Several Anti LGBTQ Acts in Humboldt County Have Sparked Two Colorful Responses–One Yesterday in Arcata and One Today in Ferndale
About a dozen people came out to fight hate on the corner of H and 18th Streets in Arcata on Friday after posts on Nextdoor and social media told of a Pride Flag from the garden on the same corner which had been found burned. [All photos by Mark McKenna]
Then, after a Pride Flag was raised at the corner of 18th and H Street in Arcata, someone attempted to burn and cut the flag.
And more recently, to the consternation of many online, a church in Ferndale, St. Mark’s Lutheran Church, posted a sign offering healing for those who have been “hurt by LGBTQ culture”.
Yesterday, a small gathering at the site of the Pride Flag burning in Arcata and a march beginning at noon today in Ferndale in front of St. Mark’s Lutheran Church were organized to promote solidarity and push back against acts of hate. According to the woman who planted the Pride Flag at 18th and H in Arcata after, “The purpose [of the gathering] is solidarity after the rainbow flag was taken down and destroyed by cutting and burning it. Ironically that flag was placed there in solidarity for [the] act of hate up in the Kneeland area.”
Below are photos from yesterday’s gathering.
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- Vicki Fikes has been maintaining the small garden on the corner of 18th and H Streets in Arcata near the North Country Clinic. Earlier in the week Fikes found a Pride Flag that had been displayed in the garden had been burned. After she put a post on social media, the news spread through the community.
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- Mike Teigen, of Arcata, saw the posts about the burned Pride Flag on Nextdoor and said he went to yesterday’s gathering at H and 18th Streets because “I have been a gay resident of this town for a long time.”
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- Aaron Donaldson, his wife Kate heard about it the demonstration on Instagram and came out with their son Callum because they said it was outrageous that this happened and felt they needed show support.
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- Skyler Jacobs, of Arcata, said her partner Draken saw posts on social media about the flag being burned and they decided to come out and show support.
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- One participant carefully created a brightly colored sign.
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- A driver holds up a peace sign in support as he passes the demonstration.
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- Michael Winandy takes the burned flag from Jerryl Lynn Rubin during the demonstration. Winandy saw a post on the Queer Residents Of Humboldt Facebook page and came to show support for the community.
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- Michael Winandy passes the burned flag to another demonstrator.
Later, we hope to cover today’s march in Ferndale.
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Let’s just say what has to be said.
SEXUAL Preferences Should Not Be The measure of a human being.
Some of the most artistic, creative people I know are gay, and beautiful. There’s a few straight ones too.
Let the deeds of human being be what you see in a person’s value, gay or straight or …..
There are some sick people in this world who prey upon the weak and helpless.
They need to be dealt with accordingly, regardless of preference.
in that case why do they self-identify by their sexual proclivities as if any of us want to hear about it?
Grads’ question was the one that was rattling around in my head also. Every walk of life has it’s wannabe “martyrs” though.
I really hope “HSU grad” is not someone who actually graduated from HSU.
I’m 64 years old. When I was 12, gay people at a Greenwich Village bar finally stood up to the police violence and abuse they had previously tolerated, and the modern LGBTQ civil rights movement took flight. When I was 21, a California politician tried to ban LGBT people from teaching in schools. Around the same time, Harvey Milk, an elected gay Supervisor in San Francisco was assassinated, and a bunch of bigots formed a hate group that they called, apparently without irony, the Moral Majority.
Shortly thereafter, the United States government was led by a man who completely ignored a pandemic — the more things change…
It wasn’t until I was over 50 years old that same-sex marriage became legal; as someone who is married, I’m grateful to everyone who fought for so long to make this most basic civil right possible, but I’m well aware that there are still many people in this country who resent being faced with the reality that gay people exist, that we are present in all walks of life, and that we are entitled to exactly the same rights as everyone else.
Gay people self-identify by our sexual proclivities (among many other ways, of course) because for too long, others have wanted to pretend we don’t exist, and bullied everyone they thought might be gay. It still happens today, as anyone who has attended or graduated from a high school should know. And there are still countries whose leaders are so afraid of gay people that they pretend no gay people exist in their countries.
But, most likely, you already know all this. So what you’re really doing is trying to force silence on people you are prejudiced against, and then resenting the fact that they intend to be full citizens, just like you. That’s a problem, but it is your problem; no one else’s.
We will have arrived when we no longer dwell on things like race, sex, sexual preference, religion, etc.
That day will be never
Perhaps. In the meantime, to the best of my ability, I will “be the change I wish to see in the world”.
VERILY!
She had the flag on her personal property-you were not required to “hear about it”. Do you want others to be able to burn things on your property if they don’t agree with them?
What if I decided to burn someone else’s Trump flag?
Then you really wouldn’t understand free speech…
So apparently one can acquire an HSU degree having flunked Humanities.
That’s not what this is about. It’s about historic and current discrimination against lgbq people. Just like with teaching CRT. Wise up.
was a permit issued for that protest. ill be making a trip to city hall to check on Monday. I am all for protesting but all laws must be followed to avoid the psycho’s in cars we lad last summer.
The constitution provides the only required permission. Stay home colt.
I’m sure you refer to the murderer of peaceful demonstrators in Charlottesville, and closer to home, the wannabe murderer who drove through Black Lives Matters demonstrators in Eureka..
And yet you don’t seem to be concerned about what is being illegally done to private property in the name of LGBT hate.
