17 New Cases Reported Today; State Assigns Humboldt County to Purple Tier; Limited Stay at Home Order Takes Effect Thursday
Press release from Humboldt County COVID19 – Joint Information Center:
A total of 801 county residents have tested positive for COVID-19, after 17 new cases were reported today. A previously reported hospitalization was removed after it was determined the individual had not been admitted to the hospital.
The California Department of Public Health (CDPH) today assigned Humboldt County to the widespread or “Purple” tier under the state’s “Blueprint for a Safer Economy.” According to CDPH, the county’s positivity rate and adjusted case rate are 2.3% and 6.1 respectively, which would place the county in the red tier. However, the state chose to assign Humboldt County to the purple tier due to concern over the recent acceleration in local COVID-19 activity and newer data showing a case count over 7.0.
In the purple tier, various industry sectors will be required to reduce capacity, move outdoor or cease operations until COVID-19 transmission declines. Some of the state’s requirements include:
- Bars, Breweries and Distilleries – Closed.
- Wineries – Open outdoors only.
- Family Entertainment Centers – Open outdoors only.
- Retail – Open indoors at maximum 25% capacity.
- Shopping Centers, Malls, Swap Meets – Open indoors at maximum 25% capacity; Close common areas; Close food courts.
- Museums, Zoos and Aquariums – Open outdoors only.
- Places of Worship – Open outdoors only.
- Movie Theaters – Open outdoors only.
- Hotels and Lodging – Close indoor pools, hot tubs, spa facilities and fitness centers.
- Gyms and Fitness Centers – Open outdoors only.
- Restaurants – Open outdoors only.
Humboldt County Health Officer Dr. Teresa Frankovich said these changes are a response to a very concerning increase in local transmission of COVID-19. “We all have to take action to slow the spread of this virus, which will allow us to move into a less restrictive tier and still protect each other and our health care system capacity,” she said.
Now that Humboldt County is in the purple tier, the state’s Limited Stay at Home Order will take effect locally on Thursday at 10 p.m.*
Wednesday. This order requires residents to refrain from gathering with non-household members and stop any non-essential activities between 10 p.m. and 5 a.m. Members of the same household may leave their home during this time as long as they do not interact with other households, and activities related to “the operation, maintenance, or usage of critical infrastructure” are exempt, according to the state’s order.Read state requirements under the purple tier at
https://tinyurl.com/statetierchanges.Read the state’s Limited Stay at Home Order at
https://tinyurl.com/limitedstayathomeorder.For the most recent COVID-19 information, visit cdc.gov or cdph.ca.gov. Local information is available at humboldtgov.org or during business hours by contacting [email protected] or calling 707-441-5000.
Humboldt County COVID-19 Data Dashboard: humboldtgov.org/dashboard,
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Humboldt Health Alert: humboldtgov.org/HumboldtHealthAlert
*Corrected to reflect that the state’s Limited Stay at Home Order takes effect locally at 10 p.m. on Thursday. The Joint Information Center regrets the error.
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Get used to it folks. Life is now a privilage. The rich buy their freedumb passes just like newsome. We gotta destroy the world we know in order to save it. And bring forth the new one of course. Godspeed and goodluck.
Gotta love the blame game. “They took our jobs.”…..wait, wrong side, “they didnt bend the knee low enough now the whole class gotta get detention. ” Or something like that. Its been a while since i was a child in school.
Also it might be worth noting for those who bring everything down to us vs them. Many who object to the “new normal” are not doing anything different from you, aside from not living in fear of a terrorist color code system.
Can I where I want when I want without a mask after I get vaccinated or will I have to wait for everyone else?
Realistically, you’ll probably have to wait for everyone else. A system to keep track of who should have immunity would require China-grade tracking, where you have to provide proof every time you enter workplaces and such, which is probably worse than just wearing a mask for a couple more months.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2020/11/23/brits-who-test-negative-for-covid-19-could-get-freedom-pass-to-avoid-restrictions/
dont worry
The finger is strong with this one!
🕯🌳This should make a lot of people on this blog happy after months of telling people it’s fake or a conspiracy or don’t wear a mask it doesn’t do anything you got want you want for a second time. Be happy. 🖖🖖
🕯🌳And also get use to the fact that both sides of the issue are tried of being lockdown so by one sides negligence the new breed of snitches will emerge. 👁👁🤔
It’s crazy to think someone would go for a haircut or to get a massage or get their nails done right now. Crazy I tell ya, crazy. But the bars are closed where you could literally be 20 feet away from anyone.
Our bubble appears to have been burst. Or as Billy Baker would say “shit just got real”. This is what it’s been like for the past few weeks everywhere else, and now here.
It’s too late to stop the inevitable. The wave was coming no matter what, and right on time for Thanksgiving.
The good thing is that even though we hate lockdowns, they do work. Countries in Europe that went into lockdown two weeks ago have cut their numbers by 70% and are now coming out of lockdown. Lets hope it goes like that here and not a prolonged lockdown like last spring.
Or these people having fits because they can’t go to the damn gym…. The gym is a breeding pool for a virus
Is the pool also a breeding pool?
Were in the red tier, but the state decided to change us to the purple tier? Manipulation much? Such a joke. What’s the purpose of complying if they just change the rules when they feel like it.
They base it on the numbers from the previous week this time, they used to base it on the numbers from the avg of the previous 2 weeks, but things started accelerating so they adjusted accordingly. We should have likely been red tier a week sooner!
