31 New Cases Reported Friday; Limited Stay at Home Order in Effect
Press release from Humboldt County COVID19 – Joint Information Center:
Thirty-one additional cases of COVID-19 were reported today, bringing to 850 the total number of county residents who have tested positive for the virus.
The state’s Limited Stay at Home Order is now in effect. To read the full text of the order, visit https://tinyurl.com/limitedstayathomeorder. [Excerpt: “Nothing in this order prevents any number of persons from the same household from leaving their residence, lodging, or temporary accommodation, as long as they do not engage in any interaction with (or otherwise gather with) any number of persons from any other household, except as specifically permitted herein.”]
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Cdc states that infections could be 8 times higher than actually counted due to asymptomatic reactions and mild cases in individuals who don’t bother to get tested . That brings us to about 100 million infections or 1 in every 3.5 Americans infected. You don’t have to be a math genius to figure out the Infection Fatality Rate. It’s very very very low.
https://apple.news/An3hSwVsHQOCurcTAf_VlAQ
As we know it’s not about our health it’s about remaking America and gaining government dominance over the means of production.
The Health Industrial Complex will welcome in the Green Deal that would not otherwise occur.
Never mind the 100s of 1000s that have already died and more that will die.
It’s a plot!!!!!!
That’s a small price to pay for the subverting of the most powerful country and biggest economy in the world. Not that they care about the peasant class anyways…
Let me put it this way. Covid can be real AND be used as a method to gain political and financial control of our country. They are not mutually exclusive. Remember 9/11? Because this is exactly the same, just exchange the word virus for terrorists. This is still warfare albeit a different “enemy.”
Yes. The majority being over 75 with other major health issues, the CDC also says that out of all of the cases that only 6 percent have died from covid alone.
For example High blood pressure was a primary or contributing cause of death for more than 494,873 people in the United States in 2018.
1355 people died everyday . If that was in the news cycle everyday what would your reaction be ?
High blood pressure isn’t contagious, therefore there are no requirements for masks or quarantines.
There are, however, national campaigns that illustrate the risk of high sodium intake and high blood pressure.
But the argument works both ways. If they hadn’t had COVID, those folks would not have died from their high blood pressure now, maybe not for years, or decades. Most high blood pressure can be treated successfully with lifestyle changes, medication, relaxation techniques, and combinations thereof. High blood pressure, diabetes, and other common risk-factor conditions are not a death sentence, and certainly not an immediate one. You will probably have one of these condtions yourself one of these days.
Shh !! The deniers don’t want to hear this. Everything must be black and white, no shades of gray allowed.
my moms 75 years old ,go kick rocks.
The “6 percent” bullshit has been debunked repeatedly, including at least a half dozen times in these comments. It’s been done often enough that I’m not going to bother doing it again.
Seriously, how has it been debunked. The CDC made the report themselves and stated the info on their website. I’m guessing you believe everything media tells you.
Hey everyone, this person is named “Informed” so they must have a lot of knowledge we don’t. This is a person who you can be sure has “done their own research.” We can all go home now.
Informed,
thanks, good point.
I’m sick of this having to be debunked over and over as well.
So what? Less than 1% of HIV+ people in America die from AIDS, are you gonna go start sharing needles and having unprotected sex with strangers?
Most of these folks smoke their meth so they don’t worry about needles. And two meth addled cousins banging each other probably aren’t worried about wearing the rubber.
They would have died of another flu strain or some other cause from underlying conditions anyway. The death rate is no greater than any other strain.
This is all a hoax. Here is Johns Hopkins University in its own words:
https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
Removed from their website but archived. The truth shall set you free ….
Government agents under your bed! Liberal’s trying to take your freedom! (even though its totally worthless to them). Everything except Rush Limbaugh’s rants are a hoax!
Trump actually won!
Democrats eat children!
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Don’t confuse Green New Deals. The Democratic version has much to do with political patronage, carbon taxes that go to the U.S. Treasury, reindustrialization for bankster profits, and giving more corporate control over our democratically elected representative Republic.
By contrast the original Green New Deal by the Green Party called for energy-carbon fee and monthly dividend where you have monthly control over funds coming back to you.
🕯🌳Your saying the CDC said this? What does the California Department of Corrections have to do with this?🤔🤔
They supposedly ” rehabilitate” people now, so there’s an R at the end now
I’m wondering if all of most of the cases in Arcata are related to HSU? The president hasn’t been exactly forthcoming / cooperative with public health this whole time
Me; It’s not just the fatality rate with covid. Many, many patients are left with permanent lung damage even to the point of needing double lung transplants, others left with strokes, circulatory damage., blood clots, and other permanent conditions from this virus, many times more than from a regular flu or related illness. People should stop mentioning the fatality rate over and over without researching the entire range of damage pisdible from this virus..
When you get intubated you get pretty compromised. First, you are heavily sedated and then a mechanical device does your breathing mostly for you. You don’t get all your muscles working normally nor circulation.
Read the Research Article, Hyperbaric oxygen therapy for Covid-19 patients with respiratory distress..
Underseas Hyperbaric Medicine, Vol 47 No. 3
Pages 405-413. Why use worse therapies?
Cui Bono? GM and Ford alone probably make more profit from making mechanical ventilators than cars and SUV’s and trucks.
https://www.aier.org/article/an-education-in-viruses-and-public-health-from-michael-yeadon-former-vp-of-pfizer/
Nevertheless:
But the designation “carries the force of law from the State of California,”
Me,
thanks. Well said.
But feel free to go associate with thousands at Costco, Target, & Walmart.
25% capacity like all other retail, with masks and social distancing. No sustained interaction with others.
Riiiiiight. That’s why Winco was packed to the rafters Wednesday. And I guess the bums wandering around with no masks don’t count because social justice. But I’m sure lockdowns and masks will save the rest of us from a virus that’s over 99% survivable for the VAST majority of the population.
That’s a small price to pay for the subverting of the most powerful country and biggest economy in the world. Not that they care about the peasant class anyways…
Let me put it this way. Covid can be real AND be used as a method to gain political and financial control of our country. They are not mutually exclusive. Remember 9/11? Because this is exactly the same, just exchange the word virus for terrorists. This is still warfare albeit a different “enemy.”
I am baffled that you think this country has NOT been controlled by the industrial/commercial/military cabal for the last 50 years (or maybe 75 years). What is left to take over? What little shred of autonomy are you afraid of losing?
The financial sector. Means of production in private industry. Personal freedoms and privacy. Private ownership of land. That’s just a couple. I know you don’t care. It’s spelled out in your name.
Isn’t the BidenVax out next week? Two shots, two sore arms, and immune for life! Thanks Uncle Joe!
Trump is the president, it is the vaccine of the pharmasutical people, those who brought this about. Trump pushed them to make it, pushed to finance it. All scientists and doctors call it the Trump vaccine, say without him, we may not have it yet. And thanks to people like Sidney Powell, he will probably be president again, Joe’s campaign is rampantly corrupt, as is the democrat party. Trump met with scientists and doctors almost every day, met all their needs. Trump cares for all of us, the working party. Biden only cares about himself, and the wants of his corporate masters. He has sold his soul to satan.
Sidney Powell 😂. Even she was too crazy for Trump, he fired her. Three PA republican judges just threw out Trumps latest joke of a lawsuit Friday. It’s over Trump LOST. But go ahead and believe that Powell is going to release the “kraken”.
This. She spouted off every conspiracy theory in one fell swoop. I was surprised she didn’t throw aliens into the mix.
She retweets QAnon for cripes sake.
But I think she got fired, not because of the crazy, but because she drug republicans into the “conspiracy”….it was okay to spout off all the classics against the Libs, but when she attacked Georgia REPUBLICAN Governor Kemp as being “in on it” she had to go.
Russia was first with a vaccine. China also has a vaccine. Several vaccines were developed in Europe, including Astra-Zenica, and are not in pre-release testing. Trump did not develop a vacccine. Medical researchers all across the planet have developed many vaccines that are currently undergoing testing. Trump’s pathetic mismanagement allowed it to spread resulting in the US being the world’s leader in infections and deaths. It’s great that Trump will be booted out of the White House Jan 20.
Like many liberals who never think about who is going to pay for it and how regulations make doing anything almost impossible (ie magical thinking), you never notice that, under ordinary conditions, vaccines take decades to prove themselves to regulators as safe and effective. Of course authoritain governments like Russia and China can and do ignore their own rules at will. They do not allow criticism, care much if their own people are harmed in testing and supress any bothersome inconvenient data. If you trust this proceedure, I’m sure both Russia and China will happily make much propaganda if you ask them nicely for their vaccine. It is an effective as to succeed- try a thousand formulas, bury the results of the mistakes. Certain one all be passable. Certainly their manufacturers don’t worry about getting sued. Maybe about being killed though, which leads to falsifying data but what the hey- it works in the end. For most.
Now to do that in a world that holds its leaders accountable for such “errors” and has a court system to look at it with a microscope? And offer the results to the whole world in the process? That takes effort.
“No doubt, Operation Warp Speed is a huge success,” said Tinglong Dai, associate professor of Operations Management and Business Analytics at Johns Hopkins University Carey Business School in Baltimore.
