Letter Writer Offers Petition to Mandate Proof of Vaccines in Humboldt County Public Places

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COVID Letter to the Editor
Dear Editor,
Point 1: We are facing the biggest health and public crisis in over 100 years. Everyone knows that. No rational person denies it.Point 2: What we have done for the last year and a half has not stopped it. That’s not opinion; it’s fact – as published daily by the Humboldt County Department of Health.Despite the fact that we now have a vaccine which we didn’t have last year, and that we know how to minimize the danger of COVID, we are at our highest levels of spread since the pandemic began. That’s just wrong.

Our hospitals are in danger of being over-run. Our health care workers are overworked and feel defeated and unappreciated. They face a shortage of staff and the options to bring in more are close to non-existent. Instead of being hailed as saviors and heroes, they have been treated as frontline pawns thrown into a winless war without regard for what they must face. To that point, we can’t even keep up with the demand for COVID tests due to the rampant penetration of the disease. And let’s not forget the societal, personal and financial damage being done to individuals, organizations, and our local businesses. We cannot – unless the situation becomes even more dire – lock down again. Sadly, that option is not off the table.

For the last 18 months, many of us have chipped in and done what we were asked to do to mitigate this rolling disaster. We took care of ourselves and we did our duty to take care of our community. We did everything requested of us. We isolated. We (double) masked. We socially distanced. We sterilized our hands and workspaces. We worked from home when possible. We avoided crowds and travel. We missed family celebrations and gatherings. And when it was finally possible, we stepped to the plate and got vaccinated, looking forward to being able to (somewhat) return to our lives, assuming that we – the general public – would cooperate for our own health as well as the public good.

Alas, that was not to be the case.

Because so many have refused to cooperate, we are now in worse shape than we were a year ago. It is not however for not trying. We cajoled them. Nothing. We offered all manner of incentives. Nothing. We set up vaccination clinics. Nothing. We tried enticing them in every way possible. Still nothing. As we are well-aware, study after study; expert after expert; have all reported that the ONLY way to overcome this pandemic is vaccination. Period. End of story. COVID will not just “go away,” it will persist, probably even mutate into more dangerous incarnations if we don’t do something NOW.

To that end, many of us are bitterly disappointed, frustrated and even angry at how this has shaken out. There is no reason for our progress to not only stop, but to go backwards due to the irresponsibility of so many others. It’s just plain wrong that those of us who did the right thing have to sacrifice YET AGAIN for those who could get the vaccine but have refused. Their argument is “personal choice.” We get it. They have that right, but with choice, comes responsibility.

In light of what has not worked, it’s time to change course and do something different than previously attempted. Continuing to yell at a wall won’t cause it to fall. We must take a different tact.

So, while continuing to try and convince and coerce and encourage the unvaccinated to step up, we need to change our tactics and target those who won’t do the right thing by, this time, making them sacrifice. Why should it be that those who won’t do the right thing get to drag down those who do? It’s time for a new approach; as the old approach didn’t work and there’s no reason to assume it will this time.

There is a public-health movement spreading across the U.S. to require proof of vaccines to go to many public places, and it’s time we instigated it on the Northcoast,
We understand that some don’t want to get the shot. Then, they don’t get to be with those who did. No shot? No public transportation. No shot? No restaurants. No shot? No attendance at public events. It’s really simple. Some say it’s wrong for government to apply such rules but that’s not true. When public safety is necessary, we do what we have to do for the greater good. It’s not personal; it’s responsible.

We all want to get out again. We want to go on vacation. We want to go to the movies or theater. We want to eat at a restaurant – but we want to do it in a safer environment. Unlike some, we’re not willing to gamble with the virus — nor deny its reality.

We did what we were supposed to do to bring us back from the brink. We took care of everyone we could. Now, it’s time for others to help with the load. It’s the fair and right thing to do.

Please sign our petition to require proof of vaccines at public places – and then share it. It can be found at https://www.change.org/SupportAHumboldtVaccineMandate

Scott Q Marcus

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Mandy
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Mandy
2 years ago

This vaccine is no different than any other vaccine required for elementary kids to enter school. However it is not mandatory yet. And I and my 12 an older kids, would like to get the shot(s) but trying to get an appointment without a car(I rely on the bus) I have been finding really hard. But how showing the proof thing is going to be hard and stupid…but the honor system didn’t work out any better.

Alberta
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Alberta
2 years ago
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Prof. Quiz
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Prof. Quiz
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

That’s a SLIPPERY SLOPE you want us on Bub. . . .

Be a good Nazi will you? Hail Fauchi!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deRESFlDEgQ

May I see your papers please?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzhIPvEanMg

Benjamin Franklin once said: “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

Triniboldticino
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Triniboldticino
2 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

I suspect ‘ol Charlie Darwin will sort this out over time.

Alberta
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Alberta
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

For your info only.

I am an American Patriot. If you havent figured this out yet.

Keeping it real.

Prof. Quiz
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Prof. Quiz
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

Alberta:

I was just trying to get my reply to this article towards the top. I wasn’t after you.

Alberta
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Alberta
2 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

Ok and thx. Didnt mean to get huffy.

Pls add Project Apario to your research

Project Apario, an OSINT research social media utility was formed to increase the knowledge of its members and the public about declassified government records.

Jing schmidt
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Jing schmidt
2 years ago
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Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

You call yourself a patriot but you definitely aren’t one. True patriots act for the public good. Fake patriots wave flags around while disregarding the public good.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

The word “Patriot” is closely related to and usually intertwined with the word “freedom”.

You might not like the concept or maybe you consider it dangerous but MANY have died to preserve it. 🌎

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago
Reply to  Formerly 4T

@thirdeye
You don’t get to define what a patriot is. You are one of the people who are begging the government to diminish our liberties. SMFH

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  Formerly 4T

When you say “this is violating my Freedom” what you are really saying is the most pressing thing right now is my inconvenience, not other people getting sick and dying.
You so called “ Patriots” here are anything but, we see right through the phoniness. But yeah, puff out your chest and wave that flag if it makes you feel like your somebody.
What a crack up.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

The Propaganda Machine has ramped it’s attacks on Freedoms and you have bought it hook, line and sinker.

Take a look through history and let me know a single scenario of individuals ceding their freedoms led to a positive outcome for the People.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

The sacrifices during WW2 by Americans at home.

Rations on too much to name.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

The jump starting of the Military-industrial-pharmaceutical complex. Uh no.

Non-fiction
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Non-fiction
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

The gain that Brian refers to is the fact that we can even have these conversations openly.

Without the sacrifices of WW2 we would be living under Imperial Japan, likely as colonized slaves, OR under Nazi Germany with their arbitrary insanity.

So, Rover it’s not as cut & dry as you want it to be.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

What?! Please direct me to any evidence that can even hint at the idea that north America was ever at risk of conquest by imperial japan?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Japan never could of invaded the US. “A rifle behind every blade of grass…” Their lame attempts at fire bombing by air balloons demonstrated that ineptitude… but put Hayfork on the map.

The Germans would have been just as unsuccessful.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

I dunno, seems like a cornerstone of American patriotism is supporting individual liberty, even when you don’t agree with the individual.

Prof. Quiz
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Prof. Quiz
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

“This has literally lit a bomb underneath the membership,” said Fraternal Order of Police President John Catanzara. “We’re in America, G-ddamn it. We don’t want to be forced to do anything. Period. This ain’t Nazi f—ing Germany.”

https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-hall/2021/8/25/22641495/chicago-coronavirus-vaccine-mandate-october-15-city-employees-police-unions-lightfoot-catanzara

For those of you with an attention span longer than a goldfish: It’s the principle of it all.

LAFD Fire Capt Christian Granucci of Station 108 says he and his men will not take the vaccine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9sK1C_lNvY&t=745s

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

By all means, if you are obese, elderly or have other pertinent comorbidities get your Vax. Everyone else should mask up in public and indoor spaces.
My father in law is my doctor. One of my sisters in law is an epidemiologist at redwood memorial hospital. One of my other sisters is a nurse at st. Joe’s hospital.
None of them is recommending I get the vaccine for my teenage son. The possible harm from the vaccine outweighs the possible harm from the virus in adolescents and children. It is extremely selfish and irresponsible to try forcing the youth to take this vaccine. The best path for the youth is to contract the virus, develop the antibodies and move forward. It will be like the seasonal flu for them going forward.
@kym
Not sure what’s going on but you seem to be deleting my comments that in my understanding don’t violate your rules. If they do violate your rules please explain.
Thank you

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I know I’m on moderation but you are deleting my comments that have no personal insults in them? Just wondering why. Thanks.

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You do have a very hard job moderating these things and thanks for doing it. I apologize for myself for criticising you erroneously as I thought you deleted my comments but i later realized that it might take a minute for them to show up or reappear and also I double posted because I didn’t understand this but anyway yeah people have strong feelings in the face of death and also in the face of totalitarianism… Super Orwellian. Frogs in boiling water etc. I would have erased my errors but I couldnt figure out how to do that. Thanks for giving people a chance to make mistakes or say pretty much whatever they want.

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
2 years ago
Reply to  Mandy

There are lots of local pharmacies accessible to public transportation offering vaccines. You can find them through https://www.vaccines.gov/.

American Patriot
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American Patriot
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

Can I call you Dick or do you prefer Richard. You can still get covid with the vaccine. It’s for people who have immunity issues not healthy people, adult or child.

American patriot
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American patriot
2 years ago
Reply to  Mandy

Communists are the ones who want to vaccinate everyone for something that has a 99% survival. Probably have more of a chance of dying on my motorcycle on the way to eureka

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago

“Communists”…LOL

Seriously, WTF?

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago

Yes, commies don’t allow freedom and liberty. They want to tell people what’s good for them and make them do it,” for the betterment of society.” Nazis also suck and don’t believe in liberty. You’d be amazed at what is in those history books. The United States Constitution is also a great read.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago

Too much right wing propaganda.
Makes them say crazy things.

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

LOL! I’m far from right wing. Nice try at continuing Trumpian divisive rhetoric though. Why make everything political and box people into simple categories. There are more than 2 numbers and a whole rainbow of colors. Why make everything black and white? I’m down to have a healthy discussion but throwing childish insults around isn’t my cup of tea.

