All State Parks Closed to Vehicle Access Effective Imediately

Lady Bird Johnson Park [Photo from Redwood National and State Parks]

Lady Bird Johnson Park [Photo from Redwood National and State Parks]

Press release from the California State Parks:

California State Parks today announced it is temporarily closing vehicle access at all 280 state parks to prevent the spread of coronavirus (COVID-19).

On Saturday, many state parks once again experienced visitation surges that made it impossible for the public to implement appropriate social/ physical distancing practices. During this pandemic disease, every person has a role to play in slowing down the spread of COVID-19. Protecting individuals, families and communities comes down to common sense.

As such, the public is reminded to adhere to the following guidance:

  • Stay home if you are sick.
  • Stay close to home when you get outdoors. This is not the time for a road trip to a destination park or beach.
  • Venture out only with people in your immediate household.
  • Walk around the neighborhood and enjoy neighborhood parks.
  • Always maintain a physical distance of 6 feet or more when recreating in the outdoors. If you cannot maintain physical distancing, leave the park.
  • Do not congregate in parks.

To date, the department has implemented various safety measures such as temporarily closing all campgrounds, museums and visitor centers in the State Parks System; cancelling all events; and closing vehicular traffic at certain parks and beaches, and fully closing others.

California continues to issue guidance on preparing and protecting Californians from COVID-19. State Parks is monitoring the situation closely and is following guidance provided by the Governor’s Office via the California Department of Public Health, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Governor’s Office of Emergency Services. Protecting visitors and all who take care of state parks from the exposure to the pandemic disease is a top priority for the State of California.

State Parks will continue to monitor visitation and physical distancing at all state park units, and if the safety measures implemented thus far are not sufficient to protect public health, additional measures may be taken to fully close parks, including trails, bathrooms and other amenities.

State Parks has developed a one-stop resource center––www.parks.ca.gov/FlattenTheCurve––to find park safety and closure information, and messaging and graphics from the “Flatten the COVID-19 Curve at Parks” social media awareness campaign. Please check this webpage regularly, as it will be updated with new information as it becomes available.

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Anne D.
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Anne D.
4 years ago

I was wondering about that last week when they issued the stay home order and then the following day i saw that they had eliminated admission fees to all State parks for the time being. It seemed somewhat contradictory at the time. I guess maybe they started to pick up on their own folly. Don’t get me wrong, i love our parks and the idea of using this off time to explore them is a fantastic idea but you can’t very well “shelter at home” and “go to the park” at the same time.

clearlakefool
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clearlakefool
4 years ago

and down here in lake county they were all closed last week . everything is closed . city parks , county parks , state parks , national forest recreation areas , campgrounds , motels and the lake and all BLM lands .
bout all were missing is armed military walking our streets keeping us indoors

Doggo
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Doggo
4 years ago
Reply to  clearlakefool

If you just stay home they won’t need to do that, will they?
Just stay home.

levelheadedgenxer
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levelheadedgenxer
4 years ago
Reply to  clearlakefool

Thats because too many people dont take this seriously. Sort of like when we were kids, your parents let you be, but if you got out of control you got grounded to your room with no tv until otherwise. If the US military comes in and has to play big bad daddy, its only because everyone is acting like out of control children right now, We need to be spanked and sent to our room.

Fromthehills
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Fromthehills
4 years ago

Seriously, like the flu doesn’t come around every year? Geeesh go ahead and violate my rights due to people being scared. Hell with that, if you’re scared about it, it’s your job to avoid me, not my job to make you feel comfy by staying home. Read the 5th amendment, nothing declared in government has removed that as of yet.

yesmeagain
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yesmeagain
4 years ago
Reply to  Fromthehills

Well,but, not everyone is as enlightened and responsible as you are, Fromthehills, as no doubt you would agree. And so they are carelessly out there potentially passing the disease on to others, including many of those people who can be exposed are doing essential work, from medical and emergency personnel to grocery store clerks and all the people who keep things going. Also this disease is NOT the flu; there is no natural immunity and no vaccine as yet, nor any good treatment other than support. Like it or not, no human is an island, we all depend on each other to some degree, and sometimes exercising our cherished rights is stupid.

Fromthehills
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Fromthehills
4 years ago
Reply to  yesmeagain

Disease? Thought it was a virus?

