One Death, 48 New Cases Reported Since Friday

Press release from the Humboldt County Joint Information Center:

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A Humboldt County Resident has died with COVID-19, and 48 additional cases have been reported since Friday, bringing to 2,955 the total number of county residents who have tested positive for the virus.

The individual who died was in their 60s. This marks the county’s 32nd death related to COVID-19. Staff at Humboldt County Public Health and the Emergency Operations Center extend their condolences to the family and friends of all those who have lost loved ones during the pandemic.

Vaccines Available Now for 75+; Second Dose Clinics Also Scheduled This Week

Humboldt County Public Health and local approved vaccinators are actively working to schedule vaccinations for county residents age 75 and over. Of the nearly 10,000 county residents in this age group, approximately half have already begun the vaccine series, but the other half has not yet signed up. Anyone who is 75 years old or older and has not been contacted for a vaccination appointment by their provider or Public Health should call the Humboldt County Joint Information Center at 707-441-5000.

Public Health, in collaboration with health care providers, has scheduled three second dose clinics through Sunday and expects to administer nearly 1,100 second doses to health care workers, emergency services workers, in-person educators, in-person school support staff and long-term care facility staff. This is in addition to vaccinations offered by local providers to their patients.

Places of Worship Can Resume Indoor Services at Reduced Capacity

The State of California has put in place interim capacity limits for Places of Worship in response to recent judicial rulings. Under the “Purple” or widespread tier, Places of Worship may hold indoor services at 25% capacity. The California Department of Public Health announced that it will update industry guidance for this sector soon.

For information about requirements under the “Purple” tier, go to cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/CDPH%20Document%20Library/COVID-19/Dimmer-Framework-September_2020.pdf.

For the most recent COVID-19 information, visit cdc.gov or cdph.ca.gov. Local information is available at humboldtgov.org or during business hours by contacting [email protected] or calling 707-441-5000.

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Steve Parr
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Steve Parr
3 years ago

Another death “related to” Covid. How about you start reporting actual Covid deaths as opposed to deaths “related to” Covid, Kym. There’s a huge difference.

Although I realize you are probably just passing on the information given to you, don’t you think it would be interesting to find out how many of these deaths are actually directly attributable to Covid and how many are deaths with just an incidental relationship to it?

Before my mother died she told me she felt that if she caught the common cold it would kill her. However, had that happened, I’m sure her death would still have been listed as “complications from cancer and stroke”. Why are “Covid” deaths treated so much differently?

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve Parr

I’ll just leave this here, AGAIN.
Normally, the US doesn’t have nearly half a million people drop dead from pneumonia every year.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Yeah, CDC and state can’t even figure out how many covid tests have been given in a year. CDC says 11 million, state says 14 million, holy sheet , that’s alot of testing to track a flu. Unprecedented amount of testing, how do we compare this year to any other, if we would have tested everyone this well in the past years, I bet flu related deaths are in the hundreds of thousands, imagine that. It took government years to figure out that half a million people die each year of a flu related death, big surprise, always a day late as usual.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

Except, you know, they don’t. Small details and all.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

Where are you getting those numbers? The CDC says California administered 37.8 million tests, 1.3 million tests just this week.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#testing_positivity7day

Skitty
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Skitty
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

He makes things up all the time. After all to LR it’s just the “flu”.

R-dog
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3 years ago
Reply to  Skitty

It’s just the flu untill you get it my cousin never died from the flu he was stonger than that

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  R-dog

I read your comment from the other day mentioning your cousin.

Sorry bout your loss R Dog.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Holy sheet, 37 million just in California, how many people were tested for the flu in 2018? To get case numbers, you’ve gotta test. That’s alotta panicking 37000000 tested just in Cali, that’s crazy. Makes it easy to make money, poor suckers, unbelievable.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

Where did you get your numbers? Just pull them out of your ass?

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

The zeros must have thrown you off, numbers are from your previous comment, 37000000 is the same as 37 million.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

You claimed the CDC said 11 million originally. That is the number I’m accusing you of fabricating.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Those numbers, the 11 million, was as of May 2020, CDC is apparently going back through their records correcting sheet. But you threw out that 37 mil in cali alone, that is incredible amount of testing, full blown panicdemic

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

Horseshit. They’ve been updating those numbers daily since at least last summer. Please link to your source.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

I see your point Lone Ranger.

My guess is very few got “tested” for the flu in 2018.

Apples and bicycles.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

300,000+ people didn’t die of pneumonia in 2018.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

How do you know that for a fact, no one was tested.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

You don’t “test” for pneumonia, its a symptom.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

They didn’t test for influenza A or B , follow me?

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

I used pneumonia as an example specifically because its diagnosis doesn’t require a test.

Willie Bray
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3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

🕯🌳Look who’s panicking. 🖖🖖

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Willie Bray

I am amazed, that is an impressive number Willie. Thats triple the number of people that generally get tested for the flu every year in the whole nation. You are correct, that’s alotta panicking right there. 37000000 tests in one year just in California, impressive. Money is being made hand over fist , no wonder stocks are going crazy.

TLC
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TLC
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Geist,
Respectively what we are debating is are all those deaths attributed to covid the same as they attribute deaths prior to covid to the flu.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  TLC

Since this chart tracks pneumonia, influenza and Covid together, that answer should be obvious. Anybody who died of flu, pneumonia and/or Covid is counted in that number. Something caused a sevenfold increase in pneumonia deaths, using the same metrics as previous years.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Same continued discussion, brand new name!

It’s like Groundhog Day, minus the good actors.

You’re a frickin champ Geist.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

About the only thing worthwhile on your favorite chart Geist, is possibly the red line.

If the numbers were accurate.

Steve
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Steve
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Except your numbers are derived from faulty diagnostic techniques which the WHO have addressed https://www.who.int/news/item/20-01-2021-who-information-notice-for-ivd-users-2020-05

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Those are WHO instruction guidelines on HOW TO ADMINISTER PCR TESTS. If you have evidence that people are misusing them, maybe post that instead.

If there are so many false positives for Covid, what caused the sevenfold increase in pneumonia deaths? There is no way faulty PCR tests can interfere with a pneumonia diagnosis, since its simply a symptom.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1113051/number-reported-deaths-from-covid-pneumonia-and-flu-us/

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be.
The usual diagnostic tests may simply be too sensitive and too slow to contain the spread of the virus.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

[Quote]

In three sets of testing data that include cycle thresholds, compiled by officials in Massachusetts, New York and Nevada, up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus, a review by The Times found.

On Thursday, the United States recorded 45,604 new coronavirus cases, according to a database maintained by The Times. If the rates of contagiousness in Massachusetts and New York were to apply nationwide, then perhaps only 4,500 of those people may actually need to isolate and submit to contact tracing.

One solution would be to adjust the cycle threshold used now to decide that a patient is infected. Most tests set the limit at 40, a few at 37. This means that you are positive for the coronavirus if the test process required up to 40 cycles, or 37, to detect the virus.

Tests with thresholds so high may detect not just live virus but also genetic fragments, leftovers from infection that pose no particular risk — akin to finding a hair in a room long after a person has left, Dr. Mina said.

