‘We Are In A Huge Surge’: Mendocino County PHO Addresses A Rise in COVID-19 Cases, Curfews, and a New Round of Closures

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On Friday, November 20, 2020, Mendocino County Public Health Officer Dr. Andy Coren held a virtual press conference providing an update on the state of COVID-19 in Mendocino County. Redheaded Blackbelt and other local media asked questions about these and other concerns.

[Note: There is a lot of information in this press conference. We will highlight in blue any particularly important responses]

 Opening Remarks from Public Health Officer Dr. Andy Coren: 

  • The total cases in Mendocino County as of November 19, 2020, was 1,368. 822 of those ill (or 61.5%) were from the Latino community. On 11/19 alone there were 30 more cases, one was Native American. The doubling time for our community is calculated to be 6 days. 186 [people] in quarantine, 106 in isolation, and the number of individuals hospitalized as of 11/19 were 9 people, none of whom were from the Latino community. There are no individuals in the ICU. We have five Mendocino County locals hospitalized in the county. Two of the hospitalized in Mendocino County are from outside the county. Three Mendocino County residents are currently outside of the county receiving care from rehabilitation centers. The total number of deaths in our community from COVID-19 is 22. Our case rate is 8/ per day. That is 47% higher than just two weeks ago. Earlier in the week, the number was 3 times higher than two weeks ago.
  • We are now in the purple tier along with 41 other counties. Nearly all of California counties have gone back 1-2 tiers. The Governor applied what he called an “emergency brake.” Tiers changed back immediately and only using four days average worth of data. There is no implementation lag time. Purple tier for us means outdoor only for places of worship, restaurants, gyms, personal care (nail and hair can still be indoors). Indoor retail is cut to 25% capacity. Schools that did open during the brief time we were in the red, and the ones that have been open due to filing a waiver, may stay open. Small groups for children that need IEPs, language assistance, continue but the rest continue distance learning.
  • This is because we are in a huge surge. This surge appears to just be beginning. US deaths from COVID-19 over 10 months is over 250,000 people. Over 70 years of wars in the United States, we have not lost that many people. In fact that is 2.5 times more than American lives lost back to WWII. Nationally we’re breaking records everyday. Consistently we’re exceeding 150,000 new cases/day for the last week. That is a 250% increase over three weeks. In California, we now see over 10,000 new cases per day using a seven day average. The hospitalization rate is 63% in our state, ICU utilization is up 40.5% over the last 14 days. It is this acceleration of the pandemic that has us all worried in the health fields. It is accelerating at a rate that is 2.5 times faster than the surges we saw in June and July and the numbers are much bigger now. In California, the cases are mostly driven by Los Angeles, which has a 147% increase over the last two weeks. In Madera County, a smaller county in rural Central California, they saw a 460% increase over two weeks. At this rate, Mendocino County could run out of intensive care unit beds in two weeks. We’ve gotten transfers already from counties south of us who have already run out of hospital beds. This is mostly related to the lack of health care workers who also get sick. 
  • We now know that we’re seeing 12% of new cases wind up in the hospital 2-3 weeks later. We know that it is cold, wet weather that drives people indoors where germs transfer to one another easily. This germ especially likes cold weather and survives longer on cold surfaces and in a suspended state in aerosols. This is a season of holidays that are opportunities for people to gather and germs to spread. 
  • On November 19, 2020, the California Secretary of Health announced a new targeted response to purple tier counties called the “Limited Temporary Stay-at-Home Order.” This means residents are staying at home from 10:00 p.m.-5:00 a.m. At those times you can go out to get food, groceries or takeout, go out to get medications or walk the dog. All the essential services are able to be open. This puts relatively small limits on most of us but it does limit spread in those key hours when gatherings are more associated with use of substances and loss of inhibitions resulting in the spread of germs. This will be from November 21-December 21 and then it will be reevaluated. More changes may be needed. 
  • Regarding outbreaks, we had an outbreak in juvenile hall which has been mitigated and was relatively small. There was an outbreak in Redwood Cove Nursing Facility that has been very quickly contained with relatively few cases. This past week we had an outbreak at Noyo harbor Inn with very few cases. The business closed, cleaned thoroughly, and are working with public health who are facilitating outbreak testing. These outbreaks are quickly controlled because of the diligence and exemplary cooperation with business management. 
  • Today, there was another outbreak that was reported in a board and care facility. Again, outbreak testing will be going forward. We have a great outbreak testing team. When they call, please be forthright with them and give them your information. If you have questions about businesses or a citizen, contact the Call Center at 707-472-2759.
  • Outbreaks are not responsible for the vast majority of cases. There is no specific industry that we have identified. The majority continue to be community spread and close contacts. Many are home clusters. Analysis of our data over the past month shows that more than 50% of new cases were spread in the home. This has to do with failure to quarantine correctly. 
  • Bekkie Emery, Director of Mendocino County Social Services: Quarantine has been defined as closer than 6 feet for up to 15 minutes in a 24 hour period. This is different than previously, specifically 15 minutes rather than 10. The 15 minutes are not required to be continuous. It could be three interactions of 5 minutes in one day. Individuals in quarantine should be separating entirely from anyone in isolation. Also, whenever possible, they should be separating entirely from other people that are in quarantine in their household. If the household doesn’t allow for the separations, we encourage residents to use our alternative care sites to help support keeping family safe. We do recognize that there are some situations where people cannot separate such as a parent and a child. In these situations, individuals in quarantine that are unable to be separate need to wear a mask and maintain a social distance of six feet whenever possible. All flat services and restrooms must be cleaned between uses and disposable dishes/utensils are encouraged. At the end of the quarantine, it is recommended individuals get a COVID-19 test. That recommendation is suggested for those that are released from quarantine, not those released from isolation. 
  • Testing services have been a big concern for residents in the last month. It is improving. The new OptumServe program will continue at the fairgrounds. As of November 21, 2020, it will be open 7 days/week. We also have other contracts we’ll be getting after Thanksgiving to avail testing opportunities throughout the county. Please get tested. If you’re positive, isolate. We encourage you to call your contacts and tell them to quarantine. The instructions are on our website. Also, the Mendocino County Contact Tracing Team has been instrumental in rapidly controlling outbreaks before major spread has occurred. When they call you for a positive test result, please tell them about all of your contacts because it helps your friends and family and the entire community. This is a confidential process. None of the people contacted will be told who the original case was. No other agencies will be told about who has called them. They will help you figure out how to best protect your loved ones. If you’ve been in contact with someone closer than six feet for more than 15 minutes cumulatively over 24 hours, or if you have symptoms, do not go to OptumServe. That site is only for screening. Call your clinic, call your doctor, who can order a different test. Remember the traditional ways to protect you and your family: mask all of the time except when eating. If alone outside, take a break. But, mostly keep the mask on all the time. Distance is very important for large droplets, especially in cold weather where small aerosols can be suspended in the air outside. Wash and sanitize your hands, the surfaces you’re around, and ventilate all rooms and cars. Keep the windows open. We’re doing this to protect ourselves, our family, and our friends and also the healthcare workers in hospitals and intensive care units so they can help us when they are in need. New research shows that masks protect the person wearing them in addition to those around him or her. We do have phone numbers for people who feel down or depressed. Call the Warm Line, which is open from Monday to Saturday from 7:00 a.m.-6:00 p.m. (707) 472- 3111. For questions about health orders, contact the Call Center Monday to Friday from 8:30 am-5:00 p.m. (707)472-2759.
  • We changed some health orders recently. The gatherings are now reduced to a maximum of 12 people. This should not include any more than three household units. Another change was regarding hospital reporting. Another change that occurred recently was funding for  Promotoras de salud a program designed reach out and communicate with the local Latino community. Guidance on the Mendocino County website regarding Thanksgiving is from the Center for Disease Control. I know all of us have already been through a lot: changed habits, missed milestones, celebrations, family get togethers, suffered closures, loss of jobs, bankruptcy, foreclosures. We’re tired. We’re frustrated, annoyed, angry, but a better day is coming. Vaccines are on the way. We must bear with this now a while longer. These days before us are going to be a serious challenge.
  • Here is a summary of my new advisory for holidays and travel: avoid gatherings of anyone outside your household. I know I said three households and 12 people, but it is better to avoid them entirely. Use a telephone or teleconferencing to socialize. Do not travel. If you’re sick or have been in contact with a COVID patient in the last 14 days, if you are elderly or have chronic conditions like obesity, heart or lung conditions, diabetes, cancer, or other illnesses or take medicines that might affect your immunity, stay home. This is the most painful. I know it. My mother-in-law just turned 91. Her grandchildren have been asked to skip this year. They are going to stay in Santa Rosa and San Francisco and it’s heartbreaking and I’m sure it is for you. 
  • Do not forget the influenza vaccine. Wear a mask all the time when indoors unless you’re alone, with members of your household group, except when eating. Maintain your six feet of distance, wash your hands for 20 seconds, and use hand sanitizer in between. Increase airflow by opening windows. If you gather, keep it to one household group. No more than three. These gatherings should be held outdoors and a maximum of two hours. Keep a sign-in list. Plan for the gatherings and traveling by minimizing contact with others a week before the gathering or travel. Consider getting tested. Avoid physical contact with those outside your household unit. Wave instead of shaking hands or hugging or kissing. If you’re eating or drinking, remove your mask at that time. Avoid shouting or singing loudly, chanting or playing wind instruments. These increase transmission and contagion. Avoid sharing phones, toys, utensils, bring wipes to disinfect objects that were shared. Do this when you return home. Finally, avoid non-essential travel outside of the County of Mendocino and upon return it is a best practice to quarantine for 7-14 days. Avoid Black Friday shopping.