American Patriot
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American Patriot
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

That’s a useful idiots’s right to think the wrong things. It’s your right to take an experimental vaccine that does not work for healthy people. It’s my right to say no and it’s a personal and private decision. Period

Douglas
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Douglas
2 years ago

Sure, 99% survival sounds pretty good until you do the math. Means you’re willing to accept 3.2 million deaths of your fellow Americans. That’s half again more deaths than in all American wars combined. So I guess those who die of Covid should be ranked with the patriots of other wars for dying,whether they liked it or not, to defend the freedom to go unmasked and unvaxed.

Flatten the Curve
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Flatten the Curve
2 years ago
Reply to  Douglas

Offsets the 6.5 million Mexican babies born a day here. Ever seen how Catholics breed? Like rabbits.

American Patriot
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American Patriot
2 years ago
Reply to  Douglas

It like a 99.6% so you can get the math right first. Also the numbers are padded also to cause mass hysteria.

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago

It’s even less than .4 mortality. .4 doesn’t take into account any of the individuals who contracted covid but had an asymptomatic reaction. Truth is nobody knows and how could they? All we know is that it is .4% without counting the asymptomatic.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago

When you say “ most people don’t die from it” what you are really saying is that the thousands of people dying of Covid each week are insignificant to you.

American patriot
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American patriot
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

No you guys cured the flu, heart attacks, car accidents, cancer. On average 2.9 million people die in America every year for the last 5 years and the total did not go up for the covid. Do your research. All death are horrible and effect a lot of families and love ones. I understand the human dilemma do you!

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Mandy

I love my Zombie Juice. Bill Gates is the best slave master I have ever had. I want them to make me buy their stonks and products without having to think for myself. I look forward to working for free. I look forward to asking permission to leave my house.

Slave chains are liberal. Mandates rock!

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago
Reply to  Mandy

Good Fresh article from today on why vaccine passports must be rejected globalresearch.ca/why-vaccine-passports-must-rejected/5754250

Dr Rude ozone
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2 years ago
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ITS TIME TO RETIRE THIS PETITION globalresearch.ca/ap-breaks-mainstream-media-narrative-time-retire-pandemic-unvaccinated-sound-bite/5754714

Antichrist
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Antichrist
2 years ago

How do you explain those that have gotten the shot also contracting the virus ? If you have the shot it is supposed to protect you so why do you care anymore who does or doesnt have the shot ? If you got it then good on you you should be safe right ? So what does it matter to you or anyone else if your neighbor doesnt get it ? The fact that we shut everything down for so long is laughable get the shot and be safe or dont and roll the dice . It is their bodies their chose right ? I mean if we start mandating one shot we could also demand others or other medical procedures . Like abortions or weight reductions or gene treatments , thats a idea lets get everyones dna tested and treat those genomes we have the editing tools after all, just think about it we could put a end to low iqs we could advance the human race beyond anything anyone can even imagine in record time.

STFU already!
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STFU already!
2 years ago
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Shhhhh you cant talk about the breakthru ..er I mean (undercounted ) “post vaccine infections. Nothing to see here.
It’s all semantics and theater at this point. Avoid the vax!!

“Effective May 14, 2021, the CDC announced a change to their criteria in reporting breakthrough cases. According to a statement on the CDC’s website, the agency said to help “maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance” it will stop recording COVID breakthrough infections unless they result in hospitalization or death (whereas unvaccinated individuals who test positive for COVID-19 still count as a “case” even if they are asymptomatic).

Additionally, in April of this year, the CDC issued new guidance to laboratories recommending a reduction of the PCR test’s Ct (cycle threshold) value to 28 cycles (from 40 cycles), but only for fully vaccinated individuals being tested for COVID.

Both changes will result in lower overall numbers of reports of “breakthrough cases” in the U.S.”

From public health HOFFMAN:
“The county health department does not necessarily track local “breakthrough cases” as explained by Dr. Hoffman, they are watching for hospitalizations among people who have been vaccinated. “I don’t have specific numbers for you. That’s not one of the things we’re tracking really closely as far as numbers.”

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
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Most breakthrough cases do not result in sever enough symptoms for the affected individuals to seek testing. Knowing this it seems of little value to attempt to record mild breakthrough cases in the unvaccinated.

“. . . the cycle threshold of 28 “is not used to define whether a specimen is positive or negative for COVID. It is only used for determining whether a specimen that tests positive could be submitted for SARS-CoV-2 sequencing. It is not specific to vaccine breakthrough cases.”

https://beyond.britannica.com/did-the-cdc-change-its-testing-parameters-for-pcr-tests-in-vaccinated-people-to-record-fewer-breakthrough-cases-of-covid-19

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/03/tweets/cdc-did-not-change-its-criteria-what-considered-br/

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
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“the cycle threshold of 28 “is not used to define whether a specimen is positive or negative”

It shouldn’t be hmmm. But…..it is. Or was. No one outside of Fla seems to know what the Ct being used actually is. And it IS everything.

Transparency and all.

cu2morrow
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cu2morrow
2 years ago
Reply to  Antichrist

how many of the patients in i c u beds have been vaccinated ?

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago
Reply to  Antichrist

Don’t expect the Vax pushers to actually answer your questions or have an actual discussion. They are busy being righteously outraged that not everyone wants the Vax. You can try to have a discussion but will be met with irrational and ignorant bigotry accompanied by childish insults.

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago
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The vaxx pushers are brainwashed. Pretty simple. except that it’s so much easier to brainwash them than it is to convince them they’ve been brainwashed” https://www.globalresearch.ca/scientist-what-were-seeing-virus-evolution-101-delta-variant-more-transmissible-not-more-deadly/5752025?pdf=5752025

Alf
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Alf
2 years ago

In spite of how right you are, remember that in the court system, criminals have more rights than victims. It’s no different in this health crisis. The irresponsible have rights, but the responsible don’t. In a civilized society, where people actually care about others your letter wouldn’t be necessary. We don’t live in a civilized society, but a society where wrong rules over right. Instead of working together to get through this, it has been made out to be a political issue instead of a public health issue.

Percy vs Goliath
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Percy vs Goliath
2 years ago
Reply to  Alf

Don’t hate the player, Alf.

“Hate the Game.”

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Alf

What right are you being denied? No one has a magical right to never encounter infectious disease and you don’t have a right to dictate the medical care that others receive.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago

👍

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago

Proof of vaccine will ultimately be required for travel, shopping and eventually, virtually all entry into public space.

You will be vaccinated. It will be impossible to function, if you haven’t.

Accept it. Get on with it!

Get your vaccine now. You will be glad you did.

Penny Pincer
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Penny Pincer
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

I don’t need to be vaccinated for a disease that has killed 0.2% of the US population. If you’re that scared, get your shots. Quit pushing it on the rest of us. The shots don’t stop the spread. I’ll take my chances with natural immunity. Your position sounds selfish and as if you’re trying to justify your own choices. I won’t validate your bias and I will resist all attacks on my sovereignty and bodily autonomy. 🖕

cu2morrow
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cu2morrow
2 years ago
Reply to  Penny Pincer

one of the variants will get ya sooner or later

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  cu2morrow

Not likely, this kind of hyperbolic doomporn look at this virus is just as silly as the people who say the vaccine will kill everyone who takes it

Penny Pincer
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Penny Pincer
2 years ago
Reply to  cu2morrow

Challenge accepted. Talk to you in a year (or I’ll cu2morrow😆). Let’s see who’s correct. I guarantee it’ll be me.

Penny Pincer
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Penny Pincer
2 years ago
Reply to  Penny Pincer

Still here.

nevertrustacop
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nevertrustacop
2 years ago
Reply to  Penny Pincer

same. i was around literal thousands of unmasked people over the course of 4 days. i thenwent to my sister who was “confirmed postive” at the time. gave her a hug and kiss on the cheek and hung out at her house. its now been a week. still waiting to die. unsurprisingly nothing has happened. lmao buncha bought and sold lemmings

nevertrustacop
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nevertrustacop
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

i do know how disease works. the same as it has since i was born. since you were born even. disease a
has always passed invisibly and has always mostly affected the vulnerable. not everyone sees a headline about the sky falling and shifts their whole reality to any “new normal” the glowing screens dictate.

if i were you i should just accept the new normal and not see my friends or family? never go out where people gather? get an experimental drug shot into me to make everyone feel better even though im not sick nor am likely AT ALL to get sick? yea thanks but no thanks. id rather die…but wait thats not how it works huh?

nevertrustacop
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nevertrustacop
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

if someone does all that and no one gets sick does that mean what you are advocating isnt sensible? or does it still mean youre right always?

Ms Jane Doe
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Ms Jane Doe
2 years ago
Reply to  Penny Pincer

So, you don’t get rabies vax for your dog, or polio vax for your kids? You did not get smallpox vax?
Oh, and you only care about your own “bodily autonomy”? Does that include refusal to being intubated? Or getting a blood transfusion?

Misguidedyouth
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Misguidedyouth
2 years ago
Reply to  Ms Jane Doe

Zero immunization . I’m 40

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Ms Jane Doe

Bodily autonomy means deciding what is done to your body, it dies not mean never receiving any medical care

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Penny Pincer

….according to pfizer. Honest company they are.

It’s very debatable, well….

“Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant Among Vaccinated Healthcare Workers, Vietnam.”

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733

The jabbed in this study carried 250% more viral load than unjabbed. And it got around.

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Penny Pincer

Here here penny pincer. You are spot on. Why don’t these folks focus on shaming all the big fat fattys out there costing the taxpayers billions of dollars a year in subsidized health care. Way more than the people who choose not to be vaccinated. How about we weigh you before entering a restaurant and if your morbidly obese or even overweight……….no entry for you.
If you folks want to be vaccinated , good for you, leave everyone else alone.
And FYI, 2 of my fully vaccinated friends have gotten sicker than shit while my unvaxed friends have made it through with a couple tired days and some taste / smell loss. Many of them with nothing at all except the transitory sensory loss. One of my best friends has been DX with capillary leak syndrome recently after 4 months of problems and subcutaneous bleeding . No one wants to talk about the problems. When I go t my shot even the health department nurse who said she had been in health care 30 years said she feels like there are going to be problems / complications that arise down the road. How’s that for a vote of confidence as your getting stuck?