From the burbs
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From the burbs
4 years ago
Reply to  Fromthehills

Covid-19 is a disease caused by the SARS-Cov-2 virus. Anybody with a public school education would hopefully understand that diseases are caused by many things, viral infections among them.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Fromthehills

@ fromthehills agreed! They don’t understand, they’re consumers, sheep who enjoy being controlled & obviously have done zero international research on this virus. To stop this virus, all everyone would have to do is wear a N95 mask and take a rapid at home test to see if you have the virus. Not everyone stay at home. Yet, our wonderful highly effective, so truthful government has yet to provide mask & test for everyone. Places that stopped the spread mandated mask & testing… incompetence, wake up & demand local/state government to provide mask & test. Our local University & Public health dept can easily get emergency approval to make test & mask for everyone, not stay at home and do nothing. Humboldt County can order mask & test from South Korea along with mask or partner the University w/ Public Health Dept (they both have all the equipment) and make test /mask. Being pro-active vs doing nothing. Don’t let our local gov’t say they don’t have $$$ for test or mask, they collect taxes and have made a fortune on cannabiz permits.

interNASTynal research
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interNASTynal research
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Tell us about your “international research”! Do you do that from home on the internet?
What is it YOU need ME to do for you right now?
Masks just help you keep from spreading it to others, unless you are right up close with somebody spewing. The stay at home thing is because people are nasty. Like that cashier licking his fingers before handing back change! Right in the middle of a pandemic! If people were normally not acting like super spreaders, then we wouldn’t need stay at home orders.
Otherwise it seems safe to walk outside in nature, just avoid public bathrooms and other people.(the not-nature-part) Nobody is stopping anybody from being on public lands, you just have to walk…and take a shit at home before you go out.

lauracooskey
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lauracooskey
4 years ago

Omigosh, it’s the sure sign of every fascist–the wish for a substitute daddy to come and tell them what to do to protect themselves and others. Please don’t lay your psychological/political issues on us. We’ll do fine without the authority of Big Daddy to make us behave.

LevelheadedGenXer
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LevelheadedGenXer
4 years ago
Reply to  lauracooskey

No you have not done just fine. Most Americans are grown up out of control children, and they would prefer it that way.

Connie Dobbs
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Connie Dobbs
4 years ago

You need better friends.

And name
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And name
4 years ago

Def: Authoritarian Personality

Stephanie
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Stephanie
4 years ago

I went down to avenue of the giants earlier this week it was super quiet but tons of people on river bar ugh

Sophia pelafigue
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Sophia pelafigue
4 years ago

Nothing is listed as closed for Humboldt County? Is there another list that I am not seeing?

Amber Allen
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Amber Allen
4 years ago

All the hospitals empty…no one sick…trump ending this by easter…remember when regan said ” one of the scariest things you can hear is …were the government and were here for your safety”??? Are the sheeple just stupid or forgetful? Smh.

Another fishwife
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Another fishwife
4 years ago
Reply to  Amber Allen

Keep up Amber Allen. Even trump realized he was being premature and changed his “packed churches for Easter ” to a more realistic “stay home until the end of April”. Of course it is hard to keep up with his back-peddling drivel as he often just says things off the cuff without any basis in fact.
All the hospitals are not empty. Our hospitals aren’t over run yet which is fortunate because they are inadequate when we don’t have a pandemic situation. Try taking someone to the emergency room who needs to be admitted to the hospital. Two years ago my 90-year-old grandmother needed to be admitted two different times in six months and we sat in an er room for 13 hours one time and 11 hours the other time “waiting for a bed to be available” according to the doctor.
The hospitals in New York, Washington, New Jersey, etc. are over run with covid19 patients and they are having to build field hospital facilities to house the least ill.
If we maintain social distancing for awhile longer, we may be able to keep from overwhelming our medical facilities all at once causing more deaths from lack of beds, ppe’s, ventilators, staff, etc.

Sparklemahn
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Sparklemahn
4 years ago
Reply to  Amber Allen

And the useful pawns for tRump continue to spread their ignorance and hate. Talk about sheeple you’re talking about them.

Canyon oak
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Canyon oak
4 years ago

lol.
We can’t stop a foreign invasion of immigrants and h1-B & h2-B visa scabs, but they can perfectly well shut the whole show down for us measly citizens.
The fruit of globalism have always been invasive plants, invasive humans, invasive disease and inevitably demographic on demographic violence.
Let’s hope things stabilize and we can mend our ways..
I’m sure your all worried so I’ll end my screed here.♥️
Say it ain’t so Kenny Rogers

J
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J
4 years ago

Interesting photo–that is the bridge over Bald Hills Road from the parking lot to the Lady Bird Johnson trail.