Around 24 minutes

KZYX’s Sarah Reith asks: What is the status of the mobile testing unit? Are there more opportunities for the clinics to do surveillance testing through an arrangement other than the one that expired with UCSF?

  • Dr. Coren: The OptumServe testing program is alive and well at the fairgrounds and will be expanded for 5 days/week to 7 days/week. We have also found they’ll have the ability to travel around the county and offer the testing at different sites. The mechanics of that haven’t been established but they are in the works. We are still in negotiations with that organization. 

Follow up question from Reith: This other OptumServe option wouldn’t be a van then? More like a pop up? What is that looking like?

  • Bekkie Emory: That will be a mobile site, not a van, and it does require a brick and mortar site but is temporary so it can move around the county so it can move around to different communities. It will complete up to 165 tests/day. We are approved to utilize that resource up to 5 days/week. It is approved to start rolling out December 2. We are working on that scheduling and making sure we have that resource working in a manner that will cover the entire county.

Around 26 minutes

KZYX’s Sarah Reith asks: Regarding the curfew, the sheriff just announced that he would not be enforcing the curfew. I’m wondering if Code Enforcement or Public Health has a policy about making sure people stay inside during those hours.

  • Dr. Coren: I don’t have any plans for our enforcement personnel to go around and enforce between 10:00 p.m.-5:00 a.m. This is for the public to know and enforce themselves. We have lost many wars worth of people. This is no joke. If this was a war, we would be in our basements sheltering in place from bombs. We hope the population will understand and grasp this and police themselves. There shouldn’t be a need for enforcement. 

Follow up question from Reith: Is there going to be a messaging campaign like “Mask Up Mendocino”?

  • Dr. Coren: This is part of it, you can spread it more.

Around 28 minutes

Mendocino Voice’s Adrian Baumann asks: Can you describe which department does each type of enforcement and which department has the authority for enforcement. What type of enforcement does the sheriff have? What kind of enforcement actions does Code Enforcement’s Chief Mortier have? 

  • Bekkie Emery: Chief Mortier has been collaborating with the Sheriff’s Department working on masking in restaurants and businesses. There has been a lot of education they have done as well as investigations and discussions. Both departments collaborate in these efforts and as to which one specifically responds, it depends on what personnel is available. Code Enforcement works specifically in the businesses to make sure they are following guidance from the health officer. 

Mendocino Voice’s Adrian Baumann asks: Let’s say there is a restaurant or bar operating past 10:00 p.m., is that a situation where Code Enforcement comes in? Health and Human Services? Sheriffs? 

  • Dr. Coren: We have a call center where we would hope citizens would report that sort of occurrence. Keep in mind, restaurants are encouraged to exclusively offer takeout. This is a difficult time for our community and the restaurants as well. I don’t want people to mistake someone going to the door of a restaurant and getting takeout with breaking the law and a restaurant serving indoors. We do have a program in our county that we’ve been using in the last month where people are evaluating local businesses compliance with health orders and food safety. These are mostly educational. The vast majority of businesses in town have been very cooperative. They have been very open to whatever changes or adjustments are necessary to comply. It was the businesses and the Chambers of Commerce who started the Mask Up Mendocino campaign and now they are beginning to organize testing onsite for their employees. 

Follow up question from Baumann: My question is a jurisdictional one. Is there something that Mortier’s department and the Sheriff’s share jointly or are they tackling different aspects of enforcement. It gets to my next question which is regarding the sheriff’s statement that says he won’t enforce the curfew. I’m wondering if that is a decision that the sheriff made in his capacity as an elected sheriff or a decision made in consultation with you, or you Dr. Coren made and directed him to follow.

  • Dr. Coren: It is not a decision that was made in consultation with me. I think at this point, 99% of enforcement is education. Sheriff Kendall did not consult with us about doing it but he has been serving the community, along with other law enforcement agencies, by dealing with crime and violence. I do think the gatherings are extremely dangerous for our community and addressing them is a question of education, and in the worst cases participants would be cited. I would if a sheriff deputy would drive by a gathering and not say something. I don’t think they are going to jump out of their cars and make a bunch of arrests. That wouldn’t be good for the community. 

Follow up question from Baumann: If the sheriff is not going to enforce the curfew, will John Mortier and Code Enforcement be enforcing the curfew?

  • Dr. Coren: They receive and review calls at the call center. The enforcement there has been educational. I’m going to emphasize: this is citizen enforcement. We know what protects ourselves. 

Follow up question from Baumann: Just to be clear, neither law enforcement organization will be enforcing the curfew?

  • Dr. Coren: I wouldn’t say that. The call center is available. We’ll have to see as time goes on the efficacy of citizen enforcement.

Around 37 minutes

Mendocino Action News’s Danilla Sands asks: Regarding concerns that ICUs are filling up, we have some patients here from out of county. Can you explain how these patients came to be housed in Mendocino County? 