Any test with a cycle threshold above 35 is too sensitive, agreed Juliet Morrison, a virologist at the University of California, Riverside. “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 could represent a positive,” she said.

A more reasonable cutoff would be 30 to 35, she added. Dr. Mina said he would set the figure at 30, or even less. Those changes would mean the amount of genetic material in a patient’s sample would have to be 100-fold to 1,000-fold that of the current standard for the test to return a positive result — at least, one worth acting on.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

If there are so many false positives, where did all the excess pneumonia deaths come from? The chart you posted shows approximately a 33% increase in overall deaths during the last peak, where do you suppose they came from?

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

“this chart tracks pneumonia, influenza and Covid together…”

“where did all the excess pneumonia deaths come from? ”

Your question isn’t worded correctly.

See?

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  4Trinity

I have posted those pneumonia numbers 20+ times. Don’t play stupid.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1113051/number-reported-deaths-from-covid-pneumonia-and-flu-us/

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

But they aren’t really “pneumonia deaths”.

See?

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  4Trinity

I told you don’t play stupid.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  4Trinity

Yes sir! (you should have known I’m not good at taking orders, authoritarian follower)

Guess you don’t see….

Dave Kirby
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Dave Kirby
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve Parr

I got my second Pfizer today. In two weeks I should have enough B and T cells up and running to protect me from the dangerous aspects of Covid. Thanks to the crew at Jerrold Phelps/ SHCHD.

Steve Parr
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Steve Parr
3 years ago

Another question: most seasonal bugs are tallied just that way: seasonally. Why is Covid being tallied cumulatively, across the seasons? Isn’t that disingenuous?

Cy Anse
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Cy Anse
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve Parr

It’s being tallied across seasons because it hasn’t been behaving strictly seasonal like influenza tends to.

Steve
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Steve
3 years ago
Reply to  Cy Anse

It kinda is

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve

It also kinda isn’t.

Ullr Rover
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Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve

Looks like a regular flu season, huh? Impossible, the media wouldn’t steer us wrong . Its funny watching a herd of animals,one starts to run,the majority follow.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

Flu seasons don’t usually last all year and have a peak midsummer.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Usually we don’t panic and make everyone shelter and drag out the flu season. Hindsight is usually 20/20 , take a good look at last year and it is all pretty apparent.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

The states that didn’t shelter in place are not in better shape than the ones thar did.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

But the ones who did are not in better shape either. Probably because it is only a successful strategy in places that have both a cooperative populace AND borders that are able to be rigorously enforced. To make a stay at home order in a place where the southern border is as porous as a sieve and the northern one is thousands of miles of uncontrolled commerce is to do great harm to the economy (at least selected individuals chosen to be the losers) while at best prolonging the misery.

How can you look at what’s happened and still think of that as some sort of goal? It can’t happen. Not here. We had a population at each others throats before the pandemic. And almost zero effectiveness on border control. All that happens is that those who want to force everyone into the boxes they want get more and more spiteful as success proves elusive. A lot more willingness to do what is realistic and develop strategies to cope with the inevitable failures rather than ragging endlessly on impossibilities would have been much less damaging over all. But the naggers of America increase divisions, reduce border controls and prevent acknowledging reality which is increasing the likelihood of the most misery. The only salvation from such a group think is a vaccine and the matters even use that to increase division.

I suspect the next step in this process will be to agitate for more subsidies for the very people they brought to such misery by their mindless emoting.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Your argument was that Covid isn’t a problem and we just dragged out a normal flu season by sheltering in place. So why is South Dakota, a state where no lockdown, masking or social distencing was ever instituted, the hardest hit state per capita?

You want to shift the debate to immigration? Trump ran on securing the borders. This all happened during his administration, remember? I guess we need to build a wall on South Dakota’s porous border with Mexico.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

No it isn’t. Never said anything like that. Just that your correlation is really not accurate.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

I though I was replying to LR.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

I agree Steve. If we took away the inaccurate “tests” it would look very much like a extremely bad flu year.

If things weren’t so f-ed, those numbers would likely be significantly lower.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  4Trinity

There’s no test for pneumonia. Its just a symptom. Somehow, it septupled last year.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Well…..except for your chest x-ray test.

But I have no idea how much it is used.

No doubt there was an increase in pneumonia and/or influenza deaths. I believe it went from 52k to 58k.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Geist, can you provide a link to statista’s source?

Good, now look at the sources terminology:

Exactly- “deaths INVOLVING pneumonia”.

statista- “pneumonia deaths”

See the difference?

That’s how you’ve been easily duped.

I’m still at 58k+/- pneumonia deaths in 2020, which is a little above normal.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve

No.

What you see in the graph is the introduction of a new virus to today.

Steady, exponentially growing.

You’ll notice that in April, June and July there are huge growths compared to Jan. 2020.

So, it’s not acting like anything at all.

The flu does not have 0 cases through January and 60,000 deaths in April.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

But it dos periodically when a seriously variant of the flu arrived. Like in 1918, 1953 and 1968 with diminished oscillation thereafter. Yet somehow the US shook it off, recovered and went on. This time the going on looks a lot less like recovery and a lot more chronic. Thank you to the fantasizers who think science will save them if we just science enough. Sheesh. We’ll just have to wait for them to move on and throw up their barricades at the next street corner.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Covid killed five times more people in the US than either the ’57 or ’68 pandemics. The 1918 epidemic occurred before the advent of penicillin. We would almost certainly be seeing far more deaths from pneumonia without modern antibiotics and sythetic steroids.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

But not the earlier one which is where perspective comes in. And even the 1968 pandemic killed between one million and four million world wide. A 100,000 in the US when it had less than 2/3rds of the population. Somehow the level of rhetoic is equivalent to the Black Death when there is zero likelihood of that being true. It is not dismissing covid to say this is not our first pandemic.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

150,000 is still less than our current death toll by 2/3s. 2.3 million have died world wide. I don’t know what point you’re trying to make.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve Parr

Not if you are comparing it to previous epidemics.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

The point was that it is a useless metric for most people, used in media to scare. Now you might think people need scaring or you might think people need reassuring. If the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic killed one third of the world’s population, it would be equivalent to about 3 to 3 billion deaths now. Maybe if that was kept in mind, that humanity survived and prospered after that, even when the deaths were of younger people, 4 million deaths now would be much less useful to the drum beaters of horror and more rational thinking could take place. It would seem dealable if not pain free. Maybe less stupidities would happen, like Cuomo sending covid patients to nursing homes or shuttering of so many small business out of existence. Or one way aisles at Safeway.

This whole debate should be about how to best help everyone get through this individually rather than the spitefest that occupies so many here.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

If you have to compare Covid to a pandemic that occurred before the invention of penicillin to make it seem less dangerous, you’ve already undercut your own argument.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Antibiotics do not treat a virus. Occasionally a covid patient might get a bacterial infection too but penicillin is not really a game changer for this disease.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Its not “occasional.” Pneumonia is the most common comorbidity for Covid.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
3 years ago

RIP old person. Glad the daily case count is way down so things are looking better. I tagged along to my wife’s vaccination clinic appointment today and they had extra shots for whoever wanted one including me.

