Humboldt County Activists Joined Protesters Against ICE at the Yuba County Jail Where Detained Immigrants Are Housed

Eureka City Councilmember Leslie Castellano wears a patch stating, "Humboldt County is Sanctuary for Immigrants"

Eureka City Council member Leslie Castellano wears a patch stating, “Humboldt County is a Sanctuary for Immigrants” at a protest last Saturday in Yuba County. [Photos from Lauren Schmitt]

On Saturday, January 11, over a hundred people gathered at the Yuba County Jail where a diverse crowd of organizations, activists and protesters were demonstrating their opposition to the jail’s recently renewed contract with ICE or Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Humboldt County activists as well as a Eureka City Councilmember, Leslie Castellano, were there to add their support.

Eureka City Councilmember Leslie Castellano wears a patch stating, "Humboldt County is Sanctuary for Immigrants

Eureka City Council Member Leslie Castellano at the protest.

The Yuba County Jail is currently housing around two hundred undocumented immigrants, and is the only ICE facility in Northern California. Despite Gov. Gavin Newsom signing of Assembly Bill 32  in December, marking California as the first state to ban privately run immigrant detention centers and prisons, ICE’s contract with the Yuba County Jail was recently renewed.

Last year, before renewing their contact with ICE, the Yuba County Jail was called out for inhumane conditions. Nearly 20 detainees participated in a hunger strike in 2019 sparking a response from officials.

People from around the state have been traveling to the protest at the Yuba County Jail for over a year now, following the lead from Tsuru for Solidarity, an organization made up of Japanese Americans whose slogans reads “stop repeating history” and “Never is now.” Tsuru means crane in Japanese, and symbolizes peace, compassion, hope and healing. The group makes strings of “cranes” to symbolize their solidarity with immigrant and refugee communities that they believe are under attack today.

Woman wearing Humboldt County shirt holds up crane strings.

Woman wearing Humboldt County shirt holds up “crane” strings.

Josh Kaizuka with Tsuru for Solidarity was the first to address the crowd. He introduced the Humboldt County Organization Centro Del Pueblo, whose efforts he praised in regards to the local voter initiative that made Humboldt County a sanctuary county.

Centro del Pueblo sign [Photo by Lauren Schmitt]

Centro del Pueblo sign [Photo by Lauren Schmitt]

As part of the protest, Japanese American that were placed in internment camps shared their stories. Organizers also propped up signs of the names of those who have passed in ICE custody.

Halfway through the speeches, the crowd began to hear yelling. Upon investigation, event goers realized that multiple people that were currently in ICE custody were screaming from the caged rooftop of the jail. The crowd mobilized to the streets where they could better hear and see detainees.

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Canyon oak
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Canyon oak
4 years ago

Regardless of the debate about wether or not immigration helps or hinders already located residents, I’ve got to wonder how progressive activists justify inviting distant people onto, what they, and I would call, stolen land.
It’s stolen land, taken from natives that still live here now, but we, in our all knowing compassion, want to create space, amidst the fray that already exists, for even more troubled people from across the continent and across the world..
It makes no sense.
it’s like the bar fly husband who’d rather spend money on the new crowd than take care of who he’s responsible to at home.
claiming humboldt is a “sanctuary” for foreigners is not dissimilar to previous colonial pulses that have infiltrated the local landscape

Hhhhg
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Hhhhg
4 years ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

The Virtue signaler will try to tell you that you were in the wrong for something while they go around and do that thing behind your back. Proverbially crying out in pain as it strikes you.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

I don’t see that logic at all- that you consider this land stolen from the first immigrants and these second wave of immigrants, who have stolen the land from the first, are then offering to protect a third group to compound the theft? Just goes around in a circle.

To me it’s much simpler. The first immigrants got rudely shoved out of the way by the second group of immigrants and now a third group wants to do the same. Only, unlike the first group, the second group is stupid enough to not notice they are being shoved, and, with great arrogance thinking they will not end up in the same relative position as the first group only without the cachet of the first, want to help the third people who hate them. In fact they want to join in and hate themselves. Oh, well. Stupid is as stupid does.