You can like or hate the Trump administration, but no doubt, it’s a huge success — unprecedented success.”” https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/operation-warp-speed-trump-pfizer-moderna-vaccine-1.5806820
Stuber, you remind me of a show that we used to watch called ‘ The Twilight Zone’, where we were presented with alternate universe’s in which people lived. I could go point by point through your statement, but in the Twilight Zone it will just
Not be believed.
I’ve been reading for a while and I think Stuber is just trolling the trump supporters here. I’m not sure but I think that account is meant to be parody. But sometimes leftists will pose as a trump supporter and embellish how stupid they are to make them look even worse. Stuber is either doing satire that doesn’t quite land or a leftist doing “espionage.” Definitely not posting sincerely.
You are wrong. I know Stuber. He is a very sincere and kind man. Though his politics and mine differ extensively.
Don’t have anything real to offer? Then proceed with complaint.
Guest,
nice comment.
STUBER-i TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. KEEP UP THE GOOD REASONING AND POSTINGS
Kym, CVS pharmacy in Mckinleyville is closed until further notice. Not sure why.
CVS in Mckinleyville recently started doing covid tests. Maybe they are trying to restructure the way the do them for less cross contamination?
I just saw this. I’ll try to find out tomorrow.
Someone there tested positive for Covid-19. Fact! I know someone who works there
Kym??? Why isnt this being reported? They were open again today!
There are only rumors not any actual proof.
Kym, called the store myself. About an our ago. A girl named Sara answered the phone. I told her that our one year old daughter has a fever, and we wanted to come buy some children’s ibuprofen. But we were worried, because we heard that someone from their store tested positive for Covid. She confirmed that someone in the pharmacy was tested positive for Covid. No joke. I have too much respect for you, and what you do, to lie to you!! Dont believe me? Call the store and ask for Sara! This should be reported!
Joe, I called after I read this but I was too late, the pharmacy was closed. I also called yesterday and the store was closed.
Kym,
These are NOT rumors but thanks. My cousin works there. She told me one of the Pharmacist tested positive. All the rest of pharmacy staff had to be tested. They deep cleaned store overnight. She also said pharmacy staff is still working until their results are in because they’re considered “essential workers”
“All people die”. Why worry? It’s ‘natural’. “It only kills old people”, I said to my grandma the other day. ‘It’s a Democratic hoax!” said our fearless leader. We are hitting a death toll of two 9/11’s every three days, of largely preventable death’s, while are leadership has gone golfing. Collective action is not socialism, it’s patriotism.
Scientists said back in March that two million would be dead by now so Trump saved 1.7 million American lives by my math. Either that or covid scientists are full of shit. Remember the “don’t wear a mask, they do no good” advice from Fauci?
That’s nonsense. A single scientist in the UK modeled the number of expected mortalities in the US –IF– no one changed anything at all about their behavior (i.e. no masks, no social distancing, no hand washing, no lockdowns) and based on the very early Case Fatality Rates before anyone had developed effective treatments.
Continuing to throw this number around and blaming all scientists for what even the author at the time said was unrealistic is a sign of willful ignorance.
Don’t ruin his narrative with facts! Or at least make it into a meme so he can understand it.
Scientists threw the number around for months, oh that’s right, we are one sided tunnel vision. 2 million was just a safe guess, it causes severe panic among millions but oh well. Shows you how well science works with zero data.
Scientists weren’t throwing the number around, the media was. The paper was criticized by a variety of scientists at the time for being unrealistic. It was simply an early exercise in disease transmission modeling to compare how easily it would spread with other viruses.
So the media is to blame, ok Mr Trump.
The media aren’t scientists. They often lack context when reporting science material and their reports are often far too short to provide adequate context for people who aren’t trained in a particular field.
It’s not blaming the media, it’s simply acknowledging a weakness in the model. Kind of like when someone says you don’t know what you don’t know. The whole point of science is to explore what you don’t know and then trying to figure it out. That was the purpose of the original paper that has since become a right-wing talking point about liberal exaggeration and used as an excuse to ignore everything scientists are saying about this COVID-19 virus.
It just sounds like the paper started a panic. Usually the answer is simple, right wing ,left wing , conspiracy, no conspiracy, all ways to side step the truth. Bottom line , bad science cause unnecessary panic ,end of story.
And yet, once again, hundreds of thousands of Americans are dead because of Covid.
The last official toll this morning that I saw was over 265,000. We are way beyond the “it’s no worse than the flu” BS.
More people are hospitalized than ever before in entire pandemic, and more than two thousand a day are dying right now.
And that is with some parts of the US trying to tamp it down, while others are doing the “what me worry?…it’s just old people…my freedom!!!!”.
Who said anything about old people or freedom. I just said the original estimate released by bad science caused panic.
You mean the state governors and local public health officers saved 1.7m people.
The Covidiots claim they are “saving” our “rights” and America.
You’d think saving America would require saving actual Americans (the people who live in America). Apparently not. Those people were going to die anyway, we’re told.
But dont forget it’s the people wearing masks and who believe in science who are the Nazis, and NOT the people suggesting that people over 60 are useless and can therefore be allowed to die.
Thank You. So true.
This part is true: But dont forget it’s the people wearing masks and who believe in science who are the Nazis
Trump fans constantly blather about freedom and rights, while utterly failing to support freedoms or rights. No freedom of speech, no freedom of the press, no freedom of religion, no due process, no right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness, no right to do what you want with your own body, no right to love whomever you please, no right to have a lawn more than 3.5″ tall or to paint your house an unapproved shade of grey, not even lip service to all men being created equal,…
That is your spin. Very biased, mean spirited blather indeed. It’s liking watching a clique of superficial adolescents attack . Truth is not the issue, nor reason but picking a target to relentlessly harass with rumors, innuendo and spite so that they, who have no real commonality or advantage, have that one thing that unites them. Without Trumpers to dump on, liberals will turn on each other like the Bolsheviks attacked the Anarchists. Haters require someone to hate. You can’t help it.
If you value truth and reason, you would understand one of the many reasons people do not like trump.
Why is anyone whonthinks differentl6 immediately put in a politcal camp. You people are all so brainwashed.
If you valued truth and reason, you could see that liking or disliking Trump is not what defines either of those things.
Yep. Gonna grab the corn pop and watch the dog-faced pony soldiers eat each other alive. C’mon man!
To a lot of people “freedom” is nothing more than a euphemism for individual greed and selfishness.
Since patriotism and community have been pretty much trashed in the last few years by the same people now wanting community, stopping the hate filled rhetoric might be a good place to start.
Oh, please.
You are concern-trolling about toxic politics and “hate-filled rhetoric” because you can’t actually defend your man’s politicization of science, entirely for his own political ends, which brought about enormous suffering, a significant amount of which was avoidable.
Trump supporters are simply unwilling to realize how many potential Republicans, how many moderates, have fled the party out of disgust with Trump and his callous indifference to people suffering in this country, most of all because of the utter incompetence and indifference his response displayed. These people are patriots, I assure you, who put country (and principle) over party. They aren’t leftists and, in fact, weren’t even democrats before Donald Trump appeared.
No, a good place to start is Trump supporters not simply reaffirming their loyalty to Trump and Trumpism and instead acknowledging the damage he’s caused. And not defending the first president who tried to get legitimate votes by American citizens disqualified so that he could cling to power and overturn a completely legitimate election defeat.
There are a lot of people, including myself, that would be willing to make peace with Trump supporters if they put their moral conscience and love of country ahead of Trump. And didn’t dig their heels in and pretend everyone else is the problem.
Make peace? You are at war with people that like Trump? You are the problem , you are making this country like ever other. The funniest part of that statement is, we haven’t even come close to picking the right person to run for president, oh wait, do the people really get a choice, or just get a choice of a few a party picks?
I’m at war with people who believe in lies, religious whackjobbery, hate and discrimination, putting oneself before the rest of the community, misinformation, anti-science, illogic and irrationality, alternative “facts”, fake media, putting random youtubers and twitterers ahead of established scientific institutions with actual knowledge of topics, non-factual data, selective application of rights and freedoms to only topics they like, hurting others for one’s own benefit, putting profit ahead of others’ lives and wellbeing, manipulation instead of discussion, untruths, willful misapplication of statistics, outright bullshit, short-term benefits over long-term planning, environmental destruction, and so forth, and, by extension, trump supporters. If people want to like a specific president, without exhibiting every single one of those at the same time, I might dislike them less… Except they probably wouldn’t like trump in that case. The trump party is the anti-reality party.
Sounds like your pretty upset for 7am. Perhaps you should cut down on your caffeine intake? Maybe try some chamomile tea? You could always try putting a couple drops of lavender oil in a steam diffuser. Breathe bushy. Breathe…
Perfectly stated.
Thanks, bro.
I just try to help the people around me, I find that more fulfilling than being at war with everyone, peace out. Hate is a silent killer.
Hate in this case is nothing but personal spite.
Well…. we are at war with you too. Better start rethinking where you stand on the 2nd Amendment. FAFO libs! A dark winter is coming where we will oppose every last communist ideology you stand for! It’s going to be a dark winter indeed! You ready for it?