US Marine no fear no filter no fks
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US Marine no fear no filter no fks
3 years ago

Old person in 60s….lolwut? I’m 45 and we just had our first child 22 months ago. No way I’m dying when my son is 15 years old.

I can run a Mile in 7:45 at age 45..wut you got kid?

I like stars
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I like stars
3 years ago

Not exactly a pace or distance to brag about is it? Seems similar to touting the ability to do 5 pushups or a single pullup.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago

Thanks for all your input, Marine.

When in Rome
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When in Rome
3 years ago

An “old person” in their sixties could very possibly have 20 or more years of living left to do. You sound very cavalier, Mir.

A deep state sandwich
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A deep state sandwich
3 years ago
Reply to  When in Rome

To the number crunchers, fatalities are merely plots on a graph to be used for the highest bidder.

Mike
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Mike
3 years ago

32 deaths? Otherwise known as .023 percent of humboldts population. In other news 99.977 percent of humboldts population havent died from worlds deadliest pandemic

furies
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furies
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Pfft. The expense of being ill or hospitalized *alone* isn’t something to be cavalier about, let alone the long term health implications (kidney, heart, lung, brain, blood vessels all are damaged by even a mild case of Covid) or long haul Covid (autoimmune issues along with the chronic problems brought on by infection.)

How many people have to die for you to take this seriously?

I fully expect to get it as there is no way to escape the maskless deniers around me everywhere.

Good job. I wonder if this is some Koch Bros. campaign to seed doubt and insert misinformation, cause confusion whip up the plebs all in the name of MONEY. It’s what this country worships, after all.

No time to save lives, we must put our noses to the grindstone and maintain profits AT ALL COSTS!

overpopulation makes life cheap, eh?

Mike
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Mike
3 years ago
Reply to  furies

Well the media initially said over 2 million deaths in California alone… so about 2 million more?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

The President said it would disappear like a miracle.

(While trying to cook the CDC books)

What “media” said 2 million deaths in CA?

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

The previous president. The president said it will be a dark winter, so far its been pretty sunny, last Saturday was pretty hot.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

Turn your lights off.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

That only works if you’re in the basement. Oh yeah ,ole Joe is in the basement, best comment ever TBR.

Cy Anse
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Cy Anse
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

The media never predicted 2 million deaths in California as far as I can tell.

There was a single early article out of Great Britain which suggested that based on known case fatality rates at the time and if nothing was done to restrict viral transmission or develop improved treatments, then 2.2 million Americans could die. He also pointed out that none of that was likely since social behaviors would begin to reduce viral transmission and it was likely that therapies for treating COVID would improve over time.

Still, a half million dead from the “cold” is pretty freakin’ impressive. And not in a good way.

Bushytails
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Bushytails
3 years ago
Reply to  Cy Anse

Scarily, the 2.2m estimate was actually likely low… Even if you go with the people who claim a quarter of the population has already had covid, then multiply our current number of deaths by four, you’re almost there, and that’s even with the treatments we bought time to develop. We could still hit 2m if the vaccine doesn’t work.

I like stars
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I like stars
3 years ago
Reply to  Bushytails

If we wait long enough, 2 million people may be killed by lightning strikes.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

At an average rate of 43 deaths per year, lightning strikes will take approximately 10,814 years to catch up to current Covid deaths.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Cy Anse

Cold related, big difference. Crazy how many people have one foot in the grave but modern medicine keeps them alive until the flu comes along. But with 130 million births a year , 2.3 million deaths from this lamedemic is nothing, especially compared to the 8,000,000,000 on the planet.

thetallone
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thetallone
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

And if someone broke into your house and killed you and your family, it would also be nothing statistically. 8 billion people would have survived the attack. Your argument is meaningless.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  thetallone

Only 5 covid cases today shortone, I’m reminding you that the flu season is almost over ,the same every year. Btw, none of my family lives with me, but I’ve got good life insurance that covers any death, kids would be loaded, I could sure use a tall cool one about now.

thetallone
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thetallone
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

So the flu season was March 2020 to March 2021. That’s a longone.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Hey Mike,

You recently posted about why you keep your large dogs locked up.

Why was it you do that again?

Mike
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Mike
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I don’t lock them up, I pick a breed that is breed for a perimeter dog and I use proper training, along with enough property for said breed. It’s this thing called personal responsibility. Try it once. And it was one study that every news printed. If every media outlet says something, then it’s more than fair to say that it was said is it not?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

I guess you’ll understand my confusion.

I own large dogs, and I had to explain to my wife that if our dogs are allowed to roam free we cannot blame someone for shooting them. Even if the dog wasn’t causing harm. Grow up, keep your dogs contained. – Mike

https://kymkemp.com/2021/02/03/85-year-old-rancher-killed-by-unknown-person-in-bell-springs-area-findings-from-autopsy-and-investigation-reveal-shooting-was-homicide-says-sheriffs-department/#comment-1278296

There is a point to be made about your responsibility helping others.

Mike
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Mike
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Are u saying I’m a hypocrite and I should let my dogs eat random people in the neighborhood? The dogs might be skeptical but I could give it a go…

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

That’s not what I’m saying.

Mike
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Mike
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

If it would make you happy I could let my mongrel horde feast on the calf’s of the innocent , but I don’t see how that’ll help the situation out much? Seems like a kinda wierd request though…

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

It wouldn’t matter Mike.

At 30-60 deaths a year from dog bites, all Kym would need to print is that 99.9999999% of the population could give a fuck because they didn’t get bit and die.

And your responsibility is all for nothing, because people die anyways.

Mike
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Mike
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Let me ask you a question. With virtually limitless resources, what has the government done to expand ICU capacity in this country? Literally the only reason we are in shutdown is to save lives by not overwhelming the hospital system, so what are the pre covid numbers of icu capacity vs 1 year later? If you can give me a number that is impressive, that the government has literally done the one thing that would help, then I will listen to your logic. But if the answer is as I suspect why the hell should I take it serious when the people running things aren’t?

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Are you advocating for socialized healthcare?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

15 days to flatten the curve… (+/-a year)

Mike
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Mike
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Healthcare is already socialized in California. And yet I’m literally sitting here making the most valid arguement of the last year, what percent has icu capacity increased? Because if they answer isn’t 3,000 percent your government has failed you and your a tool If you are arguing on their side

rollin
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rollin
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Mike, you will notice that your very reasoned argument was met with crickets. Expect that every time. Liberalism is a mental disorder. I must warn you, keep it up and you’re a racist and need to be silenced for misinformation.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Crickets…..or hienas.

Definitely not much substance.

New day same old stuff
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New day same old stuff
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Mike- look, USA is a capitalist economy. That means the hospitals are mostly ALL PRIVATE. FYI this means its NOT the guvmints job to add icu capacity. Thats a business decision of the business owner who owns the business. In this case, a hospital. So yeah, it will be great when we pass Medicare for All but for now health care is still a private business.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

[Quote]

As of 2019, there are more than 6,000 hospitals in the U.S. The vast majority of these are large, public facilities like community-owned hospitals rather than smaller, for-profit private facilities. Public hospitals were responsible for 33.6 million admissions in 2017, whereas private hospitals admitted only 1.8 million patients.

https://www.woosterhospital.org/public-hospitals-vs-private-hospitals/#:~:text=Private%20hospitals%20can%20be%20a,out%2Dof%2Dpocket%20expenses.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

New Day, while there are many private hospitals (mostly non profits), you’d be dead wrong as to who controls them. The Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services accredits them. Without accreditation, Medicare and Medicaid will not pay for care. Without Medicare payment, most hospitals by far would be bankrupt. And that accreditation includes who can offer ICU beds, how many, for how long and with what equipment and staff. Which is why so many rural hospitals lost Medicare accreditation and closed. They simply could not get enough patients to support the dedicated staff Medicare requires to be accredited.

