Additional Breakthrough Hospitalizations and Deaths Counted Today; Another Person Dies With COVID, Four New Hospitalizations
Press release from the County of Humboldt:
Seventy-seven new cases of COVID-19 have been confirmed in Humboldt County today, bringing to 8,098 the total number of residents who have tested positive for the virus.
Four new hospitalizations were also reported, including a person in their 50s, two in their 60s and one over the age of 80. A person in their 60s has died.
After extensive case review, Public Health officials have identified six additional fully vaccinated individuals who have died from the virus. A total of seven residents have died from post-vaccination or “breakthrough” illness out of 84 total deaths attributed to the virus. Thirty-four people have been hospitalized due to post-vaccine illness out of 368 total hospitalizations.
Humboldt County Health Officer Dr. Ian Hoffman expressed his heartfelt condolences for these losses and stressed again the importance of an additional dose of mRNA vaccine for immunocompromised individuals.
“Our local data matches what we know from CDC and CDPH: fully vaccinated people with severe risk factors and compromised immune systems are at higher risk for being a post-vaccine case, hospitalization or fatality compared to other fully vaccinated people with stronger immune response to vaccine,” Hoffman said.
He added that statistics continue to show that unvaccinated cases are younger and are much more likely to be infected, become hospitalized, and die from COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated.
The seven-day average case rate is currently 32.6, meaning that for every 100,000 county residents, about 33 people have tested positive over the last seven days.
The county has recorded 375 new positive cases since the last weekly data update on Sept. 10. Three residents have died from the virus during that same period. Twelve county residents have been hospitalized over the last week. Their age ranges are as follows:
- 1 person in their 30s
- 3 people in their 50s
- 4 people in their 60s
- 1 people in their 70s
- 3 people over the age of 80.
Testing for COVID-19 is now available at most Public Health vaccine clinics, where residents will have the option of getting tested, vaccinated or both. As always, testing and vaccination services are free of charge. Combo clinics will be held this weekend in Miranda and McKinleyville, with additional clinics next week in Hoopa, Willow Creek, Garberville, Blue Lake and Arcata.
COVID-19 testing continues in Eureka from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. seven days a week at the Wharfinger Building at 1 Marina Way. The test site is operated by OptumServe and located in the Bay Room on the lower floor of the building. The site is closed from 11 a.m. to noon and 4 to 5 p.m. for staff meal breaks. Walk-ins are welcome, but preregistration is recommended. Sign up at lhi.care/covidtesting.
Public health officials continue to urge residents to get tested, particularly unvaccinated individuals, those experiencing symptoms, and those who have been in close contact with someone who has tested positive for the virus.
Walk-ins are welcome, and appointments can be made in advance at MyTurn.ca.gov. For instructions in English and Spanish on how to use My Turn, go to humboldtgov.org/VaccineInfo.
See the schedule below for specific clinic dates, times, locations and available services:
Miranda — Saturday, Sept. 18, from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m.
South Fork High School (6831 Avenue of the Giants)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson
Testing availableMcKinleyville — Sunday, Sept. 19, from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m.
McKinleyville High School (1300 Murray Road)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson
Testing availableEureka — Monday, Sept. 20, 9 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. (closed from noon to 1 p.m.)
Public Health (529 I St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
Testing NOT availableHoopa — Tuesday, Sept. 21, 11 a.m. to 2 p.m.
Yurok Tribe Weitchpec Office (State Route 96)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
Testing availableWillow Creek — Tuesday, Sept. 21, 3 to 5 p.m.
Public Health (77 Walnut Way)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
Testing availableGarberville — Wednesday, Sept. 22, 10 a.m. to 3 p.m.
Public Health (727 Cedar St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
Testing availableBlue Lake — Thursday, Sept. 23, 10 a.m. to 1:30 p.m.
Blue Lake Resource Center-Skinner Store (111 Greenwood Road)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
Testing availableArcata — Thursday, Sept. 23, 4 to 6 p.m.
Arcata High School (1720 M St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson
Testing availableEureka — Friday, Sept. 24, 1 to 4 p.m.
Transition-Age Youth Division (433 M St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
Testing availableArcata — Friday, Sept. 24, 9 a.m. to noon
D Street Neighborhood Center (1301 D St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & Johnson/Moderna
Testing availableVaccination is also available at local pharmacies. To check availability of a specific vaccine at local pharmacies, visit vaccines.gov, or text your ZIP code to 438829 to locate a pharmacy offering vaccines nearby. Most pharmacies allow walk-ins.
Pfizer is authorized for those 12 and older, and Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines are authorized for people age 18 and older. County residents age 16 and 17 can receive a vaccination at Public Health clinics without a parent or guardian physically present as long as they have a signed consent form. Children under 16 still must be accompanied by their parent or legal guardian.
While some fully vaccinated individuals have experienced post-vaccination infection, health officials overwhelmingly agree that vaccination is the most effective way to reduce the incidence of severe outcomes.
Full protection from vaccination is achieved two weeks after receiving the second dose of a two-dose series or two weeks after receiving a single-dose vaccine.
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7 out of 84 deaths were vaxed. 34 out of 368 hospitalized patients were vaxed. Looks pretty clear to me.
Clear to me also, how many of the 84 were under the age of 30?
Sorry I am busy doing my own research right now. But the information is available if you look for it.
🕯🌳What looks clear?🖖🖖
What looks clear is by the official numbers about 8% of people with the vaccine have either been hospitalized or died. I’m not taking a stance, but I think they have been promising 95% plus efficacy
Not promising. The were measuring efficacy rates. The situation has changed now with the delta variant, which is much more contagious. I got a booster.