  • Dr. Coren: We have several people who have been discharged from nursing homes in another county. This is because our nursing homes did not have room for them. This doesn’t mean actual rooms, but staff as well. It’s very high intensity to take care of nursing home patients, ICU patients, and hospitalized patients. The reason for people being hospitalized in our county was due to a lack of beds and we had those beds available. We are all trying to cooperate together. When it comes our turn, those counties will reciprocate. This is the horrible future of what we want to avoid in a pandemic. These filled to capacity hospitals and ICUs shows why we have to initiate quarantine orders and curfews. 

Follow up question from Sands: Could we utilize pop-ups to house more patients if needed?

  • Dr. Coren: There is a capacity for reserves but those get used up also. We’re talking about huge numbers that so far we haven’t seen in Mendocino. We see a trajectory that is going up rapidly. Again, if we think 12% of those cases are going to wind up in our hospital in the next three weeks and we see a doubling time of 6-8 days, our hospitals could be full. That’s not just for COVID-19 patients. Someone gets in an accident, someone has a heart attack- we literally won’t have the room. That’s one of the big reasons of why we’re doing what we’re doing. 

Around 40 minutes

Mendocino Action News’s Danilla Sands asks: In the beginning, Dr. Doohan had talked about the possibility of false negatives. Now, with all the tests being done, are seeing any false positives? If we are, what is the reason?

  • Dr. Coren: The reality is nothing is perfect. These tests have varying sensitivity and specificity. Sensitivity describes a test that can detect small amounts of the virus. Specificity means if the test says you’re positive, then you’re positive. In both cases, you’re always going to have some false positives or false negatives. We select the type of test to use based on the sensitivity and specificity. 

Around 43 minutes 

RHBB’s Matt LaFever asks: What can you tell Mendocino County residents about the effort the county is making to shore up the necessary supplies and infrastructure to receive, store, and inoculate our population with the vaccine?

  • Dr. Coren: Supplies like personal protective equipment is an ongoing effort by our Medical Health Operations Center. They are also taking care of obtaining and will be distributing a lot of the vaccinations. It’s important to recognize there will be several modalities of vaccine distribution. Two pharmacies, CVS and Walgreens, have stepped up to be able to inoculate people in our skilled nursing facilities. We also have a mass vaccination program because the logistics of distribution are difficult. We are using that mass vaccination program with characteristics of the new vaccines in mind. One of the new vaccines will require storage at 70-90 below zero Celsius. We’re looking into how to do that and collaborating with local hospitals. What about the people around the rest of the county? We’re looking at it. Other vaccines are coming online which will only need stored at a 20 below zero environment so those will prove easier to distribute. We are starting to have weekly meetings with the hospital and potentially more often and the vaccines come online faster than expected. The vaccine has not been approved so the state has developed its own task force with four work groups, one to retest the safety and efficacy of whatever vaccines come down the line. We want to make sure people have confidence in these vaccines. Many are concerned about this vaccine due to the fact they are new technologies. The California Department of Public Health is utilizing some of the most experienced minds from UCSF, UCLA, and Stanford to make sure they are safe and effective. Another work group is determining how California will distribute the vaccine. 

Around 49 minutes

RHBB’s Matt LaFever asks: What kind of stories does contact tracing tell here locally? Are we seeing patterns of transmission such as one age group to another? Are there specific locations or types of businesses more prone to transmission? Gyms? Grocery stores? Restaurants? Or is the overwhelming site of transmissions in private homes?

  • Dr. Coren: Data generated from outside of Mendocino County indicates health care workers are going to be exposed to COVID-19 more than the general public. In general, we have done research locally as to where the virus is spreading, and it is not specific to a local industry but inside homes. More than 50% of contagion is coming from individual homes. Many people have the illness but are not symptomatic. It is vital residents follow the guidelines for general care. We have to teach out to successfully isolate and quarantine. There is an idea that if mom has it, that dad and the children can quarantine together. No, if one of the kids has it they can carry it to dad. I’ve heard from other Public Health Officers they cannot keep up with the demand for contact tracing and case investigation and we are doing really well. 

52 minutes

Question from the Public: Can you explain why we should get tested for COVID-19? Is social distancing, masking, and avoiding gatherings enough to insure we don’t have the virus?

Dr. Coren: No. The virus hangs out in the air and can get beyond the mask, into the eyes. Those are not huge effects but when you’re dealing with tens of thousands of people, this can happen. No one is perfect. Even me- I was walking into the health department the other day and got halfway to the door and realized I forgot my mask. We all make those mistakes. Some of those mistakes don’t amount to anything; some of them amount to a transmission. The testing tells us who has the virus but doesn’t know it yet. This allows us to stop residents from unknowingly transmitting the virus.

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Casey
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Casey
3 years ago

Sorry, look at 1955 to 1975. South Vietnam. One million three hundred thousand. Yes that many, look it up

Willie Bray
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3 years ago
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🕯🌳What does that have to do with today?🖖🖖

Casey
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Casey
3 years ago
Reply to  Willie Bray

Just refuting the headline William

Xingu
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Xingu
3 years ago
Reply to  Casey

Look at world stats on the virus. And give up your contrarian attitude. It is not helpful or attractive. People are dying.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
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3 years ago
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Military were not the only deaths.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
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“Over 70 years of wars in the United States, we have not lost that many people.”

She’s clearly referring to AMERICAN deaths.

I like stars
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I like stars
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Those are the only ones that matter, right?

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

If your looking for records, in 1945 we set it, 70000 deaths in less than a minute. Then another 100000 in the following weeks, what a way to go, I’m sure will see that again.And that was on purpose, but maybe COVID-19 is too .

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

The record was in China back in 1887 when the Yellow River burst its banks and flooded the surrounding farmland. The flood killed 900,000 people in a single day.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Wikipedia is like using Facebook as a source.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
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The article cites its sources. Quit your concern trolling. Its so fucking pathetic and you should be embarrassed.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Geist

Yep, pathetic trolling about a pathetic pandemic, panic on.

I just want to make the end of the story.
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I just want to make the end of the story.
3 years ago

A huge surge of…. ignorance.

Ideological Subversion isn’t just for breakfast anymore.

The intelligent response is not the intended response to this Flu season.

The media has been hijacked to give you a sense that the experts know better than you do.

The recent backlash against Governor Newsoms most recent Covid Curfew and Thanksgiving restrictions has led to many LEO’S saying that they will not be enforcing his mandates.

A minor reprieve in a Constitutional Republic.

Top Canadian Pathologist On COVID: ‘Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated’

Dr Roger Hodkinson

https://youtu.be/YvYzf0MqObg

Cy Anse
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Cy Anse
3 years ago

QBAFI

Free estimates
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Free estimates
3 years ago
Reply to  Cy Anse

Use your words. That’s what big boys and girls do. C’mon man!

DQ
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DQ
3 years ago

“Top Canadian Pathologist On COVID”

K.

Here’s Canada’s Royal College directly contradicting the country’s “top pathologist”—and now leading conspiracy theorist— Roger H.:

https://newsroom.royalcollege.ca/clarification-on-statements-made-regarding-covid-19-by-dr-roger-hodkinson/

“The Royal College believes COVID-19 presents a serious threat to the health of Canadians. The Royal College strongly supports all public health advice given by the Chief Public Health Officer of Canada, including recommendations to practise physical distancing and to wear masks to help prevent COVID-19 transmission. We are very appreciative of the dedication and commitment of our Royal College Fellows, residents and all front-line health care workers in the fight against COVID-19.”

lauracooskey
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lauracooskey
3 years ago

This alarmist rhetoric is one cause of many people writing off the whole thing. The out-take quote about 250,000 lives being “2.5 times more than American lives lost back to WWII” is ridiculous. 250,000 is not far above the average monthly fatality rate (from all causes, prior to Covid-19) in the U.S., which was something like 222,000. So in 9 months we’ve added a month’s worth of deaths… which of course, now won’t happen next year or in the next ten, so the future numbers will balance out and the average will recover.