What you see in hospitals now is the result of much effort by hospital administration to squeeze Federal money out of a system that is inflexible and impermeable to local need. “Medicare for All” would only deprive hospitals of the extra money from private insurance that has basically subsidized the Medicare patients. Except of course for the billions in Medicare fraud that more enterprising shysters syphon off now. They’d make out like, well, bandits.

https://www.cms.gov/Medicare/Provider-Enrollment-and-Certification/CertificationandComplianc/Hospitals

Cy Anse
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Cy Anse
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Of the 2,955 known cases, 32 deaths is a 1.08% case fatality rate which is below the national average at the moment I think.

Still, 99.99975% of all Californians didn’t die in a drunk driving accident last year, does that mean we should stop enforcing DUI laws?

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Cy Anse

John Hopkins puts the national case mortality rate at 1.7%.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
By the “logic” of some posters, nobody dies due to auto accidents. They die due to blunt force trauma and blood loss, which might just be purely coincidental.

Me
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Me
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

For the millionth time

That’s a fatality rate for “ observed confirmed cases “ not total cases which is an extremely important factor you love to ignore

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Me

I said case mortality.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

We talked about this before, Geist.

The terms are CFR
(Case Fatality Rate),
and …
Mortality Rate

Case Mortality?

Oh, boy….

You seem to have invented that.

I guess it can mean whatever you want.

I really thought I got through to you.

You even acknowledged it, as I recall.

But now you’ve gone and waffled.

Oh, gosh, I said “waffle”.

Is that pushing the envelope?

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Well, you learn something every day.
https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/50/6/976.1

So, Is should have said CFR. In normal usage, the words are synonyms.

Mike
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Mike
3 years ago
Reply to  Cy Anse

Do we have a daily DUI update? Do I have to close my business because of DUIs? Is that the reason my kid can’t go to school?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Do we have a daily DUI update?

Yes. It is available.

Do I have to close my business because of DUIs?

Depends on your business. You would not be allowed to drive, so if you drive a taxi – buh bye.

Is that the reason my kid can’t go to school?

Kids are under 21. If you’re child is going to school drunk – well sorry, the kid is going to get expelled.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Agreed Mike.

“Cures” can be worse than the disease.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Cy Anse

No, but drunk driving hasn’t seen one percent of the media time in any given year that covid has. No one calls DUI a epidemic either.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

Auto accidents didn’t cause 1% of the deaths last year that Covid did.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

But car crashes were the leading cause of death of children in the US, causing over 20% of the total number of deaths. Who dies is important too. “Demographers, pediatricians and public-health experts say it’s possible that lockdowns and quarantines have prevented children from succumbing to deadly injuries and illnesses. But they also point out that other effects of the pandemic, such as lower vaccination rates and reduced prenatal care may increase childhood mortality rates going forward.” https://time.com/5929751/childhood-mortality-2020-covid-19/

TLC
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TLC
3 years ago
Reply to  Cy Anse

Your comparing drunk driving laws to lockdowns. Shame on you for sowing disinformation maybe your part of the false propaganda machine. This is ruining society and humanity more than the deaths or seniors 20 years of life left. People are selfish.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  TLC

The lockdown on drunk driving kills business. It decreases revenue at bars, convenience stores and body repair shops. /s

TLC
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TLC
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Drunk driving helps the cabs, uber, hotels. We can do tit for tat all day. I’d rather look at solutions. If you didn’t notice we are still in a modified lockdown. What is it that your not happy about. I’ll im expressing is that we can’t not be cognizant of other long term negative impacts. We are all sacrificing for people that are vulnerable, old preexisting health conditions ect… At some point they also need to be responsible for their own quarantine effectiveness. Most Younger healthy people can build natural immunity by being reexposed as the bodies immune system builds its immunity. Their is options that we can at least explore eventually we have to return to normal life.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  TLC

What? ANOTHER new name that just HAPPENS to be strictly anti.

You don’t say!

Where are last weeks names?

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Like I mentioned a while ago tree, you might be loud but you are not necessarily the majority.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  TLC

I don’t accept eugenics as a proportional solution to opening strip clubs and getting sit-down Appletinis.

I like stars
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I like stars
3 years ago
Reply to  Cy Anse

I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but California has essentially stopped enforcing DUI laws (and a bunch of others). The guy who let a woman burn alive after his DUI crash just received a slap on the wrist.

https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2021/feb/4/teenager-who-pleaded-guilty-fatal-myrtletown-dui-c/

Karen😁
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Karen😁
3 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

He actually received the legal punishment for his crime. If you don’t like it work to change the law

Fog Dog
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Fog Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Cy Anse

Unfortunately, covid was here spreading and killing long before the official numbers from public health were even in use. There was little to no testing during February and March and many of the tests supplied by the cdc at that time were faulty and inaccurate by their own admission.
I’d guess if we looked at excess deaths in Humboldt projected and actual in the last year we’d see a similar trend to the rest of the nation, but probably far under the worst percentages in the hardest hit areas. We’re fortunate that we are a fairly rural place. We aren’t as bunched up as in big cities taking mass transit to work daily and we seem to have a fair number of people that are taking things seriously. There is also a pretty small minority population comparatively. Many minority communities have been disproportionately affected by the pandemic.

Ice
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Ice
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Mike: Yet.

Running wild?
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Running wild?
3 years ago

What if it was a free for all, what if we had no shut down, and we just let people get sick? Is there a ICU in Garberville? Does fortuna hospital have a ICU? I know Saint Joe has a ICU, how many doctors and nurses are in Humboldt County? How many ventilator are here in the county? We could just open schools have festivals, dances, dinners, get togethers, then what? More people sick, not enough Doctors and Nurses, not to mention the everyday, health issues people go in the hospital for, car accidents, heart attacks strokes, dog bites, broken bones. It would be Covid19 run rampant. No thanks! Thank you first responders thank you healthcare workers, Thank you Frontline workers.

Swine
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Swine
3 years ago
Reply to  Running wild?

Brainwashed by the media

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Running wild?

The lamedemic would have been done by the May of 2020.

just me
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just me
3 years ago
Reply to  Running wild?

having spent 7 days in the Fortuna hospital, Redwood Memorial ICU.

obviously i’m alive and let me say very appreciative of their kind care of me.

I like stars
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I like stars
3 years ago
Reply to  Running wild?

What if they threw a war and nobody came?

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Running wild?

Maybe the thinking should be “why is there no plan to expand and contract hospital services to meet needs when pandemics happen?” We’ve simply produced too many useless college degrees for decades rather than making enough trained medical professionals. Maybe the paradigm should not be one family medical doctor to thousands of patient or less medical doctors in practice today than there was 40 years ago. And a third of those doctors who are here were trained in foreign countries. We not only outsourced our manufacturing, we outsourced our medical training.

