DFW Served Warrant Last Week on Property That Had a Humboldt County Permit But Not a State Permit

water diversion

A water diversion [Photo provided by DFW]

Last Thursday, July 23, the California Department of Fish and Wildlife along with the  Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office, and assisted by CalCannabis Cultivation Licensing, served a search warrant on a property in the Swains Flat area.

“A records check confirmed the property had no state license to cultivate commercial cannabis,” wrote Janice Mackey, Public Information Officer for the Department of Fish and Wildlife. The property, however, had a permit from Humboldt County.

Mackey told us, “During the warrant, officers eradicated 2,181 cannabis plants and confiscated 497 lbs of drying processed cannabis.”

She said there were several environmental violations. “Scientific staff observed two water diversions that were diverting 100 percent of the stream flow to water the cannabis plants, which is in violation of FGC 1602(a),” she explained. “Staff also documented two violations of FGC 5650(a)(6) due to sediment delivery caused by an improperly placed culvert and overflowing water tanks that were associated with commercial cultivation activities.”

Six people were detained in connection with the search warrant but were not arrested. According to Mackey, “A formal complaint will be submitted to the Humboldt County District Attorney’s Office for consideration.”

Below are a list of known Humboldt County Marijuana Enforcement Actions So Far in 2020. This includes both those headed by the DFW and those headed by the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Marijuana Enforcement Team:

  1. On Monday, April 27: Marijuana Enforcement Team (MET) Served Search Warrant in the Mattole Road Area
  2. On Wednesday, April 29: Indoor Grow Raided Today
  3. On Thursday, April 30: Marijuana Enforcement Team Served Search Warrant in Garberville Yesterday
  4. On Friday, May 8:  878 Plants Eradicated in Redway Bust
  5. On Monday, May 11Over 17,000 Plants Eradicated at Miranda Property Today, Says Sheriff’s Office
  6. On Tuesday, May 12: There wasn’t a press release but at our request, Karges was able to gather some details for us. She told us,

    …[D]eputies with the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office Marijuana Enforcement Team (MET) served two search warrants to investigate illegal cannabis cultivation in the Cathy’s Peak area of Honeydew. The California Department of Fish and Wildlife assisted in the service of the warrant.

    Two parcels were investigated during the service of the warrants. The parcels did not possess the required county permit and state license to cultivate cannabis commercially.

    During the service of the warrants, deputies eradicated approximately 2,000 growing cannabis plants.

    Additional violations with civil fines are expected to be filed by the assisting agencies.

    No arrests were made during the service of the warrant. The case will be forwarded to the DA’s Office for review.