It’s like a sports game only not so fun. When you play offense you have certain rules, when you play defense you have others. At a certain point, our numbers of infected residents indicated that we could continue certain behaviors but nearly as many infected in the last week as were infected in the month of October for Humboldt means the game changed and thus so did the rules. Quite possibly, if more people were better about following the rules, we could continue playing by the earlier rules.
There’s really no way of proving that to be true. Admit it, you use your bully pulpit to push the lies of the establishment. There’s no possible way to determine anything you believe in, except for the expansion of the PSA tests , which say very little about the reality.
Did we shut down for EBola, for H1N1?
How does it feel to be adamant of your own ignorance?
I would argue that there is a simple way of proving it… if people were to cooperate and wear their masks for the good of others, and actually commit to the guidelines for a few weeks. If we all did that and cases go down, it proves that it works, if we do and cases continue to rise, it does not work…
https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/
https://www.youtube.com/
I’m sorry illegible charts that don’t account for the cooperation of the communities or the face that it often takes 2 weeks for measures to take effect aren’t really solid evidence. Do you have any legitimate sources?
The aggregate of the charts in the link clearly show that various government mandates do not correlate with reduced case loads.
It is not controlled data and only shows correlation, but without control groups willing to be infected it’s the best type of data available.
While I understand what you are saying, I am questioning the legitimacy of the site and charts, since it seemed to go down in NY after the “mask vaccine” whatever that is…And whats your opinion on various countries like NZ and South Korea… where it did work?
I dont trust the government whatsoever but do trust science. Its why our gardens thrive and out lifespans continue to grow. Viruses have been killing us since the beginning of time and the fact that we all can pretend like a pandemic is beyond the realm of possibilities is astounding. Wishing you and everyone on this site peace in these ridiculous times, no matter your beliefs or political standings.
Both NZ and South Korea closed their societies completely. It’s tough to cross compare to what amounts to 2 island nations (with North Korea, South Korea is pretty isolated)with disparate populations. There’s only 5 million in NZ and 50 million in SK.
Too many factors are at play.
Similar questions is why have the Nordic countries had low death rates with low mask use while Spain and Italy have been hammered with high mask use?
“I am questioning the legitimacy of the site and charts”
Up until March of this year Faucci and the Surgeon General, based on all the available data, said that masks were ineffective. Why don’t you question that? Has something changed in 7 months, some brand new study we’re unaware of?
The data sources are listed at the bottom of the page for anyone actually interested in seeing them. Ditto on the video, plus he cites the sources CDC, WHO, etc. as he speaks. I don’t believe you are interested in the sources, given the fact that you made no effort to actually find them. Additionally, the charts are perfectly legible.
Data sources:
COVID Tracking Project Data Download: https://covidtracking.com/data/download
Our World in Data: https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data/tree/master/public/data
San Diego Open Data Portal: https://sdgis-sandag.opendata.arcgis.com/search?groupIds=2ee90ba1cdf84381935c591c2a125a45
Orange County, CA: https://data-ocpw.opendata.arcgis.com/search?tags=health
Here’s some more data from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons that you won’t like either, given that it doesn’t comport with your beliefs.
https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/
Would that belief hold up to rigorous scientific review.
We’ve learned from mask studies with a CONTROL GROUP, that the infection rates were similar between those wore masks and those who did not.
You make a presumption based on an assertion that common sense would indicate that masks are effective, and all the increased positive tests are a result of mask less individuals, yet you have no concrete evidence that would pass a legal complaint in front of a judge, yet we are In a place where people still believe in the false presumption of efficacy in masks.
Do you think that a scientific standard has been met to support your argument , when you have no statistical data backingup your assertion.
Imagine if all this lockdown is aimed at our vulnerabilities, and inability to discern between the good people who are without strong scientific data to back up poor management of a flu virus.
Is it worth the devastating effects on the society?
I believe that temporarily reducing social interaction can help along with masks. From the start of this pandemic I have known people that have not abided, gathering in large groups, not wearing masks etc. I am just pointing out that if we actually all tried, as a community, than maybe it would work. Doesn’t it make sense to try, with everyone on board? I agree, if 6 months go by. No change in cases, then sure “rebel”. But acting as a community and attempting to actually follow guidelines for a short time has not happened since the beginning. We all know that to be true. Ill continue to try my best, and I think its comforting knowing that some members of our community possess the empathy to do the same.
I would be open and interested to seeing LEGITIMATE scientific sources and studies on the inefficacy of masks, as opposed to random YouTube pages and websites that usually get posted. Following guidelines seemed to work for countries like SK and NZ no?
I agree with some of what you have said. I agree, that the powers that be are CONSTANTLY working to make us look at eachother as the problem when in reality we as a community are stronger than them. Two wings of the same bird. Also I agree that maybe, just maybe it is too early to have scientific data- for either side of the argument.
That being said, if the science is still out as you say, why not cooperate in the meantime, and be there for eachother as a community instead of sewing deeper division, which is what they want in the end anyway?
My point stands that we should do everything we think might work until we know for sure, which is masks, distancing, washing hands frequently( which i will be the first to admit I tend to slack on) etc.