Michelle
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Michelle
3 years ago

Let me be the first to say that I was one of the nay-sayers about COVID and the vaccine.
This person in their 60’s was in fact our loved one who lived in our home with our 2 children. He had no prior medical history that would be significant that would lead me to believe that he wouldn’t beat COVID, even after taking every single precaution. However, that wasn’t the case. The wonderful staff at St. Joe’s did an exemplary job of taking the very best care of him with daily updates or changes in his statues. My husband and his brother were able to be with their father while he left this earth very suddenly. The nurse that cared for him while in the ICU….although a traveling nurse, cared for him as if it were her own father. This has broken our family’s hearts. We know that we are not the only ones who have lost loved ones during this. It’s isn’t because we were careless, it wasn’t because we didn’t follow the rules. We did it all and he still got it.
People have to understand that these numbers that you see are people’s loved ones and families who most have died alone scared and beyond worried.
COVID IS REAL! Please do your part to protect yourselves and others. The numbers are just numbers and take them for what you will. I don’t see numbers I see people’s loved ones. Remember that!

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

Sorry Michelle.

Thank you for contributing to our understanding more of the story.

It’s important to hear from those most affected. Best wishes to your family’s healing.

thetallone
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thetallone
3 years ago
Reply to  Michelle

Sorry for your loss, Michelle. Thank you for speaking up.

Swine
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Swine
3 years ago
Reply to  thetallone

You’re lying
No one is with anyone who dies of or with covidnin the hospitals. Try again fear monger

Michelle
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Michelle
3 years ago
Reply to  Swine

No in fact this is true. It isn’t about being a fear monger, it’s a simple fact that he died from COVID. His sons were with him right outside his door and yes there was a nurse in the room with him in protective gear. I am sorry you feel the way you do about this virus but these people who have died are people’s family and loved ones. Please don’t discount our experience because your beliefs don’t line up with your supposed facts. It would sure change your mind if it was your parent that was killed from this virus or potentially you God forbid.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago

I’m sure there are many of these stories, untold:

My Son Took His Own Life. It Was the Lockdown That Got Him | Opinion

https://www.newsweek.com/my-son-took-his-own-life-it-was-lockdown-that-got-him-opinion-1567246?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

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My elder son, Matthew, was 24 years old when he died. In June 2020, he moved to Birmingham, Alabama to embark upon a new career, a career for which he’d spent a year training in Greenville, South Carolina. In South Carolina, he had had a roommate. He’d worked with a team. He made friends. He fell in love. My gregarious son had a bright future ahead of him.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

It must be hard not understanding why things have changed.

A father who tells his son “masks are not necessary” or “masks are
primary vectors of spread” is suicidally confusing to a young one living through a pandemic where infact everything they get from their parents is FALSE.

It was likely dads ‘politics’ that killed that boy.

lauracooskey
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lauracooskey
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

That “boy”? Did i read it right… didn’t it say the “boy” was 24 years old?
The lockdown didn’t kill him; his parents didn’t kill him.

The MAN killed himself.
You can’t do anything nowadays without people politicizing it or looking anywhere but to the responsible party’s part in it.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

An army boy under pressure from dad is relocated to a new town and doesn’t know anyone.

His parents tell him Democrats are bringing communism to America through masks.

His parents are sure Trump won.

The election was stolen.

Masks are not necessary.

The mom uses her son’s death to make a point of “draconian” measures in place.

Fuck those parents.

The US has NO measures in place compared to anyone but Brazil, get fucking real.

The mom makes it seem like he couldn’t leave his apt. What a crock of shit.

The boy was confused.

His parents killed him.

The suicide letter didn’t mention lockdowns.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

So easy easy to ridicule and dismiss others pain caused by bad policies when those policies are in line with your political convictions. It’s pretty sad that having a “side” has eliminated all capacity for empathy for someone who doesn’t believe the same as you.

Another response could have easily been: “This is a really sad situation and with the government pouring so much money into issues around the pandemic perhaps they can funnel some of those funds into some sort of outreach program or add funds to programs that already do that.”

Instead it is: “Fuck those parents.”

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Yes, it is “fuck those parents” on this occasion.

It’s not like I haven’t been sympathetic to Covid side effects.

There is no evidence that this boy killed himself from “lockdowns” (a broad and overused term, with little substance in the US).

Every suicide is terrible.

Worse, is the parents who use it to make unsubstantiated political points that they hold – and not a view of their dead child.

The mom using language like “draconian lockdown” is a red flag.

And of course, it’s no surprise you brought the article to attention.

(You too recently used your kid to make a point, a wrong one to boot)

The “data” guy who used to decry the early anecdotal stories I posted about Covid deniars regretting their positions as they died from Covid.

There are many reasons why the boy might have killed himself, and most likely it’s not ONE reason.

For the mom to try to make it something it is not obviously, and regarding the nature of her position, I say “fuck her.”

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

“So easy easy to ridicule and dismiss others pain caused by bad policies when those policies are in line with your political convictions.”
Kinda like what you do by trying to minimize the effects of Covid every single day?
As far as I can tell, the only restrictions in Alabama are masking and social distencing requirements. Schools, churches, theaters, ect. are open.
https://governor.alabama.gov/newsroom/covid-19/

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

This is an effect of “covid”…

And an illustration of a much underreported effect.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Political Ponerology at it’s finest.

Mike
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Mike
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Yup. Let the healing begin.

Specialist
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Specialist
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Good words Ullr Rover. Thank you.

TLC
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TLC
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Rover you made a really good point its like a game of who suffering more and who’s suffering I don’t relate too. I don’t think we are covid deniers just covid realists. It’s sad for everyone.

Really?
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Really?
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I read the article in the link and it doesn’t fit your narrative. At all. You must have dug deeper into that story. Care to share your sources please?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Really?

Read the article as many times as it takes.

And tell me what evidence there is that the kid killed himself from “draconian lockdowns”.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
Reply to  Really?

Two of the articles linked in the story:

The ‘loneliest generation’ gets lonelier: How millennials are dealing with the anxieties of isolation and the uncertainties of life after quarantine

https://www.businessinsider.com/millennial-mental-health-coronavirus-pandemic-quarantine-2020-5

Forty percent of American adults are struggling with mental health issues or substance abuse, according to the U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s most recent Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. Of particular concern is the percentage of young adults having suicidal thoughts.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/mental-health-statistics-covid-19-generation-z-millennials-suicide-substance-abuse/

The callousness illustrated by some on this topic is as ugly of a display of humanity I’ve seen on Kym’s site. Self-righteousness seems to trump a moral compass.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Woops!

Many of us did mind, actually.