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Guest. That is the best most realistic comment ever. Brilliant and the truth. PS. Illegal immigrants could give a rats ass about liberal white “protesters”, but here you are, offering our whole county as a sanctuary. I ask you this, where’s all the jobs in this county? We have the highest welfare percentage of ANY county in California and now you want to stress the system even harder by bring in thousands of people with literally no job opportunities except being a slave on a legal marijuana farm! That’s your solution? You don’t have a solution, its just YOU doing something that makes you feel better about yourself. That is called selfishness. Want to do something positive? House them in your home and spend your money driving them to the DMV and court to start there citizenship! Until than,no, OUR county is not a sanctuary for illegal immigrants, refugees or asylum seekers. I’ll gladly welcome anyone who has gone through the paperwork of citizenship,holds a job and pays into the system. God bless The American Dream. Free healthcare and government cheese is not that.

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
4 years ago

He says, perched behind his comfy government job, with benefits garenteed by a union. Socialism for me, not for thee!

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  Jaekelopterus

I’d be careful about making assumptions about anonymous posters. I know this one. And I know you’ve missed the mark with your accusations.

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I’m not making assumptions, I’m going by what he’s said in the recent past. Check the recent firefighter article comments.

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
Reply to  Jaekelopterus

I know what he said. Are you sure you are thinking this all through?

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
4 years ago
Reply to  Kym Kemp

I do not know what you are inferring.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago

Wow. You don’t just drive to the dmv, or court ha ha! thats not how obtaining green cards or citizenship works but the fact that you think that explains everything else you’ve said. My husband and I have been battling with immigration for years. It used to be automatic that you could legally stay if you got married, but now our immigration system criminalizes people for doing all they can do to abide by it.

Do you believe it Should be illegal to fall in love with someone from somewhere else? Do you think it should be illegal to care and provide for your family because you are not from America? That’s what this immigration system creates currently and why being a sanctuary county is so important. Also many people who come from other places fill gaps in our economy that are desperately needed, top and bottom. My husband is highly educated and qualified to do jobs that our county needs specifically that no one else is stepping up to do, we are just waiting on immigration system. All the while our community needs his skill set and suffers from not being able to legally utilize them.

It’s not migrants or their families faults that the immigration system doesn’t function effectively. This system turns people who care about their families into criminals for that very reason. I think allowing this inhumanity to continue demonstrates the lack of family values in America, all perpetrated by willful ignorance.

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

Well said. When is enough enough? Sure let in the 10,000 asylum seekers. I’m down. What happens when 10 million line up and want in because we let in 10,000? I work in a humanitarian setting. I give money to the homeless. My mentor told me “if your not helping people, your hurting them.” Helping random people is the only thing that keeps me sane in this ugly world. IM NOT against immigrants or legal immigration! When is the breaking point of letting in anyone and everyone? When is enough enough? I have the same arguments with my wife.

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
4 years ago

This is coming from the guy who said that pulling tarps was a job for Mexicans. We all know how Mexican immigrants are used in this society and blaming them for any of our problems is a ridiculous inversion. Its our drug war policies that handed their country over to the cartels and we can’t blame them for trying to find a better life for themselves here. The only thing that will keep them out is a lack of work or low wages, which is why we’ve had net negative immigration since 2007. Getting rid of illegal immigrants won’t bring back jobs that have been automated out of existence. It’s a problem only … !!Socialism!! will solve.

Wow ignorance is bliss
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Wow ignorance is bliss
4 years ago
Reply to  Jaekelopterus

You are confused, illegal immigration is why I lost my fucking job, if you don’t speak three languages in California you don’t work in good paying job in my field. Illegal immigration is why the skilled labor job market sucks everywhere. Illegally entering a country takes Americans jobs away, by working under the table saving the dirty employer money by not having to pay above board taxes, workman’s comp, social security, you know all the shit that comes out of your paycheck that ends up not helping you because people are not doing things right to protect Americans . Illegals do not pay taxes like everyone else has to. Local sales taxes are not the taxes people are bitching about the illegals , its payroll taxes like social security, Medicare, federal tax filing . All the actual taxes you file at the end of the year and fucking hope you did right to get what ever you can back. And by the way Fuck socialism. I’m not going to pay for more lazy ass socialists or illegals. Legal immigration is how it is to be done, sanctuary counties are protecting illegals making them criminals we have to support

