Humboldt County Public Health Recommends Masking Indoors Amid Rise in Delta Variant

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Woman in mask. [Can Stock Photo]

Press release from the County of Humboldt:

Humboldt County joins 25 other California counties in recommending that everyone, regardless of vaccination status, wear a mask indoors in public places.

As the highly transmissible Delta variant of COVID-19 is increasingly circulating locally, masking indoors is an extra precautionary measure for those who are fully vaccinated and ensures easy verification that all unvaccinated people are masked in those settings. The State of California requires unvaccinated individuals to wear a mask indoors.

Locally, the Delta variant made up 25% of sequenced samples in June, and health officials anticipate that number will increase. The Delta variant represents more than 50% of sequenced COVID-positive test samples statewide, according to the most recent genomic sequencing data from the California Department of Public Health. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention noted that the Delta variant is now responsible for 83% of new infections across the country.

Federal health officials have recently reported that more than 97% of people hospitalized nationwide for COVID-19 and more than 99% of those who died were unvaccinated.

People are recommended to wear masks indoors in settings like grocery or retail stores, theaters and family entertainment centers, even if they are fully vaccinated, as an added layer of protection for unvaccinated residents, including those with compromised immune systems and children under 12 who can’t yet get vaccinated.

Humboldt County Public Health Director Sofia Pereira said, “We still have many unvaccinated people in our community who are vulnerable to serious illness from this virus. Masking is a reasonable precaution we can all take in light of our recent case rate increase and the rise of the Delta variant.”

Humboldt County Health Officer Dr. Ian Hoffman said, “We’ve all sacrificed to get to a point where vaccine is widely available, and our gains in containing this pandemic have been hard won, so we don’t make this recommendation lightly.”

Dr. Hoffman added that Public Health will continue to closely monitor rates of vaccination as well as local virus transmission, hospitalizations and deaths and revisit this recommendation in the coming weeks.

Businesses are encouraged to adopt universal masking practices for customers entering indoor areas to provide better protection to employees and customers. Workplaces must also comply with Cal/OSHA requirements in regards to masking, including providing masks to unvaccinated employees. Fully vaccinated employees can also choose to wear a mask in the workplace.

Those who are fully vaccinated are well protected from infections and serious illness from known COVID-19 variants, including Delta. Health officials say vaccinating as many people as possible, as soon as possible, is the best defense against severe infection. Vaccines are safe, effective, free and widely available to everyone ages 12 and older.

A person is considered fully vaccinated two weeks after their second dose in a two-dose series, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or two weeks after a single-dose vaccine, like the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. Individuals with only one dose of Pfizer or Moderna are not fully protected. Completion of the vaccine series is necessary to provide full protection.

Visit myturn.ca.gov or vaccines.gov to find a vaccination site or call the COVID-19 Community Information Line at 707-441-5000.

Statewide data can be monitored at covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view. View local data on the Humboldt County Data Dashboard at humboldtgov.org/dashboard.

For the most recent COVID-19 information, visit cdc.gov or cdph.ca.gov. Local information is available at humboldtgov.org or by contacting [email protected] or calling 707-441-5000.

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Local COVID-19 vaccine information: humboldtgov.org/VaccineInfo
Humboldt County COVID-19 Data Dashboard: humboldtgov.org/Dashboard
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Mile
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Mile
2 years ago

Nope. Hard no. You got a problem call the cops, spoiler they don’t care.

ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
2 years ago
Reply to  Mile

DO NOT. I REPEAT DO NOT put that white flag of surrender on your face! We are winning and the vaccine works!! Dr Fraudci said it was so.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

Yes, no one should ever surrender to their evil plans to reduce deaths from a new virus!

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

It must be a cunning plan, because I certainly can’t see any nefarious reason to have the population to wear masks. The gubmint people must be in the pocket of Big Mask.

bearj
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bearj
2 years ago

do the research. Graphene in the masks. Graphene in the shots. Graphene in the PCR.

what you're doing is not research
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what you're doing is not research
2 years ago
Reply to  bearj

No graphine in vaccines/shots. PCR is not done in or to the body.

Who would benefit from a possibly carcinogenic substance being in some masks?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/07/10/graphene-oxide-in-pfizer-covid-19-vaccines-here-are-the-latest-unsupported-claims/

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

https://www.bitchute.com/video/kveWANxDFhwv/

Nuremberg 2.0 coming soon… Massive lawsuits filed. Over 50K deaths in US. Over 500K adverse reactions

Steve Adams
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Steve Adams
2 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

Lets see how long science studies last with Kim.

Most Recent Mask Studies

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1.full-text

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306987720333028

https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

5 NIH/National Library of Medicine studies from 2004-2020 all finding verifiable health effects from wearing a face mask, including scientifically verified reduction in blood oxygen level:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29395560/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32590322/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15340662/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26579222/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31159777/

Cloth Mask Study

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/

SOME of the mask studies on efficacy:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047217v2

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779801/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/

https://aaqr.org/articles/aaqr-13-06-oa-0201.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bio/23/2/23_61/_pdf/-char/en

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01658736

https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/0195-6701(91)90148-2/pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/pdf/annrcse01509-0009.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20200717141836/https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

https://www.nap.edu/catalog/25776/rapid-expert-consultation-on-the-effectiveness-of-fabric-masks-for-the-covid-19-pandemic-april-8-2020

https://www.nap.edu/read/25776/chapter/1#6

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/54/7/789/202744

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6599448/

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00392-020-01704-y

https://clinmedjournals.org/articles/jide/journal-of-infectious-diseases-and-epidemiology-jide-6-130.php?jid=jide

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1130147308702355

Anon
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Anon
2 years ago
Reply to  Steve Adams

Thank you !
I wonder if identifying the top 4 or 5 links re effectiveness and forwarding to the Board of Supervisors would be helpful to them ? 🤔 Forget Public Health, intractable.

ILoveplants
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ILoveplants
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon

rightsfreedoms.wordpress.com/2021/06/16/researcher-we-made-a-big-mistake-on-covid-19-vaccine/

Everyone that got the vaccine is slowly being euthanized! The animals in the trials all died or got euthanized because they became ill after taking the vaccine. The spike protein is a toxin that travels to your brain and other organs and kills you!

lol
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lol
2 years ago
Reply to  Steve Adams

It looks like you are not actually reading these papers. Not even reading (or understanding) the titles.

Specialist
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Specialist
2 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

PEOPLE. YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS . 👇👇👇

COVID-19 test has failed its full review.
Its Emergency Use Authorization has been REVOKED.
It is a Class I recall. The most serious type of recall.
Too many false POSITIVES!
This is the test that started the pandemic.
The test used in all the nursing homes in Washington and New York.
This was the ONLY test in use until May of 2020. 

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/medical-device-recalls/innova-medical-group-recalls-unauthorized-sars-cov-2-antigen-rapid-qualitative-test-risk-false-test

This should be a joke, but it isn’t. The CDC is ending use of PCR tests for COVID as of 12/31. Going forward:

“CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses”

Did you catch that?
“Labs should switch to new tests that can differentiate COVID vs flu”

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Specialist

Did you even read the links you posted?

The first one is the recall of a specific antigen, not pcr, test, over a month ago. Apparently a private manufacturer sold 77,000 tests that sucked, and were not approved, even for emergency use, by the FDA. Looking at their original complaint, it seems the manufacturer tried getting an EUA using false data (they literally copied and pasted another manufacturer’s real data), and the FDA denied it – but the manufacturer attempted to sell it anyway. It was a bogus, unapproved product, and the FDA is doing their job and getting it off the market. You should be happy about this. A company attempted fraudulent activity which was stopped by a government agency to protect the public.

Everything else you say about it (how widely it was used, nursing homes, etc) is total bullshit, per your own link.

The second is simply the CDC saying that they will no longer manufacture and distribute their covid tests past the end of the year, and labs have five months to switch to one of the many commercial alternatives. This is to be expected, as now that there’s a robust commercial supply of such tests, it’s not the CDC’s job anymore.

They’re not saying the test can’t differentiate between covid and the flu. They’re saying that labs should test for both, as many people with covid symptoms will actually have the flu, now that covid numbers are lower and flu cases are going back up.

Neither the CDC nor anyone else is ending the use of PCR tests. This is more bullshit you’ve invented.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Bullshit, just like most of the “COVID Comments” in the “comment section”…

Bullshit just like most of the reasons for “anti-vax”, and:

Bullshit, just like most of the reasons why vaccinated people should wear “masks”…

Face-rags are for those too silly to get vaccinated, for whatever puerile reason!

Get vaccinated now! We can beat COVID id everyone just takes their shots!

Starr's Brew
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Starr's Brew
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Just like the covid vaccines do not harm and kill all people – Covid does not harm and kill all people.

In fact if you are healthy and do not have any health risk, I recommend you catch covid. I am 56 years old and had covid 7 months ago. My antibody count for covid is higher than what you get with two shots of pfizer or moderna.

I have cared for people 2 people with delta variant. I didn’t catch covid, in fact my natural immunity works better than some of the covid vaccines.

Think about the rest of the world..you think the vaccine will put an end to this pandemic? There are over 100 million people worldwide that do not have access!

A combination of things will end the pandemic – alternative medicine/cures, natural immunity and. yes vaccines.

Wearing masks and blaming unvaccinated people will not end the pandemic.

Ms Jane Doe
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Ms Jane Doe
2 years ago
Reply to  Starr's Brew

I am curious how much you paid and to whom to discover how high your antibody count is and how high anyone’s who has been vaccinated is. I do not believe that covid antibody count is generally available. Please enlighten us.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

There appears to be two separate things discussed in those two links. The second one is a simple notification about this;

“After December 31, 2021, CDC will withdraw the request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel, the assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2 only. CDC is providing this advance notice for clinical laboratories to have adequate time to select and implement one of the many FDA-authorized alternatives.”

That appears to be different than the Innova Medical product talked about in the first link. But its not entirely clear to me what the second link recall relates to. It appears to be a specific product but I didn’t find a product name clearly. Odd

FogDog
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FogDog
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Well said, Bushy tails.

BBB
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BBB
2 years ago
Reply to  Specialist

Well it very clear to me you have done your homework. Few bother. It’s so much easier to believe the mainstream media, collaborative federal and big Pharma, the business model profiteers, and ignore the worlds top virologist, Dr. Geert Vanden Geert, Dr. David Martin, and a host of other professionals who state what you say. And far worse because the vaxxxed are shedding spike proteins, and are the “new wave” of infections if one is to believe the current false positives e producing tests.

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  BBB

Blessings to all JEDIS….down with the Nazi scum

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  ILoveplants

Kym,
Am I the only one that thinks this this comment is out of line?

While on moderation?

It’s borderline at best.

It’s way worse than “Liberalism is a mental disorder”, or ” You’ve got egg on your face.”

Who is he replying to, anyway?

Or did someone confuse RHBB for Tinder, or Grindr?

Oh hope it wasn’t me being confused just because I don’t think such a question as, written, belongs on RHBB.

It’s tasteless, lacks context, it’s irrelevant, too personal, it’s offensive, prying, and lacks even remotely being humorous.

If this comment flies under the radar, it opens a whole new can of worms.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Really?

Maybe just naive? I suppose it’s possible.

No offense. D is slang, Kym. Vulgar slang.
It’s relatively new.
Think younger generation than ours. Think 40.
That’s where it’s coming from.

What is the meaning that you gather?

He’s just curious as to what exactly?

Route?

And too which commenter was it directed?

Same MO?

You think he was talking about vitamins?
Where is there any reference to that?

No reference anywhere.

A reaction to a bad grade?
Unlikely.

No class referenced.

Just a letter? I don’t think so. That makes no sense.

He thinks it’s funny.

He’s pushing the envelope as far as he can, constantly dreaming up new ways.

Too far if you ask me.

By abbreviating. And punning. Clever!

It’s offensive. Deny it all you want. If you would prefer not to see it, I don’t blame you, I totally agree, in a way. Just don’t blame me for being nefarious here. Your barking up the wrong tree.

Is it really necessary for you to throw shade on me from a defensive position?

Defend him all you want.

Deflect, if you want.

Maybe first, you should look up the urban dictionary definition for “D” ? Hint: it’s an abbreviation.

Maybe you’ll find it actually is something that might be considered particularly awful, and maybe it is something you would just prefer not to grasp. Literally. Perfectly understandable.
🙈🙉🙊
It’s pretty simple,…

To determine whether it was an offensive comment or not it only needs to be redirected back to it’s source.

Ask him how HE likes to take HIS D.

Tell him your asking just because your really curious. (If that’s not too extra creepy)

If he doesn’t answer, it is because his comment was offensive.

What’s he going to say?

With tap water?

With a preferred beverage?

A specific quantity?

It wasn’t a question.

It was an insult, in the form of a question.

A vulgar insult.

Maybe you’ll recognize it the next time.

Maybe not.

Yet you dirt me because I recognize it as what it is.

Somehow you twist it and spin it to make me look bad.

Same MO.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

I assumed they were referring to the vitamin based on some past discussion I don’t remember. I will admit that both options crossed my mind, and I was tempted to reply with a joke about my favorite positions, but decided that wasn’t useful…

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

“Apparently”, it “appears” I am actually not the only one that is finding a nefarious
meaning.

And since his previous associated insult, which includeda self proclaimed, “Vitamin D joke reference 5 minutes into the 24th on a previous thread, which he also mentions, for some reason, Kym won’t allow, was either directed at Prof quiz, or Bearjoo.

But only Bearjoo’s comment preceded this poorly disguised, disgusting comment, it was somewhat clearly directed especially at Bearjoo, not Prof quiz.

So he actually carried his “focus”
on Bearjoo from one thread to another.

Should I say, followed?

Now why might that be, hmmm?

It’s reminiscent of his Hermann Cain, “advantages of ignorance” Covid19 death references, (which he was also called out on for their inappropriateness, and they, too, were allowed),
type of somewhat nuanced, thinly veiled, ugly racist comments that becomes even more distasteful when he now focuses, for no other apparent reason than perceived ethnicity, on Bearjoo’s comments.

I see a pattern, as well.

Do you see it, too?
Herman Cain’s
Death as a topic, and now an inappropriate focus and insults towards Bearjoo’s comments?

That’s some SS type bullshit there, folks.

It’s over the line, IMHO.

In congregate, his comments are not only offensive singularly, when viewed together, it’s obviously some Nazi or supremacist rhetoric.

But, “egg on your face” is verboten?

That’s wack.

Thanks Bushy, for the confirmation that I was, in truth, not the only one that caught the inference.

And, yet, no word back on the alternate definition of “D”.

Unyielding seems to be a favorite position.

That or unresponsive.

How are those for favorite “position” jokes?

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  Mile

The cops do care about trespassing. Which is what you will be charged with if you refuse to comply with the rules of a private business.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Ah, California. The only place you can steal $999.00 and only be charged with trespassing.
Where hard core drug dealers are never sent to jail.
And the Governor invites the homeless to move in from across the country, and set up a flea market with the stuff they stole… while the people nod approvingly.

hmm
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hmm
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

There is no longer a charge for petty theft?

BBb
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BBb
2 years ago
Reply to  hmm

Petty? Try operating a store selling clothing only to have a punk walk in and walk out with under $990. No one stops them for fear of being politically incorrect. Hamstrung. These thieve are not stopped, and if so, given a slap on the wrist. Walgreens has shut its SF stores. San Francisco has deteriorated on every level. The “woke” will be eaten by their foolish political philosophy.

Mama
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Mama
2 years ago
Reply to  Mile

Hi, I really wish the local news/public health had reported that Delta Variant has different symptoms than the old variant. I thought my daughter had a sinus infection or just a summer cold but now I’m getting her a covid test because the symptoms present differently and more likely to cause symptoms like a stuffy, runny nose.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/doctors-warn-about-slightly-different-symptoms-with-delta-variant-of-covid/amp/

Nomames
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Nomames
2 years ago

2 weeks to flatten the curve a year ago has turned i to 2 years and counting and you still call us crazy conspiracy theorists

😂😂😂

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Nomames

Noah’s Ark.

The flood arrived and we had a chance to avoid it collectively for a short time. Everyone was invited.

You did not come aboard, and now with all the bodies in the water, yours included, we have to stay aboard a bit longer, or forever.

what?
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what?
2 years ago
Reply to  Nomames

Flattening the curve was an initial goal. How can you be so confused?

lol
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lol
2 years ago
Reply to  Nomames

You are confused. The “flatten the curve” thing involved staying at home, and it worked.

Misguidedyouth
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Misguidedyouth
2 years ago
Reply to  lol

Uhhhhhhhhhh… Worked how? Because mainstream news told you we “saved million$?” You can’t see thru that?;

BBB
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BBB
2 years ago
Reply to  lol

It did? LOLS:-)))

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  lol

Whose “we?”

Ms Jane Doe
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Ms Jane Doe
2 years ago
Reply to  Nomames

Only because so few people took it seriously and so many refused to comply.
Looking at charts documented with actual numbers it is pretty clear that when and where there is compliance, the numbers go down. Then complacency sets in and the numbers start to go up….

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
2 years ago

Adults have had over three months to get vaccinated. There’s a limit to how far we should go to protect morons who refuse to get vaccinated.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

I think that the variants that develop in unvaccinated people should worry us still. The mutations, like the much more transmissible and affecting younger people Delta, can be more resistant to the current vaccines. It is possible that another variant could come along that the current vaccines can’t handle.

While COVID is NOT an influenza, there is a lesson from the Influenza epidemic of just over a century ago. It went through mutations that targeted different groups in the 3 (possibly 4) waves that occurred over a couple of years.

I bought some more masks, just to have on hand.

namer
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namer
2 years ago

Nice move.

Blame the unholy, unvaccinated for mutations.

It’s a rarely attempted ploy (much like the wish that herd immunity is necessarily a result of vaccination alone), that only came after expert warning that the vaccinated should be expected to be the incubators of new variants.

