Health Officials Consider Adding Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated Data and Real Time Hospitalizations to Humboldt County COVID Dashboard

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Although Humboldt County’s coronavirus stats have improved since last week with cases on the decline locally, variants of the virus have become a new worry for County officials.  Humboldt County’s Health Officer has said that the disease is still circulating at a concerning level, noting that COVID-19 continues to put locals in the hospital.  

According to the CA State COVID-19 hospitalization dashboard, ICU capacity is not stressed, but there are eight patients hospitalized in Humboldt County with COVID-19 as of June 8th.  This ICU capacity information is no longer provided directly via Humboldt’s COVID-19 dashboard, but may soon be reinstated.

According to the CA State COVID-19 hospitalization dashboard, ICU capacity is not stressed, but there are eight patients hospitalized in Humboldt County with COVID-19 as of June 8th. This ICU capacity information is no longer provided directly via Humboldt’s COVID-19 dashboard, but may soon be reinstated.

While Humboldt County Public Health officials continue to urge residents to get the protection of a vaccination, a sizable portion – still upwards of 50% of the community – have not gotten the jab.  Humboldt County’s Public Health Officer Dr. Ian Hoffman has said several times that unvaccinated people are the only ones being hospitalized with COVID-19 locally,

According to County Public Health Officer Dr. Ian Hoffman at this week’s Virtual Press Conference on June 9th, “None of our local ones” (referring to breakthrough cases) “have been hospitalized or died.”  As the doctor pointed out, this is good news in comparison to other areas in the state which have counted vaccinated individuals as some of those hospitalized.   Last week, Dr. Hoffman noted that the county had tallied about 40 cases of COVID-19 in vaccinated people locally, none of whom required hospital care.  

On Wednesday June 9, the Redheaded Blackbelt asked public health officials at the COVID-19 Virtual Press Conference if there was any plan to add more hospitalization data to the dashboard and learned that the topic has been taken into consideration.  Humboldt County Public Health Director Michele Stephens and Public Health Officer Dr. Hoffman both confirmed that the public’s interest in real-time data on hospitalizations, and particularly of vaccinated people being hospitalized, is being addressed.

With the hospitalization numbers no longer updated daily, local data presented to the public has been limited to weekly statistical updates on the dashboard.  While this gives an idea of general trends, a daily update would allow community members to know in real time how many locals were hospitalized in the previous 24 hours, and potentially if they were vaccinated or not. 

Public Health Director Michele Stephens acknowledged the request being brought up at the County Board of Supervisors meeting earlier in the week, saying, “with Supervisor Wilson‘s request to have that- I don’t think we anticipated the connection between how many people are vaccinated and the reporting that we’re doing on breakthrough cases.”  

Mike Wilson, 3rd District Supervisor asks about hospitalization data at the June 8th County Board of Supervisors meeting.

Mike Wilson, 3rd District Supervisor asks about hospitalization data at the June 8th County Board of Supervisors meeting.

Director Stephens explained that the health department is looking into ways to present more data, more effectively. She said,

And so we were having conversations internally around – in addition to showing the cumulative totals every week- updating the dashboard every week for cumulative totals for hospitalizations- that we could start doing daily reporting in the daily case count news release so that we could show how many hospitalizations are happening from COVID again, because of the curiosity and the conversations that we’re having around people that were vaccinated becoming hospitalized, versus people who are unvaccinated becoming hospitalized, and the difference there and how it really drives the point home of that vaccination works and that vaccination is going to protect you far more than being unvaccinated or acquiring COVID-19 and having natural immunity.”

In Napa County, health officials noted this week that one person who was fully vaccinated with the Moderna jab was hospitalized and then died after contracting a variant of concern.  This is the first recorded death of a vaccinated individual in that county.  When asked about this incident, Dr. Hoffman reiterated that only 0.03% of fully vaccinated people even get a breakthrough case, and that while a vaccination does not guarantee perfect health, it does substantially diminish the chances of contracting the virus.  

Giving a big boost to local lab efforts to track variants of the virus, Hoffman also announced that the County Health Department would be developing the ability to do genetic sequencing of some COVID-19 samples.  This means Humboldt can soon detect locally which strains of the virus are circulating, and potentially learn more about them, since a big concern of the Public Health Department is monitoring the variants of concern that have been found circulating in the area. 