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
4 years ago

You mean your job fired you and replaced you with someone more skilled or cheaper? That’s what employers do, and the progression of generations mean that there will always be someone cheaper and better than you. Organized labor and collective bargaining is the ONLY way to prevent this. Illegal immigration was a tool employers used to help break the unions in the 80’s, 90’s and 2000’s, but punishing the immigrants is cruel and pointless. The powerful should be punished, not the powerless.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Jaekelopterus

That crap happens. Especially in government which has quotas regarding ethnicity in employment. Luckily not to me personally but I did work in a place that decided there were not enough Spanish speakers compared to the (recently) increased local population of Hispanic immigrants. Hiring had been frozen for a decade but exceptions were made to hire bilingual speakers . Unfortunately not one turned out to be able to do the job at the advanced level they were hired, some couldn’t speak English well enough to converse with non Spanish speakers and they lead to resentment by employees who had performed well but did not get promoted because these special hires took any available place. Nothing like watching a person who can’t understand the job and can’t speak English trying to help a person whose native language was Hmong and had trouble themselves with English. It did not stop the occasional “bilingual” from filing grievances about discrimination when they got bad reviews. All the new bilingual new hires left within two years. And were replaced with targets of the newest fad program in government.

Being punished should not be related at all to power. It is just as immoral to abuse someone who has the power to respond as it is to abuse someone who can not. It might take more courage to abuse the powerful. Or more stupidity. But it is abuse that is immoral whether done from a point of power or not.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

What a hoot that you read your own issues into my comments. Because I do know how the system works. In detail. And your creative interpretations show what sort of problems you might equally have with reading immigration rules.

But you are right about it not being all the fault of immingrants that the rules have become unmanageable. Although each illegal immigrant shares in the cause. The real cause is that the US government and its courts are schizophrenic about immigration. The politicians like the cheap labor and the veneer of empathy that public bleeding to every disturbing story gives. They don’t want to be declared responsible for deporting some sympathetic person who has the ear of the press. But then again they don’t want the voters to call them out when a foreign criminal kills or a foreign worker takes a voter’s job. The politicians have found it best to ignore the problems so the courts have made a hodge podge of rules that are impossible to administer. One rule says that diligence is required while the next simply says that an illegal can not be held while the government is being diligent. It creates a world where successfully evading the law gives rewards while following the laws is very hard.

But as for marriage. A marriage of convenience became a fairly common abuse so that, as ends up with most dishonest’seffects, it became harder to claim. “First revealed by Miriam Jordan writing at The Wall Street Journal, the DOS learned that as many as 30,000 Somalis had entered America under the false pretense of “family members,” but were later determined through random DNA testing to have used the program fraudulently.” https://theminnesotasun.com/2018/10/26/ilhan-omars-alleged-marriage-to-brother-occurred-at-time-of-massive-immigration-fraud/

So immigration has become tangled mess but that is because its rules are so abused and Congress has not the guts to fix it.

Pharmstheproblem
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Pharmstheproblem
4 years ago

Shouldn’t the council women be working on Eureka s problems not protesting in Yuba?

Castellano Needs to Lose Office
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Castellano Needs to Lose Office
4 years ago

No wonder Eureka has an economic and housing problem. This elected representative is more concerned with virtue signaling her party agenda about foreign nationals that came here of their free will illegally and giving them free stuff while her own people in her city go homeless, on drugs, are in debt, deal with job displacement, and lack affordable housing. If this council member is so enamored with Mexico why don’t they move there instead of using their agenda on the rest of us? Hopefully someone runs against this American citizen hating City council member who can’t even fix the problems here at home and instead her main agenda is illegal immigrants over her own citizens she supposed to represent.