*This is not a recommendation to buy, sell, or hold MNRA stock—while dumping positions of PFE and JNJ as an investment strategy, and attempting to discard unwanted stockpiles of the latter two experimental injections upon those who fail to comparison shop for a preferred injection with bribe offerings involving one (1) per person of the following concessions: Preassembled marijuana cigarette; hotdog or taco.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  namer

97% of those currently hospitalized with Covid are unvaccinated.
Spin it all you like otherwise, but the unvaccinated are the bulk of the vectors.
The myriad of ways you guys are pretzeling yourselves to object to masks and vaccines is entertaining.
Blaming vaccinated people for believing “ propaganda “ while mass consuming skeevy antivax website propagandist bullshit and fancying yourselves “informed”. Go ahead, don’t wear a mask, don’t get a vaccine, and thank the vaccinated for lessening your chances of encountering a Covid vector.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

For the sake of others, vaccinated and unvaccinated, don’t just assume the vaxxed aren’t spreading Covid19 just as much or more than the unvaxxed. That’s not true.

Think of the cumulative effect.

They are the ones more likely to be unmasked, out and about, in to close of proximity to others, while contagious.

The unvaxxed are more likely to be masked still, and distancing still.

They are more likely to be actually trying not to get sick.

Whereas the vaxxed think they are all bulletproof, and invincible, crowding everyone, and each other, regardless.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

“The unvaxxed are more likely to be masked still, and distancing still.”

LOL.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

🤔🧐Laugh all you want,
Bushytails.

🤪You should have thought that through a little more, maybe.🤪

Would your opposing assertion then be that,

🤪”The vaxxed are more likely to be masked still, and distancing still” ???🤪

Yeah, you maybe should have thought that one through a little more,
Bushytails.

Talk about LOL.

More like,

RAOTGLMFAO.

😅😂🤣🤣😂😅

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Thanks Guest.

“The delta variant means that the virus will likely continue to spread,

even among people who have been vaccinated

and even in a highly vaccinated country, like Israel.”

https://www.fr24news.com/a/2021/07/the-covid-epidemic-in-israel-mainly-affects-fully-vaccinated-people-what-is-happening.html

Prof. Quiz
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Prof. Quiz
2 years ago

Are the variants from Unvaxxed or VAXXED? The burden of proof is on YOU.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

Vaccinated people are much less likely to get infected. If you’re not infected, you’re not mutating the virus.

namer
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namer
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

In Re: “Less likely to get infected,” that is a completely false claim.

No science.

Myth.

Fail.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  namer

Multiple studies have shown that vaccinated people are much less likely to get infected. This is science. Here’s an example:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00947-8/fulltext
“Adjusted estimates of vaccine effectiveness at 7 days or longer after the second dose were 95·3% against SARS-CoV-2 infection, 91·5% against asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection, 97·0% against symptomatic COVID-19, 97·2% against COVID-19-related hospitalisation, 97·5% against severe or critical COVID-19-related hospitalisation, and 96·7% against COVID-19-related death.” (quote edited for clarity by removing raw data)

Rather than no science, there is in fact good science on this topic. You should read and listen to it.

Specialist
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Specialist
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

IF EMPLOYERS DEMAND VAX OR STATUS YOU MUST DO THIS.

WE MUST PUT AN END TO MANDATES & RESTRICTIONS OVER THE 99.7% DISEASE.

👇👇👇👇👇👇

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  Specialist

On the internet, you never know if the poster is a dog. Or my cat. he’s pretty smart.

A completely unknown blurb from who? Well that settles it!!!

Like Abraham Lincoln famously said in 1864:

“The problem with internet quotes is that you can’t always depend on their accuracy”.

I know this quote is true because I read it on the internet!

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago

Lol

Specialist
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Specialist
2 years ago

It is not meant to settle anything Angela. It is a tactic to deal with oppressive measures. Doesnt matter who said it. For all I know, you could be a parakeet posting.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  Specialist

It does indeed matter. It could be completely made up BS.
It’s not even a link, just some image of something someone wrote. It has absolutely no provenance at all.

Just like Lincoln said. 🙂

As for it being a “tactic”, yeah good luck with that. There are “tactics” on the internet on how to not pay income tax because of some imagined legal loophole. There are “tactics” for a lot of things that not “tactics” at all. And by posting completely unverifiable info, you might be spreading false (and possibly costly to those who try it) information. Based on what again? Some rando on the internet?

Reminds me, sadly, of an article I read this morning (actually a couple of different articles) about anti-maskers protesting, for the second time, in front of a cancer treatment center. Because it required masks. One cancer patient wound up being punched by an anti-masker. This was at the Cedar Sinai cancer treatment Clinic down south in the LA area.

I suppose that is a kind of “tactic”, too.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Specialist

Like how successful sovereign citizens are at keeping out of jail? Hello? Employers already know if their employees have communicable diseases and told them to go home if they are sick. And, since vaccination for children for things like mumps and measles is so high in the US (like 95%) they can safely assume vaccination. Only in the current world of internet idiocy would this fictitious posturing over covid-19 vaccination be viewed as serious.

BTW unless their job is to have sex with fellow employees or customers, most of that list is just grandstanding for effect. If you caught an STD from a fellow employee, your probably going to be fired anyway.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago

Angela Robinson,

Here are a couple of internet quotes off the internet, from Lincoln.

“I am a firm believer in the people if given the facts, they can be depended on to meet any National crisis.
The great point is to bring them the real facts.”

Or this one, that kind of goes nicely with the first,

“The trouble with too many people is they believe the realm of truth always lies within their vision.”

lol
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lol
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

But people were given misinformation from the right wing, who thought that the truth lied in their vision.

namer
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namer
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

I’m not sure how serious you are about requesting that I consider adjusting your homework grade, so a little prescreening is in order. The following questions are intended to evaluate your preparedness to discuss scientific research design and engage in critical thinking-based conversation pertaining to conclusions derived from research—especially where volumes of relevant materials could be sifted through, in a dynamic environment.

Were any of the participants in the Israel observational study tested prior to the study for preexisting covid antibodies?

Was there a control group?

Have the authors responded with conversation to changing infection rates in Israel in the months since the linked article was published?

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  namer

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3718494-three-quarters-of-new-covid-19-cases-in-singapore-are-among-vaccinated-people

75% of new covid infections in Singapore are among the vaccinated. This is a CULT based on LIES.

Call me crazy
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Call me crazy
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

Thanks for the simple facts, presented, with simple straightforward intention of helping others break their grip on a false contrived reality propagated by mainstream media and government agencies.

Littlefoot
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Littlefoot
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Yet here you are worrying about contracting variants. You guys can either catch the variants or you can’t, you don’t get to sit here and say, “Only unvaxxed catch variants except when they give it to vaccinated people.”

You guys seriously believe unvaccinated people are just all walking Wuhan Labs now? Your TV has you literally afraid of the breath of other HUMAN BEINGS. That’s not trusting science, that’s believing propaganda.

How about we put this energy toward holding the people who leaked this virus accountable?

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  Littlefoot

Excuse me but yeah, I don’t make it a habit of breathing in other peoples breath if I can help it, even before Covid. But if that’s your thing, by all means , breathe in deep the breath of strangers because if you don’t you are not acknowledging that they are HUMAN BEINGS. ( Jesus, you people amaze )

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Bushytails,

BUT, if you ARE vaccinated AND then infected, you are providing an opportunity and a human environment for the first step of a pass-through adaptation of a vaccine resistant variant.
When and if you might spread it to someone else who is unvaccinated, like your children, or someone else’s children, you have also provided the second step, and the vaccine becomes obsolete.

This is why it might even be more important for the vaxxed to remain masked and distanced.

Had you even considered that? I doubt it. Yet it is the vaxxed that are supposedly the considerate ones.

That theory kinda crumbles around their masking and distancing cessation.

The vaxxed are much less likely to be doing that, because losing the mask and distancing, is precisely the payoff, offered up by our genius health 🤪”experts”🤪.

🤪Official and unofficial.🤪

You still masking and distancing, Bushytails?

silly
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silly
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

That is not how selection works with viruses. Viruses do not adapt to vaccinations via breakthrough cases.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  silly

Why not? Is the partial immunity conferred by the inoculation not a selection criteria that would only allow the reproduction of a mutated strain that can evade the partial immune response?

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago

It seems tat way to me, but I am no epidemiologist, to be sure, that guy.

You seem to be knowledgeable.

Thanks for your input.

silly
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silly
2 years ago

No. The variation of immune response to the vaccine itself amongst individuals is overwhelmingly the cause of breakthrough cases. Not viral evolution.

A strain may evolve that evades the immune system of those with antibodies, but evolution requires reproduction, and the virus is FAR more likely to reproduce in the unvaccinated. When a vaccinated individual contracts an infection, they are typically ill for less time and have a lower viral load.

Given this there is considerable concern over dangerous variants evolving in the unvaccinated, and very little concern of vaccinated individuals being a selective pressure for new variants of any kind.

It is foolish to think that with no training at all in the biological sciences, you would identify an important factor that experts have not.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  silly

But we are talking specifically about variants that are resilient against the immunity conferred by vaccination.

There clearly are plenty of cases of vaccinated folks getting infections, including infections that require serious medical care. In those cases there is viral replication happening in an environment where the immune system of the patient has been trained to respond to the presence of a particular form of spike protein.

That would seem like a ripe territory to select for viral mutations that can evade the immunity granted by these mrna jabs.

Viral replication within an unvaccinated person might well lead to mutations that spread more easily, but there is no selective pressure toward evading the vaccine induced immune response.

And there are experts in immunology, virology, and infectious diseases who have expressed this exact concern. It is true that the dominant voice that is portrayed is telling us that this is not a concern but there is certainly ongoing debate.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-vaccines-can-drive-pathogens-to-evolve-20180510/

This article is from 2018 if you want to see what calm, rational, scientific discussion looked like before all the madness began

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  silly

WasWhat am I missing. Your telling me that isn’t how it works , I learn by being told how it does work.

If a vaccinated person picks up a virus and that they pass on to another vaccinated person or non vaccinated person, possibly related, that doesn’t assist in a vaccine resistant mutation?

Or what if the person was already recovered, got vaxxed anyway then was exposed again, possibly another strain, and then passed it on?

Or does it not matter if one is vaccinated or not, and mutation eventually might defeat a vaccine just by being different enough?

What if there were more than one strain released initially that were unlike enough to not be covered by the same vaccine like the flu.

Antibiotics contribute to antibiotic resistance.

Is that not how it works with Vaccines?

What about lower efficacy vaccines or in the event of only one dose in a two dose regimen contributing to vaccine resistance?

How does it work?

Bouncing around from vaxxed to unvaxxed all willy-nilly?

Bouncing around among the unvaxxed?

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Thanks Guest.

In the uk.

“The scientists warned that the combination of high infection prevalence and high levels of vaccination “create the conditions in which an immune escape variant is most likely to emerge.”

https://www.local10.com/news/world/2021/07/16/uks-top-medic-warns-of-scary-covid-numbers-in-hospital/

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Thank you AA,

You always on point with the AAA links.

It sure seems to me like the challenge the virus would be faced with overcoming would be the vaccines effect, whatever that might be.

And multiple vaccine types would increase the likelihood that one of them would be defeated by an evolved strain.

We have a possibility of 3 different vaccines for strains to evolve around.

So we may be creating not just one, but three, or more, because strains evolving in different hosts could evolve differently to become vaccine resistant in different ways.

Maybe a single Vaccine offering would have been safer.

Keep one or two for backup.

But I guess with three, if only one or two are deadly, there will be some that took the other who will survive.

The other consideration no one will respond to is, if everyone is vaccinated there will no longer be a control group to study and compare the experimental vaccine to.

Maybe that’s the point.

If Delta is so bad, they didn’t do us any favors keeping us all from getting the milder version, did they?

Maybe Atlas was right.

I had considered the same thing.

A controlled minimum exposure to the mildest variant.

For the healthy.

Now we could do this with people who are vaccinated.

A small chance of serious illness but it might create greater protection or immunity to more serious variants, like Delta.

Flattening the curve just extended the duration.

That may have bought some time, but that time may have created more serious problems that we now face.

Maybe we should have just gotten it over with.

Call me crazy
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Call me crazy
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

We need a vaccine for bad government, and their corporate goons.

silly
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silly
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Antibiotics contribute to antibiotic resistance, but that is mostly a factor of over prescription and patents failing to complete the course of the drug. There are also key difference in bacterial and viral evolution/ecology/epidemiology.

The parallels here are few. Consider taking a couple years of biology classes if you want to understand this stuff.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  silly

You should consider checking your arrogance and condescension. Vaccine resistance was an issue on the mind of the virological community before covid. Maybe take a moment to recognize how hard the propaganda is being pushed right now to lead you to believe that anyone who suspects that universal vaccination may not be the ideal model doesn’t understand biology

Ms Jane Doe
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Ms Jane Doe
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

I am vaxxed (since February) and I still mask up and distance. I am determined to not get or spread covid.
My child is in the far east in a covid hot spot and will not get vaccinated. I worry every minute.

bearjew
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bearjew
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Q5dS6J66BCcQ/

Dr. Peter Mcullough is an insider and a whistleblower… just watch before jabbing thyself

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

It sure seems like any variant that develops a vaccine workaround, would be more likely to develop that vaccine workaround in the vaccinated group.

Ya think?

Seems like kinda a no brainer.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Unfortunately for the people who think the virus does not mutate quite happily on it’s own, It did repeatedly before the vaccine ever existed. Including every one of the variants circulating now.

Vaccine resistance could possibly happen or not as sometimes it has and sometimes it hasn’t. But so far there is no evidence that it will or that, if it does, it would be more deadly. And why would a person who refuses to get a vaccine in the first place care whether it does or doesn’t? They’re not going to get vaccinated anyway. That’s just a bad case of ugly vaccine freudeenschade.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Or since the lab the virus was released from is still operational, and the people who created and released the virus are still working at the lab, wouldn’t it be pretty simple to whip up Covid-20 with some vaccine resistant spike protein modifications? What’s the point of a vaccine if the people and lab that created this virus is still operational? Especially in a country that is currently committing genocide and just overtly threatened to nuke Japan last week? Who is ignorant enough to think the Chinese who love everybody wouldn’t do that?

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago

I think that is very possible 1911. Or something similar.

I, too, question the logic,or sanity, of trying to clean up a mess, prior to finding the source of it, and dealing with that first.

Ms Jane Doe
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Ms Jane Doe
2 years ago

Another myth.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago

Of course anti vaxxers could be whipping up a vaccine resistant virus too. Lots of thing are possible. Proof is another thing.

And the reason to get vaccinated is to survive and thrive. That doesn’t change with someone created the virus or not. Or could create a new virus or not.

Your unvaccinated future-

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

“Six months after the coronavirus hit Bergamo, Lombardy’s worst-hit province, which was Italy’s worst hit region, nearly half of the survivors still haven’t recovered, and are dealing with a range of problems. “

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago

Nuking Japan is kind of a big deal, yet all the news plays is Covid.
Odd don’t ya think.

you are depressing
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you are depressing
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

The more people who are vaccinated the fewer potential hosts there are for the current variants (because breakthrough cases are a tiny fraction of cases) and thus less opportunity for the virus to mutate.

Given that it is far more likely that dangerous new strings will develop because of the large number of people who will choose into not be vaccinated.

Steve Adams
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Steve Adams
2 years ago

If that were true the death counts should be increasing according to your logic. At the CDC, the numbers are falling. Scaremongering.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

They’re spreading it and getting it.
My only sympathies go out to those that CAN’T get vaccinated because of health reasons that these self centered jackasses may infect.
Wearing a mask is asking too much of these narcissists.

nevertrustacop
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nevertrustacop
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

the vaccine does not stop the spread. it only lessens symptoms. keep your story straight. NO CONSISTENCY IN THIS BS
🙊🙉🙈

Thirdeye
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Thirdeye
2 years ago
Reply to  nevertrustacop

The reason it lessens the symptoms is the same reason it lessens the spread. It reduces the viral load. Consistent enough for you?

Littlefoot
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Littlefoot
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

So what youre saying is asymptomatic spread is less likely, correct? So how is it unvaccinated people are supposedly spreading this so rampantly? Are they all walking around in public while they’re sick openly coughing on people? I somehow doubt that’s the case.

Either this thing spreads easily asymptomatically or it doesnt, you can’t say unvaxxed people spread it and vaxxed don’t.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Littlefoot

Because frankly 80% of those who you call asymptomatic are just pre symptomatic. Their virus loads are quite high- in fact highest just before they develop symtoms. While vaccinated people are asymptomatic because their immune system is dealing with the virus before it replicates enough to make them sick. They stay asymptomatic.

think please
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think please
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Just like with most viruses there are a couple days where people have only minor symptoms and go around exposing the rest of the public.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  nevertrustacop

Except it does stop the spread. Reliable studies have shown you are much less likely to be infected at all if you are vaccinated. If you’re not infected, you’re not spreading it.

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

What I like is how the people who say the unvaccinated are potentially spreading so much disease, constantly.

Like, it’s been 19 months of Covid19. And what each person who gets Covid19 is contagious for what? Let’s say for simplicity, 19 days?

So that means 31 times they could have been contagious 31 times and gotten over it right?, wrong! The could have only been contagious 1/31 of the time since Covid19 began. The jabbers act like every non-jabber is a threat 24/7/365! It’s bullshit.

The get it for 19 days or two weeks or whatever and then is done, not contagious after that.

Unlike the jabbed who are 6.72 more likely to get infected after and then spread it spread it.

Compared to the non jabbed recovered vaxxers are 6.72 time worse virus vectors.

That’s where that reduced viral load of crap goes right out the window.

How long does a vaxxed person remain contagious if they get it?

And don’t give me this non vaxxed is driving variants mumbo jumbo, it’s the vaxxed getting infected that creates the opportunity for a viral variant with a vax workaround.
The non vaxxed getting sick isn’t going to do that, there is no vax to work around.

Sorry, Angela Robinson, not directed specifically at you.

I love your comments, and I’m sorry about your acquaintance lost to Covid19.

You very well could be right about the un vaxxed infections creating super bugs, it is certainly possible.

The unvaccinated will not be contagious constantly. That is fairly certain. And as time goes on they will be more likely to have natural immunity.