They’ll probably laugh you out of city hall. Permits aren’t required if public access to public thoroughfares isn’t affected. And even then, minor blockages are tolerated if they are fleeting and there is good faith effort to maintain public access.
Colt, this is Ferndale, not fucking Detroit. A whole 12 people had their say. Go take them to the Palace or the Pizza Place or the Meat Market and get them a sandwich. I think you’ll live.
I’m always a little suspect of situations like the cross planting that occur dead of night, no witnesses, no video surveillance, no other vandalism. I’m not saying those people are trying to play victim… but I’m not saying they’re not. Recall that black guy from ‘Empire’ who set up a fake hate crime against himself… there’s a lot of reasons someone might find it useful to be a victim… domestic strife, trouble at work, landlord issues, need for attention…
Beyond that, honestly, I’m worn out with protests and the accompanying bullshit. It’s just tiring. You aren’t “stopping hate ” by waving signs. You’re giving the perpetrators (if there be perpetrators) what they want. The way to beat those idiots is by quietly replacing your burnt flag and not even acknowledging the deed.
Ah, yes, Leviticus. A man lying with another man (no mention of women) is indeed a cardinal sin of the same magnitude as extramarital sex, seeing your dad naked, wearing clothes of two different fibers, eating shellfish or shaving your beard wrong.
I hope for their sake that the old testament scholors responsible for this action are living carefully.
And then came Jesus with a New Testament, let those without sin cast the first stone.
Love your neighbor as yourself, and so many other worthy sayings to build your life on.
Jesus specifically said (according to the bible) that none of the old laws should be abandoned.
He also said Love Thy Neighbor, and he pretty much conveyed that humans aren’t in charge of defining, judging, or punishing sin. Because some people think that hoarding wealth, allowing people to starve, or bombing them are sins. You might not want to face that judgment.
Yes he is reported to have said “love thy neighbor”. Although this is a latter addition to the book of John which many say should not be considered cannon. This also possibly explains some of the many contradictory quotes attributed to jesus.
Let’s be honest, the book is poorly constructed fiction, full of contradiction, and this allows good people to ignore the bad parts of the book. But those who choose not to ignore the bad parts are no less christian.
And although Jesus taught that it is up to him/his other form(daddy) to punish sins, he also admonished those who were forgiven to sin no more. This would mean to stop being homosexual.
I’m not sure what the two incomplete sentences you end with mean. I have not horded wealth, allowed anyone to starve or bombed anyone. Yes it is true that I do not want to face judgment based on any religion, as I wholly reject all religions (that I know of) as harmful fictions.
The whole “BIBLE” is the “Best Selling” Work of FICTION< ever written!!!
Just shows how hard up people were for reading material.
Still are for that matter!!!
Well a quill pen to papyrus on a 400 page manuscript is a bit hard to write twice even 500 years ago. It wasn’t until moveable lead type and the printing press that people could really say what they want. And sell their idea. How many “holy books” of any doctrine, religion or dogma still exist a thousand years later? Each of their coherents will say “it is willed why it still exists”.
Fiction. Now proven to have been written in the 2nd Century.
And it’s sucks! Just about any other work of fiction is more entertaining AND offers a better view of morality.
Well…..
Love thy comments.
Really, I enjoyed reading your take on the fictions of religion.
Oh, thank you. I’ve always enjoyed your comments on this site as well.
It is really hypocritical of Christians who use Leviticus to condemn homosexuality while they are enjoying their pork sliders and cracked crab.
Yes it is but the entire religion is absurd to its very core.
Heehee!
“Jesus does not say no part of the law will ever pass away; he says no part of it shall pass away until it is fulfilled. He says he came to do this very thing, to fulfill it. So, with his coming, the law has been fulfilled and has passed away. We now live under the law of Christ, not beneath the law of Moses.” https://www.whig.com/archive/article/christs-relationship-to-old-testament-law-part-one/article_3c5c9dbb-bf06-5f17-8fe5-32a97841f2c4.html#:~:text=Jesus%20does%20not%20say%20no,beneath%20the%20law%20of%20Moses.
Or else all the Christians would never sit where a menstruating woman sat. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+15%3A19-21&version=KJV
I’ve read the Bible multiple times and the number of rules there that most Christians would be horrified to obey is likely over 100.
Here’s just one more for fun: Killing your fat, alcoholic son is not only okay but government leaders should help you kill him. Deuteronomy 21:18-21
But then, if we’re still following the New Testament rules, Christians would support slavery for as Paul said, “Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; not with eye-service, as men-pleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; with good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.”
Does fulfill mean to do away with?
” Fulfill means to “carry out.” I don’t think carrying something out and abolishing it can be the same definition. ”
….”if you child is struggling with her homework and you tell her, “I will be home to help you in a few minutes. Hang in there till I get there,” you don’t mean for her to give up once you get there. Just as by saying “till I get there” you did not mean for her to stop once you got there, so Jesus did not mean for us to stop keeping the law once He “fulfilled” it. By fulfilling the law Jesus showed us how to keep the law fully. To fill means to make full, and Jesus showed us how to keep the fullness of the law by fulfilling the law .Some have the idea that Jesus emptied the law by filling it. Yet logic shows us to fulfill is to make full and not to make empty…. “
If you’re okay with laws that say you can kill your son, and men shouldn’t sit where a menstruating women sits (cause really the book is apparently only talking to men there because a menstruating woman is obviously unable to follow that law). Then sure, read it that way, but make sure you are actually reading it. I have multiple times. And there’s a lot of rules in there that modern Christians do not obey.