Dr. Hoffman explained that identifying various strains of the virus would be helpful in understanding how it may interfere with society.  “Definitely the P1 is circulating widely in our community,” he said. “These variants of concern and variants of interest could have the ability to change the way the virus acts.  It might change the way that it interacts with medications that we use, it might be more transmissible, more highly contagious.  Some of them, we are monitoring for potential that it could escape through the vaccine response more easily.”     

Immunization card with name and birth date redacted.  (Photo by Ryan Hutson)

Immunization card with name and birth date redacted. [Photo by Ryan Hutson]

When asked about the county’s tracking of these breakthrough cases, he indicated that the county actually does technically take note of those cases, but these numbers are not reported to the public.  According to Dr. Hoffman, these cases are tracked because they are important for data collection purposes, but are not significant enough to need to report out to the public.  

Dr. Hoffman said, “I think with time, I’m sure we will see something like that here. It’s going to happen everywhere, just like the flu happens everywhere every year.” 

Hoffman went on to explain that people are still suffering from the virus locally, calling attention to the proportionately high number of illnesses. “The numbers are overwhelmingly in support of vaccination as a tool and a method to avoid hospitalization and death.” 

He continued, “If you look at our 4300 cases, you know 190+ have been hospitalized and we’re at 46 today, have died. Those numbers are really staggering for that small number of cases.  You know, imagine if we had as many cases as we had vaccinated people, that number would be overwhelming.”

Echoing the concerns of his constituents who want to know more about these breakthrough cases, 3rd District Supervisor and Vice-Chair Mike Wilson inquired about the county’s hospitalization data during this week’s Board of Supervisors meeting.  Wilson asked if the County Health Department would consider providing a more accurate reflection of current stats to the public.  Specifically, Wilson requested that the local hospitalizations be shown on the COVID-19 dashboard as a real time, current tally, as opposed to the way it is structured now, showing data which is cumulative, and is only updated weekly.  

Supervisor Wilson explained that members of the public have indicated a desire for more information, and for more timely data about local hospitalizations of COVID-positive cases to be made available.  Both Dr. Hoffman and Public Health Director Michele Stephens acknowledged the concern Wilson discussed regarding the general public’s misconceptions pertaining to COVID-19 post-vaccination “breakthrough” cases and the ongoing hospitalization of unvaccinated individuals.  

Wilson said in the meeting, “I think it would be helpful that we have, in a current timeframe, how many people are being hospitalized. Because being hospitalized as we all know it’s terrible. No one likes it, anyone who has been hospitalized does not want to do it again, and anybody who’s dealt with people, family and friends who have been hospitalized, they do not want that to happen to them again. And I think it’s that we’re not relating to, that is still happening.” 

 Humboldt’s COVID-19 dashboard shows a running total of hospitalized community members by age group, updated once per week.

 Humboldt’s COVID-19 dashboard shows a running total of hospitalized community members by age group, updated once per week.

Emphasizing that additional information regarding current, real-time hospitalizations of non-vaccinated individuals is being asked for by members of his constituency, he stated, “Now, because we’re in a phase where it is preventable – people are dying or going to the hospital either as a failure of us as a government institution not to deliver the vaccine to people, or, is a failure of individuals to receive the vaccines.”  

Last December, as local COVID-19 cases began to increase following the Thanksgiving holiday, hospitalization data, including rates of local ICU capacity were added to the local dashboard as a public information barometer gaging the local hospital’s capacity to cope with the COVID-19 winter surge.   With the numbers posted to the dashboard regularly, and updated to reflect current conditions of the local healthcare system, it was immediately apparent to curious constituents how stressed the local hospital capacity was, and how many people were being cared for in ICU.  As soon as the surge subsided, and the local hospital system no longer appeared in jeopardy of being overwhelmed, the hospitalization rates and ICU capacity data was removed from the local COVID-19 Dashboard.  

 Humboldt’s vaccination rate at about 48% among the eligible population of 12 and up is slightly less than the statewide percentage.

Humboldt’s vaccination rate at about 48% among the eligible population of 12 and up is slightly less than the statewide percentage.  