Damn, there is something persistent about folks determined not to get free health care.
Yeah. They don’t want to pay for other people’s healthcare. *It isn’t free/There’s no such thing as a free lunch.* Did they skip over that in school these days?
I’m happy to help pay for other people’s health care. It works great in the rest of the western world. And my husband and I have good insurance. I tend to chip in to all the GoFundMe’s I can afford because I want the little kid with cancer, the man with MS, the woman hurt in the car accident to get better and live long productive lives. We all benefit from a society without impacted ER’s and people who lose their homes to pay for medical bills.
That’s good for you, but what about those that can’t afford your collective benefits? Who’s going to pay those people’s share? Are you going to ask others to pay for those who can’t afford your tax increases? Remember, additional costs are always externalized.
Health care is a fixed expense unlike food and clothing. There is generally no such thing as shopping around for a cheap heart surgeon. So basically the poorer you are, the more of your income you have to pay to afford healthcare. The janitor pays roughly the same as the CEO.
Health insurance and health care most impact the working and middle class. The poor have some government coverage, the rich aren’t as impacted by the costs. Other countries–Canada, Sweden, Denmark, etc–understand that they need to support the working and middle classes.
“Take…the case of a secretary earning $50,000 in wage and currently contributing $15,000 through her employer to an insurance company. With universal health insurance, her wage would rise to $65,000 – her full labor compensation. With an income tax of 6% – which, if applied to a base large enough, would be enough to fund universal health insurance – she would have to pay about $4,000 more in tax. But the net gain would be enormous: $11,000. Instead of taking home $50,000, the secretary would take home $61,000.” https://pnhp.org/news/make-no-mistake-medicare-for-all-would-cut-taxes-for-most-americans/
Gofundmes seem to be working great ,why bring government in on the scene?
About 90% of GoFundMe medical campaigns fall short of what was asked for. https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/90-of-gofundme-campaigns-for-medical-expenses-failed-achieve-financial-target-study-finds.html
Two thirds of bankruptcies are medically based. “A new study from academic researchers found that 66.5 percent of all bankruptcies were tied to medical issues —either because of high costs for care or time out of work.” https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/this-is-the-real-reason-most-americans-file-for-bankruptcy.html#:~:text=A%20new%20study%20from%20academic,and%20bills%2C%20the%20research%20found.
How is healthcare a fixed cost? Do most people have scheduled heart attacks or broken bones? I think you’re talking about a flat tax. Right?
People with chronic illnesses will never contribute their fair share. Unless you think they should pay more? Which I would agree with.
I don’t think you understand what you’re promoting.
I don’t think you understand what the lack of healthcare is doing to Americans–economically, socially, and, of course, medically.
We’re going to be left behind other countries as their citizens have better health care than ours. The U.N. identifies health as a human right and every other industrialized nation and many non-industrialized nations have universal health care systems.
You do realize that people with socialized medicine (Canada and the U.K.) still have medical procedures done in the USA? Why would they do that if their health care is so great? Maybe because waiting 6 months to a year for simple surgeries is too long when you’re in pain.
Have you ever talked to veterans about how awesome VA services are(/s)? Government services of any kind are slow and offer substandard service. A great example in my experience is the DMV. I choose to avoid that institution whenever I can and do simple tasks through AAA in a fraction of the time and with better service. There are some things best left to the private sector. I think your goals would better be accomplished through the reform of HMOs and medical insurance.
“You do realize that people” in the US purchase large amount of prescription drugs in Canada and the reverse is rare?
In any case, the rate of medical tourism from Canada to the US is “barely detectable relative to the use of care by Canadians at home” and that the results “do not support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek care extensively in the United States.” https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.21.3.19
The bulk of Canadians are happy with their healthcare system. https://www.tricitynews.com/covid-19-crisis-has-failed-to-erode-faith-in-canadian-health-care-1.24186932
Yes, the VA is a problem. I found the DMV fairly reasonable but I use Garberville’s generally. But the solution isn’t to not have a DMV and the solution isn’t to not have universal healthcare. The solution is to get better at delivering the product.
Why does health care need to be free? My parents raised me to have a sense of pride and work for everything.
I think your addressing another problem Kym, people go bankrupt after an injury because when they apply for disability for the rest of their life at age 35 they can’t have any assets. Which works pretty good when your working in a cash black market. I see it all the time, 80 percent of those bankruptcies are people playi g the system.
My current thinking of the 2nd amendment is it’s an important part of the constitution, and am hoping that we don’t have to put to test the theory that it protects against tyranny, and use it to get trump out of the white house. I don’t plan on rethinking that.
He already stated he would leave without incident. You’re drinking that MSM koolaid again.
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480,000 people in America die directly from smoking. What does the government do tax it and make money off it….. They don’t tell us stay home and no smoking…
They’ve been telling you not to smoke for 50 years. If you haven’t listened that’s on you.
They do tell you not to smoke in public, to prevent harm to others. Kinda like how they tell you not to spread diseases in public too.
🕯🌳Its like vaping, don’t vape within 30feet of store front but people still stand right outside and do it. 🖖🖖
You haven’t seen the TV ads with the lady dying from cancer, sat through junior high and high school health classes where they urge people not to smoke, or read the surgeon general’s warnings on the freaking package?
136000 people in Humboldt, 43000 have been tested. That kind of seems crazy , so 43700 people in Humboldt thought they had covid to the point they got tested but only 800 were positive. Sounds like almost 43000 people in Humboldt are in panic mode.
43,000 tests have been given, not 43,000 people tested. Some people get them multiple times. I don’t know, but i imagine if you get one, you might be the type to keep checking… or your job might require it. We don’t know how many people have been tested. That would be a more relevant number– positives per people tested– than positives per number of tests.
Yeah, I’ve heard that some workplaces, like nursing homes, are doing repeat testing, often weekly, to try to stop outbreaks before they spread too much. It would be nice if the health department released stats on this, but they’re exceptionally bad at releasing information of any kind. They also test homeless people being seen at the ER, and some of them are in there just about every week too. And some people are probably paranoid, often justifiably so (like taking care of an elderly, disabled relative who lives in the same house), and probably getting themselves tested often. It wouldn’t surprise me if 5% of people are 95% of the tests.
I’ve been tested four times since March, all negative
I have family members in healthcare who have to get tested once a week.
the OptumServe site at Redwood Acres is only testing people without symptoms who just want to rule it out, need it for work, before visiting family, or because they may have been exposed to a sick person, etc. plus as others pointed out it doesn’t count repeat tests.
That would be panic produced by the mainstream media.
“Not Only Has COVID-19 Had No Effect On The Percentage Of Deaths Of Older People, But It Has Also Not Increased The Total Number Of Deaths.”
the following is a snippet from John’s Hopkins Newsletter 11/26/20
After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September, which includes the period from before COVID-19 was detected in the U.S. to after infection rates soared.
Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.
“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger individuals,” Briand said.
Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths.
These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.
https://web.archive.org/web/20201126163323/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
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“Firstly, the numbers listed from 2015 through 2018 are official, having been released by the CDC ( here , here , here , here ). However, the final numbers for 2019 have not yet been released, and it is unclear where the image creator took the 2,900,689 figure from. This is the same for the 2020 projection.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-chart-us-death-figures-2020-idUSKBN2872MV
The same applies to this chart- the CDC has not yet finished the totals for 2019, much less through September 2020, and as there is quite a lag in reporting, the 2,168,098 figure is far from finished being complete. It is simply ignoring the yet uncounted deaths that occurred before the date that are still waiting to be added in to official stats. They might not even have been sent in yet by some overworked agency. And frankly the estimated deaths used in this chart to calculate the estimated deaths for the rest of the year see to have been chosen from one of the lowest period. The deaths after that point have pretty much been higher. In many weeks quite a bit higher. Even that is not yet complete as the CDC estimates the reported deaths in that week are about 60% of what they will end up to be..
ULLR are you claiming that Covid is a hoax? Just curious.
A hoax? No.
Unfortunately that is not correct. What is likely is that the 6% listing covid-19 as the sole cause of death without anything else are more likely to be wrong. ““It seems clear that comorbidities, leading to compromised immune systems, play an important role in COVID-19 deaths, and in such cases attributing deaths to a single cause is at best questionable,” Roderick Little, a professor of biostatistics at the University of Michigan, told USA TODAY.” The way Research This! Stats are being phased, it is like saying is like saying only 6% of people dying from car accidents acually die of the trauma of the accident because rest-94%- bleed out after injury and it’s the bleeding out that causes their death. Not the accident itself. Covid-19 is being treated like that- they say that co morbidities cause the death, not covid-19. But in reality, as with the accident, if they had not become infected with this particular disease, they would have been able to continue and overcome most other illnesses for years.
