91 New Cases Reported Today
Ninety-one new cases of COVID-19 were confirmed in the county today. The total number of residents who have tested positive for the virus now stands at 6,252. Two new hospitalizations were also reported, including one person in their 30s and another in their 40s.
As some schools start this week, the State of California is requiring that all students and staff wear face coverings in all indoor spaces. Masks are also required outdoors in crowded settings in Humboldt County, like school playgrounds and sports fields, as recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in areas of high transmission.
For students who cannot wear a mask due to medical conditions, disabilities or mental health conditions, parents may request an exemption form through their school administration. This form requires the signature of a medical provider. The Pfizer vaccine is also available for children 12 and older.
The CDC is recommending third doses of mRNA vaccines Pfizer or Moderna for those who are moderately or severely immunocompromised. The third dose should be the same vaccine as the initial series and administered at least four weeks after completing a primary mRNA COVID-19 vaccine series. Those who want to know if a third dose is right for them should consult their primary care provider.
While the CDC is not currently recommending boosters for any other population, studies are ongoing. In addition to studies of the mRNA vaccines, makers of the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine are conducting clinical trials of second doses, with results expected later this month.
Depending on the results of these studies and the authorization of the Food and Drug Administration, the CDC may recommend boosters more broadly as early as mid-September. Nursing home residents, health care workers and emergency workers would be the first to receive boosters, followed by adults age 65 and older and then the general population.
All available vaccines are highly effective at preventing severe illness, hospitalization and death from the virus. Vaccine is available at Public Health clinics located throughout the county, and walk-ins are welcome. To make an appointment in advance, go to MyTurn.ca.gov.
See the schedule of upcoming Public Health clinics below:
Ferndale – Wednesday, Aug. 18, from noon to 3 p.m.
Humboldt County Fair – main parking lot (1250 Fifth St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & JohnsonScotia – Wednesday, Aug. 18, from 5 to 7 p.m.
Scotia Lodge parking lot (100 Main St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & JohnsonOrick – Thursday, Aug. 19, from noon to 2 p.m.
Orick Elementary School (120918 Hwy. 101)
Pfizer/Johnson & JohnsonFerndale – Thursday, Aug. 19, from noon to 3 p.m.
Humboldt County Fair – main parking lot (1250 Fifth St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & JohnsonTrinidad – Thursday, Aug. 19, from 4 to 7 p.m.
Trinidad Elementary School (300 Trinity St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & JohnsonFerndale – Friday, Aug. 20, from noon to 3 p.m.
Humboldt County Fair – main parking lot (1250 Fifth St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & JohnsonCarlotta – Friday, Aug. 20, from 5:30 to 7 p.m.
Cuddeback Elementary (300 Wilder Road)
Pfizer/Johnson & JohnsonMcKinleyville – Saturday, Aug. 21, from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m.
Church of the Joyful Healer (1944 Central Ave.)
Pfizer/Johnson & JohnsonFerndale – Saturday, Aug. 21, from noon to 5 p.m.
Humboldt County Fair – main parking lot (1250 Fifth St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & JohnsonArcata – Sunday, Aug. 22, from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m.
Carlson Park (Mad River Pkwy. E)
Pfizer/Johnson & JohnsonFerndale – Sunday, Aug. 22, from noon to 5 p.m.
Humboldt County Fair – main parking lot (1250 Fifth St.)
Pfizer/Johnson & JohnsonMost local pharmacies also offer COVID-19 vaccines, and many allow walk-ins. Visit vaccines.gov to check availability, or text a ZIP code to 438829 to find a participating pharmacy nearby.
The Pfizer vaccine is approved for children as young as 12 years old. Minors must be accompanied by a parent or guardian. The Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines are authorized for those 18 and older. Full protection from the vaccine is achieved two weeks after receiving the second dose of a two-dose series or two weeks after receiving a single-dose vaccine.
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It’s such a shame that everyone didn’t get vaxxed & we wldnt be where we are now. It’s time to get this done !
Considering the vaccines don’t stop people from getting the cov why do you think we would not be where we are today
Because even though there are breakthrough infections (generally from 0% to 1% of new diagnoses), vaccinated people don’t get as sick, almost never die from Covid, and are far less likely to infect others. Vaccinated people are not the breeding ground for new mutations of the virus.
Unvaccinated people are the vector spreading the virus, breeding new mutations, and now, increasingly the ones who are being hospitalized, being put on ventilators, and dying.
That’s why.
Unvaccinated people may have already had covid and thus have natural antibodies. This idea that unvaccinated means you’re the problem is unfounded and leading to further issues.
How do you know the newest mutations came from an unvaccinated person?
There’s got to be a way to measure the level of antibodies in people claiming natural immunity that would be equivalent to a vaccine card when traveling, for work, public events, etc
Yes. This is surely possible.
Beyond the complexity of maintaining that sort of database, given the known tendency of antibodies to wane over time. There’s also the issue that natural immunity involves immune factors beyond antibodies that may or may not be proffered by the injections.
Well the unvaccinated have been the source so far. But, as vaccinated grow to outnumber the unvaccinated, certainly that will change. This virus mutates. Period. And apparently vaccination reduces both the severity and length of illness. The best that can be hoped is that vaccination also reduces the length of time a person is infectious. And thus the length of time the virus can mutate freely. But no one yet knows for sure. But so far, vaccination seems to be as effective as recovering from a prior infection in preventing new illness.
I did read one really mean article where the author suggested vaccinated people just go about their business and let the burden fall on the unvaccinated who get sicker. Unfortunate though what goes around comes around. And that is not a reasonable policy. Not there may be a choice in the end if there are too many choosing to be unvaccinated. It will be what happens whether it is ethical or not.
No, the source is Wuhan! What a moronic statement.
“Well thr unvaccinated have been the source so far”
Once again AO false fear propaganda has made a unsubstantiated claim.
Most of these arguments are speculation.
This is a complex problem and complex problems need a multi pronged approach.
You can’t force people to get vaccines that goes against everything that is in oath of practice by medical personnel.
@auntie opine
Your assertion that the unvaccinated have been the source so far is untrue and completely ignorant. For someone who likes to talk a lot maybe you should study up before you type. You’re not doing anything productive by spreading your bigoted ignorance around.
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There’s no way to say this nice. Most the people chose no vaccine are the ones filling the hospitals. Lots of us want services at our hospitals. We can’t get those because allot of the unvaccinated are taking all our caregivers time and resources. Who’s rights are being abused now?
Oh god
Actually our hospital beds are overrun by 5150’s coming in from LEO’s because of the new change in regulation that they HAVE to go to ER for a mandatory 72 hour hold per Covid testing regulations in CA before they can be transferred to county jail, mental institution or released.
Our local healthcare system has been and will continue to be a joke both before and after this “pandemic”
Do you have any basis for this allegation? I mean for real about having to be in the emergency room? Because the only 5150s I’ve heard of are to psychiatric facilities or the sheriffs own drunk tank.
I remember when the left was about the Dead, Hendrix, and Jesus. Now its about vaccine passports and “show me your papers”
Its against God yo. If you want the clot shot fine. Don’t blame the Christians for your choice.
But can we blame God? After all, He/She could have prevented this whole thing in the first place.
The left does seem to be making a lot of fascist statements. I can’t stand right wing nuts either but they are sounding a lot less fascist than these vaxx nannies right now. The side that championed “my body my choice,” which I agree with, is now acting like facists!
That’s an easy one. Everyone’s
You have not been reading the news apparently. The viral loads in the nasal passages of the vaccinated are not less than the viral loads in the unvaccinated so the transmission probability is the same. You are correct that the vaccinated folks generally do not get as ill. That is the major benefit of vaccination. Not the spreading part.
That’s why they went back to masks for vaccinated folks. ……because they were still infecting others unknowingly.
There always need to be a scapegoat. It’s part of the natural human psychology. Too bad the boogie man is the unvaccinated adult. It’s counter productive if you really want to encourage people to get the shots.
Or it’s just the scientific fact that unvaccinated are causing the current spike. That’s another way of looking at it. You know, it’s ok to admit you were wrong.
Scientific fact? Not sure if I agree. I am often wrong and will to admit it, but stating it’s a fact isn’t really scientific.
@willow creeker
That is completely false! You are making shit up or repeating bullshit you heard.
Did you miss the letter signed by more than a hundred local doctors? Unvaxinated people are the cause of the current spike. Its free, its a hell of a lot safer than getting Covid and its the right thing to do.
I guess someone had to state the obvious for you:
The virus is causing the spike, not people, vaccinated or not.
Or maybe, it is plausible, vaccinated individuals have caused a mutation and are the ones shedding the new variant?
But, you don’t see unvaccinated people attempting to cast blame at their vaccinated counterparts….
No, mostly just calling it for what it is, the flu
yeah this is not a vaccine. Remaining organic is the default. Not the other way around.
It does the exact same thing as a vaccine, gives your body mRNA to recognize covid as a threat. It just skips the “dead virus” step.
Also, mRNA is an organic compound.
Oh wow. Organic compound . Must be cool then. Oh wait here’s an exhaustive list of other “organic compounds ” roll up your sleeve. rganic Compound
Uses of organic Compound
Methane
Black in colour, in making motor tyre and printing ink, in the production of light and energy, in making methyl alcohol, formaldehyde and chloroform etc.
Butane
In liquid state it is used as LPG fuel.