A particular group did not.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Maybe it’s too much time on the internet…

Us (us, us, us, us) and them (them, them, them, them)
And after all we’re only ordinary men
Me
And you (you, you, you)
God only knows
It’s not what we would choose (choose, choose) to do (to do, to do)
Forward he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
And the general sat
And the lines on the map
Moved from side to side
Black (black, black, black)
And blue (blue, blue)
And who knows which is which and who is who
Up (up, up, up, up)
And down (down, down, down, down)
And in the end it’s only round ‘n round (round, round, round)
Haven’t you heard it’s a battle of words
The poster bearer cried
“Listen son”, said the man with the gun
There’s room for you inside

“I mean, they’re not gonna kill ya
So if you give ’em a quick short, sharp, shock
They won’t do it again. Dig it?
I mean he get off lightly, ’cause I would’ve given him a thrashing
I only hit him once! It was only a difference of opinion, but really
I mean good manners don’t cost nothing do they, eh?”

Down (down, down, down, down)
And out (out, out, out, out)
It can’t be helped that there’s a lot of it about
With (with, with, with), without
And who’ll deny it’s what the fighting’s all about?
Out of the way
It’s a busy day
I’ve got things on my mind
For the want of the price
Of tea and a slice
The old man died

Songwriters: Richard William Wright / George Roger Waters

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I’ve always assumed that between any two people there is common ground. Lately, it seems that the only thing people have in common is dehumanizing those they don’t agree with… and the only gain seems to be smug self-righteousness.

I think this is more dangerous than the current pandemic.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

👍

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

There is a saddening lack of compassion in many things. But what you mean is that you object to anyone not expressing personal emotion in sympathy to your own emotion. Compassion pulls up pretty sharply at any criticism. It gets personal fast. I just find it hard to believe that compassion is only for purposes of agreement.

As a prime “cullee” prospect, I do not wish to get covid. It is ugly. I do recognize that I need some consideration on a personal level. But damned if I want your “compassion.” I prefer the word “respect.” I do not need your patronage. I also do not want government to be such be made such a tool of the fearful or the angry that screws people out their livelihoods nor put such emotional baggage on children and families that they will forever be scarred by it. Or damages the national psyche any more than it has been. That is compassion too. And it is sadly lacking too.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Nice, Guest. 🤙

A deep state sandwich
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A deep state sandwich
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Dude,…

I think I get it now,

The people who can put words together with love , compassion /respect, and a whole Lotta higher vision, have a real hard time reaching through to people who are 2D in their ability to use any perspective or critical thinking into the dialogue.

Appreciate your words.

They cannot be met with lower resonating response, just obfuscation.

I love how the bar is getting raised by the silent majority.

Peace.

A deep state sandwich
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A deep state sandwich
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

There are some hard truths that are inherent in engaging in the full contact sport of life.

There are many people who feel abortion is murder, yet so many people forget that taking a life, is taking a life.

Just recognize the perspective of people who see the wisdom of taking responsibility for YOUR ACTIONS throughout life.

No one lives forever, and making the statement that people who are born have any guarantees, is a naive and sheltered perspective.

Shy and timid people do not change history.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

It is true that lockdwns put a strain on many people. Sometimes too much strain. But comparing those deaths to covid-19 deaths is a losing game. If you say that people who died of covid would have died from something else anyway to dismiss covid, then equally people could have killed themselves over some other stress too.

I understand resentment over lockdowns and mandates but there is no need to dismiss covid unrealistically to object to them. Many are facets of political responses to the virus are irrational, political and predicated on personal senses of entitlement. Those who look to the government for their livelihood are dismissive over the losses these kinds of regulations cause others. Just not themselves.

It’s a bad infection to get. Maybe not Black Death bad but bad enough. It deserves serious consideration. Just as lock downs are bad and deserve serious consideration too. It is just that on this comment site, it is always all one way or the other in order rain abuse those with different opinions. Too bad such unfunctionality is the choice of so many.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

It’s not a zero sum scenario. Protecting one group of people doesn’t need to kill the other.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

It shouldn’t be but when people don’t admit that something to cure a problem also effects things not related to the problem, then that is what happens. Someday I will mention my theory about swearing and the effect it has on society. But only if national emotionalism is not so raw.

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

ULLR- Yep two things can be true at the same time.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
Reply to  Willow Creeker

I agree. It seems to be a difficult thing for folks to comprehend.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Willow Creeker

Except there is no “lockdown” in Alabama. It had been over for months by the time he moved there.
https://governor.alabama.gov/newsroom/covid-19/

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist
Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

No, I’m not. Its the governer’s official website and nothing that Wikipedia article contradicts it. Do you have a specific complaint or are you just bullshitting as per usual?

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Do you want to persuade? Do you want to inform? Because if you really want to do that, you would not ask a pejorative question then go straight to premptive insult just in case the person might take it seriously. As it is, all you say seems to have the intent of provoking conflict within the safety of the internet for personal reasons.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Your compassion for lazy, lying agents of disinformation is noted.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

…and there it is.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Didja find that secret evidence that Alabama is still in lockdown yet?

A deep state sandwich
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A deep state sandwich
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

And again, and again, that blunt force drama reminds me of my ex…now she get to make someone else miserable. …

Happy Valentine’s G…

We all need a hug and tickle from time to time.

Gucci,Gucci, goo. …

Hang together, hang apart, there’s always room on our life raft for a good human.

Cmon aboard, all it takes is to reset your compass from your desire to be right at everyone else’s expense, to simply getting behind the bad news bears.

We will need all the humanity we can get.

A deep state sandwich
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A deep state sandwich
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

I do believe the basic premise was made quite clear, and the dialogue is moving in the right direction. Sometimes we all can get frustrated trying to stay composed in the arena of supporting our ideas, while being subjected to the external forces that don’t agree with our internal memory.

I’ll try to be more like 4T, and Ulr, and others who have much more patience than i.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago

My friend in Mendocino county ,73 years old , that has only one functioning lung due to smoking his whole life. Just beat stage four cancer and has had 2 strokes in the last 5 years. He got covid in December, was admitted to the hospital, we all figured he was a sure goner. Nope after 3 days in the hospital, he went home . He is back to his old limping on that one bum leg ,coughing with that one functioning tar filled lung self. No adverse affects from covid.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

You sure are full of fake numbers and unconfirmable anecdotes.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Just sharing a story about a friend that had the flu ,COVID-19 .

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

And I’m just sharing a story about a poster who keeps making stuff up. Mine comes with a citation.
https://kymkemp.com/2021/02/08/one-death-48-new-cases-reported-since-friday/#comment-1281174

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

I still can’t get past 37 million tests were given just in Cali, how many tests for the flu in California in 2018, maybe 1 percent of that, can’t imagine why case numbers could be so high. Especially with such lousy testing.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

Keep digging your hole.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

So he can be on your level? What, what, what do you get out such a steady stream of name calling?

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

He’s All hat, no cattle.

(Texas proverb)

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

He got caught making up statistics. Am I supposed to congradulate him?

When in Rome
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When in Rome
3 years ago

Michelle, my heart goes out to you and your family. Thank you for your reminder that every case is a person.

furies
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furies
3 years ago

This video from a funeral director in SoCal has been making the rounds~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdpSgEQKVNE

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Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  furies

First watch her video TED talk. Then watch the covid-19 video. She is not just a funeral director. She is social activist for a reformation of funeral processes in western culture. A blogger, author and YouTube celebrity. Her funeral home is prbably in the heart of the poorest, most effected covid communities of Low Angeles.

