly are not succumbing to the virus and conversely, the vaccinated elderly are. Another example of misleading statistics.
Beings as it is a nursing home it is more of a control group with infection brought on by unvaccinated workers as it states. Over 80 and needing enough care to not be able to stay in their own home
“Dr. Coren said the last two weeks have seen 13 deaths and eight of those are attributed to outbreaks at two local nursing homes.”
Those “vaccinated” folks were also severely compromised to the point of being in a care home and just trying to enjoy the rest of their lives.
If you are a caretaker you should be vaccinated. I can respect your not wanting to be vaccinated, but I can’t respect you spreading disease. Get another job!
Yep, if anybody is going to wipe my ass for me, they better be vaccinated. That is just common courtesy.
LOL
Since a large percentage of nursing home residents and elderly in general are vaccinated, the unvaccinated are dying at a far greater rate than their share of the population.
I think its showing that most people in a nursing home are vaccinated and unfortunately some compromised people who get vaccinated are going to die.
If the majority of those nursing home residents had not been vaccinated many more would probably have died.
You think youre gonig to get through with logical reasoning? If that worked we wouldnt be in this situation.
If one were to make that generalization from this sample, they would be making an obvious and embarrassing error in thinking. lol
Assuming that statewide vax stats hold for Mendo County, vaxxed people represent 81% of the senior population but only 66% of the deaths. So unless there’s a big deviation from state averages, this does not indicate that vaxxed people die more. In fact, it indicates the opposite.
It also would indicate that the vaccine isn’t working that well for them. Less than 20% efficacy against death, from your numbers.
Actually, it is a slightly better than 50% improvement compared to unvaxxed. 3 deaths/19 corresponds to higher than 12 deaths/80 in unvaxxed. That’s more than double the 6 deaths/81 that occur with the vaxxed. Again, assuming the vax rate mirrors statewide averages.
So many deaths for such a small county People keep telling me things are getting bette The Is the people dying way too many we never had this at the height of the Pandemic And Winter is coming
Never mind this limited sample. What’s the running count on unvaccinated deaths to vaccinated ones? Last I read, it was 11 to 1. That translates to roughly 8% of the deaths being vaccinated people.
If everyone was vaccinated who would you point your finger at? Vaccinated people would still be dying.Pointing at the unvaccinated because vaccinated people died is down right hilarious. These unvaccinated people must be strong to catch a supposedly deadly virus, carry it around and mutate it , spread it to people who have a “ shield” against it and kill them. All while most of them never had any symptoms or even knew they had it! Sorry you took the placebo shot that made your living in fear of life syndrome momentarily subside, but the unvaccinated are starting to look like the stronger breed. Population control is a bitch and the shot is the grim reapers tool .
The reality is that vaccinations are so spectacularly effective that public health experts are horrified that they haven’t maintained their effectiveness over time. In other word they work well but don’t last. Eventually it seems that the vaccinated become just as vulnerable as the unvaccinated. Maybe.
Your post is so full of utter nonsense. You can’t seem to settle on which idea to use to bash vaccines. You rejoice over vaccinated old people dying as you think it shows how badly the vaccine works at the same time you rejoice over the disease not being deadly as unvaccinated people survive just fine. A person who thinks strictly in simple black and white terms is going to be incapable of every understanding a not black and white world. BTW killing off old people is nothing like population control.
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“If everyone was vaccinated who would you point your finger at?”
Only those who refuse to wear masks of social distance. Of course there would be far less reason and desire to point fingers.
“These unvaccinated people must be strong to catch a supposedly deadly virus, carry it around and mutate it , spread it to people who have a “ shield” against it and kill them.”
They are “stronger” than the elderly. Did you not understand this? Talk about hilarious.
The unvacianted are contracting and dying from the virus at a higher rate, stronger breed indeed. Definitely not so strong at thinking.
This is the loop of “ trust the science”
“ you can’t challenge what we say today it’s science! “
“ you cannot hold us accountable for what we said yesterday because the science changed ! “
Repeat
Anti vaxxers on the other are the exact opposite. They never change their most defective thinking while diverting criticisms by not relying on any proof in the first place. They are all about trusting the anecdote, not the statistic. They slavishly follow every online conspiracy, hardly ever interrupting their paranoia with asking if the most ridiculous statements can possibly be true.
Existing consensus or majority opinion in any scientific discipline can always be challenged. Just not with ignorance, superstition/faith and fear.
Changing position with increased data is supposed to be a weak point somehow?
I believe this virus prion presentation by Dr. Richard Fleming to be true.