You need a math lesson. 34 hospitalizations divided by 75,208 (the current number of fully vaccinated in Humboldt) equals .00045, or .045%. In other words, you were off by a factor of nearly 500.
I definitely worded that poorly
Please review your math
It doesn’t work as advertised. You could still catch covid. You can’t sue. You could still be hospitalized. You can’t sue. You could still die from covid. You can’t sue. You could die from the vaccine. You can’t sue. So get vaccinated today!
And before you get all political on me- I am an avowed Socialist; to the left of Bernie.
🕯🌳Why should I get political? I like your “free from Loco ” though. And the people they talked about died while vaccinated. I stated a few days ago that only 3 deaths had occurred from the vaccine in the United States from May 2020 to July 19,2021. They were blood clots and that issue has been resolved. 🖖🖖
Where did you get 3 deaths from the vaccine? Do your research!!! You are very nieve to think only 3 deaths have occurred. Unfortunately and TRUE they cover up alot of numbers. You must know that any side effects including death from the vaccine are not up for discussion. Everyone has washed their hands clean. If anyone dies or gets sick we have no one to pin it on. Well let’s think about that…Experimental vaccine being tested on the current population and no one can be held liable?! LMAO! Of course no ones held accountable because the vaccine kills too and THEY KNOW IT!! Stop acting as if this is safe and reliable. Everyone vaccinated can still spread tbis crap too!! Carrier monkeys can’t get sick but they sure can spread a virus. Open your damn eyes! The last official count was 40 thousand plus deaths. But that keeps getting removed because of course we can’t speak of that. We can’t speak on anti vaccine. Only pro. Just pro.
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“Do your research.” Lol
🕯🌳State your source. 🖖🖖
Ok and the 7 people that died with the vaccination could’ve had complications truth and facts are people without the vaccine are spreading this virus and not even giving too shits about what children babies or people they put in the hospital at risk. You’re all being soo incredibly arrogant and naive. All you saying I’m not gonna take the vaccine because I don’t know exactly what’s in it or it’s not fda approved you sound like sheep. Things kill us everyday, normal everyday household items that you wouldn’t even know is doing harm to you. It’s your choice if you want to get vaccinated but just know y’all arrogant unvaccinated ones are the problem 🥱 i said what I said 💯
Funny thing is, if you don’t have Covid you can’t spread it.
If you get sick don’t get monoclonal antibodies. Everything you said applies to that as it is under emergency use authorization and sheltered from lawsuits.
Also, it wasn’t advertised. They are not allowed to advertise drugs under EAU.
Alaska and Idaho hospitals are full so they’re left to decide who lives (gets treatment) and who dies (these get a pill and a pillow)
🕯🌳And who’s fault is that? I’m not laying blame on anyone. It just seems like everyone wants to point a finger instead of worrying about condition its thrown us into. 🖖🖖
Link?
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article254283733.html
https://www.idahostatesman.com/opinion/editorials/article254287998.html
Are there more than two (2) hospital beds?
Only in Boise and Anchorage
Actually, efox,
That would be a little misleading…
When vaccination began,
Dec. 15, 2020,
we had already had 13 deaths.
So that would be 7 of 71 since the day vaccination began… 9.9%
But even that is not exactly a good comparison, since virtually no one was vaxxed…
As of 5 weeks later, first full vaxxed, we had 24, so, 7 of 60 since the first full vaxxed. I used 5 weeks as an average, I know J&J is 2 weeks and Moderna is 6 weeks, so 5 weeks seemed a good compromise, due to so few J&J. Then it’s 11.7% It’s more than that if you continue with that reasoning.
At 25%vaxxed we were at maybe 37. Get the idea, we need to know when the additional deaths occurred and whether it was recently or not.
That is mostly true. But also anything else that effects the ability to raise an immune response. Like immune supressing drugs, serious health issues, length of time after vaccination, exposure, etc.
For an example a very old or sick person taking a drug that lets covid rage unchecked and who lives in a congregate setting like a nursing home who has unvaccinated care givers is in a very , very precarious situation. They can be vaccinated until the cows come home but it’s never likely to do much good for long.
On the other hand a person who is still young or healthy enough to have a resonably good immune response to vaccine might still avoid a serious sickness if all the other variable are still there.
Or a person who still can’t muster a good immune response can still do okay if simply not exposed to the disease. They may do alright if their community has worked to reduce the likelihood of coming into contact with an infectious person.
It would be good for people to have the knowledge to make their situation work best for their individual needs. But officials being unwilling or unable to be clear about what they do or don’t know along with anti vaxxer misinformation making so much constant noise makes it impossible.
That checks out.
That’s fair. It would also be good to know the ages of everyone. Older people are more vulnerable and have WAY higher rates of vaccination. Dr. Hoffman noted without giving data that the unavccinated deaths skewed younger compared to the vaccinated deaths.
The randomized control trials had an age range of 16-95 with a median age of 52. Obviously, when you get into the real world the data looks a lot different with elders accepting the vaccine a much higher rates.
Yeah the data shows you’re 1/12th as likely to die and have only 10% the chance of hospitalization from covid if you’re vaccinated. Pretty good improvement in your odds from just a couple readily available and statistically safe shots. Please get vaccinated at your earliest opportunity.
That’s not right mlr.
There were 13 deaths before vaccine rollout.
How many more deaths occurred before the very first individual was fully vaxxed? Do we start comparing at 1 single fully vaxxed vaxxed? It was over 4 months before we even reached 25% fully vaxxed, and by that time 25 more had died of Covid19.
Do we start comparing at only 25% fully vaxxed?
There would be 3 times as many unvaxxed to compare them to.
That’s still without factoring a lag time.
Deaths from 25% fully vaxxed, ( no lag time), to now would be 46 of 84 deaths.
So that would be 7 of 46 deaths, or 15.21%, since then.