As the dashboard is currently configured, a bit of math is required on the part of anyone who would like to discern how many people are hospitalized on any given day in the county.  An earlier version of the dashboard was sparsely outfitted in comparison to other county dashboards, but was greatly expanded and improved late in 2020 to include demographic data, as well as zip code data.  Advocates for public access to information like Supervisor Mike Wilson anticipate seeing more information presented in coming weeks which would enlighten the community about hospitalizations post-vaccination.   

Confirming that the desire for more stats has been considered by local officials, Dr. Hoffman said, “We are going to look internally at the case rates of the unvaccinated population as we have a smaller pool of people who are unvaccinated.  But we’re still having fairly high case rates and almost all of it is in the unvaccinated.” 

Dr. Hoffman was hopeful that additional data could be released to the public either through the daily case count announcements or via the COVID-19 dashboard.  He explained, “I do think that once we can get that case count per hundred thousand for the vaccinated population versus the unvaccinated population, that could be a helpful tool that we might be able to update every once in a while to give people a sense of what’s going on out there in the community.” 

 

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Dot
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Dot
2 years ago

I take it you feel that since vaccination cards are already being counterfeited it’s ok to post that image?

4Trinity
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4Trinity
2 years ago
Reply to  Dot

Without counterfeiting Dot, we can’t then move on to the ultimate goal to begin with.

Digital Ids!

Problem=reaction= solution. An old game.

Check out ID2020.

“Quantum-dot tattoos hold vaccination record.”

https://news.rice.edu/2019/12/18/quantum-dot-tattoos-hold-vaccination-record/

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago

The cat is definitely out of the bag, Dot. I’ve attached a screenshot of just some of the cards on the net.

Government sites are even posting them. https://www.slocounty.ca.gov/Departments/Health-Agency/Public-Health/Department-News/COVID-19-Updates/COVID-19-Vaccine-Updates/How-to-Protect-Your-COVID-19-Vaccination-Record-Ca.aspx (I like the suggestion on this site that folks take a picture of their card and leave it in a safe place at home.)

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

If green cards can so often be created fraudulently with all their built in security devices, vaccination cards are a slam dunk. It means it is not a useful tool for any official purpose and nothing should be predicated on it. It’s an attempt at making unenforceable rules that it can’t possible work.

Anon
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Anon
2 years ago

Liars.

Per nurses in the field, public health tracks NO data from hospitals hospice or clinics regarding vaccinated status of Covid pos patients and doctor Hoffman himself was quoted to say as much.

What a joke!

I guess mumbo-jumbo, double-speak and endless back-peddling and goal-post shifting must resonate with some people. I’m rolling my eyes so far back in my head I do believe I sprained them! 🙄

4Trinity
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4Trinity
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon

👍

cu2morrow
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cu2morrow
2 years ago

some point in the future those playing Russian roulette will get one of these variants. Protect your family and friends, get vaccinated.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
2 years ago
Reply to  cu2morrow

🤣

W
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W
2 years ago

Couldn’t find Humboldt here is Shasta county. Can you ask the Dr the death rate for the flu yearly from 2007-2016.
The death rate for the flu in 2007 was 52 for Shasta

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago
Reply to  W

This last year with SARS-Cov2, Shasta Co. has had 230 deaths from Covid.

Butte Co. is at 194 souls.

W
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W
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Do those numbers include the number deaths with COVID or just from COVID?
This needs to be asked since alameda county just had to decrease the number of deaths by 25%.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
2 years ago
Reply to  W

And if the faulty PCR test was used…..then what are the real #’s?

So incredibly transparent.

Local Family
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Local Family
2 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

normal flu deaths in a year

Fortunian
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Fortunian
2 years ago

Our medical records are private. Posting vexed and unvaxed is against the privacy act.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
2 years ago
Reply to  Fortunian

Not if it’s anonymous.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Fortunian

HIPPIA does not prevent public health from doing it. It is a law limiting medical providers, insurance companies and their auxiliaries only. What’s going around the internet is misinformation as usual.