But I would argue that if I said to Mary who owed me $10 bucks and then washed my windows, “You fulfilled your promise” then Mary wouldn’t owe me $10 bucks anymore.
Are you trying to use “You fulfilled your promise” to mean “you paid your debt”? Because that would be bizarre. How is the debt “fulfilled” without payment? It could be abolished or excused but not fulfilled.
Mute point since that word was not part of the “original” documents (or any equivalent word). But you should consider that you have a very strong bias to ignore fact in the pursuit of apologetics.
It,s a MOOT point.
“If you’re okay with laws that say you can kill your son, and men shouldn’t sit where a menstruating women sits . . . Then sure, read it that way”
Or if you are not ok with that, and not looking to make apologetics, read it that way and don’t follow it, because it’s nonsense.
Exactly Kym. Like the ones, repeated over and over in the Bible, about not only welcoming the foreigner seeking refuge at your border, but giving unto them a share of your own inheritance.
There is interpretation nested in that particular translation. Fullfil was added later by christians with a motive to do so. All ways read young literal translation, then look for scholars with an understanding of the culture to give interpretation.
To begin with the quote is;
“for, verily I say to you, till that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law, till that all may come to pass.”
Laws are not fulfilled, prophesy are. The latter version comported better with the loosey goosey interpretations that became popular with the spread of the religion by Paul of Tarsus.
And there are all of the other times that jesus supposedly said the old laws were to be followed.
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)
“for, verily I say to you, till that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law, till that all may come to pass.” Mathew 5:18
“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)
Even when he encouraged forgiveness of the adulterer, he told he to “sin no more”, clearly indicating that violating the prohibition of adultery (and by inference all the other old testament laws) was still a sin.
“Or else all the Christians would never sit where a menstruating woman sat. ”
Not true, as christians only follow the laws provided by the bible that feel right to them, and make up excuses to not follow the ones that feel wrong.
Those horrific rules you point out are alleged to have been handed down by the same deity. Yes if not for the mental gymnastic and extra layers of bullshit christians would be following all the laws of their barbaric religion.
During the life of jesus, he and his followers followed the laws in the torrah.This continued until well after his death.
http://www.fogwhistle.ca/acts/evidence.html
Of course it is all just harmful fiction. That is why we should reject new (and increasingly wacky, although kinder) interpretation and cast it all aside.
“We now live under the law of Christ, (not beneath the law of Moses.) ”
Hardly!
Thanks ” Well….”
Then why are you using a computer on the sabbath?
There be one commandment that Jesus brought with the “new covenant”, and that is to love thy neighbor as you love yourself.
I cannae wait until reckoning is faced and y’all get to hear: “You had one job to do, and you managed to fuck that up too.”
Might be the same reason Stargate is a favorite movie of mine. And the whole TV series that followed.
Jesus was gay.
Not what I’ve read of Mary Magdalene & her dealings with him!!!
Mary was trans.
It really depends on which gospel you’re reading. Mark’s Jesus is a loving, personal man who also paradoxically preaches adherence to old testament law. John’s Jesus is a magical flying demigod who is willing to make concessions to his general Mediterranean audiance, and is almost anti-semitic in his rejection of Jewish tradition. The Christians mentioned in Acts, written before the canonical Gospels, seem to behave more like communist hippie cultists than traditional Jews(acts 2:44.) The real reason both most traditional Jews and Christians abandoned OT law in the first and second century was the destruction of the temple.
Just FYI
Love your neighbor as yourself is also from Leviticus (19:.18,)
Whoever made the cross didn’t follow with Jesus on the skills of carpentry. The LBGTQ had almost as much monetary damage done to them as the republican headquarters in eureka, let the healing begin
Interesting point. Some people are ready for drama at the drop of a hat, others aren’t.
“I’m always a little suspect of situations like the cross planting that occur dead of night, no witnesses, no video surveillance, no other vandalism”
Big time! People pretty much don’t give a shit about your sexuality OR your fucking race! And that’s despite being endlessly berated, forced to use made up words (pronouns), and incessantly beating us over the head with your sexuality. I bet there wasn’t any gay conservatives out there. As usual it comes down to liberalism, the mental disorder. They make up problems, such as white supremacy, in order to advance their fascist agenda. So yes, I see everything through a political lens.
Perhaps the cross incident was real, perhaps not. Sadly, given the amount of lies and propaganda coming from the left, everything they say is suspect. Congratulations douchebags on bitterly dividing the country, perhaps irreparably, in your lame effort to appear virtuous; it is going to blow up in your face. I pray that the seeds of violence you have sown do not sprout on your doorstep.
http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/
Your ignorance is showing.
You know who divides this country? People who bully LGBTQ and those who pretend it doesn’t happen. And those who pretend white supremacy isn’t real when white supremacists legit are all over the news with their Nazi tattoos and white supeemacist flags and shirts but you say it’s made up? Seriously do you live in a cave?
Those who divide this country are the ones making laws prohibiting transgender from being in military. Laws that Target LGBTQ and call them out. The law in FL they tried to pass to allow schools to examine children’s genitalia before they’re allowed to play sports to determine gender! Laws banning gay marriage. People who ostracize people for being gay. Churches who condemn being gay on their announcement boards in broad daylight. People who doubt victims of hate crimes acting like they brought trauma to their lives to seek attention.