It might rightly be considerably more than that. Considerably more.
Exactly how much, is hard to say.
But it’s a far cry more than 1 in 12, that is for certain.
With all due respect.
Your information is well presented but the vaccinated are still 1/6th as likely to die from covid by your numbers
Thank you, mlr the giant squirrel,
I had interpreted the same way as you did initially. But then on further consideration, well, I reconsidered.
1/6 is a far cry from the 1/100 deaths that were initially promised. Remember, that 7/42 was considering only 25% fully vaxed. So it might be worse.
I figured we would reach 50% vaxxed hospitalizations on the next monthly report, and that remains to be seen, but the 6 additional breakthrough deaths
are catching me a little off guard.
Those, too, might go up.
The numbers almost certainly would have been better, had everyone gotten Moderna.
Attributing vax type to each vaxxed death, along with the length of time fully vaxxed would be valuable information to those not yet vaccinated in making their vaccine choice.
I chose Moderna. I hope that wasn’t a total blunder.
Lots of information is coming out, of course after my first jab. Lots.
Not trying to discourage the vax.
Just transparency.
In the interest of informed choice.
And yes, even 1/6 is worthy of consideration.
I’ll give you that.
I agree.
1/6th seems closer, and it’s only 9 months out, with no boosters except for the over 65 and the high risk.
Or it might be that some nursing home residents, unable to muster an immune response under any circumstances, died shortly after vaccination in January. Speculation is just that- speculation.
What we really need is a death/hospitalization graph along the time line comparing vaccinated versus unvaccinated. I wonder if public heath has plotting it already. I remember that nursing home deaths dropped precipitously after vaccination. Good for vaccination.
But that was eight months ago. Are those same people now without protection, still have some protection or have little protection? The number of unknown variables is large and constantly shifting.
Don’t forget vaccination rate in your timeline. And vaccine type. Throw the various vaccine type rollouts in there, too.
That might help.
We just got to 50/50 on 7/28/2021. You might want to factor in lag time in your graph as well. Elder deaths came down mysteriously before the lag factor. And don’t forget all the medical workers that were vaxxed initially as well, they weren’t all elders in nursing homes, there were lots of others.
That correct, but even today the elders are much more vaccinated. Nursing home residents were eligible before most health workers. It’s a reasonable guess that other vulnerable people (immunocomp et cetera) are more likely to be vaccinated than the young invincibles. In general, the unvaccinated represent a group with lower overall risk of death. Being unvaccinated is their biggest risk factor.
It seems like what we are seeing is people who are at higher risk for hardship after infection, but have chosen not to get vaccinated, being hospitalized. It is not a whole a bunch of 20 and 30 year olds dieing and being hospitalized. Its a lot of unvaccinated people in their 50s and 60s that represent the hospitalizations and deaths
I’ve heard of only one death of someone in their 20’s locally, but I haven’t seen a comprehensive breakdown of ages. Then again, I think local data is of limited use as it will always be a very small sample size. I understand the desire for local numbers on a psychological level, but not necessarily on logical one.
Well by local numbers alone we never really had anything worth getting super upset about. We are well below national averages for deaths and hospitalizations out here.
But generally what I said seems to apply. The unvaccinated that ate dieing remain older and sicker than the average population. I’ve long maintained that vaccination is almost certainly the best choice for many people. But it seems that the deaths of these higher risk people who chose not to get vaccinated is used to “prove” that young and healthy people should get vaccinated.
That seems like poor logic to me.
That’s an interesting point.
1) I think younger people do have risk levels that, while not astronomical, are higher than most people willingly take on in the current era. But I concede that assessment is individual.
2) Most people would agree that mass vaccination for polio is a good thing. But the risk of polio in absolute terms was arguably lower than COVID. Among children 70% were asymptomatic, 24% very minor. Less than 1% were paralyzed and death occurred in about 1 in 10,000. Perhaps a new era of therapeutics could even improve those odds. Outcomes were worse for adults, but few got polio I assume because of natural immunity from childhood. Overall, far fewer people were paralyzed/killed from polio each year of polio epidemics than have died from COVID in each of the last couple years, even adjusting for population growth.
3) Disease risk is individual as well as communal. An individual can say, my risk is too low to need a vaccine.” The same could be said for wearing a mask or limiting gatherings. But epidemiologists think more about lowering the overall disease burden of a community. This protects vulnerable populations and health infrastructure and reduces the speed of viral evolution. I’m not aware of many vaccination campaigns that are targeted to specific higher-risk populations. HPV is one. Maybe some hepatitis strains. But that has more to do with the risk of exposure than the risk of severe disease. Unlike HPV, COVID risk of exposure is basically universal.
1) there’s no doubt that any population scale risk level assigned to any age group won’t reflect a given individuals actual real world risk. This is why it should be an individual choice, the risk reward of any given medical intervention will be different for each individual. And that is all before we factor in the very subjective aspects of various risk tolerances and spiritual/philosophical leanings.
2) I definitely agree that the horrors of polio that we are presented are massively overblown once you look at the actual historical data. The fact that its worst case outcome manifested in such a horrifying way (paralyzed children) perhaps played into that.
Interestingly the first 40 million or so doses of the polio vaccine were contaminated with a simian retrovirus that is suspected of increasing soft tissue cancer incidence. The little study that I’ve looked at indicates that you cannot tie a direct link from those contaminated doses to the incidence of soft tissue cancers in the elderly population. But like much research on the causes of cancers, it is very hard to isolate variables and attribute causality. We are living in an increasingly toxic world.
3) I agree that that communal level thinking is the role that epidemiologists play in a society. But we do not give epidemiologists full reign over public policy. There are always tensions balancing various risks to society. I personally fear wide scale socio-emotional harm to young children over wide spread loss of the eldest generation. But as a society we try to come to some balance of everyone’s personal priorities.
