1 Death, 30 New Cases, 2 Hospitalizations Reported Today
Press release from the County of Humboldt:
A Humboldt County resident in their 60s has died from COVID-19. Staff in the Department Operations Center extend their condolences to the friends, loved ones and caregivers of the person who died.
Two new hospitalizations have also been reported, including one resident in their 60s and one over the age of 80.
A total of 7,723 residents have tested positive for COVID-19 after 30 additional cases were reported today. The seven-day average case rate is 36.2, meaning that for every 100,000 county residents, about 36 people have tested positive over the last seven days.
The county has recorded 386 new positive cases since the last weekly data update on Sept. 3. Six residents have died from the virus during that same period. Twelve county residents have been hospitalized over the last week. Their age ranges are as follows:
- 4 people in their 50s
- 4 people in their 60s
- 2 people in their 70s
- 2 people over the age of 80.
While some fully vaccinated individuals do become infected with COVID-19, health officials widely agree that vaccination is the most effective way to prevent severe outcomes.
Local data continues to show that unvaccinated residents are much more likely to be infected with COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated.
The local case rate for unvaccinated people declined from a peak of 82 cases per 100,000 residents last week to 67 residents per 100,000, while the case rate for fully vaccinated individuals has declined for a fourth consecutive week to 11 per 100,000 residents. View a more detailed depiction of the case rate graph.
COVID-19 vaccines are available at multiple Public Health clinics and appointments can be made in advance at MyTurn.ca.gov. For instructions in English or Spanish on how to use My Turn, go to humboldtgov.org/VaccineInfo.
See the schedule of upcoming Public Health clinics below:
Eureka – Saturday, Sept. 11, from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.
Cruz’n Eureka (E St. between First and Second streets)
Moderna/Pfizer/Johnson & JohnsonEureka – Sunday, Sept. 12, from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m.
Zoe Barnum School (216 W. Harris St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & JohnsonEureka – Monday, Sept. 13, from 9 a.m. to 4 p.m.
Public Health Main (529 I St.)
Moderna/Pfizer/Johnson & JohnsonTo check availability of a particular vaccine at local pharmacies, visit vaccines.gov, or text a ZIP code to 438829 to locate a pharmacy offering vaccines nearby. Most pharmacies allow walk-ins.
Pfizer is authorized for those 12 and older, and Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines are authorized for people age 18 and older. Minors must be accompanied by a parent or guardian. Full protection from vaccination is achieved two weeks after receiving the second dose of a two-dose series or two weeks after receiving a single-dose vaccine.
The OptumServe testing site located in McKinleyville on Mondays will move to a temporary location at the McKinleyville Activity Center (1705 Gwin Road) on Sept. 13, due to the election. For information or to schedule an appointment, go to lhi.care/covidtesting or call 888-634-1123.
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Please get vaccinated. The facts speak for themselves.
More than 600,000 Covid cases from April through mid-July were analyzed and linked to vaccination status.
Those who were unvaccinated were about 4.5 times more likely to contract the virus, more than 10 times more likely to be hospitalized with the virus, and 11 times more likely to die from the disease.
The county should provide more ways for people to get vaccinated in secret. There is a lot social pressure against it in certain communities.
bullshit
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said at a press conference on April 29 that the House couldn’t require members to be vaccinated. Video clips of those remarks gained renewed attention online following Biden’s announcement.
“So—so here is the thing. We are—we cannot require someone to be vaccinated. That’s just not what we can do. It is a matter of privacy to know who is or who isn’t,” Pelosi said.
“I can’t go to the Capitol Physician and say, ‘Give me the names of people who aren’t vaccinated.
OutRAGEDed
YET??????.
Wow, 4 month old news.
Righties can be retroactively outraged now. Better late than never !!!!!
Hilarious.
It wasn’t a reason to be upset when no one was being mandated to be vaccinated. Now that many federal workers and contractors are supposedly going to be mandated to have receive a vaccine it appears deeply hypocritical.
The apparent shirking of the rules by the rule makers is a common source of outrage, across the political spectrum
Members of Congress, Federal Judges, Staffers Exempt From Vaccine Mandate
By Joseph Lord
September 10, 2021
Epoch Times
Some animals are more equal than others.
In other words, Biden and his White House lied. Again. The president explicitly promised he “wouldn’t demand” that anyone get the vaccine.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/with-vaccine-mandates-biden-makes-liars-of-himself-and-his-staff
FLASHBACK: Biden said NO vaccine mandates (December, 2020)
channel411news.com/2021/09/10/flashback-biden-said-no-vaccine-mandates-december-2020/
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
That because no one imagined a vaccine being available as delivered by Trump and half America would say ” no thanks”.
The plain fact of the matter is that top public health officials, most notably Dr. Anthony Fauci, have systematically deceived the American people over the past year. This is a matter of verifiable public record. As reported in The New York Times on December 24 of last year, Fauci boasted openly that he had “slowly but deliberately been moving the goal posts” on herd immunity numbers, “partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks.”
Furthermore, Fauci did this “because many Americans seemed hesitant about vaccines,” proving a willingness to mislead the general public specifically to encourage vaccination.
townhall.com/columnists/jasongarshfield/2021/04/27/when-government-lies-are-routine-vaccine-hesitancy-is-justified-n2588600
Dr Fauci DEFENDS right not to get vaccinated after Chris Cuomo demands to know why federal government hasn’t made vaccine passports mandatory
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9599431/Fauci-doesnt-answer-vaccination-passports-NOT-mandated-Federal-government.html
Fauci finally mentions Vaccine risk for ADE…
citizenfreepress.com/column-1/whoa-fauci-finally-mentions-vaccine-risk-for-ade/
The plain fact of the matter is that top public health officials, most notably Dr. Anthony Fauci, have systematically deceived the American people over the past year. This is a matter of verifiable public record. As reported in The New York Times on December 24 of last year, Fauci boasted openly that he had “slowly but deliberately been moving the goal posts” on herd immunity numbers, “partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks.”
Furthermore, Fauci did this “because many Americans seemed hesitant about vaccines,” proving a willingness to mislead the general public specifically to encourage vaccination.
townhall.com/columnists/jasongarshfield/2021/04/27/when-government-lies-are-routine-vaccine-hesitancy-is-justified-n2588600
Dr Fauci DEFENDS right not to get vaccinated after Chris Cuomo demands to know why federal government hasn’t made vaccine passports mandatory
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9599431/Fauci-doesnt-answer-vaccination-passports-NOT-mandated-Federal-government.html
Fauci finally mentions Vaccine risk for ADE…
citizenfreepress.com/column-1/whoa-fauci-finally-mentions-vaccine-risk-for-ade/
So why all the lies??
It’s a pathological issue.
Amen.
The Facts
The question of vaccine mandates was posed to Biden back in 2020, at an event in Wilmington, Delaware, on December 4.
According to a transcript from Rev and video from a stream of the event from December 4 reviewed by Newsweek, he was asked the following after his speech: “Do you think the COVID vaccine should be mandatory?”
He rejected the notion and spoke of wanting to “encourage people to do the right thing,” as opposed to mandates.
“No, I don’t think it should be mandatory. I wouldn’t demand it to be mandatory,” he replied.
“But I would do everything in my power—just like I don’t think masks have to be made mandatory nationwide—I’ll do everything in my power as President of United States to encourage people to do the right thing and, when they do it, demonstrate that it matters.”
On Thursday, September 9, Biden issued executive actions that demand all federal workers and contractors must be vaccinated, with a limited set of exceptions.
Biden also announced that the Department of Labor is developing an “emergency rule” requiring private employers with 100 workers or more to “ensure their workforces are fully vaccinated or show a negative test at least once a week.”
Vaccination requirements for hospitals and healthcare facilities were also expanded.
“Already, I’ve announced, we’ll be requiring vaccinations that all nursing home workers who treat patients on Medicare and Medicaid, because I have that federal authority,” Biden said.
“Tonight, I’m using that same authority to expand that to cover those who work in hospitals, home healthcare facilities, or other medical facilities—a total of 17 million healthcare workers.”
The rules are to impact some 100 million Americans in total, the Associated Press reported.
Can’t believe a word this man says.
Half the CDC and FDA refuses to take them.
It is safe to immediately discount anything connected to epoch times.
Please stick to one name per article. I delete all subsequent ones when I notice them. https://kymkemp.com/commenting-rules/
No vax.
I noticed these facts were pumped all over main stream media today. Funny how it is repeated here by you!
Fauci: No ‘Firm Answer’ on Why Americans Who Recovered From COVID-19 Should Get Vaccinated
Epoch Timed
By Zachary Stieber
September 11, 2021
Biden stopped short of mandating the vaccine for illegal immigrants attempting to cross America’s border, even though about 30% of immigrants held at federal detention facilities are refusing to be vaccinated — and they have the option to refuse.
Rebuttal?
It doesn’t make sense on any level to exempt the most likely carriers of the mutations. Yet those who are jab defenders just ignore it.
I suspect Biden doesn’t want them counted in the jab totals, as it shows his failure on immigration, and Harris’s as well.
Hard to justify bringing in a small unvaxxed city every month while claiming over population, drought, lack of housing, lack of energy resources, etc.
Especially while threatening the country’s citizens.
Right again Hot Coffee
I thought you guys were AGAINST mandated vaccination. Oh I see , you are for SELECTIVE mandates.
Gotcha…
How about closing the border to illegal immigration? Legal immigrants have long (always?) been required to be vaccinated against certain diseases. They are certainly free to stay home and comply with the laws of their homelands.
True, true. 👍
Used to be: No vaccines=no green card.
(Not that I agree 100%)
But who needs a green card these days?
Doesn’t matter if a business is privately owned or has a federal contract, they have ZERO AUTHORITY to force proof of jab.
Warren vs DC and 2 dozen other US Supreme Court rulings state quite clearly, that the US govt. has ZERO liability for failure to protect the individual from physical harm.
By default the govt. has ZERO authority to force protection on the individual under the premise of physical protection via mask or jab mandates.
Hence any mandate is inherently UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
Now was looking for one single US Supreme Court ruling that states a company has more authority than the US govt., to enforce an UNCONSTITUTIONAL RULE……ECHOES OF SILENCE.
Now watch some idiot will claim Jacobson vs Massachusetts applies, it doesn’t, that was the govt. the ruling was being applied to and unfortunately, Jacobson vs Massachusetts should have been overturned, and would be overturned today, because the govt refused to all the plaintiff to present any evidence…….
Now on to the next logic bombs…
Do I as an employee or customer, sign a contract as an indentured slave by walking into a place of business yes or no? Why no I do not, so theres anther problem for the vaxnazees as slave masters do have control over their slaves medical decisions, and we aren’t their slaves……
Do I as an employee or customer, sign over my power of attorney on my personal medical decisions by choosing to walk into a place of business, yes or no? Why no, I do not,
Then of course does the private property rights of a vaxnazee supersede the Nuremberg Codes, why no they do not.
Dont forget the legal premise of UNDER DURESS meaning that the company coerces you by threat of job loss or other economic penalizations or discrimination, said consent form you signed being designated a contract, will be null and void.
This opens the company up for liability lawsuit for damages inflicted by the jab.
But hey, the private property owner is willing to go to the court and prove under right of discovery the actual facts of how the jab doesn’t protect from the infection either…..
But the smart money on making a business eat crow is to challenge them to provide evidence of the thing they fear, covid. This is done by providing an isolated, sterilized DNA string of the virus, which even the CDC cannot provide
Yeah, such is the discriminatory act of refusing service for jab proof….no different than whites only signs, then again the DNC is the party of racist bigotry, hate and intolerance.
I love satire as much as the next guy, but when it is in written form it can be hard to pick up on that subtlety. Man, you gotta break character sometimes or people might think you’re actually serious!
Think about the potential of being injured by a vaccine, and then feeling alone and without a voice because you trusted someone who looks at you as a consumer and completely replaceable.
We all are.
The world will not stop because of people getting sick or dying, in fact , our lifespan is finite.