That said, it is a really is a realistic view of the illness although a very unrealistic view of government. As she puts it, it’s like being in a disaster (so many covid deaths), seeing a plane fly by and suddenly realizing you not going to be rescued. She grieves for the families, blames the government for not rising to the occasion to take care of the bodies (and health care for all) and wants people to call their government representative to kick people into action. And complains that government is expecting private enterprise to take care of it and take the stress off the poor people who can’t either find or afford commercial burial.

She’s a microcosm of American society. She complains and wants someone else (government) to fix it. But, for all her blythe assumption that all it would take was a million dollars and a person of action to organize it, she does not take it on herself either. As she says, everyone is pedaling as hard as they can and she can’t do any more. What she misses is that government is too. Pedaling as hard as they can. And it certainly would be far from as easy to do as she thinks. People complain, engage in fraud, refuse and demand. Object and sue. Do not cooperate. Blame and abuse in a situation where perfection is not an option. Ordering replacement toilet seats or filling potholes is hard for government, let alone arranging mass safe and respectful funerals for indigent families. Write press articles as exposes. Government is rarely a good choice for anything. It just exists because it is frequently the only choice.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

How in the fuck is a mortuary worker supposed to “do something about it” other than attempt to draw attention to the scale of the problem? The federal government has spent the last year doing next-to-nothing, not “peddling as hard as it can.” Government never works when its being run by anti-government activists.

Guest
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Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

That you and others think that way is a problem. As I said, complain, abuse and demand is not getting it done. But it has become the American Way. Someone, not the government, runs soup kitchens. Someone, not the government, organized fire companies. Someone, not the government, developed vaccines. It’s someone, not the government, at the animal shelter that created a fund for veternary care. The government only comes into play after someone shows them how to do it.

How she does it is by using her platform to get people who have organizing talent and knowledge ( like maybe a fraternal organization) to see there is a problem and take it on.

There was nothing stopping you from organizing a grass root movement to create a cooperative covid response locally if you felt the government wasn’t doing enough. Did you? I suspect you did not. And I suspect you won’t now. But surely you will complain.

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Some of us expect government to perform basic functions so we can go about our normal lives and not have to become ‘grassroots activists’.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Processing infected corpses and educating the public through well-produced video essays is not enough for you?

Guest
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3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

I don’t imagine you do that.. But I suppose you mean the YouTube mortician. No, she is most likely doing her best in the trenches. What I commented on was her unrealistic expectation that government can do what she wants to relieve the stress she is (and people she has compassion for are) under. I just pointed out that it was an unrealistic expectation that government could provide the well oiled, respectful, accurate and compassionate treatment she wants. Not in a decade much less now. In reality government makes unwieldy rules and processes, after much debate, has dozens of conflicting wants and demands directed at it making it impossible to be sensitive, flexible or caring. And it will not produce one more mortician or crematorium before the pandemic ending would make the attempt a waste. Just like Medicare-for-all won’t make one more doctor, hospital or ICU bed.

Not that they couldn’t be prepared for next time but they won’t. Other priorities move to the up near of the line. People engage in fantasies about miracles from God (or in this case Government) when they’ve desperate but object to the interference, effort, cost or details when they stop being desperate.

I’m sorry you find reality so distressing but there it is.

Juanita
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Juanita
3 years ago
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Our government is not “someone else”. Our government is us and we do want it fixed. We want UBI & MEDICARE4ALL. We want our representatives to represent us instead of the monied interests who currently control the direction our government goes.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
3 years ago
Reply to  Juanita

Unfortunately Medicare doesn’t cover as much as people think it does, unless you buy supplemental additional coverage.

Smallfry
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Smallfry
3 years ago
Reply to  Juanita

Word!

Guest
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Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Juanita

Basically if Government would remove the barriers for creating good doctors, not let lawyers profit from medical failures and actually take money away from grants for useless or even harmful college degrees to fund what the country actually needs more of, then a whole lot of medical care would become inexpensive enough not to need insurance much at all. Why, if government had not already stuck its oar so deeply in regulating medicine through Medicare and Medicaid, more people would still be practicing doctors.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Guest:

Complaining of problems is the problem

Me:

What are you doing about it?

Guest:

Complaining!

——–

If your theory is true, you could say not one more thing and everything will be fine.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I knew you lived in your head but I had no idea I lived there too.

I like stars
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I like stars
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

It must be tough to maintain social distancing with the large number of people who live there rent free. Have you seen that crazy AM radio host yet? He is a longtime resident.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

What a great way to dismiss critism without effort or logic!

Guest
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Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Yes. It is. Especially favored by those who object to it being dished out when they serve it so routinely themselves.

Willie Bray
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3 years ago

🕯🌳With all the variants showing up common sense should tell you that there’s no herd immunity to this virus kind of like the flu. 🖖🖖

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3 years ago
Reply to  Willie Bray

The flu is like covid is flexible. However, after each variation of either flu, and I expect for covid too, there is an increase in deaths but natural resistance built up in the survivors. Recent flus have not been so deadly because most people have had some exposure and their bodies are prepared to respond. But flu varieties on occasion are different enough or its been long enough for immunity to wane and there are mass casualities. This is not likely to be so different. It’s just early days yet.

TLC
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TLC
3 years ago
Reply to  Willie Bray

Yup people are tunnel visioned on the fact people die. Maybe we have more deaths this year. We can try to save them but reality is nature wins.

World population increases roughly 235k a day!!! That a big city. The Spanish flu, plauge, wars. Blessings and curses at the same time. Live life before it to late.

Fog Dog
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Fog Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  TLC

Except for literally every country in the world has done a better job of containing this pandemic, so there’s room for improvement. “Let people die ” as a policy is unacceptable.

Smallfry
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Smallfry
3 years ago

Probably somewhere between the COVID DENIERS and the COVID HYPERS.. lies the truth. It’s fairly ruthless debating COVID stats likes it’s some sort of statistical score board. It’s all a distant reality until your loved ones become another fading Statistic… from either a death, or economic downturns. Both have merits.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
3 years ago

We know one protestor was shot, three died of natural causes, but why can’t the public see the autopsy for the fallen Capitol policeman? Reports are coming out that blunt force trauma was not found so what was it? We deserve to know.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago

Negative.

The three did not die of natural causes.

At least one was trampled to death.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Good question mlr.

Where’s the transparency?

Willie Bray
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3 years ago

🕯🌳Well said Guests. 🖖🖖

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago

This is a very revealing little published paper which gets into the nuts and bolts of the “behind the scenes: covid” :

It also does a pretty good job of reporting on Fauci’s role in this mess (as promised) : “The Fauci/Covid-19 Dossier”. Again, highly recommended.

(it wasn’t in DC on the 6th so won’t be deleted?)

[Edit: Nope. The link has been deleted. People can search for it if they want to check it out. I don’t host links from the thoroughly discredited Plandemic guy]

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  4Trinity

I wanted to add, for those who love using the term “covid-denier”:

From reading the above as well as many other papers/reports/videos etc, I’ve come to lean towards the “lab leak” hypothesis.

Unintentional would be my guess. Gain of Function being the experiment carried out at the time of said leak.

Wuhan or Ft Detrick, my “where” best guess atm. Fauci and gates likely in the midst of this(w.h.o, jhu and cdc too)

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  4Trinity

You still have never explained your Fort Detrick theory. Every time I ask what you’re talking about, you get even more cryptic and vague than usual.