Ethylene
In fruit ripening and fruits preservator , in making mustard gas, in the form of anaesthesia, in oxy-ethylene flame
Acetylene
In producing light, oxy-ethylene flame, in the form of narselin anaesthesia, in making neoprene (artificial rubber), in artificial ripening etc.
Polythene
It used for the producing electrical resistance in wires and cables, in making layer in the cap of the bottle in the production of non-crackable bottles, pipes, buckets etc.
Polystyrene
Is used for the production of caps of bottles of acid, in making the body of the accumulator cells etc.
Ethyl bromine
It is for making local anaesthesia.
Chloroform
In surgical operation as anaesthesia, in form of solvent of rubber, fat, lac etc, as insecticide etc.
Methyl alcohol
In making methyleted spirit, artificial colour, barnish and polish, mixing with petrol and utilised as fuel of engines etc.
Formament
In making medicine of throats in making chewing tablets.
Ethyl alcohol
It is used for making wine and another alcoholic drinking stuff, tincture, barnish and polish, in the form of solvents, in methyleted spirit, in artificial colours in perfumes and scent of fruits, in transparent soaps, in spirit lamps and stoves, in the form of fuel of motor vehicle in cleaning the wound, in the form of insecticide etc.
Glycerol
It is used for making nitro-glycerine, in cleaning the components of watches, in ink of stamp, in shoes polish and cosmetics, in transparent soaps, in pain reliever medicines of any fractured part of the body organs, in sweets, wine and fruits preservators etc.
Formaldehyde
In making insecticides, in fixation of gelatine film on the photographic plates, in making waterproof cloths by mixing it with eggs exterior whitely part etc.
Acetaldehyde
In making colour medicines, in manufacturing meta acetaldehyde medicine used in sleeping, in the production of plastics.
Acetone
In making barnish, cordite, clodian cellulose, artificial silk, synthetic rubber, sulphone, chlorotone, chloroform, iodoform etc. as medicines etc.
Formic acid
In making insecticide, as preservator of fruits juices, in trade of leather, rubber etc.
Acetic acid
As laboratory’s reagent, in the form of vinegar, in making sauces and jelly etc.
Acetyl chloride
In making acetamide, acetic anhydride etc.
Acetic anhydride
In colour industry, in the manufacturing of medicine like aspirin, in making artificial or synthetic silk from cellulose etc.
Acetamide
In softening leather, cloth and in misting pulp and paper.
Ethyl acetate
In making medicines, artificial perfumes etc.
Urea
In the form of fertilizer, in making formaldehyde and urea plastic, medicines etc.
Oxalic acid
In colouration and printing cloths, in making colour of ink and coaltar, in the bleaching of leather, in cleaning the spot of ink by its 10 % solution etc.
Glucose
In making different types of wine, in sweets and preservators of fruits juices, medicines like gluconate etc.
Benzene
In the form of solvent, in dry cleaning, by mixing it with petrol and used as fuel of engines etc.
Toluene
In the dry cleaning, in the form of solvent, in the production of medicines, in making of explosives etc.
Chloro benzene
In the manufacturing of aniline, phenol etc.
Nitro benzene
In the production of soaps in the form of mirbane oil, in making polishes etc.
Aniline
In trade of colours, in manufacturing of drugs etc.
Phenol
In the production of carbolic soap, in the form of insecticide, in Bakelite, in predestine, aspirin, celolal etc.
Benzaldehyde
In colour industry, in the manufacturing of perfumes etc.
Benzoic acid
In the making drugs, as preservator of fruits juices etc.
Benzene Sulphonic acid
In the production of saccharin, in the production of solute colour, in making sulpha drugs etc.
Ether
As anaesthesia, solvent, coolant, in the production of alcohol etc…
Carbon-tetrachloride
In the form of fire extinguisher.
Urotropin
In the treatment of urological diseases.
Gammexene
In the form of germicide/ insecticide
It doesn’t do the exact same thing as the virus.
Maybe the JnJ does something very close, but the Pfizer and Moderna are entirely different approaches to vaccination.
They sneak synthetic mrna into your cells that induce the creation of free spike proteins by those cells. The hope is that your immune system learns to recognize those spike proteins as a threat and will create antibodies against them and, then, recognize that spike on the outside of the hypothetical future sars viral molecule it encounters.
Organic….except it’s GMO.
But hey, who’s really paying attention? This ain’t the 90’s anymore.
Right on ThatGuy.
Viruses have to reproduce to mutate. The more they reproduce, the more they mutate. Viruses reproduce a hell of a lot more in unvaccinated individuals. Please do not pretend to know anything about evolution.
Is it proven that these vaccines reduce the amount the virus mutates?
I understand that it reduces the chance of infection somewhat, and appears to reduce the severity of many of those infections, but once a person is infected is there clear evidence that it replicates less in vaccinated people?
While it is true that vaccinated breakthrough cases apparently can spread the virus, you seem to be ignoring the much lower rate of infection occurring in vaccinated folks compared to the unvaccinated. They also recover much more quickly than unvaccinated which decreases the length of time they are contagious.
What’s wrong with more cases? Everyone is going to get it eventually. The Vax just puts pressure on the virus to mutate. Get healthy. Stay healthy.
That is a really poor turn of phrase. Viruses can not be pressured. At worse vaccination allows some variants to marginally out reproduce others.
But it a very, very slow process that needs a much higher level of vaccination than the world has to have any influence at all. The free wheeling unvaccinated can easily fill in any gaps left by the vaccinated quite easily.
Vaccination effectiveness never gets reduced to the level of unvaccinated. It’s an illogical idea that vaccine residence is like drug resistence that “sifts” out the ineffective to kill. Covid-19 vaccines are not sterilizing so they don’t readily create a more favorable environment where some thrive and others get killed off. What mutates to evade immune systems does so for the vaccinated and unvaccinated equally. Chicken studies not withstanding.
Bullshit. All of evolution is from pressure.
Yeah AO reads like a troll last comment. Or she’s drinking the koolaid.
Jim Jones had a following too…
God Bless everyone and good luck with your choice. Ask yourself if Jesus is okay with it — to me its too mark-ish so naw.
“Neutral evolution occurs when genes do not experience natural selection because they have no effect on reproductive success. Neutrality arises when mutations in an organism’s genotype cause no change in its phenotype, or when changes in the genotype bring about changes in the phenotype that do not affect reproductive success. Because neutral genes do not change in any particular direction over time and simply “drift,” thanks in part to the randomness of meiosis, they can be used as a sort of molecular clock to determine common ancestors or places in the phylogenetic tree of life.” https://oyc.yale.edu/ecology-and-evolutionary-biology/eeb-122/lecture-4#:~:text=Neutral%20evolution%20occurs%20when%20genes%20do%20not%20experience,the%20phenotype%20that%20do%20not%20affect%20reproductive%20success.
In simple words, random crap happens. But whether it is crap in the end depends what happens after that. Viruses are really, really good at random crap.
Random crap happens but dominant variations don’t show themselves without selective pressure.
“Random crap happens” shall be the new bumper sticker.
Haha your comments suggest an decidedly unscientific approach.
Ullr, if a random variation incidently accompanies another characteristic, it certainly can spread without itself being influential. Some viruses are notoriously spontaneously variable in their reproduction. And the thing that controls the variation is the number of viruses. If vaccination reduces the number by either shortening the period of infectivity or the number of infected, then there will simply be less variantion.
What i think you are saying is that the marek virus chicken vaccination shows that the vaccinated can tolerate a more virulent strain of virus that so that, instead of killing off the infected and thus ending its existence, can keep circulating to kill the unvaccinated more readily. That is possible but it’s a pretty far leap from the statement that vaccination causes it. The idea that, if an especially virulent variant springs into existence, which it can more likely in unvaccinated than vaccinated, it should be allowed to kill off it’s victims so that it’s spread is reduced doesn’t work anyway beside being unethical. There are too many examples of highly fatal diseases keeping going for multiple generations for the idea of let-em-die-and-it-will-go-away to be a viable idea. And that is without vaccinations influencing the viruses at all.
That people more afraid of vaccination than disease use this idea as a reason to just let disease spread without interference is pretty transparently disingenuous. Like the idea worked for the black death, which came in waves for centuries, influenza, which is more deadly in some years than others, or even Ebola, which is always circulating in wildlife who can survive it better than humans. Letting people die doesn’t work to, well, keep people from dying.
Bullshit. There is no evidence that the more virulent COVID variants are selected for by vaccinations. They are selected for by their own greater efficiency at spreading.
Hooray. I’m looking forward to it. I would love to have that but we need to ship a bunch over seas
The vaccine puts pressure on the virus? Don’t think it responds to peer pressure. Pretty sure it responds to susceptible hosts to replicate and mutate.
🕯🌳But Auntie is right viruses action are random not pressured they evolve until they die.🖖🖖
There’s your problem.. “reading the news” yes because msm isn’t bought and paid for at all .. lol
This reminds me of the way kids in high school mock students who want to learn. Don’t you find it at all frightening that you are glorifying lack of learning? You aren’t saying be cautious about believing everything. You are literally mocking someone for reading news and trying to learn.
Ya. Scare isn’t it?!?
I’m not sure I read it that way. Maybe more like don’t believe everything you read. Not too distant from my favorite: don’t believe everything you think.
Reading the news = good
Reading information from MSM as if it is news = folly
Wall St Journal and the New York Times, Fox and MSN, the LA Times and The Houston Chronical, NPR and Al Jazeera–Those are all examples of very main stream media. If you don’t at least look/listen to a little bit of those, you aren’t fully rounding out your news.