It’s a personal, individual, family , community matter.
Not when your choice impinges the choice of others. It then become a negotiation. It is not all about you. It’s not all about your family. It is about the community you insist you have a right to access as if you had cared what happens to them. Not much. And there are thousands and thousands more of those injured by infected than the vaccine injured. No amount of saying there are more but it’s a big conspiracy to hide them is believable.
Think about the person who refuses to do the things that keep them from being infected and gets sick when they didn’t have to, then demands treatment and forces out another who did what was needed to keep from getting sick yet had an accident, needs treatment and can’t get it because the unvaccinated said it was a personal choice. Not really so personal at all.
Why do you think infringement is a one way street?
I’m as much to blame as the 300 pound elephant In the room. If you honestly believe a virus is qualified to make people forfeit their freedoms, you are being Unamerican.
Soon enough, we will come for all the overweight people in the name of climate change, public health, so be very careful how this pendulum always swings back into the face of those who passively support tyrants.
Thanks Percy, you’ve got the upvotes!
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Life is not fair. Lots and lots of obese people utilizing disproportionate amounts of health care and tax payer resources. It’s a real epidemic in our country and all the people who manage their weight and their health responsibly pay the price. I can’t go anywhere without seeing grossly obese folks with a multitude of orthopedic , respiratory and other problems. Look at the CDC data about co-morbilities. Many of them are secondary to obesity. It’s not my job to protect these people. you may not infringe on peoples personal liberty to save your sorry ass. Especially when there is a > 99.5% chance that they won’t die from covid.
Our work group is 7 people . Age 32-59. We decided to not vaccinate as we are all at our appropriate weight and all health conscious. (exercise and healthy diet ) A double vaccinated girlfriend came to visit / stay and infected our group. Pretty ironic isn’t it. We have had 5 of the 7 now processed through the covid. 2 left to go. no big deal for anyone of them . It’s nice that we made our own antibodies the way it should happen. The vaccinated person was by far the sickest. The vaccine shaming needs to stop. Start shaming the folks who don’t respect their bodies and take responsibility for their own health.
While I’m sure your public plea for more fat-shaming will garner much sympathy…
If you are using “co-morbidity” interchangeably with “risk factor,” then being unvaccinated it the biggest co-morbidity of all for COVID. Along with basically every other disease for which a vaccine is available.
I guess if someone loses their job for refusal to get vaccinated, perhaps their employer can repeat your mantra: “life is not fair.”
Noone is fat shaming. It’s a fact of life that we are evolved to store energy and conserve energy. Why do you think amazon incentives its employees to quit after 3 years? Humans are evolved to conserve energy thus becoming complacent. But if you are over weight it’s a fact that you are more “likely” key word here to be a burden in one way or another more disproportionately.
Nobody is fat shaming?
The dude ranted on for several sentences about he “can’t go anywhere without seeing grossly obese folks” and concluded with “Start shaming the folks who don’t respect their bodies and take responsibility for their own health.”
But yeah, nobody is fat shaming. He literally and specifically called for more fat shaming!
https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/articles/2020-02-27/us-obesity-rate-passes-40-percent
Complain about your vehicles performance, and the mechanic says all your tires are nearly flat.
Is he flat shaming, or do you need to change the way you.operate your vehicle?
This is the crisis we have created through our education and culture, and acceptance of POOR BEHAVIOR in our society.
“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society”.
Jiddu Krishnamurti
The fat acceptance and outright glorification got us here. No more FACT SHAMING!
Overweight/obesity (Read: persistent inflammatory state) is driving this pandemic and clogging up our health care system. Talk about hogging beds.
We should throw away the embarrassing clown-size double wide chairs, and the special scooters that apparently are no longer for ACTUAL disabled people, but for lazy monsters who cannot maneuver themselves under their own power because they can’t say no to ho ho’s.
And children need to be removed from the care of any parent that attempts to doom them to a life of sickness and mobility issues by stuffing them with excess calories and allowing an absence of physical activity. Raising up a 100 pound 5 year old should be a felony.
We have super-sized everything, including our bodies, and we have supersized health problems to match.
Covid is just one more opportunistic disease going for the slow moving XXL targets.
Install Bmi widget here {}
I agree with you on many things, but…..
Government can’t properly care for the children they already remove.
Not going to argue that the foster care system is broken, along with many other institutions crucial to a healthy and functioning community. Pretty sad.
Cottling debaucherous “victims” is what liberals do… While acting like Nazi’s if you don’t go along with their program. Vaxxers should all wear a red sleeve around their jab spot to show their superiority & keep us separated. Maybe they’ll let us nonjabbers enter in the rear of restaurants? Or maybe they’ll send us to non-vaccination camps.
co – morbities are other illnesses / diagnoses you have unrelated to a primary diagnosis of “covid” infection. The vast majority of folks actually dying from the virus have significant or multiple co-morbities. The CDC site does a good job of breaking that down, Examples of co-morbidities are things like diabetes, hypertension, COPD. These 3 diagnosis are all well established sequela of obesity. A risk factor is something like “being over the age of 70”. Not necessarily the same thing.
Maybe like all apples are fruits but not all fruits are apples.
Vaxers cringe when we bring up this argument. And to he fair there are overweight in both political ideologies. Begging people to get vaxed is ridiculous vmg. I’m not begging others to get unvaxed. Or fast..
The vaxed present no risk to your health, but the reverse cannot be said.
The vaxed pose a risk to the health of the unvaxed when they try to force the unvaxed to accept a jab. If you do not know the long term effects of something, and think it is okay to insist that others subject themselves to it, then you know not what you ask.
Au contraire ! Asymptomatic viral spread is everywhere thanks to super-spreader vaxxers! As highlighted by the antidotal story above.
Right now the dominant strains are absolutely vaccine resistant, and while a vaccinated individual dodges death for the most part up until now , it is causing enhanced disease. And infecting (and potentially killing) their unvaxxed neighbors. Exactly as the kooky professors predicted!
I guess that’s why kids in the least vaccinated states are 3.5 times more likely to be hospitalized by covid. Nice theory you got there
It’s sensationalist journalism. The hospitalization rate for CHILDREN prior to the Delta surge (which they contribute these hospitalizations to) was near zero!! SO it takes one admission to double that rate, and so forth.
Louisiana is one of the states on top of that list, where surprise! 20.1% of youth ages 10 to 17 have full blown obesity, not just overweight.
So a highly contagious variant unaffected by any vax efforts, infects and affects fat kids in the deep south.
Wow . Doesn’t take a lot of genius to see what is actually going on.
So, you did understand.
That’s progress.
It only makes sense. The vaccine suppresses symptoms.
Untrue. Vaxxed can spread the disease.
*Can but are far less likely to.
Proof?
Show me long term vetted reports/stats on Wuhan flu transmission rates.
Please.
So mask up and distance, or you become a threat to both the vaxxed and the unvaxxed, and that could be a greater threat, to the vaxxed and unvaxxed, than simply being unvaxxed is, to the rest of us, whether we are vaxxed or not.
Vax mandates are ill-conceived if they are thought up and enforced to prevent spread, that is futility.
Vax mandates, if exercised, should clearly be, only for the health of the individual receiver.
If the promise of Vax mandates is to eliminate spread, then just like every other Vax promise, it will be broken.
If preventing spread is the goal, then masking (N95 or better), and distancing, (Don’t crowd me), should be mandated as well, and, like vaccination, it can never be reversed.
Now if I could just find some quality Vaccine… I’d do it
Should that be so damn hard to find?
All you vax pushers should have no problem answering that question.
🤔Unless… 🤔Unless…
🧐The truth would actually discourage vaccination, because that shit is ssooo… ollllld…
Could one of you Vax Masters please just answer the expiration date question, or do you all have something to hide?
I need to get my damn vax, don’t you remember, what you’ve been flapping, and yapping, and yammering, on, and on, and on, incessantly about for what seems like an eternity?
Now, all I ask of all of you is one simple little question, in order to grant all your self centered wishes for me to get hamsterized, and none of you will make even the teeniest little effort to provide the truth.
I think you know what it is…
And I think you all know the answer and that your actually concealing the truth.
I don’t think any one of all you
Vax pushers should make any additional encouragement of others to be vaxxed, until you can answer the manufacturer date, and expiration date, related questions.
With all due respect,
Thank you very much.
Lol they were probably stale, hard, and old upon arrival the Pfizer is especially unstable and requires the sub sub freezing temperatures so the clock starts ticking as soon as they’re in the delivery van and its shelf life was already extended it was quite short after thawing like 6 days and then back in the spring they extended it to 30 days because obviously they were throwing doses out so they’re like oh actually it’s good for a month so who knows I’d say they’re all old and funky don’t do it and it has been an eternity what a let down
Run on sentence because voice text.
That is categorically untrue.
Satire is hard to parse. You need to break character more, so people don’t actually think your serious. The trouble is, if they actually believe you, it puts them in danger, again.
And the vaxxed need to mask and distance and take precautions just the same.
Yeah! Keep regurgitating percentages and numbers. Tell me how much those mean when its someone YOU love gasping for air, their life ruined financially, and their health impacted for the rest of their life.
Then you need to recognize who brought the virus from Fort detrick, to wuhan, and engineered a bio weapon. Your anger and pain are just, you just are misplacing the responsibility.
This was meant to create division, and the louder we are about holding FauXi responsible, the more we can all unite against a common enemy.
The bio fascist state.
You have some facts to back those claims or was Alex Jones whispering in your ear again?
Again, you are the one referencing A Jones. Maybe he’s not in PvG’s ear, but living between yours?
Like whispering Safe and Effective into our ears 24/7, with Zero Accountability.
The accountability is squarely on the people and the agencies who profit off of manufacturing bio weapons that are released and spread through a series of actions that can be defended with plausible deniability.
I understand that the easiest knee jerk reaction is to blame critical thinking healthy and skeptical people.
Please remember eugenics was a popular belief system publicly accepted not so long ago.
Forced sterilization, supported https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/07/469478098/the-supreme-court-ruling-that-led-to-70-000-forced-sterilizations
🕯🌳Its never been proven to be a uncontrollably biological weapon so why do you keep on pushing this bullshit?🖖🖖
Because C O N S P I R A C Y !!!!!!!
Someone who didn’t look into it….🙄
There is strong evidence for a lab origin. If true, in my eyes that would make it a biological weapon no matter whether the release was accidental or intentional.
https://theintercept.com/2021/09/09/covid-origins-gain-of-function-research/
It’s proving that rite now
Look into it Willie.
Simple really. Leave the “fact-checkers” out of it and stick to old research papers. (I’ve since deleted many of my links)
Baric, U of NC.
Daszac.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4104828
Dot-connecting. Do it yourself if you don’t trust alternative/independent media.
If it looks like a duck, and it walks like a duck… It’s probably not a pangolin, Willie Bray.
Fauci said it wasn’t a duck, Willie Bray, maybe because he was footing the bill? Think about that, Willie.
👍
Ft. Detrick. Military Games.
Failed Military jab-experiment?
EVALI
A well known and loved Ferndale community member just lost his life to covid. On the other hand my friend almost lost his life to the J&J vax.
Flown to Stanford Medical? I too have a friend who had to undergo emergency heart repair.
Hard times. Condolences Ron.
Succinctly stated. We are all between a rock and a hard place with Covid19 and the jabs. I seek the jab now myself, as does my wife. Covid19 has struck so repeatedly in my family, that it has missed very few of us, my wife and I, have so far, been spared. It’s hitting a couple of them the hardest as we speak. Fortunately there has been no deaths, so far.
Smoker of Cigarettes?
Pneumonia?
The flu?
Gaslighting?
Most smokers of cigarettes I know of got started back when it was recommended by the TV doctors. Much like the jab doctors today.
After 50 years or so of smoking, it hardly seemed worth quitting.
Same as the Mc Donald’s commercials ….people were programmed.
🤔🧐Ron, it’s me, Guest,
Your addressing the imposter, but I think you might be assuming it’s me. What makes you think my family isn’t very ill at this very moment? More assumptions?