Wyld Druid
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Wyld Druid
4 years ago

Close the beaches too so drunken idiots on motorcycles dont crash and require $$$ in taxpayer funds to save their worthless behinds. Ban dogs. All pets. Keep the state parks closed to vehicles. Walk in. Save the woods from fireworks shooting, Bud light swilling, grow dozer driving maniacs. Keep it WILD ( not Wild West).

Bozo
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Bozo
4 years ago

Yup. Some beaches got crowded down in Southrrern California. Now the state is closed.
Same thing has always happened in Callifornia.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago

I’ve been saying this for awhile now:

[quote]
Confirmed Coronavirus Cases Is an ‘Almost Meaningless’ Metric
Faye Flam
BloombergMarch 28, 2020, 5:35 AM PDT
(Bloomberg Opinion) — It doesn’t matter that the United States surpassed China this week in reported Covid-19 cases because those numbers (83,507 and 81,782 respectively as of March 26) don’t tell us how many people actually became infected in either country. Nor do they tell us how fast the disease is spreading, since only a tiny portion of the population in the United States has been tested.

“The numbers are almost meaningless,” says Steve Goodman, a professor of epidemiology at Stanford University. There’s a huge reservoir of people who have mild cases, and would not likely seek testing, he says. The rate of increase in positive results reflect a mixed-up combination of increased testing rates and spread of the virus.

Full story:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/confirmed-coronavirus-cases-almost-meaningless-123550415.html

Lynn H
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Lynn H
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

The death rate is slightly more accurate, especially more recently. It’s still inaccurate because they haven’t tested all people that die. Especially inaccurate where there are”few” cases.

Even the starting days are suspect- they traced “patient zero” to a shrimp vendor near the seafood market in Wuhan, but she says she thinks she got it from a public toilet in the area. That would have been the last week of Oct or first of November. So- she is not really “patient zero”. It’s probable it’s been here in the US way before January and may have been assumed to be flu. Maybe it got to NYC first.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Lynn H

Or not at all. China certainly has been active salting the mine with disinformation to shift view away from their own actions. That is one of the internet rumors that were repeated. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/16/facebook-posts/no-evidence-americans-were-infected-covid-19-fall/

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Lynn H

The total deaths are pretty accurate; the death “rate” is unknown since the total cases are unknown.

Mitch Riley
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4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Just remember your training and ignore the opinions that are irrelevant to you and yours.

Get high and stay high.

Altitude is your friend.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7xGpj_nbzo/?hl=en

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

In the next 4 months we will lose more Americans than 8 years in Vietnam.

Some NY hospitals are over 100% capacity.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Well, here’s some irony:

https://www.scribd.com/document/453827594/COVID-19-UnintendedConsequences

The United States death toll from the novel coronavirus has steadily increased in the last few days, with over 2, 200 COVID- 19 deaths, and more than half of the deaths in the last three days alone. The death toll is expected to only get worse in the coming weeks as cases increase and the capacity of the health care system is stretched. However, one silver lining might be that the death toll could be lower than anticipated due to individuals changing their behavior during the coronavirus pandemic. We use CDC data (detailed below) to analyze weekly US deaths over the last five years (as accessed on March 28 , 2020 ). Figure 1 shows weekly deaths for all ages. For the year 2020, we have data through week 10, or through the week of March 7, 2020.

There is a clear strong downward sloping trend in the number of deaths at all ages for the current year as compared to the previous 5 years. Moreover, the current year appears to be a break in trend from the previous 5 years. Comparing the difference of the previous 5 -year average with 2020 deaths through March 7 and we find that for week 10, there were close to 9000 fewer deaths – this is nearly a 20 percent decrease in the number of the deaths! The decrease is most evident after week 7 (week ending February 15 , 2020 ).

Lynn H
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Lynn H
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Document was removed from the link.

*If* it’s true, and I’m not sure it is, it’s interesting. Less car accidents, murders, ODs and flu deaths? Less occupational accidents?

Maybe we’re all less likely to poke our eyes out when self isolating.

Certainly seems to be less crime.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Lynn H

He’s using official CDC numbers. Graphs and info are in his tweets. Not my preference format, but it what I have. This one has a link to a pdf.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SidSanghi/status/1244617470293540864

Lynn H
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Lynn H
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Ullr, the guy’s last post was this;

“Siddhartha Sanghi
@SidSanghi
·
15h
Replying to
@SidSanghi
We have reached out to CDC if their Total National Weekly Deaths are incorrect/ not counted properly/ reporting lags for past weeks of 7-10 due to the pandemic but in the meantime decided to remove the figures out of caution.”

and he has a link to dropbox. Sorry, I won’t download anything from dropbox from anyone I don’t know. If you’re going to remove it then why on earth give out a public dropbox file?