So yes, I am vaccinated. But that is MY own choice . If I wasn’t in Humboldt with the terrible and limited medical care (and older) , I never would have done it either.

Hold firm to your ideals non-Vaxers. Lots of us vaccinated are with you in spirit , unlike the haters on here.

STFU WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF
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STFU WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

[edit] my wife almost died from the first shot sick as a dog and works in themed field 14 days sick worry about yourself and don’t push shot on people that you don’t know there medical history and don’t tell me this % or that % because it happens and you don’t know who to [edit]

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago

Did you or your wife or you alls health care provider report the event to the vaers system?

Rick
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Rick
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

You may come to realize there are a great many of us who do not need the corrupted false illusion of society you have created. We are quite capable of living in our own realm. We will continue to pursue personal and bodily freedom, separate from your slavery to the Bodily Corporate Slavery you have accepted. We are varied in our walk of life. We are Doctors, Nurses, Scientists, Firefighters, Police Officers, Soldiers, Earth Warriors, Hippies, Bikers, Teachers, Mechanics, Machinists, Farmers, Ranchers and on and on, and we will always choose freedom over your mandated slavery. Some of us may die trying, but to us, dying on our feet is preferred to living on our knees. So deal with it. Should you force your will on us…… There will be no vaccine that will help you.

Alberta
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Alberta
2 years ago
Reply to  Rick

Proud to know you American Patriot 🙂

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Alberta

Just take the shot. Brought to you by the same government that brought you Afghanapancakes. Because they care…

Biden 2024

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Trump was just another figurehead pawn stooge of the jNew World Order banking dynasty families like Obama, Biden, Woodrow Wilson, and all of “our” presidents in between for the past 100+ years

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr Rude Ozone

Come on, you know you want to name the “banking dynasties”. Don’t be shy.

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago

i wouldnt want to stray too far from the specific topic but its certainly all connected and i will gladly name the main ones for you ROTHSCHILD, LAZARD, KUHN-LOEB, GOLDMAN SACHS, ISRAEL MOSES SAIF, WARBURG, LEHMAN, and ROCKEFELLER. dean henderson wrote the best book on the subject titled “Big Oil and their Bankers in the Persian Gulf- 4 Horsemen, 8 Families, and their Global Network of Terror, Intelligence and Narcotics.” this book is a must read for the entire human race as it explains the gargantuan conspiracy that has been running the earth, into the ground, for centuries. this book names the names and details not just their control of oil and banking, nations and continents, but also how they make all the terror from scratch, set up and give the orders to all the intelligence agencies like cia, mossad, and mi6, and control the drug trade internationally on a grandiose scale. author dean henderson should really be well known in southern humboldt as he is a back to the land homesteader. he has in recent years been heavily censored. since i posted the trump meme its important for folks to realize that trump was basically an agent of rothschild from the day he took the place of an actual known cia agent within resorts international casinos which was owned by the likes of rothschild, tibor rosenbaum (israels hidden swiss banker who was closely connected to the jfk assassination through permindex,) and meyer lansky ‘the mobs jewish brain,’ who ultimately fled to israel to escape prosecution. believe it or not, resorts international was actually founded by the cia and mossad from a shell corporation for the purpose of laundering money. ALL OF THIS, and everything else i might tell you outside of my personal opinion, is EXTREMELY WELL DOCUMENTED if you care to look into it further for yourself which i highly recommend. when trump hit bankruptcy it was old wilbur ross, from a little firm called Rothschild Incorporated, who bailed him out, even remarking publicly that they saw his potential as a showman- they later used him in their SHOW GOVERNMENT. funny how wilbur later became ‘our’ US Secretary of Commerce under trump, but the mainstream jnewsmedia keeps that kind of thing off our radar. they put trump into their white house BECAUSE he so perfectly fulfilled their usual divide and conquer strategy and particularly because he represented abject moral failure, and every kind of economic, socio political failure, to convey their PSYOP message that the usa is no longer number 1. they needed to lower amerika to create more parity amongst their superpowers usa russia and china so that their more totalitarian global police state could fully arise. even just reading the reviews of dean hendersons book is very educational. due to massive censorship of his website you can no longer read the entire book free online. https://www.amazon.com/Big-Their-Bankers-Persian-Gulf/dp/1453757732

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr Rude Ozone

LOL.

The dude’s latest book is “Nephilim Crown 5G Apocalypse”.

And just like I thought, your one of those who think the Jews secretly control the world. But man up, stop with the cutsey lowercase “j”. Be up front with your antisemitism.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Whose administration and party is the one pushing it on people so hard?

If you think that I believe republicant’s are some savior you are severely misinformed.

I could, however, go for a mean tweet and $3.00 a gallon gas right now though.

FogDog
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FogDog
2 years ago
Reply to  Rick

Slavery? Common, get real, bud.

Now, if you were forced to get vaccinated at the point of a gun and then had to do unpaid labor and be held against your will, that would be slavery. Equating yourself to a victim of slavery or a survivor of a nazi concentration camp because you are making a personal health decision against medical advice is not the same thing .🙄

Misguidedyouth
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Misguidedyouth
2 years ago
Reply to  FogDog

Yea but don’t you think the line gets blurry and slippery when we start mandating health orders to the degree some people want? And then start limiting freedoms to enjoy life because of it?? Seems like a slippery slope to me

Antichrist
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Antichrist
2 years ago
Reply to  FogDog

So i have had severe reactions to vax in the past in icu 3 times and have long term side effects from them, so my freedoms need to be limited because others are scared i might get something they have gotten a shot to prevent ? Bullshit ,i am willing to bet that a large percentage of the signers of this thing are the same people that scream about how no one can tell them they dont have a right to taxpayer abortions as well……

Clear
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Clear
2 years ago
Reply to  Rick

Slavery? Stretch much… doesn’t sound like much of a life if that is your go to.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Rick

Right-on Rick. 🤙

Ms Jane Doe
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Ms Jane Doe
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

We will all be glad, eh?

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

“You will be vaccinated. It will be impossible to function, if you haven’t.”

When is the last time a medication was forced on you like that?
What do you think “they” will force on you next? There will be a next, you know, once that kind of power is achieved they won’t just give it up.
Do you have a red line They can’t cross??

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Yes. I won’t work in your hospital.

Country Bumpkin
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Country Bumpkin
2 years ago

A vaccine mandate would disproportionately affect people of color and is therefore a racist mandate and would continue to perpetuate a systemically racist society. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that anyone who signs this petition is racist, however they would be helping to institute a racist policy.

Alf
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Alf
2 years ago

Total BS. Anyone who wants to be vaccinated has had ample opportunity. There have been so many clinics where almost nobody showed up and thousands of vaccines weren’t used. And yes, this includes where people of color live as well as Native Americans. The idea that this letter is racist is what is racist, not the letter. The letter promotes what science has proven to be effective. Promoting racist thoughts doesn’t help anyone.

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago
Reply to  Alf

Get your shot if you want. Keep out of other people’s medical choices. People who want to mandate vaccines are tyrannical. Keep drinking your kool-aid, try pushing it on people and watch our society come unglued.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Local Farmer

I think it already is.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Alf

Science?

What is scientific about incentivizing vaccination by allowing those who get the shots to not be required to mask or test regularly? Nothing, it’s pure politics.

What is scientific about allowing masses of unvaccinated kids to gather indoors while pretending they use masks properly enough to eliminate transmission? Nothing, it’s pure politics to avoid pissing more parents off.

What is scientific about allowing people to travel all over, including over seas where the variants are reportedly coming from? Nothing, it’s pure politics.

What is scientific about allow people to eat at restaurants indoors without masks to slow the transmissions? Nothing, it’s pure politics.

What is scientific to the public appears to be really political.

AA
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AA
2 years ago

Thank you Country, well said.

STFU already!
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STFU already!
2 years ago

What a moronic and misinformed position.

That is one petition that should not be given further attention, and certainly should not be signed.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago

Let’s do the vax pass! I also want to mandate a healthy BMI for everyone since 78% of people hospitalized with Covid have been overweight. I’ll take the vaccine once everyone who is preaching take this jab is in the healthy weight category. Also mandate no more abortions, my body my choice is a proven farce at this point and an abortion is absolutely terminating a life. Didn’t want to get pregnant? Don’t have sex, that simple. Also its bs to discriminate against only one contagious disease. There needs to be a public health database where we can look up everybody’s health records. Every doctor’s visit and every medication taken since birth. Oh you take meds for bipolar disorder? Don’t want you in my store till your crazy ass shows me proof you’ve been taking your meds, otherwise i’m not taking a chance of you having some mental shit fit in my place of work. Oh your gay? Well show me the proof you don’t have aids, we all know the probability of having aids is much higher in the gay population, so show me your aids-free papers or get out! No way this could go wrong, right?

If we’re gonna do it, let’s fucking do it! No half measures! All the way or none at all, what could go wrong? What could anyone be afraid of?

Gloves are off on the BMI now, if you are overweight, you have no place preaching health. Assholes consuming far more resources than necessary, taking up unnecessary hospital beds for their heart disease, heart attacks, and diabetes. Driving up the cost of insurance premiums and medications, then have the gall to preach about health. Go take a look at your overly consuming self in the mirror, then go eat some carrots.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago

What sets Covid apart from any other disease? You afraid someone might dictate how you choose to live?

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Guest
2 years ago

You are exactly right in the point of People who are overweight and neglect there health have NO BUSINESS telling others how to manage their own. I bet 85% of folks that would sign something like this are unhealthy folks by their own doing. I think it would be a cool idea to have them notate their height and body weight next to the signature;lol.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago

The petty tyrants trying to usher in policies that destroy the individual freedoms this country was based on. If vaccines and masks work what are you so afraid of?

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Thank you very much. I would add that it’s not so much ‘afraid of’ as it is ‘retarted about.’ I would like to post about a hundred memes and a thousand articles, but like covid death, still not too many would get it. I did hear though that animals can get it, and one rat said to another “DID YOU GET VACCINATED?” The other rat said, “No way! They’re still testing it on humans.”

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr Rude Ozone

Phase 3 was completed in November 2020.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Bullshit. It’s not slated to be completed until January 2023.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Geez auntie that’s remarkably inaccurate. They made the data a lot less valuable by unblinding it and providing the treatment to the control group but the companies still acknowledge that the trial is ongoing

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago

“In a milestone for the battle against pandemic, the Food and Drug Administration granted full approval Monday to the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.

