[UPDATE 9:10 p.m.] Multiple Fires Sprang Up Southeast of Hoopa in the Tish Tang Road Area
Smoke rising from fires southeast of Hoopa. [Photo from Maria Jean Ulrich]
Victoria Rousseau, a resident of the area, said, “I’m sitting in my back yard watering and you can tell by the timing they all started. Someone lit them as they went down the hill.”
The CHP Traffic Incident Information Page reports a request for extra patrols on Hwy 299 and Hwy 96 looking for a vehicle that might be dragging chains.
![Smoke rising from fires southeast of Hoopa. [Photo from Victoria Rousseau]](https://kymkemp.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Multiple-starts.jpg)
Smoke rising from fires southeast of Hoopa. [Photo from Victoria Rousseau]
“Fire is burning up slope in steep rugged terrain,” the Coordination Center states.
A helicopter fighting the Jones Point Fire. [Photo by Carlos Estrada Jr.]
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CHP link appears to be broken.
https://cad.chp.ca.gov/traffic.aspx
Not much additional information at the moment.
Kym, you have a typo on your CHP link:
https://cad.chp.ca.gov/traffic.aspx
Thank you, Ullr. Fixed.
Boy, holding my words. There is a lung pandemic you self absorbed orifice of excrement. Worthless scum.
Yes, this is also exactly how I felt in regards to looting, rioting, and burning of American cities by BLM! I know my post will likely get censored over this but here goes anyway!
Yes this is exactly how I feel about right wing extremists who did the following. And if you truly believe in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, then you need to be aware that our country has been stolen from us by what is now termed the one percent, the oligarchy, it doesn’t matter what you call them. Since WWII they have amassed power through racial tension, red baiting, amassing wealth to buy politicians, you name it. I’m opposed to any looting or property damage and hate when a handful of individuals, hell bent on property destruction and theft, destroy the whole purpose of a demonstration, but how much of was started like this. (From an article I’m writing)
“In truth some of the worst violence associated with them is actually coming from agent provocateurs like the ‘umbrella man’, a protester who started the looting and arson in Minneapolis in the early days of the protests. He was later, (by police reports), found to be a member of the white supremacist Aryan Cowboys, as well as the Hells Angels. There was no looting or arson until ‘umbrella man’ opened the door. Even then most protesters tried to stop him and had nothing to do with the looting and arson that followed.
And last month, federal prosecutors charged supporters of the right-wing “Boogaloo Boys” for incidents including killing of a security officer at a federal courthouse and planting firebombs and explosives at a government building and peaceful protests, all with the aim of stoking racial conflict.”
You mean leftwing extremists although there is little difference because political thought is circular not linear
most of the .00001% are left wing, and some are extremist — “Competition is a sin” — remember the enemy of your enemy is your friend.
You guys think a guy with a million bucks or two must be in some vast conspiracy to hurt the poor.
The masters of the universe view a person with a million bucks as broke.
In fighting will get us nowhere. No one on these message boards is the .00000001%.
Starting a fire in Hoopa will not hurt the .000000001%
Throwing rocks at police will not hurt the .000000001%
Maybe Bernie Sanders “Make Billionaires Pay Act” which actually taxes the .00000000001% will help.
Maybe ending the Fed, or electing someone that the media hates like Trump will help longer term.
The status quo is the issue, not your brother or sister in poverty who has GOD FORBID a million or two in rapidly debased savings.
DONT START FIRES… it only helps the .0000000000001%
This. A divided polity is sooo much easer to control and maintain. Decentralization of power and narritive control is necessary not only for our near-term, but many other species as well.
It’s funny you notice that because from your posts you seem to be in the ‘right wing fundamentalist’ camp. You know where the word fundament comes from? But I agree with your sentiment. Between antivaxxing and Bill gates conspiracy theories, the right and left wing -nuts have a lot in common. Including getting their news from low level online news sites and chat rooms.
Yes- they all look alike to the lefties. But then who they identify as right wing likely all have one thing in common- distrust of government control. It is likely that the schizophrenia that is necessary to be an American liberal is founded on their need to use government to enforce detailed rules on acceptable human behavior. So anyone who objects to that kind if control must all look the same no matter how dissimilar in ideology. Liberals never have enough government, believing in the nobility of the common man if just no longer abused by the powerful, but only theoretical government because the minute they have even a small amount of power, they become the abusers, attacking anyone who doesn’t conform.
Is it even possible for a person to be liberal and not be a tyrant? I suspect only as long as they stay out of power and completely in their most congenial role of ineffective complainers.