Would much prefer a written article with source references or something from the CDC itself.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Irony would mean abundant supplies or space in hospitals while increased needs.

Not desperation for both supplies and space.

Irony? No.

I think you’re obfuscating, nothing more.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I don’t think irony means what you think it means.

I don’t think obfuscation means what you think it means.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Obfuscating:

the action of making something obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.

This has been what you’ve been doing with Sars-Cov2 for weeks now.

It is clearly not ironic that car accident deaths are down when less people are driving.

The reason why less people are driving is because of a pandemic.

This is not irony.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Total deaths are down. That is inclusive of Covid 19 deaths.

I’ve sought exactly the opposite of obfuscation with the information I’ve presented. I’m just not willing to indulge in disaster porn like you are.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

What’s your example of ‘disaster porn’ that I’m a part of?

Do you mean understanding the numbers, formulas and models?

We only lost 58,000 in Vietnam.

Trump and Fauci seem to think 100,000 US deaths by August will be a good case scenario.

So who are you disagreeing with?

Absolutely everyone.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

100K deaths represents about 3.5% of the total annual deaths in the US. 2017 had 2.8 million deaths. With the decrease in other incidental deaths because of the lock down the US may have no net gain (or a net decrease) in deaths for 2020.

Meanwhile the economic effects are felt by everyone and will continue to be felt long after the last coronavirus case is resolved.

What you fail to mention in juxtaposing the Vietnam War with this event is almost everyone who died wearing a US uniform was under 30 years old.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Tons more obfuscating.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Misusing that word again. If you have contrary numbers, use them.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

No Ullr. I’m applying it correctly.

Your attitude is what kept the Boeing Max in the air for longer than should be.

Infact, I’m sure you would keep the Max flying. A few plane crashes a year doesn’t really mean much when you count all the death in the world.

Nihilism and numbers.

Obfuscating facts.

No responsibility.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

If you have contrary numbers, use them.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

I’ve given plenty of numbers related to the story. Pretty accurately if you don’t remember.

I was giving you numbers weeks ago!

The difference of our numbers is mine stick to the event.

Your numbers seem to obfuscate with intent to downplay the event, while ignoring picies taken to address the event.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

If you have contrary numbers, use them.

Nobody had hard numbers “weeks” ago, just a lot of guess work.

Nobody has hard numbers now, but now people are conceding that fact.

“It doesn’t matter that the United States surpassed China this week in reported Covid-19 cases because those numbers (83,507 and 81,782 respectively as of March 26) don’t tell us how many people actually became infected in either country. Nor do they tell us how fast the disease is spreading, since only a tiny portion of the population in the United States has been tested.

““The numbers are almost meaningless,” says Steve Goodman, a professor of epidemiology at Stanford University. There’s a huge reservoir of people who have mild cases, and would not likely seek testing, he says. The rate of increase in positive results reflect a mixed-up combination of increased testing rates and spread of the virus.”

Full story:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/confirmed-coronavirus-cases-almost-meaningless-123550415.html

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

It makes sense that if travel, recreation, work and even crime are restricted by quarantine then deaths related to them would also be restricted. The balance might be enough to reduce the overall deaths if those kinds of deaths were more than the deaths due to a new disease.

However that would only likely last in the initial phase of a disease at a point when the illness has not yet reached it full level of deaths but the restrictions are fully in place. When the lag time between being infected and the deaths it causes in the total population caught up, it is likely that the extra deaths it causes would erode the lives saved by restricting other causes of death. Not to mention that the restrictive thing that saves lives- such no work or travel related deaths, elective medical procedures, fights in bars, wars and other contact conflicts, etc- would come back because a universal quarantine could not be maintained and then, added to the disease deaths, would create a much steeper upward death rate topping off at a higher place than normal. Not to mention deaths from normal things that save lives but were put off during quarantine, like cancer screening, road maintenance or routine medical checkups, would add their bit to the increase deaths. The total would surely be more eventually than normal deaths.

Lynn H
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Lynn H
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

I think you 2 need to get a room…

That said, Brian, I think you’re reading more into things than there is sometimes. Sometimes Ullr is just being robotically factual.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

It’s a curse.

Lynn H
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Lynn H
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Yes. I was thinking of death rates as in how fast they’re coming in- but you’re right.

