Father of Three Killed by Officers in Crescent City in What Wife Alleges Was Racially Charged Shooting
Screenshot taken at 11 p.m. Friday of the GoFundMe page for the family of the deceased man shows a clipping from the news article that called him a “hero.”
On the afternoon of Wednesday, August 25, 2021, about 2:45 p.m., the lives of law enforcement officers in Del Norte County and, Robert Anderson, a father of three and a former bus driver hailed as a “hero,” converged tragically.
According to the Del Norte County Sheriff’s Department, “Crescent City California Highway Patrol (CHP) officers and Del Norte County Sheriff’s Department (DNCSO) deputies responded to the scene of a disabled vehicle that was blocking the roadway at Parkway Drive and Sherwood Lane in Crescent City, CA. Upon their arrival, they located a male subject holding a knife and walking in the traffic lanes.”
The statement by the Sheriff’s Department alleged, “The male subject advanced toward the officers and an officer-involved shooting occurred. The subject died as a result of the incident.”
Anderson’s wife, Sequoia Annette, who says she saw the shooting of her husband disputes the Sheriff’s Department’s account. She posted on the Sheriff’s Department’s Facebook account, “[Law enforcement’s statement] IS NOT THE TRUTH AND NOT WHAT TOOK PLACE!”
She said that she “WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE SCREAMING AND [Robert Anderson] GOT SHOT WHILE RUNNING TOWARDS ME,…IT WAS NO REASON FOR HIM TO DIE ON THE GROUND THE WAY HE DID PERIOD! THE BOTTOM LINE IS HE WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN SHOT IF HE WAS WHITE, AND THAT’S THE REALITY OF MY WORLD AND WHAT HAPPENED… .”
According to a statement by the Del Norte County Sheriff’s Department late Friday evening, “The events surrounding the death of Robert Anderson are being investigated very thoroughly, both administratively and criminally…This incident is being investigated by the California Highway Patrol (CHP) Northern Division Critical Incident Investigation Team and the CHP Multidisciplinary Accident Investigation Team, in conjunction with the Del Norte County Sheriff’s Office, the Del Norte County District Attorney’s Office, and the California Attorney General’s Office.”
The Sheriff’s Department states, “Footage exists from multiple Body Worn Cameras that captured the incident in its entirety from various perspectives. This footage will be released just as soon as it can be done without compromising the integrity of the investigations.”
No officers were injured during the incident.
In February of 2016, Fox 2 Detroit News hailed Robert Anderson as a “hero” for his actions in spotting a missing 13-year-old girl and helping her get back to her family.
The Fox news account stated,
Robert Anderson has worked as a DDOT bus driver for 9 years, but this is the first time he’s experienced something like this.
“My children came home with a letter concerning a missing person,” Anderson said. “So I saw the picture and just began to pray to keep this little girl and protect her, bring her back home safely.”
Robert was on his route the following day, when he made a stop on Gratiot near Outer Drive, when that same 13-year-old girl walked in front of his bus…
“I asked if she could come on the bus. She actually got on the bus and I asked her, her name. It was the young girl who was missing. ”
Police say the girl was in a dangerous situation on the street and dealing with some issues. She had been missing for days, when she was finally spotted.
Anderson drove the girl to the bus station where law enforcement was able to help.
One friend, Eirene Dixon, in Del Norte County posted on Facebook, “This man right here…was not only a friend and would come over to my house for BBQs but just to come and hang out….He came all the way across the US to help take care of troubled kids…He was a sweet and caring man who loved his family and loved his friends….He was at my house not even 3 hours prior to him being shot 8-10 times by 2 officers (1 sherif an 1 chp) and killed on PARKWAY DR in Crescent City CA. This man did not deserve to die at all.”
A GoFundMe for the family of the deceased man that was started yesterday afternoon had already reached nearly $2000 in less than 12 hours.
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So sorry for ur loss
Why is racism the first word on the minds of so many? It would be nice to, for once see an investigation be completed before this slanderous accusation taints all reason and sound judgment. Please pray for everyone involved as each life is forever changed.
Because racism kills so many black people? I’m pretty sure that is why.
Unless you are referring to internalized racism, you are missing the mark. Black men kill one another at a rate that is at least what an order of magnitude greater than other races killing black people.
Once an interaction between an LEO and a citizen has begun, white individuals have the same odds of suffering abuse at the hands of police as black individuals.
@long ago it did
Check your facts because you are factually incorrect.
Per Nate Silver’s statistical analysis, black men are murdered at eight times the rate of white men and they are nearly always murdered by another black man.
Do your own research instead of letting “fact checking” websites control your peraonal narrative.
Victim blaming is an ugly sport
So acknowledging the alarming rate at which black men kill each other is somehow “victim blaming.” SMH
I think the non racist, and more applicable data points for this conversation are what are the differences in the %of black males who are killed by police vs other ethnic groups.
https://kymkemp.com/2021/08/28/father-of-three-killed-by-officers-in-crescent-city-in-what-girlfriend-alleges-was-racially-charged-shooting/#comment-1415011
Be a good idea to compare that with the crime rates
I was going to say the same thing. 80% of police shootings involve black people. It’s never mentioned that 80% of crimes are COMMITTED by black people. Wonder why that figure is always left out of racism comments.
Victim blaming? It’s Olay these days to.go after a leo with a knife. Because he got shot he is absolved of any crime
I hope you aren’t calling the man who got shot the victimm
If a person is armed with a knife and is not complying with LEO, and runs toward his WIFE OR ANYONE ELSE, it’s life threatening. Deadly force is only option. No matter what nationality you are.
There is nothing racist in that comment. Some folks are unbelievable. When someone crys racism and there is none, it undermines their credibility and makes them seem crazy.
The knife part sounds like a lie. Why whip out a knife if your car stalls? The cops will say they mistook his cell phone for a knife to justify shooting him. If it was a 20 year old blond lady, they would have assumed it was a phone.
For the love of God, go watch the bodycam footage! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al3p0A0s5Eg There you go. Please stop coming up with your own truths and believing the narrative that you inherently WANT to believe.
Watch the video. (1) He pulled out the knife and said he had a knife, (2) he put the knife down, (3) he picked up the knife and lunged forward and swung at an officer, (4) now he’s dead.
If you have to ask this question you haven’t been paying attention. The fact that you don’t/can’t see racism in this scenario does not mean it does not exist.
I think, Monika, a lot of people are tired of everyone seeing racism when IT ISNT THERE.
Are you positive you are correct here? (Not saying you arent, just asking if you are Positive in your mind).
Yes racism gets ‘covered up’ every day, and we all know the cops have some real big problems, the biggest being the type of people they hire and a toxic view of race.
We all know race relations need to be much much better.
But screaming “That would not have happened if he was white!” at EVERYthing helps no one, and whats more, is seldom true.
Far too often when the facts come out it turns out the people killed werent ‘completely innocent’ after all! Turns out cops were there because someone called them FOR A REASON.
The facts will come out in this case, but like every situation, the only ones who KNOW what actually happened were the one who were there.
Wow this country is more effed up then I thought…smh we should have went with Malcom instead you people will never treat us as equal
Because the CHP is racist. A black man I know locally is pulled over regularly on the 101 by the chp because he has a nice car. His wife and children are usually with him. Not ticketed, just pulled over because he’s black. Chp is racist.