Exaggerations do nothing to forward a cause in the long run, because people get burned out on the bullshit.

I realize that they’re talking about war deaths, but why compare those? Death from humans lobbing flesh-ripping ammunition or dropping incinerating bombs on entire villages for no personal reason is an entirely different matter (and, in my mind, unquestionably more tragic and worthy of hand-wringing) from succumbing, usually when past the average age of death, to one virus rather than another– which is just life. It involves death at the end… or didn’t people get the memo?

In my 1911 I trust
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In my 1911 I trust
3 years ago
Reply to  lauracooskey

The cost of life will cost you just one death, luckily you get to pay at the end. Of course people have forgotten that, nobody wants to pay for anything anymore.

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3 years ago
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Saying someone’s average speed of travel in their car is 60mph sounds reasonable, but it doesn’t tell the whole story, if they accelerated really slowly for most of the hour, then floored it to 180 mph. That’s where we’re headed.

“So in 9 months we’ve added a month’s worth of deaths… which of course, now won’t happen next year or in the next ten, so the future numbers will balance out and the average will recover”

The first US death was on March first. It took until late April, about 2 months, to reach 40k. We’re currently at 264k, so it’s actually taken 7 months, not 9, to kill 222k people.

The first two months: 40,000 deaths.

The last two months( Sept. 22 to Nov. 22): approximately 58k. The surge in new cases means that the death rate will accelerate and possibly double over the next few months.

And perhaps you think that older people are going to die anyways, so it’s less of a big deal. But aside from the compassion deficit in that argument, the more the virus circulates, the more likely it is to mutate, or find a new animal host (like minks for example).

One alleged marker of human intelligence (as compared to other animals) is our ability to imagine possible consequences in the future, not act impulsively, and use reason and tools to solve problems.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago

How much power does the executive branch really have in this “pandemic”?

[Quote]
Judge upholds ruling to limit Gov. Newsom’s powers during pandemic

A Northern California County judge decided Newsom overstepped his authority when he changed state law during the COVID-19 pandemic in violation of California’s constitution.

Sutter County Superior Court Judge Sarah Heckman made her tentative ruling the day before the election regarding one of Newsom’s executive orders from June. His order required election officials to establish hundreds of locations statewide where voters could cast their ballots — something lawmakers would end up approving.

The lawsuit against the governor was brought on by Republican Assemblymen James Gallagher and Kevin Kiley, who released the following joint statement.

“Today, the Court confirmed that Gavin Newsom does not rule California and that we are still a nation of laws. California has not been well-served by one-man rule. A return to representative government will be best for public health and the economy. The Governor must accept this ruling as a fundamental principle of our democracy and govern himself accordingly.”

The lawsuit challenged the governor’s executive order and what the assemblymen called an “abuse of separation of powers.”

The judge’s ruling broadly barred Newsom “from exercising any power under the California Emergency Services Act which amends, alters, or changes existing statutory law or makes new statutory law or legislative policy.”

The Republican assemblymen said the judge’s final ruling, through a permanent injunction, prevents the governor from unilaterally making these decisions, moving forward.

Newsom had requested to delay the enforcement of the decision, but that request was denied.

https://www.ktvu.com/news/judge-upholds-ruling-to-limit-gov-newsoms-powers-during-pandemic.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Treebones
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Treebones
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

I believe the curfew order as well as the mask order are consistent with California statutes, therefore that ruling wouldn’t apply.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
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Can you cite the statutes? There are some county officials (Placer, I think) pursuing an injunction against Newsom specifically because (they feel) he has overstepped his emergency powers.

There has to be limits on emergency powers. The executive branch can’t declare an emergency in perpetuity or the free republic is dead with a simple executive declaration.

I just want to make the end of the story.
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I just want to make the end of the story.
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Unless people are guilt shamed 24/7 for not doing their part to keep up the lie.

https://youtu.be/YvYzf0MqObg

Dr Hodkinson, says Covid is the greatest HOAX PERPETRATED ON THE PUBLIC.

Maybe youtube will censor him as well.

Isn’t it interesting there has been little interest in why we need class 4 bio weapons labs in the first place?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago

I’m sure they will… and he’s Canuckian so should be ignored.

Geist
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Geist
3 years ago
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He should be ignored because the herd immunity approach to Covid is a complete failure and masking works.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.technologynetworks.com/immunology/news/amp/covid-19-herd-immunity-in-sweden-has-so-far-failed-to-deliver-338617

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
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Uh, no.

“Sweden has recorded 485 cases per 100,000 people in the latest two-week period, roughly the same as Britain but just more than half that of France.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-sweden-tegnell/second-wave-same-strategy-swedish-covid-19-czar-defiant-despite-surge-idINL1N2HZ1YJ

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Herd immunity is not a medical term used for getting people sick.

It is a goal acheived through vaccination rates.

There is no reasonable approach to herd immunity through slaughtering millions with a disease.

That simply is not a medical approach to a health issue.

Free estimates
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Free estimates
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I’m sorry Brian, but you’re misinformed again. Infection and vaccination are both valid methods of achieving herd immunity. You can read more about it here:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Free estimates

From your link:

However, there are some major problems with relying on community infection to create herd immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19.

First, it isn’t yet clear if infection with the COVID-19 virus makes a person immune to future infection.

Research suggests that after infection with some coronaviruses, reinfection with the same virus — though usually mild and only happening in a fraction of people — is possible after a period of months or years. Further research is needed to determine the protective effect of antibodies to the virus in those who have been infected.

Even if infection with the COVID-19virus creates long-lasting immunity, a large number of people would have to become infected to reach the herd immunity threshold. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19to halt the epidemic. If many people become sick with COVID-19 at once, the health care system could quickly become overwhelmed. This amount of infection could also lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have chronic conditions.

Free estimates
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Free estimates
3 years ago
Reply to  Free estimates

Yeah. I can read too. Your statement was that a vaccine is the only way to achieve herd immunity. It is not. Did you learn something?

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

How does Sweden pull off such low numbers when they never locked down? Yep, alot countries gonna get the dummy award in 2021, panicked people have never made a rational decision .

Freedom over fear
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Freedom over fear
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

And why does the media avoid Sweden like the plague? No pun intended

Kym Kemp
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3 years ago

The media doesn’t avoid Sweden. I keep reading about its response. The only way you aren’t reading about Sweden’s response is if you aren’t reading news. Here’s Google’s search results (over 10 pages) in just the last 30 days. https://www.google.com/search?q=sweden+covid&sxsrf=ALeKk02MevnL-6HgEUU0unqgZ034_IPtKA:1606082270406&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:m&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiehNTZkpftAhUWrp4KHSsTAz4QpwV6BAgZECQ&biw=1858&bih=977

Angela Robinson
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Angela Robinson
3 years ago

I’ve been seeing Sweden on the news A LOT. Just not in the way you hope it would.

Maybe you would know that Sweden has come to realize their previous strategy has not worked out.