In order to be a candidate for an emergency authorization, a Phase 3 vaccine trial should have more than 3,000 participants, and at least half of them should be tracked for two months after receiving the final dose. (The two-month period represents the time in which any potential long-term effects are likely to be identified.) The three vaccines approved in the U.S. met these criteria. Phases 2 and 3 of the Pfizer trial had more than 40,000 participants. You can read the outcomes of those trials in Pfizer’s emergency authorization submission posted by the FDA.

For emergency use, a company can submit data from a clinical trial that is still in progress; for full approval, the clinical trials must be complete and the company has to include periodic safety reports and distribution records. A drug that has emergency use authorization can be used only while the public health emergency is still in effect. With full approval, the drug can be manufactured and distributed indefinitely.”

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-08-24/the-fda-granted-full-approval-for-the-pfizer-vaccine-what-does-that-mean

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

Chris
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Chris
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

😂
Looks like a certain formally-at-the-top petty tyrant is getting another dose of special healing remedy:
“Seven US Capitol Police officers are suing former President Donald Trump, Stop the Steal rally organizers and members of far-right extremist groups accusing them of spreading lies, using White supremacist sentiments to attempt to overthrow the 2020 election, and ultimately bearing responsibility for the riot that injured more than 140 officers on January 6.”
– Central News Network, today

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris

Good for them. Suing is the new American Dream.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago

How about concentra… I mean wellness camps for the unvaxxed? Australia is on to something.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1430823997911052288?s=19

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Testing ground.

It’s planned for here too. The anti anti-jabbers will be fearless soon enough.

“Shielding”. 🙄

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/global-covid-19/shielding-approach-humanitarian.html

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/protect-yourself-others/quarantine/hotel-quarantine

“In response to the global COVID-19 situation, anyone arriving in Queensland must quarantine if they have been:

overseas in the last 14 days (excluding travel on a quarantine free flight from a Queensland safe travel zone country)
in a COVID-19 hotspot in the last 14 days or since the hotspot was declared (whichever is shorter), and the place is a COVID-19 hotspot at the time they enter Queensland.
Mandatory quarantine is important to stop the spread of COVID-19.

You will need to stay in government arranged accommodation for 14 days unless you have received an exemption, which is rare.

People already in Queensland will be directed to quarantine if they have been in close contact with someone who has COVID-19. You may be directed to quarantine in government arranged accommodation if your home is not suitable.”

Yeah, it’s just like Jade Helm or something.

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago

In my opinion Australia is at the forefront of this covid totalitarian conspiracy today because the masters of propaganda psyops already had such an easy time taking away their gun rights after the ridiculous port arthur false flag intelligence agency massacre. Thanks for bringing this up. I would say that 99.99% of even the people who are opposed to this really have no idea of the details and how bad it is. People are starving for real information https://www.globalresearch.ca/australia-brink-total-fascism/5753863

Unjabbed Guest
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Unjabbed Guest
2 years ago

Hopefully your kids will get more out of school than you did.

Thirteenth Amendment

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude … shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. …

Fourteenth Amendment

…. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws ….

stuber
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stuber
2 years ago
Reply to  Unjabbed Guest

On this site, we can say things, on Facebook, you cannot. The CB radio is free, Facebook is oppressive. CB and Ham radio allows the expression of thought, Facebook tries to suppress it, like communist and socialist countries. Stay off Facebook, get those old CB radios out, and communicate freely. In the early 80’s around here, the hills were alive with the sound of CB chatter, so much fun. We are vaccinated, we wear masks.

Percy vs Goliath
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Percy vs Goliath
2 years ago

https://www.bitchute.com/video/XJ5X64ihNplk/

That will probably go over most people’s heads.

The implications are quite severe, in a manufactured and heavily manipulated game of hide and seek.

Well intentioned mistake
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Well intentioned mistake
2 years ago

I’m all in on getting vaccinated, but we need to look at the psychology of why people are not getting vaccinated. I’m not sure this kind of pressure will work. In your letter, the first thing you claim to have tried was “we cajoled them” the problems are the “we” and “them” and the cajoled part. Nobody likes getting talked down to. And the certitude of “period. End of story” is a turn off.
Truth is it’s a pain in the ass for a rural resident to get the vaccine. The mobile clinics out in the County beyond Humboldt Bay are helping. If you are working it’s tough. Early on at least, the scheduling was last minute, and hard to plan for.(it can take many County citizens 2hrs. of driving to get to a clinic)
People don’t like being told what to do, especially from somebody with smug certitude. People’s science understanding is minimal. People are inundated with bullshit information.
I’m imagining a large bull in the freeway. Go out there and yell at him and act tough. He’s at risk of getting hit by a truck. All he sees is you yelling.

Percy vs Goliath
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Percy vs Goliath
2 years ago

No liability, no Shot.

Pretty simple.

You might want to pay attention to the supply chain and the controlled demolition of the economy.

I’m pretty sure that when you start going hungry, you won’t worry about those who are saying no to an experimental shot.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago

This letter is a perfect example of how desperate people are for hope. Completely counter productive and frankly embarrassing, but this is freedom. Just like the protest at the hospital. Total circus atmosphere with people losing their minds. Dangerous times and I don’t mean pandemic dangerous.

onrust
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onrust
2 years ago

Life is hard, then you die. Some not soon enough.

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago

Yes let’s usher in a new age of apartheid. This is a great idea if we truly want to burn the constitution and rip our society in half. If your vaccine works why do you care if I don’t want it?

Alf
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Alf
2 years ago
Reply to  Local Farmer

Because my tax dollars have to pay for indigent people who get sick. If Medicaid, MediCal and any other governmental aid will quit paying for the medical care for COVID, than I’m all for your freedom of choice. Whenever tax dollars are in any way involved, it is my business and every other taxpayer who doesn’t want this waste. If the government wants to return 100% of my taxes for my entire life, then I will gladly admit your choice doesn’t matter. Until then, it does matter.

Chris
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Chris
2 years ago
Reply to  Local Farmer

Sorry, only a third at best are hardcore maga, the other 20% just a tad lost.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris

?? It really doesn’t have to be a political thing Chris. I would suggest it might be, maybe 50% (maybe) pro-jabbed but even within that group, there is a large percentage that supports “my body, my choice”.

Everyone I know who is jabbed does.

No need for a history-repeat. Then again, some don’t learn from it.

Local Farmer 👍

CancelLogic
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CancelLogic
2 years ago

Kittens and rainbows…

Scooter
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Scooter
2 years ago

Nah, outdoor public spaces are safe, vaxxed or not with proper distancing. Its the indoor spaces that are risky. There is an indoor mandate in place right now. This mandate petition is redundant. I am vaxxed and will always be vaxxed. I used to work in a hospital, I was vaxxed repeatedly then and I am healthier than most of y’all are now. Move on.

CancelLogic
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CancelLogic
2 years ago

You can only answer yes to one of these…

A: Hitler was evil?

B: un-vaxxed don’t belong in society?

Pepperwood
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Pepperwood
2 years ago

Great authoritarian idea, it’s just too bad the vaccine doesn’t work, that it doesn’t protect or prevent spread.

How about we boycott anyone or anything that supports a mandate? That seems much more in the US tradition.

Thankful For Freedom
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Thankful For Freedom
2 years ago

And then Mr. Marcus put all the frogs in the pot of cool water, turned the stove on very low, sat back and watched them slowly boil to death. The poor frogs didn’t feel it coming.

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago

I’m all for it if that’s what it takes to make you realize that the disease is still amongst the vaccinated. In fact someone just passed that was fully vaccinated yesterday. There’s that 3rd shot though maybe that will be good for another few months….What about those variants they said we’re not working as well for this particular vaccine? They say it doesn’t work for Lambda, then what a different shot for that? I understand your frustration but don’t blame it on the unvaccinated. I saw the vaccine create serious side effects in close friends. I’m sure if you saw what I saw you’d also have reservations.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Seniors, get your booster at CVS.com, register as “immunocompromized” third shot…

Available now, and we didn’t have to wait, filled out the form on our phones and they called us back immediately to get the vaccination.

Be safe, be well.

Misguidedyouth
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Misguidedyouth
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

But weed is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

How does the risk of vaccine side effects change after a third dose? A fourth?

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago

The vaccine makes your arm sore for a day or so, After the second one, I had a fever of 2 degrees on the second day. That’s it, except for a slight headache.

I will let you know about the 3rd one.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Oh, is anecdotal reporting how we collect scientific evidence now?

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago

Well, scientists such as yourself need data…

Today, achy, headache, sore arm, little fever.

Didn’t die, and my DNA wasn’t altered either…

You are very rude, for an aesthete…

Go work in a hospital for 6-7 years, and wake the fuck up…

Craig
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Craig
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

That’s the problem with many in the medical community, all too soon, their outlook on the world becomes jaded from seeing the bad side of society’s health, much like law enforcement and criminal activity.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Thats not data, that’s a single datum. Not especially useful.

I’ve got another datum for you. Just said goodbye to our roommate as she went of to work. Doing great, no lingering impacts since a 2 week recovery from symptomatic and pcr confirmed case last summer.

So I guess our study is complete, minor vaccine side effects but the disease has a 100% survival rate. Geez great work everyone.

AA
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AA
2 years ago

I haven’t heard of any studies completed on the third dose.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Older folks are getting it now, mucho data coming soon…

I have no intention of getting COVID, and you should have the sense to not get it either…

I have worked at Humboldt/Mendocino County Hospitals, and I know how bad they are…

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

@VMG
Why aren’t you up in arms about the obese clogging up the hospitals for the last 40 years? It is a way bigger public health crisis than covid.
Why do you demand adolescents and children take a vaccine that is way more dangerous to them than the virus is?
Real questions, no insults, please answer and have a discussion.

STFU already!
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STFU already!
2 years ago
Reply to  Local Farmer

Chances are good he’s part of that selfish XXL portion of our society.

The focus needs to be there. Because it’s the old lazy overeaters who spread the majority of the aerosols.