The vaxxed are likely to be contagious at times as well.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

🤔🧐, To whom it may concern,
If you could have a conversation with yourself about all you’ve learned, and about how that has been affected by your beverage of choice, how would the conversation go?😁

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Lol

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Thanks, Yeah, sure.

Y’all are a pretty tough crowd.

I wish the comment would have been left.

I thought I fixed it.

It was no longer an insult to another commenter…

But now that it’s gone…

And the context of my comment totally changes…

🤔🧐Somehow my comment isn’t that funny any more.

What happened?😁

🤔🧐 Any way we can put dudes comment back up? 😁

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Thanks Guest.

“Vaccines don’t always stop people catching Covid-19.

The data suggests that the fully vaccinated have 1/7 of the chance of catching Covid-19

compared to someone who is unvaccinated.

This observation is based on comparing test positivity.

4% of those completely unvaccinated had Covid-19,

while 1.9% of those with one dose tested positive

and only 0.6% of those who had received two shots tested positive. According to the ZOE data an estimated 2,000 fully vaccinated people a day are getting infected in the UK. So the vaccines are working but not they’re not perfect. However, they are keeping most people out of hospital and preventing death.“

In the uk.

https://lenews.ch/2021/07/06/covid-vaccines-insights-from-rising-infections-in-the-uk/

namer
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namer
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Nope, wrong,

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  namer

Nope, double wrong with knobs on.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Self centered? I choose to not allow the vaxxxcine injection because it’s my body and my choice. Have you heard that mantra? I do not do experiments. Nor play Russian Roulette with my health and my life. Now if you want to go for two jabs, and another in six months and one every year thereafter, go for it. That’s YOUR choice. Some of us are not buying the hype. Some of us take the time to research the official narrative. Some of us find that narrative to be bogus. Therefore, it seems prudent to avoid the kool aid at all cost. I hope you don’t mind.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

New commentor?

Or new name?

Mile
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Mile
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

How’s that flu shot working on that influenza that started over a century ago?

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Mile

LOLS!! It’s not working at all. It’s as big a joke as is the “Covid” sell.

Specialist
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Specialist
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Yer right.
The scam is OVER OVER OVER OVER.
Too many people now spreading the truth.

All based on a PCR test that collects garbage when cycled over 22 . And intentionally inflated death numbers. Now the FDA has recalled ithe PCR test.
Unfortunately it is to be replaced by a Soros/Gates owned test by 12/31/21

People have been in a trance. Time to snap out of it.

Thousands of protests in Europe today against vaxpass and further restrictions.

It’s freaking over. They showed their sketchy globalist plans, and now can stuff it.

Steve Adams
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Steve Adams
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Still, the same treatment for the symptomatic is available. Ask for it. Demand it.
If you are not counterindicated it’s called Hyperbaric oxygen therapy. Been used since 1918.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Steve Adams

Ya know, I heard an off hand comment about some sort of high oxygen high hydrogen treatment being popular for treating covid in East Asia. I hadn’t really thought anything of it , one of those comments that just sort of brushes by you. But I’m curious now, I think they called it browns gas? I wonder

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Steve Adams

https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/monograph-published-by-world-scientific-publishing-proves-asclepius-meditec-s-hydrogen-oxygen-generator-with-nebulizer-effective-in-treating-covid-19/

This was the best article that a cursory search turned up. Seems that there is some evidence that breathing this hydrogen-oxygen heavy gas derived from electrolysis has some positive effect. Its something I’d like to look into more for sure.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago

Despite the title, a monograph (think “essay” if you don’t like fancy words) doesn’t prove anything, and there’s serious signs the author is not reliable (for example, having previously claimed the exact same therapy cures cancer). It’s something that should be tested further, but until such tests are done, I wouldn’t get my hopes up.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Oh no doubt. Like I said, I heard a passing comment about inhaling this browns gas being deployed as a treatment of covid in East Asia as part of an interview about using the gas as an auto fuel enhancer. Didnt really pay it much mind, but something about the mention of “barometric oxygen” triggered the memory and I thought I’d take a moment to look into it.

Really wish I spoke or read Chinese or Japanese or Korean. I have found it quite difficult to get a good read on what goes on in that part of the world without being able to access their native language media.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Seems the forced wearing of masks cancels out the oxygen therapy. Hypoxia is a known result for some who are strapped into the bogus masks.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Reading a bit more about the claim it seems that the hydrogen is believed to be the active component.

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

3 months or a lifetime of immune system from GOD?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/qW1JMYg81kzT/

Dont Trust Klaus with your body…. trust God

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

Presumably the millions of dead people all had the theoretically god-given immune systems as well.

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

just wait until the vaccinated start dying and not the unvaxed. The vax permanently destroys your NATURAL IMMUNITY to new variants. You will need a shot every month.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

That was short and to the point.👏

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

Vaccination doesn’t “destroy” natural immunity. That is just another unreal bit of anti vaxxer misinformation that gets repeated over and over with not only no proof but despite proof it’s wrong. https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/covid-19-vaccines-dont-hamper-the-function-of-the-immune-system-and-are-likely-to-limit-the-generation-of-variants-no-evidence-that-they-produce-more-lethal-variants/

If you heard that and believe it, it only shows the harm anti vaxxer misinformation does.

bearjew
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bearjew
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

first of all this isn’t a vaccine. Its MRNA gene therapy designed to hack your DNA and get you to make spike proteins.

That would be fine if we weren’t vaxxed mid pandemic. Vaxing mid pandemic creates VARIANTS. the people who trained their long lived specific antibodies are going to DIE from ADE because the body will be unable to defend versus new variants as the old antibodies latch onto the spike protein and keep your natural immunity from attacking the slightly different spike protein.

Read about the animal trials… Im sure you didn’t as you are likely IN THE HUMAN TRIAL.

Geertvandenbossche.org — this guy made Vax’s for your EVIL overlord Bill Gates… He says the vaccine is a crime against humanity.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjew

OK The vaccine’s not a vaccine, mRNA is DNA, covid-19 is the flu, PCR test is incapable of testing for the virus unless it is a breakthrough case that anti vaxxers want to crow about then it’s accurate, and ADE will kill even those aforementioned breakthrough cases even though covid is less severe than in non vaccinated people, which is the exact opposite of what ADE does. Is there any totally conflicting beliefs that anti vaxxers don’t believe at the same time?

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Anti-vaxxers, So I guess you believe everything TRB, Yeah sure, etc. believes right?
Since you are so fond of lumping people together.
All you jabbers think alike. Not one of you has a thought of your own.
Goose and Gander, right?

Are you not able to differentiate Between People or between a vax and a jab?
It seems people all over the rest of the world can.

Winter is coming
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Winter is coming
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

If this comment stays, i quit.

Steve Adams
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Steve Adams
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

We will see. The idea is here with NIH and other papers.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32908214/

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

They got old and died from what old people usually die from…..old age. Cooked books doth not a pandemic make.

Mile
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Mile
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

Me stfu? Yeah Nick, I’ve been giving the bird to the entire government for the whole course of a pandemic by going to work to afford my mortgage, but you got me there. I wouldn’t want to offend you. Heaven forbid.

Nick
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Nick
2 years ago
Reply to  Mile

No thirdeye

Nick
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Nick
2 years ago
Reply to  Mile

I’ve figured everyone else knew who was responding to who. I’ve been embarrassed to ask

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

I put up with morons who drive drunk. Morons who shoot themselves with their own guns. Morons… Well lots of morons. If enforced vaccination is attempted in unwilling adults, I will be protesting with them- in a mask and 6 feet away but still there.

namer
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namer
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Of course, your “weapon” is no match for “the incessant death-drive of capitalism.”

But, I’d definitely wager on the event.

*This is not a recommendation to feel bad that health authorities are discarding unwanted Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson inventory by trading disadvantaged community members one (1) taco. Just because informed consumers prefer Moderna, doesn’t mean there isn’t a need to dump the other stuff on whoever can be made to accept it.

Misguidedyouth
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Misguidedyouth
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Haha doubt it

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Weapon of MADDS destruction?

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

No you won’t. That’s just bluster. At least I hope it is because you’d end up on trial as the criminal you’d be if you did use a gun. Calling the police is one thing. Inflicting violence is another.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Too many people I know have been killed by drunk drivers. Getting into a vehicle while intoxicated should be treated as attempted murder. And if I see someone attempting murder, I’ll do my best to stop it.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

I can appreciate that auntie o. I don’t agree with you on the topic of the best public health application of these novel technologies but I respect that you honor bodily autonomy. I hope that you can find tools to help you mitigate any harm caused to you by your distress about the risk you perceive from your unvaccinated neighbors

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

When did “The morons” ever ask for your protection?

bearj
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bearj
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

the vaxxxx only protects you from the WUHAN strain. There is a whole host of FRAT ROW strains it doesn’t work on… The vax only lasts 6 months. Hope you enjoy those six months. The unvaxxed will enjoy the next 60 years in some cases.

Glad you took the Trump shots and died for the environment tho!

Steve Adams
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Steve Adams
2 years ago
Reply to  bearj

The efficacy numbers for the vaccines (shots) is no longer in the 90’s but way, way lower.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  bearj

You seem to be posting under at least three different names in this thread. Are you evading Kym?

All evidence so far is the vaccines provide fairly long-term protection, likely longer than natural immunity. Do you have reliable science to contradict this?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Comma splice.

thebearjoooo
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thebearjoooo
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Yeah I’m the bearjew… Remember https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3uqv0eP7Tg

The best place to FIND ACTUAL SCIENCE on this is The Highwire:

https://ipfs.io/ipns/k2k4r8pkk8wevtty3rpqw8mh2njz0snop5xpha1ybafquvb7dcgayh4j/index.html

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

you know I love you Kym. Im sorry you took the poison death shot. Love always, the bearjoo

bearjoo
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bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I think thats true and I think we will all survive this, but a corporation is not able to act in our best interest. They act in their shareholders best interest. That is why we have to do our own homework before signing the waiver and taking the shot.

https://thehighwire.com/videos/episode-225-the-covid-blame-game/

Blessings!

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjoo

👍

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

Whose “we?” Oh wait! I know. The HERD.

bearjew
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bearjew
2 years ago
Reply to  Thirdeye

Zombie Juice…. Tequila Shots… Trump Shots…. etc

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjew

Franken-jab,
Franken-juice,
Franken-joose,
Franken-jewce,
Franken-J²O,
Franken-stick.

Prof. Quiz
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Prof. Quiz
2 years ago

FEAR PORN plain and simple. Bend over and take it. There will always be a new variant that needs a booster jab. We are living under medical tyranny.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

Nobody has a gun to your head. Do what you want like you have been.

Steve Adams
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Steve Adams
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

New Zealand is going on the hunt for the unvaccinated.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Steve Adams

New Zealand shut their borders, refused to allow their own citizens to come back and makes quarantined people pay for being literally locked up. Right now they are having a debate as to whether they should rescue distressed sailors because they might be infected. New Zealand is not the US. Heck, they are not even Canada.

Prof. Quiz
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Prof. Quiz
2 years ago

I thought this was history . . . Wishful thinking. Using a mask to trap a virus is like catching a mosquito with a chain link fence. It’s all about fear and CONTROL.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Prof. Quiz

Dentists are quite happy. The wearing of masks is creating rotten teeth, rotten gums, bacteria buildup in the mouth and lungs. And lack of oxygen (hypoxia). “Do no harm?” Ask Public “Health,” big pharma’s handmaiden from hell.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Yes, all those surgeons and sandblasters and nurses and hazmat responders and painters and exterminators and asbestos abatement workers and firefighters and concrete plant operators and everyone else who wears masks or respirators for their jobs have such a history of those health problems. Except, wait, they don’t.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

They are not catching viruses.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

None of those people are wearing masks 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. Most people are not being asked to do that now but at the height of it last year there were many people being asked to mask up during the entirety of their work day.

Please show me a profession where people wear masks all day every day and don’t have worse than average health outcomes

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago

What can I say. I spent two days reading reports from dental professionals. Those state the wearing of masks all day long causes bad breath, deteriorating gums, increase in cavities, fungus. Others who are lung specialists recognize the masks cause fungus to build up in the lungs. When one exhales, the body toxins are release, and fresh air is taken in. Common sense says breathing in one’s carbon dioxide and body/lung pathogens that should be exhaled are being recycled into the oral cavity and the lungs. One known result for some compromised wearers is hypoxia….not enough oxygen. Tested masks are breeding disease. But don’t believe me. What good is the internet. Maybe I should use the local library??

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

I state the medical reports. Don’t believe me? Well, do research. I give you the truth. Those respirator to which you refer are state of the art. Sit in a office cubicle day after day, eight hours, a break for lunch. Do that for a year and report back. Cough cough….

lol
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lol
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Where did you hear that?

Skitty
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Skitty
2 years ago
Reply to  lol

On the internet 😳

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Nonsense. My dentist and hygienist wear them every time with every patient. Why make up nonsense?

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Because unless they make up nonsense, they wouldn’t have an argument.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

A person I know is really pissed off because she and her daughter both got heavy periods after their shots. Like “It’s a conspiracy!!!” type of pissed. She said it was “hidden” information.

Now, I being older than dirt was one of the early shots, in April. So I didn’t pay attention. But she said she spent ALL day trying to find this “hidden from the public” super secret thing on the internet. She couldn’t find ANYTHING!!!

So I come home and enter “covid vaccine menstration” and amazingly an article from freaking January pops right up saying it could be a side effect.

It’s not worth the aggro to point that out to her, but I do know she goes to alternative health type sites. But still, I got it on the first try, yet she somehow couldn’t find it after searching all day.

But now she is convinced that “they” are hiding this side effect from the public. I give up.

Specialist
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Specialist
2 years ago

They knew all the jab risks in October 2020 during this presentation for EUA approval.

Timestamp 2:33:40

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1XTiL9rUpkg

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Specialist

Did you miss the bit about “possible” side effects? Not will happen side effects but one that have happened with vaccines in the past and that even then were just possibly related to vaccination? You know so that they could be looking for them? Just in case?

Think of it as looking both ways across the street. Something you do to keep from getting hit by a car, not something you do knowing you’ll be hit by a car.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Think of it as watching TV and listening to all the caveats about how the pills being pushed might kill the recipent. Tobacco and alcohol ads were removed only to be replaced by big Pharma pill pushers. Same industry bringing the world a fake pandemic. Same vaccine caveats…. except there is very little truth in the advertising. The jab might kill the Jabee.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Specialist

Thanks specialist.

Three of the list are now warnings put on the label by the fda. Myocarditis, pericarditis, Guillain-Barre.

Guillain-Barre (gee-YAH-buh-RAY) syndrome is a rare disorder in which your body’s immune system attacks your nerves. Weakness and tingling in your extremities are usually the first symptoms. These sensations can quickly spread, eventually paralyzing your whole body.

And this is only 8 months out.

July 2021
FDA puts warning label on pfeizer, moderna for myocarditis, pericarditis

FDA puts warning label on j and j for guillain-barre.

June 2021.

Pfizer said it was aware of the findings, but that

no causal link

between myocarditis and its vaccine had been established, according to Reuters.”

https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-vaccine-myocarditis-teens-report.html

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Things that are connected to Guillain-Barre syndrome-

Most commonly, infection with campylobacter, a type of bacteria often found in undercooked poultry
Influenza virus
Cytomegalovirus
Epstein-Barr virus
Zika virus
Hepatitis A, B, C and E
HIV, the virus that causes AIDS
Mycoplasma pneumonia
Surgery
Trauma
Hodgkin’s lymphoma
Rarely, influenza vaccinations or childhood vaccinations
COVID-19 virus
COVID-19 Johnson & Johnson vaccine

Note that the sars-cov-2 virus triggers it as does the influenza virus.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Auntie,

the vaxxes have warning label for
Guillain-barre,
Myocarditis and pericarditis.

There are no warning labels on the vaxxes for what is in your comment.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Really? If you look very closely you’ll find teeny tiny warning labels on most viruses. Do you really think that all the things that make you afraid of vaccines are not a thousand times worse when you are infected with a virus?

Vaccines are not voodoo. They are designed to trigger the same natural defenses in the immune system that a virus does. Only, not being self replicating, they almost never overwhelm but simply prepare the body to recognize danger immediately. So vaccines can rarely arouse the same self destructive over reactions in the immune system that the virus does but it is vastly less likely to do it than natural infection. The disease is always doing the same things but the chances of it killing are so much more likely. Myocarditis, Guillain Barre, blood clots, pericarditis, etc are all sequential to infections but somehow that doesn’t seem to worry those who are so fearful of vaccines. They do not seem to care if thousands die of those things with a disease but obsess over the one person who suffers after vaccination.

“When the body senses danger from a virus or infection, the immune system kicks into gear and attacks it. This is called an immune response. Sometimes, healthy cells and tissues are caught up in this response, resulting in autoimmune disease.”

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/autoimmune-disease-why-is-my-immune-system-attacking-itself

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Speak for yourself. It’s not nonsense. The health impact is known. After a year of the mask nonsense the data is in. Doctors and nurses don’t wear masks 8 hours a day. Usually it for surgery. And dentists frequently remove their masks during their work day.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Again nonsense. Ever since the start of the pandemic, most nurses, dentists and other personnel have worn masks when in the presence of patients. Which is most of the time for many of them. And all of the time for some.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Yes, and that is a change. They did not wear masks all day 2 years ago. So saying that because nurses and surgeons wear masks all the time, that proves continuous mask usage isn’t harmful, is dishonest.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago

It shows Fay Wray’s statement that they don’t is wrong.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

What do you recommend? I just bet you don’t utilize the internet? LOLS:-))))) I think I have enough sense to recognize legit from fraud. Just like I recognize this so called pandemic is one of the biggest cons ever conceived and executed upon a stupid TV-brain dead population.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

What brings you here?

Part of the campaign?

namer
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namer
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

If you’re like me, you’ve also wondered what their face is doing for the remainder of the day, when they’re not reluctantly hovering at isolated 3-15 minute intervals, telling you to open wide—while poking, scraping, and sucking stinky spit bubbles out of your rotten trap.