W
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W
2 years ago
Reply to  Fortunian

You do realize that medical records are now being shared with the California State Lottery

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
2 years ago

Just got over a bad cold , even masking and distancing didn’t stop me getting a regular cold. Maybe it was covid , we’ll never know.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

If you are not vaccinated, even if you are, an antibody test say something about that.

izzy
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izzy
2 years ago

https://www.globalresearch.ca/vaccine-casualties-cdc-hiding-real-numbers/5747392

Effective May 14, 2021, the CDC announced a change to their criteria in reporting breakthrough cases. According to a statement on the CDC’s website, the agency said to help “maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance” it will stop recording COVID breakthrough infections unless they result in hospitalization or death (whereas unvaccinated individuals who test positive for COVID-19 still count as a “case” even if they are asymptomatic).

Additionally, in April of this year, the CDC issued new guidance to laboratories recommending a reduction of the PCR test’s Ct (cycle threshold) value to 28 cycles (from 40 cycles), but only for fully vaccinated individuals being tested for COVID.

Both changes will result in lower overall numbers of reports of “breakthrough cases” in the U.S.

The change in Ct value, for instance, will make the tests wildly less sensitive for vaccinated people, while keeping the tests overly sensitive for unvaccinated people. According to the European Journal of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Disease, patients who test positive with a Ct above 33 are not truly infected (meaning they are not contagious or symptomatic, and carry barely any virus). An investigative piece by The New York Times revealed that 90% percent of people testing positive did not test positive until after 30 Ct (meaning 90% of “cases” carried barely any virus or were false positives.) So, the CDC’s decision will artificially deflate the amount of “breakthrough cases” (by well over 90%) in comparison to unvaccinated individuals.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  izzy

It depends on the goal of testing. PCR tests with higher cycles are to check on exposure in the community, not on infectivity of an individual although public health seems to make little distinction. Reducing the number of cycles to measure virus levels is to check on severity of infection for vaccinated individuals in one study. The PCR for public monitoring has not yet changed as far as I know.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Infectivity of a vaccinated person
versus exposure in the unvaccinated community?

Apples and oranges.

Shell game anyone?

Nothing to see here folks move along.

Cases among the unvaccinated encourage jabs,

Cases among the jabbed, discourage vaccination.

It’s important to control the narrative.

It’s the only way that cases among the vaccinated will not keep increasing to the point that they become a more significant percentage, compared to the unvaccinated cases, than is currently convincing the populace to be vaccinated.

They must, at all costs, never show a
true continuing comparison of cases associated with the vaxxed, versus the unvaxxed.

Doing so would only continue to show increasingly more and more cases among the vaxxed, troubling the already vaxxed more and more, and, conversely, decreasing cases among the unvaxxed, again, troubling the already vaxxed more and more, and becoming more and more representative of a decreasing urge for the unvaxxed to get the jabs.

This information, if truly represented, would work counter to their goals, so the truth must not be told.

The writing was on the wall, was I the only one who could read it?

Ever since Netanyahu perfectly timed his statement about the comparitive percentages of Israel’s Covid19 deaths in the 30 days after the very first Israeli was fully vaccinated, that deaths associated with unvaxxed vs vaxxed were 97 to 3 respectively, in order to somehow deceptively prod his Country, and others, to get vaxxed, I knew we would never hear those numbers get properly compared again, ever.

I said long ago they would never reveal the truth in regards to vaxxed vs unvaxxed cases.

And now you have proof of what I foretold.
A different testing and reporting methodology for each group’s case count can in no way be properly compared.

Surprise!

I was right.

That was four months ago I said that would happen.

I’ll go back and find the comment.

February, 9th, was it? Maybe a day or two after that? That was the date he made his dubious statement.

There were some that used his statement as proof of efficacy.

He never said that, but it was strongly implied. And that is what people gathered by it, sadly.

Only 30 days into full vaccinations, efficacy is quite simply impossible to tell.

The deception had succeeded.

The people he improperly convinced of a false equivalency to efficacy began to use that twisted logic on others.

I almost fell for it, then fortunately, returned to my senses.

For others, there apparently was no going back.

Netanyahu Logic.

It’s apparently, contagious.

I’m glad I had natural Immunity to it.

My bullshitometer pegged in the red, right away.

Same as what it’s doing with the way cases are being counted now.