The SARS-COV-2 Drug Vaccines | Dr. Richard Fleming
I also believe that people that are in any of the COVID high risk groups… should take the mRNA vaccines. Close living in nursing homes is classic vaccine territory. Workers are tested twice weekly in OR. It is unclear if more PPE will be required for un vac workers..or if on Oct 18th..they will no longer have a job. There is lots of close work… sponge baths, adult diapers…and things as simple as visits by the food staff…asking folks what they would like for dinner. Individual care….and COVID exposure risk to folks that are often weak anyway… extra protections of all sorts are required.
If you think people are in close contact and quarters now consider the effect this will have.
As California’s pandemic eviction moratorium expires, many Mendocino County residents have already slipped through the cracks
By Dana C. Ullman | 17 seconds ago
The housing crisis in urban areas has received most of the attention, but the shortfall in affordable housing in rural areas is growing, especially for essential workers and communities of color.
https://mendovoice.com/
You can Thank Ca. Dem Politicians for their fines fees and housing interference.
Dana,
Very similar situation here in the Rogue Valley. I-5 is the gift that keeps on giving as far as transients. We also have an illegal immigrant slave labor situation with some of herb farms. Large number of renters will be displaced when the COVID renter assistance program sunsets. Many of these folks are either forced to live in unsanitary conditions…or will soon be homeless…and we all know that battle with camping.
I just got back from a [major] health clinic for a work injury. They are looking at losing most staffing via the Oct 18th vac mandate deadline. Others are unhappy with management…and they are choosing this time to leave as they see heavier lifting coming..and no raises for same.
Jackson/Josephine County elected have started to fight Gov Katie B.
Legal expert talks vaccine mandates, as JaCo/JoCo Commissioners fight them | KMVU Fox 26 Medford
I think 6 eastern ORE counties have declared state of emergency for the mandate….as in a small rural hospital…you lose a couple of staff for non vac…. you don’t have a hospital.
Seems about right for the months ahead:
David Bowie – Changes (Live) – YouTube
If media was not so loose possibly and there weren’t all these alternate sites spreading misinformation we might not be in the situation we are.
There is a reason that people are highly trained in these different various fields to do their jobs. The armchair policing and the I read it on the web so it’s true stances are proliferating worse than the virus itself!!! Knowledge does not equal understanding. But understanding fully does take a certain knowledge.
It amazes me how many people prefer censorship, as long as they aren’t the ones censored.
Be careful of what you ask for. It could soon be applied to you.
The same people calling for censorship are the people calling for vaccine mandates. The liberals are looking more and more like fascists. Sad to see so many people ignorantly falling in line with that.
What about the other four?
Heres my advice …trust the maker of life. Nothing creatED is without its CreatOR. Do what you can every day to find out more about that. Ask the universe. The Bible says if you seek God with all your heart you WILL find Him. We’re all gonna die. Some won’t make it through today. Seek out your Creator while you can. Have peace.
if You’re gonna buy into a lie please make sure that’s what YOU really believe. Slowdown and SEARCH your own heart.
Psalm 91
A good place to start.
Don’t read it – you do not want to know this. Besides, it’s extra long, full of medical terminology and extensive references.
theautomaticearth.com/2021/09/spartacus/
Thank you. Still reading it.
I think we should put all the vaccinated in n camps and see what happens.. it will be like a science experiment. Just for like a month or so, or, how about 2 weeks?
Kym, where is the journalistic due diligence, when you need it?
Dr. Coren’s assertion that the average age of the vaccinated Covid19 deaths is 95 needs to be fact checked.
Big time. I give that one a “pants on fire” rating.
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The average age of Californians dying of COVID-19 is increasingly younger in what officials say is another example of the state’s vaccination gap.
Over the course of the pandemic in California, the average age of people who have died from COVID-19 is 73. But since April, the average age of COVID-19 victims is 67. And since August, the average age is 66, according to data from the California Department of Public Health.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-24/average-age-of-covid-19-victims-getting-younger
Hi Angela Robinson,
The statistic I am questioning, is Dr. Corens statement that the average age of Mendocino’s vaccinated Covid19 breakthrough deaths is 95.
I don’t believe that it could possibly be true.
The average age for the 6 mentioned is 87.5.
That means that there would need to be the equivalent of 6 more that are an average age of 102.5, in order to average 95.
Considering I am pretty sure that there was one that was under 40, etc., I consider it impossible.
But crickets only from Kym, who takes his word as gospel, and not to be questioned, even if it is clearly impossible.
I am somehow incredulously pontificating, anonymously even, and without credentials, no less.
And Dr. Coren is an expert, etc., etc.
95 average? Evidence please.
I ain’t buying it. Not one bit.
Born in the night, not last night.
Feel free to dig around yourself. Tonight is pay bills night and get ready to take my mom and her best friend to Eureka. If you can wait a couple days, I’ll try and get a list together if I have time. BUT I believe him. You don’t. Ergo, the responsibility lies with you to find proof that he is lying/mistaken.