That would be a mistake.
I truly hope no one you love, is, or has ever, or will ever be, gasping for air.
What I try to counter, is only the regurgitation of percentages and numbers of misleading information, that isn’t true, and is intentionally deceptive, in nature.
While I know that I goof up the numbers and my equations are not always properly formed, my intent is not to deceive.
I realize that the jab is effective at preventing, to some degree, serious outcomes and I wholeheartedly support people’s choice to embrace it.
But it isn’t appropriate for everyone, and it is not without risk.
Therefore I also wholeheartedly support people’s right to refuse.
My condolences to you, and any of your loved ones, that may be suffering, for any reason, not just this one.
If you haven’t figured it out already, the antivaxers who constantly post here give absolutely zero fucks about who has died.
To top off their callous attitude they victim blame overweight dead people in every thread. It’s really quite amazing to see the disrespect and disregard of people’s dead loved ones.
They are also ignoring the glaring reality of the graph included with this article.
Strawman argument. By the same logic I could say you give absolutely zero fucks about civil rights.
😡 🦜
Well said Guest. Your comments also have the upvotes!
Too bad viruses are not swayed by anti vaxxers voting for other anti vaxxer comments. That would be a sure thing if it worked.
Good thing the virus only kill’s old people and fat people
Whoever downvoted that comment the last one was downvoted 6 times.
How does one determine when one “didn’t have to ” get sick?
Like in this case, I know you would say if you didn’t get vaccinated you “didn’t have to” get sick. But what about people who did get vaccinated? Is there some amount of socialization that puts one over the limit? Can you lay out what a person would need to do to, in your opinion, only be able to get sick when they did have to?
Perhaps one would apply similar reason as a court may use to evaluate civil liability: “reasonable precaution.” People or businesses are not liable for every possible harm that may befall a peer or patron. If a building collapses due to earthquake, but the latest engineering and building standards were utilized, the contractor and engineer could not be held liable. But if they used an inferior material and had good reason to believe that material might increase the risk of harm, then there may be a liability.
Let’s use reductio ad absurdum to distill this line of reasoning and abstract it from current discourse.
Imagine a widget disease with a known 100% fatality rate, a delayed onset of 5 years, and a high degree of transmissibility. Now imagine a drug with 0% efficacy at preventing infection but 100% reduction of transmission (ad absurdum, remember).
Where does responsibility, and for that matter liability, lie? Surely we have a moral responsibility to take the widget drug. But, does an employer have liability to protect their staff from one another, and their customers from their staff? Does employing antiwidgeter staff or hosting antiwidgeter customers constitute reasonable precaution? Does any government at any level have a responsibility and authority to use coercive measures to increase widget drug uptake?
Kant or Mills?
The problem with the reductio ab absurdum is that it removes all of the nuance that is the essential point of protecting personal choice around health care. If there were some guarantee that any given intervention were free of harm then this sort of simple argument would be relevant.
But that isn’t the case. We know that these inoculations carry some risk to otherwise healthy people. We don’t know exactly how much risk yet, but when public health insists that there is no way any impact could exist beyond 2 months and we see plenty of effort expended to deny the evidence before our eyes that people are experiencing adverse events at a rate much higher than acknowledged, how can anyone be surprised that some people become distrustful?
Insisting a therapeutic is reasonable, and therefore should be mandatory, is exactly the slippery slope that is most concerning to me personally. There are endless examples of medical consensus being wrong throughout history, it is a common fallacy to assume that “this time” we have it really right
Interesting you should mention nuance. I’m not seeing a lot of that in the declarative statements about natural rights or the legitimacy of communal power over individual choice. Framing questions in the extreme helps to determine if there is any room for negotiation. In this case, “does the community ever have the authority/duty/right to coerce someone into accepting a medical intervention.”
I’ll modify the scenario to iron it out and add nuance:
The widget drug has a 10% chance of killing you on the spot and it’s only 80% effective at preventing transmission. The R-naught is such that 80% won’t provide herd immunity unless 99% of people take the widget (for nuance). Voluntary measures get us to 85% but then stall. The community decides they face a choice to mandate the widget or everyone will eventually contract the disease and die off within a decade or two.
There is a stupid joke that gets at this concept:
●”Would you have sex with that person for $1.”
○”What? Of course not.”
●”How about a million dollars.”
○”Well, I mean… yeah.”
●”Cool, I’ll give you 50 bucks to have sex with me.”
○”Do I look like a whore to you?”
●”We already established what your are; we’re just haggling over price.”
Maybe that is because our natural rights are not nuanced. They are absolute and are protected by the constitution. You can choose to give up yours, but you can’t choose to give up mine.
Natural rights being “absolute” holds water if you go for that sort of thing. “Protected by the Constitution” gets a bit shakier, however.
Notice the knots you have to twist yourself into to try to make your argument sound reasonable.
As established, I’m coming from a place where we have certain inherent rights. Government does not grant them, rather governments are judged based on their ability to protect them. I understand that you do not come from that place philosophically, but if you recall the philosophical base I’m coming from you’ll see why there isn’t any “nuance” in discussions of “natural rights “.
Of course there are people who’s position against accepting these injections is based in contrarian attitudes, refusal to experience inconvenience, or a psychological rejection of pressure coming from untrusted sources. The same dynamic exists in acceptors of the injections. Some just go along with whatever, some wouldn’t tolerate any inconvenience that arose from being unvaccinated, and some feel a political call to get and advertise vaccination.
ad absurdum is not knot twisting. It just helps to separate the true believer extremists from the intellectual opportunists. As I’ve said before, I appreciate your consistency. The ends never justify the means, and Mr. Kant needs no editor.
Correct That Guy in Arcata.
99% of the population can’t take it because children under 12 can’t take it, so that 99% to reach herd immunity that commenter mentioned can’t be achieved, until children can take it.
How do you get to the 99% herd immunity since children can’t take it?
I can appreciate your hypothetical here. Thanks for sharing that. I do think there are situations where the sacrifice of the few for the good of the many MAY come into play. I just don’t think this virus in anywhere close to that threshold . The avg person has a 99.7 % chance of survival. And that’s counting all the obese folks, smokers, alcoholics, pop drinkers , couch potatoes, frail and elderly. 1/2 of 1% of the population potentially dying in my humble opinion does not warrant compulsory physical intrusion and near collapse of the economy. I know it sounds harsh but my feeling is …..you should have taken better care of yourself. And yes I know people who have succumbed (predictively) to covid and I am not an anti-Vaxer. This has just gone too far in terms of infringing on healthy people’s bodily autonomy.
That is clarifying. People get so up in arms about what they think there rights are like there is no room for negotiation or compromise. I think it’s fine to say this policy goes too far and is unwarranted. Others will say it does not go far enough.
If someone says, “unvaccinated people are a threat to my health and they have no right to be.” The discussion ends.
If someone says, “your safely is not my responsibility under any circumstance.” The discussion ends.
But if someone says, there is a tradeoff between rights and responsibilities, and I believe my rights outweigh any community responsibility in this situation… well that is a discussion.
I think we have common ground here. I’m not saying I am unwilling to except any responsibility for helping other people try to stay healthy . I have spent my 30 yr career in health care helping people who make good and bad choices alike. For instance, I will wear a mask when I go out in public if it helps to make other people feel better or keep a business open and surviving. But asking me to allow someone to put a foreign substance in my body when i am in good health and have lived a lifetime of health responsibility is not reasonable. I find it quite odd that people who have not been responsible for their own health expect others to compromise themselves for their cause.
(considering the actual morbidity statistics relating to this virus) There are countless drugs previously approved by the FDA that have been recalled down the road for adverse events. Almost all of these events or complied data do not present themselves for years.
That’s true regarding the adverse effects presenting later down the road. I would argue that things like aspirin (with a death rate of 21/million users) are far more likely to cause delayed onset problems than any injection. The body is remarkably effective at removing foreign substances that it is exposed to intermittently, but drugs taken daily or just regularly for years are another matter.
This is not to dismiss your point. All drugs have risks.
Ignore this mistake- no deleting possible
Hopefully by the end of today there will be deleting possible.
Aspirin has been used for at least a hundred years, their effects are known, theses injections have only been used for 9 months.
How do you know the long term effects of the injections?
What part of the health care system do you work in?
My understanding is that most have vaccine requirements already in place for a number of diseases.
So…..
“Sir, I have gotten myself so deeply in debt to the grim reaper, due to the sorry hand I was dealt, and by the way I have played my cards for so long, that I am no match for the enemy. Surely it’s past time for you to take this injection, to risk your good health, that you were so fortunate to have been given, that you have also steadfastly maintained, in order that my unfortunate and ill maintained existence be prolonged?”
“Sir, I have not been so fortunate, nor so diligent with my health as yourself, the seven deadly sins are my mantra, and you, Good Sir, have been so pious, it isn’t fair. Surely you would not object to switching places, or joining me in my ill health, in order that by your sacrifice, you prolong my days, or at least do not diminish my life expectancy, by your greater length of continued existence…”
“I am so very deeply in debt, that I’m in over my head! You owe nothing, you say? You live within your means? Perfect.
The Golden Balls of health equity! Just the cosigner I am seeking! It’s clearly past time that you pay! Just sign on the dotted line! Sign your life away, just like me, so that I live!”
“It’s time for you to have a taste of my medicine, it doesn’t work well enough for me to just take it and not you, so, therefore, you must, regardless of risk!”
“There are more of us, than there are, of you!
We can make you do it!”
Nice post Guest. Somebody that didn’t live their life in a healthful way but wants to make others sacrifice their good health to save them, is a cheat.
But you see, your argument holds, and only holds, only if the vaccine is a TRUE REMEDY, which it is absolutely, categorically, NOT!
So goes the entire basis for your entire argument.
If it’s only more or less of a fluctuating remedy, and it cannot be defined or established with any kind of certainty into the future, it holds very little water.
It should be roundly, and soundly,
dismissed.
If you ever contract someone to build a home, or major renovation, I’d like to think that you’d be more careful about the liability insurance that contractor has to cover his ass if he makes a mistake that could possibly affect the value of your home.
Let me guess, you rent?
No, I don’t rent and I’m not actually sure what you’re getting at.
The reason why all companies must have liability insurance for their products and services.
Good point Percy. If the injections are good and safe, why aren’t the companies that make them fully liable if something goes wrong?
The comparison arguments crack me up every time.
At least clouds is having a discussion, you just always come in all snarky… Maybe try having a discussion.
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They are missing something on their graph…https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data/covid-full-data
Thank you guest.
Don’t you think it’s odd that with all the money the Government spent, the hospitals are still not prepared for a crisis, yet you blame the unjabbed. Just had a 7 earthquake in Mexico, are we ready for an earthquake? How will you blame the unjabbbed for that??
Shouldn’t we have a small ship or 2 off shore for emergencies, such as pandemics and natural disasters, unstaffed just maintained for exactly such responses, it must be cheaper than all the get jabbed give a ways and free everything for all non citizens.
The motto is, never prepare ahead of time, always fight each other for the resources after the fact.
As long as I’m ranting, Ca. politicians control hunting, fishing, and water for growing food. While I’m sure the elite have plenty stored, I’d like to know what is stored for us commoners in case of a food crop emergency, anybody know the answer?
My guess is zilch.
Why do they care so much about jabs and so little about every other calamity that could kill people?
Watch out for yourselves and each other, no one elected will.
I gotta wonder who down votes being prepared…jeez!
Nope. The fools spent time, effort and money creating vaccines to prevent the problems without a single thought that there would be a small but determined group people devoted to sabotaging it.
No one believes 80 million aren’t injected. It’s twice that. Half the country took the shot at most. Injection centers have been closing down for months. No one believes the “80 million” number. And who is this unidentified “80 million.”
What are you going to do about the all the black people that are part of that “80 million.” Are you going to to start making black people not eat inside or ride on the plane? Do you like apartheid break up of the country? How will you eventually force everyone in the country to get the liquid injected into them with out camps and injection teams?