  7. On Wednesday, May 13: Citizens’ Complaints Lead to Marijuana Bust on Wilder Ridge, Says Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office 
  8. On May 14, Karges said a search warrant was served in the Dinsmore area. At this point we haven’t received information on what MET discovered. We will request information again.
  9. On Friday, May 15: Over 14,000 Plants and Nearly 2000 Pounds of Marijuana Found at Salmon Creek Grow, Says HCSO MET Team 
  10. On May 20, Karges confirmed that there were search warrants served in Southern Humboldt but she hadn’t been able to gather details at the time we requested information. We have reports that at least one warrant was served in the Weott area. We will request information again.
  11. On May 26, MET went to a Large Indoor Grow in the Weitchpec area–18,690 Plants and 818 Pounds.
  12. On May 27, MET Served three search warrants on parcels without any permits in the Dinsmore area.
  13. On May 29, MET eradicated approximately 58,395 growing cannabis plants on a Blocksburg property without any permits.
  14. On June 3, MET eradicated about 353 plants as well as 62 grams of meth and prescription pills packaged for sales. The grow–in the area of Tobacco Road, Petrolia–did not possess any permits. One woman was cited and released. One person fled.
  15. On June 4, MET served four search warrants in the Alderpoint/Rancho Sequoia area. Deputies eradicated approximately 10,299 growing cannabis plants and confiscated a ghost gun.
  16. On June 5, we had a report of a convoy in SoHum but no further information. We will request information again.
  17. On June 17, MET served two search warrants in the Blocksburg area. “One parcel did not possess the required county permit and state license to cultivate cannabis commercially. The second parcel did not possess the required state license to cultivate cannabis commercially.” One person was cited. In addition, one trespass grow was eradicated.
  18. On June 22, a law enforcement convoy went to Fruitland Ridge and to Eel Rock Road. We will request information again.
  19. On June 24, MET “served two search warrants to investigate illegal cannabis cultivation in the Mad River drainage area of Dinsmore…[D]eputies eradicated approximately 10,735 growing cannabis plants.”
  20. On June 25, MET served two search warrants in the Mattole River drainage area of Honeydew. “One parcel possessed the required county permit but did not possess a state license to cultivate cannabis commercially. The other parcel investigated did not possess the required county permit and state license to cultivate cannabis commercially…[D]eputies eradicated approximately 7,930 growing cannabis plants.”
  21. On June 30, a convoy went to Holmes Flat in Redcrest, then to Fruitland Ridge in the Kelsey Lane area, and returned to a Salmon Creek watershed property. See lead story here.
  22. On July 14MET served one search warrant at a parcel without any permits in the Shively area and eradicated approximately 2,600 growing cannabis plants. Also, “MET deputies served one search warrant at a parcel in the Honeydew area. The parcel did not possess the required state license to cultivate cannabis commercially. “[D]deputies eradicated approximately 6,900 growing cannabis plants.”
  23. On July 15MET served a search warrant at a Briceland farm that had a County permit but not a state permit and “eradicated approximately 2,000 growing cannabis plants….MET deputies also visited an additional cannabis cultivation operation in Briceland. Upon contact with the parcel owner, deputies learned the parcel had just received its state license and verified that it was in compliance with current state and local orders.”
  24. On July 23, see lead story above.
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Cannabis Is Legal
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Cannabis Is Legal
3 years ago

Cannabis is legal.

Mr. Bear
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Mr. Bear
3 years ago

Not completely, obviously

Miranda
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Miranda
3 years ago

Stealing water is not legal.

cu2morrow
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cu2morrow
3 years ago

define “legal”

P*** W***lies
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P*** W***lies
3 years ago

Needs to be decriminalized.

Mike
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Mike
3 years ago
Reply to  P*** W***lies

Defund Fish and Wildlife.

Rye fucking Hoine
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3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

Yes

Freakshow
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Freakshow
3 years ago

Who is calcannabis cultivation licensing and why are they assisting police shouldn’t they be assisting farmers get through the licensing process instead of bustling people wtf

PinkAsso
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PinkAsso
3 years ago

How can you be diverting 100% of streamflow and also have over flowing water tanks? Overflow dosnt count?

Mr. Bear
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Mr. Bear
3 years ago
Reply to  PinkAsso

Because you are diverting the water to the remote tanks which are then overflowing?

Juju Bee
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3 years ago
Reply to  Mr. Bear

This is ridiculous! With all that is going on today, we could make better use of our personnel!! Let’s defund those agencies and move the staffs to perform more constructive tasks than to worry about “pot” growers with so many regulations that it is difficult for anyone to follow! Pot was voted legal!!!!

HumboldtBiologist
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HumboldtBiologist
3 years ago
Reply to  PinkAsso

The 100% is a percentage of water taken from the stream flow. Basically whatever structure they were using to divert water from the creek was not allowing any stream flow to bypass and was diverting all flow. Although I can’t speak for this grow, I can tell you this is statement regularly embellished by state agents. Overflow from storage tanks does not necessarily return to the creek and thus you can divert 100% of a stream and still have your tanks overflowing, which is just plain waste. Returning stream flow is better although this usually results in a reach of the stream missing out on the diverted water, installing a float valve that prevents further diversion once storage is full is the best, ecologically speaking.

I like stars
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I like stars
3 years ago

Installing a float valve is also cheap and easy. There is no excuse for diverting 100% of flow.

HumboldtBiologist
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HumboldtBiologist
3 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

100% agreed. Technically the float valve doesn’t have bearing on the percentage of diversion, it just prevents waste.

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
3 years ago

Notice these recent raids have resulted in F&G violations only. Seems Sheriff’s office is providing backup. I think what’s happening is complaints are being made to either CDFW or CDFA when complaints to HCSO aren’t followed up on.