I look at all of them. I’m a news junky. I have a problem.
I do read and listen to them routinely. It’s called monitoring enemy communication. NPR drives my kids nuts but is still don’t care. I monitor FOX and what I can manage to muster from all sides.
Having read Public Opinion when I was young followed by Bernay’s Propaganda will make most people highly distrustful of the mainstream media. I guess that called well rounded.
MSM = Narrative BS and….. FAKE News.
Respectfully, Dr. Bearjoo
Bonus….. TV = Tel–A–Vision (aka BS also)
who tells the truth? some B rated Netflix zombie flicks, poets and hippies, pastors. Otherwise they plant their BS in a field of otherwise solid, fact based (sometimes), dry, and seemingly non partisan doublespeak.
Every day anti vaxers are mocked for being science deniers maybe practice what you preach.
mocked? You the ones that aint organic no mo… pretty sure the guys who made the vaxxx are mocking you too.
We are 39th in the US in learning… that’s frightful.
CTR will drag us down to the bottom of the bucket.
Pelosi talking about gender studies in Afghanistan while moms hand their kids off to anyone who will get them out of the country is so despicable that I don’t have words for what I think.
The people that do get out are not jabbed, who cares, even with Covid they may live.
The same with the fires.
Live now, worry about Covid later. Shots lose there importance when your life is at risk now.
Thanks, Biden, you asshole. You’ve put everyone, everywhere, at risk from a bioweapon.
If it’s not all propaganda.
when are all you idiots who claim to be following the “science” going to realize that its all PROPAGANDA. When are you going to use your brain and realize people are getting sick from the experimental shot, and don’t try to tell me it’s not experimental. You people are being fooled on a massive scale, and just because you can’t understand it you call everyone that will try to explain it to you a “conspiracy theorist”. This isn’t about left or right BS politics. Its about how governments commit genocide! We are living in the age of technology which is where the deception takes place. What happened to thinking for yourself. You blindly trust bought and paid for scientists on the bought and paid for TV. Then you try to say everything on the internet is bs…well it is if you’ve given your ability to decipher through it yourself. So you essentially end up going to the people causing the problem for the answer. Its complete INSANITY. Don’t be surprised when this winter, people will be dropping like flies. Because your arrogant ass thought you could trust a bunch of other arrogant idiots with an experimental injection that is RUINING your immune system! The creator of the Mrna shot himself Dr. Robert Malone is trying to tell you….but no he’s a “conspiracy theorist” now and is highly censored. You honestly trust the “health officials” who look like complete death? Or a guy like Fauci who is on record lying to people in the 80s about AIDS. STOP DEFENDING THIS PRICK! He’s a bigger snake than any used car salesmen! Here come the comments trying to guilt trip me because someone you know died…..there is no proof it was from a virus! Folks they DO NOT have this “virus” isolated, therefor it is not even proven to exist!! COULD THAT BE WHY THERE IS NO VIRUS IN THE SHOT?!?! Is that why they pouring millions into PROPAGANDA campaigns to trick you?? If you lost someone it was either because they had underlaying conditions or from medical error, or ventilator..HOSPITALS GET PAID FOR EVERY PERSON WRITTEN OFF AS COVID. A real pandemic doesn’t require fear mongering 24/7! WAKE UP OR SUFFER THE CONSQUEUNCES!
Ha. People getting sick from the shot.
As so many people on here like to say “ got a link for that”?
You are way off on the less than 1% of new cases are breakthrough cases. No place is anywhere near that low and several places have over 50% of new cases coming from fully vaccinated people. Now, that doesn’t mean the vaccine is not effective. If 90% of your population is vaccinated and only 50% of new cases are in vaccinated individuals, then the vaccine is still showing helpful resistance. It is also the elderly and most vulnerable who got vaccinated in higher numbers, so that also leads to more breakthrough cases.
In addition, while a comment above claims that the vaccinated are carrying the same viral load as the unvaccinated, that is true, BUT only true for those who actually catch Covid. You are still less likely to catch Covid (even Delta) if you are vaccinated and even less likely to be hospitalized or die.
The vaccine does seem to be becoming less effective against new variants, but that is to be expected. Fortunately, new variants also usually trend toward more contagious but less lethal.
Less than 2% of all cases are breakthrough overall. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-08-15/vaccines-and-breakthrough-covid-cases-in-the-u-s
BUT, the Delta variant is changing that. There are more cases. “Breakthrough infections in vaccinated people accounted for at least one in five newly diagnosed cases in six of these states and higher percentages of total hospitalizations and deaths than had been previously observed in all of them.”
Still the vaccinated have very little chance of dying and even less if they aren’t elderly. “Most states do not compile the numbers by age, sex or the presence of other conditions. But in Oregon, which does, the median age for a breakthrough-associated death is 83 years.” https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/17/health/covid-vaccinated-infections.html
“Still the vaccinated have very little chance of dying and even less if they aren’t elderly.” This has applied through this whole shit show.
Exactly! Good point ullr.
Do we know the median age for the rest of the Covid deaths in Oregon? It would help to have something to compare the 83 with. I’ll bet the second number is pretty high too.
We just need the facts mam. Rock on kym.
Overall like the whole pandemic? That is the obviously not data that reflects truth
I would consider a case fatality rate of about 1% as a pretty low chance. Look at it as a 99% survival rate. That has been the situation, at least in Humboldt County, as tallied at the end of every month of this since it began… not just since vaccinations became available.
Okay, I’ll try a 3rd time without the links that perhaps Akismet didn’t like…
Kym, our posts pretty much say the same thing.
The Bloomberg article is irrelevant to our current situation. It uses stats from Jan 1st to July 1st. Very few people were vaccinated at that time and the Delta variant wasn’t ripping through the US yet.
Onlooker claimed that less than 1% of NEW cases are breakthrough cases and as we both pointed out that is patently false. I posted links in my first replies to several places where they are now having 50% breakthrough cases, like Israel.
As I said in my initial post, this doesn’t mean the vaccines are not still effective, they are.
Whether the risk from the unknown consequences of taking the vaccine outweighs the risk of getting Covid is something everyone must decide for themselves. You and I chose the vaccine. Hopefully we chose wisely.
Kym, you posted Op Ed’s
These aren’t factual
Thanks Hugh. The local breakthrough case rate is 24% for Humboldt (according to the North Coast Journal) and averages 19% for California, (according to the Mercury News).
24% for 51+ percent of the population vs 76% for 48-49% of the population. That puts the odds of getting infected for the vaccinated at less than 1/3 of that for the unvaccinated. And that’s not even considering that people with identified risk factors (age, pre-existing health conditions, immunocompromised) are disproportionately among the vaccinated.
Thanks Thirdeye. Excellent analysis. They should include the number of breakthrough cases in the hospital also.
Do you have a sense for how these kind of stats translate into vaccine efficacy?
If 50% of the population is vaxxed, and they represent 25% of infections, is that vaccine 50% efficacious? 75%
Breakthrough cases are so low because the majority of the vaccinated are hunkered down in a rabbit hole. Of course they will have low case numbers, the reality is so simple. The unvaccinated never cared about masking or sheltering and their numbers are up. I can’t believe how this sheet works out, crack me up.
I love how you have it all figured out. The vaccinated are all “hunkered” down.
Wrong. Lots of people started doing normal activities. The unmasked and unvaccinated continued doing their thing and are now ending up in the hospital. “Crack me up”.
I see the truth hurts, hows that storage unit of TP holding up? Panickers crack me up
What “truth” is that comedian?
I’m not holding up. Are you getting worried?
“Crack me up”.
“The unmasked and unvaccinated continued doing their thing and are now ending up in the hospital.”
I’m still going strong, count me out of your vaccinated and masked circle , you’re the one cracking me up.
Why are they less likely to infect others? That is just not true. In fact, likely the opposite is true.
There’s not enough data to support any of those claims yet. Seriously. Please stop spreading misinformation. It takes time, multiple controlled studies and peer reviewed before claims this bold are factual. Even then it’s still up for question or further review. It would take years and hundreds of thousands of data points to make those claims.
The 0 to 1% number is factually inaccurate. What source are you pulling your numbers from? Your imagination?
The vaccine reduces the chances of catching COVID-19 by 75%. Your premise is false
You realize that because it was began under emergency use the effectiveness of actually keeping you from getting the virus, or anything else it may do for that matter, my change over the course of the next year or so because that’s how science works.. the more time and data the greater the scope of the hypothesis can be observed and conclusions can change . That how the method works.. so we may be seeing that number keep dropping as.more vaccinated people get the virus who never caught it in the first place
. If you trust science you must trust that as well
That has been one of the craziest things to me about this roll out. The oft touted 95% for Pfizer came from 90 days of data when less than 2% of study participants had been infected.
Pretending that that is anything more than extremely preliminary data is just silly
Not to mention they are criminals. For….fraud.
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Some feel safe trusting criminals with their lives….
Moderna maybe, is 76%
Not Pfizer. It’s 42%
That’s it.
J&J will not disclose.
Must it’s be worse than 42%?
That’s from 8/16/2021
WSJ.
“Follow Your Nose to Herd Immunity”
And the bigger picture, Juke Flywalker is this, the reality…
At 50% of population with vaccine acceptance, regardless of cause, the bottom line is that the infections from Covid19 will be only reduced by half of what the true efficacy of the Covid19 vaccines are, in combination.
