[UPDATE 12:58 p.m.] ‘Large Group’ Protesting Logging on Green Diamond Property Near Crannell
Early this morning, a number of protesters slipped onto Green Diamond property near Crannell. According to Samantha Karges, spokesperson for the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Department, “We received a call around 4:41 a.m. regarding a large group of protestors trespassing on Green Diamond property approximately 8 miles up CR 1000 from Crannell.”
Karges explained that the group was gone when deputies arrived on scene. However, later, it was discovered the group was on the property still. ‘
Karges told us about 10:16 a.m., “[W]e are back out on CR 1000 due to protestors trespassing on Green Diamond property. According to the last report, the protestors have run from law enforcement and are hiding in the woods. Deputies are checking the area.”
UPDATE 12:58 p.m.: Karges told us that no more protestors have been seen but a deputy is “staying on scene in case they decide to come back.”
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I’m confused.
If you’re protesting, isn’t getting caught and making a stink kind of the point?
Protesters out in the woods get beat by the Humboldt county sheriff’s office and private security by the lumber companies. That must be why they ran, nobody wants to get beaten out in the mountains…
then why do it ?
Is it really a protest if they all ran and hid?
I’m guessing a tree sit is in the works but…nothing official yet.
Perhaps just a big game of hide & go seek?
If it gets them to stop logging . . . . Whatever works. And now the added bonus of the Sheriff thinking the loggers are crying wolf. How many more time til the sheriff doesn’t show.
I certainly hope that doesn’t happen. If the sheriff stops coming, things might get dangerous for the disruptors. When folk’s livelihoods are attacked in criminal ways and authorities refuse to act, folks tend to solve their own problems.
To be clear, I am neither threatening nor condoning violence. I am simply pointing out that the absence of law enforcement would make violence more likely.
…absence of law enforcement would make violence more likely.
We would hope, right? (Edit: I mean, we would hope the law enforcement would quell calm the situation.) But lately…? It just takes one. Before anyone says, “until you need their help”, I know it’s just a few that make the spotlight. I’ve known , and still do, some great leos. Which is why I tell them thanks for getting shot at for little reward.
Don’t think I’ve ever noticed any “YOSCE for JSSR” protest at the Courthouse, but sometimes things do get a little blurry to me.
Always nice to have an excuse to honk.
The trees that I see going down the road to the mill aren’t big enough to sit in.
I don’t get the protest. Trees are a sustainable natural resource. They grow on fresh air, fresh water, clean dirt and sunshine. When somebody builds their house from lumber it provides carbon sequestration and a much needed home.
Removing some trees make room for growing more trees. Win, win, win.
because there’s no way that our need outpaces the rate of growth.
because there’s no destruction of habitat involved when logged “sustainably.”
because industry lobbyists surely couldn’t facilitate relaxed regulations.
because there’s no history of lumber companies replanting all one type of tree, resulting in rapid spread of disease.
because there’s not a bunch of clear cut spaces just out of sight of the highway.
like, i get where you’re coming from, but the reality isn’t so nice and sunny as the brochures printed up by the lumber lobby.
Funny how all the clear-cut areas from the 80s and 90s are now luscious forests and we have more trees now than we did a hundred and fifty years ago..
But I would certainly agree there are good ways of doing things and bad ways of doing things. Clear cutting and spraying with severely carcinogenic herbicide is not a good way of doing things. It Is no longer the 80s or 90s though logging operations have lots of regulations they have to abide by now. And I’d be willing to bet most of the people protesting the logging operation love themselves some avocados and almonds lol…
you’re seriously going to pull the lazy “you have problems with aspects of society and yet you live in society” argument? there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism, buddy.
you’re wrong. all the clear cut areas aren’t luscious forests now. having “more” young redwoods than old growth redwoods is like saying that a hundred $1 bills is better than twenty $50 bills.
you also left out the part where companies replant a single type of tree, which are then taken out en masse by disease and pest, which wouldn’t have happened had they planted a variety of species or maybe not logged those spaces at all.
someone is stuck in the eighties. there are few old growth on industrial timberlands having been logged already. those that remain are largely in protected watercourse areas. green diamond leaves a lot of hardwood on the slopes as part of their habitat conservation plan and sustainable harvest certification. wildlife considerations under forest practice rules and dfg rules also retain habitat trees.
Yeah & the rules for industrial logging are about the same as the rules for mega permitted grows…. They’re not helping the environment for shit.. it’s all in favor of corporate gain while putting on the facade that it’s “green” & environmentally kosher.
If you think the Forest Practices Act hasn’t helped forest lands recover from the devastated condition they were in 50 years ago, you are ignorant.