Netanyahu Logic.

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Nonsense.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

one month and 5 days not 4months. Forehead slap!
May 6 @3:08 pm.

As far as what you think is nonsense, I’d love an opportunity to address that, but I’m going to need specifics. Thanks.

Show me case counts,using same test method, for
vaxxed versus unvaxxed, compared to each other.

Up to date.

It is not being shown.

It is being concealed.

Now, why might that be?

Skitty
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Skitty
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Wow. You are Nostradamus!! You should play the lottery.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Skitty

Check out palladium, see what it’s done.

I also saw that coming, since way before it passed gold and platinum.

That was easy, simple supply and demand.

As far as your Nostradamus comment, E=Mc ² , that wouldn’t apply to the lottery, that’s pure chance.

So here’s what I will tell you,
a woman appeared in a dream around the first of may, mentioned her name, and when I woke, I remembered what she had said.

See if you can solve the mystery, Skitty, and if you’ve the balls, you might just make a pretty penny, but I won’t guarantee it.

Would you bet on a seer?

It wasn’t a woman’s name so much, as a synonym for
“enthusiastic”. And no, I’m not going to tell you what she said, you have to do some work.

I’ll make it easier than E=MC²,
just for you.

I had no idea what the significance of the word she said, but just because of my curious nature, I checked to see if there might 🤔🧐😁 be a stock associated.

Sure enough, and it was around $20.00, I don’t remember exactly, and it had bounced pretty hard that day, maybe around 4 or 5%.

I checked it the next day and it bounced even harder,
maybe around 10%,could have been the other way around.

Up,up, up it’s gone, despite a couple of small daily losses.

It’s at $36.59 today, up $0.93(2.61%). And in the 40 or so days since my dream, it’s almost doubled. I shoulda played that hunch, too, but I never do. I’m not that guy.

I don’t give a shit if you want to believe me or not.

I’m just the medium. It must suck to not to be able to see shit coming. It sure can help.

Check back here for more stock tips. Dont hold your breath, Skitty.

By the way, you violated
Rule# 15. So I bent it with his formula.
Hopefully I will get style points and not get deleted.

I am not offended by your Nostradamus comment, do I hope it stays, for context.

One disclaimer, that previous
forecast? about the vaxxed vs unvaxxed case count concealment…

It looks like I only predicted that five weeks ago, anyway, thats as old a comment as I could find, so maybe not 4 months ago months ago like I said, I remember mentioning it to Ernie and Kym multiple times. I just haven’t found exactly the first time.

Netanyahu claimed it 4 months ago, I remember it being super iffy sounding.

Finally dug deeper to find exact vax rates by date in the 30 day time period he referenced.

By the end of it only 25% were vaxxed.

Efficacy, schmeckifacacy.

Netanyahu Logic.

Simply estimated percentages of vaccinated and unvaccinated status of people that died of Covid19, perfectly timed.

That’s it.

Nobody seems to be able to fathom that.

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

“CDC plans “emergency meeting” on rare heart inflammation following COVID-19 vaccines.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-vaccine-cdc-meeting-myocarditis-heart-inflammation/

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Yep , emergency meeting, next Thursday. To discuss it.

Meanwhile vaxxing away on kids like crazy, non stop.

What could go wrong?

4Trinity
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4Trinity
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

Not really Auntie. There is only ONE reason to “test” with a Ct of 30 or higher. Just ONE.

To overinflate the numbers. That’s it. “Tested positive”. A “case”. 7 new “cases” today! Boooo! 🙀

The fear factor. How else do you sell your jabs? (the goal all along?)

treehugger
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treehugger
2 years ago
Reply to  izzy

“An investigative piece by The New York Times revealed that 90% percent of people testing positive did not test positive until after 30 Ct (meaning 90% of “cases” carried barely any virus or were false positives.)”…

This is no surprise.. a test sample that is run 40 Ct will have OVER 4,000X MORE of the virus in it than if it’s run 28 Ct.. HUGE DIFFERENCE. That’s not 4,000X more than the original sample taken from the tested individual, but 4,096 TIMES more of the virus in it than the amount thats in the sample after running it 28 cycles. Every cycle doubles the amount of virus in the sample.