Combine 76% and 42% for Moderna and Pfizer efficacy and you get 58% before you even factor in J&J’s dismal efficacy, or the fact that there may have been considerable more Pfizer doses administered., Then cut that 58% in half, because only half are vaccinated, and don’t bother spreading any grief about it, because that’s the reality of the situation, and it doesn’t matter why at this point.
Do now you have a Vaccine Strategy that resulted in an overall efficacy of 29% or less.
That’s the bottom line.
Subtract from that The J&J factor,and I imagine your looking at 27%, overall for all Americans.
If lots more people got the Pfizer, it’s gonna drop from there.
These numbers are for Delta,
But that’s what we are facing.
That should explain the high case counts.
I would be interested in seeing the case to hospitalization percentage rate now compared to the past.
Are there more, or are there less, hospitalizations per case percentage rate wise.
That would be good information.
That will tell us if the variants are getting more serious or not.
Cases are at 36 today, I wish they would provide test numbers or positivity rates. Just giving us how many case numbers with nothing else is only partial information.
I know I could look it up on the dashboard archives. And then I could post it in the comments, and I did that for about a week. So could everyone. It takes once for the county to do it and put the info in the press release.
Simple. They don’t. Why?
It would be so easy and so useful and informative.
Please?
Just Stop. You clearly have been misinformed, are clearly part of the cult-think. Its not ‘clever’ and its not ‘woke’.
You are helping kill, yes, kill people by repeating the fox bs and refusing to listen to medical professionals the world over.
Just stop. Get a damn shot or not, but if you choose not to, please remove yourself from society.
more like “It’s such a shame that the vaccine isn’t really a vaccine, that it doesn’t prevent infection or spread, and that so many zombies are still asleep”
fixed it
“Humboldt County Lab Manager Jeremy Corrigan displays the reagents needed to amplify COVID-19 RNA in a test sample last year. [Photo from HCJIC]”
Has anyone asked what the amplification rates are? If you wind them up a notch or two you get “False Positives”. If you wind them down you get false negatives. I’m not saying people aren’t getting sick BUT the PCR test is flawed. The cycles are crucial and even then I’m not convinced the test can differentiate between the whole host of other coronaviruses out there. And suppose you got a flu shot a while ago? Will the PCR test show you have antibodies from the shot? I humbly submit that all the tests are irrelevant without listing the LAB and the CYCLES. Accountability is key.
And then there is the whole “variant” question. Just HOW can they test? In my PEA BRAIN the test is flawed there also. Suppose you get a drunk driving with a breathalyzer OR a blood test. Can they tell whether you were drinking a Vodka Tonic or a Manhattan? Perhaps a Bud Light or a Downtown Brown? HELL NO! And thus the variant BS is just that.
Inquiring minds . . .
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/07/anatomy-of-a-vaccine-breakthrough/619562/
“Get the Vaccine, or get COVID/Delta”
Get vaccinated, and do it now…
Get the vaccine AND, you can still
get Covid19/ Delta.
The vaccine was not even designed to prevent Covid19 infection, only to instill resistance to serious infection and death.
Repeating a lie doesn’t make it true.
Same applies for you. It was the talking point when the vaccine came out, just like masks to prevent the virus from spreading, to prevent contracting the virus etc. Though I agree the mask may help slow and filter the spread of a virus, and getting “vaxxed” may limit the effects of the virus, neither the vaccine nor the mask will prevent it from spreading or from mutating. Nor does it provide immunity for vaccinated people. The vaccinated are carriers as much as the non vaccinated. Also didn’t the cdc quit counting the hospitalized vaccinated numbers?🤔
Just to address one of your questions: “And suppose you got a flu shot a while ago? Will the PCR test show you have antibodies from the shot?”
First, the PCR test isn’t looking at antibodies, that’s a different test and those are specific to the kinds of antigens produced by the COVID coronavirus. Antigen tests can still tell the difference between influenza antigens and COVID antigens but while the tests are much quicker to process, they are generally less accurate than PCR tests.
Second, the influenza viruses that cause the flu are different from the coronavirus that causes COVID so PCR tests can tell them apart. The current PCR test only looks for genetic material from SARS-COV-2 (COVID-19). There is a new multi-plex RT-PCR test that can tell the difference between Influenza A and B and the SARS-COV-2 virus.
Are you pulling a tucker Carlson?
Onlooker 77% in Massachusetts are double Vaccinated talking out of your neck 1% I was just with three people all big VAXers Who came down with it I roomed with them for two weeks. I still don’t have it. Seems like the vaccination might make you more susceptible to getting it. I understand you’re so invested in it you really don’t want to learn the real facts. Whether they get it with less effects or not is all speculation. A lot of unvaccinated before the vaccination was even available were asymptomatic.
Sure, we believe you. Uh-huh.
Most of my family caught the bug prevaccine. All of my immediate family caught it prevaccine. Aside from immediate and extended family, I didn’t have any friends who had contracted it.
Post-vaccine I now know of multiple friends who have contracted the virus. A couple of my cousins who didn’t contract the virus, and are now fully vaccinated, have it currently. I know about 10 people who have had it now and they are fully vaccinated. I had a friend whose entire, fully vaccinated family caught it at their fully vaxxed post Covid family reunion. A few of them also flew around the country, while sick mind you, because they figured since they were vaxxed whatever bug they had wasn’t Covid. One of them had a 104 degree fever.
It’s anecdotal but I put far more store in information that I gain from personal experience or first hand than information I hear regurgitated through some media outlet. Things that I hear just aren’t as reliable to me as things that I can hold in my hand so to speak, no matter who it is I hear it from. I believe the vaccines are no where near as effective as the “experts” say they are.
Besides, I already had a funny feeling about the vaccines when the experts were saying that once vaxxed you had a 99.99% chance of survival if you were young, healthy, and contracted Covid. I paused and thought, hmmm, isn’t that my chance of survival anyway? Without the vaccine?
Anybody know anyone with lab equipment? I would love to get my hands on one of those syringes and get the contents tested first hand, that would answer a lot of questions.
The unvaccinated are sitting ducks for covid and superspreaders of the delta variant.
As are the vaccinated.
Do the math.
They are and They’re my favorite baseball team too.
On my way back from Tractor Supply, picking up my liquid Ivermectin for the bong. Passed by one last time the Eureka City Hall protest. You know, the vax, etc, bash previously advertised. Maybe 9 folk now, hugging each other, waving the same Mayor and Council recall placards at hwy 101 traffic. Not a vax, mask, mandate, or any kind of pandemic sign.
From Tractor Supply? Who knew.
Every been in a Filipino bar with a bunch of Jarheads? [edit]
https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2021/04/14/nearly-40-percent-of-marines-have-turned-down-covid-19-vaccine-from-the-corps/
Outbreak at Duke among vaccinated students. https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1391837909955850243?s=20
You apparently aren’t keeping up with the news. All military personnel are required to be vaccinated by Sept. 15th.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/08/09/pentagon-requiring-covid-19-vaccine-us-troops.html
A quote from the article: In a briefing with reporters Monday, Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby said there’s no evidence that vaccine refusal is a widespread problem in the military.
“Members of the military understand when you sign up for the military, that there are requirements laid upon you,” he said. “Some of those requirements include being healthy and fit and ready to serve. Some of that depends on our requirement to make sure you’re fit and healthy, through inoculation and vaccination.”
You apparently didn’t read that until the frankenvaxxes have approval from FDA, the military will not order troops to get COVID. Even our troops have constitutional rights while they’re protecting your right to run your money maker.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Members of the U.S. military will be required to get the COVID-19 vaccine beginning next month under a plan laid out by the Pentagon Monday and endorsed by President Joe Biden. In memos distributed to all troops, top Pentagon leaders said the vaccine is a necessary step to maintain military readiness.
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said the mid-September deadline could be accelerated if the vaccine receives final FDA approval or infection rates continue to rise.
“I will seek the president’s approval to make the vaccines mandatory no later than mid-September, or immediately upon” licensure by the Food and Drug Administration “whichever comes first,” Austin said in his memo, warning them to prepare for the requirement.
Marines Rebuke Defense Secretary: “No Mandatory Vaccinations for My Marines.”
https://stuartbramhall.wordpress.com/2021/08/10/marines-rebuke-defense-secretary-no-mandatory-vaccinations-for-my-marines/
Snowflakes lack real work experience.
Did you miss this?
[ALERT: THIS IS SATIRE, SEE COMMENTS]
Obviously missed it.
“Representatives for the Marine Corps confirmed to Reuters via email that the “article mentioned is satire and in no way factual.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-marine-corps-hoax-idUSL1N2PK26O
Ooh-Rah!!!
🕯🌳I’ve been there back in the 70’s unjabbed. 🖖🖖
Thank you for your service, Willie.
🕯🌳Dr. Demento says that if you show your vac card at the funny farm he’ll sing you his famous song. 🖖🖖
The only thing that I remember about Dr Demento, was rolly polly fish heads, and I don’t remember what radio station it played other than KATA or KFMI.
It was on “The Mighty Met” KMET on Sunday evenings.
My apologies, I was referring to the Humboldt county area.
Good. The more the merrier. Get it. Get immunity. Get over it.
Those that keep saying a Vax is better than a natural immune response are liars. We’ve been doing this for a long time. If our natural immune response doesn’t work right we don’t deserve to be an organism on the is planet.
Stay healthy or get healthy.