Also, when I said “shrimp vendor near the seafood market in Wuhan, but she says she thinks she got it from a public toilet in the area That would have been the last week of Oct or first of November.” I was wrong- I was in a hurry and skipped a step. She got it around Dec 10th. Another person, a man, got it around Dec 1. That would mean possibly contacting it sometime in mid Nov. But, by late Nov at least 29 people contracted it. If it doubles every few days and some uncounted then it may have started at least a couple weeks before then- Oct or first week of Nov. Also, it seems people get sicker as it goes along, lasts about a month in the very sick, and many cases are not noticed- so it may have taken another 2 weeks at the very least to be noticed as anything unusual.

IDK. I really wouldn’t be surprised if patient zero happened a lot earlier, maybe even started outside of Wuhan and wasn’t noticed until it hit Wuhan.

Lynn H
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Lynn H
4 years ago
Reply to  Lynn H

Oh, here we go, key word search “october coronavirus”. Possibility traced as early as Oct 1, 2019.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally

Sparklemahn
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Sparklemahn
4 years ago
Reply to  Lynn H

Can’t wait to take the antibody test, as I was sick with the same symptoms as listed for the Coronavirus a month ago, before anybody was even talking about the virus here in The States.

Lynn H
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Lynn H
4 years ago
Reply to  Sparklemahn

Yeah, me too, but in September…

I have allergies. If I was mildly sick with it I wouldn’t even realize it.

I see no reason why it would not have been in the US- maybe NYC first- by November at any rate going by the above.

Antichrist
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Antichrist
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Another point to ponder is that the only reason they want us to stay at home isn’t to keep us from contracting or spreading it, but merely to spread out the infection rate over time in order to give them enough beds in the hospitals to treat everyone…. this is double edged sword as instead of ripping off the bandaid and getting it over with we are being asked to drag this whole thing out costing us as a surviving population much hardship. We have a population problem that is effecting the climate let’s rip the band aid off be done with this shit and get on with it. We need to stop preventing Darwin from doing his job. Sorry if we are weak and this virus targets you. You have had your chance your time as it were , your numbers up and the rest of us have suffered enough to this point for you time to move on.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Antichrist

Sweden and the Netherlands (I think) are trying this approach.

Just Sweden, rather:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-swedens-radically-different-approach-to-the-coronavirus-11585598175

researcher
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researcher
4 years ago

I’ve heard it all this week. From a religious nutcase telling me it was the beginning of the final days and I better pray the rapture includes me too, to a guy dressed like a banker who unloaded on me when I asked him to keep 6 feet, yelling that I was a sheeple and a fool and the deep state would soon create martial law, and it’s all a conspiracy to take final control. The key for both of them was the word final. Right wing evangelicals believe it’s the end and they’ll be soon saved so why worry. Conspiracy man believes we are all doomed due to us sheeple that there’s no reason for him to care either.

Only the Lord knows how many they’ll infect before it’s over. Stupid is what stupid does.

On the bright side there is a good article https://www.alternet.org/2020/03/viral-photo-shows-massive-failure-of-floridas-piecemeal-coronavirus-response-as-state-hurdles-toward-huge-public-health-crisis/

They talk about how the SF Bay Area was the first area in the nation to declare shelter in place. Then how Cuomo said it was a stupid idea and he wouldn’t do that in New York. A few days later he was forced to declare SIP but for New York it was too late. They then show a graph of the rate of new cases for both from when SF did SIP to today and it will blow your mind the difference.

Yes, social distancing and SIP work, and who fucking cares if this is a conspiracy created in a lab or the wrath of god you still want to protect yourself.

Bubblebottle
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Bubblebottle
4 years ago

Still charging CRV?

Still not giving me my money back?

Sunnyside Upside-down
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Sunnyside Upside-down
4 years ago
Reply to  Bubblebottle

Yeah, that’s BS!
And reimburse us per bottle, not per pound damit!!

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago

Walking around between rain bursts, feeding animals, getting wood, etc, I hardly noticed the stay at home order. Then it suddenly hit me that I certainly would not feel so ok if I was confined to a small apartment.

While it’s for everyone’s own good, it is so much harder for people without the freedom to go out. To those who are doing so, you have my respect. What you are doing is so much harder than my lot and I hope you soon regain your freedom. Be healthy.

Gail S
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Gail S
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Yes, it seems to this old gal that the worst sicknesses attack after a long spell of sitting around inside. Getting up and move around and please get outside and breathe fresh air. And our northern parks have plenty of room to stay distant.

Country Bumpkin
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Country Bumpkin
4 years ago

Why are there still planes coming and going from ACV? I think everyone concerned about the spread of infection in our county should protest at the airport. Last plane gets in a bit before midnight. Show solidarity with shelter in place orders and be there to protest. You can’t keep people in if you don’t get out.