How did this get from a fire outbreak in Hoopa, to a conspiracy rant about BLM. Where is your focus loonie? Umbrella Man? WTF LOL
The consumers of conspiracy theories all have one thing in common- they are sure that someone else is the problem. Right or left. Doesn’t matter- the paranoid always know.
Yep, conspiracy is rampant from both camps, people ruining their reputations locally and globally repeating utube and documentary bullshit designed to rile up the population. The gullible lap this shit up, it rots their brains.
Still waiting for Hillary to get arrested, 😂😂😂😂
I should kick myself off for inflaming the political situation…
Thanks for reminding us of who the real culprits are despite what some political leaders are espousing. By falsely reinforcing that the “left” is responsible for the looting, etc., the President and his cronies continue to promote divisiveness and dissent–not what leaders should be doing–and especially for their own gain (to remain in office).
I hope this November 3 voters elect those who have shown their commitment to and support for our Constitution and the laws that are meant to protect us. We the People need to stand together to right the wrongs, fix the broken and begin a new day.
Seen more rioting after a Super Bowl win! Just saying.
Yeah, The Vancouver, BC riots after the Canucks lost was off the charts.
And SF after their team won!
Except the Portland riots are now on day #72.
There have not been 72 days of rioting. 72 days of protests? Yes. Rioting has occurred, certainly.
The whole thing had begun to settle down until the Little green men showed up. And NOW this “Liberation” group pops up…out in east/southeast Portland.
Find a day where there was no rioting in past 72 in Portland.
“After weeks of rioting and nightly attacks on federal officers and property, activity in the vicinity of the Mark O. Hatfield Federal Courthouse continues in an overall trend of diminishing violence. Sunday night (8/3) marked the first night in over 60 days during which rioters did not attack federal property in Portland. ”
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/08/03/portland-riots-read-out-august-3
The DHS says what? Seriously, you talk about biased sources and then you use them as a reliable source?
LOL….the same DHS that tear gassed the Mayor of Portland?
He was in the vicinity of tear gas in use, he wasn’t specifically targeted.
Regardless, can you refute the account of 60 straight days of attacks on the federal courthouse with some reference? I’ve been watching videos posted every night from Portland “protests” showing violence for the past couple of months.
Dude, the Chad Wolf DHS is the last place you should go for “facts” when talking about Portland. Trump wanted to make a splash for political purposes and chose Portland. Wolf obliged. It was pure politics.
[Thanks, I didn’t catch that.]
“Portland official says protests were winding down — until the federal troops showed up.”
As I can’t reply to your comment….the Portland officials, you know, the people that live there..might know more than Trump. From the Governor on down.
Uh huh, Portland politicians are unbiased… as much as Trump.
[Your link is to yahoo mail]
Riot declared in Portland after police union building set on fire
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/riot-declared-portland-after-police-union-building-set-on-fire-2020-08-09/?__twitter_impression=true
I can’t imagine anyone in that area intentionally starting a fire. (eye roll)
It isn’t something specific to “That area”.
The largest fire in eastern Oregon this year (as well as a couple of others) was arson. Sadly, some fire bugs like to burn the woods.
Hell, in my little town, we were the victims of an arsonist.
Many years ago, we were woke up in the middle of the night by our truck’s horn going off. Got up and saw it was engulfed in flames. I didn’t have a phone at the time so I threw on a little house coat and was running for the fire station which was 3 blocks away…I got around the corner and saw firetrucks already trying to put another car on fire out. “We got another one!” shouted one of the firefghters.
Turns out the arsonist had set a house’s porch on fire, went half a block, set that car on fire, then another block to our truck and then went further down the hill and tried to set the back of a restaurant on fire.
Firebugs are everywhere. Some for the thrill, some to hide crimes (a notorious ranching family in Oregon set a fire to hide their poaching…there were firefighters camped above the deliberately set fire, but were able to escape.)
They are concentrated in Hoopa. A Hoopa firefighter told me that more than 90% of the wildland fires they respond to are arson.
Okay, that is fair. Is it possible that there is one firebug that has never been caught? Over the years?
Per my experience above, “my” arsonists was never caught, even though he (and we are sure it is a he) repeated the same event several more times over a couple of years.
I was later talking to the then Chief of Police about it and he said that they pretty much knew who it was, but the arsonist’s wife would always protect the guy, even though she was the one who told the police in the first place. Seems like the guy, when they had fights, would go on a tear of setting fires.
Some in Hoopa believe it is a cultural right to light off the hillsides since the Hupa’s used to regularly burn the valley from time immemorial.