Do they keep one (and, only one) loose, floppy, sweaty, oily, dirty mask on the entire day—like perhaps you’d see if you ever really went anywhere—or, do they go through 7-15 of them, depending on how many hours a day they normally spend away from patients, breathing freely, laughing and bragging about their vacations while nibbling on cupcakes and flirting in the lobby without anything whatsoever concealing their too-white fangs?

namer
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namer
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I’m just going to maintain the boycott. Let’s see if that crummy office can handle another decade without yours truly to take advantage of.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  namer

Recommendations to brush your teeth are medical tyranny government overreach!

Dont do it.

Bill Gates and George Soros are trying to enact GUM control!

Reeeeee!

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  namer

“Do they keep one (and, only one) loose, floppy, sweaty, oily, dirty mask on the entire day—like perhaps you’d see if you ever really went anywhere”

LOL. The only mask I have seen like that in the whole pandemic was a very, very reluctant mask wearer who only wore it because he couldn’t get into anywhere without it.

He is an old commercial fishing buddy of my husband. He came by and was wearing what was once one of those “paper” blue masks but was now what you described. It was so gross I went in the house and got him one of the many new triple lined cloth masks we had extras of. And I told him why. And kept him on the porch, too.

namer
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namer
2 years ago

The best thing about the new regulations is that those grease rags can finally be retired—in some cases.

299 Commuter
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299 Commuter
2 years ago

I am fully vaccinated so I am not wearing a mask anymore. I was very nervous about the shot but went ahead because I wanted to protect my family and have trouble with masks. Not happening.

Nomasks
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Nomasks
2 years ago

No masks… neither group ( vaxxed or unvaxxed) want to put the masks back on. Don’t let the media divide us.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  Nomasks

Uhm, I think the point is that we should be divided. Someone who won’t wear a mask or get the vaccine should understand why those who are vaxxed (and were/are wearing masks) don’t want to be “united” next to them.

I say this as someone who knows people who have died, one in the last two weeks from COVID.

Do I want to wear a mask? No. But I don’t trust people who are so careless with my health.

Mile
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Mile
2 years ago

Well using your logic from this morning on vaccination deaths the people you know who died from covid were already sick or old. Seems kinda messed up when it’s the other way around doesn’t it? I’m cursed with having a. Memory that lasts longer than 9 hours.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago

Soon these bio-terrorists will be issuing “Covid” passports. That will definitely divide. It’s couched as “freedom.” LOLS:-))).

Littlefoot
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Littlefoot
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

They’re trying to in Italy, it was met with protests. Definitely not in the mainstream news.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Littlefoot

Yeah. Mainstream “news” is no friend of the American People. Six corporations control that spew. And their handmaiden for coverup of the crime is the social media censors. Some persons are completely aghast that anyone would challenge the official narrative. They buy the “most trusted name in news” without question. The vast majority take no time at confirming whether or not the incessant hype is factual. The internet has its faults like anywhere in life. It’s a great research tool for actual documents from the very matrix that brought us “Covid.” The vast majority of Americans are certifiably conditioned to not question . It’s incredible.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago

Still not gonna do it.

Guyute
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Guyute
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Wouldn’t be prudent

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

You can’t ever argue they didn’t work.

Like masks.

You can’t actively sabotage a goal and simultaneously say it didn’t work while presenting an ode of neutrality.

Societal sabotage, Ullr.

What a guy. It’s a special nerve you have.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Doubling down on nonsense…. where are the massive outbreaks in Texas and Florida? It didn’t happen because the masks do nothing.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Obviously there are Ullrs and HumCos in Ca and Brians and Aunt Ovines in FL.

Remember this;

https://kymkemp.com/2020/12/26/one-death-45-new-cases-of-covid-19-reported-today/#comment-1251804

Hilarious.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

You didn’t answer the question. If masks are/were such a silver bullet then why doesn’t the list of states by masking level match up with the list of states by excess death?

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago

For starters, mask mandates were often put in place in response to high numbers of deaths.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

No more deaths in the US than previous years. About 3,000,000. Certainly the 600,000 alleged “Covid “ deaths are primarily old people. This is not unusual. Recall Deborah Birx stated on the boob tube the protocol was changed. Cause of death henceforth would be labelled “Covid”even though the 85 year old passed away from cancer, or pneumonia. They even threw in the flu as “Covid.” Cooked books. As for the test, the PCR test cannot detect any disease. The Nobel Prize winner who invented it stated this over and over (internet videos) that his invention could only issue false positives. Unfortunately he died four months before the scam began. Kary Mullis. Which might explain that in spite of the population wearing worthless masks, 25,000,000 tested for having a “ Covid” infection. If these marks were useless for 25,000,000, how is it that the flu season disappeared? We are witnessing utter fraud.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Kary Mullis is no one to quote.

He was a quack who thought drugs caused HIV.

There is a reason Fauci served 4 administrations and Mullis served 0.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Nobel prizes:
Kary Mullis- 1
Tony Fauci- 0

Fauci is a career bureacrat. That is not something to be proud of.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Oh, so when Fauci gets the Nobel, you’ll adore and fondle his statements too.

Got it.

“Nuetral data”.

😂😂😂

Serving multiple admins is ABSOLUTELY something to be proud of.

He is one of 3 ish people who endured four years of Trump’s unmatchable turnover rate.

What other jokes do you have?

I guess you also think that Mullis is RIGHT ABOUT HIV being caused by drugs, cuz hey, he has a nobel….

😂😂😂

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago

I did answer the question.

You would be obtuse to not see that.

Mandates don’t equal compliance.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

So you believe that a list of states arranged by excess mortality would tell us about what states adhered to masking and what states didnt?

FogDog
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FogDog
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

You obviously haven’t been keeping up. Florida has more cases per day than most countries right now.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  FogDog

He’s keeping up.

Pride just cant let him be honest.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  FogDog

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/

52 deaths and 25th among the states in death per capita.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

That was a Saturday. Deaths counts are low most Saturdays which is why the trends are what matter. Right now Florida is spiking pretty fast. But that is not significant either as most states do that periodically.

bearjew
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bearjew
2 years ago

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3718494-three-quarters-of-new-covid-19-cases-in-singapore-are-among-vaccinated-people

This is a Chinese Bioweapon — a pathogen stimulant = the vaxx

If you are vaxxed, you have a MORE DIRE REASON to mask up… Just use cloth mask not the Chinese masks laced with Graphene.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjew

That’s a bit misleading, as per reliable news sources, the actual number is around 40%. And the number of them with severe symptoms, or requiring hospitalization, or dying, are all 0%. Not a single case of a fully vaccinated person having anything other than mild symptoms.

We’ll see more headlines like this as vaccination rates rise. When countries start having a substantial majority of their population vaccinated, and the vaccines are not perfectly effective (which we know they aren’t), there might be more cases among vaccinated that unvaccinated people – but it doesn’t mean the vaccines aren’t working. Consider a country where every person is vaccinated – then there will be headlines claiming that only vaccinated people are getting infected….

Oh, and as a side note, singapore’s entire national cases per day, out of 5.7m people, averaged over the last two weeks, is lower than our local new cases today, in our rural county of 0.13m people.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

No. That is not how it works. You are wrong. Your logic is flawed. There is no debate and sometimes people just have to say no you are wrong.

Vaccinated people should not be contracting a virus AT ALL. They definitely shouldn’t be contracting it at higher rates than unvaccinated people, and they shouldn’t be able to pass it. Thats how you know its not a vaccine. If this were the case with smallpox, polio, or any one of those old strawman arguments that you like to trot out, they would not have been eradicated. We would have small pox and polio to this day but we don’t.

You know you are wrong, don’t piss down my neck and tell me its raining.

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago

“Vaccinated people should not be contracting a virus AT ALL.”

Clearly you don’t understand how vaccines work at either the individual or population level. I blame our generally crappy science education for such erroneous ideas circulating. I strongly suspect you aren’t actually interested in finding out how vaccines do work so I won’t waste time trying to correct your misconceptions but it’s safe to say that everything you wrote is demonstrably wrong.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Prove me wrong, of course nothing is 100% but all other vaccines that I have are 99.999% effective. These are 94% and waning. Last I checked the Pfizer was 86% effective against the Delta. That’s what I am talking about and thats why those other vaccines work. The small pox and polio and others are attenuated viruses that your immune system easily defeats and gathers all the information it needs to successfully combat and squash the virus so quickly that it doesn’t even have time to establish a high enough viral load to be registered by any test or be transmitted if you ever encounter it again.

These are mRNA vaccines that don’t work that way, they are a delivery platform to program your immune system, not your immune system programming itself like the traditional vaccines.

I am saying that the difference between 86% effective(pfizer covid 19 delta strain) mRNA delivery platform vs. 99.999% effective for the polio vaccine, is wherein my argument lies. If you are too dense or willfully ignorant to understand that, then there is nothing I can do. The creators of this don’t even call it a vaccine. Would it make you feel better if I just said they are complete crap compared to vaccines of the past?

The J and J is a vaccine but I don’t include that because something that isn’t even 70% effective would have NEVER been brought to market in the past, the FDA would have told them to go back to the drawing board and make a better vaccine, one that actually works! This day and age is different, a load of crap “vaccines” that never would have been brought to market when compared to our past standards for every other vaccine (besides the flu vax, but everyone knows thats a best guess) ever created, coupled with the complete release of these companies from any legal indemnification, a giant advertising push, and records of tons of vaccine related injuries should be enough to give anybody with a critically thinking brain pause.

Does that work for you? Is my understanding vast enough for you? Should I restate my assertion in this manner: The covid-19 “vaccines” are complete crap, if the polio vaccine and small pox vaccine were of the same caliber as these covid shots those diseases would never have been eradicated and would still be here to this day. I will not take something that is not up to the same gold standard as other things that I have taken in the past. I will not accept a lower standard of care. I will not be shamed by people who are comfortable taking vaccines that are proven crap, just because I want my covid vaccine to be just as effective as my Hep B vaccine or MMR, or TDap vaccine. I also have natural immunity, and as far as I can tell there hasn’t been a single story about mass breakthrough cases or hospitalizations in people with natural immunity. It seems as if that is the Gold Standard for prevention of this disease and I already have it.

Peace out.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago

It’s too late for me to give a long answer, so I’ll just point out that the polio vaccine is 90% effective after two doses, and the smallpox vaccine is 95% effective.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Are you just regurgitating that? Where is any link to anything that references that level of effectiveness? No? Didn’t think so. Next.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago

Are things only true if I provide links to them? Can you not do your own research, which you clearly did not do before claiming 99.9999999% effectiveness?

The effectiveness of the polio vaccine varies by vaccine. For the one currently used in the US, the CDC says 99% effective after four doses, 90% effective after two, since not everyone gets all four. Studies in the ’50s found the vaccine to only be 65% effective, but even this was sufficient to wipe out polio. A different polio vaccine used worldwide due to its easier administration is less effective, with studies showing about 95%-97% after three doses, with lots of children not receiving all three, with much lower effectiveness. A 1992 study in the US found 92% effectiveness. The exact numbers vary from study to study, but are generally similar. A 1989 canadian study found 90%. A 1994 study found 91%.

I may have been simplifying by saying 90%, but I was getting ready for bed, not writing a research paper, so just used a representative number that summarized pretty well the body of research on the topic. I’m not an expert on polio vaccines – I just read a handful of apparently reliable studies on the topic. This is something anyone else looking for numbers can do as well.

The smallpox vaccine is 95% effective per the CDC. I’m not in the mood to do more googling for sources for it.

Tim below posted a screenshot of the CDC’s figures for some other vaccines. You should look at it, too. Note than some of them are only 70% effective to start with, and decline rapidly.

You need to stop looking at vaccines from the point of the individual, and instead look at the whole community. While protecting a specific person from getting infected after being exposed is part of it, eliminating a virus from a community is all about how well the virus can spread. As long as each infected person infects less than one other person, the numbers will start to drop. Vaccines, even though they don’t provide 100% protection, reduce how quickly a virus can spread. As the 65% effectiveness of the older polio vaccines shows, even such low numbers can completely wipe out a disease. This is why the J&J vaccine, while less effective, is still a valuable tool. It’s all about slowing spread, not protecting each and every person.

Masks and other measures to slow spread are the same thing. Wearing a mask might be very ineffective at preventing you from getting a virus when exposed to it, but by limiting how quickly infections spread, it helps stop the disease in the overall community. Again, to reiterate and be redundant, it’s about the community, not the individual. Protecting the community protects the individual.

Fay Wray
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2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

The first massive roll out of the polio vaxxx was defective and laced with a cancer-causing simian virus. They say this was later corrected after millions were contaminated. And yes, cancer became an epidemic over the past 70 years. Oops! You can easily find this fact under a non-Google search engine.

Auntie Ovine
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2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Millions contaminated! Death in every needle! Vaccines cause every disease!

And yet populations have grown geometrically where ever disease was reduced by vaccination but not where their was little vaccination. No matter what errors in vaccine occurred, the end result is always vaccination improve survival. By multiples.

“Out of the 25 vaccinated children, only one child had mild measles at 2 1/2 years while 4 had suspected whooping cough at different points of the study period but not clinically diagnosed as pertussis. Among the unvaccinated group, 2 died of measles before the age of 3 years while 11 others went down with measles during an outbreak in 1986. An unvaccinated child also died of tetanus within the study period. In this paper we advocate the total integration of every community in the ongoing Expanded Programme for Immunization in Nigeria.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2260220/

Those without access to vaccination are desperate for it. Only those who are privileged to live where most are vaccinated have the luxury of fussing over possibilities of future negatives. Those without access to vaccination must worry whether their babies will survive past age 5.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Who says so?

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago

Human immune systems are far too variable for any vaccine to be 99.999% effective. The same is true of natural immunity, hence re-infection with COVID has been fairly well documented. Any vaccine that is 95% effective is doing a pretty good job. Even the lower 88% against the Delta variant is nothing to sneeze at.

The MMR vaccine, for example is 97% effective after 2 doses, 93% after a single dose.

And here’s an image I took from the CDC webpage on the TDAP vaccine that you hold in such high regard:

nah
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nah
2 years ago

You are massively ignorant. Vaccines are not 100% effective.

You are forgetting that with smallpox and polio almost everyone was vaccinated.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  nah

Chickity check the rebuttal above. Chickity check yourself before you wreck yourself, not keeping tabs on the vax could be bad for your health.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  nah

Gosh, I wonder why we even have an immune system if big Pharma can outdo the creation. Let’s just buy back everything. Every facit of our lives should be made abstract artificial and fake, and sold back to us for a profit. How many jabs for a child before age 12. I read 29. I had polio and small pox vaxxx. That’s it. We played in the dirt, went barefoot, ate with fingers, picked our noses, never washed our hands, and are alive and well. Yes, some children do die of diseases. But the again children die and are injured by the vaxxxcines. Big Pharma and Public Health want to replace natural herd immunity with their products. No thanks.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago

“Vaccinated people should not be contracting a virus AT ALL.” No vaccine is 100% effective. No vaccine has ever prevented something entirely. Instead, vaccines have lowered the rate things spread until they stop finding new hosts and slowly go away. The covid vaccine is no different.

Let’s say you have a virus that, if someone gets it, they’ll infect on average 3 other people. Clearly, such a virus will spread quickly and widely. Now, let’s say you have a vaccine that reduces someone’s chances of getting it by 75%. If everyone gets vaccinated, now each infected person only infects, on average, less than one other person (3 * .25 people), and numbers start going down instead of going up, until it hopefully goes away – and a 75% effective vaccine has 100% eliminated the virus. This is how all vaccines have worked, and how we eradicated the really unpleasant things you mention.

“They definitely shouldn’t be contracting it at higher rates than unvaccinated people” They’re not contracting it at higher rates. In terms of number of infections per number of people, they’re contracting it at lower rates – there’s just more vaccinated people. Singapore has one of the world’s highest vaccination rates. The 3/4 number is misleading, as they’re lumping in people who aren’t fully vaccinated to produce it, while we already know that protection is much weaker until after the second dose.

Let’s take a hypothetical country where 80% of people are vaccinated, again with our 75% effective vaccine. The virus is still circulating in the community. Vaccinated people are only a quarter as likely to be new infections, but there’s four times as many of them, so each day the same number of vaccinated people and unvaccinated people get infected. Science looks at this and says “the vaccine is working just as expected, with a 75% reduction in infection rate”. Sensationalist newspaper reporter looks at this and says “Just as many vaccinated people as unvaccinated people being infected”. Right-wing whackjob site looks at this and says “FAKE VACCINE DOESN’T WORK! NEW DATA SHOWS JUST AS MANY VACCINATED PEOPLE BEING INFECTED! PROOF BILL GATES AND ZIONISTS ARE CONTROLLING THE POPULATION!1!”

Now, this isn’t to say Singapore’s numbers aren’t a bit concerning. While showing the vaccines are working, their effectiveness is lower than has been shown by previous data. This may be due to their extensive use of Moderna’s vaccine, which some early data is showing to be less effective against infections with the delta variant (around 75%) than the Pfizer vaccine (around 90%). I personally suspect this early data might be why we’re not using it as much around here lately, but I have no evidence of that. It’s also possible Singapore is experiencing a different variant that hasn’t been studied yet. The good news is Singapore’s data is still showing the vaccines to be effective at preventing infection, just not as well as hoped, and exceptionally effective at preventing severe symptoms and deaths – to repeat what I said above, Singapore is not reporting even a single case of a fully vaccinated person being hospitalized or dying.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Another possibility is that Singapore’s unvaccinated population now has a significant portion of people with natural immunity.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Which is what ought to have been done here. Natural herd immunity is far preferable to kool aid. Those who are unjabbed are doing their fellows a good deed. Those who are vaxxed are made immuno compromised. And are now a threat to the unvaxxxed.