What is causing the most injected countries to have the biggest outbreaks of covid? What is causing massive failure of the injection in middle of summer? What caused 85% of new covid cases in Israel to be of the injected when they have highest rates of inoculated? What is causing 5 times more illness now than this time last year, when we didn’t have a massive covid injection rollout and 100s mil. inoculated?
Un con sti tu tion al.
But what is meant by “community matter.”
That guy in Arcata (pardon my paraphrase Guy) makes a coherent argument that the community, and the state, should have no authority to mandate an individual behavior for common good.
But “should not” is different from “does not.”
“Does not” is a matter of negotiation. You cite some legal precedents, historical documents, and the Supreme Court. History is a guide, but I can’t speak to what this particular Supreme Court may uphold or may strike down. My guess is they will find some way to split the difference.
Putting “should” aside, this is my personal guess for what the current SCOTUS would allow:
1) employer mandates for staff/customers: yes- very likely
2) Federal mandates on employers to mandate staff: no
3) Federal mandate on federal employees: yes
4) Federal mandate on federal contractor employees: maybe/leans no
The “testing opt out” definitely increases the chance that even #2 is upheld. The court could decide that this is no more than a minor inconvenience for staff. Or they could decide that it is a major burden for employers to manage, and thereby strongly nudging them into going full mandate. My guess is that part gets stricken.
But I also don’t expect it to stop there. If the court strikes it down it might lead to other creative “backdoor mandates.” Biden is trying to use occupational safety laws (OSHA) in the case of employees. But, if that doesn’t work I wouldn’t be surprised by efforts to use the FAA/FTA to try to mandate it for commercial airline passengers and even bus riders. Of course, that might happen regardless.
BOHICA. “Backdoor mandate” is exactly the name for what The Sniffer in Chief is trying to force.
Lol, I agree though I’m not sure what the sniffer reference is from.
Here is a relatively gentle take on the sniffing. A search for “Biden sniffing children” turns up many, many results. Weird and creepy behavior.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/04/joe-biden-hair-smelling-2020-race-lucy-flores-trevor-noah-daily-show/amp
Oh yeah that. I guess I blocked it out. Definitely a creep and weirdo.
I think that reference may come from that video of sleepy Joe sniffing that young blonde girls hair that was circulated on the news. ? But I’m not sure
Kinda like the Trump grabbing pussy and wanting to “date” his daughter thing.
Does the state have the right to fuck you up?
Is that what we are discussing?
As a matter of fact.
It sure the fuck is.
Damn right its personal! I take it personally when selfish cultists threaten the lives of my family by spreading a deadly virus. But those like you have had well over a year to try to understand that now, and you still refuse to see.
We’re done with you.
You fancy yourself a patriot?
“Selfish Cultists”
That’s no way to talk of Fauci and his ilk! I am offended.
Fauciphiles Unite! Viva la virus!
Flip-Flop-Forever!
The Feverish Fauci Flag Salute:
“I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag,
of the United States of America,
One Inoculation, Under God, but,
Not Liberty and Justice, For All.”
Refrain.
Selfish cultists.
Roger that Ron.
https://inequality.org/great-divide/updates-billionaire-pandemic/
Know your enemy!
“Done” as in….?
How is it you haven’t read even the shallowest low hanging science that the vaccinations DONT STOP SPREAD. YOUR AS INFECTIOUS TO OTHERS AS UNVACCINATED.
Quite pointing fingers and educate yourself. Your stoking dangerous, Nazi like social division between your brothers and sisters
https://kymkemp.com/2021/09/09/115-new-cases-2-hospitalizations-reported-today/#comment-1420826
Lol, exactly.
Apparently. the written form on the Georgia Guidestones is to limit the earth’s population to 500,000.
It was 500,000,000. And that’s nice dear.
The written form of Game of Thrones says dragons fly and the dead live in the north.
So….
Move to Georgia!
This is going to fail in court. But will be too late for some people.
Funny how members of Congress and their staff are exempt from Biden’s vaccine mandate…..
Why get a vaccine that doesn’t keep you from getting or spreading the rona in the first place……?
It doesn’t stop you from spreading it, but it dramatically lowers the likelihood. No drug works 100%
Crack does
Please….include the citation for this idea you have that it ‘dramatically reduces the likelihood’ because the CDCs own documents I e seen show vaxxed and unvaxxed who are infected have the same infectious cT counts.
I’d be curious to know how many congress members are not vaccinated. All living presidents and all 50 governor are vaccinated. Though some got their shots initially in secret lol
Is there any reliable way to verify that besides an AP story?
My guess is very few.
They’ve been promised a ride on the arc…..
So all those “No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service” signs were total B.S., and I can march in to any store naked, shoeless, unmasked, & unvaccinated, and demand service?
Uh, no.
BTW, I don’t see hospitals filling up with people having side effects from the vaccine. Looks like they’re filling up with unvaccinated Covid patients. Anyone who tells you that the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease doesn’t give a rat’s ass if you live or die.
Note: The politicians & pundits who are telling you NOT to get the vaccine? They’re all vaccinated.
The graph above in this article says it all.
All the bullshit antivaxer math, excuses, alternative treatments, antivaxsplaining, conspiracy stories, was it From or Of, stupid memes, anecdotal made up stories, multiple name commenters trying to dominate ( still don’t understand why), denial and refusal are trying to pretend the graph doesn’t exist.
It’ hilarious.
And what exactly is the point of the no shirt no shoes things?? It’s pretty ridiculous actually.
Fox News has one if those “soft vaccine mandates.” You don’t have to get it, but we’ll make life harder if you don’t.
75% of the adult American population has had at least one shot of the vaccine.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/571097-white-house-75-percent-of-adults-vaccinated-with-at-least-one-covid-19-dose%3famp
Yeah, I know a few people that got only the first shot, and not the second, being that the second one can be a doozy, which is a turn off to a number of individuals.
Please try to change their minds about the second shot. I was dreading it to but nothing. All it was is a little bit Tinder at the injection sight
Ya I was dreading getting the cov to but nothing. All it was is a little cough
It was the first shot that laid my husband low. The second one, he had no problems at all. Yeah, that’s right, even after the first one kicking his ass for three days, he went right back and got the second shot.
idiot
Care to explain?
My wife called in sick to work after the second shot, sore arm on the first.
I believe it. It hit mine hard. I was just pointing out that it isn’t always the second shot. My husband’s reaction was on the first one. I didn’t have any effects on either shot except for the sore arm. He was fine with the 2nd shot. It’s a crap shoot.
Other folks made sure they were super hydrated before and after the shot, they’ve said it helped a lot.
….and to think that after 18 months of feeling great, that I’m going to get a shot that is going to make myself feel like crap?
Good luck with that thought.
That is going to get you edited.
Thanks for that tip Angela.
I really appreciate that. That might help me and my wife.🙂
Thats right I never got one shot and took covid on and got sick and went right back out and got sick again.
63% of adults fully vaccinated. Such a small minority left to do such damage.
Is 37% a small minority? I guess maybe it is in NewsSpeak. In the real world it represents more than 1 of every 3 people.
Not accurate you have to take under 12 out of the equation.
I’m guessing less than 50% are fully jabbed-up.
Can we really know?
The transparency is so there.
The “vaccine” hard push comes from the fact that people are waking up to the truth that Ivermectin is a treatment…..rendering Billions of dollars worth of the “vaccine” worthless……it’s a greed stampede
Ivermectin side effects
tiredness.
loss of energy.
stomach pain.
loss of appetite.
nausea.
vomiting.
diarrhea.
dizziness
And these are just the milder side effects. So go ahead roll the dice, what’s the worst that can happen?
I took three doses this week. Feel good man!
Killed the worms! 😉
Ivermectin has many side effects, including low sperm count and damaged sperm.
But yeah, that scary-ass vaccine …🤪🤪
Is anyone being coerced into submitting to treatment with ivermectin?
I am vaccinated, but I would also like to have some Ivermectin on hand in case I still catch it. I have read all the studies and believe it is currently the best choice if taken quickly after being infected. It isn’t just unvaccinated people interested in Ivermectin. Anybody know a doctor who will prescribe it and a pharmacy that will fill it?
2 weeks ago i got an online prescription for IVM (through “push health” link provided by FLCC), prescription filled next day by pharmacy.
yesterday, My wife got the same prescription and the same pharmacy told her that they can’t find IVM anywhere.
https://www.pushhealth.com/
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mask-plus-protocol/
How interesting. The protocol you linked recommends vaccination.
Oh no!! Thanks for making big Pharma Merck richer.
You can buy it from India for human consumption, no prescription needed.India provides most of the world generic drugs. Not from Merck.
It helps if you tell the facts, but of course you would then need to know the facts.
No longer patented 🦜
🕯🌳In the United States from Dec 2020 thru July 19,2021 339 million doses of the vaccine was administered to 187.2 million people in that time 6,207 died after receiving the vaccine but after investigating only 3 died directly from the vaccine. Blood Clots and effective treatment for the blood Clots has been created and approved. Covid-101.org get website. 🖖🖖
Warning from Israel: “Nearly 60% of gravely ill patients are fully vaccinated”
https://www.science.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta
The rest died within 2 weeks of vaccination so they don’t count towards jab deaths.
Ya no shit. Israel is the canary. Uk falls next.
Anti vaxxers are the modern Scrooge- ““If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”—from Charles Dickens’ A Christmas Carol
Literally the exact same.
And the Biden mandates are like Mr. Potter in it’s a wonderful life.
“The good news is that among Israel’s serious infections on Thursday of this week, according to Health Ministry data, the rate of serious cases among unvaccinated people over age 60 (178.7 per 100,000) was nine times more than the rate among fully vaccinated people of the same age category, and the rate of serious cases among unvaccinated people in the under-60 crowd (3.2 per 100,000) was a little more than double the rate among vaccinated people in that age bracket.” https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why
it takes 3 shots to be “vaccinated” in Israel………anything less, you’re considered “unvaccinated”.
Now how do those numbers look?
Gosh, and each Pfizer shot costs a whole $20. What a disaster.
Too bad Israel didn’t go with Moderna. Seems to he holding up better with Delta. That said, there main problem is the 39% unvaccinated rather than the vaccine of choice.
https://www.cbs42.com/news/health/coronavirus/cdc-data-indicates-moderna-vaccine-more-effective-against-delta-variant-of-covid-19-than-pfizer-jj/
Really? npr?
The Gates/Rockefeller mouthpiece?
Are we supposed to be trusting? 😆
Not much dot-connecting going on eh?
🕯🌳In the United States from Dec 2020 to July 19,2021 339 million doses of the vaccine were administered to 187.2 million people. There were 6,207 after taking the vaccine but only 3 were attributed to the vaccine. Blood Clots in the brain. An effective therapy has been created and approved to stop the clotting. Covid-101.org great website. 🖖🖖
Willie Bray, that is a .0000000113 chance, if, that what your saying, is true.
But considering the vaccine related CVT incidence rate is 4 per M, the resultant case number of vaccine related CVT is 1,354. What do you think the mortality and morbidity rate is in those cases, according to the CDC. Mortality and morbidity was not separated, death and debilitating stroke was combined. Two kinds of vaccination related CVT types were described.
Do you think it is 0%?
It’s actually much much higher.
You make no mention of them. Why not? Kym recently referenced the 4 per M CVT rate in one of her links, Reuters, I believe, if you were wondering where that came from.
The rest can be found from the CDC.
I’d quote you the Mortality and Morbidity rate from memory, but I can’t specifically recall.
One type CVT was much less than the other.
I believe one was 16% & 47%,
or, 17% & 46%. What say you about this?
The vaccines have the potential to save many lives, but that advantage does not come without risk.
For vaccine related CVT up til now that means roughly 427 dead or seriously debilitated, assuming the incidence of both types is equal.
That I don’t recall.
That’s a lot more than 3 Willie Bray.