Geist
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Geist
2 years ago
Reply to  treehugger

Here’s a link to the article, rather than an unsourced quote from *somewhere.*
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.amp.html
Having a low viral load doesn’t necessarily mean you’re asymptomatic or, more importantly, not contagious.

treehugger
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treehugger
2 years ago
Reply to  Geist

I wasn’t quoting anyone.. just pointing out the huge difference the number of cycles makes after I actually did the math myself.

Knowing that each cycle doubles the amount of virus, it’s pretty easy. I started with 1 and doubled it 28X.. that’s 268 million (268,435,456). If 1 is doubled 40X thats over a trillion (1,099,511,627,776).. 4,096X more.. isn’t that correct? I’d say if you can’t find enough of the virus after magnifying it 268million times, then maybe it’s time to call it quits.

And my source for the fact that each cycle doubles the amount is here..

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/en/about/blog/2021/explained-covid19-pcr-testing-and-cycle-thresholds

4Trinity
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4Trinity
2 years ago
Reply to  treehugger

Thanks Treehugger. The entire lie/scam is based around the “test”.

Very hard for some to believe they’ve been bamboozled.

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  4Trinity

Well it’s very disingenuous. The thing is, if only 10% of the numbers recorded actually had the virus, then the CFR just jumped 10 fold, making the virus far more deadly. There are people out there who aren’t going to take the vaccine right now that probably would if the disease turned out to actually be 10x more deadly than it is.

Public health has been a complete failure this whole pandemic in regards to getting relevant, transparent information regarding this disease to people in a timely manner. Fauci had 40 years to prepare us for a pandemic that he had been warning us about, and when it finally happened, our country didn’t even have enough PPE. These public health “experts” that people take their word as gold did a terrible job. If me or anybody I worked with did a job like that we would get fired so fast our heads would spin.

Farce
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Farce
2 years ago

I’m concerned about our local health professionals. Did they really think that people in this county would not be questioning whether the hospitalizations from Covid came from vaccinated vs. unvaccinated people?! Do they know this county?! They should have posted that information directly and immediately and it would have cut out a lot of discussion about vax efficiency. Maybe they are medically intelligent but boy- they kind of suck at public relations! Many people here want to think things out independently and deserve full disclosure to make their choices…

Mountain Man
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Mountain Man
2 years ago

Just put the info out and let us who care to read it. More info never hurts if this is such an important pandemic. There should be no mystery here or only “experts” telling us what is good for us. They seem to change their minds often. By the way I am vaccinated because on age and health and I appreciate any info .

Auntie Ovine
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Auntie Ovine
2 years ago

If public health wants to be believed in their pronouncements, they need to be willing to face questioners with answers. It is clear that there are breakthrough cases. What is meaningful for those questioning whether vaccination is worth the risk is knowing how much better their situation is than the unvaccinated. If it’s not better, why take the risk? Even if Dr. Hoffman doesn’t think it is important, the lack of evidence for his statements makes it much easier to doubt them.

According to Dr. Hoffman above there have been 40 breakthrough cases. And none were hospitalized. If a breakdown of those stats for vaccinated versus unvaccinated were published, then the issue would be more clear. And cummulative totals is too much work to tease for that purpose.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Auntie Ovine

You are absolutely right, and well said.
But the testing and reporting methodology cannot be different for the two groups, or they simply cannot properly be compared to each other.

And the testing and reporting methology is not the same, so that there can be no proper comparison.

It’s designed that way.

So, if they want to keep their paychecks coming, they must continue to not answer the questions, because they can’t. It’s been set up that way, purposefully. And they must push for vaccination, even in children.

To test and report the Vaccinated less stringently for infection than how stringently the Unvaccinated are tested and reported, in order to disguise or conceal the true comparative vaxxed infection rate, is shameful and fraudulent.

But not surprising.

W
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W
2 years ago

So how many people with natural immunity have been reinfected?
Without this data the numbers are Skewed.

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  W

How many people have natural Immunity?

Without this data how can you know how many of them have been reinfected?

Or, how many people were unnecessarily vaccinated.

Or how much community immunity is really out there, and when we can reasonably stop vaccinations that aren’t really necessary.