Maybe wherever you get your news from isn’t telling you this:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-22/swedish-pm-sends-covid-plea-to-nation-after-careless-response

https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/20/coronavirus-sweden-introduces-alcohol-curfew-as-superspreader-events-are-curbed

https://www.euronews.com/2020/11/04/coronavirus-sweden-introduces-new-restrictions-as-europe-fights-to-contain-latest-wave

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago

We are running the same ratios here in California, except they had no lock downs, imagine that! Genuis!

Mike
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Mike
3 years ago

I’ve been reading about Sweden from the beginning, they haven’t been ignoring it just painting it in a negative light. Sweden’s death rate is basically on par for the world average. It was 21, last time I checked for per capita fatality rate with a 17 percent antibody rate. Mathematicians would suggest its likely over 20 percent. Well see if that helps or hurt them this winter, it puts them ahead of the ball in the long game but a vaccine could change that. But then there will be countless studies weighing the cost of every nations actions, Sweden certainly will have less deaths o despair and poverty.

Guest
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3 years ago

Mike- bingo.

Fog Dog
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Fog Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

Sweden’s death rate is many times that of it’s scandinavian neighbors with similar geolocation/culture that have used mitigation strategies. In addition, Sweden has admitted that it’s strategy is failing and is now implementing shutdowns and curfews. It’s not a goldenboy anymore, but a blackeye of pandemic management in Northern Europe.

Furthermore, Sweden culturally is very adherent and conforming. When public health officials suggests something, the public takes notice and follows suit. Sweden’s population is only ten million people in a mostly rural country with just a few city centers that aren’t nearly as densely populated compared to other major cities worldwide. Otherwise, their fatalities would likely be even higher comparatively.
It’s Apples and Oranges.

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3 years ago
Reply to  Fog Dog

It was never “a golden boy…” it’s neighbors resented it and American press applied their anti-right paintbrush liberally. Lockdown’s do work. Sweden’s leader knew that but maintained that this pandemic was going to outlast the ability to shut everything down. They made a mistake in not paying enough attention to nursing home so they did start off with large unexpected losses. Lockdown meant those mistakes were avoided elsewhere.

But indeed when lockdowns were relaxed, spikes appear everywhere. Until this is past and all the consequences of both disease and restrictions are tallied, it’s not really possible to evaluate. Under any circumstances, each country has to forge it’s own way for it’s own people. You can’t look at Taiwan for example when your population is not Taiwanese. I doubt you would find any Taiwanese (or Norwegian for that matter) politician complaining that closing borders is racist like was here. Nor did they have problems keeping border closed in reality when the US can’t. They didn’t have race riots nor Antifa. They do have almost everyone registered. Different world.

Ice
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Ice
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover
DQ
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DQ
3 years ago

Here’s Canada’s Royal College directly contradicting the country’s “top pathologist”—and now leading conspiracy theorist— Roger H.:

https://newsroom.royalcollege.ca/clarification-on-statements-made-regarding-covid-19-by-dr-roger-hodkinson/

“The Royal College believes COVID-19 presents a serious threat to the health of Canadians. The Royal College strongly supports all public health advice given by the Chief Public Health Officer of Canada, including recommendations to practise physical distancing and to wear masks to help prevent COVID-19 transmission. We are very appreciative of the dedication and commitment of our Royal College Fellows, residents and all front-line health care workers in the fight against COVID-19.”

I just want to make the end of the story.
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I just want to make the end of the story.
3 years ago
Reply to  DQ

Your either want to believe it you dont. The euros are fucking socialist cunts, and elitist pricks who want to be important, but still can’t find a cure for cancer.

It’s about time for another revolution, to put all the questions to rest. Constitutional Republic or death.

All you pansies can go shelter in place while the real patriots stand up for all you punk bitches scared of a flu bug.

DQ
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DQ
3 years ago

“Your either want to believe it you dont.”

Well, that was fast. Your primary source—cherry-picked from a Google search—crumbles and the meltdown begins.

“All you pansies can go shelter in place while the real patriots stand up for all you punk bitches scared of a flu bug.”

Its always the self-appointed “patriots” who start panicking and screaming about conspiracies and the “deeeeep state” and buying up guns when they don’t get their way. But it’s EVERYONE ELSE who’s afraid…got it.

Do you think you could run a 1/4 mile without collapsing? THANK GOD we have you to save the country.

DQ
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DQ
3 years ago
Reply to  DQ

Uh huh.

Sure thing, buddy.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  DQ

Dq,

I’ll call in all jujitsu gyms in Redding and Santa Barbara to make sure code enforcement has them closed!

Just to really piss off this buster.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago

There are no Republican patriots anymore.

They sold out to fascism.

Free estimates
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Free estimates
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

What facism? Give me one instance of facism. Just one.

2s⁴u
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2s⁴u
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Statute laws are for profit and control. Created by con men. They have little to do with justice or ethics.

Guest
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3 years ago
Reply to  Treebones

“So I’m not sure how effective this is going to be,” Riley said. “But the state feels that they have to do something. I think it’s going to be mostly a cosmetic effect and not so much a real impact on interrupting this transmission.” https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/11/21/experts-california-residents-question-curfew-effectiveness/

The trouble with ordering people around is that there has to be a way to enforce it. And to enforce a curfew means either serious fines or hauling off to jail. Since neither is likely to happen, it is more of a gesture than anything else. Heck, we have decided not to jail or fine thieves and burglars, something for which there is long established precedent, lest they are disadvantaged. The only people who are likely to get stung by this is regular, licensed businesses who are easy targets.

Antichrist
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Antichrist
3 years ago

The fact is that if or rather when you contract the virus you will have over a 96 percent chance of surviving it, unlike the normal flu in which you only have a 92percent chance of surviving . Vaccines are not effective in fact just as with the flu many people will in fact contract the virus from it , suffer side effects or die from them, however I doubt those numbers will be reported as vigilantly as these inflated supposedly pandemic death numbers are. Why is it that no one seems to be talking about the fact that the WHO, changed the criteria for a virus to be labeled as a pandemic just six months prior to this out break ?

Kym Kemp
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3 years ago
Reply to  Antichrist

Antichrist, you have your facts wrong. COVID is more deadly than the flu. “COVID-19 has a higher severe disease and mortality rate than influenza in all age groups, except perhaps children under the age of 12.” Professor at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/no-covid-19-is-not-the-flu.html

I just want to make the end of the story.
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I just want to make the end of the story.
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

It just depends on where you get your facts.

Dying with covid.?

Dying from covid?

The immeasurable gap between the “fact” and how the facts can be used to push a fallacy.

The punishment is not commensurate for the crime.

Kym Kemp
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3 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

No. The death rates for a very bad cold are no where near that of COVID

I just want to make the end of the story.
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I just want to make the end of the story.
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Deaths from Covud?

Or Deaths WITH COVID?

Whole damn testing is full of false positives and with all people In high places who really shouldn’t be using the forces of government to crush an economic engine of the United States, the amount of people waking up the platnium level overreach will cause a very unhealthy response.

Covid lockdown is complete bullshit and if we were so damn worried about people’s health, there’s been plenty of failed opportunities.

They haven’t shown enough respect to the financial well being of Americans, why should we continue to pay for the daddy who rapes, beats, and molests you in the name of protecting you?

That’s some real Stockholm Syndrome shit right there.

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OhnoNotAgain
3 years ago
Reply to  Antichrist

I pray you stay safe, in spite of your misunderstanding.