“When a person dies, the cause and manner of death of death are determined separately from any comorbidities that may have been present. A person who takes his own life, for instance, has suicide listed for a cause of death, with any comorbidities he may have had documented separately.” “Bob Anderson, the National Center for Health Statistics chief of mortality statistics, told AFP Fact Check that in all the agency’s reported data, COVID-19 was the underlying cause of death.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/01/fact-check-cdcs-data-covid-19-deaths-used-misleading-claims/5681686002/
That’s quite interesting. I have seen graphs and charts showing total U.S. deaths to be up this year, compared to previous five years (i HOPE that would be adjusted for population growth… if we have more people, we’d expect an increase in the number of deaths); but i have also seen graphs, etc., showing just this: the Covid deaths are cancelled out, statistically, by the fact that these people didn’t die of whatever else they would have died of; and that death rates are basically normal. WHAT to believe??? They always claim to be using official CDC information.
Of course, the only reliable thing to do is track down the numbers yourself.
Which is not possible. Not the CDC nor the creator of intenet charts. The ata simply does not instantly become available upon death. It take weeks in most cases and years in other cases to simply show up.
To think this is some massive conspiracy to inflate numbers means to think that places like Iran must be considered to be in cahoots with the US and Israel. Packistan conspiring with India. Heck even the Germans conspiring with France. It is not in the realm of possibility that those who would happily drop bombs on each other decided on this one issue to work together to fool a bunch of YouTubers in the US. It is simply too irrational to be considered sane. SARS-COV-2 might rationally not be considered to be justifying wholesale lockdowns or other measures but it is insane to think that everyone in the world got together to falsify data.
It’s like the chemtrail people, who think there’s a massive worldwide network of hundreds of thousands of pilots flying planes equipped with extra tanks of mysterious substances, tankers filling those tanks, rail cars moving billions of gallons of it around the countryside, factories producing it, etc etc etc etc…. and not a single person in any nation anywhere in the world has decided to not play their role in this conspiracy.
You do pay taxes?
That’s the mother of all clear Conspiracies.
Smoke and mirrors, when anyone asks for accountability.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/aluminum-dust-from-geoengineering-fueling-super-wildfires-according-to-author-300707890.html
“Millions of tons of aluminum and barium are being sprayed almost daily across the U.S., stated Mills” See, if you believe in things like that, you might even be able to believe the things trump says.
Where do millions of tons of aluminum per day come from? Does Alcoa have a giant plant being fed by a giant mine and powered a few dozen dedicated nuclear power plants to refine it? Do note that our entire aluminum production is only about a million tons per year, not per day. How many hundreds of thousands of people would need to be involved in producing these compounds, transporting them, spraying them, etc etc? Is the chemtrail industry the largest employer in the US?
Or you’re batshit crazy.
Guess which I think is the most likely?
“In California’s Mt. Shasta region, Francis Mangel, a USDA biologist tested and found elevated levels of aluminum in water and soil samples of 4,610 parts per million which is 25,000 times the safe guidelines of the World Health Organization. ”
https://rebelsiren.wordpress.com/2014/08/22/francis-mangels-former-usda-biologist-with-the-us-forest-service-scientific-findings-lab-reports-conclusive-evidence-of-geo-engineering/
“Mangels’ high altitude soil and surface water tests show alarmingly high levels aluminum hydroxide/oxide, barium oxide, strontium oxide. These levels are off the charts for what the EPA considers safe, yet they refuse to investigate. In addition to toxicity, these chemicals make soil pH 10-20 times higher than normal and make it difficult for plants to grow.”
How many people are signed on to voter fraud, whether directly or indirectly , knowing, or unknowingly?
I’d say over half the population.
The fraud of income tax is supported by just about everyone.
Every single war, every single weapon of mass destruction, every single thing done by government has literally resulted in blood on our hands. The tax payer.
It’s difficult to comprehend the depth at which fraud haa been perpetrated on all of us.
It’s called being an accessory after the fact.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/the-claims-of-francis-mangels-a-factual-examination.154/
If we’re just throwing out any old link here.
LOL.
That “news” was “provided” by the guy pushing a book about chemtrails. Matt Legend is some character in the book with supernatural elements, by Denis Mills.
Also what Bushytails said.
I agree, if it was just the author here, Angela.
Some people have said that it’s a beneficial program to help with solar radiation management.
Have you seen the Johnny Depp Movie, where he uploads himself into the computer?
? Transcendence”
There is a scene with Paul Bettany’s character talking about covering the entire earth’s surface In nano particles. I found that interesting.
Art mirrors life?
It does seem a bit crazy, but I do have many friends /family who’ve been fighting wildfires for 3 decades, and the fires burn characteristics have brought up many unanswered questions.
It’s a testament to what we see with our own eyes, inspite of what we are told.
Truth is always stranger than fiction.
Like our winter time fire seasons.
Uhm, you keep referring to fictional movies…as well as a fictional book author. Science fiction and woo.
I love the Lord of the rings Trilogy, but I don’t refer to it when thinking about actual science and, you know, reality.
Though I have met some people who do remind me of Orcs. 🙂
As do those who refer to orcs, the Twilight Zone, Nazis or any of the other straw man arguments favored by those who can’t allow that everything is more complex and uncertain than haters can tolerate. If you don’t really don’t like analogies to pieces of fiction in these cases, at least be honest enough not to use them yourself. Or maybe acknowledge the fact you do is because your goal is to spew hate rather than persuade.
Tax payers are the biggest group of people in denial about why they gotta pay so much for the abuse they receive. The two party system is laughing at what people believe.
I listen to my family working in health care. A lot of people they talk about dying have some kind of illness or some not and have the luck of the draw to die. It’s a new disease and we don’t know a lot. We are learning more to survive as time goes on and just like the last epidemic AIDS we will learn to survive it most of the time.
Please be careful!
That’s amazing. Some random website that doesn’t even exist anymore has THE TRUTH, while everyone else is wrong!
Other studies have found significant numbers of excess deaths. Here, for example, is the CDC’s page on it:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm
“The total number of excess deaths (deaths above average levels) from January 26 through October 3 ranged from a low of approximately 841 in the youngest age group (<25 years) to a high of 94,646 among adults aged 75–84 years."
Oh look, the exact opposite of what you said.
over 20 million doses of Trump’s vaccine were flown into Pleasant Prarie, Wisconsin today. Roll up your sleeve, America, time to get saved!
The FDA has yet to approve an emergency authorization. There is a meeting on December 10 to discuss it.
It is not “trump’s vaccine”, for a multitude of reasons. For example, trump only reluctantly went along with creating a vaccine program after being forced to. Oh, and the one that’s hitting the market, and that you’re talking about (Pfizer), wasn’t developed as part of that program. You know, little details. The kind of details that give it a big red FALSE if you bothered to check snopes.
I can’t find any source saying there’s 20m doses anywhere, just that they’re starting to ship them, and hope to have somewhere approaching that number by the end of the year. Also, note they haven’t been approved for use yet.
You know Pfizer took over a billion from Trump’s Operation Warp Speed so why lie?
“The research and development of Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, which proved to be 90% effective against SARS-CoV-2 in November 2020, was funded by U.S. President Donald Trump’s Operation Warp Speed.
Rating False False”
“Sharon Castillo, a Pfizer spokesperson, told Snopes in an email. “While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the U.S. government, the company did not accept the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) funding for the research and development process. All the investment for R&D and manufacturing has been made by Pfizer at risk.””
Pfizer did not take any money from Warp Speed. Pfizer has an agreement with the US government that they will sell them the first doses manufactured of it, nothing more. Pfizer is set to receive a good chunk of money… after receiving approval (hopefully in about two weeks) and actually providing the vaccine. That they are selling it directly to the government, rather than to the private distribution networks, doesn’t really change much.
Are you claiming Trump’s contract with Pfizer to buy 100 million doses of vaccine for nearly $2 billion back in July was not a factor in the rapid vaccine development? You’ve got it bad, Bro.
Who cares who they name the vaccine after, lose the hate .
Who, what , where?
Please remember we have limited ICU beds and health care workers up here, who are not far from burn-out even pre-COVID. Flattening the curve gives us some levity and leaves some beds open for non-COVID admissions. Everyone is upset about staying home and shutting down, but from within the health care system we see how it is necessary to keep the wheels on. When we take care of people with high blood pressure, diabetes, or strokes, we do not directly risk our own health. Please support your local nurses, doctors, and all hospital workers by matching our efforts with your own.
Thank you DQ for the nice words directed towards our elderly. How easy we forget many of our elderly did many things we benefit from now. For example, the Vietnam war where many of them were drafted their senior year of high school. We complain about our senior’s not being able to attending a graduation, small Sacrifice comparatively. Our elderly are still humans and deserve to pass with regard and respect, just like the rest of us. It’s deeply troubling to hear folks talk about our elderly and folks with comorbidities like their garbage easily discarded. Just as an FYI, we all become old. I am young, athletic, and save lives for a living. My point is, I have hypertension, a comorbidity. The point is just because someone is old or has a comorbidity doesn’t mean they don’t contribute to their community or society, their lives matter!
Well said
Not really. As an older person with co morbidities, I recognize my responsibility to avoid undue risks of infection while allowing people who are much less likely to be seriously effected to keep up the economy so that I also can get what I need to maintain my health like utilities, power, groceries, health care, package delivery, police, fire protection, etc. Even information. The complex inter dependencies that others seem so sure can be targeted and turn on and off like a light switch can be damaged, leading to a cascade of failures. It’s a level of obliviousness that is incredible. And dreadfully unfair in its self centerness. I don’t need to be out and about but I do need to have a lot of others keeping systems intact. The old “For Want of a Nail” proverb comes to mind.