It’s inconvenient yes, the financial but moreso the emotional impact has been incredibly hard on, I believe, most of us. But things will return to normal eventually. We just have to bridge the gap and work together. ✌
Brendan, here are the studies you requested:
5 NIH/National Library of Medicine studies from 2004-2020 all finding verifiable health effects from wearing a face mask, including scientifically verified reduction is blood oxygen level:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29395560/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32590322/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15340662/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26579222/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31159777/
Cloth Mask Study
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/
SOME of the mask studies on efficacy:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047217v2
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214
https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5779801/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19216002/
https://aaqr.org/articles/aaqr-13-06-oa-0201.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bio/23/2/23_61/_pdf/-char/en
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01658736
https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/0195-6701(91)90148-2/pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2493952/pdf/annrcse01509-0009.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20200717141836/https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data
https://www.nap.edu/catalog/25776/rapid-expert-consultation-on-the-effectiveness-of-fabric-masks-for-the-covid-19-pandemic-april-8-2020
https://www.nap.edu/read/25776/chapter/1#6
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/54/7/789/202744
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6599448/
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00392-020-01704-y
https://clinmedjournals.org/articles/jide/journal-of-infectious-diseases-and-epidemiology-jide-6-130.php?jid=jide
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1130147308702355
And what study would that be? Would it be the one from years before the current virus that only studied masked hospital workers vs unmasked hospital workers catching viruses from (never masked) patients? And that has been shown to not apply to either the current virus nor to using masks on the infected person?
There have been multiple studies, with good statistical data, showing masks work. You’ve just ignored them.
Blueprint and Brendan
Great debate! Nice to see people talking things out.
From what I’ve seen people have been cooperative in most places. However there are cultural areas where people haven’t or never will.
Even the so called anti maskers have complied while arguing against the co partner of the virus which is a government and power, money play.
People have difference experiences wearing masks, for some it’s a breeze while it makes others hyperventilate.
The capacity for expanding authority to mandate will not work
Ah, Ms. Kemp, you pro-establishment bully you…Wishing you and yours the happiest of Thanksgivings! 🙂
Peanut, Wishing you and yours a Happy Thanksgiving!
Liebowski,
I am totally bewildered how me commenting in the comment section is me using my bully pulpit effectively–shouldn’t I just write columns if I want to push my ideas from on high, instead of engage in a conversation?
As to shutting down for Swine Flu…I don’t know…could it be how many people died?
“From April 12, 2009 until April 10, 2010, the CDC estimates that up to 60.8 million people were infected with swine flu. That flu led to an estimated 274,304 hospitalizations, and, according to estimates, 12,469 deaths over the course of that year.” https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/swine-flu-vs-covid-19
And Ebola had 11,325 deaths GLOBALLY.
Just to refresh your memory the US has had over 265,000 deaths in nine months from COVID and that is, of course, with the shutdown. Many more would have died without it.
“This order requires residents to refrain from gathering with non-household members and stop any non-essential activities between 10 p.m. and 5 a.m. Members of the same household may leave their home during this time as long as they do not interact with other households, and activities related to “the operation, maintenance, or usage of critical infrastructure” are exempt, according to the state’s order.”
Between 10pm and 5am? Are those high risk hours … ? So you can leave your house in the middle of the night as long as you don’t go to someone else’s house…got it!
Are you assuming I’m pro curfew? Because you know what they say about assuming…
You know, if you don’t like this site or the person who runs it, you could always leave.
The establishment?
WTF do you care about “The Establishment”?
Give me a definition that doesn’t reek of cuckoo, as to what “The Establishment” is.
I dare you.
Then look at the ebola and H1N1 numbers, and ask if we shut down then.
The “But, whatabout?!?!” game doesn’t detract from the current issue.
The numbers are solid.
The science is sound.
What about homeless people?
They’re immune for some reason
I was talking to a druggie I know, I went to south fork so I know a few, and he told me meth makes you immune to getting sick. He swore by it. Said he never got sick one time in ten years, you still get hepatitis and that crap though.
💯☮
No the way others that traveled and had parties screwed us!
And protested rioted etc. funny how at just in the 10 to 14 day window that has past since the election , no one seems to be blaming this on those events that drew large crowds related to it.
Actually, I believe a lot of people ARE citing Halloween and the election as a reason for the increase in cases. That’s the whole reason there was a push for mail in voting…🤦♂️
I’d like to start by saying thanks to all the folks who made this Purple possible:
— those who refused to take this seriously because a moronic “Leader” told them not to.
— those who claim not wearing a mask is a Constitutional right (it isn’t).
— those who said it’s only the elderly who are going to die so they can’t be bothered.
— those who won’t enforce simple health mandates because they didn’t make them (that means you Honsal, amongst others).
— those who steadfastly maintain it’s a hoax, or a scam, or a conspiracy by liberals to convert everyone to communism (there’s stupid and then there’s utterly moronic which includes these folks).
— those snowflakes who fear that doing simple things to protect others will somehow weaken themselves.
— those who feel like suggestions for masks and distancing and reducing travel are “for other people” and continue on with their vacations and gatherings.
— those who feel like their religion demands that they gather together to spread the virus.
— those who feel like having a family reunion or a wedding right now is more important than protecting the participants and folks they come in contact with from infection.
— those who think a motorcycle rally with open bars and no mask requirements in the middle of virus outbreak was a good idea.
— those who think killing only 2% of the people infected means it isn’t worth their time to wear a mask.