The Texas National Guard is now being called upon to help with morgue duties. But I’m sure its just a hoax, right? Medical professionals are collapsing from exhaustion. I’m sure they’re all making it up. All over the world.

Its truly hard to fathom how closed peoples eyes and minds can be when its all happening to someone else.

Ice
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Ice
3 years ago
Reply to  Antichrist

Antichrist: The term ‘pandemic’ just means a disease has spread worldwide. There is no numerical or fatality criteria for that. Contrary to what some right wing news reports..

Farce
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Farce
3 years ago

Thank you! For naming the Noyo Harbor business that had an outbreak. See how easy that is?! I was in Noyo harbor at that time but not at that business so now- I don’t have to be extremely worried!!! Mendocino County did what Humboldt County refuses to do- names the actual places where outbreaks occur. Humboldt County hides that info behind a false interpretation of HIPAA and leaves us all in suspense and confusion…just telling us it’s “everywhere” and so we must stay in fear at all times. That’s why nobody listens to Frankenfurter and the new guy. They sound like fearmongers who refuse to supply actual known info for the benefit of the community…

avenuerider
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3 years ago

I got your curfew hanging low!!! WE ARE BEING LIED TO!!! HAPPY THANKSGIVING AMERICA!!!

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  avenuerider

Had our big family gatherings while we were in death stage yeller, got them pesky holidays out the way.

DisinterestedObserver
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DisinterestedObserver
3 years ago

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), there were 2,813,503 registered deaths in the United States in 2017.

250,000 is 10% of the national average. Government officials are using the general apathy and lack of critical thinking of the populace at large to enact draconian economic suicide policies to justify the roll out of new technology that is being used to track our movements and activities. This is not a “conspiracy theory,” this is established fact. We are a free people, in a constitutional republic, not subjects of a tyrannical king. This is beyond left, right, liberal, conservative. This is an attack on our way of life. If you are afraid of dying and in poor health stay home and limit your exposure, let those with families earn their keep….one path is .06% chance of death, the other is certain death from homelessness, starvation and deprivation of the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

I just want to make the end of the story.
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I just want to make the end of the story.
3 years ago

All day , every day.

Watch people ignore the reality, and bury their heads in works of fiction.

While their own health is ignored, they preach to others about the need for compliance.

Bozo
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Bozo
3 years ago

Good god… the trumpians have arrived here !

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3 years ago
Reply to  Bozo

Yes. I’ve noticed that the conservatives tend to show up starting at about 6:30 am. The liberals crowd in about 10:30am. Habits of a lifetime I guess.

DisinterestedObserver
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DisinterestedObserver
3 years ago
Reply to  Bozo

Did anybody say anything about trump? Project much? If you think locking down and destroying our economy is the answer to everything, by all means stay home and unemployed, watching CNN and Fox News telling you what to think and feel, the rest of us with brains and critical thinking skills will continue to feed our families and work however we deem fit. Government overreach or not we will do whatever is necessary, as always. Did you know that in the city of Wuhan, China they are partying with no masks, no social distancing in nightclubs? I mean when you live in a totalitarian communist dictatorship its easy to squash a bug by welding the citizenry into their apartments. Feel free to move there and let us know what you think about the values the Republic of the United States of America holds dear and the founding fathers enshrined in the Constitution.

Diane
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Diane
3 years ago

I will abide by Newsom’s laws – the same way Newsom abides by Newsom’s laws…… Happy Thanksgiving

Knowbody
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Knowbody
3 years ago

Talked to my good friend yesterday that lost his mother to Covid in September. Watched her perish through glass and not being able to comfort her. Everyone that doesn’t know victims of the virus should rejoice. To scoff and cry conspiracy or fake news is really playing with fire. Rural California could be next dont be like the Midwest. North Dakota 880k population 60k cases SF city 780k population 14k cases. The difference? Believing it exists. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/11/16/south-dakota-nurse-coronavirus-deniers/%3foutputType=amp this article on the state of South Dakota hospitals is mind blowing.

Mike
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Mike
3 years ago

Apathy is the glove into which evil slips it’s hand. The government has bred apathy among the populace. Maskers and antimaskers you can’t demand the entire populace to do something when they can’t see the reason. Hopefully we don’t. But nothings been overwhelmed, no one I know has lost a loved one to covid, yet, and I know allot of people. If it’s not a perceived threat it creates apathy. Just like why Americans no longer care about the war in the Middle East, it hasn’t impacted their life in 18 years, so no perceived threat. Plus Americans have an attention span that can be measured in nanoseconds

researcher
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researcher
3 years ago

Are there different conspiracies being discussed here. It seems like one is that it is a hoax and there is no virus, one is that China (and Russia?) created the virus when they already had a vaccination and are trying to overthrow the US and one is that it is powers within our government who are trying to overthrow the gov. Is this correct?

If so, which is the main one being discussed. I love conspiracy theories because sometimes it is what is happening. But Im having trouble wrapping myself around any of these being discussed.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  researcher

The only conspiracy I read here is how you interpret the data. No hoax , just people panicking and exaggerating and creating drama, typical Karen’s . Peace out , just waiting for FDA to approve vaccine so the circus can move on.

Kym Kemp
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3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

Catch up, LR. You can’t keep hanging onto ideas and information that are from six months ago (at best).

“On Monday, [Sweden]’s authorities banned gatherings of more than eight people as they grappled with the second coronavirus wave surging through much of Europe…Don’t go to the gym, don’t go the library, don’t have dinner out, don’t have parties — cancel!…Hospitalizations are rising faster in Sweden than any other European country, and Sweden’s per capita death rate is several times higher than those of its Nordic neighbors Finland, Denmark and Norway.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/11/18/sweden-coronavirus-surge-policy/

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Just got back in the country Kym, been traveling non-stop for the last 9 months. No covid here, what gives? Must just be lucky huh? Swedens ratios of cases and deaths mirror Californias, but no lock downs like here. Oh well, bunker down guys, I’m headed on another vacation, I mean essential travel next week out of the country . I will say other countries sanitize and mask better than here, especially ones that count on tourists to support them. Haven’t really payed to much attention to covid haha, I have to work 24/7 either way.

Kym Kemp
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3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

California has a large population of folks who think that their freedom is being trampled on by being asked to voluntarily do basic hygiene in a pandemic.

Sweden has a high rate of folks voluntarily following good practices. Still, in the end, there were enough inconsiderate people there, too, that Sweden is now having to use legal means to achieve good hygiene. “Lawbreakers could face fines or up to six months in prison.” https://www.marketwatch.com/story/sweden-stages-coronavirus-u-turn-banning-public-events-with-more-than-eight-people-11605538856 Little tougher than around here…I’ve heard of exactly one case of someone being arrested here for not wearing a mask and that was more about their attitude forcing themselves on a private business against their rules than about just walking around in public. And Sweden is instituting that at roughly 100th of the death rate we have here in California.

Also, it is worth noting that Sweden’s healthcare is government-funded unlike ours.

Sweden is not an argument for ‘I don’t have to try and help keep the spread of the Coronavirus down because “Freedom, man.”‘

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Some of us mask because we don’t need workers comp crawling up where the sun don’t shine, but my industry has also always promoted good hygiene. That is why I say people don’t change, I’ve tried and it takes years of riding someone to get the smallest results, best to train em young.

Fog Dog
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Fog Dog
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

Lol. Your industry? Trolling KK &loco nonstop from mom’s basement is an industry?