No, I’m not a matter of life and death to many people these days but the others being treated with such distain very well might be for a lot of other people.
Spot on Guest! They can’t see the forrest through the trees. Thank you for your selfless support of the American way!
They’re cry is one size fits all; “Health Officers ‘Uber Alles’!”
I’m not sure if they don’t care about them because they’re elderly, or just because they’re someone other than themselves.
That’s a big part of it also.
This whole pandemic has revealed some pretty awful things about a large swathe of America. How large? Who knows…But a lot of us can’t escape the conclusion that a whole lot of people can’t be bothered to give a shit about some of the most vulnerable people in our society, most of whom have been good citizens for their whole lives and deserve at least to be recognized as human beings. And the ignorant mob doesn’t care because they might have to stop eating out for the present, or attending their son’s football games, or allowing their daughter’s prom. Or they’re so weak-minded that they get sucked into the rightwing conspiracy that this is the first step towards the govt taking their guns.
It’s pathetic and sad.
Why is it that the very people so free with constant self righteous insults and belittling others think they are being kind when they make sweeping condemnations? Now that is delusional.
Your position—if you can even articulate what it is—is toxic and immoral.
And the kind of virulent ignorance displayed by the anti-maskers and conspiracy theorists is fully deserving of sweeping condemnation.
DQ translation-anyone who disagrees with me deserves to be castigated and doesn’t believe in “science”.
You see, for liberals, the more indignant you act the more moral/right you are. Just pepper in the words racist and science here and there (without evidence of course) and viola, you have won the argument!
Here’s some science liberals won’t read
https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/
Here’s a book no liberal will bother to read or attempt to discredit. If you do read it you’re just a racist who doesn’t believe in science
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08P3T15PW?notRedirectToSDP=1&ref_=dbs_mng_calw_2&storeType=ebooks
The AAPS has about 5000 members. There are 950,000 plus doctors in the US.
They are about one half of one-percent of doctors and are known for supporting every crack pot theory out there. So yes, we have read them and about them, and know they are full of it. They get cited here fairly often.
They are also affiliated with the ” Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine ” which is a private organization infamous for the “Oregon petition”…and for Art Robinson, who was for a brief time head of the Oregon GOP and also infamous for wanting people to mail him their pee.
As for Alex Berenson, who I had to look up:
“In May 2020, Fox News announced that Berenson would host a tv-show called “COVID Contrarian” on its online streaming platform Fox Nation. However, by July 2020, amid surges in coronavirus cases across parts of the United States, Fox News appeared to have backtracked and removed the announcement of his show from its website.”
I agree that those citing authority should at least know what the authority is but unfortunately it is more convenient for most commenters not to take the time to do it. That said, contrarians are not automatically wrong because they go against popular ideas. Popular ideas also include urban legends, old wife’s tale and mass hysteria. Most people here citing “science” are not able to understand what they are citing either. Maybe that word should be not be used as a club to beat others as much as is done.
Which proves…what exactly?
Isn’t it really something?
The funny thing is that Mr. “Rollin” actually thinks he’s helping his cause.
When WIKIPEDIA doesn’t pull punches about the ignorance of an organization, you know it’s bad:
“AAPS is a conservative non-profit association founded in 1944. The group was reported to have about 5,000 members in 2014. The association has promoted a range of scientifically discredited hypotheses, including the belief that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism. It is opposed to the Affordable Care Act and other forms of universal health insurance.”
But your summary is much better.
DQ before you on and on (and on and on) about the awfulness of “my position”, try going back and looking for the comments you assign to me. You won’t find them because they are almost exclusively from your own mind after not bothering to carefully read, much less understand what I did say.
I know that when you do comment, it is in reaction to someone criticizing Trump or one of the many conspiracy theories being injected into social media right now. That tells me—and everyone else—an awful lot about what you believe. You pretending like that isn’t the case, and that you are some objective observer of politics and society, is pretty amusing in that sense.
You seem to believe that you speak for senior citizens. You don’t. I have two parents with chronic health conditions who definitely aren’t as cavalier as you are. They know that as things get progressively worse, they run a greater risk of being infected themselves. Even if they remain at home and get necessities delivered to their home.
My guess is that your circumstances are much better than that of many senior citizens in this country, who are dependent on care homes or largely left to fend for themselves. People who risk something every time a nurse comes into their care home from the outside world. Look at Alder Bay in Eureka. How any people there died because a nurse working in the facility was exposed to Covid through her father, who was in contact with some infected, dirtbag meth dealer (Google it yourself, if you want details about the event I’m referring to).
Anyone as vulnerable as you claim to be would show a lot more humility and circumspection when talking about the kinds of risks that older citizens are now exposed to simply by living anywhere in the US at this point.
I don’t speak for anyone but myself. But I do see that most elderly are not as dependent as you seem to think. Most frequently they are the very group with a regular income that they don’t need to venture out to get.
They are the group most able to successfully isolate. Your suspicions are wrong and are conveniently offered to justify why someone you want to use for an example of the vulnerable is not screaming victim. That is your own situation and agenda talking.
Nursing homes and assisted lving are exceptions and should have very strict protocols . Govenment should have understood this and provided both regulation and assistance to keep them as safe as possible. Not shut down everything else on the theory that this protects such places. It might protect them if there was a chance of eliminating the virus but there is no- Not a bit of- a chance that is going to be the result. As it is the virus keeps circulating at a lower but not neglible rate, simply keeping the pandemic going for a longer time than any other respiratory virus in history. The extending of the pandemic makes it inevitable that even good practices will encounter a failure. As your own example shows. It ensures the damage you blame on others.
One worry is that, if this half assedness goes on long enough, there will be a virus mutation that increases the infectivity or virulence and we will be thoroughly screwed. Or that there will be created a level of social unrest that cascades into war. Or a fiscal one where enough people are without income that whole systems of supply are disrupted for decades. Or that even more of our native manufacturing and resources end up overseas , sent to those countries not so damned hamstrung by a self denigrating citizenry to our permanent loss. There are a whole lot of things that need considering other than what is in your limited view. You can not offer the protection you self righteously think you do while you can certainly damage that to which you are oblivious.
As I said- find one statement from me that supports your contentions of evil. What I do tend to comment on is the utter meaness of people who post only to insult others- the uselessness and debilitating nature of such people. I don’t hold with conspiracies because I have to much faith in the incompetence of humans to think that it is possible advance some huge but unknown agenda. But the same faith in human incompetence makes it clear that a whole lot of people swallow then regurgitate someone else’s poor understanding either it is socialist or fascist. One thing is sure that the very people who see the world as totally controlled by others are right. They will never take action for themselves. And should be treated as the incompetents they are determined to be.
Some people on here claim I live in my mothers basement, which claim is usually made by a person that does. Also if one lived in their moms basement they would probably make the same statement as DQ just did, which explains everything.
I don’t think you live in your mom’s basement. I’m guessing that if your name is “Lone Ranger” you are old enough to have secured a nice single family home at a reasonable price, possibly without an education and via unskilled labor.
What a load of biased speculation that is. You should be embarrassed but I suspect you won’t be. If there is one thing that smells rotten, it is spite created from envy. And when that spite has fermented into speculative fiction, it is truly toxic.
The feelings of those whom your so concerned about, despite their lack of concern for you, don’t matter as much as their or others lives.
Get over yourself.
YF
Do you live in your moms basement? Your theory is bunk ,I’ve been all over the west coast, out of the country, I have grandkids, both my parents are alive and both my grandmothers were at the beginning of the year , neither died of covid, just died of old age well into their nineties. I still live a regular life routine and so do my parents, but they have always had good hygiene, but no need to bunker down in a basement because of covid if you have alittle commonsense, peace out.
I think the issue is not lack of compassion, but a difference in modalities for decision making. Some make decisions based on logic, some make decisions based upon emotion. It “feels” better or worse, rather than it “is” better or worse. I don’t have to agree with you, but I also don’t need to make blanket statements about people who don’t agree with me.
Face it DQ. We live in a hyper-individualistic society. We have over the last several decades been encouraged to participate in behavior that weakens familial bonds and traditional family structures. Without a monolithic base to make consistent observation and form our behavior from, we choose what suits us individually. How can you expect people to act as a larger unit when the base unit of the family doesn’t exist for most Americans?
* This is how to provide a retort without personal insults or blanket generalizations of the “other.” Please take notes. *
First thing is first. I’m going to respond to your earlier, patently false assertion that you and the rest of the militant anti-science people here are posting and consulting “peer reviewed” data to support your claims.
While I havent read every comment section on RHBB, Ive read a lot the last few weeks. You and your partisans haven’t posted or even referenced a single peer-reviewed source. Not a SINGLE one.
Because “peer-reviewed” is just a phrase you’ve learned to appropriate as some pretense to authority, which is about as convincing as an undergraduate essay that’s simply cut and pasted garbage from Wikipedia with a few buzzwords added.
How do I know what peer review is? Because I’ve *gone through* the process and published peer reviewed research.