Auntie Ovine
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2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Frankly Singapore is not open about reporting its cases and it has a migrant-labor-as slave mentality. https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/the-big-read-grappling-with-isolation-migrant-workers-in-dorms-15238748 So while Singaporeans have had vaccine available, it was only in March that migrants started getting vaccinated at all. And it would not surprise me if the vaccine they chose to use for that purpose that was where their stock of the cheaper and less effective Sinovac went. Vaccination in Singapore does not automatically mean Pfizer or Moderna. They wouldn’t tell anyone if they did. https://mothership.sg/2021/03/vaccines-no-nationality-pm-lee/
https://news.yahoo.com/singapore-residents-sinovac-vaccine-second-pfizer-moderna-jabs-105231183.html

Aunti Ovine
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Aunti Ovine
2 years ago

Been around and around and around this block. Not all vaccines prevent disease. Some just give your immune system a heads up so it mounts an immediate defense rather that trying to get ahead of a virus that is already making you sick. The polio vaccine used in the US works like that and polio has virtually disappeared here. Flu vaccines are like that too. You do not get to arbitrarily change the definition of vaccine to suit your agenda and expect anyone to believe you.

Guest
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2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

My friend’s daughter works as a nurse in Texas and she told her that 2 fully vaxxed people died

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Well, no one ever guaranteed that vaccination makes people immortal. Just a whole lot less likely to die of covid. In their age demographic. This is like one of those word math puzzle that teachers use to teach algebra. You know if a train A leaves traveling 20 mph and train B leaves going at 40 miles per hour sort of thing.

In this case if 15% of 70 year olds are likely to die of covid if unvaccinated and less than 1% of vaccinated 70 year olds are likely to die of covid, which group contains the most idiots who can’t do arithmetic despite all the attempts of the public education system to drum it into their heads?

Guest
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2 years ago
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Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

And what part of more unvaccinated people died of covid in El Paso TX that week even though they represent less than 1/3 of the population did you not understand? Yes, apparently you should mask up if you are vaccinated. But you should double mask up if you are unvaccinated.

Guest
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2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

I don’t care about percentages when I’m in a group of people. The fact is it’s happening and I don’t take chances.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

And there lies the difficulty with anti vaxxers. Zero understanding of what statistics mean. Oh well… Such keep casinos raking in the money.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

😂😂

Great one.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

What a cop out. Nice excuse for why the so-called vaccine is worthless as a preventative. You don’t recognize that our controllers hold ALL the cards. Not just owning the narrative, but this creature owns the politicians, the government, the labs where at any time a new “scariant” can be dumped on the population. They own big Pharma, the social media corporations, mainstream “news.” They even own your stocks (CEDE & Company). What we own is a polluted physical body, a dying planet, and we own THEIR global debt. Just remember…their businesses are “essential” while they, Public “Health” and our corrupt state and national politicians shut down OUR businesses, locked us down, and placed the final bail into the coffin of our businesses. We PAID dearly for Beso’s 447 foot yacht, and his ego-manical space sojourn.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

That would be wrong. In a study recently published, “Among participants with SARS-CoV-2 infection, the mean viral RNA load was 40% lower (95% CI, 16 to 57) in partially or fully vaccinated participants than in unvaccinated participants. In addition, the risk of febrile symptoms was 58% lower (relative risk, 0.42; 95% CI, 0.18 to 0.98) and the duration of illness was shorter, with 2.3 fewer days spent sick in bed (95% CI, 0.8 to 3.7).” https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107058?query=featured_home

In other words, even if a vaccinated person was infected, they were less sick for a shorter time and had less virus. That equates to a lower chance of spreading disease because they have less virus to shed in the first place.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjew

Same in Israel.

North west
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North west
2 years ago

Here I always felt that wearing a mask was a sigh of respect to my elders.

I got the vacillation for pertussis six months before my friends first child also. I’m a big believer in real Science

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
2 years ago

I’ll wear the mask because it hides me dying laughing at the flu. Once again, how many people under 30 yrs old have died from the corona that live in Humboldt county, the same number that always die from the flu. Oh the long term affects, right up there with the long term affects from breathing in that smoke for months from forest fires but no ratings or votes in that.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

There has been no increase in deaths. The national statistics are about the same as the year before. Roughly 3,000,000 annually. And the vast majority are old folks. The alleged “Covid” numbers are cooked books. It’s the old folk with comorbidities who are falsely labelled as died of Covid. It’s a fraud Birx stood up there on TV and stated the protocol was being changed. If someone was dying of pneumonia or cancer, stroke, whatever, they died of Covid. Actually if they actually had the alleged “Covid,” the actuality is they died with “Covid.” Big difference. In my region here in Northern California, the local cemetery has not had any more burials than usual. I keep waiting for the supposed pandemic. I have yet to see any. Nor know of anyone who had died from this supposed pandemic.

Bushytails
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2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Yes, those areas where they had to toss bodies in semitrailers obviously weren’t experiencing any extra deaths. And all those nice, so-easy-to-understand-a-kindergartner-could-see-it graphs of excess deaths nationally are obviously wrong. And all the evidence that non-covid deaths were lowered due to the covid precautions must be imaginary too. And clearly all the measures to slow spread and reduce deaths couldn’t possibly have resulted in slower spread and reduced deaths. And… oh, wait, there’s a lot of problems with your theory.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

No problems with my data and facts. In our major cities, more people have died from drug overdose than the alleged “Covid.” San Francisco, too. Tell you what….you continue “believing.” My knowledge is not a religion. I do not worship science, nor mainstream propagandists. I do respect real unsullied facts and data from uncompromised sources. If you have any, by all means post it.

Auntie Ovine
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2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Last year they increased by the largest amount since 1999. “While the pandemic has been blamed as one of the factors contributing to the overdose surge in 2020, many experts claim the contributing factors were already in place before it started. The crisis undoubtedly disrupted outreach and treatment programs as well as increasing levels of social isolation. However, the main problem is syntethic opioids like fentanyl. ”
https://www.statista.com/chart/18744/the-number-of-drug-overdose-deaths-in-the-us/

So, yes. More people died from overdoses than covid in San Francisco . Along with heart attacks, cancer, etc. But not more than the whole country. Nationwide covid deaths were more than 5 times that of drug overdoses. But then drug overdoses had increased each year prior to that too. While covid deaths were zero in 2019.

Just Gimme Some Truth
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Just Gimme Some Truth
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Neither do I, Fay – I don’t know a soul who has died from covid. I don’t even know anyone who has been hospitalized. I do however know two people who died from the vaccine, and a third person whose health has been broken for the rest of his life.

liar
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liar
2 years ago

No you don’t know anyone who’s died from the vaccine.

Guest
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2 years ago
Reply to  liar

No, not a lie.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago

Thank you. The number of vaxxxcine deaths and injuries is absolutely astounding. Almost 11,000 vaxxx dead, and close to 500,000 injuries in US many of them serious. The propaganda machine that has the dumb dumbs in its grip will not report this. The reporting service VAERS collects reports from private citizens, hospitals, and assorted associations. Most people do not know about VAERS, and many doctors who do just ignore it. The dreadful figures above are the tip of a hidden catastrophe. We are talking genocide.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Endless distortions. All said with absolute authority. Everyone here regularly has heard of VAERS. Constantly. And been told many times that reporting a death after vaccination does not mean a person died of vaccination. As it says right on the website.

But even if you were right, and you aren’t, vaccination reduces the chance of death for many, many , many, many more people than that number. Vaccination preserves life. Anti vaxxers kill those they make afraid.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Actually in 2018 it was 3.28 million people died. 2019 the amount of people who died in the United States was 3.3 million, 3,300,000 people. The exact number of people who died in the United States in 2020 was….. drum roll please…..3,358,814 people.

In the face of this extremely deadly world wide pandemic that we must test everyone for to see if they have covid 19, and threaten everyone to vaccinate against covid 19, only 60,000 more people died in 2020 than 2019 and only 80,000 more died in 2020 than 2018.

Folks, the milks gone bad!! Someone is full of bull pucky somewhere.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm

Course I have found another page on the cdc that says that 2.85 million people died in 2019 and 2.86 died in 2020, I don’t understand that discrepancy. Maybe the data was incomplete at that time.

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago

“In 2019, a total of 2,854,838 resident deaths were registered in the United States—15,633 more deaths than in 2018.”

“In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths occurred in the United States (Table). The age-adjusted rate was 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population, an increase of 15.9% from 715.2 in 2019.”

Those quotes are directly from CDC reports.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Did you go onto the second page where they then state that 2.86 million died in 2020, I addressed that in my comment. Why are there two different numbers for deaths? Also those numbers do a lot to confuse. There are only two that matter and thats the total deaths from one year to the next. Why did you take numbers from two different tables?

HotCoffee
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2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Tim,

Does it say how much the elderly population increased?
The older the population, the more that are likely to die, um, because they’re old …. hmm.
Especially when you have people like Cuomo shoveling the infected into nursing homes.

Details matter.

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Not in the reports I glanced at. I think their “age-adjusted rate” accounts for differentially expected mortality in the elderly (i.e. with more elderly you’d expect higher mortality rates) but I didn’t do a deep dive into their methods for calculating rates.

Here's Johnny!
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Here's Johnny!
2 years ago

Oh, hey, 1911 trust, have you found the new page in the CDC where they have just admitted that the PCR test does NOT distinguish between covid and ALL OTHER TYPES OF FLU? Read this again. It’s true, go and look (you are not going to find it in the MSM). They’re having the FDA pull it by December. Oops! So of alllllllllll those “positive covid” tests, how many might have just been good ol’ flu. Which – surprise! – nobody – not a soul – seems to have come down with for a year and a half. Oh, but that was because of the masks. Yeah, yeah, the masks, yeah. Jesus wept, what a shitshow. The biggest of all time.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Here's Johnny!

Well if you found it, post a link because that is nonsense. It would be interesting to see exactly what words you misunderstood.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

My guess is that they are referring to the announcement that the EUA for one of the brands of rapid tests is being withdrawn as of the end of 2021.

It is odd that they are letting a test that they don’t appear to believe is useful enough for an EUA to continue to be used for another 5 months

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Somehow I’m failing to find that page as well. I did find the one where they decided they weren’t going to be in the business of manufacturing and distributing covid tests now that there’s dozens of approved commercial tests labs could be using instead, and gave five months of notice of this to labs so they’d have time to source different tests…

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Here's Johnny!

Great post!! Spot on!!! There is no pandemic. It’s a manufacture, hyped with boatloads of fear porn by mainstream media, SillyCon Valley, big Pharma and corrupt national public “health” scoundrels.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Well Northern California is usually a decade or two behind everyone else in everything. Doesn’t mean the pandemic deaths wouldn’t have caught up here except so many were willing to get vaccinated.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

What?! I thought our low level of vaccine uptake was a problem? Hell ya! Glad you guys killed it by gittin jabbed!

AA
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AA
2 years ago

Thanks, that guy in Arcata. Humboldt has the 4th least deaths of all 50 counties in cal. per capita for Covid.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Thanks Fay Wray.

“Most COVID deaths in England now are in the vaccinated – here’s why that shouldn’t alarm you.

More vaccinated people are dying of COVID than unvaccinated people, according to a recent report from Public Health England (PHE). The report shows that 163 of the 257 people (63.4%) who died of the delta variant within 28 days of a positive COVID test between February 1 and June 21, had received at least one dose of the vaccine. At first glance, this may seem alarming, but it is exactly as would be expected.“

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-covid-deaths-uk-vaccinated.html

Auntie Ovine
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2 years ago
Reply to  AA

So what is your point? As that article says “this means the risk of death for double vaccinated people has been cut to less than one-twentieth of the value for unvaccinated people with the same underlying risk profile.”

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

The point is that most people that die of the delta variant in the uk are vaxxed.

That’s what the article says.

Winter is coming
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Winter is coming
2 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

Not a single person under 49.

And 50-60 year olds are only 5% of the total deaths.

A whopping 75% of dead (from, or with covid) are 70 years of age and older.

(It’s those people, if they are gung-ho about getting experimental vaccines, that can have at it. )

Y’all can STFU about your jab giving you magic powers to “protect” anyone else.

The real risk of the “vaccinated” contracting and spreading the virus – without active infections- (per CDC) exists. That alone tells me that the jab actually does the opposite of “protecting” others because, as explained by Namer, and Guest, this gives free reign for variants to be created and the vaxxed don’t even know if they’re sick, so they are out and about.

But hey. All the cool kids are doing it…

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago

So little time, so much wrong information. And so often repeated.

Winter is coming
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Winter is coming
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

So much wrong ? Do tell.

The bulk of my post is DIRECTLY FROM THE HUMBOLDT COVID DASHBOARD. And the CDC.

But obvious and well known (repeated?) FACTS don’t seem to sink in.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago

Thank you. Well, it’s not exactly what we were expecting. The hype was get vaccinated to avoid contracting the overly hyped “Covid.” Okay, many did just that. But but but… the goal post moved again. What is happening is the vaxxxed are now far more susceptible to corona viruses. The “vaccine” is specific for Covid-19. Were this a true ‘vaccine’ but it’s not. Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche, a renowned virologist, in a number of Bitchute videos explains why this is so. He is strictly about the science, not the politicizing of this. He has invented a number of vaccines, at one time worked with GAVI, and has impeccable credentials to be stating his shocking revelation about the coming catastrophe. I highly recommend you search him out.

Winter is coming
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Winter is coming
2 years ago

Masks are appropriate
1. If YOU are actively ill.

2. If someone is ill in your home.

The dramatic masking and social distancing can GTFO.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago

Yes, we should test people daily to determine if they’re actively ill before they’re allowed to go out of their houses. Because, you know, about half of people with covid have no symptoms at all, despite being ill and able to transmit it to others.

Striker
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Striker
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Let me be the judge of your test ! You have it! Now You are going to be locked up with some who really has it.

Winter is coming
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Winter is coming
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Key word :Actively .

As in symptomatic.

Your bogus 50% stat is nothing but fodder for the fearful. Trusting in the error-prone and frankly, unreliable PCR testing got us into this trouble. Getting an valid and true positive result takes costly additional lab work that isn’t a part of the superficial system in place right now.

Look at Humboldt dashboard. Community transmission is actually half of that which was linked to a known case. I think you flipped the script.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago

PCR testing has been repeatedly shown to be reliable, and is continually being shown to be so, by the recent practice of sequencing positive tests to identify the variant. If the test were unreliable, they wouldn’t be reliably identifying variants found in positive tests. They’re doing this costly and additional lab work, and it’s confirming the other tests work excellently.

Winter is coming
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Winter is coming
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

No they aren’t the PCR is designed for screening only, and throughout the pandemic different calibrations have been employed.

If one is actually sick they will then possible offer specific authorized tests.

NAATs are high-sensitivity, high-specificity tests for diagnosing SARS-CoV-2 infection. NAATs detect one or more viral ribonucleic acid (RNA) genes and indicate a current infection or a recent infection but, due to prolonged viral RNA detection, are not always direct evidence for the presence of virus capable of replicating or of being transmitted to others. Most NAATs need to be processed in a laboratory and time to results can vary (~1–3 days), but some NAATs are point-of-care tests with results available in about 15–45 minutes. Most NAATs produce qualitative results. NAATs can be performed on upper respiratory specimens such as nasopharyngeal, nasal mid-turbinate, anterior nasal, or saliva

They cost money.. they take time. They rule out the false positives. Of course they are not employing them with any regularity. Please.

Winter is coming
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Winter is coming
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Haha HARD recall.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago

It’s not a recall, for one. Apparently the most serious type of recall is one that is only within the author’s head? It’s just an announcement that at the end of the year, they will stop providing them.

The CDC has decided not to be in the business of manufacturing covid tests, now that there is a robust commercial availability of such tests. This is not unexpected. They don’t manufacture and distribute tests for most other diseases either.

Don’t get your “news” from sites that spout bullshit.

Winter is coming
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Winter is coming
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

How many sets of cheer pom poms have people wore out jumping up and down for Fauci, and fraud testing, masking, lock downs, mad jabs and sk(r)ewed data?

Dang that’s some commitment.

Even when the team is down 14points, floundering around, and getting red flagged right and left, keep on shouting go team! Go!

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

LOLS:-))). The PCR protocol is a total fraud. The labs are frauds, too. This is no secret. We are in an unprecedented delusion.

namer
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namer
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Then, there’s the whole matter of whether anyone has ever bothered with, “reliably identifying variants,” at all.

Or, whether the “variant” appellation pertains entirely to the arbitrary “viewing window” of one extremely long sequence, as Dr. David Martin claims.

Littlefoot
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Littlefoot
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

You just said in another comment that asymptomatic spread is unlikely, does that only apply to vaccinated people somehow?

Nice science bro.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Littlefoot

I did?

Craig
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Craig
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Hmm, sounds like straight from the CCP play book.

fishkiller
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fishkiller
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

pretty sure you shouldn’t need a test to tell you that your “actively ill”

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  fishkiller

Why would you be sure of that? Many other diseases can also be spread by people who don’t know they have them. It’s why you get STD tests before having unprotected sex with a new partner, for example. This has been known for some time – as another example, the original Typhoid Mary was asymptomatic…

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

I focus on polio because my mother was a victim of it before there was a vaccine. So I’ve read quite a bit on it and it’s history. One thing I found quite surprising was that perhaps as many as 75% of the people infected were asymptomatic.

Misguidedyouth
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Misguidedyouth
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

How many people do u actually know do that? What kind of fear world do u live in?

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Misguidedyouth

Do what? Take advantage of Planned Parenthood’s STD testing services, one of the many things they do that benefit the community?

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Definitely less harmful than loads of neglected children

Call me crazy
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Call me crazy
2 years ago

2 billion for vaccine hesitancy is another pork filled barrel.

You can’t solve this problem by indenturing our children to a neofeudal future.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Call me crazy

Exactly. And those who are vaxxxed got it for free. The taxpayers paid Big Pharma’s business model, creating nine new billionaires. I smell something fishy.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

Yes. Pharmaceutical companies having a profit is so much more suspicious than people dying…

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

I don’t see anything fishy about people dying. So long as it’s not falsely labelled “Covid.”