I would add that epidemiologists and policymakers should also factor in some unqualifiable future risk that is inherent in allowing this virus to replicate (and therefore mutate) more-or-less unchecked. It is extremely difficult for humans to manage tail risk, and not because the typical approach is too conservative.
To the degree that society believes child safety is of increased import, evolutionary pressures would steer variants towards increased infectiousness among children, though not necessarily increased virulence. It’s just a matter of chance that this virus (for now) is more tolerated by children.
I have heard a hypothesis that evolution should drive viruses toward lower virulence and higher infectiousness (i.e., killing the host is unhelpful). But, I think some humility is needed. We don’t know all that much about how pandemics begin, progress, and end. But, I do think reducing transmission mitigates communal risk that is by definition a tail risk.
As for socio-emotional harm by losing elders: sadly, I wouldn’t count that as high risk. The reason being that our society is extremely segregated by age. The idea of a retirement community is such an anathema to our evolutionary history. How is it that an aging population presents significant social and economic challenges, yet we also have a major shortage of affordable child care?
Yes I was distinguished between the socio-emotional harm to children caused by some is the very aggressive isolation strategies and the harm caused by a greater loss of elders that we would have expected from a more lax approach. I believe the former is a greater threat to society than the latter, lastly due to that age based segregation you mentioned.
As to the question of viral evolution, I think that the known history of viruses certainly indicates that it’s not unreasonable to guess that any given virus will tend toward increased contagiousness and decreased virulence.
It’s a hypothesis that makes intuitive sense but is not necessarily empirical. Keeping your host alive is a strategy that can increase infectiousness. But, rapid reproduction and infiltration can also increase infectiousness while simultaneously increasing virulence. I don’t think this is a subject with enough hard evidence to gamble on.
Again, the entire observed history of virology seems to indicate that increased contsgiousness and decreased virulence is the norm. I understand that the mantra has been that this coronavirus is unique since the beginning.
That argument makes sense if it is a product of a bioweapon lab
Research shows if your under 30 the vaccine is a toss up, it could hurt you or it could save you , odds about the same, .0005% . Sounds like alot of boomerhype.
🕯🌳Months back I stated almost the samething your wording is almost as bad as mine but your correct. 🖖🖖
FDA SOUNDLY REJECTS BOOSTERS 16-2
Not right. Even looking at people under 50, the risk of death from covid is at least 4 times higher in the unvaccinated then the vaccinated. It’s just that death is uncommon in both. And it is no where near the levels you assume in covid category. There have been about 12,000 covid deaths under age 34 or .003% of the population. And the vaccination deaths have not been broken down by age that I can find but the total for all ages might be the .0005% you gave but that speculative.
One pleasant thought is that time makes sure that someone who is so careless about older people surely will have to worry about being effected by the same bias when (or, in the case of the foolish and abrasive, if) they age themselves.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding the statistics you’re presenting, but your sub 34 population mortality implies there are only about 4 million people under 34. That doesn’t seem accurate
Some people worry about foolish things, while others could careless about risks in life that may led to death.
What research?
Yea especially because you have a 99.something chance of living anyways. Add 12 percent to that and you live forever guaranteed right 🤷🏼🤷🏼
Johns Hopkins puts the case fatality rate in the US at 1.6%. That includes a lot of cases before Delta as well as some data post vaccination. It’s a reasonable guess that this number would be higher if only looking at Delta numbers.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
Why are people still using case fatality rate as if it accurately represents the risk from this virus? There are plenty of reputable sources you can look to to get actual infection fatality rate estimates
Is Johns Hopkins not a reliable source?
I see now I misread your comment. I’m actually not sure that infection fatality rate can be reliably estimated. It’s a moving target, especially when trying to estimate the impact of vaccines and variants. I don’t think we’re close to being able to make a statement such as, “the Delta infection fatality rate for vaccinated men in their 40s is X%”
I think it’s likely that the CFR overestimates risk for most people, but it is hard to get great estimates in real time and statements like “you have a 99.something chance of living” is misleading.
The problem with cfr is that it is inherently overstated. Unless you are willing to assert that all or nearly all cases are captured by the testing regime. I don’t know of any public health official or agency that would suggest anything close to that.
It is true that ifr is a moving target and cannot be expressed so concretely. But a range can be established by looking at various estimates over time. It doesn’t seem like a good argument to use the inherently exaggerated number just because the actual risk number would have to be stated as a range to be honest.
When I looked for recent work on ifr I found that estimates are shifting upward from the 0.25-0.33% that was cited last year toward 0.4-0.6%. I don’t see what’s so hard about offering that number to people
It’s fine to offer that, but I’m just not sure what it means. Over half of all people (US) and even more high-risk people have reduced their mortality risk via vaccination. Also, in the first year of the pandemic I saw a lot of data about excess mortality far exceeding confirmed COVID cases deaths. If that trend persists, I’m sure the vaccines will be blamed by some without any understanding that it predates vaccine rollout.
My point is CFR is less slippery the IFR, because it is less reliant on guesses about uncounted infections and uncounted fatalities. Both figures are essentially risk estimates, and as an engineer might tell us, the convention for risk estimates is to favor more conservative measures.
I suppose if you make sure to inform people that the cfr is 100% guaranteed to present you with a risk number that is higher than the actual mortality risk. That’s not how I’ve seen it used and I continue to encounter people who assert that covid has a nearly 2% mortality risk.
When this overstated risk is used to justify extreme social responses it becomes problematic to me
By the same logic I might argue that the IFR is 100% underestimating because it makes guesses about infection rates but typically doesn’t account for excess mortality rates.