THC
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THC
3 years ago

So, how is that whole voting for more government oversight of your life turning out for you? Sad thing is it looks like Californians will keep it up until there’s nothing left of our freedoms in this state…

Country Bumpkin
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Country Bumpkin
3 years ago
Reply to  THC

Then they will complain about the quality of life where they live, move somewhere nice, over run the area, change the local culture and repeat the cycle.

rollin
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rollin
3 years ago
Reply to  THC

No matter how many examples liberals are given of the government ruining their lives, stealing their freedoms and displaying their complete greed and incompetency, invariably they still want more. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Humboldtdan
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Humboldtdan
3 years ago
Reply to  rollin

Conservatives has ruined more lives than liberals have. How many soldiers lives and families destroyed by unnecessary wars? How many small businesses killed by the likes of Walmart and Amazon?

Local farmer
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Local farmer
3 years ago
Reply to  Humboldtdan

Unfortunately the liberals and the conservatives both are running shitshows. Two wings of the fierce shitbird.

P*** W***lies
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P*** W***lies
3 years ago
Reply to  Humboldtdan

No, you really must learn how to place the blame where it needs to be.

We’ve been lowering the bar on just about anything that can be monopolized and streamlined and vertically integrated.

Consolidation is not going to help working class people.

The corporate overlords of big tech, and just about every other sector will follow the instructions and directions of the world’s largest investment houses, because the people who want change have been working very hard at it for years,

Billionaires Boys Club Has The Road Map…

You just need to watch the signs to know where they are going to take us.

rollin
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rollin
3 years ago
Reply to  Humboldtdan

” How many soldiers lives and families destroyed by unnecessary wars?”

Many lives have been destroyed by unnecessary wars at the hands of both conservatives and liberals. A weaker central government backed by sound money is the ONLY thing that will fix that. That is not even remotely close to being on the liberal radar, just the opposite. My point remains, liberalism is a mental disorder.

” How many small businesses killed by the likes of Walmart and Amazon?”

Says the guy who undoubtedly shops at one, if not both of those. How are liberals “fixing” that problem? Oh yeah, they’re not. My point remains-liberalism is a mental disorder.

MikeyC
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MikeyC
3 years ago

We need the punishment for illegally diverting stream flow to be more serious. Water levels are so critically low, and many are getting away with it.

Dice roll
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Dice roll
3 years ago

I crossed my fingers last year and grew with my county permit and no state license. I hired AgDynamix to help with the permitting process. They dropped the ball and my state provisional expired in April. After a last minute scramble for me to study and get the remaining application paperwork submitted, it took the state 4.5 months to process it and reinstate my provisional license mid September. I have a small permit and a very tidy property with no environmental damage, so I felt like a very small target and went for it. Now I’m back on track with county, state , and CDFW. The whole process is a FUCKING SHIT SHOW! With all the red tape, I have to pay over 8000$ to replace a $300 rusty culvert on my driveway and replace a newer and functional culvert, without a road over it, and “upgrade from 12″ to 18”. Feels a bit like extortion. The only reason I’m still in the game is because I’m stubborn, found a clean qualified property, and had a few family members to take a loan from. A few years back Estelle or John Ford were at those public meeting telling everyone to sign up and get permitted. “Its not that hard… you can fill it all out yourself.” Fucking tools.

seamus
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seamus
3 years ago
Reply to  Dice roll

Try working any state contract, you will see that the shit show applies to not only cannabis permitting.

Cynthia
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Cynthia
3 years ago
Reply to  Dice roll