I like stars
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I like stars
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Ft Detrick is the center for the US biological weapons program (now renamed in a beautifully Orwellian way the biological defense program).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Detrick

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Fort Detrick exists. That doesn’t explain:
A) Why he thinks Covid originated there.
B) Why he thinks the military would design a virus he also thinks is harmless.

None of the disparate elements of 4trinities conspiracies ever make kuch sense when taken as a whole.

Guest
Guest
Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

Covid19 is EVALI.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

You can start with The Fauci/Covid-19 Dossier. Kym unfortunately doesn’t allow a link although I would have liked a discussion. Like: “How is he wrong”?

You can poke through these as well:

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/health/fort-detrick-lab-shut-down-after-failed-safety-inspection-all/article_767f3459-59c2-510f-9067-bb215db4396d.html

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4104828

This one has a funny little damage-control “editor’s note”.

https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/cdc-shuts-down-army-labs-disease-research-66235

http://en.people.cn/n3/2020/0223/c90000-9661026.html

Read a bit about Gain of Function experiments. The where’s, who’s, why’s. Lots of the same players, same places.

University of North Carolina pops up a lot too.

Again, a hypothesis as to the where.

(btw, I don’t remember ever suggesting it was “harmless” just like the flu is not harmless)

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

You could start with the paper I attempted to link to.

(apologies Kym, too many links before)

Or these:

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4104828

https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787

The latter has a funny little “editors note”. (damage control)

UNC is mentioned a lot too. Lots of the same players…..

Remember, just a hypothesis. Definitely open to change as to the “where”.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  4Trinity

“Editors’ note, March 2020: We are aware that this story is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus.”

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Like I stated: Damage control

“Nothing to see here folks”

Pops up a lot.

I’m guessing you didn’t read further did you? 🐏

Guest
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Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Do a little research Geist.

Let me see if I can paraphrase chronologically…

Ft Detrick lab got put on hold, and then shut down, due to multiple instances of sloppiness extraordinaire, “breaches of containment”, “decontamination issues”, “lack of current certification and proper training”, and, “problems with disposal of dangerous materials”,etc., as of June, 2019.
The problems date back to May 2018 when storms flooded and ruined a decades-old steam sterilization plant for treating wastewater from it’s labs. Then the new decontamination system used chemicals and new procedures.
Those procedures we’re not followed, mechanical problems arose, and leaks within the lab were found.

Additionally,
way back in 2009, research was suspended there because it was storing pathogens not listed in its database.

EVALI rears it’s ugly head, in April ’19. Emergency department visits rose sharply in June, ’19,
peaking in September, ’19.

2019 Military World Games Oct.18,2019-Oct.27, 2019.
Wuhan, China.

Outbreak in Wuhan, Dec., 2019.

EVALI mysteriously and suspiciously just “vaporizes”and drops off the Radar after peaking in Sept., 2019, hospitalizing 2711 with 60 deaths, (note the similarity wit the CFR),”slowly declining since”
and simultaneously “disappearing” with the “emergence” of the “first US case” of “Covid19″(EVALI’s new moniker).

“Covid19” identified as “present in the US in Dec., 2019, before even the first cases in Wuhan, China had been publicly identified.” ‘ Forbes, Editors Pick, Dec., 1, 2020’.

Remember, EVALI followed the problems at Ft. Detrick.

Covid19 and EVALI are likely the same,
the variants of SarsCov2 involved in the different outbreak locations may be different.

A rose is a rose.

It got pinned on China.

The trick from Ft. Detrick.

It also explains why we have proportionally much more of a problem than the rest of the world.

That’s because it’s been here way longer than anywhere else.

It’s where it started.

Nobody is going to admit that.

I realized long ago that if you want to identify the true culprit…
The oranges.., the…oranges…, the beginnings… Where it started?, how it started?, who started it?…

Just follow that blaming finger, that is pointing at someone else, 180 degrees, right back to the true source of the problem.

It’s called deflect and reframe.

It surely did not… orange… orangiate… oringinate in …
China!

If you look at…
The beginnings of…
EVALI (Covid19)

The… oranges…

The beginnings.

It all adds up.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

EVALI, the disease people get from black market vape pens?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaping-associated_pulmonary_injury
So you suspect Fort Detrick was the source of Covid because they disposed of waste illegally? They burned dangerous waste at Area 51, they burn dangerous waste every time they abandon a combat base. The military USUALLY disposes of dangerous waste illegally. This is just a list of things that happened with no causual link to each other.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Exactly Guest.

I think I forgot to mention the Military Games. Perfect vehicle really.

And those were in October?

You didn’t read a dang thing I linked to, did you Geist?

Or can’t find any flaws?

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
Reply to  4Trinity

The journal Nature article starts with the preface:
“Editors’ note, March 2020: We are aware that this story is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus.”
Almost like you DON’T READ YOUR OWN CITES.
The Fort Detrick theory directly contridicts the accidental release theory, and the “evidence” for either one is basically non-existant. You’ve presented two contridictory theories with nothing but vague, circumstancial “evidence”, and the Journal Nature article shits all over both of them

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

So you read the Editor’s note and nothing further?

That’s why it’s there. It’s called damage control. It fools the fool.

You might consider reading the article in it’s entirety and point out any flaws you find.

Nature didn’t shit on anything.

(“Do a little research Geist.” 😄)

onrust
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onrust
3 years ago

Kym – I believe that you have more assholes and idiots in your comments section than I have ever seen.

Guest
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Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  onrust

If you said “than I ever recognized”, that would be more accurate. For you have seen most of the people (or close enough to them that it doesn’t matter) here always.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
3 years ago

California government is sitting on a huge reserve of money from the last 2 stimulus packages.

Locally I would like to know….

How much has been spent on our schools….here in Northern Ca.
Or on mental health resources. People losing their homes and businesses need it. So do children that have been locked in their rooms for a year.
On masks and other covid stock piles.
Where will all the NEW homeless live?

At some point in time people are going to have to make up a year of unpaid rent and mortgage payments or become homeless, plus an influx from the border that will be looking for jobs and housing in industries that have been shut down and broken, what plans does Gavin have for that? Have you heard, I haven’t.
The tax base is leaving Ca. Such as big tech moving to Texas.

There is plenty more misery coming and yet the people concerned about it are ridiculed and accused of being deniers. Maybe they can just “walk and chew gum at the same time”.

4Trinity
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4Trinity
3 years ago

A very well done documentary detailing fauci’s, aka “the expert” last big rodeo. Many highly regarded scientists are interviewed. It very much relates to what is happening right now.

Highly recommended.

HIV=AIDS- Fauci’s First Fraud (youtube, 1.5 hours)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy3frBacd2k&feature=emb_logo

Guest
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Guest
3 years ago
Reply to  4Trinity

For anyone interested, here is a very old article on the FDA and government. And an example why the government should have a limited, but not absent, role in medicine. They act with legislation which is always behind technology by decades and only gets updated AFTER a problem. And too often let short sighted politics guide. Government is not first in anything. But carefully designed legislation can act a a control on runaway capitalism.

https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/histories-product-regulation/sulfanilamide-disaster