I know most of them personally and not one of them I know is racist. This accusation is what is racist. So much hatred and false accusations on this thread it is sickening. You all seem to hate cops until you need one. One seriously sick society.
You are so right. We’ll see what comes up on those body cams
This is so True!
Just a random observation. My father in law is black, constantly brags about driving triple digits on highway and breaking traction or otherwise violating laws in town in one of his three separate sports cars.
Subsequently, he is pulled over on a regular basis. Guess why he says the police pull him over?
@alf
Because police kill innocent people of color at a massively disproportionate rate. Why are you so dismissive of an obviously huge problem with policing? Some people wanna keep their head in the sand, some people have their heads too far up their ass to see what’s happening.
Not true. Statistically, police interactions with black and white subjects in similar situations have similar outcomes. Being belligerent and violent with police officers is a bad idea for anyone of any race.
You don’t know what you are talking about . alf and others supporting him are correct. Black men are usually the ones killing other black men. Local farmer should do some reading about the actual statistics. Let the investigation play out. I have a feeling it will show what they are saying. It is still tragic. Absolutely. Maybe he was having a mental health crisis but you can’t advance on police with a knife without a potentially very bad outcome.
Absolutely false Local Farmer.
First off, police rarely kill ‘innocent’ people no matter what color they are.
Only a few dozen unarmed individuals are killed by police in any given year and unarmed does not instantly make it a bad shoot. Someone may be brandishing a replica gun or may reach into their waistband after being told not to move. But, let’s say hypothetically that every single shooting of an unarmed person is a wrongful killing though. Would you be surprised to learn there were only 12 unarmed black people shot by police is 2019? I think it was around 20 in 2018. Hardly the epidemic we have been told to believe by the media.
Secondly, while black men are killed at a higher rate than whites per capita, they are not killed at a higher rate per felony. Unfortunately black men commit around half of all violent felonies even though they only comprise around 7% of the population. Committing felonies tends to lead to interactions with police.
There have been many studies that show there is no racial bias in police shootings. Here is one that was done by a black Harvard professor…
(I tried to put a link here, but it won’t post my comments with links for some reason. A simple google search wild for you. Here is the relevant paragraph from the article)
“A new study of over a thousand police-involved shootings found what researcher Harvard Prof. Roland G. Fryer Jr. calls “the most surprising result of my career”: There is no racial bias in police-involved shootings. Not only are blacks not more likely to be fired upon by police than whites in tense moments, the study found that, if anything, they are less likely to be shot at.”
Just want to make clear that nothing I stated reflects on the current incident in Crescent City. None of us have enough information currently to state whether this was a justified shooting or not.
Yes. Still a problem, sad to say. 😥
The threshold for justifying shooting a black man is pretty low. A friend of a friend was shot and killed by police in DC 3 days ago for being asleep at a stop light. Probably breaking the law, but not a capitol offense. So we’re at 2 out of your 12 per year just this week.
And a huge amoInt of white are killed by black people. Get with the program and stop making it all about race
they seem to get more media coverage than the other victims.
Why did he have a knife in his hand? Was he repairing the vehicle? Why was he moving towards his wife? Why didn’t he listen to the police? What actually happened? It would be nice to see the bodycam footage.
Probably a phone. Body cams will be covered by accident. No charges. Half the commenters here will believe forever it was justified regardless of the true events. There are too many unlikely scenarios for the police version. A person who had a career as a transit driver moves to Crescent city, is one of the few black people in town, and is so mentally unstable he decides to run through traffic with a knife? This only happens after the allegedly mentally unstable person was driving, and his car broke down. So what, he was going to drive somewhere and be unstable elsewhere? He just happened to break down, so he’d fight the aliens there? Doubt it. More likely he was a normal person, who broke down, hopped out of the car with a cell phone, one of these commenters saw their first black man in a year, and called the police…
That a remarkably detailed and hateful assessment based solely on speculation.
Now that the video plainly shows him attacking with a knife, what do you have to say?
Absolutely would and he never ran toward them
I don’t know about racially charged, but sounds like maybe someone was charged with a knife.
Says the white man who probably has never experienced racism
If he hadn’t before, he has now. Well done!
BINGO
I’m white and I know for a fact the whole system is racist from the police to the judges …not all of them…but MOST of them. Not from what I have read about or heard about…but from what I have personally witnessed and experienced
Because in this situation if you know Rob he wouldn’t harm a fly. The issue is its a knife. You have a taser. Only black men do they reach for the gun first instead of accessing if this situation can be deescalated without three children losing their father. Lets see the footage. Period.
And now that we’ve seen the video, what do you have to say?
When a man rushes a LEO with a knife it never ends well. Using a Taser is not always a viable option when seconds count. There is nothing racial about this situation but it’s a good excuse for the left to complain and hate on LEO’s. If you believe the woman is telling the truth about what she saw, I have ocean front property in Arizona for sale. The Sheriff’s Department states, “Footage exists from multiple Body Worn Cameras that captured the incident in its entirety from various perspectives. This footage will be released just as soon as it can be done without compromising the integrity of the investigations.”
do you watch TV you going ask a dumb ass question like they just showed a white man chasing a police officer with a machete can you tell me why him didn’t get shot he took the police car and drove off plus look at the 17 year old kid that shot 2 people at the March and walked up to the police car and they told him to go home the only reason they went 2 days later arrest him was because of the news guess what color he was I don’t think I need to tell you
Watch the video, he charged at police with a knife. End of story. She didn’t start screaming until after he was shot.
Obviously you never experienced racism that’s why you can’t recognize it no reason to argue with someone who grew up with a golden spoon
Because its a highly racist town and alot of cops are corrupt and racist so what do u not understand here u was not there to say
We want to see transparency from the department unedited footage on what happened there . We want to know why Robert Anderson after being shot was handcuffed. We also want to know why no medics came to the scene until a hour after. We also want to know why the girlfriends phone was taking with no search warrant. Last time I checked that was not police protocol. We want to know the police departments mandate on tasers and PR-24 policies. We also recommend a independent investigation by the DOJ .
Amen
That part and our issue is edited footage.
Why don’t you ask the police department to answer your questions to your satisfaction?
Right on Rob was an amazing person and her phone would have showed the truth that’s why it was taken by them with no warrant…or reason and exactly something isn’t right when someone gets shot and no ambulance comes for over an hour I’ve seen them come in 15 min for auto accidents…this is just another major misuse of their badges and power its so very sad that this man is dead and his children have no Father we want to see those videos before they get doctored up!!!
Now that we’ve seen the video what do you have to say?
They administered first aid immediately and the paramedics were there in 1 minute. Watch the body cam.
I am filled with grief reading this. I am so sorry~
And so angry
The video is online for you to see he charged at an officer WITH A KNIFE
Still excessive force and slow ambulance response and no I don’t assume race was a factor. Handcuffed still after 6-8 shots? They were not really trying to save his life. All those officers and one man without a weapon initially. Maybe should have shot an air gun to get him away from that knife.
[edit] You don’t meet deadly force with non-lethal measures. If they shot an “air gun” to get him away from the knife, you’d be on here complaining that they didn’t need to shoot him with the air gun. I’m curious, if the situation had played out differently and Mr. Anderson was successful with his attempt to stab and kill the police officer… would you be commenting on the story of the officers death, saying that the police officer was a great man and Mr. Roberston should have stabbed him with a rubber knife instead? The man tried to murder a person, he lost his life for doing so. The camera footage is clear, lethal force was totally justified here.