Thats not the same logic. We know for a fact that less than 100% of infections are identified by pcr tests for any number of reasons.
Ifr is calculated by conducting surveillance testing for existing measures of previous infection. It is imperfect, which is why it i typically presented as a range, but it is the widely accepted as the standard way to represent population level risk
There are also lots of people to tell you the “actual” infection fatality rate is at best a guess. And a guess that varies with the activity level of a disease in the community. In simple words, there is no “acturate” in infection fatality rates. It will not be known until the pandemic has ceased circulating, working through its permutations of reinfections and variants. It’s just being trotted out because it makes the pandemic look less dangerous to include whatever segment of the population who may or may not have been infected.
Besides, it is not all about death. It’s about disability, cost and disruption too. “Dr. Katie Passaretti, an infectious disease specialist with Atrium Health, says that 99% contains a wide variety of unpleasant, and even near-fatal experiences, including long-term hospital stays, and lingering effects, even after mild infection.” https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/verify-yes-covid-19-has-a-99percent-survival-rate-but-numbers-dont-tell-the-whole-story/ar-BB1gT2Tl
Near death experiences can be psychologically traumatic. Imagine trouble breathing for months after getting released from the hospital.
Yes the true mortality risk of any disease has to always be some.level of guess. You cannot test every single person for any disease regularly. But the ifr does not include those who haven’t been infected, it is an estimate usually based on surveillance testing of what percentage of people who get infected go on to succumb to the infection.
And of course it is not the entire story, but it is a central piece of the story, and knowingly using a number that is 3-5x the actual mortality risk just because its easier to calculate doesn’t seem very honest.
Rather not get sick. At all if possible but not covid for sure.
Theres been 84 unvaxed deaths since the rollout of the vaccine?
How many of the 84 were infected before the vaccine was available to them?
13
The totals of 84 deaths and 368 hospitalizations is not meaningful for vaccine comparison because it includes the first year of the pandemic when no vaccines were available.
The statistic would be more meaningful if the number of breakthrough deaths/hospitalizations were compared against the totals from when vaccination first began, or even more accurate if measured from when vaccination became more widespread.
Not being an antivaxxer by any shake of the stick, but it looks like the percentage of breakthrough cases is far higher than the 8-9% suggested by these numbers.
Lots of other wrinkles to iron out, given that the early vaccine recipients were disproportionately elderly and unhealthy.
Definitely lots of nuance to suss out, but it’s fair to say that including deaths and hospitalizations that happened before vaccination was a possibility is pretty disingenuous if you’re looking to represent something about vaccine impact
The statement about the comparative age ranges of unvaccinated vs breakthrough cases in hospitals might give a stronger indication.
Exactly.
Study shows link between vax and getting HIV.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32156-5/fulltext
Really? Wear a condom. Know your partners HIV status.
FDA Panel Rejects Pfizer Booster Shot for Ages 16-65 Over Increased Risk of Heart Inflammation
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/just-fda-panel-rejects-pfizer-booster-shot-ages-16-65-increased-risk-heart-inflammation/
As I understand it, the liposomes that carry the mRNA are completely indiscriminate . They float into your arm, commandeer whatever cells are around, and basically set up a chicom protein sweat shop. Your immune cells see all this debauchery and decide to hellfire the whole arm (see: “moderna arm”). Remember though, we’re shooting juice in your arm… this isn’t exactly precise. Some of those liposomes hitch a ride on your bloodstream. Those liposomes float around until they encounter the first cells they see, which is probably going to be the heart or a blood vessel. At that point, they say “allahu ackbar” and smash themselves into your heart cells. Whatever they take over is going to be churning out chinesium and draw the ire of the immune system. The immune system will frag that cell so it stops… if that happens often enough in the heart, well… you die.
WAKE UP!
It’s easy, a little sore arm and then you don’t get sick. It’s simple. Don’t over think it [edit]
So now the FDA is starting to blow the whistle on the clotshots? They’re actually starting to tell the truth?! Prepare for some amazing routines in mental gymnastics by members of the Covidian Cult
I feel like the narrative will try to shift to “Trump’s vaccine”. I’ve seen some shill comments here starting that along with a few news headlines. The narrative is buckling, so I would anticipate them trying to shift the blame.
Nonsense. Even in places like Israel, where the vaccine was given many months age, show clear evidence that being vaccinated has a sizable benefit when it comes to deaths and severe illness.
Palestinians?
Kym,
Was it my reply to this offensive comment, that you found so offensive?
Willow Creeker:
Quote:
“It’s easy, a little sore arm and then you don’t get sick.
It’s simple. Don’t over think it, Einstein.”
Unquote.
It’s the “and then you don’t get sick” part of the “idea” that I don’t agree with, because that is clearly misinformation.
Hence the reply,
“It’s not that simple, …”
“simple” wasn’t capitalized, and wasn’t necessarily tied to the proper name I used, or “simple”, would have required repeating, with capitalization. I could have been referring to the equally infamous, “Mr. Says”. Plus, I used humor…
But, “Einstein” was a clear insult to another commenter. No humor involved.
How is “Einstein” not being used as an insult? Why does it remain?
Your using a double standard on me. Why?
Willow Creeker gets a pass on their insult? Why?
I wouldn’t have even replied if not for the misinformation.
It was the idea I was calling into question.
Kym,
“And then you don’t get sick” isn’t true, is it?
I know it isn’t. It’s the untruest vaccine claim.
No, that was not what you said that got deleted.
The Einstein comment is one that gets deleted for some and not for others.
Yes, but what about, “Simon”?
That’s got to be a first.
I went back a month to see if you were right that I had an unconscious bias…there are no comments using Einstein except yours and Guest’s…(but my searcher also picked up Feinstein…there were quite a few references to her.) I think people see comments before they get moderated and think I “allow” them.