I am sick of people in this country with their outrage that people of color or LGBTQ just want the same rights as everyone else. Just want to have the same life experiences and opportunities of everyone else. To just be left to live their lives and find their joy without the government telling them no, and the majority picking on them for existing. The audacity!! Jesus Christ.
And of course these hate crimes occur in the dead of night with no witnesses. Because those who are committing them are cowardly losers and won’t back their bigotry in broad daylight. [edit]
For one you believe what’s on the boob tube! They are the ones dividing the county for their own agenda. Don’t fall for it. Both sides are pushing agenda!
“Both sides are pushing agenda”
It is the left who are pushing identity, color of skin, as the number one priority, the very definition of racism. It is the left who make the claim that white people are inherently racist and that people SHOULD be judged based on the color of skin and want to teach that to children. It is the left rioting in the streets, destroying innocent people’s businesses and advocating fascism while claiming to be against it. It is the left that is suppressing, even factual information, that they disagree with (FASCISM). It is the left that want to TAKE your private property through schemes such as wealth taxes (FASCISM). It is the left that called for defunding police (FASCISM) that has led to a massive rise in rape, murder and other violent crimes. It is the left that looks the other way while the third world pours over the border and then demands that I pay for it. They are uninterested if terrorists or violent criminals are among them, and they certainly are. The left that once condemned “the man” now have paid contributors, admitted communist scum John Brennon comes to mind, on their payroll. The “evil corporations” that the left supposedly hates, largely funds their cause. We are in the midst of a revolution in this country. The left would happily send you to reeducation camps and have said as much. Bury your head in the sand if you want to but these are the facts.
I’m listening when you want to tell me the agenda the other side is pushing.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
The same usernames question rapes also. Insist it’s racist to call out their racism (the weakest shit I’ve ever heard) dehumanize people like George Floyd by bringing up their past as if they deserved to die and get all revved up on far far far radical right propaganda and come here all pissed off. If it weren’t so offensive it’d be funny.
David Duke was shot down and rightly so.
The Anti Christian hate needs to be shot down as well.
Live and let Live! Both sides could stop this crap if they only wanted to.
People bullying LGBTQ people usually fear what they see in the mirror everyday and the feelings they keep suppressed. Laughable that the good people of Ferndale are bullying those with alternative sexual preferences. If cows, sheep and dogs could only talk…
Right on
There are indeed white supremacists but they and their ideas are not supreme.
If someone wants to “identify” as a bullfrog, that’s their business. They just shouldn’t expect or force anyone to agree with them.
Fraudulent hate crimes occur with non-trivial frequency. Those who perpetrate them devalue the victims of real hate crimes.
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I also am sick and tired of hearing about these peoples sexuality .who cares. I don’t need a special flag, a special parade or anything else. Just go about your business.
I’m reminded of the Simpsons cartoon where there’s a gay pride parade.
Marchers: We’re here! We’re queer! Get used to it!
Lisa: We ARE used to it! You do this every year!
My main impression of Pride Month is that it’s a crashing bore. The most predatory corporations put rainbow flags on their websites so isn’t that nice!
Somewhat like MLM companies based in Utah say every one of them can now have a home based LGBTQ business? Riiiight….Who’s behind all those?
When you think about it, the Mormon Church resembles a spiritual MLM scheme where status is gained by bringing in suckers (and their tithes) through missionary work. The suckers are promised that their path to status in the afterworld, and many wives, will be enhanced proportionally to their tithe.
The meme of the B-52 with the rainbow colors on its tail dropping bombs isn’t far from reality.
@PikeMortar
Good. Question the “obvious”. Sometimes it’s exactly what it looks like and sometimes not. It’s good to question everything and NEVER think you know the truth without having ALL the facts first. From everyone involved. Could also be a personal beef someone has with the “victim” and who better to “pin” it on then those ….Christians!
Fuck make believe “Gods” people have created in their heads. If you believe there is some magic god pullin all the strings in the universe and will send you to heaven or “the firey coal-drums of hell” then you are CRAZY! GO SEEK HELP!
People have the right to have intercourse with any other consenting adult regardless of their sex. If you dont want to have same sex experiences that is your right as well. Everybody has their own likes and turn ons and dislikes and turn offs. Thats what makes you uniquely you! Your not a copy cat cut and paste. You have your own sexual preferences of cultures partners and positions. Enjoy it all. Life is short. Sex is not dirty, it is part of human nature and actually very fun. If your own parents didnt get down and freaky you would not even exist! Churches are screwing peooles minds up about nudity and sex! Sex is GREAT! Perhaps Humboldt and Mendocino people are just a little bit too uptight and too modest. Get out and have a fucking good time folks. Who cares about the judgement of others or some make believe “god” in the sky? I sure dont
I for one am proud to live in a community where people are allowed to express themselves. I am a white hetro sexual and others who are of preferences of their own add to the richness that is Humboldt.
Thank you!
isn’t hating those that you say hate others kind of hypocritical? and no, the subsequent edit doesn’t clear up why all of Ferndale should be hated for a sign outside a church. the sign, by the way, does not promote hate against anyone. it offers help to those who perceive they have been hurt by others.
I agree but good luck with that. You will find very few people are moved by logic.