Please chose a different, less antagonistic name.
I will not make a judgment based on the tiny amount of information available here. Condolences to all who loved him. I hope the investigation is honest and thorough, and if the killing was not justified that the officers are punished to the fullest extent of the law.
May we all reserve judgement until we learn more.
It’s really hard to reserve judgment when we know cops lie, cover up, and stick together. The wife witnessed it all, so I believe her. A knife isn’t a weapon that should cause fear as most up here carry one. He should have been tased if they were afraid. I’ve seen videos of plenty caucasians carrying more lethal weapons than knives and they dont get shot.
First the verdict, then the trial!
It’s the democrat way.
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If you don’t think a person should be highly afraid of a man with a knife, let me explain. With a knifeman at twenty feet you have about 1.5 seconds to live if he charges. Enough time for you to draw a gun and fire one or two unaimed shots if you’re fast.
Most people shot with a handgun don’t just drop at the first shot and a determined wounded person full of adrenaline may just work you good for a while.
The cops I trust most to be able to make rational decisions when scared shitless are combat veterans. An officer who hasn’t had a few close calls is still a work in progress and is unpredictable.
We shall see.
There were so many cops …so frightening for a man already freaking out and in trouble…well armed one would hope with other skills such as not surrounding him and saying ok we’re just going to sit here till you get away from the knife. Hey Robert can we get you something to eat or drink man you are clearly upset…tell us more about what’s going on. Do you want a phone so your family can talk with you or a friend Robert?
He was good man and a great father. Its hard to believe this knowing the family we know
it was on the internet, so it’s gotta be true
Seen the video yet? He charged to policeman , swung the knife at him, then Charged at his wife.
I’ve broken up shootings and attempted stabbing as a woman alone without training nor protective gear, they can do better.
Post the video of you disarming someone with a knife while they are lunging at you… While you’re at it, post the video of you breaking up shootings (whatever that means). Lets see the proof, or site the news story that lauds you as the hero that broke up an active stabbing / shooting.
Correct! There is much information missing. As in the distance between the victim and the officers. What was the size of the knife? And why wasn’t a mental health person called? Did the police have body cameras? What about witnesses? What about other forms of controlling like pepper spray, TASeR etc.. Were the police all standing in a group and not using “divide and conquer”. This reminds me of the mental person killed in Blue Lake because he was holding a leaf rake. As I recall there were four deputies who fired weapons killing the mental person. Or the mental lady killed in Eureka in an apartment who was holding a flare gun. So much missing information.
The lady in the apartment was shot twice in the back of her head, execution style, according to reports I read at the time!!! This was not long before the famous EPD Shootout, in downtown Eureka, when they sprayed downtown Eureka with lead!!! Something to think about as it relates to this incident!!!!
The “reports” you read were not accurate. Gun battles result in stray bullets.
Bullshit the reports I read were published AFTER the incident was independently investigated!!!
I think they are referring to the incident where an epd officer fired something like 40 bullets at a subject while in pursuit on foot through the area around the 101 turn in eureka. The officer did hit his target once. The suspect did not fire back. It wasn’t a shoot out, just a wildly inappropriate course of action by an epd officer
Distance approx 10ft. Knife approx 6in. Waited 15min to draw a weapon. Body camera footage available. Police not in a group, they were circled at a distance. He charged the officer I’m less than 2 seconds of picking the knife BACK UP. Swung at the cops head. Then ran at the wife. That’s why the gun was used not pepper spray or a taser.
Yes and the cops were doing nothing to deescalate the situation – dude was obviously out of his mind sounds like loosing his home from bits I could catch. Maybe related to cal trans widening hyway and likely other issues stemming from that stress like drug abuse or alcohol, lack of sleep….. Cops should not have surrounded him, maybe even sat down and asked if he needed something to eat or drink which may have calmed him and or a phone to call a friend. 5 cops 5 guns at least against one man with a knife in broad daylight – a guy who had not yet hurt anyone? Seriously they can and must do better .
This guy did have a knife, a large one however all you say is valid and my other comments; I’ve broken up attempted stabbing and shootings without staring nor protective gear. Those cops were surrounding him and being intimidating which is wrong when clearly the guy needed help calming down and to speak with someone jot just be commanded. System must change. Also they did not take cuffs off no matter they knew he was shot over 6 times…they also during the time they should have been focused on victimmwere asking the cop did he get cut….dude is a trained grown up and could be helping himself if he needed help….old boys and now girls club…girls are the worst trying to kiss up and bad ass enough fir the boys to like them. Messed up.
Can we ask his wife if he had mental issues instead of assuming? Mental health person…hmm. This is crazy and it just seems some people will never learn. Why can’t people just not run away and attack officers and think that is ok without consequences. Black,white,brown,or yellow everyone needs to follow the same guidelines to not attack or pretend to attack an officer, pretty simple if you ask me.
More information here
https://www.triplicate.com/news_free/man-killed-in-officer-involved-shooting/article_43fccdb4-06da-11ec-84ea-37cde00b43ec.html
Thanks. More info is better. The body cam footage is going to be the biggest thing. Every frame should be released.
Absolutely, but there are many who jump to conclusions strictly because of the race of the victim.
Yep, it might have to do with the higher rates of minorities pulled over and or killed by cops.
Driving while Black!
Driving while Brown!
This was neither. It was brandishing a knife in the middle of a road.
You DO understand that criminals and people who mean you and your loved ones harm come in all colors right?
Or is everyone YOUR skin color innocent 100% of the time? Just wondering.
Not because of the race. Because the headline is basically hero father of three shot by police and wife alleges it was racism. Where else could this possibly go?
“girlfriend alleges…” is reporting, not concluding.
Thank you Kym…
I have no judgement in this case because there’s not enough information, but I do have some context from another recent case that some might find interesting. I first heard about the Josiah Lawson stabbing knife and cellphone death and just filed it away with the rest of the cases of needless human tragedy, and I probably even assumed that anti black racism, and police error had possibly played a part. However, I found out that the guy Kyle zoellner who was accused of the stabbing had grown up in my cul de sac and I knew his dad and him as a kid, so I took the time to read the court transcripts and every word about that case in print. Nobody really wants to talk about the details because there’s some “unpopular” stuff in there. I’m in the running for ‘voted most unpopular’ so I’m going to bring it up. The jury decided that Kyle may have been guilty, but that it was self defense. Some of the highlights of testimony in my opinion were that one black guy said under oath “I’m not gonna lie, Kyle zoellner was very respectful in asking about his girlfriend’s missing cellphone.” After Kyle had a one on one fight with someone over the missing cellphone, and he was picking his keys up off the ground, Josiah lawson and TWO other brothers jumped on Kyle and beat the shit out of him. Paris Wright who was a brother in Josiah’s all black “Brothers Above All Others” fraternity testified that he “had a hard time pulling Josiah Lawson off of Kyle zoellner who was unconscious in a head and body lock” and he also stated in court that at that time he “was worried that Josiah Lawson was going to kill Kyle zoellner.” Paris Wright was kicked out of the fraternity after his testimony. I could bring up quite a few more details but it would indeed be very unpopular. God rest his soul, and I’m sorry for the family and everyone involved. My personal view is that the globalist masters VERY actively fan the flames of race hate to stay in control so we fight each other down at the bottom while they laugh to the bank from the tippy top of the world economic pyramid. And also to try to intimidate people from saying what they think in case it might be “racist.” I read extensively about the FALSE FLAG PSYOP in Charlottesville that resulted in the McKinley statue being removed and reinvigorated the divide and conquer strategy amongst us, and fulfilled Orwell’s prediction of statue removal and erasure of history. McKinley was a civil war hero FOR THE NORTH, and even an abolitionist, not to say he was perfect of course… I think a far more racist thing than mckinley on the Arcata Plaza is the cock and balls water fountain. Every town in amerika had a double water fountain. One side for whites only and one side for colored. I would have been happy if they left McKinley standing there but put up 4 bigger statues of American Indians towering over him, or something like that. Here’s one of many websites that has all but disappeared from the internet because it’s “unpopular” archive.is/20201217153825/https://wethoughttheywerewhite.tumblr.com
That’s one of the only remark that has truth to it. Unless people are right there at the time of an incident how is it they know so much. Case closed, or is it mind closed. Like you said at least wait to find out more of what may have happened. How is it ok for some people to say horrible things about others, but not ok for others to speak ugly remarks. That just shows how people truly don’t feel good about themselves. We are all human.please stop the ugly comments about anyone.