Extortion is the supervisors game, In the beginning we where told 1000 bucks for a permit, I went to all those meetings with Estelle, I asked why such high fines and she said it’s so they know we mean business, then she gave herself a 4000 dollar raise, she took away Farmers lands, those fees and fines that where owed are now being liened, and so the county gets rich and the families that built this community in the old days are out of there lives work, the injustice and the corruption is unparalleled , I still have my land , I was not growing yet I got an abatement notice on the grow that was across the creek, I did not receive paper till I had four days left of the ten days, I rallied my friends and thank goodness only had to pay 600 for paperwork, when I called the planning and building department they were adament I had a grhs , I had to go in to see that it wasn’t my property, they left me sitting for three hrs waiting to see what they were going to do to me, the stress was unbelievable, when u think u could loose everything , we should be compensated, if anyone starts a lawsuit against the injustice of these fines and time frame sign me up, still upset , and feel for others that are still going the crap show , and second Humboldt county land grab by the …

dirty
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dirty
3 years ago

Looks like a complaint from the neighbors

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
3 years ago

Looks like the county wasn’t doing a thorough enough job with oversight, if they gave this property a permit.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
3 years ago
Reply to  Willow Creeker

Permit first, follow up oversight 3 years later. What a joke. In the meantime the county has no idea what’s going on and what impact they are having on their neighbors. Apparently the county gives zero fucks as long as they pay their taxes and fees, they even let them get away with a black market harvests.

Cultivators
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Cultivators
3 years ago

Have all your ducks in a row all the t’s crossed and I’s dotted.You just can’t have an AG permit or just have county permit .

JB
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JB
3 years ago

It takes two to do. Or in the case of commercial cannabis cultivation, three or four (permits).

If you don’t have them all, proceed at your own risk.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

Going halfway (or less) through the legal process is more of a pay to pray scenario, than a pay to play.

Diane
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Diane
3 years ago

Wonder how much they paid the county for the permit. Also wonder how many times the county went out to check out the property. Seems to me it’s a pay to play scheme with county

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
3 years ago
Reply to  Diane

County probably NEVER checked the property. Looked at a map, looked at satellite, looked at site plan drawn up by consultant and boom, black market weed for a couple years.

Local farmer
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Local farmer
3 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

County does an inspection before permit is issued. Once state license is issued it’s an annual inspection.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago

That’s it? That’s a tiny spring box with, at most, a 3/4″ line. I doubt it’s producing 1 gpm. Unless it’s right next to a larger stream that spring isn’t making it to another as surface flow. The majority is probably sub-suface.

I like stars
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I like stars
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

https://hy-techroofdrains.com/water-flow-through-a-pipe/

Maybe I’m missing something, but it looks like a 3/4″ line can flow 11 gpm at atmospheric pressure. That’s 660 gph or 15,840 gallons per day. By my standards that’s quite a bit of water.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago
Reply to  I like stars

3/4 can do more, but I was looking in the spring box and surrounding area. It’s a dribble.

Mike
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Mike
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

I got a letter from the water board demanding to know where I got my water, I told them “the store” haven’t heard back yet, I figure their trying to pass a bill making that illegal too.

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike

You’re such a rebel wow

Dogbiter
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Dogbiter
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Right you are. If that is 100% stream diversion, you didn’t have a stream to begin with. More like a muddy spot you might want to jump over.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
3 years ago
Reply to  Dogbiter

You’d be surprised how easy it is to dry up a stream, especially this time of year.

ino
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ino
3 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Just about every ‘creek’ in California is susceptible to running dry during drought years.

thetallone
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thetallone
3 years ago
Reply to  Dogbiter

Well that’s what DFW do. To them, some muddy spot with a few ferns around it is a waterway, at least for the purpose of writing up violations.

the misadventures of bunjee
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the misadventures of bunjee
3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Ullr, that spring box looks like it’s 80 years old too. If F&W wants to bust people out for those, then pretty much everyone with a hill property over the last century needs to be cited. Those were very common for cistern use (as my long dead realatives had used) for drinking water or just livestock. Long before the first pot plants were ever grown around here. I would definitely challenge their assessment.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
3 years ago

It’s definitely old… maybe not 80 years, but a telltale sign is concrete… the modern grower uses plastic…

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
3 years ago

If it’s for cannabis you can’t do it. Anything else it’s ok 👍 they have pretty much told me as much

FBnative
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3 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

That springbox looks like it’s been there forever!