What about Willow Creeker’s Einstein comment? It’s 9 comments above.
I apologize. I must have done something wrong in the search. Or there was a glitch. I missed several references to Einstein. And yes, Willow Creek’s will be removed.
The Einstein comments I missed were all in a clump. I think I must have scrolled wrong or something. How embarrassing…! My heartfelt apologies.
No problem.
I also did a search. None of these Einstein comments appeared.
The new comment system appears to be less searchable?
I assumed you must not have seen the comment “Simon” was referring to.
I learned that from before.
Like I said before, I generally hit the ball back over the net, only after someone else serves it up.
🤔🧐Generally…😁
It was the way you spelled your e-mail address, man. It destroyed her Sanity.
It’s not that simple, you can still get sick, you can still be hospitalized, you can still die.
🤔Give that proper consideration.
It’s creepy the extent to which the
gateway pundit spun that article.
https://apnews.com/article/fda-panel-rejects-widespread-pfizer-booster-shots-1cd1cf6a5c5c02b63f8a7324807a59f1?utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow
Gateway Pundit.🤪🤪🤪
Cult members do not want to be woken up. That is why they ignore the waning efficacy of the experimental drug, the evidence about natural immunity, the growing numbers of vaccinated deaths, etc.
Would you want to wake up after having excoriated everyone, only to turn out to be wrong and potentially in danger?
I guess Dr. Bhakdi’s just a quack. Just listen to Fausti.
The cultists are the anti vaxxers. They use magic words like “experimental drug”, have delusional beliefs about `natural’ immunity as if vaccine created immunity didn’t use the same immunity system, and have no idea about arithmetic much less statistics.
They are in no danger though of wanting “to wake up after having excoriated everyone”. Their whole belief system is based on wanting to excoriate fictitious entities. It is impossible to prove the absence of anything so they feel safe. If it becomes obvious enough that even they can’t deny reality, they just change the parameters. People did not all keel over when they got the shot, so they changed it to six weeks, then six months, then two years.
“People did not all keel over when they got the shot,”
Perhaps you can answer the question that no other cultist has yet been able to answer then: How many people did die or have a serious adverse event from the experimental drug you worship?
Waiting…..
rollin,
Have you considered the theory that liberals are trying to antagonize conservatives into killing themselves by refusing the vaccine? Thus improving liberals voting margins? Breitbart, yes, that bastion of right wing conspiracy theories now offers a new option to choose from in case they haven’t offered enough other conspiracy theories. https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/09/10/nolte-howard-stern-proves-democrats-want-unvaccinated-trump-voters-dead/ (Enjoy the one time I am going to link to a Breitbart article…)
The twisted levels of any conspiracy theory are hard to untangle but this one is one I thought I’d share anyway in case you hadn’t thought of it…I wouldn’t want to be accused of not offering a point of view that might not have occurred to you.
And just to be clear, I also think Howard Stern is a monster and laughing at people who are dying of a horrible disease is awful…But I do reserve the right to be amused at a conspiracy theorist that finally looks at the numbers accurately –about 95% of those dying of COVID are unvaccinated–and comes up with the idea that it must be those who are liberal and vaccinated’s fault.
Almost none compared to the vast numbers who took it and almost none compared to the 680,000 who died of COVID.
So what do you think the number is? How many people do you believe died as a direct result of the vaccine? How many do you believe were severely injured?
Died as a direct result of the vaccine? Being generous–way less than a 1000 in the US. Severely injured? Way less than 10,000. But, I’m not an expert and if I were to see credible information otherwise, I’d pay attention. But so far…nothing substantial.
I appreciate the frank answer. I hope that you are correct. My suspicion is that you have been convinced to undercount.
Well…just so we’re clear. I haven’t been out in the trenches putting check marks in boxes to count up those deaths that appear to be related to vaccines.
In reality, I know of three deaths that are related to the vaccine (the J&J). But I suspect that when everything is counted years later that there will be more…I just don’t think that that number is very important compared to the numbers dying from COVID.
Revengeance of the nerds
P&G got cancelled.
So….M.A. will be loud for a few weeks, until you make it obvious, so then Kym will delete that, and you will come up with a new one that helps you feel victimized some more.
What a cycle.
But really you’re just a pathetic [selfedit] for doing this to Kym.
Inner dialogue?
No one cares what you think.
This is a gross oversimplification. It’s a risk-benefit analysis. They noted that the vaccines are working extremely well for that age group, so they may not benefit all that much from a booster. Also, they have a very low but significant risk of myocarditis (which is (1) very treatable, (2) a very common symptoms of COVID-19 in the same age group. A recent Israeli study estimated the risk of myocarditis in young men to be one in 3000 to 6000 from the vaccine, whereas studies shoq the same problem in 2-15% of those who get COVID.
And why are you citing the FDA anyway? If you trusted them you would just get the vaccine.
There’s a concern that the Covid vaccine could increase the risk of HIV in men that receive the vaccine. Good to know.
They need to show all hospitalizations and all fatalities from anything, including Covid in the vaxxed, the unvaxxed, and the partially vaxxed, so people can decide what is best for them, and so medical professionals can decide on the best treatment for everyone.
That study was not on any vaccine currently on the market but an experimental one that’s totally different. If you want a study about the vaccines currently in use you must search for mRNA (Moderna or Pfizer) or Johnson and Johnson (viral vector not mRNA) (and I expect to have to repeatedly say this to anyone who “read an article” saying Covid vaccines cause aids.)
Wait, for real? I know they’re not required to get the vaccine, but they give them ivermectin?
https://archive.md/SGvx4
For post above
Lol, that’s only for Afghanistan refugees and it’s for WORMS not COVID.