It is an extremely long, exhausting, and often discouraging process getting an article (let alone a monograph) published. And takes multiple attempts sometimes. And swallowing a ton of criticism from anonymous readers and revising your work accordingly.
I can tell you every stage of an actual peer review process, but, let’s be honest: you’ll just claim I’m not real, or work for the Deep State, or am owned by a corporation. So Im not going to waste my effort there.
In conclusion, all these blog posts and this youtube content “published” by the pseudo-intellectual charlatans and wanna-be journalists and conspiracy theory “researchers” you guys always like to point to as “evidence” for your claims – all that verbal diarrhea you guys clog comment sections with – is not fooling anyone.
And you – and anyone reading this – should be aware of just how unconvincing such shallow pretensions to knowledge and authority are when that garbage is trotted out.
I’ve never insulted anyone directly or resorted to personal insults on this site. Or any site. However, I will certainly insult people’s ignorant arguments and *suggest* that they, too, are ignorant if they believe in them.
The real problem you have with me and others is that you cant answer us any other way, cant argue or debate in good faith. So, in lieu of doing that, you claim that people taking issue with your false statements and bogus evidence are being “mean” and “insulting.”
But, by all means, continue using that excuse if you think it will work.
Since you “havent read every comment section on RHBB, Ive read a lot the last few weeks. You and your partisans haven’t posted or even referenced a single peer-reviewed source. Not a SINGLE one.”
The ONLY statement I’ve made towards masking is that cloth masks don’t work. N95 masks and respirators do. Not a partisan issue.
Here’s the links. All peer reviewed scientific papers.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372
And the latest study from Denmark:
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
There you go. Facts sans insults. Can you back up your position or are you just going to call names and make false assumptions?
Let’s be clear: I said a host of false claims made on this site by the militant Right are not supported by anything peer-reviewed, from Covid’s lethality (compared to the flu), to that nonsense about “dark winter,” to 9/11 conspiracies (which I see you also subscribe to).
Yes, what you’ve linked *here* are peer reviewed. However, it’s pretty clear that you didn’t read them very closely…
Not one of those papers concludes (or even says) “cloth masks don’t work” (your words). Here are two glaring examples of your misrepresentations of their content:
Both the NEJM article and the “Denmark study” are about the efficacy of ALL masks, including N95 masks. And, no, they don’t say “cloth masks don’t work.” The most they say, in fact, is that cloth masks MAY be less effective than surgical masks. But that this isn’t a hard-and-fast conclusion and needs more research before that can even be shown.
The NEJM article is prefaced with a statement (maybe you missed it) from the authors that explicitly contradicts your sweeping statement:
Editor’s Note: This article was published on April 1, 2020, at NEJM.org. In a letter to the editor on June 3, 2020, the authors of this article state: “We strongly support the calls of public health agencies for all people to wear masks when circumstances compel them to be within 6 ft of others for sustained periods.”
Why don’t you take this opportunity to explain to me, and everyone else, exactly how these articles *support* your position that cloth masks “don’t work.”
I’m glad your still referring to me as a conspiracy theorist. It invalidates all your following statements. Again, you can’t debate me intellectually, you make baseless accusations and provide insult instead of counterpoint.
You used one paper to generalize all of them. Did you read all of the other papers or just try and poke a pinhole in one?
The nejm study states that they promote mask wearing, but don’t state why. How is that a rebuttal? Sounds more like the nejm didn’t want to “assume liability” for disseminating contrary opinion.
What actual point can you make?
I’ll say it again:
Why don’t you take this opportunity to explain to me, and everyone else, exactly how these articles *support* your position that cloth masks “don’t work.”
Can’t do that, can you?
I sure could, or you could just read the papers and make your own decisions. This isn’t a thesis defense, it’s a news blog.
I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I’ve made my statement and listed the sources to provide information as to why I think the way I do. Which were peer reviewed scientific papers.
You’re assertion was that there was no evidence to support the idea that cloth masks don’t work. You’re moving the goalposts because you can’t defend your original position and want to appear correct.
All I’ve encouraged was independent research and critical thinking. The onus is on you, not me. How about you prove to me how cloth masks work. Scientists in Denmark couldn’t. Are you somehow smarter and have better experimental design that they do? How about you volunteer your services then? The world needs brilliant minds like you! Get on it Dr. Quinn. We need you!
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FREE ESTIMATES:
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Free estimates relies on people believing him, not doing any research- contrary to what Free Estimates toutes.
Thank you DQ.
I can tell you never read the articles either, Brian. You’ve both chosen
willfull ignorance. I understand. When you get to a certain age, you don’t want to challenge your worldview. That’s fine. Just don’t espouse how others are incorrect based on your assumptions of how the world currently works, as opposed to how it used to work.
What’s with the scoreboard? Are you referee Brian now? I thought you were inspector Brian still?
Caution: Attacking each other personally isn’t helpful. Please keep to disputing ideas.
The only thing DQ is good at is bs , made me laugh though.
Co morbidities don’t just suddenly appear just because you become of a certain age. We all have them, even if they not yet apparent. Our immune system works. If it stopped working, we’d die.
I heard once that if you bury a dead body in slack lime, it will be gone quickly. Where did it go? The bugs and critters in the body’s systems consumed the body as food. Once the critters and bugs starve, they too die. You get a fossil. KIds don’t try this at home.
Whether or not I said this well, I don’t care. I just wanted to say, lighten up on old folks.
All of our bodies, given death, will stink. Even our current, past, and future presidents. Even good journalists, and fake news journalists. Patriots and anarchists. Any age, any race, any viewpoint.
Death is coming, unless you are already dead. So says me.
In the mean time, life is groovy.
Love your neighbor. He ain’t really your enemy, most likely.
Go buy some flowers, give them to a shut-in fearful covid avoider. Make someone happy.
Shut off the news. Get out of the rabbit hole. Breathe. Forgive.
Go outside and work up a sweat, look at the sky, yell “thank you” three times.
Jump up and down, and laugh.
“He ain’t heavy, he’s your brother.”
This is absurd. My heart goes out to all of the local businesses that are impacted yet again by the knee jerk reactions of Gavin “French Laundry” Newsome and his failed attempts to “protect” us.
Actual excess death numbers on cdc website in 2020 compared with excess death rates in previous years. It is broken multiple age groups and ethnicities.
“The total number of excess deaths (deaths above average levels) from January 26 through October 3 ranged from a low of approximately 841 in the youngest age group (<25 years) to a high of 94,646 among adults aged 75–84 years.§§ However, the average percentage change in deaths over this period compared with previous years was largest for adults aged 25–44 years (26.5%) (Figure 2). Overall, numbers of deaths among persons aged <25 years were 2.0% below average,¶¶ and among adults aged 45–64, 65–74 years, 75–84, and ≥85 years were 14.4%, 24.1%, 21.5%, and 14.7% above average, respectively."
Below age 25 years old, excess deaths were down 2%. All other ages up double digit in% increase. Highest % increase in excess deaths is in the 25yo-44yo age range. Please go to the link, look at graphs for yourself. This data only ran end of Jan. to Oct. 3rd, so this latest surge in the past month nationwide is not included yet.
So the younger crowd has done a better job of following guidelines than the rest of us. I would have to agree ,the younger you are the more likely you will change your lifestyle .
No, it means there is likely significantly less risk to people under 25 years of age. However, the misinformation that this disease isn’t killing significantly more people than a normal year is incorrect. The narrative that this disease effects and kills only the elderly, also appears false by these statistics.
The greatest additional risk for death is in the 25-44yo age group. Could be based on exposure or activity compared to other demographics, but excess deaths up by 26% is a lot and this new surge hasn’t even been tallied yet.
No , it means however you want to interpret it. Not even nearly enough data to come to a conclusion, just keep assuming. I’m sure the suicide in that age group isn’t very high, and the typical suicide rate couldn’t be higher this year. Just one common sense reason.
I haven’t seen that suicide rates are that high. According to this study, “Reports suggest either no rise in suicide rates (Massachusetts, USA11; Victoria, Australia13; England14) or a fall (Japan,9 Norway15) in the early months of the pandemic. The picture is much less clear in low income countries, where the safety nets available in better resourced settings may be lacking. News reports of police data from Nepal suggest a rise in suicides,12 whereas an analysis of data from Peru suggests the opposite.” https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352
However, they do go on to state, “Any change in the risk of suicide associated with covid-19 is likely to be dynamic. The 20% decrease in Japan early in the pandemic seemed to reverse in August, when a 7.7% rise was reported.9 Evidence from previous epidemics suggests a short term decrease in suicide can occur initially—possibly linked to a “honeymoon period” or “pulling together” phenomenon.5 Trends in certain groups may be hidden when looking at overall rates, and the National Child Mortality Database has identified a concerning signal that deaths by suicide among under 18s may have increased during the first phase of lockdown in the UK.”
Suicide is just one example Kym, there are many more reasons deaths for that age group are high. To try and say it is strictly due to COVID-19 is as bad as saying it is just due to suicides.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
We just set a new record in the US and went over 200,000 new cases today. 206,000 to be exact. This thing is running like a firestrom.