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago

Its insane. All the worlds doctors, health experts, governments, business’s want to stop this and return to a near normal life. My business will not survive another two years of surges and lockdowns. The fake money printing will stop and an even bigger problem, Recession or Depression will likely be around the corner. Its like denying Climate Change is harmful, heatwaves, droughts, fires, ice storms. The truth smacks you in the face. Yet, Trump was extremely successful in one major arena, making people believe the science and media are their enemy. We as a species are screwed when half of you out there are complete morons. Idiots. Self righteous uneducated and unwilling to look beyond your next BBQ.

Misguidedyouth
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Misguidedyouth
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

I knew media was evil waaay before trump.. and science is an ever changing board because that’s what science is… That has been perpetrated by the other side of the coin. See.. same coin.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Yeah but you overlook the most glaring fact. My next BBQ is fun, worrying about all that crap isn’t. Maybe your business needs to become more competitive. Change is hard.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Guest,

You are correct.

nope
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nope
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

No you are dead wrong all medical experts are suggesting that we consider moving back to masking.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

“half of you out there are complete morons. Idiots. Self righteous uneducated”

That’s not insulting to half the commenters at all. But me telling someone they have egg on their face because half of the cases in UK, Israel are among vaccinated people gets my entire comment banished?

And Bushytails threatening a weapon for someone who gets in a car while drinking? I guess threats of violence and insults from the left are double plus good. Antifa good, Jan 6 bad. Got it.

Some animals are more equal than others.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

That’s benign.

Vitamin jokes are much less benign.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

“Aw…that mote in the eye of thy neighbor is so easy to see.”

I only point out others insults as proof of your glaring double standard. I am not the hypocrite chastising and deleting one set of opinions as offensive while another set of equally, if not blatantly offensive opinions are left to stand. You should marinate on your own quote for awhile.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Darn tooting shame.

Flag waiving false patriots.

The Constitution was a liberal agenda.

Don’t like it?

Saudi Arabian monarchy survives as the old conservative way.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Good way to divert attention away from a real issue because political pissing couldn’t be resisted.

If the Constitution really was a a ‘liberal agenda’ rather than a practical compromise among very different political ideals, why was the very foundation of it to ensure the same rights as Englishmen had under the traditional British monarchy as they resented being denied those rights as colonials? And enshrined the rights to property, including human property, limited government power against the individual, perpetuate each States ability govern as it was fit which no liberal has ever found palatable. They keep wanting to force everyone according to their current theories. The Constitution really restricted the ability to tax and spend- a not liberal ideal for sure. It was no more liberal than anyone looking to take power for themself. Liberalism was not even under consideration. They were seeking to keep the power they had evolved in the colonies. A very conservative ideal.

And in truth China is a not-monarchy of liberal origins that survives as rigid authoritarians, of a giving very little of the things that form a liberal ideology.

This is just more of the rewriting of the meaning of words and history to fix a narrative in black and white that’s really a Sea of gray. The liberals in education have become altogether too fond of doing that.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

If the Constitution really was a a ‘liberal agenda’ rather than a practical compromise among very different political ideals, 

At the time, those were exactly the same thing.

The founders mention “illiberal” in discussing what NOTto put in th ed Constitution many many times.

The problem with the rest of your comment is that it decries “liberals” of today, without addressing liberalism of circa 1650.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

“Group insults like “Liberalism is a mental disorder” and “half of you out there are complete morons.” are allowed.”

Oh really? Then why did the maskholes comment get deleted?

“Specific insults to another commenter like “x is slow” are not allowed.”

My comment that said: “translation: I don’t have a rebuttal” was not an attack on anybody. My other comment, asking how they could see through the egg on their face, when they have been proven wrong on an issue that could cost someone their life, was hardly an insult.

On this thread alone I can recall two comments that are direct insults:

#1.”You are massively ignorant.” #2. “liar-No you don’t know anyone who’s died from the vaccine.”

“if they can’t stop whining about things that have been repeatedly explained to them….”

Truth is a bitter pill. So of course, me pointing out your hypocrisy is deemed to be whining and “too much work”. Banishing me is much easier than admitting or explaining your hypocrisy so no surprise there; that’s what liberals do.

rollin
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rollin
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

“Group insults….are allowed” “you can’t use a specific slur directed just at them” “You can say that people who wear masks are idiots”

That’s not confusing at all

“I’m sorry that you expect me to remember the ones that have upset you”

It was days ago, not months. You have a record of my deleted comments. One of them a response to Yeah Sure with a simple: Translation: I don’t have a rebuttal. You warned me not to attack the commenter then both comments were deleted. It was not an attack.

“I will kick and scream when people insult a group I identify with,” says rollin”

Saying “liberalism is a mental disorder” does not make me a hypocrite. I’m fine with people criticizing me or my ideology. I’m not fine with one set of rules for me and another for people you agree with while you pretend to be neutral so I point out your hypocrisy (kicking and screaming).

I wouldn’t be “too much work/drama” if you weren’t so busy chasing me around. I wouldn’t have to point out your double standard and you wouldn’t have to run around editing 20 other commenters in an effort to appear to be even handed.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Hrmm, I didn’t even notice that got deleted. lol. I really dislike drunk drivers, and we really need to start treating them like the attempted murderers they are.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

I thought it got deleted because of its threat of violence. My response went with it.

Guest
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Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Saying someone has egg on their face is not an insult.

It is a euphemism for suggesting someone stated something that was proven untrue.

It is benign as suggesting someone has their head buried in the sand.

Now, asking someone “how they like to take their D” is beyond the pale.

I wonder which commenter pulled that one?

I don’t know of any that comment got deleted bit it is not being used as an example until now.

Was it deleted?

A slap on the wrist?

If that is an acceptable comment, I’ve got some vitamin jokes to address it with.

I’d post them with this comment, but I’d better not yet.

Meee
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Meee
2 years ago

Going on two years now. At some point we just have to moce forward and not live in constant fear. We all die of something someday. Quit living in fear and live what life you have left.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Meee

Going on two years now.

Waiting for some of you to acknowledge any of it and stop living in 2018.

huh
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huh
2 years ago
Reply to  Meee

It’s so strange to me that some people believe precaution can only come from fear.

Weirdos.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  huh

There seems to be a portion of the population who, since they only care about themselves and nothing else, are incapable of understanding that other people may care about the community as a whole. It’s especially stupid when it comes to an infectious disease, since preventing its spread in the community will also benefit themselves, but they can’t make the leap to see this.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Meee

With that idea I thoroughly agree. Another year of lockdowns would lead to a revolution or at least a decay into widespread violence. The question is what to do more than what not to do.

Striker
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Striker
2 years ago

You can die from the shot !

Fu_k them and their 24/7 fake news propaganda.

Black on black killings are at a all time high. I am sure that this was the plan all along.

Overdosing death is coming for your family.

We are going to lose this Country if we don’t stand up to these killers.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Striker

Great discussion.

Bye bye now.

Winter is coming
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Winter is coming
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

It’s not an airport.

Anon
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Anon
2 years ago

“They” haven’t told the truth from the beginning. “2 weeks”equaled the shut down of society for over a year.( But not for wealthy folks who govern us ,or their children.) Nature would drive any parent regardless of wealth or power to protect their children. Yet,many have been in private schools unmasked for over.a.year. Many of our children were masked till June and are going back to school masked, a year later. It’s been different rules for different folks from the outset. We have villainized anyone who wanted to pause and think a moment , by calling them “Trumpsters and Q wackos”and even racists for questioning the origins of the virus. We have shamed people for seeing their families,in THEIR OWN HOMES if they were “over the allotted number of individuals allowed to gather”. (For the masses I mean.) We’ve seen vicious vitriol from teachers,school administrators,( and our kids have suffered immeasurably) community members, and coworkers.. I’m vaxxed,my family is vaxxed. We were tearful/joyful with relief when mask mandates were lifted. Not because we “don’t like masks”, but bc it meant recovering from this massive upheaval, trauma and control, toward normalcy. And now? A new new reason to be terrified, requiring maybe a new new booster and new new mandates. Who was it that said it wouldn’t be tanks that rolled thru the streets to take away our freedom,but we would quietly hand it over,without even a whimper. Heartbreaking,just sick about this,mainly for my sweet kids,grandkids.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Lies.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

What are the lies in that comment?

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon

And as people are divided and don’t know what to do only one thing remains true. The demonrats unite behind a cause they believe in to be true, while the redumblicans fumble around screaming about how they are the working man and the silent majority and if everyone would just follow the “rules” and the “Constitution” things would go back to normal. One side has already left the rules and constitution behind, so all it does now is hamstring the other side that still tries to abide by it. Then the demonrats cry “Racist!” and the most extreme of the redumblicans cry “Revolution!”

In all reality the demonrats have all the votes to go and do what they want, and this is a democracy, its nobody’s fault but the redumblicans own if they can’t organize and get the votes they supposedly have as the”silent majority.”

In all reality if the redumblicans hate the demonrat way of governing so much, and they are truly the “silent majority” and the “working man” then why don’t you all stop going to work and stop filing taxes? The whole entire “evil gubnent” will grind to a halt real quick without any funding. Or are you afraid they may seize your accounts and property? No real change ever happened without assuming some sort of risk.

Peaceful protests are stupid, just a way for people to get their jollys off and feel good about themselves while accomplishing nothing. Just another way to pacify the masses. Revolution is stupid, there are so many other alternatives to change things before harming another individual or property. If you really are the “silent majority” pull all your money out of your bank accounts and bury it and then stop paying your taxes, the government would collapse almost instantaneously and our country and countrymen would be left intact.

There is nothing more stupid than disliking the government in all it does yet still voluntarily funding everything it does, because those are “the rules.” Even though the government hasn’t followed any of the “rules” or Constitution in almost a century.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Thanks, anon.

“Science has, in many ways, helped ease the suffering of this pandemic …

which was more than likely

caused by science,” -Jon Stewart.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jon-stewart-coronavirus-wuhan-lab_n_60c835ace4b07e543bbd50fe

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

“God bless those scientists, but they are going to kill us all.”- John Stewart

AA
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AA
2 years ago

Yep.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Great post!. Heart felt. Yeah, this is non-ending and there will be no end to the rape of our health, our middle class businesses, and our Constitutional guarantees. It’s a guaranteed poverty plan, for us. And yes, the wealthy were not impacted. They flew in their private jets to their vacation watering homes all around this planet. Special travel dispensations only the rich can receive. They own the “essential” businesses. We own virtually nothing, not even our own minds and bodies. We have been HAD!!

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Fay Wray

I think we’ve been had too. But by the anti vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, the public education system, mass media, internet socializing.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Now, I think you and I could have some coffee together and chat reasonably.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago

That’s “Trumptards” to you…

Face-rags are for stupid, frightened ignorant people who refuse to be vaccinated…

Go ahead and ask me to mask… Even the healthcare facilities have stopped handing them out…

Go jump in the lake with your mask on, jump in two lakes if one won’t hold you, although, I went to Trader Joe’s in Colma the other day and everyone had on a mask, but me…

They have repeatedly announced that “nobody is testing positive but un-vaccinated people”… Does anyone trust anything the government says, any more?

Get vaccinated. Do it NOW! COVID will NEVER end until YOU are vaccinated…

Forced vaccination, coming soon to a Safeway near you…

Bearjoo
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Bearjoo
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

they would like you to accept the mark of the beast to buy or sell. It does create antigen specific antibodies which will latch onto the spike protein of variants but won’t stop the disease. IT will, however, destroy your natural immunity.

This is a complete violation of Nuremberg trials. You deserve informed consent.

I kill Nazis so its only another ballgame for the bearjoo… Lets go yard on em if they mandate the IBM death camp system!

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Let’s be clear:

I said it.

There are probably cases being called “breakthrough” infections, but nobody is talking about the immunological condition of the patient… If you are immunocompromised, you may not make competent antibodies, just like since Humboldt is morally compromised, it naturally won’t elect honest or competent leaders…

I digress…

There’s lots of reasons for everything, but as Dr Robert Shiman Chang, MD, DsC , Professor of Medicine at UC Davis would always say, “if you have had mononucleosis and recovered, and then you catch it again, we will write a paper about you…”

So, Ms Kemp, and I hope you are not admitting that you are an “anti-vaxer” here, if you get fully vaccinated and otherwise have a functioning immune system, and then you get COVID, we will do a study…

Thanks for your patience and indulgence, every day!

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

OH, AND:

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2021/07/23/hillsong-church-stephen-harmon-dies-covid-19-unvaccinated/

Silly people, won’t get the vaccine… Then someone will have to take care of you, and later dispose of your corpse…

4,000,000 Indians (in India) dead from COVID so far.

bearjew
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bearjew
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

so you took your Trump shots then? How cute… “My Body My Choice” — remember?

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  bearjew

Well, of course! Senior Citizen and all that…

There is no choice. Get your shots, if you want to beat this disease… Or to say it another way, get your vaccine, before we make you…

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

And on the Klamath:

Boil the water!

Will the “deniers” refuse to boil, since it’s a “government plot”? Will “boiling” alter the water, making it “unhealthy”?

Maybe just strain it through your mask…

News at 11…

Craig
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Craig
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

” …….get your vaccine, before we make you…”

Good luck with that thought, right out of the CCP playbook.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

VMG, who is we?

What exactly do you mean, this time?

🤔🧐You’ve confused me with this before. 😁

Per your use, before,
Do you imply speaking as, “we” instead of, as only “I”, that somehow, you alone, are representive of a larger group than just yourself?

I’m not being critical of it, I’m just trying to get my head wrapped around it.

You may just be using it as a figure of speech.

On the other hand…

Do you have donor tissue?

Somebody else’s kidney?

Or…?

Well, we’ll just leave it at that.

🤔🧐Hey!, Now you’ve got me doing it! 😁

“I’ll”, just leave it at that.

And now,
Do you imply that you are “A” representative of a larger group?

A group that is going to force vaccinate?

Or do you do both?

Do tell?

You’ve done the “we” thing before.

More than once.
Are you just using it condescendingly?

Are you just exaggerating?

Like you seem to be doing with the Covid19 deaths in India?

I’m finding the official number to be 419k.

Not 4m, like you said.

That’s quite an exaggeration, VMG.

Very, very impressive, VMG!

🤔🧐 Hey! Now you’ve got me doing it!😁

So,
India has only 2/3’s the number of deaths as the US., but over 4 times the population.

At 1,398,765,143 Indians,

They’ve had 300 Covid19 deaths per million people.

At around 332,000,000 Americans, we’ve had about 1837 per million

Where’s the problem?

It seems like it’s in the US, not in India.

Now, about that group of you represent as about to force vaccinate people…

That’s fascinating.

Tell me more!

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

That’s some “state of the art thinking”, there…

I meant “we” as the Queen of England might use it…

You have many concerns, but I am certain I couldn’t force you to do anything…

Force, as in the Federal Government, like with the “real ID”…

Believe it, they will think of something! It’s “down the road”…

Tim
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Tim
2 years ago
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Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Tim

Yes, I read something to that effect. and 4 times, and 6 times,

I wonder if they got 10 times, from 4 times and 6 times?

How do you feel about the new method of counting serious breakthrough cases and deaths compared to total number with at least one dose?

Seem legit to you, Tim?

I like stars
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I like stars
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Just curious…

If “Trumptard” is acceptable here, will “Bidiot” also be ok?

Anon
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Anon
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

calmatters.org
Web results
Breakthrough COVID is rare in California

Anon
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Anon
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Hi Kym ,
As of July 14 CDC reports .0003 percent of vaccinated people account for breakthrough cases. They indicate that vaccinated people do not spread the virus either ,or its so rare it not computable maybe. Additionally,those .0003 percent typically have very mild ,cold like symptoms. Just paraphrasing to not take up too much room.
Hope this helps.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Anon,

Is that because they changed the methodology to compute breakthrough cases yet again.

And in their latest contrivance, they are comparing breakthrough cases, only hospitalizations and death, to all fully vaccinated people since vaccinations began?

.000003?

Really?

You’ve got pluck, I’ll give you that.

But you’ve no shame.

Yes, I see it.

.0003% of vaccinated people
are infected anyway…

And you imply that vaccinated people can’t spread the virus, but what you fail to mention is, quite cunningly, is that they are stating that literally having only been vaccinated cannot spread the virus. That is what is incomputable.

How very Netanyahu of you.

Things don’t get much more deceptive than that, Anon.

Take a bow.

You’ve outdone yourself.

But here is where you actually crossed the line of truth,

You said that the .0003% actually did not get that sick.

And that is false.

Those are the hospitalizations and deaths.

You had to stretch it too far didn’t you?

If you had only said .003% it would have been true enough.

But you had to push it.

You have discredited yourself.

So has the CDC.

That is the fourth time they have changed the methodology of their definition and the way they compute breakthrough cases.

It is shameful.

They are shameless.

I wouldn’t emulate them.

It’s complete balderdash.

Cincin
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Cincin
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

VMG- You sound very confused. You really ought to talk to someone.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Cincin

Who, me?

Old, but very lucid, usually…

I talk to my therapist. We are married.

Lulz
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Lulz
2 years ago

Maybe if there were more outreach clinics like Tacos y Vacunas!

Small bowls of rice and vaccines for our asian population! Curry and Vaxx for the Indians.

After all, vaxx hesitancy is highest among minorities, right?

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  Lulz

Despite your chuckly name, you are not funny.
And what may I ask is wrong with serving the food that a particular ethnicity likes? Are you insinuating that they are stupid and can be drawn in by their ethnic foods or are you saying that they should be served hot dogs and apple pie or are you just saying stupid shit?
Or is it just that some ethnicities are hesitant about the vaccine and creating a more comfortable atmosphere for them may ease some of the hesitation?

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

What I find most annoying is these perks aren’t available retroactively to responsible people – I want my free taco!

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

I want tamales. No really, I’m craving a good tamale right now.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

🤔🧐Good things come to those who wait.😁

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Or, you could look into history, before it’s canceled, and acknowledge why they are hesitant.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

You mean the history where major diseases became virtually unknown because of vaccination? Oh no, you don’t mean that at all. You mean that you want to only look at the problems that were unfortunate than look at the overall result which was hugely successful. Because success, no matter how wide spread, means less than picking out the small bits that which confirm your bias.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

If you had asked, instead of telling me what I mean. I would have said that experiences like the Tuskegee experiments possibly has an effect on the way some minorities feel about bring jabbed.
Or their general belief that they get substandard heath care in general.