If they don’t check for natural immunity prior to vaccination, we’re all skewed.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

True. Now what is the REAL purpose of the jabs?

Since it looks like no one really cares about “health” or immunity.

In my 1911 I trust
Guest
In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago

The funny thing is, if nobody watched t.v. or had a smartphone nobody would’ve noticed this “pandemic”

Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago

Except for the 3,800,691 who died and their families and friends…

Anon
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Anon
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Died from, or with? That pesky detail changes everything.

Follow the Monet
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Follow the Monet
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Ask Director Wray about the information he received in April of 2020, and what he did with it?

Answer , sir, to the 600k dead people from this virus.

Wray is a damned disgrace.

Kym Kemp
Admin
2 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Anon,
You can see if you read the local reports on COVID deaths that occasionally the number of deaths will be recalibrated to reflect that though someone died WITH COVID they have been determined not to have died FROM COVID. From that you could extrapolate that the numbers already pretty closely reflect those that died from COVID.

Or you could just look at the fact that during a lockdown with people getting into less accidents, etc. 20% more people died than during an average year.

“The analysis shows that between March 2020 and February 2021, there were a fifth more deaths than in a normal year for the US (+20.2%)” https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57421886

Guest
Guest
Guest
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

You could also conclude that lockdowns kill.

An object in motion tends to stay in motion, and an object at rest, tends to stay at rest.

It might be that way for “subjects”, as well.

Anon
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Anon
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Or one could look deeper than the narrative bullshit numbers they want us to buy.

Take a gander at the raging preexisting cardiovascular disease and obesity stats. Or diabetes cases exploding nationwide.

Greater than 50%of our population suffer from both cardiovascular disease and obesity, and the rate of diabetes is fast approaching 15%.

That’s some easy pickings for a upper respiratory/vascular virus.

From the nurse in the ICU victims were largely (pardon the pun) “fat and diabetic.”

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  Anon

Yes, comorbidities contributed to many people’s deaths. But that’s like saying that because a heavy person sat on a swing after someone had mostly sawn through the links that the heavy person wouldn’t have fallen if they weren’t fat. Yes, their weight contributed but they wouldn’t have fallen/died if someone hadn’t weakened the links or in there hadn’t been a worldwide pandemic.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

And those “deaths” WITH covid was because the PCR test said so.

Or the Doc had “reason to believe” and collected his/her/their $.

Numbers are/were always inflated.

It’s necessary for The Plan to work.

Which should be obvious by now. Should….

Anon
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Anon
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I liken it to a 350 pound person with narrowed arteries wondering why he failed at the triathlon.

They are the weakened link.

USA lead the way in serious illness / death , for a reason.

Life is always throwing infectious agents our way.

Every day.

Few acknowledge that the human body is half the equation in viral infections! A virus is 100% dependent on OUR CELLS to duplicate.

We could have spent the last 18 months fortifying ourselves as a nation.

Nope. No health official said one word about that possibility.

Instead we demonize critical thought. celebrate inactivity and the insane super-sized life, sheltering, and running in fear.

For fuck’s sake. Masks outdoors?? The epitomy of stupid.

Local Family
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Local Family
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

car accident fatalities were up everywhere, along with dug overdoses and suicides. 3x in many places.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  Local Family

You are right. I was wrong. I checked. Car fatalities were up. https://www.nsc.org/newsroom/motor-vehicle-deaths-2020-estimated-to-be-highest

But COVID deaths were the leading driver of the increase in deaths. https://www.advisory.com/en/daily-briefing/2021/04/01/coronavirus

Local Family
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Local Family
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Please look at annual death data going back 10-15 years in multiple countries. It’s hard to assemble, because…whatever. Some diligent people have been assembling it, by collating manually the official sources of info. What you find is a weak 2 years prior and a spike in 2020 that makes up for that. If you look back even FIVE years, the death rate was much higher. Multiple instances of severe flue seasons in the past 10-15 years create spikes more than 1/3rd higher than what we see in 2020. All of this against a backdrop of an aging population, which should see annually increasing death rates every year (Japan shows this).

The takeaway is that none of this is significant, and the people in the press telling you it is are mostly lying. Then trusting people repeat that, assuming the press would never lie. That’s a dangerously foolish thing to believe that is easily contradicted by endless evidence, but it is a thing nonetheless.