Sure it’s gotten better than the days of driving dozers right down the middle of a creek bed & pushing dirt across as a bridge. Or dumping diesel & oil wherever…that’s not saying much. Other than that, clear cutting is clear cutting. They can just do it at a way faster rate now while sitting in an air conditioned log harvester. They’ve been mowing shit that Barnum replanted less than 20 years ago. Laughable twigs I see trucking out. I’m all about them salvaging the burnt forest timber though. I’m all about doing it right. I selectively logged my own land, milled it & built my own house out of it. The redwood is only good for interior use.
Over the entire harvest cycle, selection harvesting can have more impact than clearcutting and planting. More entries, more ground disturbance, more soil compaction, more drainage disruption…
One thing I do like about clear cutting is the eradication of tanoak & replanting of redwood & fir…. But then they just clearcut it again in another 20 years or less…so fuck Greed Diamond.
I don’t doubt that you know what you’re talking about on this topic but I know selective logging can also be done low impact you just definitely have to eradicate a good percentage of tanoak too or they will end up dominating.
“there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism, buddy.”
Yeah sure, there’s only ethical consumption at the point of a gun under socialism. Hippie logic sucks.
somebody clearly didn’t take an intro to political science class in high school or college.
What about the lizards,spiders, frogs, ferns, California poppy, grass, beautiful clovers, all the nesting birds, the huckleberries, the bears, the skunks, and every other animal or vegetation that grows in the area. What about them ernie branscomb??? Do you really not care at all about the rest of the communities of things big and small that live in our mountains. Do you really think that it’s only the trees people are trying to protect, time to get your head out of your ass and pay attention to the rest of the world, you need to travel… go see some hard worlds that people have to live in then come back here and I bet you will have a different outlook on life, and who knows maybe you’ll actually start appreciating more than just the trees for their monetary value. Maybe you’ll start appreciating the trees for their intrinsic value in the homes for the many animals that they are.👎
Not sure if you meant your list as a descending order value judgement—but it’s peculiar that you itemized the skunk, and not the white people from suburban Southern California with loose, frayed dreadlocks, and dream catchers & kokopeli on their rear view mirrors.
No wood in your home? No fuel in that muddy black truck? Walk/bike when you travel (certainly hope it’s never by air)? No non-local food? Are you good for the environment?
he’s a nimby
All of those biota you mentioned thrive in disturbed areas.
There’s a way to do it right but none of these mega companies do it right..they do it GREEDY! Green diamond my ass… More like brown silt. They’ve completely devastated the hills I grew up in..feels like Iraq out there. Way worse than anything Barnum ever did. They mow toothpicks like grass with those log harvesters. Fuckers don’t even use chainsaws anymore! The redwood they are logging now is the absolute most worthless shit lumber you could ever get… Comparable to balsa wood. Sold at a high price to fools. Logging redwood should be outlawed, unless thinning sucker groups to promote growth of the healthier ones. Always leave one or two per group though. Fir is definitely necessary to log for lumber.. actually having structural integrity at any size. Tanoak should be eradicated… That is the fire hazard tree. Not sure what chems they’re using these days. That’s always concerning too. 245T?
Protesters of any kind are completely worthless dipshits though. They just make their cause look idiotic the way they go about things… Like throwing bags of poop & destroying property. BLM is another movement I despise.. with their racism & destruction of property. What do you think of BLM protests Ernie???
high demand for redwood fence boards, posts and 2x’s
2,4,5-T was banned decades ago. People squawk over tanoak eradication.
Ernie my guess is that activists discovered big trees marked for cut that may or may not be included legally in the THP.
Unfortunately cdf does not follow up on thps on the ground which is how a lot of large trees not approved for cut get cut anyways. Big companies like green diamond just pay the fines after the fact and move on. They have a great pr campaign but unfortunately have turned out to not be true to their word. There is a long history of this unfortunately.
This is induatrial logging, not responsible logging.
You may be surprised how many earth firsters of years ago went on to work in the fields of fire hazard reduction and restoration forestries which promote sustainable logging practices. They cut trees. A lot of activists get it, we cant be zero cut. Its how we do it that matters and what we cut species and age wise, as I know you know.
Most of the logging trucks coming through garberville seem to be coming from the august complex salvage logging, they have been running logs over alderpoint road to town for over a month now.
I havent seen many big ones there but on my last 2 trips to eureka i saw some big trees on trucks. Saw a few 3 log loads a few months ago.
Not sayin the activists are correct in this case but usually they check things out well and make sure there is something worth fighting for before launching an action. Lets hear what their reasoning is first.