Id love to know your vast itinerary from the last 9 months while never missing a chance to spread misinformation in a comment section under various pseudonyms?

I think we all just keep stepping in your well-placed large piles of BS!

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Fog Dog

I can say this,in April during the lock downs the west coast was pretty shut down, this time round I’m not seeing it slowing down yet. I’m afraid to say that it’s not going to slow down, so get ready for a real spike in cases,or release the vaccine.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Fog Dog

That, right there.

Busy Lone Ranger travelling the world for 9 months and commenting on RHBB everyday, more than many of us.

How many times did he say it would disappear on the 4th?

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Never, go back and look.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  Fog Dog

How did you guess capt oblivious, basements are so abundant in Humboldt I guess it is a no brainer. You may need to reassess your username due to climate change, peace out logdog.

Mike
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Mike
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

People in southern humboldt were in desperate need of basic hygien lessons long before this pandemic, and they will still need them long after it’s gone. And eureka, definantly Arcata too.

Guest
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3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Well, at least we defiantly learned how to smell.

Guest
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3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

Nobody has been arrested here for “no mask”.

Kym Kemp
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3 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Technically not arrested but forwarding charges to the District Attorney’s Office. https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2020/nov/18/video-eureka-police-remove-anti-masker-costco-forc/

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

If there are charges it will probably be trespass.

I doubt the mask mandate has the force of the law.

Kym Kemp
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3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

That was rather my point–Sweden’s mask law has serious teeth. Ours are more of a gentle reminder from a doting grandmother.

Kym Kemp
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3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

You are right. I totally conflated the lockdown restrictions with a mask law. Thank you for pointing that out.

researcher
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researcher
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

LR, you need too much attention my friend. I keep telling you to learn to meditate. For people with active but slightly off center minds its a life changer. thats coming from personal experience.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago
Reply to  researcher

Oh I get plenty of attention researcher, non-stop attention. I’ve started biking again, been awhile since I did the tuc. Its like a solid 2 hours of meditation every other day, can’t beat it, get in shape and meditate all in one.

researcher
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researcher
3 years ago
Reply to  Lone Ranger

There ya go. Meditation still helps though. A bitch to do but worth it.

DisinterestedObserver
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DisinterestedObserver
3 years ago
Reply to  researcher

Oh, there is a virus. It was created in a lab in Wuhan, China and either released accidentaly or on purpose. There is a whistleblower scientist from China who affirmed that is in fact created in a lab, probably a genetically modified amalgalm of HIV, Sars, and the flu. Nobody is denying this, it is a nasty bug, highly contagious. I know this because last December I’m 95% sure I caught it, was knocked out with a bad flu for about 3 or 4 days before recovering completely….months before any sort of 2 week lockdown was conceived to “flatten the curve” on a virus that was already circling the globe months before case zero in the US. The pirbright institute from the UK has a patent on the virus, and wouldn’t surprise me if the vaccine was already preconceived and concocted before its initial accidental or intentional release. Make no mistake people are dying, but whether or not the cases and fatalities are being convoluted in support of an agenda remains to be seen.

Cy Anse
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Cy Anse
3 years ago

QBAFI

I just want to make the end of the story.
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I just want to make the end of the story.
3 years ago
Reply to  Cy Anse
Free estimates
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Free estimates
3 years ago
Reply to  Cy Anse

Boy. You’re really adding to the conversation! Such insight. Much intelligence.

Ice
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Ice
3 years ago

Disinterestedobserver:
You do know its simple for any scientist to tell a natural virus from a man created one, right? The shape of the shell has telltale signs. And sorry to break it to you, but covid has been proven to be 100% natural by independent scientists all over the world..

DisinterestedObserver
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DisinterestedObserver
3 years ago
Reply to  Ice

https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X7sRlWmIbqv

Show me your independent scientific analyses please. If you want to refute my claim, please back it up with sources. This is the way debate works. I am open to the possibility of being wrong. Please enlighten us.

researcher
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researcher
3 years ago

Thats just what I was going to ask you. Where are the sources for your story. How do we find the patent, and how do you know it’s covid. Or did you just read the article that that had happened.

Just throwing up stuff with no references and then demanding that we prove you wrong and use supporting documentation tells me that you dont have any supporting evidence. If so please post.

researcher
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researcher
3 years ago
Reply to  researcher

I should add that I dont throw the theory out because it would have been at least a possibility. But I want to see hard facts, not theories. Thats when you can say this is it.

DisinterestedObserver
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DisinterestedObserver
3 years ago
Reply to  researcher

I included a link for the scientific paper which can be downloaded as a .pdf and read via adobe reader, which argues that the novel coronavirus has unusual features which suggest that it was a result of gain-of-function genetic manipulation. I am not a virologist and don’t claim to be one, but the paper clearly outlines several hypothesis as to why it may be true. This is how science and the scientific method works…there are hypotheses and scientists provide analyses based on information and observation to prove why the hypothesis may be correct. Don’t ask me to do your job of refuting the hypothesis, come up with some papers or research of your own that states a contrary opinion please.

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I just want to make the end of the story.
3 years ago

There are just too many lazy people who want to believe those ugly people on the mainstream media.

https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php

It’s one big nasty circle.

Gates company , microsoft, oddly enough, wrote the software for dominion voting machines.

I want to crush that pink sweaters all day.

https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2019/09/24/electionguard-available-today-to-enable-secure-verifiable-voting/

https://www.azmirror.com/2020/11/17/maricopa-county-vendor-dominion-voting-systems-at-center-of-false-conspiracies/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fob-AGgZn44

https://blackboxvoting.org/fraction-magic-video/

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
3 years ago

Dominion Voting Systems

California Counties that use Dominion:
Alameda, Butte, Contra Costa, Colusa, Del Norte, El Dorado, Fresno, Glenn, Imperial, Inyo, Kern, Kings, Madera, Mariposa, Marin, Mono, Monterey, Napa, Placer, Plumas, Riverside, Sacramento, San Benito, San Bernardino, San Diego, San Luis Obispo, San Francisco, San Mateo, Santa Barbara, Santa Clara, Santa Cruz, Shasta, Siskiyou, Sonoma, Sutter, Tehama, Tulare, Tuolumne, Ventura, and Yuba.

https://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ovsta/frequently-requested-information/voting-systems-used-counties/how-use-your-countys-voting-system/dominion-voting-systems-imagecast-evolution

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

Holy Shit, you still are touting this crap?

Time to move on.

Chris Christie gets it, why can’t you?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  HotCoffee

When did you become a Rudy Giuliani cheerleader?

And when will YOU admit the National National embarassment that Trump has become?

https://news.yahoo.com/chris-christie-trump-legal-team-national-embarrassment-165917679.html

researcher
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researcher
3 years ago

You miss my point. It’s still just a theory, and to claim it as fact hasn’t been proven. In the very beginning it was a very popular theory but fell out of grace after the animal human connection was found. No one can dispute that it has merit but if you make a claim that you know where it came from its up to you to show us how thats true, not visa versa. But it’s a small point and we may never know where this thing came from.

There’s million of studies out there working on different aspects of covid. And the scientific world is pretty much throwing their hands up and saying…..we haven’t got a clue. So I like to look at things from that angle. Nobodies got a clue and an open mind is needed to piece it together. The escaped virus is just one theory on it’s creation.

Im pedantic and have trouble with theory getting turned into fact. Not a big deal. Plus running on 2 hours sleep and heading for bed.