Me
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Me
4 years ago

“ Humboldt county is a sanctuary for criminals “

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
4 years ago

Oh boy I can’t wait to see the comments. Articles like this always attract the best and brightest commenters!
I support these protesters and all of our Mexican and South American friends who are coming here for a better life.

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  Willow Creeker

….. better life paid by taxpaying citizens who’s lives are only getting worse.
Remember willow creeker, there’s starving children in Africa! Maybe we should send over boats, pick them up and transport them to America. We could feed them, put them to work with the promise of freedom and one day, citizenship. O wait…….. we already did that, nevermind.

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
4 years ago

My taxes pay your salary, GC. Perhaps you’re the one that belongs in a camp…

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Yep

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Never address the fallacies of that “illegals pay taxes” cliché but just keep repeating it. There was a study published at one point about how chickens learned. It turned out that if they saw something three times, they then assumed that was always true thereafter even after repeated attempts where it failed to be true. So chicken brain thinking only requires they be so conditioned three time and they will never think again.

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  Jaekelopterus

Your taxes don’t pay my salary jackasuorus/Brian. I’m my own boss, employee, CEO and worker. I have chased the American Dream, and it has nothing to do with relying on you! Lmao. I would rather put a bullet in my head than be dependent on you, or anyone else for that matter. When I’m to old to contribute and have become only a sh!ting oxygen sucking human, I will end it my way, that’s what separates me from you.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago

Pulling depo tarps is not a legal job.

And you aren’t paying taxes at all if that’s the case.

Maybe CAMP should bring you some ICE so you chill out.

SmallFry
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SmallFry
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

What Evah, TRB! Neither is coming in to the National Forests with Banned pesticides, Fertilizerz and rat poisions! But I guess that’s right with you? Turn our National Forests into a toxic Garbage Heep? Bleeep!

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  SmallFry

Wtf?

SmallFry
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SmallFry
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

WTF iZ up WiT that? .. That’s exactly the point …Good one gEniUss!

Willow Creeker
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Willow Creeker
4 years ago

Cheese, why do you think I am worried about starving people in Africa? I am not happy about that, but I believe we should take care of our country and our people first, and also welcome the rabble from our close neighbors as long as they pay their share and work hard and assimilate which they most certainly do.

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  Willow Creeker

Agree. And those who don’t? Plenty of “privileged “ white folk who are social parasites that take and give nothing in return. Maybe we should deport those also?

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago

Point UP for the cause of all of our unnecessary suffering already, not down. you are being a perfect pawn, no wonder we are in this mess.

at a loss
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at a loss
4 years ago

So let me get this straight – “ people selectively don’t approve of law breakers however undocumented/illegal immigrants who broke the law to get here their ok with”?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago

No, that’s not what was described.

were demonstrating their opposition to the jail’s recently renewed contract with ICE or Immigration and Customs Enforcement. 

The people are protesting Yuba jail working with ICE.

The people are not asking for a release of the immigrants.

In concept, that means these protestors still want the immigrants to go through our “justice system”.

Furthermore the group who is behind the protest has a very important story to keep telling.

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

We’re stuck with citizen criminals. They have the right to public money with public defenders, habeas corpus, medical treatment, appeals, etc. So we should be stuck paying the same costs for someone who deliberately avoided security checks and legal requirements to enter the country illegally, especially those who certainly would not have been allowed in had they done so? Why obey any laws then? Citizen or not?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Really?

Most “illegal” immigrants pay into the system too.

Taxes are being paid with large percentages of their jobs and they pay DMV fees just the same. If they buy something, they pay taxes.

Infact they likely pay well more into the system than our Triangle demographics that have a large percentage of outlaw money making off the books!

Our immigration system is not effective or efficient enough to handle our immigration demands.

Improvement should happen in our immigration offices.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

They don’t want to hear this. In the next article that comes along they will repeat the SAME talking points because the fact that Illegals actually pay into the system doesn’t fit into their rant.
The same commenters repeat the same talking points day in and day out here. It’s getting so old, the obsession is so boring, but here they are, new day – same rant, as if we didn’t hear it the previous 500 times.