— those who think this is only the flu and since we don’t do anything for that (we do, called vaccines), we shouldn’t do anything for this.
— those who dig up and distort science studies or outdated quotes to support not doing simple things to limit the spread.
— and let’s not forget those who think doing anything at all to limit the spread is an attack on their personal freedom and the American way of life despite a quarter of a million Americans dead from the virus already and what looks like 1000 to 2000 a day for the next couple of months at least.
For all of you, you can thank yourselves for ending up where we are today.
The rest of you who have been doing all of the simple things and dealing with all of the asshats listed above for the last 9 months have my actual thanks. It’s not worth anything and you’ll have to keep it up (both the simple things and dealing with the asshats) but you genuinely do have my thanks for this Thanksgiving. At least I’m still here to see it. So far.
Right there with you…
I am going to continue to not wear a mask.
Neither is my friends or my family going to wear a mask.
Truth is, we dont care at all about the rest of you that are scared.
Im my perspective this is all total BS, and is a fake pandemic, its not a threat to any of us.
Therefore people like myself will continue to disobey all of these rules, anyone who doesnt like it is welcomed to try and stop me and will fail miserably.
Turns out i am in control, i have freedom and nothing you say or do can stop me.
I will continue to do everything as normal and none of these fake covid rules will stop me.
I WILL NOT COMPLY!
Have fun being scared of nothing!
99.8% recovery rate!
Shouldn’t we remove our masks after surviving covid? Should there be fear of social stigma? I don’t know just how to say it, but wearing a mask just because of being “cowed” stinks.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
👍👍👍👍👍
Lets not forget all the people that may die because the hospitals are filled up and they are not able to get immediate care that they may need. People with diseases, heart attacks, strokes, cancer, accidents, etc.
Over 2,000 people will have died in the last 24 hours of Covid-19, when the clock strikes midnight tonight! Do the right things so we can turn this around!
life will go on regardless of lock downs or masks or not. Hiding in fear is not life.
Except, you know, for all those people for whom life doesn’t go on. 266,000 and counting.
It seems to me like the people that are denying that this pandemic is real and won’t acknowledge there are things we can do to try to keep each other from being infected, are actually the ones living in fear. They just won’t believe it! They just can’t go there.
Bfase- Your right, It’s not my job or my fault, it’s my opinion. And we all know I’m entitled to that. No one needs to be censored on a open blog. You have spread around plenty of your beliefs this evening. Your job is not to go around and correct everyone else.
People are dying for fear of going to the hospital when they should because they might become infected. Suicide rates are up too. Overdoses, delayed cancer screenings, domestic violence, etc. Lockdowns or even obsessing over covid-19 has its deaths and debiliations too. There is such a thing as keeping a moderate view that actions, no actions and reactions all have their associated problems.
Don’t forget that we have “only” as many covid deaths as we do because lockdowns have slowed the spread to where hospitals usually aren’t overloaded, bought us time to develop new treatments and find drugs that reduce deaths, and so forth.
🕯🌳BRAVO Cy.🖖🖖
Thank you
Cy, pointing fingers at this point is meaningless IMO. Whats done is done, and for those who were one of the people listed they probably dont care anyway, which was always the problem.
We deal with the situation as is is the best we can do. We are going to see what the rest of the world has been going through and we need as much positivity as we can squeeze out of the batteries to get us through it. I’m going out on a limb to say that the strain has mutated again and become more infectious. God help us if it also became more lethal like D614G.
“You’re either with us or you’re against us.” -GHW Bush
Yeah cause we’re all so lucky to have a corrupt inept socialist government take over. liberals can’t even run their own states maybe you should look at your own fearless ca leader who allows edd to send millions in unemployment benefits to death row in mates like Scott Peterson etc. you socialists are disgusting. #stopthesteal
Our governor is not personally responsible for processing unemployment claims. That a small number of claims were fraudulent is to be expected with how many claims were filed providing a good opportunity to slip them in. 22 people are currently being prosecuted for filing fraudulent claims for prisoners… because the law is catching up.
How are “liberals” not running the state?
The most corrupt and inept government I’ve seen in a long time has been for the last four years, and is currently totally failing to steal another four.
Well you are right about one thing, the last four years of government has been the most corrupt, but that’s always the case. Every four years. With out fail.
No blame on China in your rant? weird! Considering blame should be put 100% on them.
Would you like to explain how China is responsible for a virus jumping from animals to humans?
There are many who believe the virus is a naturally occurring one that has been intentionally modified by humans in a lab.
Idk maybe dont eat fucking bats let’s face it china is fucked they are eating sharks into extinction so they can get a “boner”
I’m pretty sure God did this.
Rite on!
💯
Well said , well said Cy Anse
Cy Anse,
QBAFI
I’d like to start by saying thanks to all the folks who made this Purple possible:
those who are members of the covid cult, invariably liberals, who cheer on these devastating lock downs
those who elect democrats and embrace authoritarianism
those who would gladly steal my rights at the point of a government gun
those who are too stupid to even know what liberty means
those who point fingers at those of us that recognize “the science” on masks DOES NOT recognize their efficacy
https://rationalground.com/data/
those who ignore the places that didn’t impose strict lockdowns and ultimately suffered no worse
https://www.youtube.com/
those who are so fucking busy moralizing that they are too lazy to evaluate data that doesn’t support their view, yet they swear they’re right (invariably liberals)
those who act like shutting down the country doesn’t have a cost, doesn’t kill people
those who act as if it was just as simple as wearing masks and everything would have been fine, DESPITE THE EVIDENCE to the contrary in places with the most draconian mask mandates and lockdowns, WHO ARE ALSO SEEING SPIKES! Virus gonna virus dumbasses!