We observed that 18% of human subjects (35) accounted for 80% of the exhaled bioaerosol of the group (194), reflecting a superspreader distribution of bioaerosol analogous to a classical 20:80 superspreader of infection distribution

significant correlations were observed between exhaled aerosol, age, and BMI—and particularly BMI-years

We noted that half of the group (73 individuals) with lowest BMI-years (less than 650 BMI-years) exhaled significantly less aerosol than the half of the group (73 individuals) with highest BMI-years (above 650 BMI-years) (P < 0.015). The BMI-year results are shown in Fig. 2. We note that all volunteers of <26 y of age and all subjects under 22 BMI were low spreaders of exhaled bioaerosol.

What is interesting is that I remember Scotty q Marcus for his weightloss cheerleader column in the life and times. I do believe at one point he lost 80# or something. … If he wrote a letter about *that* it would be way more on target on how to address and manage Fauci's scourge.

onrust
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onrust
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Thanks.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
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Was that locally guest?

CancelLogic
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CancelLogic
2 years ago

The thought police have sided with the Nazi’s. It is 100% us vs. them.

I am convinced that everyone who looks down upon the “un-vaxxed” would’ve smiled as the trains rolled off towards Auschwitz. Pure evil!

BonnieBlue
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BonnieBlue
2 years ago
Reply to  CancelLogic

Logic has indeed been cancelled, as your analogy is baseless. It is actually also anti-Semitic, insulting, and offensive.

Anti-vaxxers need to be avoided like the Plague. Any restrictions placed on them are consequences of their own willful ignorance, poor choices, and self-indulgent behavior.

Everyone is struggling and suffering because of the virulent unvaxxed deniers in our midst.

CancelLogic
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CancelLogic
2 years ago
Reply to  BonnieBlue

Please explain your reasoning.

CancelLogic
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CancelLogic
2 years ago
Reply to  BonnieBlue

Do we need to wear arm bands to more easily be identified?

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  CancelLogic

Not a bad idea.
Don’t cry too hard.
Ever heard of Godwin’s Law???
Your outrage is a “ crack up” as Lone Ranger likes to say. The drama you bring is pretty entertaining.
Get the vaccination or not, why come here and pretend your in a soap opera?
I can only laugh so much, give me a break.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

If no one opposed to these ideas came here to voice their opposition then others may be lulled into believing there was unanimous approval of these deeply troubling suggestions

Craig
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Craig
2 years ago

All one has to do is check out the LoCo echo chamber, and with all of it’s high five upvotes, especially after all the dissenters have been kicked out or ridiculed into leaving.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  CancelLogic

The bandaid from the shot would suffice.

Also, you and everyone else invoking the Nazis in regards to the vaccine must have led very sheltered lives to think that the requirement to get a shot is equivalent to being loaded in cattle cars and sent to death, either in the gas chambers or by starvation, disease and over work as slave labor. Or those stripped naked, pushed in front of pits and gunned down.

It would be kind of sadly amusing, except it is an insidious kind of self-indulgence that is an insult to the millions who were murdered.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago

While I don’t agree with their use of the past, their point is more to the events leading up to the cattle cars. The social hysteria and unquenchable thirst for hope in Germany at the time.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Still so far off it should give them pause.

They aren’t diving deep into the socio-political aspects of the rise of the Nazis.

They are comparing themselves to the Jews of Europe who were singled out because they were simply Jewish. And millions of them died because of it.

Someone who doesn’t want to take the vaccine(s) is in no way even remotely resembling people being forced into cattle cars to their deaths. The appropriation of the yellow star is ridiculous and really self-indulgent. The anti-vaxxers are not martyrs.

Btw, Covid reared it’s ugly head in my family, again. My granddaughter’s unvaccinated boyfriend (which is another black mark against the little sh*t) came down with it, along with several of his buddies. While it was something of a minor inconvenience because we had to delay a family dinner with my visiting family, including my elderly mother (who thankfully is vaccinated, but still..you know, 82) until the immediate family of my granddaughter had taken Covid tests and cleared, it still could have been more serious. We were supposed to have the big dinner, which he was going to attend (I did not know he wasn’t vaccinated) the same day he came down with the symptoms. He lost his sense of taste and smell and is feeling like crap.

I hope he’s miserable.

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago

“I hope he’s miserable. ”
Yes, you are the side of reason and ethics. LOL

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago

Wow, your a peach! I hope you ban him from seeing your family, probably be doing him a big favor. Now that he’s had it though, he’s immune, so whether he is vaccinated or not shouldn’t matter now, right?

Meh
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Meh
2 years ago
Reply to  BonnieBlue

Funny I avoid the vaxxed as they seem to think it’s a free pass to do whatever despite the vaccine obviously not working to keep people from getting sick, from being superspreaders. The virus still carries the same viral load in the vaccinated. It can still have the ability to mutate and grow even stronger, making the vaccine even more useless.
Take a look at Iceland, how is the high percentage of vaccinated people working out there?
How about the vaxxed get tested for events like the unvaxxed have to?
Truth is society can’t make sacrifice & insisted on returning to “normal” too soon, knowing that this was all one giant experiment. Your experiment failed. Covid is still rampant. Fully vaccinated are still dying.

Farce
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2 years ago
Reply to  Meh

Fully agreed. The vaxxed are still irresponsibly running around piling on top of each other. Vaccination was improperly advertised as a cure-all and a pass to complete freedom. Those of us with half a brain knew that 2021 was going to be dicey. But the irresponsible promises made about the vaccine and the resultant irresponsible social behavior have made this a shitshow. I would not be surprised if now 2022 is going to also be a dicey year. Everybody -vaccinated or not-should have chilled hard on 2021. Instead they wanted to attack each other and run out and act like it was all over. Very very irresponsible behavior.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

2022 will not be any better. People are even more frustrated now. I don’t think we have reached the peak of those frustrations. Look to 2023 if everything goes well.

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago
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@farce
I agree, except that nobody is attacking the vaccinated and it is only a tiny group of extremist tyrants, who are completely ignorant about science and history, who are attacking the unvaccinated.

Auntie Ovine
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2 years ago
Reply to  Meh

So far, the fully vaxxed are dying at a much, much lower rate than the unvaxxed. How’s that working for you? Obviously fine for both until it isn’t.

As to Iceland, their total of 30 deaths since the pandemic started is pretty clear. And by far most of those deaths occurred prior to vaccination being available even though the prior spike in infections was lower. Of course they are still in the honeymoon period of vaccination where the efficacy hasn’t waned at all. But altogether it holds that vaccines are the best thing beside total isolation to prevent death.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

But…. they are still dying. Either the vaccine works or it doesn’t. If you can catch the disease, spread the disease, get sick from the disease, end up in the hospital, and still die from it, all after full vaccination, then guess what? The vaccine isn’t a vaccine. It doesn’t work, or at least not the way it was intended to.

Wonder what else it’s doing that it wasn’t intended to?

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  CancelLogic

Pretty much Cancellogic.

Bonnie, I think I heard that exact hissy on npr the other eve. 🤠

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  CancelLogic

Cancel logic, those that look down on the unvaccinated have a commonality with those that find genocide/eugenics favorable, the author is at about stage 6, preparation.

8 Disturbing Stages of Genocide: 1. Classification, 2. Symbolization, 3. Dehumanization, 4. Organization, 5. Polarization, 6. Preparation, 7. Extermination, 8. Denial

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago

Anti vaxxers are oblivious to reason. They truly are more afraid of a vaccine where they have to group think rare side effects to discredit it and simultaneously discredit medical personnel who tell them a wide spread disease is dangerous. Look at the postings here. For them vaccine advocates are equated to Hitler and horse wormer is the magic solution to a disease they don’t really think is serious (I can hear their chorus of “for most people” as I write.) You really think that a law will make those already deep into conspiracy theories more rational?

Leaving principle, law courts and ethics aside, how is it going to be enforced? Are the police- who it would not surprise me have their own contingent of anti vaxxers- going to be called to McDonald’s several times a day to eject someone who has no vaccination card? Are they going to be the grocery store to arrest a stubborn old woman who refuses to cooperate? Are they going to card people walking on the street? Do you think that there is not already a hundred hijacked vacc cards already in use? It’s not like smoking where they are immediately identifiable. Are you going to take them to trial or do away with trials if they don’t cooperate?

There is no solution for anti vaxxers just as there is no solution a lot of destructive behaviors. The best that can be done is apply social pressure and do what you can to protect yourself. Sadly that is all. We have long since created a world where civility is considered servility and a tee shirt with a generic assault on others is considered fashion. Too late to change it now inntime to deal with a disease.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Scott’s letter isn’t about social pressure. It’s a path to a draconian nightmare. Things can always get worse and that seems to be the general direction right now.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

It’s exactly social pressure. It threatens a draconian future, not implements it. Which anyone without hyper-conspiracy-itis knows is not the same thing.

Good for him although I would never support it in reality.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

You must live life one step at a time with your head down. Can’t see the current trends which lead to the future? His attitude is one that will cheer on the draconian future. And by draconian I don’t mean covid lockdown of 2020. I mean the next level, found on some off shore lands that I never thought I would end up living in.

Perhaps the only solution is to just do as you say under increasing threats. Yes you and Scott are well intentioned and that is frankly a terrible path.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Always amazing how some refuse to see the road signs…

Did this happen before? Was there a trial run? “How could it possibly have happened?” We still ask our[collective]selves.

Here we are. 🍺

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Formerly 4T

Why? Because conspiracy theorists would see signs of malfeasance in a snail crossing a sidewalk. In fact their actions are self fulfilling prophecies.

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Ok so if you understand that history repeats itself you are labeled by the people ignorant of history as a conspiracy theorist. How much do you weigh auntie?

Eyeball Kid
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Eyeball Kid
2 years ago

Scott Q Marcus is dangerous. All this we and they business. His self-righteousness is disturbing on many levels.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  Eyeball Kid

He’s no different than a lot of the anti vax people that post here, just the other side of the coin…

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Scott’s message is very dangerous and poses a larger threat than the unvaccinated. However I still supports right to say this just like I support the protesters at the hospital. I don’t agree with either, but that isn’t emotional enough I suppose.

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago
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Thank you for pointing out the obvious fact that there is a huge difference between the tyrants trying to take away our freedom and the people who will champion freedom to the end. I don’t expect the people with their heads up faucis ass to understand.