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

About a third do but then they take out so much more in costs than they ever pay.

what?
Guest
what?
4 years ago

They jail them without any documentation? How can they be undocumented if they are incarcerated for illegal immigration?

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  what?

Mostly not incarcerated for illegal immigration but incarcerated for other crimes and discovered to be illegal at that time. The protesters hold that there should be no checks at the border to even try to screen out dangerous or malicious people. They hold that immigration laws are to be ignored as not real crimes. So they are willing the criminals be tried for “real” crimes like theft, drug trafficking or murder but not immigration violations. And the idea is that, if a citizen is released on bond or just released pending trial, then an illegal immigrant should have the same right. And that all these honest criminals will not simply put themselves back over the border and skip the whole trial nonsense, thinking can always come back when the heat cools off.

“Give me your murderers, your thieves, your huddled criminals yearning to breathe free” say the protectors.

hmm
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hmm
4 years ago

The thing is US actions destabilized/economically undermined the countries that they are fleeing. it would be nice if we had secured borders but even then we are morally obligated to take them in as economic refugees and to prevent multi-millionaires farmers from exploiting their labor.

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago
Reply to  hmm

The all powerful “we” that created evil in lands without evil until “we” showed up. Sure, a government you condemn as thoroughly incompetent created all that. Maybe we ought to stop trying to police the world since we can’t get it right and look go our own problems before taking in other people’s problems. Oh! Wait! We’re not supposed to retreat into isolationism either as we’re all one world. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Why not just admit that your only sense of power comes from harassing your own country because it’s safe to do so?

Jesus, Chris
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Jesus, Chris
4 years ago

I wanted to point out that the Yuba County Jail, is located in Marysville, some 4 hours from Humboldt.

Who pays to transport the illegal aliens?

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  Jesus, Chris

You,n me. We also pay 10 billion dollars a year in detaining them, feeding them, providing free healthcare and when they do commit a crime….. we pay for the bus ride back across the border so they can repeat the cycle next week. Coming to America should not be a crime. Just do it legally! Why is that so hard? Well when your already a criminal, it is! Are we just condoning that we don’t have to obey by laws? What than does that make us as a society?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago

Coming to America should not be a crime. Just do it legally! Why is that so hard?

You obviously have never tried going through the immigration system.

Most people want to reform our immigration system which would make your statement more accurate.

Unfortunately Trump thinks “paid by Mexico” walls will bring him some covfefe.

I encourage you to look into some good republican groups;

https://www.ruleoflawrepublicans.com

https://lincolnproject.us

And quit being so ignorant.

Illegal Immigrants pay into the system just as much if not more than you:

https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNQEhoLCvm83QP-6H_FA_t88eNaGRA%3A1579284259028&source=hp&ei=IvchXrnIPKrt5gK4gq6wCA&q=do+illegal+immigrants+pay+taxes

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

They don’t want to hear it. They love their indignation. Love to repeat the same thing every day. Like a Chatty Cathy doll, pull the string, the same 5 repeated talking points get said…

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Yeah,sure

Then do not turn every point as an opportunity for emotionally engendered insults. You do not want to hear how stupid someone thinks you are, do you? Well if every comment you make is just a variation on that theme, who will want to listen to you either? You create your own failures.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago

Research reviewed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicates that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes.[9] Illegal immigrants are estimated to pay in about $7 billion per year into Social Security.[21] In addition, they spend millions of dollars per year, which supports the US economy and helps to create new jobs.

The Texas State Comptroller reported in 2006 that the 1.4 million unauthorized immigrants in Texas added almost $18 billion to the gross state product, and contributed $1.6 billion in state revenue, while costing the state about $1.2 billion in services used.[22]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

They pay into Social Security programs that they will not be able to use themselves, fyi.

Another fishwife
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Another fishwife
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Thank you, Brian, for putting FACTS into evidence. The problem is, so many of these commenters would rather spread misinformation and pound their chests about perceived injustices. The majority of immigrants are honest, hard working people escaping countries with rampant poverty and corruption. It’s so easy for some to condemn them for trying to survive and keep their families alive by crossing the border illegally.