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Your guess is wrong. Violations are taken seriously. A timber operator with too many violations can get their license pulled.
Responsible timber management requires commitment to the long game, including capital. That’s why the small woodlot owners and gyppo outfits got driven out after the Forest Practices Act while the more corporate operators kept humming along. The corporations could commit the capital for reforestation, stand management, and road maintenance while the smaller operations couldn’t.
The last round of timber protests on Rainbow Ridge was dominated by professional protesters from the Bay Area and SoCal, not exactly stewards of the land. Oh, and the usual crew of aging NIMBYs who don’t want any harvesting around the Mattole drainage.
Trespassing is a crime. It doesn’t matter why you are there. That’s why they call it criminal trespassing. Those who involve themselves in such activities should be arrested and removed. If there is resistance, force is definitely justified. If they are locking themselves together, too bad. Criminals should never have rights of any kind while in commission of a crime on private property.
so if something is “legal”, then it’s fine? and if resisting unethical but legal things involves illegal action, it’s the same as any other crime?
neato. you must be a philosophy or criminal justice major with that kind of nuanced take.
i’m sure we can guess where you would have landed on the debate about segregation, and those rude trespassers sitting at the counters where they weren’t welcome.
There aren’t currently any legal or social repercussions for making entirely unsubstantiated insinuations (or blatant accusations) of racism.
But, it’s a dick move.
Also a shitty way to engage in ethical debate.
The resources on my property are my resources. The resources on Green Diamond property are theirs. The resources on public lands such as BLM property, US Forest Service, State and National Parks, etc. are indeed public resources. If you are protesting on public lands that is fine. However, you have no right to put so much as your little toe on private property. If you do, the property owners have the right to make you leave. This includes asking/telling you to leave, asking law enforcement to remove you, or if necessary, removing you forcefully without law enforcement.
It isn’t rocket science. If it’s private property, just stay away. If you don’t like what happens on private property, call and complain, but it is a crime to be there uninvited. Somehow, private property rights are overlooked by our judicial system regularly.
“It isn’t rocket science. If it’s private property, just stay away”
Amen. Lock these assholes up. Unfortunately they don’t believe in private property while they talk about ethics outta the other side of their mouths. I hate communist hippie scum.
“Criminals should never have rights of any kind while in commission of a crime on private property”. No rights? We should just shoot them? You’re living in the wrong country, mac. Here in the US we have rule of law; you are not a criminal until the court says so. You might like it better in North Korea.
By definition, criminals are acting outside of their rights. And, yes, property owners have a right to use proportionate force protecting their property from criminals. Trespassing in a junkyard is a good way to meet some lively dogs. Tough luck if they get a piece of you.
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So if I think you shouldn’t be growing on your legal pot grow it’s ok for me and a group of others to camp out on your property, block your access to your crop, refuse to let you water your plants and in every way possible ruin your business? I’m sure you would have a totally different outlook on whether it was criminal trespassing if it was your money, your livelihood, your family, your personal property being threatened. Oh, but my friends and I have rights while on your property, don’t we. You have to just leave us alone. But, if that were true, a lot less violence would be taking place in the industry.
In that case, of course you would still have some rights. While you were being arrested for trespassing, you would have Miranda rights, you should expect to be handled humanely, etc. You said no rights-that implies vigilantism. That’s not how we do it here.
In history there have been many instances of “making a livelihood” that were unethical. Slave trading, for instance. I do realize the loggers have to make a living. If their bosses are making bad decisions, they are caught in the middle.
I would venture to say that there are issues you yourself would be willing to risk arrest to stand up for-at least I hope so. That’s the risk these protesters are taking, and whether you agree with them or not, saying they shouldn’t have ANY rights sounds like a call for violence.
Except the “protesters” are not taking that risk. They are running and hiding.
When protesters are arrested they are read their Miranda rights. Most of the time they are cited and released. What’s your complaint? Every time some trespassing protester gets arrested they complain that the act of arresting them is a violation of their “rights.” They resist arrest then complain that they were somehow abused in the scuffle they started. Textbook narcissism.
“Trespassing is a crime. It doesn’t matter why you are there.”
Alf, so, you agree that this child’s rescuer should be charged with trespassing rather than sit and watch the child slowly die? Because, technically, that is exactly what the person did: trespass.
“Deputies arrived on scene and contacted the reporting party, who had gained access to the vehicle and was attending to the infant. ”
https://kymkemp.com/2021/07/19/mother-arrested-after-leaving-infant-in-car-while-she-went-to-a-bar/
Ridiculous comparison. Do you really need the difference explained to you?