I guess my horse will have worms, because I’m eating ALL the paste 😋
Just get your vax. Be a citizen…
Uncle Joe can’t make you, but it will get tighter and tighter until you do…
Next:
Anyone on Government Assistance of any kind will be required to prove vax status…
Believe it!
Get. Vaccinated. Now.
Why are you pleased to argue with anyone at all?
It’s just words, just a comment, and like the vaccine, it might help keep you healthy, or even save your life…
I recommend you go work in healthcare for 40 years, and then you might have a sense of how silly and self-destructive some humans are…
Also, they are very obstinate, and you will find that they mostly just want magic pills to cure all of their complaints…
Also, many humans have been fed a line of silly stories, their whole lives, about a cloud-living omniscient and all-powerful being, who created the entire universe from dust in 7 days, who created woman from a man’s rib, and lots of other fairy-tales…
And once this super-being, that lives forever, created women, so that they could bear live young and feed them, so that men would have a source of free labor, I suppose, he gave the women the ability to die in childbirth, and created uterine, ovarian and breast cancer, presumably so that “too many” women would “not accumulate”… like Does in a drought…
Then: Blogs and Facebook were invented, by this “supreme being” so that mysterious “anti-scientists” could rave about how “educated people are evil”, and how “science is bad” and about how “God will punish you for not believing all this garbage we just made up in order to control you”…
No matter what you believe, Mr Arcata, (the Paris of Humboldt), I have as much right to say anything at all, according to the rules set forth by the blog-owner and editor…
Get your vaccine, Mr Arcata, before somebody forces you to get it…
He sounds like a control freak. Just like the rest of the control freaks that have been given carte blanche to yammer on about how others should live based on their health choices. Add social media to give them a platform to espouse their beliefs and Viola! I can’t wait for this crap to be over with. 🤦♂️
That ought to cut a few entitlements,
Covid19 was engineered to do the rest. Trump promised to cut entitlements. Maybe Covid19 was the Republican Health plan to combat Obamacare. He kept promising the plan would be released in a couple of weeks. Someone needs to go back and see if the Covid19 timing jibes with his promise. He made that promise so many times that ought to be a slam dunk.
Groundhog (Fri)Day.
Condolences to the family and friends of the deceased.
👁👁In the United States from Dec 2020 to July 19,2021 339 million doses of the vaccine were administered to 187.2 million people. During that time 6,207 people died after receiving the vaccine only 3 were found to have died from the vaccine directly from blood Clots to the brain. An effective treatment has been created to effectively reduce inflammation of the blood Clots. Covid-101.org. 🖖🖖
https://apple.news/AF9CWWvp0RAeCo8Ab6Xe11A
Oh no!! If your 75 or older, the vaccine won’t keep you out of the hospital… from the cdc today.. wtf?
This is definitely a pandemic of the vaccinated!!!
https://apple.news/A7vlDkID9QqqkjKG5Xu8Vbw
More from today about how the vaccine doesn’t work in older adults. And now Pfizer trying to approve their bunk vaccine in 5year olds
Elephants eat unicorns!!!
Ain’t the internet grand! We can just say any random thing with absolutely no basis in reality.
They were saying it before the internet, but we just didn’t really visit the Farrakhan, D. Icke or A Jones rallies, you know.
Did you actually read the article you linked?
Yea it says that 1 out of every 4 VACCINAted grandmas and grandpas will end up in the hospital if they catch this man made virus. The whole point of the shutdowns and vaccines was to protect grandma and grandpa! Welcome to Joes shit show!! If your young and healthy then natural immunity is the strongest and most durable vaccine. PrOOF of natural immunity should be allowed as a substitute for the weak vaccine!!!! Say no to the vaccine mandates! Say yes to natural immunity cards!!
Whereas three out of every four unvaccinated end up in the same place.
Nowhere near 75% of any age group is hospitalized after covid infection. Where are you getting that number from?
Read the previous comment for context.
Only 3 were shown to have died from the vaccine, but how many autopsies were performed out of the 6,207? That is a crucial variable to this equation.
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🕯🌳They do autopsies on every single one. Read the article. 🖖🖖
I don’t see where you posted an article.
Please provide the information showing that all received autopsies as this doctor disputes your claim and states very few autopsies are being performed.
https://www.wnd.com/2021/07/dying-post-vaccine-autopsies/
Thanks!
“Unfortunately, autopsy rates have fallen from 25% to less than 5% over the past four decades. It never was a revenue producer for anyone except malpractice attorneys.”
….but today, with EUA liability exemptions, a government vaccination agenda, pharmaceutical companies raking in huge profits……..very few in the medical community are unlikely in wanting to overturn the vaccine bandwagon.
A number in the medical profession are keeping quiet, as not to be labeled as causing “vaccine hesitancy” and possibly lose their job.
So your allegation is that autopsies are needed for every death that occurs after vaccination otherwise you will assume it was due to the vaccine? That is the latest spiel on anti vaxxers sites so it’s not surprising it echo here.
Besides not being possible to autopsy everyone, as those sites already know, there have been autopsies frequent that have not determined to be vaccine related. And anti vaxxers just called them cover ups and lies anyway. Which is what statical analysis is what VAERS is for. To catch anomalies in illnesses. This is what caught the thrombosis issue in the J&J and AstraZenica vaccines. And the Myocarditis issues in young men. This is what happen even though the cases were a hundred out of millions of doses. And buried in the middle of a pandemic which causes so many more such cases than normal.
No matter what, anti vaxxers will never be convinced because they believe in their cause and simultaneously that everyone is invested in lying to them. Except of course YouTuber. Those they believe with no evidence.
🕯🌳Covid-101.org. 🖖🖖
That’s a pretty big link Wally. Searching for the word “autopsies” only brings up one link and it does not say autopsies are being done on every VAERS death reported. I showed evidence showing very few are being done, now it’s up to yo to show yours stating differently.
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data
just saying.
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Just saying:
Source: VAERS homepage disclaimer
Talk about taking something out of context. Cherries anyone? They are freshly hand picked!
I’m not sure if that site is intentionally misusing VAERS or just clueless to the false impression it creates.
Let’s do some math.
All medical pros are supposed to report every medical event and death, even if they think it has nothing to do with the vaccine.
2.8 million people die per year in America.
63% have received a vaccine. So, we should expect 1.8 million vaccinated people to die in a year.
That’s 150,000 vaccinated Americans per month.
15,000 total deaths are reported on VAERS since last December. Three are confirmed as being caused by J&J.
Obviously not all deaths get reported on VAERS. Also, 63% is a right now number and each month before now it was less. But we should expect 15,000 vaccinated people to die this month alone just in the course of everyday life. And there have been 15,000 total deaths recorded in the system since last December?
In other words, VAERS provides no evidence of vaccine induced deaths beyond the 3 that were traced to J&J.
Let’s take some non-lethal examples.
Bells Paulsey occurs on about 22 per 100k people in a normal year. So we should expect about 44,000 cases among the vaccinated population in a given year. 7900 are reported on VAERS.
There are 805k US heart attacks per year. That would be 507k among the vaccinated, or 42k per month. How many are reported on VAERS since last December? 6,400
Myocarditis: 15/100k people per year. That should be about 30k vaccinated people or 5000 per month. How many on VAERS since December? 5341.
So, if someone wants to ignore the disclaimer and go by raw VAERS numbers, one might conclude these vaccines dramatically reduce the risk of all cause mortality, bells paulsey, heart attack, and myocarditis.
But that would be a really stupid conclusion, and instead we should just heed the disclaimer and stop citing VAERS as if it tells is anything about vaccine risk.
Now let’s apply that same math to the unvaccinated…now it get pretty complicated right? And with 75% of the population at least partially vaccinated, and let’s not forget the part of the population that got covid and recovered, giving them NATURAL immunity. They keep throwing that 20% natural immunity number out there. 75+25=95%. I’m calling that herd immunity if the vaccine actually works 🤔
Except, besides all the other nonsense like 75% partially vaccinated equates to immunity because you choose to say so and exclude children so it’s not anywhere near 75% in reality anyway , that the hospitals are filled with unvaccinated. Where are they coming from? Considering all those NATURALLY immune. It must be all those people who were, just a few weeks ago, refusing vaccination.
Shortly the rate of hospitalization will drop again as vaccinations take hold. It could have been avoided if not for all the scare tactics of anti vaxxers who see vaccine deaths as wide spread but everyone is lying to them about it. But that ship has sailed.
Now, with waning vaccine immunity, there will never be herd immunity until most everyone gets infected. In that the anti vaxxer’s self fulfilling prophecy was right- they made sure of it. “We have a very large fraction of our population who are paying the price for a small fraction of the population who did not go to get the vaccine,” said Eran Segal of the Weizmann Institute of Science, who advises the Israeli government on COVID-19.” https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why
Of course the only light in the tunnel vision of anti vaxxer’s giving, is that vaccination even if waning, helps. Right now it is again older people who got vaccinated six months ago and who still remained cautious about exposure who are likely to suffer. Those who got vaccinated later and still have remaining help from it will be lucky to get a breakthrough infection at a point where they are still likely to have some protection. Because, to paraphrase the Bible, anti vaxxers will always be among us.
It’s coming in from the open borders. And Biden is NOT mandating vaccine for them. Wtf
Thought you were against mandated vaccination. Make up your mind
Freedom of speech.
Or, are you
the Thought Police as well?
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Npr again?
You really oughta consider doing a little follow-the-money thingy. They don’t hide it.
What’s your definition of fully vaccinated? 2,3,4 shots- maybe 5 will do it! The vaccine card has 4 spaces. They tell you after your 3rd shot not to laminate it. Was it pre planned all along to give us 4 shots? According to the woke math here, 2shots is partially vaccinated!!! 4 shots fills your card, thus qualifying you as fully vaccinated. But they keep moving the goalposts so your guess is as good as mine
That’s a great point — combining the 75% at least partially vaccinated with the 20% with “natural” immunity. Ideally, it sounds great… until we look at the real numbers.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-total-admin-rate-total
As of today (9/11), we have 53.7% of the U.S. population fully vaccinated; add the 20% with natural immunity to that, and we’re at about 74% who have some level of immunity. Two problems, though:
The people who have recovered from Covid definitely add to the “herd immunity”, but there are still so many people who are susceptible, especially with the more contagious Delta variant, that it’s not enough to make a dent in the pandemic.
The vaccines are excellent at preventing infection with the original Covid, excellent at preventing severe cases & hospitalization for original, Delta, & all variants so far, but just OK at preventing infection with Delta & other variants.
It’s a race against time. As more people get vaccinated, people who got vaccinated early lose their immunity, and people with natural immunity lose theirs. That’s why masks & distancing are important; if we don’t limit the transmission somehow, this just goes on forever.
So basically what you’re saying is that NO one is EVER FULLY VACCINATED. How many shots makes you fully vaccinated, and how long does it last, is the question of the day
First of all, your comment is completely fucking irrelevant to this discussion around VAERS.
But I’ll play.
54% of the US population is fully vaccinated. About 6% more are partially vaccinated. It’s called partial for a reason, though. And, again, no one is claiming that this or any vaccine is 100% effective.
I don’t know who, other than yourself, “keeps throwing that 20%.”
But, why assume no overlap. Many peope who are got infected later got vaccinated. Considering more than half of people are vaccinated, I’ll go out on a limb and say more than half of that 20% that you seemingly pulled out of your ass are also part of the vaccinated group. So we are talking somewhere in the neighborhood of 70% with some level of immunity.
With the R-naught value of Delta the current estimates are around 90% or more immune population for herd immunity. I know this is hard for you, but 70% is less than 90%. 🤔
You said you work in health care right? Have you ever filed a report with vaers? Do you have any first hand knowledge of any reports being filed with vaers?
I’ve asked a lot of people (on this forum, in several other internet communities with people around the country, and in real life) if they know if a vaers report was filed after they express that themselves or a loved one experienced a health crisis in close proximity to receiving one of their vaccine injections. Not a single person has reported that it was even discussed and most had never heard of vaers.