Waste of our tax dollars
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Waste of our tax dollars
3 years ago

So out of all the grows and crime in humboldt county they decided to go to a property where the owner had paid to participate and be part of the system? With all the fancy equipment and millions of dollars are spending they can’t find a property that is 100% not participating??? No wonder the whole community feels the way they do about the supes and law enforcement. My question is, was the owner of the property a local resident, And was the money they were going to make on that farm going to get spent in our county that desperately needs every dollar It can get to stay alive during the pandemic? We’re the workers going to spend their money in our community? If so then why not let them succeed and hit them with civil penalties so that the community wins and everybody gets paid?

JB
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JB
3 years ago

// “…can’t find a property that is 100% not participating???” //

So if they let the cultivator who is only halfway there grow, there are loud cries of “The county is allowing ‘pay for play’ and not enforcing the laws as long as they got their money. If they enforce the law on the cultivator who only went halfway (the easy half), you cry that’s unfair as well.

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

The deal is the county says on your interim permit that you are allowed to cultivate while seeking your state permit. This whole permit process is like playing Hopscotch with invisible markers. Oops you landed on the wrong square, you’re out!

JB
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JB
3 years ago
Reply to  Fndrbndr

// “The deal is the county says on your interim permit that you are allowed to cultivate while seeking your state permit.”//

Nope. Nonsense. Myth. There is no such deal and the County says no such thing.

There is simply no legal commercial cannabis cultivation without a State license. “Seeking your state permit” is exactly the same as not having one.

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

//”Nope. Nonsense. Myth. There is no such deal and the County says no such thing.

There is simply no legal commercial cannabis cultivation without a State license. “Seeking your state permit” is exactly the same as not having one.”//.

You don’t know what you are talking about. Read my next post. Apologies are always accepted.

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
3 years ago
Reply to  Fndrbndr

Gotcha

JB
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JB
3 years ago
Reply to  Fndrbndr

LOL. Nice try, and you’ll have an apology if due, but we’re not done yet. Without further review this is a perfect example of how misinformation gets thrown around and becomes legend. Are you here for the duration for are you going to slink away when I prove you wrong?

From your document, here is the sentence in question:

“//The zoning clearance certificate for the interim permit allows you to continue cultivation operations and apply for a state license while the planning application is processed to decision.”//

My bet is that the above wording is intended for someone who the County believes holds a State PROVISIONAL license and is still in the application process of applying for their full State annual license.

For the State to continue processing the full annual application, they must be in good standing with the County or that process would stop. The County is saying here that they will allow that State application to proceed AND the addressed party can continue to cultivate on the State PROVISIONAL license in the meantime.

To someone who doesn’t understand the function of the State “temp/provisional/annual” license structure, intertwined with what the State calls “local approval” (Humboldt County in this case) it would look like that sentence is telling the addressee exactly what you claim — but it isn’t. John Ford isn’t out telling people they can grow without a State license. I guarantee you this is merely legend created from ignorance and incomplete information.

To prove my point, I will be sending a copy of your posted image to the County Planning Department and asking them to clarify the situation. I promise you that if I’m wrong you’ll have your apology, but we’re going to get the input from the County on what is meant (and I’ll bet a fairly large sum that I know what is meant).

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

Place your bet now. Please get a clarification by all means. Do all the things you can to justify yourself. I will take your bet if you can muster the fortitude to actually place one. I work with the county on a daily basis. The permit holder clearly stated to planning that they will enter state compliance once the county has granted it’s permission.
It clearly states the permittee can continue cultivation AND apply for the state. Comprehension isn’t your best attribute. You really need to get off your high horse and realize what’s going on around here.
Permission has been granted to continue without a state permit although the permit holder will not operate commercially untill the state license is granted.
We always love these arguments, untill proven wrong. Suck it up buttercup.

JB
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JB
3 years ago
Reply to  Fndrbndr

No worries. We’ll let the County settle it. 🙂

You’ll find I’m quite capable of apologies when I’m wrong. I’ll keep one in the que for you, but it’s not going out until it’s actually demonstrated I was wrong.

$50 to the winners favorite charity?

But first, let’s figure out what the bet is:

// “Permission has been granted to continue without a state permit although the permit holder will not operate commercially until the state license is granted.”//

You appear to be conflicting yourself here so I want to get it straight. I claim there is no commercial cultivation without a State license and that the County is not telling people otherwise.