Or that peoples beliefs are based on many factors no matter their race or culture.

But, I realize you will just keep assuming you know what that lump of people you refer to means when they speak.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

No, the history of murderers, liars, and thieves in high places. That history.

namer
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namer
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Are you saying that everyone with lineage traced back to any Latin American country ought to be more attracted to Mexican food than: A bowl of Bun with egg rolls, bbq pork and quail eggs; a plate of sausages with mushroom & sauerkraut pierogi and extra sour cream; or a gift card to Applebee’s?

Or, are you just trying too hard to be the hero?

Lulz
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Lulz
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

*chuckle chuckle*

Rayburn
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Rayburn
2 years ago

The only legitimate reason I find to follow this renewed recommendation of indoor masking is because children under 12 still cannot get vaccinated. They are unvaccinated and they have no choice in the matter. With COVID still circulating widely in our community it’s only fair to those under 12 to follow this guidance.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Rayburn

But they rarely catch it, rarely spread it, and even more rarely actually get sick. It literally doesn’t affect them.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago

This is not true. Israel has been finding youth are the primary spreaders of the delta variant, and are rushing to vaccinate youth to stop it. While they may only rarely become severely ill, they definitely both catch and spread it freely. Also, the long-term effects of a covid infection are unknown, even if not severely ill initially.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Rayburn

I think most of it is due to unvaccinated people not wearing masks contrary to the requirement that they do so, and it being much more feasible to make everyone wear a mask than to require everyone without a mask to prove their vaccination status.

Mendo Local
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Mendo Local
2 years ago

Government Tyranny !!!!

Mr and Mrs
Guest
2 years ago

Question about asymptomatic spread. If you are asymptomatic does that mean your viral load is less? Seams logical. So how do asymptomatic people spread it again? Or do they?. Question the vaccine doesn’t stop covid just symptoms? So does that mean vaxers have higher viral loads? Maybe they are the ones causing mutations and spread to us non vaxed. Hmm. You better keep your mask on a get your booster fan boys and girls. Stay home also.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Mr and Mrs

There is no such thing as asymptomatic spread. The Medical Industrial Complex conflated the two terms asymptomatic spread and presymptomatic spread. Someone who is asymptomatic is so because their immune system suppressed the viral so much as to not exhibit symptoms. So few virus being shed makes it hard to transmit. Not impossible but highly improbable.

Presymptomatic spread is the method by which all respiratory viruses known to man have spread, apparently until covid 19. The viral load for influenza, the cold, tuberculosis, viral pneumonias, and all other respiratory diseases is highest 1-4 days before the onset of symptoms, meaning they are most contagious right before you actually get sick.

What most people don’t realize is that the symptoms that you experience from an illness is actually your body’s immune response, and resulting “battle” that happens within your body. Its easy to capitalize on the ignorance of many.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago

Thanks. That was very informative. Another Orwellian term created to fit the scam.

Chuck U
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Chuck U
2 years ago

I have an opinion but I have to watch USA wipe the ping pong floor with Mongolia’s ass

Specialist
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Specialist
2 years ago

They knew all the jab risks in October 2020 during this FDA presentation.

Timestamp 2:33:40 for the image they blew theough very quickly.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1XTiL9rUpkg

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Specialist

Did you miss the bit about “possible” side effects? Not will happen side effects but one that have happened with vaccines in the past and that even then were just possibly related to vaccination? You know so that they could be looking for them? Just in case?

Think of it as looking both ways across the street. Something you do to keep from getting hit by a car, not something you do knowing you’ll be hit by a car.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

But, But, you tell the people that do look both ways that they are hallucinating when they see a car, because you don’t like the street they saw it on.

It seems I can’t get anyone to answer the question about letting over a million unvaxxed into the country and dispersing them all throughout while demonizing unvaxxed citizens. I see a car, a car!

Can you see it AO? And the driver is not wearing seatbelts!!

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

I see that letting a million unvaccinated people into the country is a political consideration about the duplicity of politicians that shouldn’t upset anti vaxxers WHO THINK VACCINATION IS DANGEROUS. You haven’t seen a car. You’ve seen a cop who allows traffic to go only in one direction. Stop mixing you metaphors.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Pretty sure hot coffee is asking you about why you are upset about your neighbors not getting injections and yet you aren’t upset about your rulers letting in a million unvaccinated new neighbors

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago

Thank you, I thought I was pretty clear, but AO is so anti-vaxxer she/he is the one who can’t see. Wouldn’t a cop and traffic indicate cars, AO?
Always exaggerating the positions of anti-vaxxers or anti-Jabbers (they are not the same thing) and ignoring anything that doesn’t flow with His/Her position.

It was also interesting to find out AO posts under other names. Hmm, I wonder which names. Care to enlighten us AO?

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago

You know, I have always been upset at incompetent immigration policies. And for the same reason I get upset with anti vaxxers. It’s a complicated issue with great harm inflicted by refusing to admit there are major problems with doing nothing.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

No, I don’t know you’ve been upset about the unvaxxed entering the country.
I know I haven’t heard you consider it at all, while lambasting your neighbors.
More like Oh, well that’s political and therefore irrelevant.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

So you dig up those quality studies from trusted sources comparing health outcomes for children on the cdc vax schedule vs delayed, reduced, or refused yet? Or do we just have the two peer reviewed studies that I’ve shared that indicate that reduced/delayed or unvaccinated children may have better health outcomes in some areas? What about your good solid study that offers a different number than the 1% reporting in vaers that I and others have shared?

I’m just curious what “doing nothing ” means in your analogy. Is it just idly allowing an industry with a dirty past and immunity from liability inject whatever they’ve gotten their regulators to approve this week into your kids body? Is that like allowing the chemical ag industry to continue to inject undocumented and exploitable labor into our body politic so they can keep the price of their subsidized poison low so the serfs don’t start getting uppity?

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago

You got that backwards. There are hundreds and hundreds of studies showing the advantage of vaccination while there is only one created by an anti vax family that was not peer reviewed to show the opposite. Of course you are free as youvwant to misinterpret any of the more authoritative ones .

Your future with covid-19-

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Oh really? Hundr3ds and hundreds? Well geez why don’t you link any of them? I’ve been asking you for weeks at this point.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Specialist

Thanks specialist.

“Generally, a claim must be submitted to the CICP within one (1) year from the date of receiving the vaccine.”

https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download

AA
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AA
2 years ago

“This has raised new questions about whether natural infections are more protective against the delta variant than vaccinations – but the answer is not yet certain.

Israel: Evidence for vaccine effectiveness against Delta

Percent of cases that turn critically ill is now 1.6%, compared to 4% at a similar stage in the 3rd wave when there were no vaccines“

https://www.fr24news.com/a/2021/07/the-covid-epidemic-in-israel-mainly-affects-fully-vaccinated-people-what-is-happening.html

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago

If the Dems stopped with the Covid hysteria, what would there be to talk about?

The rise in crime?
The rise in drug deaths?
The rise in prices on everything?
The incoherence of Biden?
Hunters laptop?
Unemployment?
Inflation?
Sending the country into further bankruptcy?
How Pasaki never circles back to her circle backs?
Hiding info. on the Texas runaways?
Who killed Ashli and why?
Did the FBI send in their goons on Jan. 6th?
Inviting the UN run by Russia, China, Haiti, and Cuba, to monitor the USA?
Shutting down our pipelines while supporting Russia’s?
Supporting Iran?
Riots in Africa, Haiti, France, Germany, Italy, etc.
ETC.

Seems like a few good reasons to keep the hysteria going to me, but of course it’s all just anti vaxx gibberish, right?

Just wondering….. Or is it a conspiracy to keep the real news out of the news?

News flash, the NWO wants to collapse all countries, so we will beg them to save us…. and of course they will be happy to oblige, for a price, keep watching.

Steve Adams
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Steve Adams
2 years ago

Go read the data from the CDC own. This has nothing to do with Trump. The delta variant has been in country and rising since May, perhaps earlier. At the same time the deaths are declining. Go do what you do but soon you will be the only one with a mask (cloth or otherwise) in Humboldt County

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago

If they ever do shut up about Covid the next topic to dominate will be climate change, and don’t expect the conversation to include the magnetic pole shifting, Fukushima, China or India. Nor the effect of tsunamis on trash in the ocean. They will find their scapegoats, and I expect it will be the same people they now demonize as anti-vaxxers,
because it sure won’t be the jet-setting billionaires or the rocket men that get blamed.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

You’re right about one thing – whatever problems we have next, it probably will be blamed on the same set of people. Except you’re ignoring that it might be because the same set of people are the cause of a rather large portion of problems.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Don’t worry Bushy you’re safe, until you disagree with something TPTB don’t like you disagreeing about.
I hope I’m around to see your comments then.

Cmon man get real
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Cmon man get real
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Bunyip dreaming.

Spud
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Spud
2 years ago

No thanks.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Spud

Seems like the title should be “always trust large corporations”…

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

DDT, asbestos, and heroin were all vetted by the science of the day. What we are told to trust (Trust The Science!) is always corporate science. There are many natural treatments for cancer that have similar success rates to corporate industrial poison treatments, the natural ones are mostly banned in the US

Freedumb
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Freedumb
2 years ago

My comment never made it through. Am I in trouble?? If I say there is no covid from a reliable source would you believe me?

Guesst
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Guesst
2 years ago
Reply to  Freedumb

My 6’5” 42 year old healthy male friend got what he assumed was Covid 2 months ago. 104* degree temperature for days and all the other flu symptoms. Almost went to the hospital for fear of his organs being damaged but he didn’t. Was sick for a week. He then took the vax and had some heart pain for 3 days. Once again thought of going to the ER but he didn’t. Fine now.

And I’ve had friends with serious adverse effects from the vaccine. Two with blood clots, whom I will say have recovered and are fine now.

Pick your poison. Neither path is easy

Misguidedyouth
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Misguidedyouth
2 years ago
Reply to  Guesst

That is if you actually contract it… Which is still highly unlikely.. and also the fact that 99% Who do get it recover from it

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
2 years ago
Reply to  Misguidedyouth

More likely than you think. It is not 99% it is 96.43% of those that recover meaning over 3% die which should not be acceptable for anyone to not adhere to the safety of others or yourself. I currently have COVID and I can tell you I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy.

Guesst
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Guesst
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

I’m sorry LL. Keep us posted and best wishes.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Guesst

Best to you LL.

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
2 years ago
Reply to  Guesst

, Hotcoffee, blessings. 6 days in and barely any improvement. 6 days of fever, chills, sweats, muscle and joint pain and exhaustion, 5 steps and I am worn out. Heart palpitations but that might be mental cause ya feel like you’re dying. Also, I am a male so we are wusses. Lungs are ok so far even though I smoke just a little cough/hack. They say it takes a week to two weeks to make the antibodies so I am hoping I start to improve. Be safe out there!

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Thanks Kym, if not I will be commenting, lol. Be safe and blessings.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

I keep thinking of you since you said you had it and wishing you a good recovery.

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Agree.

Best wishes for Legal Lettuce. Take care of yoourself.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

LL,
I too, will be wishing you a speedy recovery.

Keep those comments coming.

🖖

AA
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AA
2 years ago

“Almost half of UK COVID infections are in people who are at least partly vaccinated, study suggests.

That’s probably because the virus is just running out of people to infect who haven’t already been exposed and don’t have natural immune unity in those groups [unvaccinated people],” Prof Tim Spector, an epidemiologist from King’s College London.

Cases seem to be plateauing in unvaccinated — a good signal.

Cases in unvaccinated people were estimated to be 22% lower than the previous week,

while cases in vaccinated people rose by 40%. This suggests the wave in the unvaccinated population has now peaked in the UK, the study authors said in the press release.”

https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-half-covid-19-cases-had-vaccine-study-zoe-delta-2021-7?op=1

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
2 years ago

Personally speaking I am better looking wearing a mask. Not opposed but I also wore a cup when I played sports. Put on a construction hat when on a construction site. Kinda got forced to wear a helmet to ride my motorcycle, boy did that piss me off but I complied. Had to wear a helmet when I was in the military thought it best to comply so I didn’t get my head shot off. I always wear shoes and have on a shirt when I go out to eat so I get service…………Silly rabbits, Trix are for kids……

Misguidedyouth
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Misguidedyouth
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Those are all prophylactics for things that will happen far more often than getting corona. Oh and masks don’t stop viral particles..

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
2 years ago
Reply to  Misguidedyouth

Hmm, well, when I was wearing a mask I did not get the corona. Now I got the corona but I wasn’t wearing a mask. Maybe the mask has other powers like making people aware to stay outta your space. Maybe I was more aware when wearing a mask. I do know I look way better wearing a mask. That’s my science.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Hey man welcome to the club of natural immunity!

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
2 years ago

Geez, I hope so, 5 days in and no improvement and I have tried every remedy I know. This virus does not seem to be natural. I am not a conspiracy theorist but I am interested in knowing if others have the same feelings. I know my body been in it 50÷ years, very odd.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

❤❤❤

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Thanks guest. I been frustrated til I saw this, made it less frustrating. much appreciated, blessings.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

I believe I had it Nov. 2019. Took at least a week to shake the worst of it and another 3 weeks to start to feel somewhat normal.
Hang in there. Stay hydrated!

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
2 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Blessings, trying to stay hydrated but I miss my morning coffee. I am more interested in knowing if you felt this to be a natural creation because at this point I am skeptical. If my pickle juice remedy does not help than I am calling bullshit on this bat bite theory.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Covid wasn’t a discussion at the time, had never heard of it, so I just assumed it was a really nasty flu and acted accordingly. I slept about 18 hours a day for the first 3 or 4 days.
If I had heard of Covid I would have paid more attention to the effects.
It was Thanksgiving week, and I was canceling invites, telling Hubby to fend for himself, and such.
All I wanted was water and sleep!

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Dankity Dank❤

AA
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AA
2 years ago

“SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England
Technical briefing 18
9 July 2021
This briefing provides an update on previous briefings up to 25 June 2021.”

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/investigation-of-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-variant-of-concern-20201201

AA
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AA
2 years ago

‘The New York Times featured an article on Thursday that stated breakthrough infections are “relatively uncommon.”

Well, breakthrough infections are in fact

not uncommon.

According to the Dutch RIVM (CDC counterpart in the Netherlands),

9% of all positive cases tallied last week in the Netherlands were fully vaccinated individuals, and

14% of the positive cases were partially vaccinated individuals.

This week, Israel reported a rate of vaccine efficacy of between 88% and 91% against the Delta variant in preventing severe disease; a decline, albeit relatively modest, compared to the initial numbers reported four months ago. ‘

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joshuacohen/2021/07/22/among-fully-vaccinated-breakthrough-covid-19-infections-are-more-common-than-previously-thought-does-it-matter/?sh=43b345795aef

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Hmm…. 88%. If the vaccine still miminzes illness and deaths, then maybe infections aren’t going to be be lowered but the resulting misery minimized. At least for the vaccinated. That article seems to be a call for renewed restrictions. I hope not because the virus will be there, waiting for restrictions to relax.

One thought continues to nag. And that is maybe the current viruses are going to get worse. Then maybe getting infected now when death can be minimized by vaccination and getting a wide ranging immunity reinforced is the best chance we’re going to get. Of course, it could go the opposite and the virus mutates to a barely noticeable problem. It’s an unknown. But certainly vaccination is still the only option to the Russian roulette of infection.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

AA,

The NYT has a very long history of lies.
Ah, The NYT…..

Well, this is a doozy, unearthed by the “Historical Pics” Twitter feed on Saturday. It seems that, in 1924, the New York Times reported that the world could breathe a sigh of relief: Adolf Hitler was out of jail and he was no big deal anymore! In fact, the paper wrote, Hitler was set to “retire”:

If only Hitler had done what the Times said he would probably do, and gone off to be a chastened fascist vegetarian painter somewhere in the Austrian countryside.

Of course, he didn’t do that.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ny-times-hitler-wrong-1924_n_5062238

Did a 1922 Article Advise Not to Worry About Hitler’s Anti-Semitism?
An early New York Times report about Adolf Hitler woefully misjudged the virulence of his anti-semitism.

Claim
A 1922 New York Times article reported that Adolf Hitler “was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch masses of followers”.
Rating
True

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/1922-new-york-times-hitler/

See it is even confirmed by the mostly inaccurate but loved by the left snopes.

As AO says, so much misinformation and so little time.

Lulz
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Lulz
2 years ago

Wow! Over 200 comments! Does anyone even read the LostCoastOuthouse anymore?

I know I don’t!

Anywayz, I just wanted to say thank you for continuing to wear your mask after vaccinating. The rest of us don’t want you shedding all those spike proteins on us.

Remember kids, wash for 20 seconds and stop touching your face. 2 weeks to stop the spread!

namer
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namer
2 years ago
Reply to  Lulz

The Last Piss Off-Gas is the depressed, fastener-spiked, gas station alley puddle of Eureka-based control freaks who hope that if they restrict the comment section of their advertising vehicle to only allow their sycophant friends to remind them how smart they think are, then they can pretend to be the preeminent social influencers/gatekeepers who are regarded by clueless, but socially ambitious, tourists and several longtime locals who’ve capitulated to the only remaining Northern Humboldt Public Service Announcement carrier that isn’t affiliated with Kevin Hoover as the voice of a “community” that they are neither from, nor care about (beyond their insecure need to get attention from the other lames who’ve been knocking around for less time than they, in the place they’re presently stuck—and, so claim as their own.)

PS: If you don’t spray your groceries you’re a science denier.

PPS: Stay tuned for more rap dads bullshit.

Anon
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Anon
2 years ago
Reply to  namer

Wikipedia has definition of LOCOs comment section. See: “Echo chamber”, and gatherings that begin with “Circle”..for further info.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Lulz

There were more comments, but many of them were “sanitized” or completely removed by editorial staff…

Masks, are for silly people with very silly reasons why they don’t want to get vaccinated…

Remember, wash your hands after touching yourself… Thanks! And no, why would anyone want to read a third-rate news site like LCO?