Eyeball Kid
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Eyeball Kid
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Re, “He’s no different than a lot of the anti vax people that post here, just the other side of the coin” …

Actually there is a major difference between him and “the anti vax people”. Scott Q Marcus wants everyone to do as he wishes. Anti vax people say stop mandating what I must do. Anti vax people (as you call them) basically say you can do as you please as far as getting vaccinated or not. And they would expect the same consideration from you.

By the way, I am vaccinated, but I am strongly opposed to the overly-officious Scott Q Marcus types.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Eyeball Kid

I wish to reduce exposure to infection. How can anti vaxxers help with that reasonable goal? Because they are also mostly anti-mask, anti quarantine and anti testing, they won’t. Oh they say they’d do it if unquestioned science told them it was effective but then that never seems to happen. They always have questions, reasonable or not. Everything comes down to the same thing- they want what they want and can’t stand anyone else’s science telling them otherwise. And anyone trying to offer it is called a Nazi. Hmm… I wonder where they learned that technique…

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Over generalization and attempted shamming: “ they are also mostly anti-mask, anti quarantine and anti testing, they won’t. ”

Not very convincing if you want to change a persons view. Maybe you’ve had enough like the writer and go with emotions not logic.

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Bigots aren’t part of the solution. They are simply tools of division.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Well you can reduce your chances of infection by avoiding crowds, wearing a respirator, making lifestyle choices that fortify your immune system, wash your hands, and limit your socializations to those people who you feel are also taking adequate steps to mitigate their risk of infection.

What you can’t do is dictate other people’s medical interventions. I’m sorry that that is a source of fear and consternation for you

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago

In other words anti vaxxers are unwilling to do anything useful at all.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

That is your mantra, and you will not be swayed from it. You are free to believe whatever you wish. When you decide that you can mandate what other people do to, or have done to, their bodies you have crossed out of the realm of your personal rights.

no one can respond to you about “anti vaxxers” because you won’t even define who that group is. From your comments it appears to be anyone who does not agree with you, 100%, about how this particular health crisis should be treated.

Lots of people, people who are unwilling at this time to accept these injections, have done lots of things to contribute – in ways they believed and were told would help – to reducing the spread of this particular virus. I am sorry that it hasn’t been sufficient to bring you personal comfort. Perhaps it is time for you to take more personal responsibility for your comfort and health

Percy vs Goliath
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Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago

Dude nice comment!

Antichrist
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Antichrist
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

If you want to reduce your exposure rate buy a bubble and move into it. It really is that simple remember the 70’s

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

The vaccines don’t work

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Eyeball Kid

Exactly Eyeball Kid.

The bottom line: what we are ultimately talking about is freedom. What this country touts itself as having.

Or the disapperance of it. Forever?

It’s the root. Organic…

Hell of a razor’s edge we are tip-toeing on.

Eyeball Kid
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Eyeball Kid
2 years ago
Reply to  Formerly 4T

Glad you’re around, 4T. I enjoy your commentary.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

What? Live and let live? Mind your own business? And I don’t care what you do so quit caring what I do?

Sounds oh so very tyrannical

Clear
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Clear
2 years ago
Reply to  Eyeball Kid

I know Scott, he is not the delusional one on this topic. Free choice until you f up my life. Which you unabashed nonsense spreaders are sadly accomplishing, on a very small, limited basis. But your spew continues.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Clear

Ok that was rational and not delusional. Haha.

You and Scott definitely sound like you agree with each other. You might be dangerous too.

Local Farmer
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Local Farmer
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

@clear
Your tyrannical ideas are way more of a threat to me than my refusal to take the ineffective and dangerous vaccine is to you. The vaccine is much more dangerous to our youth than the virus is. It is beyond selfish for the boomers to demand our youth take this vaccine!

Eyeball Kid
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Eyeball Kid
2 years ago
Reply to  Clear

Hi Clear… what you write plays both ways.

Each group feels pretty much the same way… “Free choice until you f up my life. Which you unabashed nonsense spreaders are sadly accomplishing, on a very small, limited basis. But your spew continues.”

Clearly, Clear, we can’t all be satisfied. There is no way that I can see to resolve the differences. The best we can do, I would venture to guess, is respect. But that is in limited supply.

For sure
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For sure
2 years ago

Scott is a mature responsible compassionate person. He cares about the world wide plague that is happening now.
How can anti- vaxxers NOT listen to Drs & Nurses who are overworking themselves as the ERs & ICUs fill up, almost entirely, with the UNVAXXED? Most of the folks in ICU say they wish they wld have gotten the vaccine.
It’s obvious that ppl will continue to not get vaxxed, even though D Trump got vaxxed & is telling his followers to get the jab.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  For sure

Fortunately for me I was able to shake the public education of my youth and develop a level of critical thought. I might be inclined to do as you say I should, or as you say the medical pros say I should, if science was actually being used.

The reality is politics is driving the pandemic response. That’s how you end up with a state lottery for vaccinations and the overtly unscientific policy of allowing vaccinated persons to skip the mask and regular testing.

I don’t know Scott but his letter reads like a authoritarian’s dream. Not mature at all. He sounds like an adult throwing a tantrum.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Got anything that can be offered as a help to prevent spreading infection that you won’t call politics? Frankly when everything is a rebellion to politics, critical thought is no more in evidence than it is when someone is obedient to it.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

I am calling the changes in policy that aren’t scientific as politics. For example: telling persons vaccinated it is allowable to skip masks, social distance, and regular testing.

This was done to incentivize getting a vaccination. Which is politics and I think it was a total mistake and decidedly NOT scientific.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

So no one is saying that now when it turned out to be wrong. Got anything else? To actually limit the spread rather than the politics?

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Politics is what is leading to the spread. How about we use science and common sense.

Why is there air travel, open schools, and indoor dining? I don’t think it’s because of anything scientific.

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

That’s good Hayforker. 👍

cu2morrow
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cu2morrow
2 years ago

I’ve been infected and glad to still be here. My coworker(s) not having the same luck.

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago

I’m going to shoot this letter writer down after reading their first alarmist and incorrect paragraph. I just spent a few days in New Jersey and New York City. Hardly anybody is wearing a mask over there. I’m in the airports and on the flights there was zero social distancing. So I’m going to go out on a limb and say that this is NOT the huge public health crisis that needs severe and authoritarian measures. If it was then I would not have seen what I just saw. I encourage everybody to expand their view. And stop demanding what other people do. You can only control your own personal environment and your circle of people. With open borders and free travel between places… All you are doing is beating up on your own neighbors for minimal effect… And no I am not an anti-vaxxer and I kept my N95 mask on and kept social distancing as much as possible… To protect MY personal exposure.

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Thank you very much. The power of propaganda has practically transported us all the way back to Salem Massachusetts for a trial

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Bravo!

This is turning into an emotional crisis if anything.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Getting hit head on by a wrong way driver is emotional. Doesn’t mean there is no wrong way driver.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Did you read the letter to the editor? Writer was definitely emotional and not rational.

You and the writer have failed to persuade the fence sitters. The open hostility and harassment of anyone not doing what you say only drives them further from your position. You might want to not over play your hand if your opponent is already flailing.

I know these discussions are a matter of life and death right? Please tell me that’s an overly emotional view.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

You missed the point completely. The crisis is real. Hopefully short lived but still real. And the emotional state of the letter writer doesn’t change that. And you have no clue what fence sitters are doing. Hopefully getting vaccinated though.

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

“The crisis is real”- yes, real political, and it’s called Totalitarianism. The pandemic thus far is a psyop. And until people wake up about who is behind this and what the reality of the sickness is, it will be anything but short lived. They might choose to wake us up with their CBDC and other plans and let the virus distraction die, or they might intensify the “variant” and a lot more people might really start dying, but letting THEM stick their needles into us doesn’t seem like a real good idea. https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/amp/

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

And yet you gladly take that risk everyday, and risk other people’s lives as well, after all, it only takes a momentary lapse of attention for you to ruin someone else’s life when it comes to driving. And everyone knows that nobody can pay 100% attention 100% of the time. Yet you drive anyway, knowing all those risks to yourself and that you pose to everybody else, yet getting from point A to point B is more important than all the lives you could potentially impact if your attention lapses for but a moment.

Why are you ok with risking so many peoples’ lives to drive yet have an issue with people not taking a vaccine?

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Farce

I actually agree with most of this. Except that “crisis” thinking happens when crises are going on. Which leads to more cooperation which leads to the crisis abating. Here we are having a spike in disease that is higher than any we had previously. In other places, they mostly have not had infections and deaths at their former levels. So less crisis thinking. Yes, you might very well see less emotion but that doesn’t mean much locally.

If and when the deaths spike where you travel, the masks will come out again. Too late to stop the current wave but would tamp it down. People are divided into the vaccinated who think themselves as immune from serious consequences and unvaccinated who always thought themselves immune. Maybe they are right or maybe they are wrong. Who knows.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Such a black and white world: “ People are divided into the vaccinated who think themselves as immune from serious consequences and unvaccinated who always thought themselves immune. ”

There’s way more to this, but I get it. It’s way easier to try and convince people to change with fewer words and more simple language.

That’s right it’s good vs evil. You’re either with us or your with the anti-vaxxers! Haha you’re hilarious.

For sure
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For sure
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

No mention that ALMOST 100% of ICU & ER & THE HOSPITALIZED ARE THE UNVAXXED! (Not to even bring up the dead. )That’s the truth & yet antivaxxers won’t acknowledge this most basic fact.
Drs & Nurses have to bear the consequences of your personal “freedoms”. And, even be subject to contracting the virus themselves, even tho vaxxed, all so your Freedom is upheld.
Can you, will you, just try to put yourself in their position, just for a moment, and see it from their perspective ? Or is that too much to ask?

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  For sure

I’d probably change careers if I was them. It’s a great time to do so. Best I’ve ever seen.

Unless this is such a crisis they are mandated to work in the hospital. That would be different.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Steven

Ha! Only in places that are 80% vaccinated. So 20% of the people are 50% of the problem. That sounds about up to anti vaxxer speed.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

does that mean that the vaccine is 75% effective at preventing hospitalization?