You appear to be agreeing with me with the following:

// “… although the permit holder will not operate commercially until the state license is granted.”//

Are you saying that County tells them they can operate commercially but they are not going to, or that the county did indeed tell them that they could not operate commercially until the State license is granted?

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

“//The zoning clearance certificate for the interim permit allows you to continue cultivation operations and apply for a state license while the planning application is processed to decision.”//

The word AND Is past tense. The word CONTINUE is a decision. Maybe we should have an attorney clarify. I’m just posting what was delivered to the permittee. In no way was this meant to start misinformation. Ed can you chime in?

JB
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JB
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

I have sent a letter requesting clarification (with your image attached) to John Ford’s office.

I also copied Kym, (and will copy her on the reply) If you’re right and I’m wrong and the county is actually telling people they can commercially cultivation before receiving state licensing (which is wrong information), it might make for an interesting story.

We’ll see how responsive they are.

JB
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JB
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

// “The word AND Is past tense”//

That would be a neat trick all by itself.

JB
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JB
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

You:
// ” I will take your bet if you can muster the fortitude to actually place one.”//

Me:
// “$50 to the winners favorite charity?”//

If you’re wrong and they are in fact NOT telling applicants they can commercially cultivation before receiving the State license, you PayPal (or other) $50 to the Humboldt Literacy Project.

Where would you like my $50 to go if they are actually telling people they can commercially cultivate without a State license.

Deal?

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

No prob with the bet. Also the charity is fine. We both know what the determination from the county will be. They will favor the dual permit requirements. In order for someone to actually win the bet we will need an attorny to provide a judgement as to wether or not the instructions were misleading.

JB
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JB
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

You:
// ” we will need an attorny to provide a judgement as to wether or not the instructions were misleading.”//

Nonsense. Your bravery is melting and your goalposts moving. Let me remind you of what I called you on — and it’s not related to ‘misleading instructions’ but rather your claim of a written County policy of telling people they can cultivate without a State license in hand.

Had you claimed, “I once saw a letter that I know little about (‘help me Ed’ you say) and it appears to include misleading instructions, I would have just shrugged and said “par for the course”. Your claim of course was something totally different.

You originally:
// “The deal is the county says on your interim permit that you are allowed to cultivate while seeking your state permit.”//

First, to correct something you say in the above, what you posted to prove your assertion doesn’t … it’s not an “interim permit” you provided but merely a letter from Ford — part of a undoubtedly larger package of communication related to the interim permit in question. If this wording actually existed ON every interim permit as you asserted, I would already owe your charity the $50.

To determine whether my speculation on the context is correct or not, all we need to know is the original context of the letter you posted. Was it was written to someone who held a State Provisional license and was in the process of applying for a State annual license.

With that information, we know exactly what the wording means — ‘go ahead and continue cultivation (on your State Provisional and Humboldt Interim) while we sort out your Humboldt Planning situation and you continue seeking your full State license’.

I agree that without context, the wording in the letter is able to be interpreted as misleading. The recipient of the letter however had the full context and that is what we are now seeking.

Brandolini’s law in full swing. A letter posted out of context to support a broad assertion.

I’ll say again the thing I said to start this challenge — Nope. Nonsense. Myth.
There simply is no Humboldt County policy (let alone stated on interim permits) of informing its cannabis cultivation applicants that they can commercially cultivate cannabis while seeking a State license that they lack.

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

For some reason you don’t have a reply to your latest posts. The interim permit has been granted without a state permit period. The county knew this as the permit was given. Also recorded. Read the instructions again if you don’t understand. Maybe it was a mistake maybe not. The facts are clear. Does anyone else have an interim front cover they would like to post?

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

Definitely not conflicting myself. I know the law and have advised the client accordingly.

JB
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JB
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

// “The interim permit has been granted without a state permit period.”//

Of course it has … that’s the required order. The county has to issue their permit BEFORE the CDFA will even process a State application The State calls that “local authorization” and it’s a requirement (Title 3, Division 8, Chapter 1, Section 8110).

That above fact is irrelevant to your claim however. Your claim again (as you seem to want to divert from it):

// “The deal is the county says on your interim permit that you are allowed to cultivate while seeking your state permit.”//

Still patently false. No such deal.