Most states didn’t report Thanksgiving instead two day report Friday
Most of the states that didnt report on thanksgiving divided the backlogged number by two and applied half of the cases to each day.
It didn’t say that on the chart at JHU, just listed as one day, but since there has been no follow up I think it must be a compilation. It happens.
The reson I stay on top of cases worldwide is to see where its heading. This thing is like a ping pong ball. Its over there then over there back and forth. If someone were to do a video of the spread it would be most interesting.
The only thing I’m conerned about though is the finding of covid infected minks in Oregon. That needs watching.
well it looks to be true. We hit over 200,000. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/11/28/covid-news-los-angeles-county-stay-home-order-us-cases/6444208002/
The U.S. reported more than 200,000 COVID-19 cases for the first time on Friday, an all-time high reached about three weeks after the nation first reported 100,000 daily cases on Nov. 4.
The nation recorded 205,557 new cases Friday. That rapid doubling, as reported by Johns Hopkins University, is reminiscent of the virus’ growth this spring, when exponential spread prompted widespread restrictions across the country in an effort to control the virus.
And I hope you also realize Pfizer’s statements are meant as a legal basis to price gouge complacent Biden after delivery of Trump’s 100 million vaccine dose order. Biden and his cronies owe big pharma so he’ll give them taxpayer money without an argument. Drug price reform? Not from a swampy Biden administration
researcher, didn’t you just learn about the issues with PCR testing and what happens when you run them over 35 cycles (40 is the norm)? Why are we still going on about “cases”?
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/newly-surfaced-video-july-fauci-tests-dead-virus
No, “researcher”, who i’m pretty sure claims to have worked in the biotech industry (not as a janitor either), did not learn anything. Incredibly he/she actually watched the video. Unfortunately he couldn’t understand the issues with PCR testing because they were talking too fast so he reverted back to his prior, baseless opinion, rather than try and understand the problem. And that’s liberalism personified in a nutshell!
Here, try again…..”researcher”
https://tomwoods.com/ep-1765-the-pcr-testing-fiasco/
Researcher at least admitted it was unclear. To accept what that speaker said in terms of all PCR tests are of no use is wrong. Mullens said that about AIDS and HIV 50 years ago. Not SARS-COV-2 and covid-19 now. They are not the same as HIV does not necessarily mean a diagnosis as what it does is suppress the immune system and allow other viruses to cause illness while SARS-COV-2 itself causes destruction that can kill even if no other viruses are there. So the presence of HIV is not diagnostic while the presence of SARS-COV-2 is. A person who is infected with SARS-COV-2 is not going to necessarily die from it but, if they are dying with the symptoms of covid-19, it is certainly due to the activity of the virus. In fact that is exactly what your new link says.
Tom Woods only makes the point the covid-19 test do not mean a positive doesn’t absolutely mean the person is contagious. But the real issue is that, while there are people being who are being quarantined based on a PCR that does not surely mean they are infective, is it good enough at the moment to be useful? Since lockdowns are not only based on positives but also hositalizations and symptoms, I think it is. But with a big caveat that massive social disruption can not be done based on PCR tests alone. And certainly it does not merit the level of grandma-hating accusations. That was a very interesting interview as long as you remember it comes from a person with an agenda. And remember that those who are touted as “experts” by the actual haters have a long history of screwing up. The point about who funds research is one that needs to be said loudly repeated before assuming such irrational ideas are gospel. Gospel is religion, not science.
Anyway thanks for the link. It was worth hearing the interview.
The reason I couldn’t understand is because I have aphasia and all sound comes in distorted. Cant talk on phones either. I need subtitles especially when someone talks fast.
Ive only scratched the surface on testing and it all sounds a muddled mess. We’ll never know the full extent of this thing due to a lack of credible testing.
And no I dont understand the cycle thing, yet. What I don’t get is on these later cycles, what is picked up, just any strand of coronavirus? Is that saying someone with a cold might register as covid positive.
But guys, I have no training in anything except what Ive taught myself as an investigator and researcher. Im just trying to figure this thing out like everyone else.
https://www.medicinenet.com/pcr_polymerase_chain_reaction/article.htm#what_is_pcr_polymerase_chain_reaction
https://www.promega.com/resources/guides/nucleic-acid-analysis/pcr-amplification/
I don’t have enough technical knowledge to know how easy it is to magnify errors with repeating the process many times but I think the contrarian position is that, if a person has a very, very low volume of virus in the sample provided for the test so it needs to be run many cycles, it is not really possible to know whether it is meaningful enough to create regulations on the assumption they are infective. Like a person who is covered in sand is likely to have been to the beach recently and spread sand around liberally but a person who is found only to have one grain of sand on them is unlikely to spread it around to anyone. We simply don’t know if very low levels of what may even be a non-reproducing piece of virus is significant.
I think that a combination of the test along with symptoms of disease should be enough to analyze its meaning. But I doubt whether any politician could tell whether it is or not and that it is not in the nature of public health officials to raise questions about their most useful tool. So it leaves questions unanswered and it becomes a matter of faith. Not science as the word is so often misused.
https://www-king-om.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.king5.com/amp/article/news/verify/verify-Danish-study-masks-still…
https://moble-reuters-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/moble.reuters.com/article/amp/ipUKKDN277ODF?amp_js_v=ab&_gsa=…
Hey Kym, do you know why Trinity County lists the places of contact and Humboldt doesn’t?
They have different Public Health officers with different ideas about what is important to protect.
Thank you
If masks , social distancing, good hygiene, a vaccine, and hiding in the basement keeps you safe, it then is reasonable to conclude that it would only be Trump supporters dying from exposure which should make the Trump haters very happy.
Right?
Otherwise how can the left insist those things work and why are they so afraid?? Are their Grandma’s and Grandpa’s all republicans?
And of course Trump is responsible for the cases in the rest of the world also, cause you know TDS says so.
Wrong.
Also, the trite and tired “hiding in the basement” needs tot be retired.
I do hope that it has been made clear to you that wearing masks protects others from you.
Though you have, in effect, admitted that it is purely political. Is it only Trump supporters who refuse to wear masks? Why would you assume that. Is it a requirement that being a Trump supporter involves NOT wearing a mask?
If you’ve had it and recovered you can ditch the mask free of shame, right?
John Hopkins University found the death rates from heart disease and other ailments has gone down during this pandemic. So much so that the overall death rate in 2020 is not much different than recent years. Does this mean covid cures heart disease?
The US pre-Covid death rate is 7452/day…no one ever quotes this. The virus is real& contagious, so we all need to help the safety factor until vaccines& meds arrive. It’s pretty simple… & history shows that these things pass, but that there’s always something!
Oh, so it’s the left not wearing the masks Thanks for proving me wrong Angela. I suspected as much.
No…LOL.
I didn’t bring up politics into this, you did.
LOL
And of course you were forced to jump in.
Yet you never answered the question, is Trump responsible for the cases around the world too? And the world wide protests against these lock downs?
Just wear your mask! Doctors and nurses are showing up for work, it’s the least you can do! Keep it simple!
98% of people are wearing masks and yet still there is constant bitching.
They have been for 10 months.
2% are never going to wear masks.
People all over the world are protesting these lock downs and I don’t think it’s because they love Trump.
🕯🌳And that 2%live here in Humboldt County. 🖖🖖
If you really, really try, that 2% shouldn’t really be that hard to stay away from.
Maybe they aren’t wearing masks to keep some people away.
Hey Hot Coffee
Very very few people in my area wear masks…our rates have quadrupled in a week.
How many must die before you quit spouting nonsense?
Mask aren’t 100% preventative…it’s the swiss cheese approach. Masks, handwashing and distance.
I must maintain myself as I don’t have minions to order around. You risk my health by not wearing your mask — multiply that by however many shoppers in a store, both before and during my forced (remember, I can’t send my minion) resupply and I get to swim in your and everyone else’s aerosols during my ‘safe’ shopping trip. Viral load is a thing.
What amazes me about Kym’s posts about Covid is that the deniers don’t seem to be able to absorb new information. Or any information that contradicts their priors.
What’s up with that??
I’ve worn a mask since last Feb.
So why not complain at Gabbin’ Nuisance house or web site?
I’ve made my position clear many times.
Just like Obama said he could walk and chew gum at the same time….
The virus is real and government over reach is true at the same time.
If bitching, shaming, threatening, fining and fees, plus slandering people isn’t working … maybe try something new.
Or just keep doing the same thing and expect a different result.
Your not swimming in anything coming from me… except maybe comments you don’t like.
You say “Mask aren’t 100% preventative…it’s the swiss cheese approach. Masks, handwashing and distance. ”
But many here claim that if everyone wore a mask this would already be over.
I go to shop about once every 10 days or so fully prepped with masks sanitizer and extra wipes. I don’t worry about what other people do or don’t do. I watch as they go from the refrigerator
door handle touched by hundreds of people on to the produce section where they handle the produce and I assume everything is contaminated as they scratch their butt and adjust their mask.
I watch the experts wipe their nose with their hands and then touch the podiums. That includes Fauci.
Geez.
But what I am concerned about is what kind of country this will be for my grandson as he grows up.