Joe
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Joe
2 years ago
Reply to  For sure

That’s their job. For sure

Ms Jane Doe
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Ms Jane Doe
2 years ago

I am vaccinated. I have been pretty isolated since March 2020. I wear a mask when I enter any building other than my home. I do see a few friends on occasion but they are careful & vaccinated too.
I will continue to do these things for as long as it takes. I don’t want to get sick and I don’t want anyone else to get sick because I wasn’t careful.
I am saddened to see all the anger and ignorance and sickness and death, much of which could have been avoided.

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago

Go to globalresearch .ca from Canada and read a few articles to balance out all the government industry propaganda we have been deluged with. The covid plandemic is about TOTALITARIANISM, coming central bank digital currency, the global coalition for digital safety (goodbye free speech,) and the whole agenda of the .000001% super rich banking dynasty families in general, which includes depopulation. When the government tells me that there is no virus, and bodies are piling up in the streets, thats when I might start thinking about getting some medical advice from Bill Gates and klaus schwab. But I’d think twice even then. Complete reversal of the truth is the jNew World Order of the day. https://www.globalresearch.ca/ultra-vaxxed-israel-sees-huge-surge-covid-experts-avoid-only-logical-conclusion/5754069

Chris
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Chris
2 years ago

Dear Dr. Schlock,
When will the deniers wake up?
– Karl, in Kansas By The Sea

Dear Karl,
At this late stage, Karl, the holdouts are doomed to sleepwalk fereva (or until they need passporta to buy gas … hey, now there’s an idea).
– Dr. S Chlock

Rattie Norcal
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Rattie Norcal
2 years ago
Reply to  Chris

How about proof of vaccination to register a car or renew a drivers license?

Rattie Norcal
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Rattie Norcal
2 years ago

It’s time to put the hammer down, and let the “free-dum” lovers practice their free-dum at home as they recover from Covid, not hogging a badly needed ICU bed.

Silver linings
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Silver linings
2 years ago

Welp… the dismal comment section disappoints , as usual. Of course, we now know exactly who will be sickest soonest and who may need to be blow darted with the vaccine so the rest of us can live without risk of encountering the ignorant masses. I also believe unvaccinated should pay more and receive non prioritized hospital care. Your freedoms end when they encroach on my freedom to BE ALIVE.
Also, side note: the grammatical and spelling errors of the obvious foreign trolls unmask( ironically) the unmasked, selfish masses who then expound their ignorance through internet osmosis. The imbeciles protesting in front of the same hospital they expect care from have all been exposed facially and by name, as are the ignorant fools on this site. At least we know who they are, and much like the Eureka cult members , we can now shun , excommunicate, and publicly excoriate them. I’ve personally tested negative for empathy towards them and am trusting science- Darwin’s theory’s- to help the intellectual among us survive and thrive.
Silver Linings….

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago
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Dr’s orders:

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2 years ago
Reply to  Silver linings

Kym,

“…blow darted with the vaccine…”?

Ziss is Wunderbar?

Silver Linings
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Silver Linings
2 years ago

Also: GROW UP! Life isn’t fair. Gtf over it before you catch the rona..
You bunch of selfish, whiny, entitled, ‘ mericans. I don’t care about your fragile fee fees. The life you save may be your own😷🤔

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Silver Linings

Yep, grow up. Life’s not fair. Sometimes people get sick. Sometimes they die. In free countries we don’t allow anyone to demand that others receive medical interventions against their will to satisfy the concerns of some

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
2 years ago

COVID IS PEOPLE!

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Fndrbndr

It’s heading that way ain’t it?

The scoops are coming!

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Fndrbndr

Fndrbndr, TRUTH!

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago

Kym is partial to deleting comments she doesn’t like, for the good of all, just like the vaccines right? so I’ll just try to post a more kosher version of my opinion that fits in better with the government industry explanation. It’s unfortunate that people don’t get exposed to the real information. Only the npr version is acceptable for the so called progressives https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr Rude Ozone

The article hints at the solution if you believe very high vaccination levels will solve the pandemic. Kids under 12 need to be vaccinated also.

Of course I’m being told that closing schools is not a solution.

What is the solution when the people (kids in this case) with the worst hygiene and low vaccination rates are allowed to gather indoors in groups?

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Dr Rude Ozone

Thanks Dr. Rude. 78% of those eligible are vaccinated in Israel and they still have a surge.

Ash
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Ash
2 years ago

The Gates foundation funds the CDC, the WHO, and is invested in big pharma producing the covid jabs. Anybody who doesn’t see the conflict of interest needs to put on their thinking cap.

For sure
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For sure
2 years ago
Reply to  Ash

None of this changes the fact that almost all hospitalizations are THE UNVAXXED. THAts the only real bottom line. The vaccines say they will greatly reduce the severity of the illness, and in nearly every case, not require hospitalization. Before the vaccine, it seemed hopeless!

Formerly 4T
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Formerly 4T
2 years ago
Reply to  For sure

Said Foundation also owns the news site you received your “information” from.

Exactly Ash. They also are partnering in the creation of a new test. Lateral flow?

Wonder how accurate it will be? 😆

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  Ash

Dude….I gave you a tiny bit of doubt in your other comment about “banking dynasties”, but I think you’ve made it clear what you are getting at. It’s really disgusting.

Steven
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Steven
2 years ago

[edit]

Lets be clear about the facts…
Vaccine or no vaccine… “Everyone” is a spreader… vaccinated are at no “extra risk” because of someone who is unvaccinated.. so stop saying it helps others. it doesnt…

Heres another thought for you…
Some high quality studies show that the reinfection in the 6 months after natural infection is much less than what occured in vaccinated people…

Natural infection = Stronger, longer lasting immunity

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Steven

Agreed Steven. Those making a “ law to force people out of public places unless they get injected… should try to enforce that… by themselves…”

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Steven

All you have to do to get it is survive the disease, recover from the damage and keep getting sick as a natural booster. Sounds like an anti vaxxer’s solutions for sure.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Or get injected by a pharmaceutical with unknown long term efficacy and biological impacts.
My immune system has been honed over 1000’s of generations. I’m gonna give it a go, or die trying.

https://unherd.com/thepost/bombshell-study-finds-natural-immunity-superior-to-vaccination/

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A major study conducted by Israeli researchers into natural immunity has found that immunity acquired via infection from Covid-19 is superior to immunity from the Pfizer vaccine.

Researchers at Maccabi Healthcare and Tel Aviv University compared the outcomes of over 76,000 Israelis in three groups: the doubly vaccinated (with the Pfizer vaccine), the previously infected but unvaccinated, and the previously infected with only a single vaccine dose.

Hayforker
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Hayforker
2 years ago
Reply to  Steven

Please avoid using logic. People have been lied to and this is now an emotional only comment section.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Exactly Hayforker. They have been lied to, the reaction is this emotion only display. What’s worse is that no matter how many times they are lied to they still buy the lies.

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2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Ok then hayforker. Unfortunately I totally agree with you. Hahaha. In a brainwashed society people can’t really have opinions. The worst cases are the so called educated who think that brainwashing is for dumb people. They just can’t imagine that anything they didn’t hear gnome chumpski say about 911 on democracy too late with army Goodman could possibly be true… the whole concept of “the” truth has now been socially engineered by the banking dynasty families and their minions to be merely his or her truth which can be “validly” refuted by somebody else’s so called truth. This destruction of the concept of truth has been arranged, and our society incredibly dumbed down, primarily so the banker Ruler masterminds can better hide their identities and their false flag psyop machinations, Covid being one of them. Again I suggest people try www. globalresearch. ca from Canada for the best real news and their massive archive of stories on every political subject and region, but I know full well it’s kinda hopeless because our freedom of speech is like nothing compared to their FREEDOM OF BRAINWASHING, and so, I declare a meme war https://www.globalresearch.ca/believing-fda-pfizer-approval-getting-vaxxed-stupid/5754120

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Steven

If ever we wondered who would’ve complied during the rise of Hitler in 1930’s Germany, now we know. Seig heil comrades!

AA
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AA
2 years ago

So would the author of the letter bar children under 12 from public places?

Children under 12 can’t get vaccinated.

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Anybody who signs that petition is guilty of child abuse and should be ashamed of themselves.

AA
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2 years ago

If the author and those that would sign that would agree to pay for any and all reparations due to any serious side effects caused by the vaccines, over the next 70 years, it might be an ok idea.

The side effects of the Pfizer vaccine are myocarditis, pericarditis, blood clots, and possibly death.

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Percy vs Goliath
2 years ago

Unhealthy is UNHEALTHY.

Check yourself before you support a system that has been systematically undermining our well being for generations.

No Quick Fixes here.

Choose wisely.

Our government is not our friend.

“You are as only good as your record”

You Have to Be completely disconnected from reality , and history, to make the assumption that what we see on the world stage isn’t “Cloward and Piven”, aka problem, reaction, solution.

I see how unhealthy many people are, because industry has more to gain by you consuming crap, your whole life, and unable to mount a respectable defense.

“It’s the immune system, dummy”

AA
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AA
2 years ago

Why are the commenters that want the vaccine mandated always angry?

Hayforker
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2 years ago
Reply to  AA

They have been lied to. It’s easier to blame someone else.

Fool me once (March 2020) shame on you. Fool me Twice (Aug 2021) shame on me.

Well almost. I ain’t buy the half ass measures this time.

We either get serious or stop pretending. Sacrifices will be enormous, but I think the public doesn’t have it in them.

Hoping I’m wrong.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Hayforker

Makes sense Hayforker.

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago
Reply to  AA

They only have information from the pro vaxx side, but they know at least subconsciously that something’s not right, and their fear is making them crazy. But it’s no excuse. The simplest thing they can do is go to global research .ca and start reading some articles that aren’t written by the brainwashers https://www.globalresearch.ca/bombshell-uk-data-destroys-entire-premise-vaccine-push/5754173?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

AA
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AA
2 years ago

“we need to change our tactics and target those who won’t do the right thing by, this time, making them sacrifice,” is a frightening quote from the letter.

The author wants to target the unjabbed

and make them sacrifice.

It sounds like the author feels that they sacrificed by getting the vaxx,
and that that same sacrifice should be met by all,

not because the vaxx is good, but because they sacrificed.

Dr Rude ozone
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2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Jesus died of covid for your sins

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2 years ago
Reply to  Dr Rude ozone

He got jabbed.