2% of the police officers out there might be ok to pack a gun. Of course that means 98% shouldn’t be
Actually, your claim is meaningless and based in hysteria.
Yours aren’t??? Asking for a friend!!!
Next time you need help in a dangerous situation, I suggest you call a hippie…
We’re pissed because if he was white and had just murdered a bunch of people, he might have had a better chance of survival.
Can you provide an example where a white person who just murdered a bunch of people and then lunged at police with a knife was apprehended peacefully? I think you’ll find the overwhelming majority of suspects that don’t resist and don’t try to use a deadly weapon and attempt to murder a police officer will typically come away from the encounter with their lives. Are there exceptions, sure.
Missing rest of quote from his friend stating he had been acting erratically that evening and morning had posted ranting video re wife whilst shirtless in the woods
Not relevant.
Because you say so?
Why would that be irrelevant? Or is that sarcasm?
Neither has anything to do with the actual circumstances of the shooting.
Disagree. Enormously relevant; helps explain (though not justify) his behaviour. Sounds like altered mental status; question is, was it self induced\chemical, metabolic, physiological, psychological…? *Why* was he behaving erratically & deranged?
In that case it’s even more egregious that a mental health team wasn’t called at the getgo.
When there’s nobody left to blame, pull the race card.
Spoken like a racist.
Spoken like a realist.
When you only have one card, I guess you just play it over and over and over again.
There are a lot of people being used by various political organizations that are 51 cards shy of a deck!
Is that sarcasm or hate speech? Inflammatory and uncalled for either way.
🕯🌳A knife is no comparison to a gun if they felt threatened or felt the wife was threatened by the description of the incident he could have been,at the very least shot in the legs .🖖🖖
You have no idea what you’re talking about. A knife is as deadly as a gun at close range. Of you pull a knife, firearm training says shoot to kill.
Ummhate to burst your bubble but shooting someone in the leg has a very high death rate if you are good enough shot to hit the leg of a person running at that with the blood pumping breathing rapidly because you are about to possibly take a human life nearly half of most shooters would be hard pressed to make that shot without missing and having bullets flying god knows where into god knows what. Then since the leg is so much narrower than a torso which most people are trained to aim at center mass giving them the best chance to hit the target regardless of a hasty trigger squeeze or uncontrolled breathing being able to hit just flesh of a leg without shattering bone sending splinters through arteries or hitting arteries themselves is just about impossible just a nick of a artery is enough to cause a human to bleed out in less time then it takes to read this comment.
Unsubstantiated claim from someone who was not a witness to the incident.
Well bud i have been shot and i did not drop a few times almost died later and i swear getting shot doesnt hurt until the docs get ahold of you, so from personal experance i can tell you that your comments are not correct at leadt based upon my personal experance
Not when wearing all protective gear and training in self defense.
No judgement on the above situation, when trained to use shoot you are always taught to shoot center mass. It is the only sure way to end a lethal situation. A knife is usually more lethal than a gun in hand to hand close combat. This is not a comment on the above case, but I keep reading people say shoit them in the leg and it is not TV. Condolences to all involved.
It seems like there’s no good choices in these matters if they tased the guy he could die of a heart attack because he had a bad heart and the electrical shock kill them if they turn the canine loose on him and he got bit by a dog he could get an infection and die from that we can go on and on just wait until the story comes out people get so wound up and they weren’t even there I know I wasn’t there I don’t know much of anything because there’s no facts out there just a bunch of assumptions.
I was thinking this exact same thing! 8-10 shots? Aren’t officers trained to observe a situation before rolling up on someone, possibly in distress, which they’re NOT trained for? Why couldn’t they disarm, disengage, diffuse this situation, which they are trained to do so they may serve & protect, even this man. They don’t know what’s going on. He’s obviously in some sort of trouble. So he had a knife. If necessary shoot him in the leg, pepper spray… anything before what should be a last resort!
They talked to him calmly for almost 15 mins. He even put the knife down. No officer even had their gun drawn. He walked back to the butcher knife, snatched it up and charged the officer, swinging it at his head. Then ran towards his wife.
When you pickup a knife and run at someone while trying to murder them… that would be a “last resort” type situation. Shoot them in the leg you say? Well aside from the fact that you have clearly never shot a gun and also watch too many hollywood films, lets assume the officers shoot this man in his leg. When the bullet hits the suspects femoral artery and he bleeds out in 90 seconds, what would you say? Talking to the man calmly for 15 minutes without guns drawn seems like an attempt to diffuse, no? The loss of life in this case is tragic, but you seem fine to offer up the officers life instead. Their job isn’t to sacrifice their life to “protect and serve” this man.
Naïveté, gross grotesque optimism, & thorough ignorance of shooting mechanics.
It’d be nice, disabling shot, shoot the weapon… but that’s Hollywood fantasy. You cannot be certain of success, & lives depend on stopping the threat so you must take action in the most dependable way possible
Dam
I’m going to judge I’ve been to crescent city and it’s racist that whole place is trash I’ve seen how they treat the native people
I live in CC and you’re pretty much right. The thing is our local law enforcement has to deal with armed and mentally unstable and/or tweaking individuals ALL THE TIME. And until now, they’ve done so commendably. So what was different about this one… I’m trying to reserve judgement until they release the body cam footage, but I can tell you no matter what’s on the footage, people in this town will say it was justified. And to be fair, most of them would probably say that no matter what the color of the person’s skin was because they are also rabid bootlickers.
Crescent City racist? Really?
I went to school there & there was only one black family
Everyone I knew loved them. I didn’t know their father, but there mother was kind, worked diligently and loved her children and others.
We loved dancing with her sons in P.E. because they were great dancers
I moved to Southern CA from CCC when I was twenty & worked in the office of a car dealer.
One day, Ray, who was black, said, “I couldn’t come to your house.”
I said, “You can if I or my husband, invite you.”
He said he wouldn’t because inviting a black man would invite trouble to me.
I never had problems with any color of skin. It’s about behavior.
Are you behaving or are you carrying someone else’s racism or jealousy or anger forward?