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

“//The zoning clearance certificate for the interim permit allows you to continue cultivation operations and apply for a state license while the planning application is processed to decision.”//

Again for the last time. Please concentrate. No state provisional, interim, annual or any other permission has been granted. The county was privy of this as the county interim was granted.

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

So now your circle of confusion has no merit.

The client has had no interaction with the state.

The client was transparent with the county, informed them of their intent to apply for a state interim, provisional, or annual. No sooner than after a county interim is granted.

In turn the county allowed continuation of cultivation, again without any state interaction.

Waste of tax dollars
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Waste of tax dollars
3 years ago
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I’m saying go after those that haven’t signed up at all over those that have gone through some of the process. If they had a county permit that means they had atleast 1 Inspection, a cdfw permit, a water board permit, a small domestic use permit, went through a artifact study, paid 10s of 1000s if not 100s of 1000s of $ to our county, consultants and local stores and made all kinds of improvements to their property and probably did road work that fixed old logging culverts put in with no regard to long term flows. So I’m saying go after the people that did none of that first. You know and I know that there are places in this county that could use a good house cleaning more then this property. I think we have a crash coming. I think grower dollars is everything we have left. They are the lifeblood of this county and if someone signed up that’s more then the other 5000+ properties that did nothing and until you can show that the far corners of this county are cleaned up where no one dares to go and no one signed up then why mess with a property like this?

JB
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JB
3 years ago

// ” So I’m saying go after the people that did none of that first.”//

And I’m saying that if they do that (which some people on these comment threads say they have), people accuse them of not enforcing the laws and of ‘pay to play’.

This isn’t hypothetical — these threads are literally rife with exactly that accusation.

Fndrbndr
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Fndrbndr
3 years ago
Reply to  JB

Take a look at my response to your above response to my post. Paragraph two line four in case you have trouble.

Jed the coffee maker
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Jed the coffee maker
3 years ago

Go after all who damage the environment knowingly… legal or not and no matter what you think of the herb, grow them well in accordance with nature to protect it and you’ll be good by most people’s book… be an asshole with the environment and expect no sympathy

P*** W***lies
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P*** W***lies
3 years ago

Humans have placed themselves above the environment for years, unaware of the disaster of crony capitalism.

To big to jail for the untouchables,

Crime and Punishment for the rest.

Nice Marmot
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Nice Marmot
3 years ago

That’s not a stream. Thats a wet spot.

Squeeler
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Squeeler
3 years ago
Reply to  Nice Marmot

Roll it in flour and look for the wet spot?

Curious George
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Curious George
3 years ago

I thought the County was going to focus on the most egregious grows in the County. If this is one of the most egregious in the County, the County has done a fantastic job! Every ranch I’ve been to has this exact set-up for their watering troughs for their cattle.

I’m curious if the LEO’s actually make a call to the State or check a database to check the status of the application. If they were pending approval, would they still eradicate the grow? Anyone know their policy? If they had 20,000 square feet of mixed-light, that would be $40,000 in taxes that this County desperately needs.

Lester White
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Lester White
3 years ago

Great job, we really need to protect our water ways ….. seriously

Farce
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Farce
3 years ago

2181 plants?! People are defending this grow?!

rollin
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rollin
3 years ago

Just move to the pines. Then you can clear cut, grade the entire hillside and grow with impunity, other than maybe a minor extortion fine. The bureaucrats know that if they cut the pines they’ll be accused of racism so they don’t dare. Thank a liberal.

Kim W
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Kim W
3 years ago

Legal, permitted pot has ruined this land. Sick of outsiders coming here, thinking this is the only place to grow good product. Drove land prices thru the atmosphere, and dry up nature’s water., Piggishly polluting everywhere. Why, pure Greed! I curse you now! Be gone, evil money mongers. You get what you deserve, permits or not. I hope tha price falls to 100$ a pound. Also, when can we vote out the horrible monsters at the planning and building Dept. ? Grifters all. Hope a severe depression comes to teach them all a lesson in humble pie!

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
3 years ago
Reply to  Kim W

I’m in agreement with you Kim W.

If we could turn-back time.

Now the state is the controlling entity. The pro $64 people weren’t too bright.