From a study conducted in Denmark before the Delta variant was widespread:
“For those 65 and under, getting the coronavirus once provided roughly 80% protection against reinfection. But for people 65 and older, it provided only about 47% protection against getting COVID-19 again, further highlighting how dangerous this disease can be for older adults.”
That’s a bit lower than vaccine effectiveness against the previous variants. I didn’t see any recent reports on the Delta variant re-infections, probably because the surge in the US is still fairly new.
This whole thing is too new for accurate epidemiological studies.
But you know without studies they are liars. Too bad there has been at least a couple of these mysteriously existent studies after all.
“Among Kentucky residents infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, vaccination status of those reinfected during May–June 2021 was compared with that of residents who were not reinfected. In this case-control study, being unvaccinated was associated with 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with being fully vaccinated.”
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm
Yay, Kentucky.
If humans can’t deal with it we aren’t fit to be organisms in existence. Cope.
Vaccines are coping.
Apparently not or all those with vaccines wouldn’t be having hissy fits over those that don’t.
Sounds like the unvaccinated are getting more worried every day. Crack me up.
Worried about being forced to do something yes
Yes. Not for any rational cause but yes, that is the whole reason for the endless misinfornation. No, the vaccinated did not spontaneously combust in the anti vaxxer scenarios they offered of a few days then two weeks then 6 months and won’t in the 5 years they cite now. How about that as being a reason for not to exaggerate, fantasize, misinterpret or misconstrue? Just say vaccination is scary and leave it at that. Don’t drag people down the rabbit hole in order to have company.
Yep,we are very worried lol, the flu is deadly, if your in your 90s ,crack me up
Wait I thought it was people over 50? You can’t seem to make up your mind. Still a “lamedemic” though right?
What do you have to say about what is going on in Israel? One of the most vaccinated per 100 in the world? https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/covid-4/coronavirus-israel
“Of the 105 recent COVID-19 deaths in Israel, 103 were people who had not been fully vaccinated, Bennett said.”
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/government-israel/facing-nis-200b-covid-19-cost-bennett-implores-israelis-get-vaccinated/2021/08/18/
If you follow this philosophy of “survival of the fittest” with the COVID virus simply being a selection pressure on human population, why not extend that to all infectious diseases? Why do anything to ameliorate the spread of tuberculosis, malaria, polio, etc.?
After all, if it applies to one virus or infectious agent it should apply to all. Then the human genome can evolve to be resistant to all of these agents until another evolves.
Or perhaps we could use one of the features we evolved to slow or stop the spread of these diseases — the enlarged cranial capacity. And then use science to develop methods to give us an evolutionary advantage against the viral and bacterial agents. That’s what the vaccine is — us using our evolutionary advantage to make us “fitter” for the environment we find ourselves in.
What would be an interesting side discussion that would take far too many beers is whether the current polarization of information on COVID is social Darwinism in play. It’s too early for that many beers, at least for me.
Thats an interesting topic of discussion. I wonder what the health outcomes for religious sects that forego modern health care look like compared to the general population?
One doesn’t have to go to that extreme to decide not to accept these particular pharmaceutical interventions. Our health, and the choices we make about it, are embedded in a complex web of risk analysis and personal philosophy.
I, for one, am glad to see that the government is making novel treatments available for people without having to wait for the FDA. I think we should move to that model generally and fda approval could just come with a seal that would be meaningful to many.
I’m happy for you all that had access to these treatments that make you feel better protected. My only request is that you not assert a right to dictate my medical choices just to satisfy your own concerns.
Lots of examples. The Samoa measles out break is instructional as to the effect of resisting modern pharmacological interventions. Tanzania, where the prime minister said to pray away the virus and refused to allow any one to report a covid death is another. After he himself died from covid when the secret burials stopped. The ultra orthodox jews of Israel are another where ” One ultra-Orthodox person over age 60 in every 100 died – six times the national rate. ”
https://m.jpost.com/jerusalem-report/ultra-orthodox-pull-u-turn-on-vaccines-670630
https://www.ft.com/content/64521099-0850-4b94-b918-c302ada63916
https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2019/11/29/samoa-measles-epidemic.html
I’ll look into those, two of the links were behind paywalls but it gives me something to follow up on
I can appreciate that point of view thatguyinarcata, and I don’t have any quibbles with a stance like that. At least as long as you take appropriate measures to not infect anyone else, which I think I recall you saying you do in other comments.
As AO pointed out, there have been several studies on closed groups that shun most modern medicine show excess deaths compared to open groups that accept it. I found one on the Amish/Mennonite communities in Ohio that were looked at and found to have 125% excess deaths in November 2020 (the study data only ran through Dec. 2020) compared to the expected number of deaths from 2015-2019.
Spot on, Ullr Rover.
I couldn’t agree more.
Aww yes, involuntary human sacrifice… the mark of a civilized society!
Throw them to the lions, Caesar! If it is the gods way and they are worthy, they’ll emerge victorious to see another day!
Let us put the bodies of the weak upon crosses at the edge of town and have the ravens peck at their bones! This will let the wayward traveler know just how strong and mighty the the state of humboldt is!
Cull the weak! Cull the elderly! Cull the children! If the weak, ill and unfortunate do not die, perhaps they will at least be crippled for life! Anything to keep them from participating in our great darwinian society and dragging us down. Obviously they have nothing of value to add from their feeble, feckless, souls and will only hold us back!
What a dumb comment. There are lions, be smart and avoid them if you can’t fight them. If you can fight them, choose your weapons carefully. Only someone without any sense of self-responsibility would think it was Caesar putting the Lions out there and forcing you to confront them.
What a stupid comment. Many a soul has not wanted to battle the lion against their will. Many have survived and some have died. Some wanted to avoid the lions because they knew they didn’t have the weapons to fight them, but were thrown to them unsuspectingly by their fellow citizens or even loved ones anyway. They were torn to shreads. Others volunteered to jump in with the lions, but actually had no weapons at all. They were all so sure they could kill the lions with their bare hands, only some still found themselves succumb to the lions jaws. Many, many, others were wounded or escaped unscathed to fight another day. As long as we keep throwing people to the lions, the cycle will repeat, a percentage will be eaten or maimed . Obviously, you haven’t had your family members picked to make the ultimate sacrifice yet.
I’ve buried two. That’s my personal responsibility, to do my part to prevent more in my community from knowing that pain. You seem to be confusing your personal responsibility with your personal opinion. Spreading a potentially fatal virus far and wide is the furthest thing from responsible. You island against the world tough guys should spend some time in a covid ward and get back in touch with reality. Watch someone choke on their own insides. Hold their hands, look them in their eyes human to human as they struggle to take their last breaths. Make them comfortable because the medicine isnt working and thats all you can do. Then, console their family about their last moments on earth because they couldn’t be there. Tell them it was peaceful so they can sleep at night. That’s responsibility. That’s a weight that never goes away. That avoidable cycle continues on repeat.
every. damn. day.
People making choices how to live their life day in and day is not a culling. People die everyday and will continue to do so. Destroying the lives of millions is sacraficing people without regard.
Be smart. Take measures.
We make lots of choices everyday to curtail someone else’s behavior for our own safety. We call some things crimes to stop some of them. We make in and out doors at supermarkets because we like automated opening. We drag kids to school. We created property ownership. Politics, art, food, water when endless limits on free choice because there are always those who have no regard for others.
Vaccination is a measure. Wearing face masks is another. Closing mass gatherings another. That you object to it does not change that. Why do you insist it’s the total obligation of others to avoid the sick, which is impossible for almost everyone, so that you so not have to do anything you find objectionable? Do you not think there may be some shared responsibility in communities?
Much of what you call choices we make actually are not our choices. They are choices imposed on us whether we want them or not. How many of you chose the gas taxes we’re paying, the cannabis laws as they exist? Etc. It’s more like you give an agency an inch, and they take a mile while padding their pockets and corrupting their positions .
Sounds good AO but it just ain’t so.
🕯🌳Damn Fog Dog that was good. Prayers and condolences. 🕊🕊
Thanks Willie. It’s been a tough year+ now. We miss them everyday.
Really 60 people dead from cov in humboldt in two years. Hardly happening every day. But people do die every day from all kinds of things where’s the sympathy for them.
Or build fences to keep the lions out. Fight isn’t the only option.
…says the guy who probably lives in a house and wears clothes! I bet you rely on farming to supplement your diet, weakling!
Seriously, what is it with pseudo-libertarians thinking civilization is still all about gathering nuts and berries?
If you are healthy you dont need a vaccine. As we all know its mostly people with compromised heath. I hate saying obese people but unfortunately our human nature is to store energy. Coupled with readily available processed food we have a health epidemic more than a pandemic.
You have a very hi chance of not getting covid if you have a low stress healthy lifestyle.
The vaxers seem really stressed out.
Its not healthy people’s responsibility to get a vaccine for people who made poor decisions. Older people will need to take greater precautions especially if they are obese.
Its unfortunate that’s this virus is killing people stay safe and be healthy. It will be over eventually and I look forward to that day.
I will never listen to anyone demanding us getting vaccinated vmg ao, bushy trb.
Booster every 8 months sorry you all got fooled.
Yet vaxxers are mostly not the ones dying of this disease. “In Maryland, unvaccinated people make up about 96 percent of covid-19 infections, hospitalizations and deaths, according to state data.”