Actual FDA hearing today was filled with data against vaccine, series of doctors speaking out. Time stamped 4:10
FDA admits risk of death for healthy 30-yr old 0.0004%!
“Real #’s show we kill more than we save”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M&t=15169s
Check out Dr. Jessica Rose at 4:09:57 who floats the question, “If the variants are increasing as mass vaccinations are rolled out, it begs the question, ‘Is the vaccine driving the new variants?’
Hello!! Yes they are.
Is there actual evidence that variants are increasing? Or is there just greater attention to variants because of one specific variant (Delta)?
If vaccines are driving more variants, does it follow that the variants will be more infectious and/or virulent?
About half of people get the flu vaccine. It is about 40-60% effective at preventing illness and also reduces severity. If vaccines drive more virulent and/or infectious viral evolution, why don’t we see seasonal influenza worsening over time as a result of the flu vaccine?
🕯🌳Every couple of years they have tweak the vaccine for the flu because a new variant comes along and I suspect they’ll be doing the same with Covid. 🖖🖖
That’s true, but certainly not the same as saying the flu vaccine causes more variants and variants that are deadlier and more contagious. That is obviously not the case.
🕯🌳I agree. The virus does that all by itself. That’s what viruses do. 🖖🖖
Yup. If we’re going to get boosters then shouldn’t they be new and improved, not just what they thought best nearly two years ago?
and more….
Bombshell testimony from doctors at FDA Vaccine hearing…
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/bombshell-testimony-from-doctors-at-fda-vaccine-booster-hearing/
Did you listen to the other 8 hours or only the 10 minutes that confirms your priors? It’s an open meeting. Any doctor can speak and of course there are those who share your views, but they are a tiny minority. It doesn’t mean they are wrong, but it is worth considering.
Tells you everything you need to know
Pfizer and Moderna employees are mandated by their employers, and wouldn’t be exempt even if that weren’t already the case.
The president has no authority to mandate vaccines for the Judiciary or Congress. Ever heard the term “co-equal branches?” Very few of them are unvaccinated in any case. Most elites that are trying to gain power by playing footsie with the anti-vax are actually vaccinated (e.g., all 50 governors and all living presidents, 90% of Fox News employees).
White house staff fall under the federal employees mandate.
In other words, your whole meme is a lie.
Also, we have no way of knowing if aliens can get COVID and the vaccines haven’t been tested on them 👽🛸👾
Perhaps covid being around is our defense against an alien invasion.
Idaho doctor: ’20 times increase’ in cancer in vaccinated patients
WorldTribune Staff, September 17, 2021
An Idaho doctor reported that he is seeing a massive “uptick” in various
autoimmune diseases and cancers
in patients who
have received the Covid-19 vaccination.
Dr. Ryan Cole, a board-certified pathologist and owner and operator of a diagnostics lab, said in a video shared on Twitter
that “since January 1, in the laboratory, I’m seeing a 20 times increase of endometrial cancers over what I see on an annual basis.”
“I’m not exaggerating at all because I look at my numbers year over year, I’m like ‘Gosh, I’ve never seen this many endometrial cancers before,’ ” he continued.
Cole said the Covid vaccines seem to be causing serious autoimmune issues.
Dr Cole was banned from YouTube. More far right bs you seem to be spreading
Being banned from YouTube? Really?
There is an astounding amount of censorship going on all platforms, it’s really wild. Look something up on google, then try DuckDuckGo, all while critically using your brain. Just see what happens. Then do it over and over again with different topics. If you are honest with yourself you will eventually see.
The world is not right at the moment
🕯🌳That what happens to people that try to spread fear with just assumptions. 🖖🖖
Owned by Google, like Facebook, and an invested in the vax, because these investments, like the Gates Foundation and all that philanthropy, seems to be a great money maker. You Know What Economic Hit MEN are?
Did you do your homework on Regulatory Capture?
Think again about how fortunes are made.
It’s a waste of time arguing statistics that are manipulated.
The truth is actively suppressed, just like after Nine11. Some of us were paying attention when that happened, and the years of testimony that attacked all the angles of the narrative.
911 was blamed on terrorists from halfway across the globe. 20 years later, we just left 83 billion in weapons over there, and now people who want to hold government accountable are the new terrorists. What’s the numbers on that?
You think that just happens, like a pandemic they wargamed and talked about years before it was rolled out.
Big Picture, small minds crunch numbers spoon fed to them, the establishment just keeps feeding you shit, and you beg for more.
Same is hitting the mainstream in Korea. https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.amp.asp
And frankly seeing the heavy hand YouTube hammers on doctors and anyone really sharing current info in it’s contrary to the “narrative” it gets muted. Leading me to believe seeking out the muted voices night give you the clearer picture.
An echo chamber produces nothing original.
Hmm… the real debate is whether to allow sensationalized lies to create chaos or to try to restrict them at the cost over burying valid criticism. Of course that has almost nothing to do with anti vaxxer propaganda, which is certainly mostly lies , ut only on the knock on affect it might have other more rational discourse.
Institutional lies. Backed by the full faith and credit of we the people.
Look at the data from Israel and Gibraltar, and just use simple common sense. Not these studies that even experts disagree on.
In 1-2 weeks the federal government is gonna drop a bad news bomb on everybody, and rest assured the reality will be worse than they tell you. It’s not looking good.
Lol, did Q drop another hot tip?
It’s simple common sense from where they sit.
Question :
How did that happen?
It is my understanding that the CDC stopped tracking “breakthroughs” back in May of this year. If true, I wonder why?
Right about the same time as the double blind studies were unblinded?
Go figure. More than just a coincidence? Ya think?
The Remdesivir double blind studies were also unblinded… By Fauci.