A place of business that provides a parking lot for its patrons invites people to park there. There is no trespassing unless asked to leave and refusal occurs. If a crime takes place and another patron reports and/or assists with that crime there is once again no trespassing as the nature of the business is serving customers. I hope this is explained in simple enough terms, but it is doubtful due to the ridiculousness of the comparison.
Yes, the comparison is extreme. My point was the choice of words. It was black or white, no grey.
To me it is definitely black and white. My property, my rules. Follow them or leave. That’s my right as a property owner. Anything else is trespassers violating my rights.
As far as Green Diamond property or any other private property that is fenced off or gated off it’s the property owners right to allow employees only access. It’s no different from a military property allowing only military personnel or approved visitors. Trust me, trespassing on military property is a very bad idea. I took a shortcut across military property as a young idiot college student in rural Texas due to the heavy brush next to the river and was informed this would be a warning, but…. There are no excuses for criminal trespass, especially on fenced or gated property.
They “slipped in,” another word for trespassing on private property. Will these dumbass jerks ever get a real job and be productive – NOPE! [edit]!
You can still fall a tree with someone in it. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Time we quit playing their games.
this guy wants to murder people. hey, guy that wants to murder people, where do you work? if you’re so proud of your position, identify yourself!
chopsolutely, I agree with Meee above 100%. These idiots need to be removed by the police and fined for trespassing on private property. They just like to cause trouble and get all the media attention they can. If they want a place to sit send them to the now rat filled Angelo’s Pizza Parlor!
It’s always great when a person who chooses to remain anonymous demands someone else identify themselves.
Are all aspects of your life completely pure? Would you like someone to come to your source of livelihood and deliberately disrupt things?
“If you’re so proud of your position,” why don’t you dox yourself?
Then, all your reasonable neighbors could come down and discuss ethics, law, civil disobedience, civil rights, civilization, truth, hypocrisy and everything else.
It’d be a good opportunity to figure everything out and make sure we do the right thing—and no one would try to break your windows, set fires, terrorize your family, or do some other sneaky self-righteous groupthink ambush bullshit.
chopsolutely, just out of curiosity what would you do if I broke into your house and sat on your couch and protested whatever the f*** I want to protest?
you are making the mistake of confusing personal property with private property. a home is not comparable to a forest, guy.
now here’s the real question: what would YOU do if some entirely unlikely scenario that i created to make an inelegant point were to somehow occur?
There are both public and private forests. The one in question here is apparently privately owned. It seems you are the one failing to see that.
It would be nice if all arcata and bayside under used “farm land” would return to the redwoods or natives. Not enough cows to keep it from being a reservation of trees.
I’m usually smarter than to jump into the middle this kind of total avoidance of the real problem. The Demonstrators seem to be enjoying their little game with NO predictive outcome.
The little parties do nothing but piss off the loggers and cops, while politicians hide from fixing anything because it might ruin their popularity. The demonstrators don’t really want anything to be “fixed”, because it would ruin their little party and the funding that they get from overly emotional wealthy people that think that they are saving the world with some of their money.
The way to solve the haphazard logging and environmental destruction is by lobbying your political leaders to adopt rules for logging that have teeth in them.
Clear-cutting will increase the yield of a redwood forest by 250%, with that kind of an incentive to profit it will be hard to rein in the rogue timber corporations.
Force logging to be done in a reasonable fashion. Selective cutting only, stay out of the creeks, replant, and stop using hazardous chemicals. But, those kind of rules don’t come about by acting foolishly and endangering loggers, cops, and demonstrators.
Most of the demonstrators are there for their own engrandizement and their 15 minutes of “Hey look at me”.
Go Ernie! I largely agree.
Ernie, I, like, I Like Stars, largely agree also. But, if the CDF, or whoever watches over, doesn’t watch over, then who will keep the logging companies honest and selective cutting only, staying out of the creeks, replanting, and not using hazardous chemicals?
Staying out of creeks and replanting are already required. The bottom line with these bozos is that they don’t want any harvesting to occur. The rest is pretext.
When the tree sit is over, they’ll be paid to protest transgender bathrooms at an Antifa meetup.
I guess I went to the wrong protests, ’cause, I never got paid.
I’m waiting for some scientist to gene splice the big tree gene from a old growth redwood tree to a good pot plant strain, and get pot plants as big as a palm tree and get buds as big as my long board surfboard.
Yea, I remember those days, philosophizing over ideas that float so far up in the atmosphere they are only attainable when high as a kite. Then I’d come back to Earth and realize that that would be a gmo strain.