The same is true in Virginia, where 99 percent of covid-19 infections, 97 percent of hospitalizations and 98 percent of deaths are occurring among the unvaccinated, according to state data.” https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/most-severe-covid-cases-deaths-in-dmv-region-are-among-the-unvaccinated/ar-AANdk7v?ocid=BingNewsSearch
“When we look at the deaths that we’ve had over the past four days,” Mississippi State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs said. “We’ve lost four healthy people in their 20s, two of whom were pregnant, zero vaccinated.” https://www.magnoliastatelive.com/2021/08/13/alarming-number-of-healthy-young-adults-have-died-in-last-four-days-of-covid-top-doctor-says/
“Chad Dorrill, an apparently healthy second-year student, was living off campus and taking all of his classes online when he developed flu-like symptoms earlier this month, university officials said in a statement.” https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/healthy-college-student-19-so-much-life-ahead-dies-covid-n1241573
“Family members of a girl who lived in Tidewater Gardens said she died from COVID-19 complications on Friday, July 30.”
https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/virginia-covid-19-child-death-eastern-region-vdh/291-101532ad-8db7-49e9-af88-d5af2af91000
Oh we got a health epidemic alright!
The booster would be unnecessary if it weren’t for the antivaxxers. You all created a self-fulfilling prophecy.
That is absolutely false.
thatguyinarcata,
You are totally correct,
Juke Flywalker’s statement is totally false.
Only by allowing oneself to be vaccinated has one created the need for a their booster.
The unvaccinated will not be requiring a booster quite yet.
That won’t be true for at least another 9 months or so, even if the unvaccinated, start vaccinating, today.
And, no, it isn’t true that somehow the unvaccinated are responsible for the need for a booster among the vaccinated.
Blame is totally non-therapeutic, yet it is still, quite literally and figuratively, “applied liberally”.
Blame does more harm than good, LJ.
Shalom.
Did someone take away your illusionary safe space?
Welcome to the real world.
Just as addition to this for people to think about, If you go to the hospital for any reason and then test positive, as they have to test you to be admitted, you become a “hospitalized covid patient.” Don’t know how much that inflates numbers, but it is the truth .
This is false, and has been explicitly said to be false in previous press releases, where they said wording similar to “the hospitalization was determined to be for reasons unrelated to covid”.
Actually I was going to visit a family member in the hospital that had unrelated to covid back surgery, but because he tested “positive” he was admitted as a “covid” patient and I couldn’t “see” them.. asymptomatic covid patient, he sent me a picture of his paperwork.. you don’t think he was counted as a covid hospitalized person? You are drunk on being lied to. I’d post the picture but that would be rude to them, maybe they will tomorrow when they come home . I know you believe everything you read in press releases,. It unfortunately the truth gets smeared sand or not told at all.. it is not false. It is true and I’m sorry you can’t won’t believe it. It’s as real as aids.
There is a difference between being being infected with covid and thus unable to have visitors, and being counted in the statistics for people hospitalized due to covid. They’re initially counted, then removed once the case is researched, as you can see with updates like https://kymkemp.com/2021/06/17/13-new-cases-reported-today/ – “One hospitalization that was previously reported has been removed. Though the person tested positive for COVID-19, the reason they were hospitalized was unrelated to the virus. “
You are wrong.
I directly quoted what public health said, and provided a link to my source.
Thank you for your simple yet informative response! Unfortunately, it does not matter what we say because some of us are so untrusting of any government and so their conspiracies run wild and strong. It would be interesting to see if these same people also believe the earth is flat?
“The total number of residents who have tested positive for the virus now stands at 6,252.”
The County population is 134,000.
Why, when only 4.62% of the county has contracted Covid??? In other words, 95.38% haven’t caught the drama-flu.
Unflappable Jack,
In other words, those are the ones that tested positive, not the only ones that have been infected.
Big difference.
Plus, I am not following the reasoning, wouldn’t it be less dramatic, more like “just the sniffles”,
if 95.38% of the population of Humboldt got infected, with the same numbers of hospitalizations and death as we’ve had?
It seems like that would mean it was less serious. Seriously.
That only 4.6% have supposedly been infected, and let’s say, 59 or 60 have died, means 1,279 to1,301 total would be dead by the time, supposedly, everyone gets infected.
If 95.38% had supposedly already been infected, the opposite of what you deem insignificant, it wouldn’t be more serious, it would be less serious, as only less than 63 total deaths would be the potential outcome after everyone is infected.
And we would very nearly be there. A good thing.
I hope many, many, more, have been infected and recovered without even knowing it, than the positive tests indicate.
That would be much less serious.
Spin meets backspin.
Covid19 is no joke.
And,
The vaccines may have their advantages, but,
the vaccines also have their disadvantages.
By my calculations, one person is being sacrificed by vaccination, for every 50 or less people, the vaccines are intended to save.
The realistic sacrificed to saved ratio might be much, much, worse.
The booster can potentially increase vaccine casualties over 50%, for the people already vaccinated.
As far as what the vaccine can do to help,
Don’t believe everything you hear.
Listen very carefully to Fauci, when he speaks of herd immunity from the vaccine, it’s never a literal stand alone statement. There is always an ‘if’, an ‘and’, or a “but”, or some other kind of caveat, or disclaimer or some inachievable percentage of vaccination, goal, that he knows is not going to happen.
Or he adds , “plus recovered infections”, which means the vaccines could never achieve this on their own.
Or he’s talking about “other vaccines”.
Fauci speaks with a forked tongue.
He is as trustworthy as a serpent, as a snake.
🐍🦇
🥼🥼
It’s not a “conspiracy” I know some of you love to use that word.. and no, clearly the earth is not flat. I just went to space with virgin airlines
Keep them cases coming , looks like the unvaccinated will all be infected and the vaccinated will be waiting for their vaccine to peter out to get infected. What do you know , we all ended up in the same place, funny how that works out.
Except for the ones who die because they became very, very sick. And maybe the ones who didn’t die but still had long term damage from covid-19. Which is what vaccination is likely to prevent..
Gee, AO that sounds to me like everything else on planet earth. Trees get damaged and then they die,
animals, birds, every living thing. There used to be a song, there is a season turn,turn,turn.
But if you actually go and look at Pfizer, Moderna sites, you will see that gene therapy is very much on their agenda.
Has it occurred to you that you could be the Guinea pig that leads to “them” living forever? You know, like not dying?
Just wondering.
Perhaps some folks like the Amish prefer to go with the seasons of life and maybe they just aren’t afraid of dying..they might even believe death is actually a rebirth into something better and nothing to fear at all.
Just for the record, no I’m not religious, but yes I believe in God.
Religion is man made, but God made the things scientists try to figure out, math, ether, gravity, magnetism, biology etc.
Like nuclear power, what looks like a blessing can quickly turn into a living hell, think Fukushima. Then think of playing with your RNA, Fukushima looked great for a long while, until it didn’t.
I’m here mostly for the comments and won’t share my opinions but a word of advice. I know it’s hard for some people to understand but two people can have different opinions and both be “right”. Right and wrong are a complicated matter of moral perspective. I would strongly suggest enjoying your life now as I have been doing. Had many great times with friends the last 18 months and multiple fantastic intimate experiences, I suggest you all do the same. Best of luck to you all.
Best comment in months.
Thanks
Joe, this is for you, the longer the virus circulates in the population, the higher the likelihood it has of mutating into a new and potentially stronger variant. If everyone was vaccinated early (I know, to late), the chances are the virus would have died out in the wild, before it could mutate.
Let’s take a step back further.
If everyone had been RESPONSIBLE adults and actually locked down for 3-6 weeks at the beginning of all this, there would have been little to no need for a vaccine.
Kind of like all the vaccinated people who wanted nothing more than to go out and party and be social again who have helped continue to spread this virus.
This virus breeds on greed and selfishness. What better a host than we?
Logic first.
Can you imagine what it’s like being 16 or 17 yrs old and basically being grounded for the last 2 years?
That’s an important time in a teens life.
Boomer don’t care , just take your drug little fella, don’t worry about long term affects from the vaccine young person, because your protecting my boomer arse.
According to age, I’m a boomer, I care.
That’s what wrong with defining people in generalities.
I can. Must suck. Maybe a good time to reflect on the priveleges we as 95% of Americans have, even if we are the poverty class.
Can you fathom that an entire cultural shift must occur if any semblance of our modern luxuries are to be retained, such as the ability to have and store water, have arable land, wild foods and animal rangeland, not to mention roads and energy sources?
Things are changing. The plants and animals know it. Why don’t you?
This supposes there is no travel internally or internationally. If the lockdowns had been maintained and enforced by draconian measures your theory may have worked. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on your opinion, that didn’t happen.
If people were civilly responsible, of their own accord, and could pull their heads out of their asses for even a minute, draconian lockdown measures wouldn’t have been needed.
But now I’m living in more of a dreamworld than many of you here.
Personal responsibility goes a long way. It’s something shrugged off if even thought about these days. I’m only 34 and have watched my and the following generations shirk this. It’s sad.
New Zealand is going into lockdown, because they discovered one guy with Covid. First one in 6 months, and only 20% of NZ has had the vax. Apparently people there are willing to do the smart thing without a bunch of crybaby “patriots” screaming about “freedom”.
It also shows that protective measures, if implemented by all, work better than the vaccine.