If life is the pits, get an education and quit whining. It’s not about color, or “poor me,”
It’s about behavior and attitude.
I started out in life in a one room, donated shack with little to eat, a father who fought at Guadalcanal & came back with PTSD when it was known as “worthless” and a mother with Multiple Sclerosis who dropped everything she tried to carry, including 4 of us kids.
When you have a job, love it. Nothing will promote you faster than working with enthusism.
No matter your age, get ahead by getting an education.
Respect the police and quit blaming others for your lack.
Makes one wonder which of the invertebrate Crescent City Karen’s 911 SWAT’d this poor unfortunate, African-American man, for having the nerve (sarcasm) to have car trouble around Whitey-hood. SMDH!
So…have you watched the bodycam yet, James?
We should all be demanding to know what happened asap because racism still exists today and if you don’t believe that, then you are part of the problem. We have came a long way, but there is still work to do. I do not believe training can eradicate this indoctrinated way of thinking. Or maybe it could, if officers were also taught critical race theory.
Is this parody?
Need to know what he was doing with the knife?
It looks like he was trying to kill a police officer with it, based on the body cam footage.
These cops all stick together, lie and are gun happy!!…there was absolutely NO REASON to kill this fine man!!! I’m so disappointed in our taxes paying cops to kill great citizens!! If they were afraid, they could have used a tazor gun or stun gun just enough to stop him but he did no wrong to Have ANY kind of violence towards him!! You idiot cops!! These cops need to be prosecuted to the fullest!! When these cops took on their jobs, they should have thought about protecting all citizens instead of being bad asses cause their cops and protect everyone and jumping on their guns!! I’m tired of seeing them stopping homeless people and giving them hell too cause these people already have bad lives…. Get these cops!! So so sorry for his family and friends….I hope you can move on from this terrible tragedy…jail these idiot cops!!!
Have you watched the body cam video?
Yes and it is absurd 5 officers with full body protection could do nothing but surround the guy with just a knife and frighten and intimidate him – he died by cop on purpose out of terror no doubt. The cops negotiation skills were zero – all intimidation and ordering.
Play stupid games, win stupid prices. Got what he deserved
Saw the bodycam video. Picked up a knife, ran at an officer, slashed at the officer, continued past & slashed at another, kept running. Whatever he was altered by, he was dangerous & a threat. Luckily nobody else was killed. A shame he was deranged, but he died because he was dangerous. It’s puzzling because all other evidence indicates he was a good, nice guy. So why was he out of his mind & attacking police?
He could have been having a psychological breakdown while wielding a knife. But that doesn’t mean he had to die.
This scenario has been all too prevalent in our country and finally being exposed due to cameras on the scene.
The police might have even been justified under current laws to use deadly force in this case. But that doesn’t mean the man had to die.
Should they call you next time they need help disarming a violent suspect with a knife? It’s not their job to sacrifice their own lives so that the person trying to kill them can live. If you charge an armed officer with a gun while trying to stab them in the face/neck…yes, you deserve to be met with deadly force. The loss of life is tragic, but I’m curious what your comment would have been if it were the police officers life that was taken by this man. Would you have taken the time to commend him for serving the public? Would you suggest that maybe the suspect should have used a non-lethal knife, a spoon maybe? If this man was running at you, your mom, your children… would you ask the cops to pepper spray him or hit him with a pool noodle? Of course not.
I knew a kid in high school who was nothing but a troublemaker. He joined the army. A year later he was rat packed by his platoon because he was such a fuck-up, and the platoon suffered because of his actions. And yet his mother always said he was such a good boy. Sorry, but a loved one usually has rose colored glasses on.
Most of those that have commented about Mr Robert Anderson are community members who have had interactions with him and or know him! No one with rose colored glasses! As to your example, those stupid kids that cause problems or are bullies or who have had trouble in social situations or in the service, are the majority of those same punks who end up being recruited to become law enforcement offices!
I read a story the other day about a young man that killed three in a vehicle because he was street racing. The one victim in the car that was killed had a father who is a comedian, though iv never heard of him. But the point is that no color of the accused killer wasn’t mentioned, he wasn’t what people call white and I thought why is it only if the person is white do they mention it in a story. How is it that people that are all humans with different features, are assigned a color when they say people are racist. How is it that people can know who is or is not racist, and who makes that call. I’m an individual and I only see good people or people that choose to be bitter. Walk in others shoes if you can,even really know how they think. But it’s time to stop mind reading and pretending that you know what’s in anyone’s heart. We are one race ,the human race. We just come from different situations. If I wanted to I could live my life as a victim,because of my family, but we all have choices. Il get back lash and many comments, but that’s ok, we all must be responsible for our lives. Good, bad or however you want to see yourself. With the people that reply, who are quick to judge, I would be afraid of these people sitting on a jury, because it seems that alot of people don’t wait to get every detail of may have happened. And when I think of the comments, I’m sure I would be judged just on others biases.
I really like the idea of sending out mental health workers and social workers to these violent situations completely unarmed. When they get raped, stabbed shot and taken hostage and want police backup well to bad you don’t like the cops deal with it yourself. Need an ambulance, well to bad don’t send the medics in there deal with it. Yip go ahead folks and have someone come at you with a knife or other weapon out of their mind and show me how it is done.
As for this situation I will reserve judgement until more information. Every time a non white person is shot these days, justified or not, racism is the first accusation. The problem is 99% of the time it is BS so when real racism occurs people have doubts.
Just like rape and domestic , the terms have become so over used they are now meaningless the same is coming true with convicted felon with everything becoming a felony anymore everyone could easily be a convicted felon the only difference is one has been caught and paid the rest havent
bullets kill.
i am incredibly sorry for your loss.
so sad and unnecessary
It was not because he is black it’s because he was waving a knife at the cops and coming at them aggressively. He would have had the same thing happen if he was white. Stop pulling the race card ya idiots.
It’s about time we put this race card bs to an end once and for all.
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Bad business. A very bad business. Condolences to the grieving.
Black or Hmong, the white cop instinct is “kill”.
Stereotyping blacks or Hmongs or whites or cops is rarely true or helpful.
Spot on Kym! We should all judge ourselves and others as the individuals we are by our actions and to a lesser extent by our words. Only groups like child molesters and rapists can be accurately judged en masse.
Those are groups defined by their actions…I’d add those who litter, those who vandalize, those who steal, and (in homage to Firefly) those who talk in the theater.
I agree that those groups are defined by their actions. I just chose actions that would outweigh (in my opinion) any positive aspects of a person. I generally believe in second chances, but for me there are some things that should be treated as one strike and you’re out.
As always, thanks for all you do.
Fair enough…
Do you really believe that police (and others) see a black person in any given situation differently from how they see a white person?
There are literally thousands of videos available that would indicate that you are not correct if you believe that.
I believe that that all of us, black or white or whatever, are racist to one degree or another.
I also believe that assuming that every police officer is a racist in the conventional sense of the word is assuming a hell of a lot.
A deeper thought in response to your comment reminds us that all that humans, when provoked fight for themselves it isn’t racism.
Ponder this ; Is it racism when one hates all races including their own?
That is misanthrope. It’s not racist, but it is a sad outlook on life.
“… all of us, black or white or whatever, are racist to one degree or another.”
Seems likely.
“assuming that every police officer is a racist in the conventional sense of the word is assuming a hell of a lot.”