Nobody was promoting hate at this little gathering. I, for one, feel only sadness that people are so rageful at other people. It feels like fear to me. Fear of something being different. I do wonder where those who are against LGBTQ+ think LGBTQ+ people come from. We spend our lives growing and coming to acceptance about who we are-gay, straight, trans, tall, short, big, skinny, black, white, etc. There are things about us as human beings that we can change and others that we can’t no matter how much we might want to. Who in there right mind would want to put themselves in the way of hatred, discrimination, and danger? But since I am here, my tasks in life are to celebrate what God has made, honor the love that I am gifted with, and help others to be loving and kind to themselves. God/Jesus and strong leaders for good give love and goodness. I am pretty sure that you want to be accepted and encouraged to be yourself. Pretty sure that it would seem outrageous to have someone threaten you because you are being yourself and your children being themselves. I support you being yourself but not being hateful. Hate is a choice. Love is a choice. There is a huge difference between love and hate. Love is encouraging and positive. Love envelopes. Hate destroys.
Better church @ Weaverville:
Churches should probably be the focus of anti-hate…
Christians of Northern California do tend to be far to the right, highly provincial, and terribly planted in the past. Anti-Vaxers and Anti-Gays/Lesbians are an awful look for Christians, who supposedly believe in love…
Christ entreated us to love each other, and, sexy-stuff aside, love is always the best way to go!
When two people love and respect each other, we should celebrate, no matter the gender.
Humboldt is a refuge for Gays/Lesbians and Counterculturists of every ilk. Humboldt is also the home of some raggedy and reactionary ignorance…
This attack is ugly, but every exhibition of ignorance and prejudice should be met with reason and a measure of patient tolerance.
🤔I don’t have a problem with that, for a second.
The reason? Just because.😁
The counter culture is being choked out.. most old coutnerculturists have completely sold out to govt propaganda. just go shop at the co op and check out all the double masked vaccinated old “hippies”
The “counter culturists” are as varied in their beliefs and actions as any other group of people. So what if some “hippies” are double masked. What a weird conclusion to arrive at.
Certainly mainstream aren’t ya yea sure. Just be sure you don’t agree with me doesn’t make either one of us wrong.
I’m “mainstream”? That makes me disagree with you? You’ve decided that the counter culture is dead because you see some hippies wearing double masks in your little world? You’ve decided that counter culture types should fight against mask wearing? Why?
Remember when we were like 5 or 6 on the playground and there was no gender or race or anything but you and me laughing and having as much fun as we could before it was time to go and we’d probably not see each other again? Think about it sometime. Thoughts of an aging gender variant and godless scud runner.
Who on earth could serve a diety that tells you to kill his son to prove his love and loyalty and then provides a sacrificial lamb to say, “just kidding? I was testing you.” Religion is just another way to control people and make sense of the chaos. Just let people be themselves and let them be responsible for their own spiritual journey. The Bible says, “love is patient and kind….” The book is full of contradictions.
Religion always has come along with rules , rules usually targeted at taking away the joy’s of life . Rules that
target our souls . Rules that take away from our individuality . Rules that go against human nature . Rules that have
killed culture’s across the world . Rules that have killed languages . Rules that have burned books . Rules that
have burned down sanctuary’s and buried reprieve . Religion has taken away from the worlds so much more that it
has ever provided . Religion is a destructive force created by man . It was created by the minority as a tool
to manipulate the majority . A way to stop revolt , and tranquilize the soul .Religion looks good on paper but the
realities are so much more dark .
Religion is what people add to or take away from the bible, The bible isn’t about religions and doesn’t promote religion.
The rules in the Old Testament need to be viewed in the context of the society it was written to, not by todays society.
The New Testament was for a more advanced society that needed to advance further.
Context is relevant.
It’s possible to respect the bible and love people irregardless of their sexuality.
No, that is in no way the definition of religion. The Bible is a religious text, it DOES promote a religion.
Yes, the old testament is a product of a much more barbaric time and reflects the morality of people in a particular time and place. This is also true of the new testament which is also very much morally abhorrent. Yes they were relatively more advanced morally but the new testament still condones slavery and females as property. Jesus also clearly says (according to the same text that informs christians of the existence and nature of their deity) that none of the old laws should be set aside.
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)
“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19)
We are due for a new new testament in order to being the primitive bronze-age death cult again up to date with our morality.
Which religion does it promote? There are hundreds of religions.
Actually the bible says we are all slaves,…. aren’t we, to money?
At the time it was written, women were property to insure their safety from the brute force of men because men tended to care more about their property than a replaceable woman and many men had more than one wife. The times of society matter.
There are societies today where women are still property especially in the Middle East.
In non Christian societies child sacrifice to other gods was common.
“Which religion does it promote?”
This is obviously not a genuine question as it is clear that it promotes Christianity.
There are thousands of religions, not hundreds, but you are not making a point here.
Times of society should not matter to the deity described in the bible, that deity is timeless.
Yes there are societies where women are still treated as property, due to the most dangerous extant religion, islam.
Yes human sacrifice was common in religions around the world, your point?
Religion is a cloaking device for a set of rules. Some are decent and key to survival (Jews- don’t eat pork in the desert when you haven’t invented refrigeration yet….Roman Catholics- don’t have lots of random sex when there are severe venereal diseases with no cure and no decent condoms and you are the port city of the known world). Most outlive their usefulness. Most get captured by those who use them to consolidate their power. But despite those assholes simple basic stuff still rings true (ex. The Golden Rule). Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed all shocked at where we ended up with their words… I’d say we need to kill these entrenched religions by this point but so many people need something to be told- so what have ya got? A joint and a crystal and some yoga?!