So how complete is the picture conveyed by vaers? I’m sure you’re familiar with the Harvard pilgrim health review that suggested that as little as 1% of events that warrant reporting actually get reported. Are you aware of any more complete examinations of the system?
If you multiply your above numbers by 100 it conveys a very different picture, no doubt. Even a tenfold increase paints a different picture.
Like anyone should believe an anecdotal informal survey from an anti vaxxer about anything.
You’ve never clarified what you mean by “anti-vaxxers ” and you seem to apply it to anyone who disagrees with you about the appropriate public health response to this virus.
So instead of repeating what you hope to be a discreditinginsult, why don’t you provide some evidence that indicates that your belief that the vaers system is effectively capturinga significant percentage of events that are supposed to be reported.
I have provided a combination of formal investigations and personal anecdotes to support my belief that it is failing to capture anymore than a tiny fraction of the reports it is supposed to. You have provided nothing but petty slurs
Sigh. I would suggest you dig into some of those assumptions a bit deeper.
I’ll start by simply stating that a 100-fold increase or even 10-fold increase is not a reasonable assumption.
The study you cited is very dated (2007-’10). It only applies to clinician reporting, but we know VAERS now also includes self-reports. It was done at a time when no one was talking about VAERS or thinking much about vaccine risks, whereas these blog comments show a hyper-awareness and high engagement level around the reporting system this year. I personally self-reported my side effects and was given a flyer when vaccinated asking me to do so. Speaking of which, it was very convenient to do so as I was able to use my smartphone which I certainly did not have in the years 2007-2010.
If I got a flu shot in 2009 and got a fever, there is zero chance I would have reported it to VAERS. If I asked 100 people on the street, I doubt any of them could have told me what it was.
More recent research has shown much higher reporting levels, even pre-COVID, and especially for more severe health problems and deaths. To answer your question, VAERS reporting is not relevant to my profession.
Finally, I think it is important to remeber the actual purpose of VAERS and consider the statistical analysis that goes into the back end of it. It doesn’t require 100% reporting to identify statistical anomalies and identity side effects. The system helped to identify the blood clotting issue around J&J for example. The “10-fold increase” idea requires an assumption of a massive cover up. I realize that is the whole point for many on this website, but it don’t think parsimony is on their side here.
And I don’t know we have to leave out the clinical trials in these conversations. Side effects in clinical trials are tracked much more systemically and provide excellent evidence that a 10-fold underreporting assumption of serious side effects on VAERS doesn’t pass the smell test.
Thank you for the reply. Your assumptions (about a major increase in awareness of vaers) do not match my experience. There is a greatly heightened awareness among the group of people least likely to get vaccinated. But that wouldn’t impact reporting. Among my extended family, which is 75%+ vaccinated, no one that I’ve talked to had heard of vaers.
Can you link any of this recent research that shows higher reporting? I haven’t looked for any in the last 6 or 8 months but I couldn’t find anything back then.
I do agree that there is likely more reporting on this vaccine compared to childhood vaccines, but how much more is all a guess as far as I can tell. In general, adults are better able to advocate for themselves than infants or children so any vaccine adults receive is likely to have a higher level of reporting.
On the flip side, many of these vaccines are being given at temporary clinics by a practitioner that the patient will never see again. This means that if anything does happen to the person the er personnel or their primary physician would have to be thinking to look for their vaccine timing. As the Harvard pilgrim study pointed out, the failure to integrate vaers reporting into typical clinician work flow is a major cause of under reporting. Has that aspect changed?
In any case, I’d love to see the more recent research you reference so that I can have these data points beyond assumptions and guesses.
I’ll start with just highlighting that we don’t have great data on VAERS sensitivity and there are a lot of variables. The Harvard study appears to be an outlier, but at the end of the day the fact is VAERS is not intended or designed to be used for making guesses about vaccine injury prevalence. It’s all over the disclaimer. My data on background levels of various disorders compared to VAERS was not intended to suggest that background levels of those disorders are more or less than the levels among the vaccinated population, but rather to say that this is simply not a useful or intended way to evaluate overall vaccine safety. I can make a guess that severe health problems and death are under-reported by 30% and you can guess that it is 90% or 99%, or we could just not make guesses based on a system that is plastered with disclaimers that boil down to “please don’t use this data to make guesses.” When you consider the purpose of VAERS this makes more sense.
To your family survey: my anecdotes vs your anecdotes won’t get us far. I can say I was handed a flyer for reporting symptoms when I got my vaccine at a mass-vax clinic two times, which I did not experience with HEP-B or HPV or the various boosters I received in adulthood. I think there might have even been a QR barcode alongside then website listing. I reported symptoms on my smartphone in either case. The Harvard study was only looking at clinician reporting, so it is hard to quantify the role of consumer awareness. Being in the early Moderna cohort, I can say I was anxious and hyper-aware of potential side-effects, as were my peers. That effect has likely waned with time.
There’s not a lot of research on reporting trends for all possible reactions. I think it is safe to assume that death (which was not included in the Harvard study) is more likely to be reported than a skin rash, and there does seem to be a correlation between severity and reporting likelihood.
This is a much older study that predates Harvard and found 72% for reporting of more severe effects and less than 1% for skin rash: https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/reader/10.2105/AJPH.85.12.1706
Here is much newer but specific to anaphylaxis and Guillain-Barré. There is a paywall, but one interesting thing from the overview is that more routine vaccinations like MMR had sensitivity in the range of 25%, while vaccines for a highly publicized illness (H1N1) were as high as 76%.
Again, the premise of this whole thing bothers me. I am not using VAERS data to suggest low rates of vaccine injury any more than I accept using it to suggest high rates. My only real contention is that VAERS should not be used for this unintended purpose. You can apply nuance and conjecture to under-reporting levels, but simply postinf the “red boxes” from OpenVAERS is not about nuance; it is a deliberate attempt to misleas people into believing those numbers represent a causal relationship.
And finally, there are the clinical trials to consider. If 15,000 VAERS deaths “actually” represents 150,000 (or 1,500,000), the clinical trial results should look very different.
I’m curious what you believe the purpose of vaers to be if it is not to identify potential risks correlated with vaccination? Thats not to say that we should just accept any given analysis of that data uncritically, but I believe the explicit purpose of the vaers database is to identify adverse reaction trends.
As to the clinical data, it is looking worse than ever as it goes. Pfizer is reporting a 50% protection against death from covid (2 in placebo, 1 in treatment.) and a statistically insignificant rise in all cause mortality in the treatment group (14 deaths in placebo vs 15 deaths in treatment).
It is good to hear that there is some effort being made to elicit reporting with these vaccines,and I have no doubt that reporting for these vaccines is up against whatever the background level is. But the whole fact that we don’t know what the level of reporting is, though all indicators point to it being generally fairly low despite it being legally mandated, points to the deeper problem with our public health approach broadly and especially specifically in regards to vaccines.
Public health doesnt seem interested in monitoring the real world impact of our modern vaccine protocol (which has never been subjected to any kind of clinical trial) and instead is very clearly a believer operating on more faith than evidence.
I’ve shared two studies that indicated that the cdc schedule does not produce the best health outcomes in children and may be correlated with specific harms, including cognitive delays. Those studies are far from perfect but the concerning thing is that its hard to find studies that present opposing evidence. Why isn’t this being studied by our public health
agencies? They’ve known that vaccine hesitancy has been rising, they’ve produced a fair bit of marketing material designed to convince people, why haven’t they produced some rigorous studies that could prove their viewpoint to people?
And this attitude ties in tightly with what we are seeing today because many people have lost all faith in our public agencies. I know for me, and a number of my friends, the combination of hysterical coverage of the risks of covid (how are we closing in on 2 years of nonstop coverage and a good number of obviously attentive people do not know the difference between case fatality rate and infection fatality rate? Certain subreddits banned the CDC IFR numbers as “misinformation”) with grossly negligent and uncritical reporting around the vaccine roll out (anyone remember the time the media unquestioningly reported the 100% success against death?!) is more than enough to raise some suspicion. And now we see the dutiful riling up of division and conflict as unprecedented levels of social control are claimed by our government.
This whole thing stinks and there are lots of red flags for any students of history. And the root of it all lies at the feet of a government that has long ago lost the trust of its populace, deservedly so
You conveniently leave out vaccine related CVT. Nice move.
I actually didn’t. Those are the 3 J&J deaths I referenced.
health
Apparently, the highest risk factor for being hospitalized with Covid-19 is being unvaccinated. Heft that on your forklift and shove it.
J&J has only 60% efficacy against hospitalization among the over 75 crowd, after a period of time.
That’s from yesterday. Efficacy against infection must be dismal.
Put that in your vaccine pipe and smoke it. It might work better than shooting it. Gets it right to the nasopharynx and lungs , where it’s needed.
How many qualifiers do we need here? Pick the least effective of 3 authorized vaccines, (this was obvious and publicized from day 1), narrow our focus to the highest-risk age group, and note that they are “only” 60% less likely to be hospitalized.
Imagine if our hospitals had “only” 60% fewer COVID patients right now.
Paris protests turn bloody…
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/its-popping-off-in-paris/
Seems people all over the world want people like you to quit pushing them into a corner.
Be kind to each other everyone, the friction is being manufactured.
Jabbed or not we can still care about each other.
Prove it.
Show me long term studies (5 years+), vetted analysis to prove your claim.
Wuhan virus has been funded by USA and CCP since 2014.
There are long term studies, so,
Show me the proof.
Hospital to stop delivering babies after staff resigns instead of getting vaccinated.
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2021/09/hospital-to-stop-delivering-babies-after-staff-resigns-instead-of-getting-vaccinated.html
Maternity workers refusal is very telling. Maybe because they have witnessed the sterility, miscarriages and still births.
Not surprisingly, the same place has the highest case count of covid in the State too. https://www.informnny.com/abc50-now/north-country-has-highest-covid-infection-rate-in-new-york-state/
That hospital actually has a higher than normal vaccination rate. But its not surprising that their maternity section is hard hit by anti vaxxers as that demographic has been targeted. Also the State Of New York has not allowed an alternative of weekly testing and face masks as other places have. https://www.nny360.com/news/publicservicenews/lewis-county-health-system-to-pause-maternity-services-due-to-staff-unwilling-to-vaccinate/article_2db1c489-7dbe-5f88-8efe-0899abedc5c4.html
Auntie,
The tests are unreliable.
How does one know for sure if the testing is unreliable.
One doesnt.
It’s a
Scam.
Are the numbers of people dying a scam to you too? Are the numbers of unvaccinated people filling local hospital beds unreal? Are the reports of medical staff so overworked and frustrated that they are angry at the unvaccinated lies we just made up because we have nothing better to do?
“Are the numbers of unvaccinated people filling local hospital beds unreal?”
Yes.
If partially vaxxed and fully vaxxed short of the 2week minimum are counted as unvaxxed it’s at best a half truth.
And I don’t believe the story is spun the way it is, for ” lack of anything better to do,” I see it as a fraction, a duplicitous and superficial portion of the actual reality. And it’s spoon fed to the masses with the assumption they will invest no critical thought into what they are being told to think. It’s insulting.
Like the shark stat that got dumped when menosplanin(sp?) left the conversation (when discussing the bogus CDC stat that “less than 10% of Covid transmissions occur in an outdoor setting” :
“Saying that less than 10 percent of Covid transmission occurs outdoors is akin to saying that sharks attack fewer than 20,000 swimmers a year. (The actual worldwide number is around 150.) It’s both true and deceiving.”
It’s the same way the PTB and the echo chamber from the media couch the “facts.” They are both true and deceiving. That kinda shit rubs me the wrong way.
Me too.
Kym, the articles you have posted on your site have made it very clear that the issue with local hospitals and hospital staff are the result of a for profit health system that refuses to address chronic management short falls and priorities administrative wealth over competitive compensation for the essential workers that actually provide the services in their hospital.
This complete failure of a health system iterates all around this country and, remarkably, a year and a half into a declared health emergency and after pouring tens of billions of tax payer dollars into this system we have apparently failed to actually build up a system that can handle an above average case load.