Well “some” are doing it wrong then. Light up the valley floor, not the mountains., if that is the reasoning (and I use that word lightly).
I know Hoopa is notorious for the arsons.
I’m just touchy about arson caused fires, period. In Oregon, we have had huge forest fires because of humans, deliberate or not. having been the victim of one and been in fire ravaged areas as soon as they “open” while some of the area is still smoldering. Again eastern Oregon.
I don’t think there is much reasoning involved… it’s an excuse.
Controlled burns in November make sense. Uncontrolled burns in August do not.
Yes, but their ancestors didnt light the mountains in august on a windy day from rhe bottom up. They used to wait until just before a storm in fall and light the mountain tops and let them creep downhill…
ULLR reveals himself , nothing new…
Do you care to elaborate?
Yes, I didn’t say anything to the contrary. .. although I did do a cursory search for a reference on when they burned in the valley (I know Bald Hills are bald because of historic burning)and could find no specifics. The assumption is fall but that’s bases on current forest ecology and fire danger and the forests in Hoopa 150 years ago, undoubtedly, we’re very different. Lighting off a field in August may not have been a big deal if the surrounding forests were dominated by mature trees and minimal under story.
I agree. Any fires 150 to 13,000 years ago (from the article I previously linked), whether natural or man-made, were likely left to burn unimpeded, leaving very little fuel to burn in subsequent fires, unlike today. My understanding is that, when there is minimal fuel on the ground the fire does not burn hot enough to reach the canopy. So, yes, I believe, even if they burned above the valley floor it would not have been as devastating as it would be today.
Your comment got me searching the web and I found this article on just that. It’s long and I have not finished it, but so far I have not seen mention of arson in current practice. Very interesting subject and practice by the original inhabitants.
Edit: forgot link!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/21/wildfire-prescribed-burns-california-native-americans
Thanks for the link.
Arson was mentioned twice… pretty much in same context I mentioned it.
“The fire suppression and the rules that govern who can put fires on the land pretty much criminalized the average person from burning,” said Robbins.
“It’s called arson now if you want to go out and do any burning,” said Bill Tripp, deputy director of eco-cultural revitalization for the Karuk tribe Department of Natural Resources. “It has been a continual practice, but there may be only a few individuals or families doing it on a small scale here today.”
And [quote]:
Indigenous people don’t eschew the use of modern science – they just know this land, burned it and benefited from it for thousands of years. But convincing all the fire-fearful is still an uphill battle.
“A lot of them just still think we’re all arsonists,” said O’Rourke.
And the growth of support for prescribed burning at large is not necessarily all good news for native people, either. Tripp worries that transferring traditional ecological knowledge could mean being wholly co-opted, losing control of burning their land in a different way.
Hoopa gets up to 300 arson starts,a year. It has been rhe number one arson area in California for many years. Calfire used to train new wildfire Investigators there until funding for that got cut. Its a whole other level there of arson compared to other places…
Any information on why that is?
🕯🌳I thought this thread was about a fire in Hoopa?
This is a common occurrence near or on the reservation.
Has been for years. Although some of the fires in past history in the area have been from dragging chains.
Dragging chains? Come on, that’s a dirt road where these started. No ones buying that..
It’d be a smart move to install some motion cameras on these back roads during peak fire season. It would be a much more cost effective approach and do a better job at getting to the source of these yearly Hoopah fires. They have been happening like this every year of my life like clockwork. Always in steep unpopulated land, always these few weeks of the year.
You volunteering to screen them? If you could keep them from being stolen or vandalised…
They can be accessed by computer or phone. They can be hidden. Seems it would be cheaper than fighting dangerous fires.
And some wonder why I’m misanthropic?
Bwah hah hah hah hah!
I’ll be the nihilist if you’ll be the misanthrope!♥️
Oh, I believe there’s meaning to life. I just hate what people do to what’s an otherwise beautiful existence. Yes, there are wonderful things about people (compassion, intellect, creativity, music, art, philosophy…). But I don’t believe humanity can evolve fast enough beyond our self-destructive natures before destroying this planet and most other species on it.
We are, right now, one virus mutation away from returning this garden of Eden to the wildlife that rightfully deserve it. And that’s the cleanest, least destructive way to take care of this anthropocentric two-legged plague without harming the rest of the planet’s inhabitants.
Twelve Monkeys, baby.
Twelve Monkeys.
About time get these worthless law enforment scrambling for workers and firefighters 🚒 instead of busting weed grows.