Plus statistically improbable. Most likely racism among cops is distributed similarly to racism in the general population.
Becoming a law enforcement officer and undergoing standardized training and indoctrination is an action, as is shooting a person.
Ah. Yes- the *special* hell.👍😻
It may not be comforting, but it’s true enough in America.
How do you know the cop was white? That is racist on your part. He/She could have been Hispanic, black or any other race. You are even assuming it was a male cop. We have zero information about the cop.
Good thing we have so many trick shooting psycology majors who are also drug free, criminologist moral authorities. When law enforcement is defunded or all throw in the towel, I for one will feel secure amongst this commentariat whom will surely all put their money where their mouth is.
Minnesota just decided to stop traffic stops for minor infractions that can be handled by mailing citations. This will save lives. It will reduce bullshit “resisting arrest” arrests. All they need is a dash cam video documenting the infraction and your plate and bingo. Ticket is in the mail
That’s all well and good until you mail it and find out that owner wasn’t driving.
The wife can allege anything she wants. Does that make it headline worthy?
I’m not touching this (now) racially charged, traffic driving *personal dispute* gone wrong, (he allegedly posted video earlier in the day in despair over what sounded like betrayal within their relationship) with a 10 foot pole!
My goodness, I should stop being amazed about the concrete thinking of so many people and the jumps to judgement that take place, but I’m not. It constantly surprises and saddens me. Not to mention the willful ignorance of so many, i.e. someone hears “Black Lives Matter” and responds with “All Lives Matter”. Well of course all lives matter, but that isn’t the point and you damned well know it! Any objective view proves that black lives have been less valuable to the majority population and it’s time to change that.
But anyway… Institutionalized racism and inherent bias are present in each and every one of us to one degree or another. “I don’t see color.” Bullshit, you see it. We all do. How it affects what you say and do is what matters. I don’t know what happened up in Crescent City, and neither do any of you, yet so many are jumping to such concrete conclusions. Slow your roll – there’s already so much to worry about. Yes, demand an investigation, yes, demand to see the video, yes, have an independent review of all of this – hold the feet of authority to the fire as often and for as long as you think necessary. But stop the jumps to conclusion, they hurt us all.
Sure, it looks fishy. Black people are a tiny fraction of the population in Del Norte, yet this is the guy who gets shot. Does that mean he got shot because he’s black? Maybe. Perhaps probably. But I don’t know, and neither do you. Would a white guy in the same situation have been shot? Maybe. Probably not as likely. But I don’t know, and neither do you.
Some things to consider: Black people are killed by police at a wildly disproportionate level compared to their share of the population, but interestingly a study of the cops who did the shooting showed that their ethnicity didn’t matter at all – white, black, asian, hispanic, cops of all types kill black people at about the same rate. This suggests racism not on the level of each individual cop (though some certainly are) but the institutional racism of not just law enforcement but of the country as a whole. Black people are seen as a greater threat not just by white people but by black people – that’s an “us” problem, not a “them” problem.
To the “shoot them in the leg” crowd: doesn’t work. If you need to shoot it’s because you need to stop a threat with split-second judgement, which means you need the highest probability target. That’s the torso. Think of it this way – if cops could target areas with such precision and so many were overtly racist to the point of wanting to kill, wouldn’t they just go for the head shot? No, because that doesn’t work either.
Someone else noted that up close a knife is as lethal as a gun. No, they are way more lethal. A bullet doesn’t have the slashing ability to open up major arteries from which you can bleed out in under a minute – a knife does. There is a principle called the “21 foot rule”, wherein a study showed that an assailant with a knife can run full speed from 21 feet away and stab the cop in less time than it takes the cop to draw and fire their weapon. I’m not going to swear by the science of this but the idea is valid, and here’s where a problem shows up:
Too many cops will “stand their ground” in the face of a charging subject armed with a knife, bat, etc. Smarter idea – retreat to where you have something (a car?) between the two of you. Slows down the entire contact and makes less tragic endings more likely. Then maybe you can use your words.
Last thought. I have great sympathy for the woman who lost her husband and can’t imagine being in her position, and this last thought is in no way an attack on her. Traumatized witnesses are not good witnesses, and this can include the cops. Her initial statements can’t be dismissed but can’t be taken as the gospel truth either, not because she’s lying but because she is badly traumatized. Just as with the cops she should be allowed to review all video evidence before making a statement.
OK, that’s enough. Let the attacks commence.
Well said! Let all these arm chair,keyboard commandos get a job with the CHP or sherries office!
They are understaffed and hiring! Race has nothing to do with it, don’t go waving a knife or gun and you’ll be fine!
Not exactly my point, aside from the keyboard commando part.
Please step away from your training. If you have 10 bullets in your pistol ( 20- 30 in your ar-15) it’s very easy to position a non lethal shot. Many, many times I have chosen to shoot a yogi in the ass rather than kill it. It sounds like a veritable firing squad happened this time. At 20 feet the threat of a knife is laughable when I have my 1911. But at 5 feet I’ll aim for the chest. At 2 feet I’ll unload in your face. Let’s wait for the footage!!!
If I get this right many, many times you’ve chosen to shoot a bear in the ass and just let it walk away to possibly die a slow and painful death? A bear that presumably isn’t attacking you unless you claim to live in backcountry Alaska. I think you just gave up the moral high ground in the “compassion” category. What does the amount of rounds in your weapon have to do with the ease or difficulty of making a certain shot in a split-second decision? That only makes makes sense if one of your many shots is non-lethal while the rest are – if you’re that good how about just Barney Fifing it and walk around with one bullet? Put that 1911 (ooh, you’ve got a big gun, very impressive) in a holster and stop an attacker from 5 feet. You can’t. And if your reading comprehension is at all functioning you’ll know that I’m not defending or throwing down anyone on this (with the exception, of course, of you).
You failed to ask the question, what did you shoot it with? Well since you already enacted condemnation we’ll leave it be. Where did a split second decision come into play? Like I said wait for the footage. Lastly, I don’t own a holster. Your attack is simplistic at best. No one with a knife needs to be killed unless of course you are being stabbed.
So, you would wait until you were being stabbed? Good luck with that strategy.
The idea of needing to shoot someone, but shooting to injure is ridiculous. If the situation is such that you don’t need to shoot to kill, keep your finger off the trigger altogether. Watching movies is not firearms training.
If my life isn’t threatened, I don’t need to kill it actually is compassion as danger ranger so eloquently explained. In a fist fight would you beat someone to death? Or just teach a lesson?
A bear is roughly 2 times the size of a human , a bear is certainly predictable to a point and i would laugh at someone attempting to draw a firearm from five feet away and think they would get to pop a round off before i broke their arm hand wrist and possibly neck without a weapon with a knife 5 feet is about one step and a good swing, if a person was attempting to draw a weapon they would be unable to defend against my attack and their firearm would never clear their holster. Sorry but that is fact and their are many many people trained with such skills.
Spot on with the cops who have killed black people not being disproportionately white.. It’s always classic when the cop is black and it is still being called a racial killing. I’ve seen it more than once. 😓
My point is that if it’s a black cop and a black dead guy it actually IS a racial killing – it’s just not a racist killing. That black cop might love all black people, but in the split-second decision making he falls victim to the overall American cultural bias that black people pose a greater threat. This shit is a lot more complicated than people like to think.