But I can tell you that as of August 24, the youngest person to die in Mendocino was 41 and she wasn’t vaccinated. https://www.ukiahdailyjournal.com/2021/08/24/covid-19-latest-fatality-in-mendocino-county-was-41-the-youngest-to-die-from-the-virus/ Of course…Dr. Coren/Public Health could have been lying then, too.
I was mistaken about the young man, it wasn’t Covid19 related.
Regardless, don’t you find the 95 age average inachievable considering just the six that were mentioned in this article, age averaged to 87.5?
In order to average 95 there would need to be a corresponding equivalent of 6 with an average age of 102.5?
And you simply believe it?
No need to dig. Be realistic.
I found a 66 yr old woman from Gualala, August 12. She is going to need the equivalent of a corresponding 124 yr old.
It’s your site that represents this claim of 95.
As far as I’m concerned, I’ve already proved it is false, the burden of proof is not on me, but I believe I have provided it.
How many vaccinated Covid19 deaths have there even been in Mendocino?
I’m coming up with 7, including the 66 year old.
66,98,96,79,82,84,and 86.
I came up with an average of 84.43 years (591 ÷ 7). Not 95. Not even 85. If there was 8, the 8th would have had to have been 169.
He is clearly mistaken, or he’s lying. Your pick.
I’d bet 95 isn’t true.
But I’m no expert, remember?
Like I said. I don’t have time to do this now but you can go through and glean the info from here: https://www.mendocinocounty.org/community/novel-coronavirus/covid-19-news/?fbclid=IwAR0a9H8SAcfbN92VRTYGGNRVZT7QtlQuV_oHsMck2H1VETikWv-otExqMiM and the archived news.
No thanks, Kym,
What I have provided is plenty sufficient to show that 95 as an average for post-vaccination deaths in Mendocino isn’t possible.
My wife agrees that the ’95’ claim stood out like a sore thumb, and that it was totally questionable.
Doctors make mistakes. I’m not going to just believe them because they are a Doctor. Plenty of Quacks out there. Whatever they say still has to shake out. This doesn’t. Some claims are easier to disprove than others.
Like the ’95 claim’. Easy to totally disprove. What is surprising to me is that he presented this as fact to the Mendocino Board of Supervisors and everyone else, and everyone just accepts it as gospel, no questions asked., except me and mine? But I provide irrefutable evidence to the contrary, and that is what is unacceptable and unbelievable?
I hope someone else sees through his nonsense, besides just me and my wife.
I’ve spelled it out as best as I can.
The information in this article provides proof enough.
Add the 66 year old Gualala woman, and it only becomes clearer.
The ball is in your court now, not mine.
Dr. Coren’s claim can’t be proven, its untrue.
The youngest Mendocino Covid19 death, (after that), was reported in the Ukiah Daily Journal, and by Matt LaFever on MendoFever, on September 8, 2021. The 65th Covid19 death was an unvaccinated 36 yr old.
Not part of the equation. Just an FYI.
I’ve asked Matt to gather info on this. He’s requested all ages of vaccinated and unvaccinated as well as some more info.
Thank you.
More info. like how many vaccinated staff tested positive?
(They were the ones that were less than predominant).
Were the positive vaccinated staff numbers only slightly less than the positive unvaccinated staff?
Was that overall for all four facilities? (One was a jail, I believe,
but no accusations of unvaccinated or vaccinated staff testing positive of being killers in that ‘sanctuary’).
Should the unvaccinated jail staff have to “find a different job”?
What was the breakdown of vaxxed vs unvaxxed in each facility?
The jail could have skewed the balance in aggregate heavily towards the unvaxxed.
What was the balance in just the nursing homes?
And I listened to Dr Coren’s presentation.
To his credit…
He did not blame the fatalities on on the unvaccinated staff, as it is implied he did, he implicated only the exposure to the surge of infections.
The implication he did so, or any attribution of that sentiment as coming from Dr. Coren, needs to be cleared up, IMHO.
He may have made an error when figuring the average age of post vaccine Covid19 deaths, but he did not scapegoat the unvaccinated staff as being the sole cause of any of the deaths.
Kym I averaged 9 vaccinated deaths from the archives to 86.67 yrs old.
94 66,85,98,96,96,79,82, and 84.
780. (780 ÷ 9) = 86.67.
The tenth was 86, but it was after Dr.Corens claim of 95 average, and it doesn’t help, anyway.
That tenth breakthrough death dropped the average slightly to 86.6.
Considering that there would need to have already been 9 additional vaccinated Covid19 deaths with an average age of 103.33 yrs old that haven’t been mentioned.