But In my area most people are wearing masks and the rates are going up. Mostly because people are wearing masks in places they are unlikely to be infected and not wearing them in gatherings where they are likely to be infected. Does that tell you to be very careful about anecdotal evidence?
Guest,
thanks, good comment.
In Portugal I think their highest court found the pcr test to be unreliable, only 3% are true positives, not to base lockdowns on.
From the “Portugal resident.”
I would think that a 3% confirmation rate is real.
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Mask defiance remains strong in Big Sky Country, even as the pandemic rages
By Kathleen McLaughlin
November 27, 2020 Reprints
Montana Republican Caucus
Many Montana legislators refused to wear masks last week when Republican House members met in the state Capitol to select new leaders.
Thom Bridge/Independent Record via AP
A cancer survivor vulnerable to serious illness, Chany Ockert worried as the coronavirus swept through China and then northern Italy last winter. When, she wondered, would it reach her remote corner of the United States.
Now it has, with the force of a hurricane. Ockert lives in Flathead County in northwestern Montana, home to Glacier National Park and one of the worst-hit parts of the state. Montana did well early on, preventing spread of the virus with lockdowns and travel restrictions, but precautions were loosened in June and it now has one of the worst Covid-19 rates in the country.
Ockert, a 42-year-old nonprofit consultant, has been working from home and avoiding public spaces and crowds. When she was asked earlier this fall to teach a course at the local community college, she agreed, thinking that students would be following Montana’s statewide order mandating face masks be worn indoors. Minutes after the first class started, however, her students removed their masks. A week later, she was diagnosed with Covid-19. She had what’s considered a mild case, but that still meant weeks of breathing difficulty and nausea.
“It’s cognitive dissonance, for people don’t believe the virus exists,” Ockert said in an interview, her voice still strained from the effects of the illness. “It was frustrating to me when I am taking the precautions, and then to have a work setting where those precautions were disregarded.”
As President-elect Joe Biden prepares to take office in the midst of a devastating pandemic that has already killed more than 250,000 Americans, he’s already begun urging broader use of masks, and many public health experts hope one of his first actions is to declare a national mask mandate. Montana could offer clues about how that might work — or not work.
Biden, who wears a face mask in public, has spoken repeatedly about the need to make masks non-political, a mantra he has continued since the Nov. 3 election. This month, he called masks patriotic and said wearing them is everyone’s responsibility.
“It doesn’t matter your party, your point of view. We can save tens of thousands of lives if everyone would just wear a mask for the next few months,” Biden said at an event in Delaware.
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Masks have proven effective around the world to slow the spread of the virus, but President Trump and a litany of Republican leaders down the line, from members of Congress to governors and state legislators, have refused to wear them.
The result has been widespread confusion and skepticism about the value of masks and the politicization of a basic tool against the virus. While multiple surveys show mask adherence increased throughout the year, to 85 percent of people reporting they had worn masks in August, there is still a partisan divide. A Pew Research Center study in August found a 16-point gap between Democrats and Republicans on wearing masks in public settings.
The divide is evident in Republican-controlled states across a wide swath of the Great Plains and the northern Rockies, many of which were late to adopt mask mandates, or where they don’t exist at all. South Dakota, which now has the highest daily Covid death rate in the world, still has no mask rule and many local governments have refrained from stepping in. From the Dakotas to Idaho, Utah and Iowa, rising cases and resistance against masks has led to heated confrontations and political fights. In many places, local health departments have hesitated to impose and enforce mask mandates in the face of heated public opposition.
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In Montana, the Democratic governor, Steve Bullock, imposed a mask mandate months ago in all but a few tiny counties with very few Covid cases. However, enforcement has been largely left to businesses, and from bars to the state capitol in Helena, resistance has cropped up. In at least two cases, angry anti-maskers have threatened bar and restaurant employees with guns. As a result, whether people wear masks largely depends on their politics and the strength of the local health board.
In Flathead County, a member of the local health board who early on stirred skepticism about the deadliness of the virus, has cultivated a large following that routinely defies standard public health guidance. The health board has refused to limit the size of gatherings — despite a state mandate limiting crowds to 25 when social distancing isn’t possible — and with more than 5,500 testing positive for the virus to date, the county accounts for roughly 10 percent of all of Montana’s diagnosed Covid cases.
Mask defiance is not contained to the northeastern corner of Big Sky Country. A group called the Freedom Protection Project has toured the state campaigning against the mask mandate and raising money to fight it in court. In an email, the group framed its mission in language similar to vaccine skeptics’ talking points. “The media has grossly mischaracterized our group,” its statement said. “We are not an anti-mask group. We are a pro civil liberties organization. We have not had any anti-mask events.”
When state legislators met recently to elect the leadership for the legislative session that begins in January, dozens of Republican House and Senate members met in the Capitol, unmasked. Multiple Republican legislators did not respond to requests for comment on the issue.
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Similarly, Gov.-elect Greg Gianforte, a Republican, was frequently photographed during the campaign not wearing a mask. Republicans swept the state on Nov. 3 in a historically lopsided election. Though they declined to be identified, several people who work in and around the Montana Legislature said they are concerned about a potential outbreak in the Capitol.
The county health board sent a letter to the state GOP leadership asking members to limit their travel and opt for a virtual session, but there’s been no public response.
Public-health experts say mask wearing is not a lost cause and a national mask mandate could turn things around by lifting the burden off of local and state officials.
Dr. Abraar Karan, with Brigham and Women’s Hospital and Harvard Medical School, said national political leadership in the post-Trump era needs to reframe masks as an easy-to-use weapon against the pandemic, with very little downside. For the remaining states without mask mandates, and those having trouble with enforcement, having a national rule to be the theoretical bad guy will ease the pressure on local health officials.
“The other way to look at this is that if you have a national mask mandate, it becomes more normalized,” said Karan. “It’s got to come from the federal government. It will be harder and harder for individual governments to go against a national mandate.”
Dr Leana Wen, a former Baltimore health commissioner and a visiting professor at the Milken Institute School of Public Health at George Washington University, said a national mask mandate would be a herculean task to implement, but is also a gravely necessary measure. Getting local musicians, writers, sports figures and others to take up the cause could make a major difference, she told STAT.
For people like Chany Ockert, a national mask mandate might be arriving too late, but she still believes it’s necessary and people can change.
Since she got sick, she said, “l have friends, who have changed their views slightly.”
Correction: Chany Ockert’s last name was incorrect in a previous version of this story.
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I’d estimate that 20% of the people in my community mask up. The infection rate is skyrocketing…
She probably should have known better than to teach a group of students. Ding ding ding. So she got the flu, it’s going to happen around school kids.
The vulnerable and scared should stay home, same as always. It’s a matter of personal responsibility to avoid hazardous situations.
I CANNOT STAY HOME!! And what about ‘essential workers’ who have to earn a living?? YOU are endangering our lives, health and finances for your ‘freedums’. IT’s PANDEMIC! Happening all over the world! But nooo….Amerikans are INDIVIDUALS who have no responsibilities towards their neighbors or friends/family. Good job, guys.
I must get groceries and gas just like you do. I don’t have a maid to do it for me.
Please for Goddess’ sake; wear a mask. IT’s not that big of a deal. 350,000 deaths by the first of the year at the rate we’re going.
USA USA USA!!!
Quit insulting America because a few of its citizens are noisy. A few of every country’s citizens are going be against authority- just that here they don’t get sent to prison for saying so. It has good and bad consequences both.
I agree your “essential-ness” gives you a better right to make demands based on what you think. So I do take the actions that I can to respect those who work. I make an effort not to do things that could spread disease to them. I take it seriously and appreciate the workers who do the same for me.
Why doesn’t the Humboldt DHHS update their dash board stats every day,or after they quote a positive number found testing?? The zip code idea is great-only if kept accurate and updated. Every 7-9 days isn’t acceptable! Otherwise, its BS and a waste of time to look for.
Dr. Frankostein-got the message???
Masks don’t work. It’s a fact. You all understand. A couple expensive ones do but not those paper pieces off crap that are laying all over the streets. What a bunch of crap.
The CDC is urging people to wear them…
The cdc is just as corrupt as the fbi cia irs epa ect. All those 3 letter words are a joke and you all know it. Gimme a break. 🤮
What is not clear is how you know they don’t work… Have you conducted your own research? How do you screen which reports are from real experts and which are from pseudo experts?
Gators dont work either. Homemade t shirts and the N95 work best.
Diapers don’t work either.
There is no data to prove they work.
No matter how many I use, the 19 babies keep on shitting.
Prove me wrong.
Look. If you’re going to have 19 children, don’t ask us to provide for their care. That was your decision and pampers come as part of the package. I know it stinks and they’re expensive, but what did you think was going to happen daddy Brian?
Well it’s clear that babies don’t stop shitting if you put diapers on them, so if that is your definition of “working” then you have already proved yourself wrong. But, if you mean to keep the spread of shit bacteria under control, then the CDC has guidance for that too … https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/hygiene/diapering/in-the-home.html Which at least has a “circle of repugance” instinct to make people notice when they are spreading shit around.
Then again, “working” is a relative term. Which is why licking the seats on public transportation is not recommended.