For all of you, you can thank yourselves. Your intellectual laziness and lack of a spinal cord is how we wound up where we are today.
The rest of you, 1911, Ullr, end of story and countless others have my actual thanks for tirelessly attempting, although in vain, to enlighten the asshats listed above. We are still a kind of free country, at least for now
Psst, you should also point out that the 2 percent is ten times over exaggerated. Kinda takes away from someone calling people morons when they don’t even know numbers.
There’s increasing amounts of data from reliable sources showing that masks work. There’s even data from multiple entirely unrelated methodologies, including animal studies, not just observations of human populations.
I don’t think anyone cheers on lockdowns.
Is it authoritarianism to tell you not to drink and drive? To not randomly discharge your firearm in a populated area? To not dump toxic waste in city sewers? To tell you to take precautions not to spread a deadly disease?
Everyone knows shutdowns have a cost. That cost is a lot less than hundreds of thousands or millions of lives.
You seem to be assuming that causation and correlation are both the same and only go one direction. Have you considered the possibility that places with the strongest lockdowns and mask requirements are doing it reactively to increasing cases? You know, like how we’re now moving to purple, with increased requirements, directly because of increasing cases? Saying that the strongest restrictions don’t work because they have high case rates is utterly nonsensical when you consider that the restrictions are implemented after the case rates.
How about the countries that implemented strict lockdowns promptly and avoided widespread infection?
How about those people who are so fucking busy moralizing about their freedom to kill others that they are too lazy to evaluate actual data instead of fictional data and yet swear they’re right (invariably religious whackjobs)?
Please link to a study which show the use of masks (N95’s are considered respirators)by the general public are an effective control measure in real world settings.
https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article246781727.html
I also think this is really fascinating–animated graph that shows the deaths per million in states with Republican or Democratic leaning governments.
The majority of the top death states are Republican which seems to indicate that the mask mandate is helpful though of course isn’t proof of that.
https://dangoodspeed.com/covid/total-deaths-since-july
A zero value chart… but a good way to further polarization of the US.
https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-uscellular-us-revc&source=android-browser&q=science+of+masks
Top hit on your spam link:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html
Guess how many of these are controlled studies… zero.
Here’s a short critique on that very CDC paper:
https://rationalground.com/cdcs-sloppy-scientific-brief-adds-nothing-to-the-evidence-for-masks/
Zero value? You ask for indications that restrictions are working. I show you states that are having more deaths over a five month span. Those that are more likely to have COVID restrictions in place have less deaths per million than those that aren’t.
As a whole, mask mandates and social distancing are more commonly followed in Democratic areas> “Using the geotracking data of 15 million smartphones per day, we found that US counties that voted for Donald Trump (Republican) over Hillary Clinton (Democrat) in the 2016 presidential election exhibited 14% less physical distancing between March and May 2020…Finally, the observed partisan differences in distancing were associated with subsequently higher COVID-19 infection and fatality growth rates in pro-Trump counties. Taken together, these data suggest that US citizens’ responses to COVID-19 are subject to a deep—and consequential—partisan divide.https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-00977-7
It has zero value because it’s correlating death rates with a weak data point. Just because it is a “red” or “blue” state does not indicate the mask wearing rate. It’s useless data.
Also, as the presidential election demonstrated, polling data is suspect.
Ullr, well, you and top scientists across the world are in disagreement.
Are you saying “top scientists across the world” believe in a single data point study correlating voting propensity and covid death rates? That is total nonsense.
It’s a correlation chart, not a study. Here’s a plethora of the same charts illustrating the opposite conclusion… not to say it didn’t work for Kansas, but the problem is dynamic and I doubt any one factor is going to illustrate anything conclusively.
https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/
When it comes to the general public, all you get is correlation. There simply is no feasible way to conduct a proper study of mask effectiveness in real world conditions by the public at large. Even the Danish study was rife with problems because of the variability in how the different groups used (or didn’t use) masking combined with other behavioral factors.
As a result, we end up going with the best combination of controlled condition studies that show masks are effective at reducing viral loads, both exhaled and inhaled, and models of what that impact might be under different conditions. And the general consensus of the scientific community, by a large margin, is that decent masks (multi-layer fine weave cloth or cloth/filter combinations) do contribute to the reduction in viral transmission at the population level.
That’s pretty much all we can expect at this point. It’ll no doubt evolve over time as more studies are conducted but that’s where we are. Continuing to say that because there’s no concrete evidence of them working at the population level is a reason to not use them seems counter-productive at best.
Well said.
Again, a plethora of correlation charts in the link above, but they prove nothing. You can’t do single variable charts to a dynamic problem and expect to get good data.
Ullr will be the one guy on the plane who breaks his neck and nose in turbulance.
There’s always that one person, where everyone has their face to palm, embarrassed to be a human.
The Captain put the seatbelts sign on.
Everyone listened.
Except the one guy who felt threatened by friendly advice that is common sense, logical and proven.
No. The seatbelt request was tyranny, obviously.
🤦♂️
I stay away from public transportation.