Hello, the covid weapon is engineered to evolve into different strains to continue. Picture it with a brain that will live at all costs. Don’t underestimate it. The folks who have the best chance are ones with natural immunity, since more variants are on the way. Make no mistake,, they will come. Immune compromised are another story as well. One good place to look is the written papers the top dog from Moderna has published. Not hard to find for there are many there at the site. As a 2 time covid-19 patient, I have yet to be hospilized. I do my own research, talk to my physician, and make my decisions from there. Others should do what is best for themselves. Be vigilant against this weapon of war, be safe, and God bless.
🕯🌳So you’ve had it twice pissed off marine?🖖🖖
The local breakthrough case rate is 24%, the California breakthrough case rate is 19%.
“Public Health is urging residents who have yet to do so to get their COVID-19 vaccines, as it is the only protection against severe illness and death from the virus.”
Hi Kym,
I posted two replies to your reply to me, but neither of them showed up. I had this happen once before also. Does anything show on your end? Thanks!
Hugh, nothing in reply to me in the last two hours.
Thanks, I’m guessing it is the Akismet “spam” filter this comments section uses. They must use the same spam filter as Facebook and Twitter! Or maybe Angie runs it🤣
It seems only my posts with links don’t make it through, but they certainly were not spam.
Saturday, contact me by email and we’ll run some tests. [email protected]
I responded to Lone Ranger August 17, 2021 9:56 pm
and my response is gone.
No big deal, but my issue is still happening too.
I don’t expect a fix right now, as the fires are and should be much more important.
For some reason you are being held for moderation again. Unfortunately, I’ve already spent several hours on this and can’t fix it. But we are hoping to see a new commenting system up in the next few weeks. With any luck that will fix the issue. My apologies for the inconvenience now.
Kym, ☕, “Hiot” Coffee’s name is mispelled…
That would do it wouldn’t it?
Yes, good eye. That’s probably the issue. Try going back to Hot Coffee, HC.
Thanks Kym and Guest it seems ok at the moment.
Still kind of curious though as people use muli names and Kym has had to warn them one per thread, so wouldn’t it just look like a new poster? And this problem isn’t new, I’m wondering if wordpress is usurping Kym’s control, maybe added new filters?
When someone uses a new name, the commenting software holds them. However, once they’ve used it and I’ve approved the comment, then they can use that second name. Like you are now Hiot Coffee. I don’t usually look at the names of commenters. I look at the comments to see if they are breaking rules. So I often approve comments without noticing that the commenter has used another name. Also, in your case with a misspelling I never even noticed that this was misspelled.
I didn’t notice it either….but sometimes my arthritic fingers hit two keys at the same time.
Oh well, hope your adjustments work out in a couple of weeks.
Not a big deal, just confusing as you never know if a post will stick or not and why.
🧐Hopefully it saved some time and aggravation. Hopefully if that solved it, there wasn’t a delay because I am on moderation.🤔
😁
Kym, thanks for what your doing, today must have been a tough one.
I hope I helped, even if it was just a tiny bit.
I got an idea for a story, but it must wait.
It’s historic, it needs to be documented.
I’m starting to see that it’s my posts with links that get held up also.
Hugh, try leaving the web page up for a 1/2 hour, log out of Facebook, Twitter.
Enjoy your comments, would like to read them.
Thanks Misguided. Over 1/2 in the U.K. tested positive at a hospital after being admitted for a different reason.
I’m just saying, it inflates the numbers. As has been happening.. I’m not saying covid isn’t real and people have not suffered be ause of it, but we are being lied to in so many ways it’s gross.. wake up. There are not piles of dead people. The hospitals are not crazy like they are in movies and tv with patients everywhere dying and coughing up blood.. fear drives the narratives.
Except when the numbers of positive tests go up, the number of hospitalizations and later deaths go up. No one’s lying except anti vaxxers and they likely can see the difference. In various places at various times, there have been patients left in hallways because hospitals run out of rooms. The numbers are out there for all to see. The difference in reactions to the possibility is where the real divide happens.
The trouble with simply saying it’s not that bad here is that, if it does get that bad here, it’s too late to do anything about it. And it is possible to keep it from getting so bad by a few restrictions. So, if it’s your job to keep it from getting that bad, those restrictions seem the way to go. To prevent it while it is still preventable.
But the restrictions themselves cause problems. Such disruptions are damaging to the economy, the government, the psyche, to organization, to personal well being, to everything. It’s a big stress. There are those who refuse any limits, no matter how small, not matter how useful. There are those who become very fearful. And there are those who frankly become very used to not working and will never really be successfully employed again.
The balance is not easy to keep or even find.
Every one is lying to you.
That’s a lie!
Well there are more mandates coming….
Newsom: Statewide water restrictions possible
https://calmatters.org/newsletters/whatmatters/2021/08/california-drought-water-restrictions-newsom/
and meanwhile he continues to invite the entire un jabbed world to come here.
‘We’re a state of refuge’: Governor Newsom to welcome Afghan refugees to California
“I’m proud of the fact over the last decade California has taken in more refugees than any other state in America,” Newsom said at a rally to encourage Californians to vote against his recall.
https://thepostmillennial.com/were-a-state-of-refuge-newsome-afgahn-refugees-california
Lets not forget, he also called for all the homeless to come to ca. also.
What’s next for the citizens, Burkas?
Nancy Pelosi invited, no encouraged people to go to SF Chinatown to eat and party as the virus was discovered.
And you want us to trust these people?
My heart goes out to the Afghanistan people and everyone who served there. Also, to everyone here who now will never be trust again.
So, AO maybe you’re Bitching at the wrong people.
👆🏾Wut a shit-show, so much of the
above
You seriously don’t think you are being lied to at all?
👆🏾global-statement nothing-burger
You seriously think you are being lied to all the time by everyone?
No not all. Your responses are kind of juvenile.. but we are, as a generality, being lied to by politicians, corporations, etc quite often . If you don’t know or think or see that then I truly feel sorry for you.. vaxxed or unvaxxed
When there’s money, power, or influence to be gained; whole-heartedly YES!!!
Thank you Misguided Youth. How many locally went to the hospital for Covid and how many went to the hospital for something besides Covid but tested positive, is a good question.
Many of us just read here at RRBB that the Mendo cops lied, cheat and stole people’s crops and assets, A story Kym broke, yet they don’t think when you move higher up in the money game that anyone would lie, cheat or steal…jeez.
The power and control game is even worse.
Why is Kamala going to Saigon instead of McAllen, TX. or better yet Afghanistan?
Or the cops that recently lied about being in a crash. It don’t stop there. If you are so brainwashed as to think that the even more.powerfuk groups aren’t lying weather intentionally or because they actually don’t know shit if feel so bad for you, and will pray to your God for your eyes to be open.
Yep, Hot Coffee. They say, get the jab, safe and effective, but in Israel, one of the most jabbed countries, they have some of the highest infection rates anywhere, mostly in the jabbed (according to the New York Times, from today).
Why isn’t this Regeneron’s monoclonal antibody treatment being used in Humboldt county? It seems this treatment saves lives. What’s up with this county not offering monoclonal antibody treatment?
It’s use seems pretty limited to a few people likely to have very bad outcomes and was just recently approved. And it needs to be used within a very short time fame as a preventative, not a treatment. “Studies have not found antibody drugs to be effective in hospitalized patients with more severe illness, and they may even worsen outcomes, according to the FDA.” https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2021/08/17/6-things-to-know-about-the-regeneron-covid-19-treatment-gov-greg-abbott-is-using/
Maybe those factors means our small area of the country means it’s use is really going to be rare. Have you seen something that says it’s not available here?
I just read a piece on a generic drug that does seem to be effective at reducing COVID-induced inflammation and keeping folks out of the hospital— fluvoxamine. They have actually done randomized trials with it and it has shown pretty good effectiveness. Plus it’s cheap and safe, at least as long as the patient isn’t taking anti-depressants.
It however doesn’t replace vaccines because it doesn’t have any effect on the virus or viral load.
Yep, why take Regeneron and other preventives when you can get jabbed with a new unapproved, no liability, mRNA, experimental jab? (sar)
My body, Their choice?
Biden’s on TV, is he cleaning up the disaster he just made, No he’s pushing the jab… unbelievable the man that opened the border to the unjabed.
Because to take that medicine, which has its own warning page of possible side effects and is injected just as much as a vaccine with documented reactions in 4% of recipients, adverse reactions in 20% and is equally EUA only, then it reduced the progression of to symptomatic covid by 31% whereas the vaccine reduces it in excess of 80% . And their study was done prior to the rise of the Delta variant. You have risk getting sick first with all the unknown outcome that entails for it to be used. And it can, if not taken correctly, make a person sicker.
As long as you don’t try to persuade others that they are protected by totally unproven drugs, go ahead. Mostly they have been studied and found to be of questionable effectiveness. Take them all you want. Luckily most people will not be killed by them. They won’t be protected but they won’t likely be killed either.
There is a lot of they will and they won’ts in your post but no identification of who they is.
Are you “they”?
I have to know. Is one of these habitual commenters the waco guy from kmud talkshows a few years back?
THE wacko guy?! Only ONE wacko on KMUD?!! I stopped listening years ago. Those way-too-many talk shows are full of demented and confused mental cases each encouraging the others in their delusions… CrazyLand!
Are you kidding? Kmud has gone so mainstream you might like it now. Hahahana
Just in case you forgot to live in fear here is your daily reminder!Hide in your home and depend on your government for everything they have all the answers…not!!!