Craig
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Craig
2 years ago

With roughly forty eight percent of Humboldt county not vaccinated, I can imagine what would happen if proof of covid vaccination was mandated to enter public places in Humboldt, and having throngs of individuals running out and getting jabbed is not one of them,

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Alice Kimtu
2 years ago

I’ll just leave this here.

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago
Reply to  Alice Kimtu

That’s actually a great pro vaxx meme thanks. I completely understand the pro vax side. Unfortunately I think the big problem with the divisiveness is that a lot of people can’t fully grasp the complexity of the anti vax side. I’m anti vax because I’m not real worried about a “pandemic” with a 98+% survival rate, and I believe A. It’s a jNew World Order totalitarianism distraction to keep us busy while they go forward with their Great Reset which includes CBDC (central bank digital currencies) for complete control of our lives and other heinous conspiracies such as their Global Coalition for Digital Safety to “remove harmful content AND OPINION from the internet,” and B. Depopulation is one of their long stated goals and biowarfare virus engineering is not a myth so OF COURSE I’m well aware that covid could kill me or several billion of my fellows or more… My grandma’s sister got brain damage from a high fever in the 1918 actual pandemic. Thus far, I believe the evidence is overwhelming that we have no health crisis. I remember well the day when humboldt County had its first “covid” fatality… The vaxx believers breathed a huge sigh of relief- the virus was actually killing people… God rest her soul, BUT SHE WAS 97 YEARS OLD FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!! oi veh logic does not apply to people who are fear crazed by propaganda. This means you. But of course this could just be the softening up period where they are prepping people mentally to accept a massive die off of humanity when they eventually unleash the deadlier “variants” and very importantly, they are making sure that any blame for this plague will fall on us, your fellow men, rather than the .000001% super rich banking dynasty families who run the world and control our pro vax thoughts. Good luck tho, and again, good meme. Here’s an excellent video that came out very early on and should be well known to any student of the covid crisis https://tokentube.net/v/1083433153/EX-RUSSIAN-INTEL-OFFICER—Depopulation-agenda-is-real

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2 years ago
Reply to  Dr Rude Ozone

” jNew World Order”

This is the second time you’ve used the lowercase j in front of New World Order.

What does the “j” mean?

commenter
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2 years ago

the “j” probably means Jewish, knowing Ozone’s obsession with same.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
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I agree, I just want them to admit it.

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago

It’s like a primitive taboo thing, but socially engineered by the bankfolk at the top. I try not be be too overly bothersome to people’s cognitive dissonance but if forced to defend my views and elaborate I certainly will. Maybe someone might learn something new. Well over 50 years ago professor Carroll quigley wrote tragedy and hope detailing the jNew World Order and how they run this planet. Too bad more people didn’t read it! Kinda funny how he was Bill Clinton’s Georgetown mentor, before Bill got recruited for public speaking as a rothschild/Rhodes scholar, like the way zbignieuw brzyzinski was Obombers “college advisor”- zbig wrote the other classical geopolitical work titled THE GRAND CHESSBOARD which he ironically dedicated to his students. From Cecil Rhodes and JP Morgan/George Peabody on down there are countless frontmen and institutions to distract us from the bankers behind the scenes but the bottom line is this: if they get to repeat the words ‘muslims did 911’ billions of times in every language as a mere statement of fact that the 19 alleged Arab hijackers were of the Muslim persuation, then I am more than happy to say the words “JEWS DID 911 and had the hutzpah to blame it on ‘the’ muslims.” obviously this does not imply that every Jewish person on earth is involved in this. And where exactly is the racism??? Is it in the brainwashed hurt feelings and sensitive toes of my fellow jews, or is it in the actual bombs we have dropped all across the Muslim world over this gargantuan overwhelmingly Jewish lie… People can’t feign ignerince and keep trying to hide behind Mohammed attas tiny passport in the rubble forever. I’ll be glad to keep posting more and more links as long as anybody wants to call me an antisemite. It’s all intimately tied to covid totalitarianism – people on the fence about covid who have some clue that 911 was also a GARGANTUAN lie had better watch this movie while they still can: https://archive.org/details/911-missing-links-full-length

oofa
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oofa
2 years ago

This is your tolerant left, the coexist Bernie voting bunch.
They aren’t peacefully protesting nor do they want to coexist.
It’s their way or you have to go to a concentration camp.
🖕all of them! They are national Socialist aka NAZI scum

We have medical freedom in this country. Your mandates are useless as they are not Law.

The only Law in this country that matters is the Supreme Law of the Land. Google it!

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago
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There oughtta be a law… Don’t worry I’m on your side regarding this covid totalitarianism being ridiculous but don’t underestimate the power of brainwashing. I’ve actually read thousands of articles on this subject, and like most things that our coup state banking dynasty family “government” doesn’t want us to know about, few are aware that there is actually a law coming hard and fast. The archives on this website has a very long list of articles on the progression of this law. It’s kinda funny to me how it used to be that only the right wing was retarted but now all my old lefty activist friends have big gulped uncle Sam’s kool aid https://www.globalresearch.ca/bill-introduced-congress-ban-tens-millions-unvaccinated-americans-flying/5753128

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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  oofa

If you ever wondered who would’ve complied during the rise of Hitler in 1930’s Germany, now you know. It’s been a great social experiment, now y’all have outted yourselves. Let’s flip the script on history and round them up and put them in camps first, we all know where this leads.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago

I want to cancel a culture, but they are doing it themselves first by accepting that Covid is more safe than a vaccine.

Bye, wont miss you.

And hurry up. I have stuff to do

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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

1. That’s a disgusting sentiment. The increasing number of adamant vaccine advocates openly hoping for the death of everyone who doesn’t comply with their beliefs is troubling. Please seek help before you lose control and harm someone or yourself.

2. Even in a worst case scenario, taking the case fatality rate as the true risk, the 40-50% of adults who aren’t vaccinated will survive at a rate of 98%+ (probably more really since vaccination is weighted heavily in the direction of advanced age and younger people fair better statistically).

So even if your sick fantasy came to pass according to the exaggerated stats that drive your emotional response you will still be stuck on this planet with 98% of these people you despise.

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

My opinions are relatively insignificant compared to the INFORMATION upon which one might base an opinion. See article below globalresearch.ca/questioning-vaccine-mandates-thoughtcrime-divided-america-covid-19/5753665

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago

Regardless of FOX, OANN and others….

Diversity, autonomy and counter cultures can exist without idiocy.

Don’t mix them up.

It becomes obvious.

Hum local
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Hum local
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Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago
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JYT article on rothschild’s france below. I guess it’s confusing to some because France kinda sounds like Finance and their “president” macrone was well known to be a rothschild banker as opposed to say “our” president Trump being a covert rothschild agent through rothschild resorts international casinos. I would suggest everyone watch the short video HITLER VS ROTHSCHILD to understand all this better. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/world/europe/france-covid-vaccine-coercion.html

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago

There oughtta be a law… Don’t worry I’m on your side regarding this covid totalitarianism being ridiculous but don’t underestimate the power of brainwashing. I’ve actually read thousands of articles on this subject, and like most things that our coup state banking dynasty family “government” doesn’t want us to know about, few are aware that there is actually a law coming hard and fast. The archives on this website has a very long list of articles on the progression of this law. It’s kinda funny to me how it used to be that only the right wing was retarted but now all my old lefty activist friends have big gulped uncle Sam’s kool aid https://www.globalresearch.ca/bill-introduced-congress-ban-tens-millions-unvaccinated-americans-flying/5753128

Angela Robinson
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2 years ago
Reply to  Dr Rude Ozone

“Infrequent outbreaks and wariness of inoculation made his troops very susceptible to the disease,” according to the library. “After heavy losses in Boston and Quebec, Washington implemented the first mass immunization policy in American history.”

As Washington himself wrote:

“Finding the smallpox to be spreading much and fearing that no precaution can prevent it from running through the whole of our army, I have determined that troops shall be inoculated…” “This expedient may be attended with some inconveniences and some disadvantages, but yet I trust in its consequences will have the most happy effects. Necessity not only authorizes but seems to require the measure, for should the disorder infect the army in the natural way and rage with its virulence we should have more to dread from it than from the sword of the enemy.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fact-check-did-george-washington-order-the-continental-army-to-vaccinate-against-smallpox/ar-AAMQXMs

Also, you haven’t answered my question above; what does the lower case “j” before “New World Order” mean?

baylaural
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baylaural
2 years ago

j should be km … they do not practice Judaism but Babylonian Talmudism

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago

There are many reasons why is covid about totalitarianism. We have this conversation about this petition which is a distraction from the CBDCs. The bankers are relatively covertly cementing their grip on our lives with Central Bank Digital Currency. They are only about one goose step away from total control. Many of the articles, and even comments which I have posted are what are now considered to be “harmful content and opinion” which is being banned by the WEF World Economic Forum’s COALITION FOR DIGITAL SAFETY partnership of government and big tech. Personally I am very familiar with censorship and I have seen lots of things that used to be easy to look into removed from the internet. Even in countries like England and Germany many of these articles can not be viewed so I hope you’re reading them while you can. globalresearch.ca/central-bank-digital-currencies-end-all-democracy/5748544

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2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I didn’t invent any Jewish conspiracies so I think attributing them to me is inaccurate. They exist whether you choose to turn a blind eye to them or not. And in the case of the particular comment you’re responding to, the word Jewish does not appear. So am I to assume that since you consider me an antisemite, that anything I might say is inherently antisemitic?

Dr Rude ozone
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2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Thanks. I wonder what these guys think about the covid petition. They are facing serious fascism over covid now. Looks like surrender in the meme war. Somebody musta not liked it. Cognitive dissonance asia-pacificresearch.com/aussies-hoping-repeat-1979-truckie-blockade-when-government-backed-down-truckers-demands/5630629

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago

Judge for yourself if this covid nonsense is worth the cost. Good Fresh article by Glen Greenwald on cost benefit analysis greenwald.substack.com/p/the-bizarre-refusal-to-apply-cost

Dr Rude Ozone
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2 years ago

Thanks for clearing that up. Someone had mentioned earlier that you can say things here that are banned on other social media sites but apparently that’s not true. Truth is the new hate speech. Believe me, I know!