🕯🌳So who’s to blame for it this time? According to certain people it’s always one political party, but there not the na sayers.🖖🖖
I didn’t wear a mask when I was showering so, this is probably partially my fault.
Trump’s vaccine will distribute December 11th saving our great country. Herd immunity by May. Joe Biden needn’t change the current plan in any way.
🕯🌳For only 20,000,000 high risk Americans and that’s nobody here, maybe. Then there won’t be anymore until about April. And it takes two shots at about a month apart. 🖖🖖
Trump did not create any vaccines. Trump strongly resisted taking the actions that would have created them, and only relented when forced to. And, the vaccine we’re likely to get first, isn’t even part of the program he eventually did create.
Trump’s vaccine…? Trump doesn’t give a f*ck about you, or Covid! It was all just an act of twisted words and lies to entertain and keep his loyal followers captivated…ya’ll would believe anything! Like how he had and was miraculously cured of Covid in three days! Ya’ll actually believed that…”see it wasn’t so bad” routine. He says one thing, yet in reality what he’s doing is sabotage, he’s creating the problem! Now that he’s failed miserably, he’s not even pretending to care, because he doesn’t! Little Bo Tweet has abandoned his sheep…
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/11/trump-has-been-skipping-white-house-covid-meetings-for-months/amp
Whose not wearing a mask? The one lady I read about at Costco? Is she responsible for all this? She’s the only person I’ve seen without a mask. The virus is here it’s not leaving. You can lock the country down for 100 years and when you come out of lock down the cases will surge again. You are either going to get the vaccine or there’s an 85% chance that wou will become infected with covid sometime in your life. That’s just the statistical nature of a virus like this. Vaccine or infection or hide for the rest of your life
I saw two just today when I was in the grocery store.
Hi, Kym. Thanks for your unrelenting dedication and hard work over the years. 👏🏽👏🏽
There was a woman and her young daughter wearing their masks below their nose in a local grocery store because “…The only way to get immunity is to get it, and get over it. It’s what we’ve been doing for decades.” I shook my head, turned and walked to a checkout stand as quickly as I could get there.
IMO it’s unbelievable arrogance to expose others in public places. To personally spread your theory of herd immunity? At what cost of life? And front line workers? And ill effects for survivors? And the economy? And…
Wouldn’t that be considered a public nuisance? Please?
I’d say maybe 10% of people I see aren’t wearing masks or aren’t wearing them properly. Gas station clerks seem exceptionally resistant to them – I’ve seen three without them lately. I was at a store the other day where the cashier was not wearing one, and also did not sanitize their hands between snacking and bagging customers’ groceries. Random shoppers at all types of stores. A (to go only) restaurant employee with a valved mask. Lots of business employees who only put one on when immediately interacting with someone else wearing one, then touch it to remove it and touch that person’s stuff the first chance they get. No sign of masks at a couple construction companies’ offices. Some businesses where the person who interacts with customers wears one, but none of the other employees have them on. Law enforcement, according to recent photos on this site. Most businesses do not refuse service to customers not wearing them.
I don’t personally object to people not wearing them while outside walking dogs and such, as the current data suggests that’s pretty low risk. But all these people are indoors, either interacting with the public or other employees, directly, for significant periods of time, which is what’s been shown to have the highest risk, and not taking any precautions at all.
Well first of all, those employees shouldn’t be at work if they are sick! I work with the same people everyday, there have been zero cases of Covid in our community. So no, we don’t wear masks when we’re interacting with each other because we know we don’t have Covid. Tourists from the city are our biggest threat. So ya, when you walk up, we’ll put on a mask because you’re the risk, not us!
And today, went to a store… An employee with a mask on their chin, s customer with no mask, and an employee yelling at people for standing too far apart in line, telling them to stand closer together because the line was too long and getting in the way of the rest of the shoppers they were cramming into the store.
Yes, really.
I know it’s a terrible thing to say but maybe this is God’s way of weeding out the garden, so to speak. You get rid of the weak or dying plants in order to maintain a healthy, productive garden…the sick and the elderly are mainly the targets of this virus. 🤔
Yep, that’s a terrible thing to say. Those sick and elderly are loved and may be contributing members of society in many ways.
I agree, their lives are much more valuable than the working poor, independent business owners, those needing regular medical care, the hundreds of millions/billions that live hand to mouth around the world such as the all encompassing tourist industry workers of the world. Heck i know medical workers who were among those layed off during this “major pandemic” but they all understand its for the greater good im sure. not everyone is so kind and great of a person so as to be able to understand this. But hey,
“This is a planned, organized partial shutdown of the U.S. economy in the second quarter,”
I’ve decided your life doesn’t matter. I get to make this decision. Isn’t it nice that we get to make these decisions for others?
thing is what i said was sarcasm, what you said was irony.
Fact is you’re life dont matter to me if you’re scared stay home but I’ll be damned if I let a bunch of old and aids riddled humans tell me what to do I’m healthy and for not even washing my hands after shopping since this started yet to get covid I wear a mask in stores because its private property other than that my life didn’t change one bit and wont
An inconvenient truth.
Yes, thank you to all the selfish creeps in Winco today who weren’t wearing masks. My parents are both in their 80’s, live in Eureka, and are (happily) fairly independent people. They should be able to go to the store without worrying that some jerk who can’t be bothered to be safe is going to kill them with their Covid germs.