I understand that you were expressing exasperation at someone who chooses to insist that everything is a lie, which is frustrating to deal with no doubt. But the problems of our health system are chronic and systemic and just blaming people that haven’t taken all of the health measures you think they should isn’t actually a solution
Sure, our healthcare system is a mess and has been for a long time. There are demographic factors like the greater Boomer retirement, economic, and political factors. Other countries have very different healthcare policy but similar challenges.
I know several nurses, and the stories I hear…
Nurses in Texas were getting paid $10k a week. Louisiana was paying $25k signing bonuses for short-term contracts.
We can talk abour health administrators and mismanagement, but its basic supply and demand right now. I don’t know of a way to rapidly increase the supply of health services over the next year, but I damn sure know how to reduce tthe demand.
Think outside the box, gawddammit. This has nothing to do with reducing the demand. They are just getting started, so if you dislike the vaccine hesitant, at what point does one life become less important than the other? It’s happened, not to long ago.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_people_with_HIV/AIDS
You don’t “damn sure know ” you “happily assume” based on 9 months of clinical trial that saw less than 5% of the study population infected by the pathogen in question. You also assume that vaers data is complete and assume that the cdc is a good faith actor in its effort to identify risks from their incomplete data.
This of course ignores the documented history of the cdc demonstrating zero desire to ensure that the vaers system is functioning at all as well as the conflict of interest inherent in the system where the cdc (under he DHHS) is the one liable for damages caused by the vaccines.
But relevant to the discussion at hand, it seems very myopic to simply ignore that the system itself is broken and instead insist that the problems now are caused by the current stressor. This is the system of immunity by subscription that I mentioned in an earlier thread. “We don’t need to worry about a total failure of basic health infrastructure, everyone just keep getting the shots we roll out and you’ll be fine, we promise”
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Now I’m questioning whether your arguments are actually in good faith.
“Less than 5%.” Yes: that is perfecty normal and why you need a huge sample size for RCTs (43,000 for Pfizer). You can actually get great statistical data in challenge trials with sample sizes as small as 100 participants, because you deliberately infect all 100 of them and can make those direct placebo to treatment comparisons. The wonderful thing about having 43k participants is you get the same efficacy data for the 100 odd people who get infected, but you get safety data for the other 20k odd participants in the treatment group.
Beyond that, my “damn sure know” statement was based more on real-word observations than the clinical trial itself. I realize two people can look at the exact same picture and see two different things, but from where I’m standing demand for hospital services is pretty strongly and inversely correlated with community vaccination rates.
I appreciate ideas on how to improve healthcare capacity. There is a huge reitrement drain that is largely demographic and not specific to healtcare. This has been accelerated by COVID. There is the “great resignation” of 2021 impacting many industries. There is a shortage of nurses and specialists all over the world. This has been going on for some time. In the medium-to-long term, I don’t know how to increase the supply of nurses by tens or even hundreds of thousands and would certainly support increased social investment to do so.. But in the short term, there is an obvious way to mitigate the current surge in demand.
I have no doubt that some medical workers are angry at the unvaccinated. I also have no doubt that some medical workers don’t support forced vaccination.
Look! We agree. (Actually, I agree with you fairly often–but not on some very big issues.)
Is it really ok to force medicate the uninfected,” just in case”, in order that the population’s potential work load to the medical establishment becomes manageable at a lesser cost?
It’s like a preemptive strike on the populace, to save the health industry money.
Do we mandate pre emptive handcuffs on everyone to bring down crime and save the sheriff’s and judicial system a few bucks, and ease their workloads?
Is that next?
It may very well be coming Guest.
What do you mean by “force medicate.” I’ve seen no such proposals.
“Do it or else!” Is not a far cry from holding you down and stickin’ it in you.
“Get the jab or lose the job” is extortion.
Listen bud, before any jab mandate happens, there needs to be one simple condition met that hasn’t been met.
There needs to be a real potential for the jab to actually solve the problem it’s supposed to be solving.
That potential doesn’t exist, you see, the jab has no potential to actually stop this pandemic.
Zero, zilch, nada.
That’s the difference.
It’s a pipedream. Wake up.
True. But mandated vaccines for healthcare workers is nothing new. It’s just a basic job requirement and has been for a very long time. Hepatitis and MMR are an obvious example and typically don’t allow religious exemptions. Some hospital system require flu vaccines outright, while others just make it extra burdensome if you don’t get the flu shot (e.g., having to wear a mask throughout flu season instead of only with certain patient populations).
Anything so incredibly lacking in transparency should certainly be considered a scam.
If not, why all the mud?
Have you actually gone to hospitals there and seen them full of unjabbed?
Or do you just trust what you are being told?
(I highly recommend the former)
My buddy who works at a hospital in SoOr said his “full” ward was empty.
Do I believe him? Maybe. But not 100% until I see for myself. Especially if I was a reporter/journalist. Otherwise, like AP, one risks running with a possibly flawed story.
Transparency.
Please take a breath and TRY, for ONE moment, to understand. Vaccines WORK.
Smallpox
Diphtheria*
Tetanus*
Pertussis*
Polio (OPV)
Measles
Mumps
Rubella
I have been Vaxxed against all of these, and I’ll BET YOU HAVE TOO! (Prove me wrong).
Never had ANY of those. Knew two families growing up who were home-schooled, did not get shots.
Guess which two kids I knew had POLIO?
Wake the f up folks. Its not a political game. REAL people are dying. Good ones.
Help us stop it.
Small Pox and polio, oh how we wish this vax worked like that.
It doesn’t. These are not immune inducing vaccines. In fact they aren’t even vaccines in the traditional sense as the word has been redefined to suit the narrative .
Can we just stop with the polio.
The very definition of “Vaccine” has changed twice since 2015. I think you probably got most of your “vaccines”, when they were actually “vaccines”.
These are imposters. They are posers.
Do not be deceived at all by them.
Spot on!
Real people can get blood clots from the jab, they sometimes take years to break loose and float to the lungs or brain.
Can you promise people it won’t happen to them in a year, 2, 3,10 from now?
It’s not a game, but politicians are very much taking advantage of it for political control.
Help,
even the Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi said at a press conference on April 29 that the House couldn’t require members to be vaccinated.
Video clips of those remarks gained renewed attention online following Biden’s announcement.
“So—so here is the thing. We are—we cannot require someone to be vaccinated. That’s just not what we can do. It is a matter of privacy to know who is or who isn’t,” Pelosi said.
“I can’t go to the Capitol Physician and say, ‘Give me the names of people who aren’t vaccinated.
What’s good for the goose,
Isnt good for the gander?
Why does many go unmasked at Napa fundraisers??
Why were servers masked??
4 month old news. Do you think things have changed, opinions have changed in this ever evolving pandemic.?
OLD NEWS !!!!!!!!
4 months is old news. you are fully gone in newthink…. freedom of choice and the freedom to say NO for me and mine is something i for one am willing to die for.
2 years in and the covids is still coming to get me and mine. maybe itd be here by now if it didnt have to rest everyday after 10 pm or if it could be spread while eating and drinking. thankfully i always keep an immunity drink in hand; water,juice,tea,milk just about anythingto keepthe covids away. i also lock my doors after 10 so it cant come a knocking
And your point is?
So when you talk about Trump, you can drag out what he said in his twenties, but what Pelost said last week is old news? C’ on man.
Hold yourself to the same standards you hold others too.
Apples and Oranges are not the same.
I actually got pertussis aka whooping cough and I know many other people that also got it after being vaccinated. Many doctors just assume that you don’t have the illness if you were vaccinated…
Lol, does that mean you decided you had pertussis but couldn’t get a doctor to agree with you? Or were you able to shop around until you found the answer you wanted?
I hear you thatguyinarcata,
He just needs to add in closing…
MOO-HOO-HA-HA-HA!
Gun shots kill way more in America than the China flu. Next they will be coming for your firearms so we can all be safer.
Fu-k the jab and the tribal dictator.
“ You guys” are completely insane.
There’s no end to the bullshit.
These threads are going to hell.
Thanks.
Sounds like you are invested in big pharmaceutical?
What other reason, in a “free” society should we shut down a Healthy Exchange Of Ideas And Information. It is absolutely clear there is a Concerted effort to withhold the access to alternatives to the Pfizer, moderna, and jnj monopoly through government mandate.
Why would two high ranking FDA officials resign?
Can someone please tell me where Comirnaty vaccines are, at the moment?
Australians are a little more than concerned that they gave up their guns….
Fauci Is Asked Why People Who Had Covid Already Are Being Required to Vaccinate, Even Though They’re Likely More Protected Than Vaccinated People “That’s A Really Good Point… I Don’t Really Have a Firm Answer for You on That”
https://files.catbox.moe/ax71w6.MP4
Refusing the shot isn’t just about freedom.
The shots have only been available for a few months and we’re already seeing all sorts of horrible side effects and more reported deaths than every other vaccine in the last 30 years combined, despite the MSM and Fauci’s attempts to cover it up.
There’s a doctor in Canada, Charles Hoff, who said he found 60% of his patients had micro blood clots after taking the shots. I think some other doctors have replicated his findings since he announced that a few months ago. Pfizer and the FDA just ignore them. I don’t think anyone knows if the micro blood clotting is temporary or permanent but Dr. Hoff said IF it’s permanent these patients are guaranteed to suffer from heart failure in 2-3 years.
Add to that Pfizer purposely fouled the control group – a couple months into their “long term safety study” they informed the participants who got the placebo they’d received the placebo, offered them the real shot and most of them took it – it’s almost like Pfizer knows these shots are dangerous and they’re trying to muddy the waters so they can’t be held accountable.
Taking these shots is playing Russian roulette with your life. NOBODY can say for sure what happens in 2 years or 5 years time. But what little evidence we do have and the actions of Pfizer make me think it’s a dangerous bet to make.
Heard that. Wally, what did you think of Pfizer’s 6 month study of their Covid 19 vaxx? The data in that study, Pfizer’s own study showed no decrease in mortality of the vaxxed vs. the unvaxxed. Thanks.
Before anyone takes this comment seriously, please read this: https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-964291665925
Thanks kym, was asking Wally, heard he was a pharmacist,
did not mean to speak against the narrative.
Though the deaths in the unvaxxed group were 15 and deaths in the vaxxed group were 14, “since death from COVID-19 is a much rarer event than a COVID-19 infection a much larger study sample is needed to answer that question.
Real-world data from hundreds of millions of Pfizer vaccine doses administered in the United States, the United Kingdom and Israel, show that the vaccine is exceedingly effective at protecting against death.“ (According to the link).
Ok?
The fact check clarifies that, according to Pfizer data, their vaccine is 50% effective at preventing death from covid 19
Correct That Guy in Arcata.
The Pfizer study
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.full.pdf
Tables from that study.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/28/2021.07.28.21261159/DC1/embed/media-1.pdf?download=true
Origins of COVID-19: Fauci’s $191 Billion Bio-Weaponization of Viruses Against Humanity
Provable In Court Evidence, RICO Racketeering & Crimes Against Humanity
David DeGraw
July 21, 2021
https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/the-risks-of-building-too-many-bio-labs
Thank you Sir.
🕯🌳Still unproven to this day.🖖🖖👁👁
You really think Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman?
If one thing has been made clear, Is the ability to accept things told to us, by the media, and governments of the world, because if we all knew the truth, we wouldn’t be able to look at ourselves in the mirror with any respect at all.
I think if we knew the whole truth, many would implode.
Prove it big boy.
even among the delta variant, one study found that the unvaccinated were 4.5 times more likely to get infected, 10 times more likely to be hospitalized and 11 times more likely to die. This study issued by the CDC on friday. Lauran Neergaard AP.
With all due respect,
the CDC has colluded with fauci as cover for crimes against humanity.
CDC lacks credibility as does fauci at the juncture.