Advantage Gilead. Remdesivir apparently does more harm than good… More coincidence? Sure…
My toast fell jelly side down this morning. Must have been a conspiracy.
They changed nothing about tracking. They were running a study about breakthrough infections but, since there were so many that turned out to be inconsequential, they pursued the study by limiting the cases IN THE STUDY to one’s where the result was cases that resulted in severe sickness or death.
There was no mystery or conspiracy in this. It was a public announcement.
Hidden in plain sight
Medical Tyranny
Anti lockdown covid protesters Australia
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/australian-anti-lockdown-protesters-clash-police-illegal-melbourne-rally
So what. A group of idiots got together. What does it prove?
<4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FWFph7-6t34M%3Ft%3D15684" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">FDA just had an 8 hr conference call. Vax Kills 5 for every 1 life it saves. It’s over.
Time stamped
youtube.com/watch?v=WFph7-6t34M&t=15684s
Please let this be the thing that knocks the smooth brains from their slumber. I’m tired of dragging their dumbass to the finish line.
There is a reason they want brains in slumber….pay no attention to other news…..hmm, KEEP EVERYONE OBSESSED WITH COVID so they won’t notice.
September 18, 2021 – 10:45 AM EDT,
Clinton lawyer’s indictment reveals ‘bag of tricks’
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/572861-clinton-lawyers-indictment-reveals-bag-of-tricks?amp
Let’s see if they hide the Durham report.
This section of the video is Steve Kirsch.
Here is an alternative perspective on his claims: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/are-the-mrna-vaccines-really-safe-evaluating-claims-by-steven-kirsch-on-danger-of-spike-proteins
The comments make up for the content of this propaganda article…
Not so. The anti vaxxers are pretty flexible when it comes to evidence. They think the Y protein from the vaccination is fatal while the Y protein from the virus is inconsequential. They think that every death or sickness that occurs after vaccination was caused by the vaccination but every death in an unvaccinated person is due to being fat and/or old. They think that the vaccine, despite having been given to millions of people without negative effect, is intolerably dangerous while the disease, despite having killed millions, is a minor inconvenience. They believe that the 99% of doctors, researchers and government agencies are in a conspiracy to lie about covid but believe without question the less than 1% who appear on YouTube.
It always comes down to the same pattern- this article from 2015 summarizes the exact same sort of argument against vaccinating children for things like measles that they use against vaccinating anyone against covid. It doesn’t change. It never was rigorous argument and never will be.
Sorry- forgot the article linkhttps://www.huffpost.com/entry/anti-vaccine-arguments-analyzed-explained_n_6607026
How many people died from drug overdoses? More than COVID
This is not true.
In 2020, 93,000 overdose deaths. Covid over 4 times that.
Some people want to believe in santa, and then tell that same lie to their kids. You see how people want to stay insulated from the predator class.
Wearetheprey.com
Socialists extolling the joy of mandatory right wing Trump Shots… hmm
“health officials overwhelmingly agree” — Dr. Mengela Approved, Kid accepted.
In which months did the “breakthrough” fatalities happen?
How many partially vaxxed were hospitalized or were counted as a fatality?
Hi Citizens Of Humboldt! The comments on this article are awesome, and hilarious. I had to throw in a few responses. Now I am making my own comment. I want Kym Kemp or another local reporter to write an article covering one of the most important reasons WOMEN are not getting a COVID-19 vaccine! The reason is: Tens of thousands of women report having their period early, late, abnormally light, or abnormally heavy after a COVID-19 vaccine. This is not a “conspiracy theory” in any way, shape, or form. It’s been on the mainstream news, the US and UK government are studying it, and it happened to a scientist named Dr. Kate Clancy who’s now doing a research study. According to the scientist, who tweeted about it, in her case “abnormally heavy” meant the heaviest period of her life for ten days, soaking through the heaviest pads continuously, when she was on an IUD that was supposed to prevent her from having a period at all. It also happened to a friend of mine here in Humboldt. In her case, after getting the vaccine, her period stopped happening. And it hasn’t come back yet. I want you to write an article about this issue. And I want to tell you what trap not no fall into. Every single article about this issue – and there are hundreds – whether they’re published by CNN, a small “independent” newspaper from a small town in Idaho, the BBC, or the Times of India – all contain two things. 1. a version of this: “There is no/no known biologic mechanism that could cause a/the covid vaccine or ‘vaccines’ or ‘a vaccine’ to affect a woman’s period” and 2. “Name your expert says this side effect is harmless.” Can you write an article about this issue without those two sentences? By the way if you are curious, the second reason people are afraid to get a covid vaccine or any vaccine for that matter is that in the USA you cannot sue the company that makes a vaccine if you get a reaction, like you could if you had a reaction to any other pharmaceutical. Perhaps if they changed the federal law and removed this stupid rule, people would be more willing to get vaccinated. People believe, correctly, that if a covid vaccine gives them a side effect they won’t be able to get medical care for that side effect and won’t be able to sue. You must really, really, really trust the pharmaceutical industry to take a medication in that situation. This is why so many people are angry in the comments of your articles. There are many people in Humboldt County who are aware of everything I just typed already. Just look at the links to articles from scientific journals they shared in the comments below this one. Unvaccinated people are not MONSTERS. If you quote someone saying that at the top of an article, you might as well be saying it yourself. Unvaccinated people are highly intelligent people, more likely to be women, certain races, certain ages, certain religions, and people with lower incomes. So why not start by addressing the women and their biggest concern about covid vaccines!
Hi Citizens Of Humboldt! Read my previous comment if you haven’t.
I am currently researching the following claims about mRNA based COVID-19 vaccines:
I have found:
Thank you for reading. Feel free to send me any “claims” you want researched, and I will do it in my spare time.