Every single person in Arcata is wearing a mask literally. And we have the most cases in the county
Right!
Arcata Safeway recently, cracked out lady with no mask trying to buy beer in self checkout.
So, no.
Hey ChettoBrah, I double dog dare you to sign your real name to your comments.
Have you considered that ChettoBrah may not be serious?
🕯🌳Like some have pointed out come to Fortuna set on the bench across from the Playroom or the fake yoga place or just walk down the street you’ll see plenty and that includes police officers. 🖖🖖But since they will be closing down but still having their private parties in the fake yoga place.👁👁
I will proudly take the bidenVax when it’s available
Biden’s so efficient that his vaccine will be available before he’s in office.
I second SusanCombes comment to Chettobrah…she beat me to it. Or–were we supposed to assume Chettobrah was being sarcastic? Given what I’ve seen on this comment thread recently, I’m not so sure.
Kym, Has the health officer ever mentioned how many cycles are being run for the PCR test that is spitting out all these positive results that are being called “cases”. My understanding is the standard is 40 to 45. Is this something can be asked of the health officer?
By Fauci’s admission, anything over 35 cycles is not reliable.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/newly-surfaced-video-july-fauci-tests-dead-virus
Fauci himself said that “What is now sort of evolving into a bit of a standard,” Fauci said, is that “if you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more … the chances of it being replication-confident are minuscule.”
“It’s very frustrating for the patients as well as for the physicians,” he continued, when “somebody comes in, and they repeat their PCR, and it’s like [a] 37 cycle threshold, but you almost never can culture virus from a 37 threshold cycle.”
“So, I think if somebody does come in with 37, 38, even 36, you got to say, you know, it’s just dead nucleotides, period.”
Fauci noted that patients who receive a positive COVID-19 diagnosis are not immediately given the cycle threshold of their test. “When someone comes in and it’s positive, they don’t give them the threshold until you go back and ask for it,” he said.
Here’s a short video of Kary Mullins (inventor of the PCR test) explaining how it can, essentially, find almost any virus in anyone with enough cycles and it doesn’t, in anyway, indicate if someone is sick from the virus.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmZft4fXhQQ
He’s kinda hard to understand, talking fast like that.
Ullr, when the PCR test came out didn’t they tout it as almost 100% accurate. Or 95. If they can be that accurate, and they know its covid, why wouldn’t they classify the person as infected. I think thats what you’re saying but I’m not sure. I’m just trying to understand the PCR test. Like I said I couldn’t get alot from the video. Way too fast a thinker and talker, couldn’t keep up.
the lockdowns are relying on these tests to increase the growing authority, if these tests are questionable like the masks, could it be possible that we are being manipulated?
What good is it to shut down the independent livelihoods of America.
It’s only a 3+ minute video. Perhaps watch it again. What he’s saying is the test is extremely reliable but the results don’t show if you’re infected or have ever been infected. It can pick up a single strand of RNA from a virus but that doesn’t show that the person is infected or has been infect or is contagious or ever will be contagious. The more cycles the test is run, the more likely it will find minute viral amounts.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pcr-idUSKBN24420X
“It is important to note that detecting viral material by PCR does not indicate that the virus is fully intact and infectious, i.e. able to cause infection in other people. The isolation of infectious virus from positive individuals requires virus culture methods. These methods can only be conducted in laboratories with specialist containment facilities and are time consuming and complex.”
A spokesperson for Public Health England
From your link
Researcher, on most videos you can adjust the playback speed. You can watch at 75% speed or something like that.
Given as the majority of people who test positive either have or develop symptoms (60% or so, depending on which studies you look at), we can rule out any false positive rate higher than 40% right off the bat. Many people receive multiple tests, and not many are positive then negative, again showing a low false positive rate. Doesn’t matter what theory you come up with, it can’t contradict existing data.
It’s my understanding that both of the main testing procedures have a higher rate of false negatives than positives, so that should rule out the false positive concerns.
Aren’t false negatives more problematic?
Yes, which is why anyone exhibiting symptoms needs to assume they have it and isolate, even if they have a negative test.
It is absolutely communist to conform with this type of citizen control.
We are inching closer towards 1910-20s northern europe every day. History repeats itself but its not always good history that repeats.
Damn commies and their citizen control. I should be able to walk around shooting people if I so please! It’s my god-given right, and I damn well want to use it!
No, actually every country in this world has made murder a crime. Go figure.
🕯🌳Sweden is now back tracking on its herd immunity projects because of a surge in cases in the younger population. 🖖🖖
Masks are “Health Theater”. “Purple” is arbitrary.
I really hope the tax base tanks and .Gov finally gets a hair cut. Oh wait, the laws don’t apply to them and taxes are going up. Party time at City Hall (behind closed doors where masks aren’t worn and the sheeple. Any see them).
A whole bunch of healthy people who will be little affected generally now carry the virus (despite masks for months & if the tests are accurate)…
SHUT DOWN THE ECONOMY! SUSPEND FUNDAMENTAL LIBERTIES!
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That image has been spammed a number of times. Sure looks to me like you’re trying really hard to suggest that we need to upgrade the mask requirement to specify NIOSH-approved respirators instead of just facial coverings.
Be sure to call the cops on your neighbors if they have guests for Thanksgiving or start drinking alcohol.
Can you explain this to me, cause it sure doesn’t look like dems believe what they preach.