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I just don’t see any point in arguing with the editor.

I see the comments as extemporaneous, and after a day, their importance is even less…

Apologies if offended. High respects…

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

🤔🧐We are impressed with your patience and understanding.

We are inspired by your humbleness.

We thank you.😁🖖

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Wow, VMG has made it three weeks without a comment being deleted, impressive. Should give’em a prize like a golden N95 mask, lol. Congrats VMG, I knew you could do it.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

There were some issues with comments yesterday. My big long explanation to 1911 totally vanished, as well as the reply to it. I even reloaded the page a few times to check. I wrote a reply that it had vanished. Then, later, when replying to something else, my post re-appeared. So I deleted the second reply. Not sure what was up with that, but some of these deleted post issues might be glitches.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

Yep, VMG and I had a dialogue going.

Involved India having 400k not 4m Covid19 deaths,etc.

Or vice versa.

The Matriarch of England was also mentioned.

Her Majesty must not have been amused. Would it be disrespectful to refer her simply as , “The Queen”?

It seems almost each and every VMG post has been deleted, along with every reply.

Or was it all of my posts deleted and his were just collateral damage.

Oh, that’s right,

Could have been the Esteemed Medical Examiner

Maybe it was the Federal Government Force?

It was also mentioned.

Then there was the breakthrough case study that was promised, in the unlikely event it was necessary, and something about an elevator stuck at the top.

🤔🧐I (or should I/we say), “We”guess the comment section is not where an armchair psychiatrist should be practicing diagnoses.

That will get “us” deleted.

The comment section is full of textbook material.

Enough to write one.

An entire chapter could be dedicated to a single commenter, (us).

There was even a Spock reference.

Maybe that’s what did it?

Fascinating.

🖖

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

My caching on the device I use is the issue when I do not see a comment of mine. Once I clear my cache my comments appear. Look within first before assuming. Also, if you go from one browser to another or open up another browser in mid comment it messes things up. FYI.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

I agree, and thanks, everyone, for paying close attention…

The comment section went wonky, and I have to say, I don’t really mind much…

I don’t clear my cache or delete my cookies often, because I don’t like resetting all my passwords…

I am gonna stop using google chrome, since it doesn’t work all that well with a 2020 Macbook Pro…

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

Maybe the internet went down?

And I’ve been thinking the same thing as lulz.

It would be cool if RHBB would do something cool like…. COMEDY!

That’s it!

AMATEUR COMEDY!

I’ll go first…

“What happened when the Internet went down?”

“No Comment!”

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  VMG

I read it because there are additional or different articles. But I never commented there and tried to avoid accidently seeing them before they were separated.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
2 years ago
Reply to  Lulz

I stopped paying attention to LoCo when they decided to not just prevent new comments, but to delete all old comments as well. A lot of people provided a lot of useful information in those comments, and deleting them en masse is rather an insult to the community.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

I read it because there are additional or different articles. But I never commented there and tried to avoid accidently seeing them before they were separated. How ever can people post so much in two places? This one alone wrecks my peace of mind enough.

lulz
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lulz
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

The Outhouse should just call themselves Cal Matters lite. Every other article is another regurgitated piece from them.

Redheaded Blackbelt should think of something hip to compete with their Monday morning segment with Humboldt’s “president of positivity.”

Interviewing local shops and art galleries is super cool. Imagine if a decent host were to run the segment.

VMG
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VMG
2 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

LoCoO is an insult to everyone’s intelligence, on it’s best day…

I quit reading it entirely, a year ago… And the comments were ridiculous, stupid and facile…

A third rate news site with very low standards.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago

There’s like over thirty comments missing.

Fay Wray
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Fay Wray
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

I hope we are not in another censoring sump. I rather like this site. And it is about local affairs. Refreshing.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

The ones I have missing were under AO’s comments about cars traffic and cops.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago

@ Kym

What happened to Kelley Lincoln?

And have you ever looked at how many names are created per week to distribute solely anti-vax sentiment on Covid posts?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I really wasn’t asking about that one obsolete commentor particularly.

It just seems like lots of new names each month backing up the names created the month before all in the hope of promoting unreasonable anti-vax rhetoric.

Nevermind though, thank you for responding .

I hope Kelley is well.

thatguyinarcata
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thatguyinarcata
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

You are obsessed with your idea that there is some mass conspiracy to spread “anti-vax sentiment” on this website.

Do you live in Southern Humboldt? Do you even live in Humboldt? We have one of the lowest childhoodvaccination rates in the country and a long and proud tradition of despising the government and ignoring their instructions. How are you surprised there is a vibrant community of folks either skeptical or opposed to these novel injections.

Ya gotta get out more, there’s a whole lot of viewpoints out there beyond your own.

Call me crazy
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Call me crazy
2 years ago

Slave mentality is a weak mentality.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Call me crazy

The person who recognizes and acts for their own good is not a slave. They are simply wiser than those who are self destructive just to oppose authorities.

AA
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AA
2 years ago

“Most COVID deaths in England now are in the vaccinated – here’s why that shouldn’t alarm you.

More vaccinated people are dying of COVID than unvaccinated people,

according to a recent report from Public Health England (PHE).

The report shows that 163 of the 257 people (63.4%) who died of the delta variant

within 28 days of a positive COVID test between February 1 and June 21,

had received at least one dose of the vaccine.

At first glance, this may seem alarming, but it is exactly as would be expected.“

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-covid-deaths-uk-vaccinated.html

AA
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AA
2 years ago

In a study from israel, the vaxxed were 6.7 times more likely to be reinfected,

than those that had natural immunity.

From an article from the Israel national news.com

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Maybe that is true. For the ones who survived and have recovered. The kicker is that a return to good health is not guaranteed. A breakthough infection so far has turned out to be much less dangerous than an unvaccinated infection.

AA
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AA
2 years ago

“Severe, Refractory Immune Thrombocytopenia Occurring After SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine.”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33854395/

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2 years ago
Auntie Ovine
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2 years ago
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It wasn’t defective. Just replaced by newer, more inclusive tests.

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2 years ago

CDC had to figure something out. Everyone knows the tests were wonky!

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/why-cdc-quietly-abandoning-pcr-test-covid

Auntie Ovine
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2 years ago
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No one but a few conspiracy theorists.

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2 years ago

Anybody who is OK with thinking should read this long piece from Slate. I wish it were a little more concise, but I think it states things very clearly. If you lose patience or just don’t have time to read all of it (it’s worthwhile for the nuances) the last couple of paragraphs sum up the main points. And if you don’t want to read anything except this blog because you are tied up continuing this argument, here are the main points:

1) Nothing is ever 100% risk-free, nor are there ever 100% guaranteed results.
2) To live any kind of life in this world, you have to be able to assess your risk because you will NEVER be completely safe.

And I would add:
3) Your right to freedom does not include doing harm to others in the name of “freedom.”
4) If you don’t like living in society where you have to practice #3 against your will, then stay away.

Misguidedyouth
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2 years ago
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Unconsciously passing a transmissible disease is not harm. It’s nature. Don’t you trust science?

Auntie Ovine
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2 years ago
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Not science to say that.

thatguyinarcata
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2 years ago
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Its absolutely science. Point to one instance where transmissible disease has been successfully stopped

HotCoffee
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2 years ago

MIT Says Anti-Vaxxers Aren’t So Stupid, After All

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The current establishment view and the conventional wisdom is that folks resisting the jab must be low-IQ dolts. But is that true?

In the midst of this desperately bigoted attempt to paint half of America with a broad brush of ignorance comes an MIT study about these inconveniently vaccine-hesitant citizens. One journalist recently asserted:
https://news.mit.edu/2021/when-more-covid-data-doesnt-equal-more-understanding-0304

“Proponents of the vaccine are unwilling or unable to understand the thinking of vaccine skeptics — or even admit that skeptics may be thinking at all. Their attempts to answer skepticism or understand it end up poisoned by condescension, and end up reinforcing it.”

The writer goes on to aver that, in contravention to the media and the administration’s “anti-vaxxer” smears, the MIT study concluded that the methods used by those who argue against the efficacy of masks and the COVID vaccines are reasoned and intelligent. This “public health skepticism” he asserts, is “highly informed, scientifically literate and sophisticated in the use of data.” The MIT study further concluded that despite labeling these Americans “anti-vaxxers” and “anti-maskers,” and accusing them of conspiracy theorizing, the truth is far more nuanced. The venerable institution asserts the overwhelming calculus among these free-thinking Americans is based on a sophisticated cost-benefit analysis.

So much for besmirching nearly half of The United States as “ignorant.”

MIT Study

https://news.mit.edu/2021/when-more-covid-data-doesnt-equal-more-understanding-0304

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The researchers found that antimask groups were creating and sharing data visualizations as much as, if not more than, other groups.

And those visualizations weren’t sloppy. “They are virtually indistinguishable from those shared by mainstream sources,” says Satyanarayan. “They are often just as polished as graphs you would expect to encounter in data journalism or public health dashboards.”

“It’s a very striking finding,” says Lee. “It shows that characterizing antimask groups as data-illiterate or not engaging with the data, is empirically false.”

Lee says this computational approach gave them a broad view of Covid-19 data visualizations. “What is really exciting about this quantitative work is that we’re doing this analysis at a huge scale. There’s no way I could have read half a million tweets.”

But the Twitter analysis had a shortcoming. “I think it misses a lot of the granularity of the conversations that people are having,” says Lee. “You can’t necessarily follow a single thread of conversation as it unfolds.” For that, the researchers turned to a more traditional anthropology research method — with an internet-age twist.

Lee’s team followed and analyzed conversations about data visualizations in antimask Facebook groups — a practice they dubbed “deep lurking,” an online version of the ethnographic technique called “deep hanging out.” Lee says “understanding a culture requires you to observe the day-to-day informal goings-on — not just the big formal events. Deep lurking is a way to transpose these traditional ethnography approaches to digital age.”

The qualitative findings from deep lurking appeared consistent with the quantitative Twitter findings. Antimaskers on Facebook weren’t eschewing data. Rather, they discussed how different kinds of data were collected and why. “Their arguments are really quite nuanced,” says Lee. “It’s often a question of metrics.” For example, antimask groups might argue that visualizations of infection numbers could be misleading, in part because of the wide range of uncertainty in infection rates, compared to measurements like the number of deaths. In response, members of the group would often create their own counter-visualizations, even instructing each other in data visualization techniques.

“I’ve been to livestreams where people screen share and look at the data portal from the state of Georgia,” says Lee. “Then they’ll talk about how to download the data and import it into Excel.”

Jones says the antimask groups’ “idea of science is not listening passively as experts at a place like MIT tell everyone else what to believe.” He adds that this kind of behavior marks a new turn for an old cultural current. “Antimaskers’ use of data literacy reflects deep-seated American values of self-reliance and anti-expertise that date back to the founding of the country, but their online activities push those values into new arenas of public life.”

He adds that “making sense of these complex dynamics would have been impossible” without Lee’s “visionary leadership in masterminding an interdisciplinary collaboration that spanned SHASS and CSAIL.”

The mixed methods research “advances our understanding of data visualizations in shaping public perception of science and politics,” says Jevin West, a data scientist at the University of Washington, who was not involved with the research. Data visualizations “carry a veneer of objectivity and scientific precision. But as this paper shows, data visualizations can be used effectively on opposite sides of an issue,” he says. “It underscores the complexity of the problem — that it is not enough to ‘just teach media literacy.’ It requires a more nuanced sociopolitical understanding of those creating and interpreting data graphics.”

Combining computational and anthropological insights led the researchers to a more nuanced understanding of data literacy. Lee says their study reveals that, compared to public health orthodoxy, “antimaskers see the pandemic differently, using data that is quite similar. I still think data analysis is important. But it’s certainly not the salve that I thought it was in terms of convincing people who believe that the scientific establishment is not trustworthy.” Lee says their findings point to “a larger rift in how we think about science and expertise in the U.S.” That same rift runs through issues like climate change and vaccination, where similar dynamics often play out in social media discussions.

https://news.mit.edu/2021/when-more-covid-data-doesnt-equal-more-understanding-0304

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2 years ago
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Did you actually read those links? It didn’t say they were smart. Just that they had become slicker in using charts and stats to push their agenda. How anti experts have become expert at deflecting data by creating their own visualizations. How non scientist do not see data in the same way scientists do and that educating them on science is not enough. That “data visualizations” can be used and misused.

You are being studied scientifically to determine why you are so persuaded by the unscientific and what can be done about it. You are being quantified, categorized and analyzed in order to learn how to get around you. That is no recommendation of intelligence.

Misguidedyouth
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2 years ago
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So you think you are smarter than anyone in the plenty that does not want to get a covid vaccine? What are your credentials? I’ll wait

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2 years ago
Reply to  Misguidedyouth

That is a reaction to your internal worries and nothing I said. But I do admit that at the start of the anti vaxxer postings, I did think better of them- that they might have real reasons for their stance. Because vaccines are not perfect and could be made better if politics and money did not interfere. At least IMHO.

Unfortunately it has become clear that absolutely no independent thinking is going into it. Some most preposterous allegations get posted by some favored anti vaxxer blogger and the same thing gets repeated by all the believers as if it was gospel. I have yet to see one anti vaxxer commenter analyse another anti vaxxer’s statements to say that even the smallest detail was questionable. Others on the other hand constantly quibble about details and register objections and offer countering ideas. The anti vaxxers have a litany that is almost invariable repeated verbatim. And endlessly. The only adaption in their posts is to latch onto the questions of a scientist, misinterpret it and run with the new misinterpretation. That is no sign of intelligence in anyone’s book. It just being a fanatic follower of minority religion.

HotCoffee
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2 years ago
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My post from MIT is verbatim, not running with anything, and after supposedly reading it you continue to prove how correct it is. Perhaps,” being a fanatic follower of minority religion” is your thought, because, it’s your problem, as well as your obsession with being smarter, which is starting to become borderline gaslighting.

I don’t think someone who ‘loathes’ a group of people is qualified to diagnose them.

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2 years ago
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Do you realize that this group at MIT is in communications and is studying anti vaxxer postings to learn how communicate effectively to overcome their incorrect but highly resistant to science beliefs? They are not studying them to learn how they know so much. The point is not that you are lying about the article.

And it took a year of batting against the brick wall of anti vaxxer belief to get to the point of deciding that caring about their feelings is not productive. The harm they do has become way too dangerous. It’s not quite at the TRB’s level to stop letting them say anything at all but I certainly have a lot more sympathy for the idea than I did.

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2 years ago
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I won’t say “I told you so”, because I’m just so elated that you know it is fair to say too.

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2 years ago
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We’ll never agree on what is dangerous enough to risk losing hearing different sides. I would have never thought that the “lasers starting forest fires” was anywhere near enough. It was not like she would be starting fires with lasers herself.

But constantly repeating utter nonsense in the service of making people afraid of getting vaccinated is extremely aggravating and debating only seems to make it worse. But not letting them go on and on with such blatant confusion would only make them even more convinced they are right. I think the MIT study on communications is at least a small light in the darkness. The goal should be to convince more of the general public that they are indeed dangerously mistaken rather than to either suppress them or argue with them.

HotCoffee
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2 years ago

LOL.Didn’t like that article, huh?

I didn’t see “slicker” mentioned. Nor “deflecting” actually it seems you turned the whole article around so as to do exactly what it said the jabbers do.
Funny, you seemed to have either missed or have no qualms about those points.
“You are being studied scientifically” Um, you’re being studied too.
Well, I posted much of what it says for everyone to see.

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2 years ago
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🤔🧐,☕, As always, Love your comments. Always stimulating, always scintillating.

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2 years ago
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I did “like” the article. But not because I think it treats antimaskers with respect. In fact it’s more disrepectful to examine anti maskers as if they were strange specimens under a microscope than I could ever be. It is interesting to see people who profess a scientific bent trying to understand those who don’t. Even the part that you quoted made it clear that they think those with such an agenda need more study scientifically. And they are using internet conversations to do it. As I said anti maskers are being analysed so the researchers can figure out why they are so disrepectful of scientific data.

And yes, I too am part of groups being analyzed as is everyone. But not in a group identity such as the “anti”s who are such a puzzle to scientists.

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2 years ago
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You claim no anti-vaxxer posts anything with criticism, yet I just did by your own account of the article.

The anti-maskers are being studied in order to create a more effective game plan for pushing their desired outcome.

Anti is no puzzle to the scientists, they are the ones who gave them the moniker… as a useful tool to demonize them.

Just goes to show how they market and advertise to sheeple and how ineffective it is on people who can reason and research on their own.

Seems much of the world isn’t buying the plan or the motives.

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2 years ago
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Wow, you think that anthropology involves examining people “as if they were strange specimens under a microscope “?

You’ve got a real 19th century imperialist bent to your love of “Science” auntie. That sort of dogged adherence to an ideology really harms your ability to engage with life fully. Do you even recognize how it has already stopped your ability to engage with conflicting ideas and instead you just lump everyone who disagrees with you about a particular topic into a silly stereotypical basket?

HotCoffee
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2 years ago

Thanks Guest, Back at you. I find your comments to be on point as well. 😀
It’s much of the work you’ve done on data that ispired me to post the article.

I guess you inspire MIT too….🤣

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2 years ago
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Thanks,☕, good pun, another alleged sign of intelligence. I appreciate that.

Data and information can be processed differently, I guess it’s more about how one thinks, opposed to what one thinks.

Like truth itself, it’s all about how it’s interpreted.

HotCoffee
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2 years ago
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Intelligence is a funny subject because there are so many kinds.

If your water heater breaks down, a plumber is a genius when it’s fixed, yet that same plumber looks like an idiot when his car breaks down and talks to the Auto mechanic.

The above is a light weight explanation, but applies in so many ways.
We all have pluses and minuses.

The way it’s used in the case of Covid annoys the heck out of me.
That being said I have a great appreciation for intelligence in all of its forms.

HotCoffee
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2 years ago
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Forgot to add….
Especially when I’m lacking and need to borrow someone else’s!