A joint and a crystal and some yoga?! LOL 😀
Religions do not cloak rule sets, they “justify” rule sets without having to make logical arguments for them.
Yes we could benefit from the death of these religions. I do not agree that people need a magic feather of morality in order to be good.
They all have their obvious rules for say….if we didn’t have electricity or running water. And those for civil living when things go all to hell. There are basic tenets to all these religions much like the US Bill of rights, which admittedly, is originally based in religious contexts, even if the writers of them were or were not particularly religious. But the rules stay the same: At least try to behave. Things work better that way.
I think most people don’t care wether your gay or straight or In love with an elephant. They do however tend to react when it’s shoved in thier face over and over. Straight people don’t have a flag that they fly or bumper stickers advertising straight relationships or parades advocating man and woman only relationships. I personally think all lives matter and don’t care who you sleep with, I don’t however care for BLM signs or rainbow flags shoved in my face. Be who you are treat people well and keep your opinions to yourself!
I feel the same way about people who have ANY flag waving (or tee shirt or other clothes), that includes the overkill of the US flag, or the Confederate flag or…take your pick. That Fish thing people put on their cars to show they are Christians. Even that little sticker some people put on their car vehicles that show how many adults, kids, pets are in their families. Oh yeah, and I do not care if your kid is an honor student at their school.
I just HATE then forcing their views on me.
See how that works?
Don’t force it on people 💓👍
How is flying a flag in your own yard hurting you or being forced in your face?
Thank you.
Everyone should be able to fly whatever they want on their own property.
Except the Confederate flag?
Fly a trump flag in your yard and tell me how it works out for ya.
👍👍 HMM
i have never ever had a person of the LGBT+ community approach me and tell me that i need to be like them. never in my life have i felt threatened or pressured to change myself by a member of the community. i have however, been told by many Christian people, “if you found Jesus your soul could be saved, the Bible says that…. , God doesn’t approve of homosexuality and therefore i don’t approve of you, you need to stop talking like that and start listening to God,” the list goes on. i understand if the flag was say, one in support of Nazis, then that is displaying a hate of others and is unacceptable. however, just like an American flag is hung to display that we are proud Americans, we want to hang a flag that displays we are proud members of the community. we need pride because there are still people that make others feel that dying is better than being bisexual. that dying is better than being gay. that dying is better than being a lesbian. that dying is better than questioning who they are. this is why we need pride. people were never rolled up and burned for being straight. straight people never had to fight for their rights to be straight. straight people never have to watch their lives get debated in comments simply because they are attracted to someone of the opposite gender. pride is simply here to make people feel valid, and if people are feeling safe to come out because of it, then it’s doing it’s job. those people are all members of the community before they come out. the only difference is now they feel safer to tell others, and they get the courage despite knowing there will be hate, because at least they aren’t alone. it’s not a trend that’s spreading, it’s not forced, and those people were there and they were feeling those things before they felt comfortable enough or the need to let others know. also, dear straight people, we don’t hate you. it’s not your fault that you never had to fight for the right to be straight, or that it means anything bad about you. i think people start to feel attacked a little bit and if you are straight because straight people don’t need pride, but it doesn’t mean that one has to feel guilty about being straight. just please be respectful and you will be respected. i’m not sorry for the giant rant, but i hope you know i’m only trying to help you understand, and i am not angrily attacking you. and also, i understand that not all Christians are like this at all, these are just quotes that have been said.
I have worked with and loved many people who identify as LGBTQ. I am a straight Christian. As a Christian it is not my job to “save” anyone. If you’re in need of saving that’s Jesus job not mine and I’m sure he doesn’t need my help.
Again I will say, whom I like or love is not about sexuality, it’s about character as far as I’m concerned.
Christians are told to love every one even their enemies…. a tall order I must say.
Nice post,
attempting to respectfully educate
I think that is what this is all about. The preacher did not keep his opinions to himself and it affected the flock.
“My Border Collie is Smarter than your Honor Student” is one of my favorite bumper stickers.
Ha! Love that.
I think I’ve put one bumpersticker on all of my rigs. And that was to hide the weird little round ding on the back bumper. Something innocuous. “Myers Flat is where it’s at” which I had bought years before at the store in Myers Flat. Something like that. It’s been decades ago. I’ve got one sitting on my desk here that simply says “Shiny”, which possibly only nerds would recognize.
Okay, I’ll fess up, too. I had an Oregon State University Beaver sticker in my window.
I’m sure the Duck fans just hated having that shoved in their faces. (not really, the Beavers are kind of famous for terrible football, but we’re winners in baseball and marine science!!!, the last of which UO is not 🙂 )
I’ve considered having a bumper sticker that says, “You Are Beginning To Damage My Calm.”
Oh Kym….*hugs fellow nerd*
I bought that on a T-shirt for my husband.
*Hugs fellow nerd back!*
I bought my son and a friend one…but I wish I had also bought one for myself…
Mines says says “Harambe committed suicide just like Epstein did.” Now i guess I need to squeeze Mcafee in there also.
OH do not tempt me with the meme making you sinner.
Funny everyone talking about the right to express yourself, except when they don’t agree with you.
People have a right to think the LGBQT lifestyle is morally wrong and they have a right to express that belief without being bullied or ridiculed because of their belief. I love how some of the folks here call others hypocrites or low IQ due to their belief. Just STFU already!
NEITHER side has a right to violence ie BLM riots, burning a cross etc or harassment because of their belief. Just because you chose to be offended by others opinion and play victim does not mean people do not have a right to their opinion.