That simply isn’t possible, Kym. The only reasonable thing for you to do is to concede that Dr. Coren must have erred.
No amount of new information will change the fact that what he said isn’t possible. The statistics prove it.
You have punted it, and handed it off to Matt LaFever to avoid that reality.
No more information is necessary in order to make a determination
that what I am saying is true, and what Dr. Coren has asserted can’t possibly be correct.
Simply believing what he said, without proper consideration, just because he is a Doctor, is in this case, a mistake.
Average age of breakthrough deaths in Mendocino isn’t 95.
And it wasn’t ever 95.
That won’t change.
Wouldn’t that be expected, if the first wave killed off the oldest and most vulnerable
Am I on moderation Kym?
My last comment says “waiting approval .”
Sorry, “Awaiting”…
I am sorry. You are not on moderation. For some reason, occasionally the site glitches and a commenter who is not on moderation gets the “Awaiting Approval” notice but it seems that the site recognizes it and fixes it before two hours are up (it may be sooner but definitely two hours)
The corporate media has an agenda, and it isn’t In your best interest. Think real hard about why they should actually care about your well being?
How many people here stay awake at night worrying about the homeless people, the drug addicts, teen mothers, or those left behind in this society?
Most of you slept fine with a belly full of food.
Out of sight , out of mind.
When was there a day after day story on homeless and the hungry?
Covid is taking all the oxygen out of the room.
You are absolutely right. This has had way too much attention for less than 1/2 of 1% of the population being severely affected; The vast majority of those already with compromised health. All this attention should be going to other causes, several of which you have identified.
Here is are some questions for Matt LaFever,
Did Dr. Coren say that only unvaccinated staff tested positive for Covid19?
Did he mention if there were any vaccinated staff associated with the four outbreaks that tested positive for Covid19, and if so, how many did he indicate?
And if there were, do you think it is possible that the vaxxed positive staff could have been where some of the outbreak infections originated?
And if there were, why did you make no mention of them?
Dr Coren said that staff that tested positive were predominantly unvaxxed, (that means that many were vaxxed), and he didn’t single them out as being the ones that were having fatal consequences on those that were vaccinated and vulnerable.
For that he blamed the surge in infections.
What he said, and what you imply he said, are very different meanings.
I listened very carefully to his presentation, repeatedly.
It was very different than this version. Very different.
With all this talk of vaxxer and non vaxxer , its almost like the survival rate from the virus is not 98% and higher. I cant believe the animosity between people over a virus that has such a high survival rate. Did I miss where the ‘science experts’ are guiding people on how to build their immune systems through GOOD HEALTH or do all experts recommend experimental vaccines and its just the quacks that do that? Very confusing indeed as there is no common sense involved in a politicized sickness. This is not an area where ALL scientist believe the same thing or ALL educated people. When you have doctors and nurses that worked throughout the pandemic being fired for refusing the vaccine it makes you wonder what they know that we common folks do not. All the viscousness over a virus with a 1.6% mortality rate doesn’t make much sense.
What happened?
Must have been where Dr. Coren learned how to really stretch things.
Dr. Coren says that the average age of post vaccination Covid19
death in Mendocino is ’95’
But he’s the “EXPERT”, right?
You say, the ‘odds’ are, that I’m wrong, about him being wrong, right?
Fauci’s mistakes can be attributed to “changing science”.
What can Dr. Coren’s statement be attributed to? (Really just a mistake?)
And so I don’t get accused of not backing it up with facts… 7 associated…
98, 96, 79, 82, 84, 86, 66.
(591÷7= 84.43), it’s not 95.
Is he wrong? Think of the ‘odds’.
I think that his statement, is ‘odd’.
And just simply believing it, is ‘odd’.
Those, to me, are the real ‘odds’.
Kym, if you think he is right, and I am wrong, and since you have called my lesser “credentials” into question, (for whatever reason), please prove he is correct, and it is I, that have erred.
Here is the clincher question…
(It’s rhetorical)
Have there been 7 corresponding post-vaccination Mendocino Covid19 deaths that average 105.57 years old to counter the 7 that averaged 84.43?
Because that would be what is necessary to average 95 yrs old.
Except he did not say that. That little bit was from the reporter, not Fauci. And even the quote most closely to that inaccurate meme was from the President’s Advisory Board which was quoted as “The varying ‘effectiveness’ rates miss the most important point: The vaccines were all 100 per cent effective in the vaccine trials in stopping hospitalisations and death.” Note the IN THE TRIALS part of the sentence that was left off this cherry picking meme. And Fauci did not say off at all. In fact further down in the article he said that now was not time to put aside risk reducing behavior.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/vaccine-covid-fauci-deaths-b1808878.html
Zackly. Keep posting