If you’re going to get that theoretical with paranoia (and perhaps you should), you might also factor in when/where/why police are now more likely to NOT fuck with anyone who isn’t white, AT ALL.
One problem with responding to a fuck up in progress call, is you could then get your city burned down by white arson-tourist poseurs who think a piece of shit criminal trespass/sexual assault restraining order violator who showed up to illegally instigate a bbq, then violently resist arrest (and admittedly fumble a knife on the street) is some kind of near-martyr demigod hero. Kamala will fly in, the anti-Semite dad will go on Amy Goodman, lawyers will be counting money, the whole thing.
This is partly to digress into saying, Fuck Robert Blake. Why do people know his name and not that of the mother of his children, who called the police, because ~”he’s not supposed to be (t)here?”
Anyway, I’m led to believe that there are crime statistics by race, pertaining to rates of encounters with law enforcement while participating in violent crimes, while armed, resisting arrest, etc. You might be able to imagine some other situations that DOJ and/or FBI happen to compile records of. Hate crimes, committed by race (where known), as an example, are disproportionately committed BY blacks. But, the “where known” thing makes it iffy.
Parroting something like, “black people are disproportionately killed by police” is one piece of the puzzle, but this mustn’t be regarded as a stand-alone statistic, if we care about the truth.
Are black offenders more “likely” to be doing the kind of shit that anyone/everyone (of any race) will get whacked by police for? I’ve read a surprisingly high relative number on a compound statistic of crime types while interfacing with cops, but maybe some of our friends will be better at retrieving original criminology than I. Maybe I could be corrected on this.
Yes, cops are notorious (rightly or wrongly) for falsifying reports—and lying, in general. There’s no good reason to believe they only lie about encounters with non-whites, however.
If you’re white and haven’t been fucked over by cops, then lucky you. Don’t assume that’s universal. Many people have proposed other models for viewing the problem, such as Social Economic Status.
“This shit is a lot more complicated than people like to think.”
I agree with much of what you said, but you totally miss the mark with your determination of institutional racism being responsible for black men being shot by police.
You said, “Black people are killed by police at a wildly disproportionate level compared to their share of the population”
That is true, but you neglected to factor in that they also commit a wildly disproportionate amount of crime, so it is quite understandable that they have more encounters (sometimes deadly encounters) with police officers.
The police shootings of black men are actually quite proportional to the amount of violent felonies they commit, as many studies have shown.
You’re not wrong, but you’re not entirely right either. Yes, reported crime committed by black people on a per capita basis is far higher than reported crime committed by black people. Still disproportionate to the amount of shootings by a fair degree, but your point in not without merit.
But that then opens the question of why this is the case. Centuries of institutionalized racism and marginalization is the reason. Centuries of the criminal justice system being rigged against black people and their sentences being far greater than those of white people committing the same crimes. Years of red-lining, cramming black families into ghettos and preventing those with the means to get out from getting out. Predatory lending practices, lack of access to banking, living in “food islands”, getting substandard primary education – I could go on, but I think I’m making my point. And then, when we send these black men to prison at such a disproportionate rate, what happens to them? They aren’t given the chance to “rehabilitate”, they’re not given schooling or training that helps them on the outside. They’re thrown into a school for crooks, and when they get out the only opportunities they have are related to what they learned in prison – being crooks.
The whole system is fucked – the shootings of black people are just the most visible example of how fucked it is. And again, we don’t know what happened in Del Norte – this is all speculative at this point – and I hope people can cool their jets on the assumptions and blaming, whatever they may be.
Officer arrive to a husband and wife with a stalled car in the roadway and the husband is holding a knife and thus they shoot him 9 times. None of that makes sense. It’s not a DV call or a fight. It’s a stalled car in the roadway. A knife is NOT particularly a weapon. A knife is also a tool. My father, my grandfathers, my cousins & uncles all carried a pocket knife. Not as a weapon but, as a tool and they used them all the time for all sorts of things; from getting a sliver out of a child’s hand to adjusting the carburetor on their truck. It doesn’t even sound like they gave him a verbal command to drop the knife or give him a chance to comply. They ran in and shot him 9 times! I do not necessarily believe the Sheriff’s departments defense that he ran straight at a deputy with the knife in an attack mode. Why is the sheriff’s department or CHP investigating themselves. That is not only unethical. It is illegal. Both the CHP officers involved and the Sheriff’s deputies involved are subjects in the investigation. They cannot investigate themselves or each other. The outcome for one will be the outcome for both. It sounds like they want to make sure that the outcome is in their favor. What kind of little click is going on with the top officials in Del Norte County with the Sheriff, CHP, and District Attorney? The State needs to form their independent investigation without the Sheriff’s influence. The Sheriff is obviously biased. A man lost his life. It doesn’t get much more serious than this.
What was he working on in the middle of the road with that “tool?” How do you know what verbal commands the officers gave before he was shot? And how do you know how many times he was shot?
“Friend said…..” = insubstantial.
Butcher knife. Attacked cops who did not have weapons drawn. Watch video.
Saw the bodycam video. Picked up a knife, ran at an officer, slashed at the officer, continued past & slashed at another, kept running. Looked like a 6-8” carving knife- serious weapon.
Wow Humans.
Lived in CC for a few years, had issues with my child playing with pelican bay guard children….
Noticed how even at traffic stops Rangers would appear, not in the park.
We only need to look at the complete economic destruction of Orick, the camping and rvs are gone- to feel the power over true Americans these people have.
CC pretty much shows the future and a tiered class system in Occupied America.
Very sad…
It’s definitely a very sad situation. And Possibly mishandled. But I’m not so quick to automatically call racism as the Sheriff of Del Norte County wife is black. They have a number of children together.. This is all very tragic. Deepest condolences for the family’s loss.
https://www.triplicate.com/news/del-norte-sheriff-plans-to-step-down/article_f5ebf302-ef41-11eb-b068-efe2d7099705.html
For the most part Apperson has been a great sheriff and I don’t think he’s racist. Could he have some racist deputies though? Possibly. CHP also responded and one of their officers shot. Could they be racist? Maybe. As I said in another comment, law enforcement here has to deal with these situations all the time here and in most cases have done so without shots fired. So I want to know what made this case different. And maybe it had nothing to do with skin color. I hope it didn’t. But in any case, it’s an f-ing sad situation and I feel sick about it.
More than likely not racist. Likely scared trigger happy greenhorns policing our community. Chalk it up to incompetence.
Didn’t even draw their weapons till the cop almost had his head taken off by a butcher knife. Watch the video.
Was the Sheriff there? His wife? Your comment is not relevant.
Black folx will never feel secure until they are only regulated by their own kind.
I can understand their suspicion of non-black society, and this suspicion has only gotten worse as demographic factions have formed and divided profoundly in recent years with all the badge cam footage online.
blacks and whites just don’t trust or like each other generally speaking, and that’s a pretty obvious reality reflected in the constant claims of racism.
The only solution I see is to create small black police forces within larger departments to regulate the black community.
Yes, neo-segregation, similar to that proposed by woke thinkers.
If things are as bad as black racial identitarians say they are, then my solution addresses these concerns.
Separate jurisdictions for essentially separate cultures.
I know it’s unrealistic, but that’s kind of my point, the inevitable impossibility of trust when “races” and cultures are mish mashed into gibberish and forced to live together and essentially be controlled by police forces that undeniably still trigger the instinct of the master traits and the slave traits.