As others have expressed I am tired of this shit. Tired of everyone trying to force their opinion on me and waving it in my face. Yea you have your opinion now get on with your life and quit trying to push it on me and playing victim if I don’t agree with you.
If you are offended because I disagree with you tough shit, I don’t care. Perhaps you need to look at yourself and ask why you are so offended by people that disagree with you that it destroys your day and makes you mad. That is your problem not everyone else’s problem and I am tied of people thinking the world needs to walk on eggshells around their feelings. That is called toxic personality. Now grow up and get on with your life.
“. . . and they have a right to express that belief without being bullied or ridiculed because of their belief.”
Incorrect. That is not a right granted to us as US citizens.
Think about what you just said
Ok, thought about it.
Have you read the bill of rights? We do not have the right to be free of bullying (depending on how bullying is defined, obviously we have to right to not be assaulted) or ridicule.
Did you have a point to make?
That’s a right I give myself. I don’t need your or any governments “permissions” what to think. Free will and all that. Who controls your thinking by the way?
PLEASE feel free to follow your own advice!!!
It’s just bait, to get your comments deleted.
Contains no real commentary or purpose to enlighten.
When i see rainbow flags all i see is hate.
I see hate for white people, hate for christians, hate for men, hate for straight people, hate for familys and hate for religion. Infact when i see pride flags i see ignorance and supremacy, i see these people trying to takeover my culture and replace it with there own.
These people hate america, hate white culture and they are a threat to all of us.
That is why i dont support hate groups like the LGBTQ agenda.
These are hateful and destructive people.
infact im not even allowed to have an opinion, im not allowed to post my thoughts and this message will be deleted by Kym because people like me are not allowed to exist or speak our mind anymore.
I am struggling with this one. Rule #10 says, “I don’t have to host hate speech on my website. I will warn you if I feel you are breaking this rule and will ban you if necessary. I encourage a wide diversity of opinions but, eventually, I may need to ask you to go elsewhere to express yourself.”
But then again…the comment is so ridiculous…why not?
🤔Ah, yes, Ferndale. It’s the best.
You gotta love it!
Especially if you like “Dairy Air”.
Nothing but the finest there, and plenty of it.
Kind of takes your breath away.😷😁
What is ridiculous about it? It doesn’t agree with you.? I think that was the point and you played right into it.
Right?
What kind of zingers fly?
….still trying to sort out the “rules. “
Declaring that peaceful protesters, who are asking to be allowed to just love whatever person they want, hate America and are trying to destroy white culture (especially when the vast majority of the protesters are blindingly white) seems fairly clear hate speech. (I had no idea white culture –which I am firmly entrenched in—fears gay people so much…)The type of exaggeration seems pure ugly hate to me, but if that isn’t clear to you, then maybe you can explain why.
“Rule #10 says, “I don’t have to host hate speech on my website.”
You should amend it to say: I don’t have to host wrongthink on my website.
If the poster had said: When i see the Gadson flag all i see is hate.
And then said: I see hate for minorities, LBGQT, muslims etc.
you wouldn’t have even considered warning or banning the poster. CAN you admit that?
Your hypocrisy is on display.
I don’t know what the Gadson flag is so I probably would have ignored it. But let’s say they had said that the KKK flag made them see hate for minorities. I wouldn’t have had a debate with myself about deleting it. I would have left it up easily. Because the KKK does as a whole act in way detrimental to certain minorities. The LGBTQ community as a whole does not attack what I see as white culture. They ask for rights. They are not asking to take away yours.
The only hate a rainbow flag could possibly represent is hate of authoritarians who want to control and punish others. If you are feeling hate directed towards you upon seeing it, you might ask yourself why.
” authoritarians who want to control and punish others.”
You mean like demanding they bake you a cake and then trying to put you out of business for not doing so, TWICE? Or demanding that you use made up language?
C’mon Grappy…
I think you might be existing in an alternative universe.
It sounds like projection to me. Look again.
Pride is love. Love and inclusion for all.
She deletes mine all the time but not as bad as the lost coast drugpost
You know what I find incredibly interesting is how many times it’s been proven that many parts of the Bible were mistranslated especially things of this nature and yet people still read it like it’s an actual fact-filled book
Why not just go with The Golden Rule? Keep it sweet & simple. The root cause of all suffering is having preferences for things to be other than they are. As Paul McCartney said, “Let it Be.”
Do unto others as they would do unto you.
Mind your own business.
Love thy neighbor.
Let it’s be.
Many more I could put here, but words to live by, for sure.
Now, if we can just rein in out of control government so they treat us thusly…
I think I must have missed the last post when someone was beat up or killed in Arcata or Ferndale for being LGBTQ.
Actually I haven’t heard of it being a big problem in Humboldt or Mendocino County.
it’s a huge problem. people don’t know, coming from a teen who has spoken to teens in other schools, kids want to kill themselves every day they go to school. they listen to their peers debate on their lives and ridicule them when often they are still closeted. it’s absolutely awful to listen, and look at, and read people debating on whether or not the pain we endure is justifiable or not. it hurts. we’d rather die than love who we love because of the people around us. these comments cause it. talk causes it. you don’t have to be murdering people for there to be an issue. the kids are suicidal. not all, but they are. we need more awareness and education. we really really do.
I’m really sorry teens are going through so much.
Please try to understand that meanness and ridicule has been common to teens through the ages.
Many years ago when I was a teen I had similar feelings over ridicule for having freckles.