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After decades advocating for action on climate change as a U.S. senator and then secretary of state, John Kerry has been tapped for a newly created post — special presidential envoy for climate, based on the National Security Council.
“America will soon have a government that treats the climate crisis as the urgent national security threat it is,” Kerry said on Twitter shortly after the announcement by President-elect Joe Biden’s transition team. “The climate crisis demands nothing less than all hands on deck.”
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https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/11/23/938150511/john-kerry-tapped-for-newly-created-role-as-presidential-climate-envoy
and then….
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John Kerry Is Trading Nantucket for Martha’s Vineyard
The former U.S. senator and secretary of state put his Nantucket home up for sale last year and just purchased a house on Martha’s Vineyard.
The former U.S. senator and secretary of state purchased a seven-bedroom waterfront house dating to 1924 in the Chilmark neighborhood of Martha’s Vineyard in March, the Vineyard Gazette first reported. It’s a signal that the longtime Nantucket fixture plans to trade the Grey Lady in for the Vineyard.
John Kerry House Martha’s Vineyard
Kerry reportedly paid $11.75 million for this house on 18.5 acres overlooking Vineyard Sound.
Wallace & Co. Sotheby’s International Realty
Kerry, 73, has been a Nantucket regular for decades; he married his wife, Teresa Heinz, on the island, and she has owned a home there since 1982. That property has been on the market with an asking price of $25 million since last spring.
So why the switch from one preppy summer enclave to its slightly larger counterpart?
“John Kerry loves the outdoor activities,” Trish Bridier, who co-owns the store that created Nantucket Reds, Murray’s Toggery Shop, told the Boston Globe. “The Vineyard had beautiful bike paths and bigger forests.”
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https://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/real-estate/a9571432/john-kerry-marthas-vineyard/
Seriously not what I would do if I believe in climate change, you know move right up close to the rising seas.
I seriously want to know how you see this stuff and then pretend ….well you know what you pretend.
Hard to treat you more like fools than this, I can hear him laughing as I type. But hey, It’s a nice cushy job and you get to hang in the best EU luxury hotels at taxpayer expense.
Now apply this to covid lock downs cause you know, do as I say not as I do, right?
OK.
I give up.
What’s your secret point?
So… I don’t get it. Because he believes in human-caused climate change, like virtually all scientists agree on and everyone else should too, he shouldn’t own a house in martha’s vinyard? Do houses there cause more greenhouse gas emissions than houses elsewhere? He’s moving from an island to an island, is the new island going to take more fuel to commute from? He’s selling a $25m house to move to a $17m house; will he be spending the resulting $8m on flaring off oil for fun? He’s going to drive a big diesel truck down those forests and bike paths? Or is it just that he’s filthy rich and may or may not deserve the house he’s buying, and… thus must be harming the environment?
EDIT: You’ve greatly enlarged your post with a bunch of spam, but it doesn’t change anything I said.
LOL
What spam I didn’t change or add any links.
Just added quotes from the links at NPR and T and C.
Didn’t the left whine and cry about Trump using inherited money?
If the sea is rising at an alarming rate you might want to be a tad inland.
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Not All scientists agree some scientists think other factors such as magnetic pole shifts, sun spots, play a part. Also scientists work on theories not facts.
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Like other commenters I dont see your point?
I looked at the article and there is a picture of the house sitting on a cliff overlooking the water. Sea level rise will not effect that house in John Kerry’s lifetime with the highest scientific projections being correct. Living by a rising sea safely above it doesn’t prove or disprove any crackpot conspiracy on climate change or sea-level rise. Btw, Kerry is married to the hier of the Hienz food empire who is a billionaire. I’m sure they can afford to move where /whenever they’d like to and you support them everytime you’ve eaten/eat hienz ketchup or mustard.
I need more stimulus. I am not getting stimulated enough. Do I have to stimulate myself? Show me some money!
I find it interesting that as a society we impose fines for endangering other’s lives with activities like running stop lights or drunk driving and nothing for super spreading events or public covid negligence. Suggestions are nice, but lots of people would drive recklessly 100+mph on the freeway or blow through stop signs if there were no one writing tickets. This thing is rapidly closing in on 300k deaths and we’ve yet to have any enforcement at all to deter spread. Many tickets are written everyday for public safety issues and zero for this.
From my perspective on fines
Those than are poor or can’t afford a fine just won’t pay.
The wealthy don’t care cause paying it is a minor expense, like a meal at a French Laundry.
The criminals are being released from prisons and jails, and the poor are being made criminals.
The connected just have it fixed.
The US just set another record. 7 day average is 174,000 new cases per day.
What is a “case”?
never before in medicine has someone been labeled a “case” without symptoms.
The testing methods and new criteria for “case” label is fueling these numbers.
Also, If someone receives a positive test (new case), then later re-tests positive……….that is counted as a “NEW CASE”…….and so-on.
The United States had nearly 2,100 deaths yesterday, not seen since longer than six months ago, May 6th.
There are a record 88K hospitalized.
The cops don’t support your police state! Jokes on you Democrat’s.
If anyone doubts that lockdowns dont work go to this site, https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
go down the list of countries until you get to Belgium, click on it and check the bottom right hand corner where the daily cases is. Youll see that they peaked at 22,000 new cases 18 days ago, implemented a two week lockdown and they are now at 1,500 new cases per day, over 90% reduction, and can now move to a different startegy.