So master & slave behaviour is genetic? Racial memory? Interesting
The public should get to see the body cam videos at the same time the police chief does. The cops work for the public, for service to us and our safety.
In Siskiyou county, in another cop shooting, the DA is refusing to release the video tapes at all. So don’t hold your breath.
Curious that in the not-so-recent killing of the Hmong man Mr. Hawj in Shasta Vista, the video tapes supporting the police story are STILL being suppressed by the Siskiyou county DA.
It’s not stereotyping when it’s true so often. Non-white people get the short end of the stick from the armed authorities.
We all know the outcome when you bring a knife to a gunfight. That being said we must question the law enforcement if they were really in danger. The race card shouldn’t be pulled here it only divides our strained community. No matter the race if you come at me or anyone in my vicinity I will use appropriate force. A shot to the leg is usually all it takes!
Rest in peace, condolences to the family
From a legal perspective, shooting someone to injure instead of kill puts you in a dangerous place. Seeing as you are only allowed to use deadly force when you are in imminent fear of great bodily injury or death, deliberately shooting someone in the leg (which is still considered lethal force) runs counter to your defense that lethal force was needed.
I understand your thinking, but you need to understand what the attorney of the guy you shot is going to be telling the jury.
I would rather be condemned for hurting someone rather than killing them. The jail sentence for hurting someone is far less than the life long sentence you’ll endure out of jail for killing someone.
I doubt lethal force was needed, but I may be wrong.
Body cams, we need to see the unedited video.
And now that we’ve seen the video?
And how many white people or white police are killed by black people? That could be labeled racist however do we as white people pull the race card. It was a killing and the body cams will show whether it was justified or not. Why start chaos again. As the parent of a LEO, I see situations he is put into every single day and he shows no difference in his calls on white or black.
Breaks my heart yet another senseless murder by cop, murder of sweet father of three …shame on you shame on you…
Let us not prejudge what happened.
We have to review the body camera pictures to understand what actually happened.
Maybe the guy stopped to take a knife out of the roadway. It is a road hazard, and a free knife. (A found knife is always bad luck.) Was it a good deed?
If he had stopped to remove a crowbar from the roadway, and was running back to his vehicle with it, where there were now cops, should he have been shot for it? Time will tell. If the cops settle we may never know. Something very similar happened to me. It very nearly cost me my life, and it was a good deed I was in the process of doing. A cop intervened. My life flashed before my eyes. Petit mal seizures ensued. Still happens to me around cops. No good deed goes unpunished.
First off, it’s hard to believe that it took 8 to 10 .45 caliber bullets to stop a man allegedly holding a knife, assuming it was at close range and at least one officer was in imminent danger. If he wasn’t at close range (since he was walking in traffic lanes and the cops probably were parked on the shoulder), then it’s really outrageous.
Just picture the noise and impact of .45 caliber bullets at close range hitting a man: BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM…BOOM BOOM BOOM….BOOM BOOM ….BOOM! That’s ten shots at close range. The first four would have spun him around and dropped him for certain.
Now let’s examine the choice of words in this deliciously ambiguous press release:
“The male subject advanced toward the officers and an officer-involved shooting occurred. The subject died as a result of the incident.”
“Advanced” intentionally gives us no detail about his distance or speed, nor about what dialogue or communication occurred.
“Male subject” implies he was under some sort of investigation, but no detail is given about what info dispatch gave the officers, nor about what crime the man may have been committing that would make him a “subject.” For all we know he could have been a reporting party, innocent bystander, or another involved person, per the original dispatch call for service.
“Holding” is only half of the definition of “wielding”, which means to hold and use, so there is no allegation he was “using” the knife in any articulable manner. There are lots of legal reasons to be holding a knife, and if you happen to be holding a knife for a legal reason or even an illegal reason when officers show up in force and draw guns, then you probably don’t want to make any furtive or sudden movements. No allegation that any command was given to drop the knife or get down on the ground.
“Officer-involved shooting” is such a watered-down euphemism for the more direct phrasing “Officers shot the subject.”
Finally, he didn’t die “as a result of the incident,” he died as a result of being riddled with bullets. Too many euphemisms raise concerns for me. The fact that the cops needed to “spin” the incident with a press release at all is of concern. If a “subject” attacks any person with a knife, and an officer heroically saves the victim by shooting the perpetrator, would the cops need a press release to spin the story? Probably not, because it would likely be reported on by an actual journalist of the independent free press for the story’s newsworthiness, because everyone loves a hero, especially if it’s a police officer.
The press release is careful to contain the building blocks to justify the shooting, but clearly doesn’t allege that the man in fact attacked the officers or was perceived to be attacking the officers, which would be a simple allegation if true or alleged to be true; nor does it even state that the first alleged fact of advancement towards the officers and the second alleged fact of holding a knife was somehow cognitively or volitionally related.
Tentative Conclusion (which is all one can make at this point): The cops know they fucked up, and it’s damage control time. Perhaps not murder, more likely a lack of situational experience or training.
Footnote: Notice this comment is race-neutral and has ZERO to do with race or racism or cops or “copism.” (How do you like that, I just coined a term.)
Postscript: Take it easy on each other people. These kinds of investigations are marathons not sprints.
Please watch the video. Every single one of your assumptions were wrong.
What say you now that we’ve seen the video?
How much useless squabble could be saved, if opinions were formed after even a short investigation. By the way, this is not a world wide event, sorry for your loss, I hope some answers are forthcoming.
let’s wait to see what the investigation brings out
You are all schmucks. Not one of you knows the facts or any basic truth to what happened to this poor man. Shut your mouths and let the trained do their jobs! Unbiously as they’re sworn to do.
The man was mentally distraught. White or black really I don’t see colors? but I do understand the police have tasers? Why wasn’t that tried. They do shoot like a gun? How many real shots were given? One or 10? Sounds like target practicing if 10? Then you have a man running at the police or victim? That will get you shot no matter what nationality you are? Sounds so heartbreaking children and a family lost him in such a tragic way. And I feel also sad for the police officers that used deadly force. I don’t believe the police thought “ hey he’s black let’s shoot him. But I do wonder why a taser wasn’t used? Prayers for all involved. May he Rest In Peace.
They drew no weapons till the guy slashed at the cops head.
Just want to know why he had a knife and why his wife didn’t stop him. (People…)??????????
When you play dumb games with the cops you get a dumb prizes! If he was white no one would have heard a damn thing about this.
https://youtu.be/rpnXd6FooNY
https://youtu.be/8U0hLC9YtyM
I’m a progressive white man, age 80, who lives in Crescent City. It seems obvious that Robert Anderson was in emotional distress when he was blown away by “law enforcement.” This was manslaughter by cop, and as of Sep 5 there has been no follow-up to this murderous assault. Nothing in the paper, no demonstrations, nothing elsewhere in this Trumptown
The wife is a liar.
Just watched the video on Police Activity on Youtube. Anderson picked up the knife, rushed a cop and swung the blade. The wife/gf is not being truthful or didn’t see what happened clearly. Regardless of who you are, you are going to get shot if you attack an officer.
Unpopular opinion : a knife is not a gun and should be met with non lethal force
Reality is that cops are pussies.
So, knives aren’t lethal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al3p0A0s5Eg
wife lied he lunged at police with a knife