Other teens got it for being fat or having a big nose,etc. Try not to go by your feelings, they will change many times in your life and some people actually grow up to be better humans than they were as teens but for some reason teen dissing seems to be part of the process and any excuse to do it will be used.
People can and do change.
All lives are precious.
Kids are mean, but they grow up. We all had to live through the gauntlet of teenage years and even before that. It’s a good thing kids are mean though, because there are much more evil and cruel things waiting for us in the world once you become an adult. You have to learn how to deal with the kid world in order to be able to cope in the adult one. Toughen up, take some jiu jitsu and kick boxing [edit] that will be all the education kids need.
I remember a kid in middle school, got picked on all the time for being eccentric, he took matters into his own hands, took some martial arts, and sent the bullies packin. Those are valuable life lessons, he learned to stand on his own two feet and the pricks learned that easy prey may not be so easy. I’m sure they held onto those lessons into their adult life far longer than anything they learned in civics.
one day
Do you think that way about Muslims? They never seem to come up in these bias opinions.
Considering their positions on Gays why is that?
You know how many people I’ve asked for the definition for LGBTQ? And yet not a one has given me a straight answer.
Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer or questioning
I always thought it meant people that you very well may know that just want to be loved, accepted and free to live as others, while doing no harm.
Kym, I learn something from you almost every day!
I like your definition, too.
Drum role please! It’s a joke… A straight answer, get it?
Snort! I totally missed it.
🤔I got it.
It’s a pretty good one.😁.
What I want to know is,
why does “LGBTQ” not have an “S”?
Sounds exclusive.
Do they have something against straight people?
👍
Lol!!!
“Because I was raised in Ferndale, and brought up by Pappy Longbeard, everyone else has to act the way he wanted me to”
“If cows, sheep and dogs could only talk…”
And so a minor “Nothing” event gets media coverage and all of this attention. Hmmmmm… for those of us who think it’s all hype, stop responding!
You know what they say about homophobics…
They are in the closet.
And want to keep everyone else there because it scares them.
Misery loves company.
Throw a Nation/Statewide LGBTQ Rodeo in Ferndale. Bring the masses…
Like thousands of LGBTQ people equivalent to Reggae On The River! Lets show the people of Ferndale that their disagreement against liberty, and the constitution, is not even an option that they can exercise anymore.
Or ever again
🇺🇸📜🇺🇸
Best idea yet !!!!
Then get the permits from the County Fair and such and make it happen. It hasn’t so far because no one from that group has tried.
1st Corinthians 13
The first two are clearly unacceptable and need to met with the full fury of the law. A That said, a church excercising its constitutionally protected beliefs is hardly in the same class and shouldnt be lumped together, even if I disagree with their beliefs.
Just because someone is within the law, doesn’t mean you can’t also exercise your free speech and express your competing view.
Just make sure your competing view is not to the right of Bernie Sanders, otherwise you will be put in Facebook jail, have your twitter account deleted, get demonetized on Youtube, and increasingly, get edited or threatened on RHBB.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/fascism-meaning-and-history
Oct 15, 2020 · Fascism refers to a way of organizing society with an emphasis of autocratic government, dictatorial leadership, and the suppression of opposition.
derogatory
extremely authoritarian, intolerant, or oppressive ideas or behavior.
“an outright ban is just fascism”
very intolerant or domineering views or practices in a particular area.
“this is yet another example of health fascism in action”
The invitation to learn how to run your own website is still open.
[edit: no slurs]
Casual, you can’t claim rainbows as you don’t have the ability to create them in the skies. Competing symbolism at it’s best.
If they used the unicorn as a symbol you would want that back, too. You are afraid because you are not willing to try to understand people who do not match the images you cling to in your little world. The images that were handed down from cultural ignorance and intolerance.
Using the word “homo” clearly identifies you as a bigot. I’m sure we can at least agree on that.
“Every knee shall bend to the rainbow flag.” Forcing ones will upon those who refuse it will only result in violence.
“Every knee shall bend to the rainbow flag,” said the invisible purple leprechaun that only talks to me when I go off my meds.
The same religion that told some of you Ferndalians that it was wrong to love someone of the same sex, also told you you would be forgiven for marrying kin
smh
When a few more sharia muslims infiltrate our govt. they will put an end to LGBT. America is it’s own worst enemy. Also ironic is that most sex offenders are holy men. Good god what an embarrassing sideshow our country has become. Two Lutheran ministers fostering this crap in a town like Ferndale. Who would have thought. Maybe it’s a lover’s quarrel.
Hey couldnt we all just show love to all..Jesus showed love for all..if you think it’s a sin well there are tons of sins in this world..as simple as the lie someone told or not being sober minded or not relaxing on the sabbath day and on and on..are you as a christian just as vocal and argumentative about all the other sins or just this particular so called sin? You will never know when someone is having a tough life and then the very focal argumentative and down right rude and showing no love people could be the last straw for them..what right do u have to picket and be extremely rude to those in the LGBTQ community? How dare you!!!!
Ahhh, I wish we could all get along and live in a perfect world! 😜 don’t persecute me for my wish please! I truly DO wish everyone could be happy and just be at peace with one another…but only in a perfect world I daydream about….. *sigh*
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Here is Gilbert Baker the flag’s creator. His giant flags would always bring smiles and cheers.
Sadly, somebody vandalized the little peace garden in Arcata by Northcountry Clinic. They cut down the tree.