Yeah,sure
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Yeah,sure
4 years ago

Hear Hear !!

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Now for some useful facts- while some employers who withhold taxes from illegals paychecks, a goodly portion of those employers pocket the money. Then, while half of illegals pay taxes, they can file a tax return with a tax payer identification number and get more back as credits than the taxes they pay. Then again Medical might be available to them without legal residence as will drivers licenses, schooling or WIC.

“Of an estimated illegal immigrant workforce of 8 million, 3.4 million, or less than half, are registered with ITINs and are paying taxes. So the majority are not…
So yes, we are getting about $12 billion a year in tax revenue from illegals.
Problem is, it just costs a heck of a lot more than $12 billion to collect it. ”
https://bongino.com/do-illegal-immigrants-really-pay-10-billion-a-year-in-taxes/

As to social security, if the withholding makes it into the governments hands, then upon obtaining a valid green card later, they are as eligible as anyone else to get benefits which are weighted to give a higher rate of return to lower income people. If the employer does not pay the money to the government, the illegal, once they get legal status, can still get benefits as if the wages had been paid and the government does not hold them responsible for paying the missing taxes.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Guest

You bring up some points that are discussed in the Wiki article:

The economic impact of illegal immigrants in the United States is challenging to measure, and politically contentious. The scarcity of reliable statistics leaves room for many methods of study, leading to diverse conclusions.[1]

One possibility is that foreign workers entering the country illegally can lower wages, decreasing overall costs of production. This comes from the theory that when there are more illegal immigrants in the country, there will be more immigrants looking for employment because most illegal immigrants prefer to work and are willing to work for less than most American citizens.[2][3] This competition will depress wages for the domestic low-skilled workers. Simultaneously the increased supply in unskilled unauthorized immigrants can offset technological developments and “reduce the country’s economic competitiveness in the international market”.[4]

The opposing theory is that even though this can happen in some areas with more low-skilled employment, on the net illegal immigration increases the welfare of domestic workers because their additional consumption outweighs the costs of welfare.[5] Along the same lines it is argued that illegal immigrants work for lower wages, then domestic employers recognize these profits and can either spend or save this new revenue,[6] so the net outcome can be decided by the net of these two economic forces. Studies have shown that overall in the long run illegal immigration benefits the country in terms of its general production[citation needed], but introducing many people in the labor market can lead to income distribution that can tend towards domestic workers and immigrant workers on other occasions. The net short-term impacts of some aspects of illegal immigration can be inconclusive.[7]Though this net effect changes, the number of immigrants crossing the border illegally is less unclear.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

Guest
Guest
Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

The world does not need more stuff, low cost or not, even food. It needs more people who are secure in the value of their labor and in a society that values what they do and has the willingness and wherewithal to pay what makes an acceptable life. It is not inconclusive if extrapolated to the point that the land can not accept more low wage immigrants. When the demands of concrete needs such as housing, schooling, energy, water, food, etc, which are limited by land and technology , can not longer accommodate the increasing number of people who then find their services are not worth enough to buy these. It’s known as poverty. And while who might be poor changes, there will be a steady increase in numbers of poor when the land has been stretched beyond its capabilities. Until society deteriorates in irrational excesses of both accumulated wealth AND accumulated poverty. IE exactly what is going on now. And has happened repeatedly throughout history.

And how it has always been resolved is resource collapse, war and disease. Not something to look forward to.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Brian your facts sink like a stone tossed into the pond. You know better !

Get out and ask some of the current immigrants “How’re thing’s going for you?” I did yesterday and I’ll go again today. I walked only 1/2 mile from home to speak with a crew of workers building a county approved house on private land. There were 9 foreign speaking men and 1 English speaking contractor. Everybody drove their own car/CA license plates, no carpoolers. Everybody gets paid $20 per hour cash folding green. It seems the top honcho receives a small payment from his underlings.

Nobody pays taxes, zero, nobody receives welfare. The contractor has more jobs waiting for him to find time and workers to build.