Imprisonment is the likely outcome for all associated with above.
https://theplantstrongclub.org/2021/09/09/dr-robert-young-confirms-tracking-nanoparticles-in-shots-stew-peters-interviews-dr-young/
https://medium.com/politically-speaking/is-us-patent-11107588-a-vaccine-injected-big-brother-tracking-system-685174f1561?source=rss——-1
Just being curious: How does one know it is the “Delta Variant”?
Are folks who test positive being told this?
It’s been covered before but basically some number of positive samples are sequenced and that is used to project the average incidence of the different communities.
Auntie o posted a link, from the times standard?, talking about Humboldt County public health getting the equipment to do the sequencing locally.
I don’t think any individual cases are informed of their particular variant
Do not quit. Make them fire you. And record them, like this nurse did.
https://twitter.com/Bryan12879262/status/1436374841293262860?s=20
This is one of the most interesting clips I’ve seen in a while. Everyone should see this.
Good thing that nurse recorded this! This is gold!
“Sick and Tired?: Reclaim Your Inner Terrain”
By Dr Robert O. YOUNG
An honest review:
“This book is the skeletal structure of the philosophy behind the pH balance. While I think the basic scientific logic behind the good doctor’s philosophy is sound enought……that all diseases arise due to imbalance in our body and that diseases are really just a symptom of this imbalance……….I think his solution is too stringent.
The idea behind the pH in our body is that our body has a certain acidity/alkalinity level that allows for our body to function effectively at the cellular level. When the pH gets off, the cells adapt by changing into unhealthy cells (germs), or produce bacteria, yeasts or funguses which in turn create disease.
According to Dr. Young, the ideal balanced diet is 95% alkaline and 5% acidic. Which means nearly everything in the average person’s diet must be tossed. Chapter 7, titled Dietary Guidelines, is an almost comical read as Dr. Young goes through the food that must be avoided. Here’s the short list: Junk (nonfoods) which he defines as refined, over-processed, loaded with salt, sugar, coloring, additives, hardened vegetable oils, margarine butter and hidden ingredients. Then toss all hydrogenated vegetable oils and add healthy oils (olive and flax seed oils but only add them after eating, never heat oils!) Then table salt, soy sauces and any kind of salts. Don’t stop there. All sugars must be avoided, all of them. Because sugars contribute to allowing yeasts to grow in the body. So toss sugars, syrups, honey, molasses, sucrose, fructorse, maltose, lactose, glucose, mannitol, sorbital, galactose, monosaccharides, date sugar, turbinado sugar, etc. Next, totally avoid all refined carbohydrates! This includes all white flour and white rice. During the first of three segments of this new approach to eating one must also avoid even good whole grains such as millet, spelt, high starch vegetables such as potatoes, squash. Then…..you avoid fruit! They are loaded with sugar which directly feeds yeasts and fungus in the body. Also, avoid pork, beef, chicken, eggs, dairy and animal foods in general. Say no to all commercially stored grains, and [obviously:] anything with yeast in it. All dairy products – GONE! Avoid all malt products, edible fungus like mushrooms, all condiments,alcohol, caffeine in any form, peanuts and peanut products, corn and corn products, smoking, chewing, and all microwaved foods.
LOL. Did I just include LOL in a book review? Well yes, I believe I did.
The first portion is a cleanse (to rid your body of all toxicities) where for up to 8 days you eat nothing but greens. Then you expand it to include more vegetables and even some starch vegetables like potatoes and squashes. This concept is big on juicing and includes grasses and sprouts. It also emphasizes the importance of water and eating your very sparse list of good foods (as well as herbs and spices) in their fresh state. Tofu is ok, as well as some nuts and grains. The book also covers colloids and emphasizes the importance of including critical vitamin/mineral supplements to ensure your body is getting all it needs.
There is a whole section of recipes like healing soups.
I find myself wondering if the good doctor believes everyone should live forever and this is why he has advocated such an extreme animal grazing diet. If he did not also include the fact that those who do follow the diet for any length of time experience a marked improvement in their well-being and “feeling” of being more healthy I would have a hard time seeing the benefit of such a stringent diet. The doctor also advocates the use of saunas to sweat out toxicities and improve overall circulation, and I have to like that.
I am going to go on the cleanse next week to journal my body’s responses to ridding itself of all of these toxicities.
My gut tells me this diet is extreme. It should, however, be well liked by vegans and raw food fanatics. My sister recommended this book to me and has loosely followed this diet for years following her run-in with colon cancer. She swears this diet is why she is alive today. So for that, I am taking the idea seriously”
Health is a journey, not a destination, you will need support and encouragement, and fellow friends and family who can ride along with you.
Battling illness, disease, sickness in whatever form, is a part of process of reminding us that we must find balance and stasis in our house.
The more we recognize the toxicity of the corporate food chain, the more we can take action to encourage better choices for health!
One body, two heads.
A. & PvsG.
So friggin obvious
This is my only handle. Deal with the information, not the person.
I would love to see people take back their health and vitality, by making the companies who sell junk food, go out of business.
The fish are only as healthy as the ocean they swim in. Big pharma is not the answer for 99% of people.
We have a health crisis we cannot face, because we have all been Co conspirators in allowing toxins to be fed to our children in the name of food.
Unfortunately, healthy people don’t add to the profits of the businesses who feed on the health challenged.
Sir Percy,
I like your way of thinking. I dont ingest sugar, bread, carbs, alcohol or nicotine.
Works for me.
I appreciate your sincere quest to bring a higher level of discussion to the room, with a level headed approach.
So many ankle biters, and comfortably numb people who are ignoring the historical context of how the few have always sought control over the many, through lies, and manipulation.
Some Things never change…
“Human nature”
We recognize that we stand on the shoulders of giants, people who understood the threat of a small group of people who seek to exploit the division of beliefs, while consolidating power and control.
The recent transfer of wealth, through consolidation shouldn’t be overlooked.
#BUILD BACK LOCAL#
https://inequality.org/great-divide/updates-billionaire-pandemic/
🕯🌳Wow you guys have allowed the Taliban to come a take over your thread and like the Afghans you didn’t fight back. 🖖🖖
With so much Ammo, it shouldn’t be a fair fight.
A rumor is going around that LOCO sent operatives to disrupt RHBB comments section. This matter should be investigated immediately!
Well if it’s true that Kim allows free speech, it’s going to turn into a ghost town over at LOCO. Kyms gonna eat their lunch!! I Wish this comment section was quicker tho.
Possibly the same person who tried to get the RRBB readers to move to loco?
Who wants to fight total nonsense all day? They spend all day filling the Covid threads with their utter bullshit. To prove what? Day after day after day. Same shit. They’ve got a fixation seeing the crap they look up in print here. They get a big thrill from it.oh, they’re showing us a thing or two. The repetition is mind numbing. This seems to be “ their” full time job. Everyone else sees the bullshit, why bother after a while? It’s pathetic and hilarious the time they dedicate to it.
The daily propaganda pushing fear instead of education, and intelligent options, and doctors who have been successfully treating patients with the many therapeutics available with incredible success shouldn’t go unnoticed.
It’s a shame that good hearted people can’t see the error in their trust in a very narrow big pharmaceutical solution.
Or the plain fact that big pharma, and government has ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY.
why must this be so divisive?
You’re on here more often than anybody
Not really. “All “ of you are. Count up everyone’s comments. Who has the most? Yeah, thought so. Seriously, who are you guys trying to convince every day? Hilarious. You guys are an echo chamber show on every Covid thread.
Same people saying the same thing. Over and over and over. Tag team echo chamber. You guys haven’t the slightest idea how ridiculous you look repeating the same shit every day. It’s your life mission. It’s hilarious…
Both of you, Stop with the personal attacks. We all have better things to do.
The fact of it is, P&G is a multiple-previously-banned commentor here.
Take a guess.
I’m quite sure he is operating as Alberta too.
I can gather the statements that would show it to you too Kym.
But, if he has demonstrated the ability to skirt your efforts for the last 3 years, I doubt now will be any different.
Again with the Syd defense, so tiresome.
Always sending Kym on an endless boogeyman chase. Just because you don’t like the comments, you constantly redirect the topic.
Hint, she can do her job without your demands.
HC, Brian is not wrong that Syd keeps reappearing. And I’ve already been concerned about this commenter.
I miss Swine.
Their style of writing looks very familiar.
🕯🌳Again with the good eye Brian.🖖🖖
🕯🌳Good 👁 Brian. 🖖🖖
Yet here you are every day, typing away.
🕯🌳But Brian’s not here trying to hook some of you fish into there boat. 🖖🖖
I seem to recall differently from a few months ago.
Leave RHBB for….?
🕯🌳The great beyond. 🖖🖖
🔮
The lesson we should have learned from 9/11 is that it’s a huge mistake to suspend civil liberties, vilify ordinary people, and give the state emergency powers with no off-ramp. Yet here we are in 2021 doing this again, only now it’s a war on disease instead of a war on terror.
What they’ve done this time will be a new beginning of a war on terror. Biden just gave the terrorists more than they ever dreamed of.
And we will be at a BIG disadvantage this time.
While the idiots follow the pied piper.
The women of Afghanistan won’t be thanking you libs, your votes just sent them back to the stone age.
Valerie Jarrett and Iran thank you.
Courts will have to decide if the war on disease is a civil liberties issue. You got a president and his handlers that don’t care.
80% of COVID-19 Deaths in August Were Vaccinated People!
https://archive.is/0yBtG#selection-559.15-559.71
“PHS has been very clever in the way they’ve presented the number of deaths. Because rather than present them on a week by week basis as they have with the number of cases and hospitalisations, they’ve instead included deaths all the way back to the 29th December.”
All this because a pangolin kissed a bat? Hard to believe.
🕯🌳So you think generic hospital workers from St.Joes will rotate through a bioweapons lab, hmmmmmm mental destecterity is abundant in that group. 🖖🖖
I just got the news a fully vaccinated person I know just had heart failure and got phenomena at the a same time. Infections spread throughout his body. Probably not going to make it. I’m wondering if he was unvaccinated if they would have called this Corona.
Got pneumonia?
yes. He is overweight.
As Ms Kemp’s reply flys over his head.
I’m not totally sure, but I think that Wally uses “phenomena” as a PC version of, and in place of, “obesity”.
Stands to reason.
I don’t think “phenomena” a misspelling of “pneumonia”.
Substitute “obesity” where he uses “phenomena”, and the sarcasm becomes clearer.
He’s sarcastically, ” ‘phenomena’ shaming “, or ” ‘phenomena blaming “.
It’s nuanced.
Just my take.
🕯🌳Nice try Wally. Where’s your Trump face you usually wear?🖖🖖
I haven’t figured out the avatar system here yet.
🕯🌳Trump’s a Moonie anyway. He was there keynote speaker this last Saturday they thought 10,000 people were going to show up and only a couple of hundred showed. Ha HA HA HA. 🖖🖖
Is his name Fox Mulder?
Did his sister disappear as a youth?
Does he have paranoia about guys with cigarettes and suits?
Yeah, I know him too!
No. Mike
“Inhaled budesonide in the treatment of early COVID-19.”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33844996/
Why haven’t we heard of this before?
Because the wide range of therapeutic treatments with well established pharmaceuticals is off the table. The story is that the vaccines ate the only hope and everything else is shut down. Pharmaceutical industry has been very excited about the prospect of synthetic mrna medicine for some time now
Yep, EUA can only be justified with no other treatment options, so they had to all be disapproved in order for the jabs to be authorized.
The study was published in April 2021 (corrected in July 2021) and was terminated early when lockdowns eliminate the ability to recruit enough participants to make the study statistically valid. It did show promising results that might have a possible place in treatment especially due to its low cost and at least 3 other studies are ongoing to validate it. Especially as it was participant reported without a placebo contingent to verify reliability, the study’s author used it to encourage urgent attention for further investigation.
Basically this makes every bit of the posted idea of plotting by pharmacuetical companies to suppress vaccine sales nonsensical. The studies are going on, results of studies to be published.
Good question. Be interesting to know how Covid patients are treated locally.