You are being told that this is a terrible, dangerous thing, when that is not the case. The economic and social catastrophe of 2020, contagions not withstanding, is enough to drive a death rate spike according to any competent analyst. Remember that old folks were forcibly kept from contact with their loved ones throughout this – how cruel. Many gave up.

What we’ll find when looking back in five years is that the death rate for 2020 “pandemic” and 2021 was not significant. There will be a commensurate decline in deaths for 2022 and 2023, as the ill near to death who would otherwise die in those years died in 2020 and 2021.

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago
Reply to  Local Family

That isn’t the case with any of the stats that I’ve seen. Could you please provide a link?

Follow the Monet
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Follow the Monet
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

People die every year, ms Kemp!

We are simply making room for all those wonderful illegals with an average iq of 85.

Someone has to pay, either sell bonds, raise taxes, or print more money,

Or stop the outrageous spending.

Can you look at your kids, grandkids and tell them they will be indentured servants because we were afraid to Hold the investor class responsible for its share?

Geist
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Geist
2 years ago

I don’t think you have to worry about people with a lower IQ than you coming across the border.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
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His news sources beat the “illegal immigrant/border” problem 24/7. Then they come here acting like illegals are ruining the country, not corporate fat cats and corrupt politicians.

Free estimates
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Free estimates
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Can’t both be true simultaneously?

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
2 years ago
Reply to  Free estimates

Hello Darkness , my old friend…

Free estimates
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Free estimates
2 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Darkness? Charlie Murphy?

Kym Kemp
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2 years ago

There were weeks in the US last year that 50% more people died than during the same week in an average year and every week but in January of 2020 there were more people dying than during an average year–and we were locked down…

“The analysis shows that between March 2020 and February 2021, there were a fifth more deaths than in a normal year for the US (+20.2%)” https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57421886

Guest
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2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Newton’s first law of motion teaches us that,

” An object at rest stays at rest,and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force.”

So, the only thing left to determine is the
“unbalanced force”.

So, would the “unbalanced force” be the lockdown, or would it be the Authorities involved who enacted the lockdown?

4Trinity
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4Trinity
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

BBC? The gates-funded bbc?

No conflict-of-interest eh?

Have a non-Big Pharma source?

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
2 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Yeah and they would’ve been most likely old and died of pneumonia, which is what kills the vast majority of elderly.

If one can read between the lines you would’ve been able to figure out I was referring back to the Spanish flu pandemic where nobody had smart phones and nobody was being tested, yet everyone knew there was a pandemic because people were literally dropping dead in the street.

This was fully manufactured through over testing and fear mongering through the media. If nobody got tested or had a tv or smart phone, life would’ve just rolled on.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
2 years ago

The deadliest months (from one cause) in Americas history, besides Oct 1918 (Spanish Flu peak), were only possible due to the SARS-Cov2 (Covid) pandemic.

If people didn’t have a brain, they would not know that.

And the living would still be alive.

AA
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AA
2 years ago

Adding vaxxed vs. unvaxxed and real time hospitalization is good. Thanks.

“Dr. Hoffman noted that the county had tallied about 40 cases of COVID-19 in vaccinated people locally, none of whom required hospital care.” Nice.

.03% covid cases were breakthrough.

So does that mean there were 13000 cases since April 1st when the vaxx began?

Anybody?

Guest
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2 years ago
Reply to  AA

It means that 133,333 Humboldt County individuals (99%) are fully vaccinated, and that is simply not true.

Considering more like only 57,550 are fully vaccinated (49% of eligible), the breakthrough rate is 0.07%, not 0.03%
like Dr.Hoffman insisted.

Things just aren’t adding up….

AA
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AA
2 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Thanks guest.

Guest
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2 years ago
Reply to  AA

Thank you,AA,
I wouldn’t have figured that out if you hadn’t asked your question.

Now, how much of anything he says that lacks evidence do we just believe?

I say not one bit.

Just like Fauci, I believed him at first.

Pretty obvious now what he’s saying isn’t true.

And that is just 40 so far.

It’s only been a little while.

Why can’t they just tell the truth?