Meanwhile there’s more than 100 out of work local skilled carpenters (I have family in the builders exchange).

The low wage immigrants are displacing born and raised Californians who earned their college certifications in the dream of earning a respectable wage.

The contractor is risking jail time, expulsion from the CA license board, and arrest. He said to me, “There’s no other way for me. I can’t afford to employ “legal” hands”. Sadly, I know he’s right.

Immigrants have always undermined the American workforce. It’s worse today because the sheer numbers have grown exponentially.

SmallFry
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SmallFry
4 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

Yep. Well said Rod. TY.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

Your opinions of your anecdotes in your bubble don’t negate all the results of Google.

But cool story.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

You’re right, I don’t pay much attention to google or any other commercial facts source. I do trust my own experiences.

This morning there’s 13 workers at the house building site. Google needs to provide what I can learn and present to you Brian? That’s dumb. You spout crap and can’t acknowledge that someone else knows more than you? Close minded.

Your facts relate to another life away from here. Google agrees.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

Going back to your story, what’s your gripe?

Are you angry that some workers spoke Spanish or that a contractor is paying cash to workers?

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Without resorting to name calling on RHBB.

You comment like a horses ass Brian. You stink to high heaven. Of all the fine people on here, you need to clean-up your unnecessary crap.

It’s becoming common knowledge, you can’t tolerate people who disagree with you. You don’t but rarely attempt to debate or discuss with others, only ridicule.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

Umm..I was pretty polite.

I really dont get what your trying to boil it down to with your story.

Are you assuming the Spanish speakers were here illegally?

Do you not like that they get cash?

I really was trying to regress to your point.

But thanks for your kind words.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago
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I made my points clearly, maybe respect yourself enough to reread my comments.

Deflection don’t get it among fellow commenters who are studied and compete for space.

Every person understood my comments. Immigrants undermine Americans who also need employment. The system of employment regulations are in place, but they don’t get enforced. Do we still have a country?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
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Immigrants undermine Americans who also need employment

So, legal immigration is also a problem for you?

I dont know where to start. So, I won’t.

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
4 years ago

Entering the US without papers is a misdemeanor, guys. It’s on par with driving alone in the carpool lane, and you fucks are so bloodthirsty you want to put children in concentration camps for it.

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  Jaekelopterus

So is me breaking the glass out of your car and stealing your wallet,money and all your personal info jackasuorus. Just a misdemeanor. Maybe I should just stop obeying laws to make my life easier….. all at the cost of you. Sound fair?

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
4 years ago

Breaking and entering is still a felony in California, regardless of the dollar value of damage. Try again.
https://www.wklaw.com/practice-areas/breaking-and-entering-california-penal-code-459-pc/

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  Jaekelopterus

Read my post. Breaking into your car is a misdemeanor in California. Try again.

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
4 years ago

Maybe you should try reading PC 459, you’ll see that you’re mistaken.

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Jaekelopterus

It depends on the nature of the entry- and the reason:
“(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.” https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

There are coexisting conditions that can make a first crossing a felony.

However-
“After an alien has been legally “removed” from the United States, federal criminal law makes it a felony for that alien to reenter (or be found in) the country without approval of the government. ” https://immigration.findlaw.com/deportation-removal/illegal-reentry-into-the-u-s-after-removal-crime-and-punishment.html

Which is why so few take the chance of going to trial.

SmallFry
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SmallFry
4 years ago

There is a lot of complexity to the Immigration issue. I don’t support the wall or Child separation camp, that is not a good way to go about it, but I don’t really support blantently Open Boarders either. There are a lot of trades that’s have been affected by the open stance of Boarders. It’s not just “Farm Laborers”. We also have a huge huge Homelessness problem in California, and the US, I think we as a nation need to try to curb our own homelessness and poverty before we can take on the worlds..If I was on the other side of the Boarder, I would be trying to come here to better my life as well. I can relate, so I understand. And my extended family did. Some of it ended well, some of my family are highly productive members of society that served in the military, and take very good care of thier family, work extremely hard.. Some of them got caught up with the wrong people and are either in prison for a very long time or drug addicts on the streets… I just think that America’s current state, we have a lot of issues that need to be addressed, and need to curb taking in the rest of the world until we do….