Sars-cov-2
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Sars-cov-2
3 years ago
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Gain of function research is not a conspiracy theory .Chinas BSL4 level lab is in wuhan.
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https://osp.od.nih.gov/biotechnology/gain-of-function-research/

Gain of Function Research

Certain gain-of-function studies with the potential to enhance the pathogenicity or transmissibility of potential pandemic pathogens (PPPs) have raised biosafety and biosecurity concerns, including the potential dual use risks associated with the misuse of the information or products resulting from such research.

On October 16, 2014, the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy announced the launch of the U.S. Government (USG) gain-of-function (GOF) deliberative process to re-evaluate the potential risks and benefits associated with certain GOF experiments. During this process the USG paused the release of federal funding for GOF studies anticipated to enhance the pathogenicity or transmissibility among mammals by respiratory droplets of influenza, MERS, or SARS viruses.

The NSABB served as the official federal advisory body on the GOF issue and was tasked with providing recommendations to the USG on a conceptual approach for evaluating proposed GOF research. The NSABB finalized its recommendations on May 24, 2016. The U.S. Government considered the NSABB’s findings and recommendations during the development of policy on gain-of-function research. In January 2017, the U.S. Government released policy guidance for the review and oversight of research anticipated to create, transfer, or use enhanced PPPs.

mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
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mlr the giant squirrel in Eureka
3 years ago

The Trump vaccine will establish 70% herd immunity by May 2021 if Biden just does nothing.

Cy Anse
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Cy Anse
3 years ago

Do you mean the Dolly vaccine? She did a lot more to get one moving than the Sir Golfs-A-Lot. All Trump has done is, well nothing. At least nothing that made a positive contribution to handling this crisis. That was at least part of the reason he’s been fired by the American electorate.

I did just find this headline which shows how much Sir Golfs-A-Lot really cares about the American people:
From Forbes magazine.
“Operation Warp Speed Head Says He’s Been Instructed Not To Share Vaccine Information With Biden Team”

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
3 years ago

This should inspire your confidence ( sarc)

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Overview

These landscape documents have been prepared by the World Health Organization (WHO) for information purposes only concerning the 2019-2020 global of the novel coronavirus. Inclusion of any particular product or entity in any of these landscape documents does not constitute, and shall not be deemed or construed as, any approval or endorsement by WHO of such product or entity (or any of its businesses or activities). While WHO takes reasonable steps to verify the accuracy of the information presented in these landscape documents, WHO does not make any (and hereby disclaims all) representations and warranties regarding the accuracy, completeness, fitness for a particular purpose (including any of the aforementioned purposes), quality, safety, efficacy, merchantability and/or non-infringement of any information provided in these landscape documents and/or of any of the products referenced therein. WHO also disclaims any and all liability or responsibility whatsoever for any death, disability, injury, suffering, loss, damage or other prejudice of any kind that may arise from or in connection with the procurement, distribution or use of any product included in any of these landscape documents.

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https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/draft-landscape-of-covid-19-candidate-vaccines

So exactly what ARE they good for besides pushing drugs they take no responsibility for?

As for the FDA they can’t even find the listeria in your lettuce until 6 mos after you eat it.

Lone Ranger
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Lone Ranger
3 years ago

I hear if FDA doesn’t put vaccine in service, Trump will give all doses to Mexico, because they aren’t afraid to use it. Go Trump

Beggerscantbechoosers
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3 years ago

Its really sad that people die. Shit happens. We have 250 k deaths of our fellow countryman. Republican or dem whatever their views they have loved ones. Maybe we take time to appreciate each other. But its hard to take others concern for others seriously when you look at deaths in the millions of innocent civilians dying because of our governments wars. Deaths from trauma related accidents. Deaths from medical issues. Deaths from suicides( no one brings that up) loss of quality of life and future effects on children from the pandemic is the counter. Lets not jump down each others throat. We need to express our differences of opinions. I don’t agree with the lockdown mentality. I could argue it on so many levels. Experts don’t know everything by any means that term is just for the ones to be deceived. This virus is childsplay to what could come. I hope it doesn’t but we got lucky its not more deadly. Death needs to be addressed on a cultural level. I’ve lost alot in not connecting to people but I want to respect others fear of death. We need to except our fate which is nature has given something to adapt to. We are grossly overpopulated and unhealthy. Go freakin exercise and take of yourselves. Stop being gluttonous and lazy.

Straight forward reverse psychology
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Straight forward reverse psychology
3 years ago

If over 50 percent of transmission happens in the home, wouldn’t it be safer to not be at home?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago

Six of one, half dozen of the other.

Next they’ll mandate a lockout and keep people from going home.

I just want to make the end of the story.
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I just want to make the end of the story.
3 years ago
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Freedom is the biggest disease the technocrats are worried about.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago

I think freedom is collateral damage. The technocrats and power elite assume they have the vision and intelligence to guide the future of humankind… for our own good.

Evil is sometimes wrapped in the clothes of good intentions.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Is this a contest to see how ignorant we can be while shouting a word that makes us feel better about it?

Hilarious.

Free estimates
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Free estimates
3 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

You mean like using words like, “facism?”

Straight forward reverse psychology
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Straight forward reverse psychology
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

They’ll call it a freedom camp not lockout

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago

You’ve been free to learn on the internet, and chose to lockdown your brain in ignorance.

Freedom ain’t really working for you it seems.

S. Strall
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S. Strall
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

You can spell, and use a computer obviously. How do you NOT get how a Pandemic works? You must have few friends because it appears that Covid has not taken someone YOU know. I would think you could at least imagine it.
Guess not.

HotCoffee
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HotCoffee
3 years ago

Manufacturing Consent – Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media is a 1988 book by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky arguing that the mass communication media of the U.S. “are effective and powerful ideological institutions that carry out a system-supportive propaganda function, by reliance on market forces, internalized assumptions, and self-censorship, and without overt coercion”, by means of the propaganda model of communication.[1] The title refers to consent of the governed, and derives from the phrase “the manufacture of consent” used by Walter Lippmann in Public Opinion (1922).[2] The book was honored with the Orwell Award.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

FBnative
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3 years ago

With the restrictions on the local population, it still makes me wonder why the health department allows tourists to freely travel from place to place. People in their R V ‘s , not wearing masks, no enforcement, Motels still available. It should be very obvious that free travel is a real danger for spread of this pandemic. It would not be so bad if safety guidelines were followed, but they are not. The most concern for me is all of the out of state people. There are as many people in Fort Bragg, as on a summer weekend. How can you protect local populations when allowing contact from outside sources.

Straight forward reverse psychology
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Straight forward reverse psychology
3 years ago

S. strall, the pandemic expert, how do you not know how independent thoughts work?

Top three causes of death in u.s?
1 & 2 – heart disease and cancer
#3 – medical malpractice
There’s a good place to start in the critical thinking game. How come no masks from tuberculosis pandemic that killed one and half million last year?

W
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W
3 years ago

Why not use facts from a pandemic instead of war

W
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W
3 years ago

Is it to fit a narrative?

W
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W
3 years ago

Stats on cases and deaths

W
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W
3 years ago

Stats on testing

Patrick Smith
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Patrick Smith
3 years ago

Will it lead to a massive upturn in fines for violating HIPAA.

https://www.compliancehome.com/civil-penalty-for-unknowingly-violating-hipaa/