Hey farce, I mistook you for someone with history around here. 1 kmud whacko?wtf
i meant the waco whacko, my faded memory recalls the name Ron
wtf- Okay. I don’t know about this Waco whacko. I haven’t listened to KMUD talk show stuff for many years, decades maybe. Makes my head hurt. Except there are some targeted talk shows that are awesome (Fried Green Tomatoes, Environment Show sometimes). I took your comment as an opportunity to reply about the crazy people and their talk show madness. My neighbor lives alone in the hills and listens to it all…every time I see him I need to spend the first hour talking him down from chemtrail and alien conspiracy bullshit, it’s tiring. Have a great day!
What do you think it is they are spraying across the sky? It ain’t contrails I know that. I don’t know what it is, but it ain’t normal engine stuff. Thoughts?
The medical services and drug companies have been the largest donors to the democratic party. I know no one who has died from this BS. Flu. But a great deal of them from ODs/ suicide.
Don’t fall for this great lie you have been sold. This will all go away after the midterm elections 2.0 , you will see.
Take your ACE2 you dumb sheep!
Wait, wasn’t “this” all supposed to go away after the November elections?
wasnt this supposed to last 2 weeks to not overwhelm hospitals?
Did we all stay home and wear masks?….
If no one was in contact with each other than the virus doesn’t have a way to spread. But sadly, some of us are hell bent on not following health guidelines.
How the hell does a cohesive society or even the entire world stay home with masks on for weeks ? Gimme a break 😆😆
You don’t have to wear masks in your own home and obviously there has to be some workers but…really? everyone out and about was an essential worker?
“tell me your wealthy and privileged without teling me youre wealthy and privileged “
Actually, Fauci said long ago we’d be hitting herd immunity right about now.
Do you think we should still be believing what he says?
Delta variant.
“Masssk off”, “Masssk on”, “Half Masssk off”, “Half Masssk Back on”…
“No one should be forced to take the vaccine!”…
“We need more mandates!”
“There have been Zero breakthrough deaths!”
“Vaccinated people are dying.”
“The vaccination prevents spread!”
“The vaccine doesn’t prevent spread.”
He did not know anything about Delta Variant?
Did he never hear of Delta when it was in India?
And so he said back in December, herd immunity this fall, UNLESS their was a variant. Covered his ass.
There’s that trusty caveat.
I believe he may have said that 12/10/2020.
How can you be so sure he didn’t know of the potential for variants when he predicted we would achieve herd immunity by this fall, and that was not just an, “if” “and” or “but”.
He’s the top virologist, and he didn’t know?
Is he competent ,or not?
Or did he know it was unlikely or impossible to happen, and promised it anyway? Like he said how many would be necessary to vaccinate then kept raising the percentage because he thought more people would buy in to his pitch.
Or was that just setting us up for more excuses why it never happened.
Why aren’t you just saying,
“We didn’t make it to 90%
Like Fauci didn’t know that was never going to happen.
The flu vaccine has never been administered to more than 50%.
That was his plan B excuse.
The reason he kept upping the necessary percentage was because he was scared we might have achieved it and since he knew it wasn’t going to work made it an inachievable number.
Remember Kym, just like I can’t see what you are seeing in your office, we can’t see what is going on in his.
The vaccine was never designed to prevent infection. He should have never made any promises based on the assumption it would, even if it appeared to do that in the short term studies. Or because he thought he could get away with it.
Is Delta so much more serious really?
Yes the incubation period is less, yes the viral load is greater overall.
Is the hospitalization rate per case higher?
And if you listen to Fauci ever talk about herd immunity, either he is associating it with a different virus and vaccine, or he invariably adds the phrase, “or by infection”, to “vaccination” when speaking of how herd immunity will be achieved.
Kym, and I stress this,
Anthony Fauci, and Jonas Salk, are very different.
SarsCov2, and Polio are very different.
The Covid19 vaccines and the
Polio Vaccine are very different.
I’m sorry you believed in Fauci like he was like Salk.
He is not.
I am sorry you believed the Covid19 Vaccine was like or would be effective as the Polio Vaccine.
It is not.
I am sorry you believed that the Fauci, 99+% efficacy against serious illness and death, was the same thing as the Salk, 99+% efficiency against polio infection.
It is not.
I am sorry you thought the Fauci, Covid19 Vaccine, could provide herd immunity, or prevent infection and transmission.
The Salk Polio Vaccine is as real of a vaccine as you can get.
The Covid19 Vaccine is not.
I’m sorry you trust what Fauci says.
I do not.
That’s what I remember Ted Cruz, Trump and lots of Republicans saying. I see the goal posts have moved. Pathetic “patriots”.
Yes, but Biden won and now Hillary is getting revenge for losing. She wanted to run health care ever since Bill let her in the WH, the people objected, They didn’t want a 2 for one presidency, hence we now are living the Clinton Global Initiative.
Watch out for the Happy Camps.
Notice we are hearing more of Albright these days also, she’s the one who said there’s a place in hell for you if you don’t vote for Hillary.
I’ve never seen such a vindictive woman, willing to tour the world just to burn her country because she didn’t win. She is also the root of the Russia crap that lost this country 4 years of good will turning brothers and sisters against each other. And the Bush family is just as bad.
God save Puerto Rico and Haiti, where these families are entrenched.
I sure hope Maxwell decides to save her own skin and turns evidence that blows up the whole mess.
Do recall that Trump was a Democrat before he ran for office, search google images, and you’ll see Hillary hugging him when she wanted him to contribute to her campaign against Obama.
She hates him because he knows her secrets and he won. He doesn’t drink, but she sure does.
Do you also believe the world is flat?
“The only thing flat-Earthers have to fear is sphere itself,”
Triggered central in here 😂😂😂
IS IT THE MARK OF THE BEAST THO????
that’s not liberal
You think the unvaccinated should be tattooed on their forehead?
In my opinion, we are all affected by this new virus in one way or another. To me it feels like an evolving situation, stay smart, informed and respectful of each other’s space and health. There has been some contradicting info from the beginning and personally, to me, it seems a little confusing at times.
if you are still wearing a mask and telling people to get the jab….congratulations you FAILED the IQ test that is covid19.
Until we get through this I will continue to wear a mask when out, whether I am vaccinated or not. I know it’s inconvenient but if it just helps a little, I’ll do my part.
The covid topic is very speculative. Test are innacurate( Elon musk) so we basically are mostly in the dark with testing cycles.
This is a new virus and human biology is very complex. Lots of factors to take into consideration.
Like mental health in society and how our brains are being transformed by lack of personal contact substituted by screens.
Balancing the pros and cons of isolation, economic hardship, and government assistance then add in the health epidemic vs pandemic.
You see this is called seeing the bigger picture. Yes we need to take some measures to protect immune compromised people( people who don’t regularly exercise and hi intensity exercise=equal strong lungs)
We have all made sacrifices in more than what’s obvious. We need to learn to compromise and it’s not going to be getting jabbed. If we haven’t learned to be healthier and take preventative measures depending on our situations then we will never learn so learn to actually care about eachother instead of pointing fingers. Look in the mirror.
Except announcing that doesn’t make it true. In your vision only the fat die. In your vision PCR tests are all wrong. In your vision you are safe. It is not balance to interpret everything as a lie if it is disagreeable and the truth if it is agreeable. The information is out there. No one is hiding it. Most of what you say has some measure of truth. It’s just not all the truth. And it’s not the most significant truth for most people.
Oh yeah. Bra-i-i-nwashed said the the anti vaxxer.
Agree
****Medical Apartheid****
****makes second class citizens****
Auntie I agree with you it’s not just fat people it could be anyone. I don’t dislike fat people. Like I’ve said we are all one injury away from a rapid decline in health. We live in a stressful world and witness it every day the tole it takes on us. I wish we all could be healthier and nicer to each other. I actually genuinely care.
I try to put myself in others shoes. This is a tough situation. It’s almost impossible to trust pharmaceutical companies as you know and rightfully so.
The vaccine to me does not seem to be as effective. If I were to decide to get it I can’t trust that it’s being effective by lessening transmission. I dont want boosters every 8 months. In the end people will still suffer either way. But less is the argument. I just don’t see how me being vaxed will lessen other suffering if they get a Vax? The toll this has on society bothers me more because our group cohesiveness is compromised. We need to gell.
This is a country of many religious beliefs, Jewish and Islamic both have rules even relating to what foods they eat and how they must be prepared, The Amish have their beliefs, Jehovah Witnesseses, and many more.
So, just throw all these people under the bus for mandates? There goes the right to religious freedom.
Well, what happens when it’s a freedom YOU DO care about?
Maybe like your smart refrigerator door won’t open until your governor decides it dinner time or Fauci checks your calorie count
just pass your cell phone past the scan bar please.. Carlin was right , It’s a small club and you’re not in it. Even if you think you are at this point in time.
HC, Check out *Liberty and Health Alliance. *
They had informative live stream tonight kind of a repeat of a similar live event they had about a week ago. With lawyer Jonathan zirkle. And Sunday they had great steam on early treatment etc. Great info to be armed with whatever your position
We are fearfully and wonderfully made, and our bodies are temples that belong to GOD, not the government.
Thanks Got logic,
It was years ago, but I watched their whole series called Gods Generals.
It was a bio and history of all their early preachers.
I enjoyed the stories Wigglesworth told… lol
I’ve looked closely at many religions. Even after all that looking, I believe religion is what man made, adding their own traditions to what God made.
I agree We are fearfully and wonderfully made, and our bodies are temples that belong to GOD, not the government.
***A Campaign to Demoralize***
What would the Afghans think of our sensitive natute?