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4 years ago
Reply to  SmallFry

No? But one leads to the other. Court order and subsequent regulations mean children can not be held for long without providing a lot of services indefinitely that are hard to meet. Their parents can be held to wait for processing but not if they have exempt children with them. So the choice becomes either seperate the children to care for them as the law requires or let anyone who has a child with them into the country without verification of their history. That is what happens when Congress refuses to work together to make a national policy that works.

SmallFry
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SmallFry
4 years ago
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No doubt Guest, the policy is a mess! But that is no exuse for holding children to suffer for Failed policies. Or to hold children hostage for negotiations. And Melina tRumps jacket on the day she went to visit the detention camps? Yeah the tRumps really do not care. This isn’t done to any other immigrant populations.. Target the poorest and least defendable. It’s a disgrace and unexusable in my mind, what ever clever politics anyone wants to spin it as..

crimestopper2
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crimestopper2
4 years ago

All the anarchists/communists that think ICE is bad should provide unlimited free housing to these poor illegals and have them as guests forever in their homes. Socialism/communism is alive and growing and its these idiots supporting these ideals. Over throw the country-isn’t that treason and sedition?????
You don’t like this country/ go to Cuba,Venezuela,Congo,Germany,France anywhere else that doesn’t have Republic form of government, and enjoy all the “losses” of what you have now.
And sure as the sun comes up, these idiots are abound in Humboldt County. Go for Eureka council idiots can keep showing your TRUE colors so you can be voted out next terms.

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
4 years ago
Reply to  crimestopper2

Illegal immigration has been on the decline for more than a decade. The net immigration to this country has been negative since 2007. Building a wall will literally keep more illegal immigrants IN than OUT. The powerful are trying to make you fear the demographic with the very least political power, to distract you from their own extraction of wealth from the middle class, and you’re eating it up like pig slop. You should be embarrassed.

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4 years ago
Reply to  Jaekelopterus

The decline in illegal residents has declined in the last 10 years. But not by much. It is still more than 10 times what it was 50 years ago. And that is after 3 amnesty efforts.
https://immigration.procon.org/us-undocumented-immigrant-population-estimates/

Jaekelopterus
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Jaekelopterus
4 years ago
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Immigration of *all* kinds increased about 60 years ago, with the rise of the airline industry. Good luck putting that genie back in the bottle.

Guest
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4 years ago
Reply to  Jaekelopterus

Isn’t that exactly what Progressives want? Less carbon producing travel? But in reality the screening at airports for everyone means that travel without a visa is more difficult. So most sketchy people entering with nefarious purpose still arrive at another country then physically dodge the checks by bypassing border checks. The people who overstay their approved visas are another issue. But at least they had a minimal check to get their visa.

Dan F
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Dan F
4 years ago

Thre must b LOT of abandoned Bridges around this area< with all the Trolls gathered here complaining about some elected offiial actually giving a DAMN about someone less forunate!!!!

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4 years ago
Reply to  Dan F

Not less fortunate. More criminal. The only “unfortunate” part was getting caught.

john
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john
4 years ago

With a constant theme for ‘diversity’, illegal sanctuaries, laws allowing for quick release of inmates and criminals, and now the gun grab fiasco happening, this country is at war and has been since 911. 911 was the first shot at taking the US down. Their goal is taking the US and the constitution itself out of their way. The chaoses are a result of Obama led traitors who have infiltrated many of our socialeconomic systems, via immigration, quick release, ‘diversity’ programs. Remember the ‘standing army’ plot?
Illegal sanctuaries need to stop and our relationship to mexico must change with regards to the drug cartels violence as it relates to the country being our neighbor at all. Seems to me mexico needs help with their military, not with ‘refugees’ we can’t provide for adequately.
Helping mexicans or any other group should not come at the expense of everything we stand for and that includes the environment and it’s natural resources.
As an American I can assure you we are at war and it’s not nor never has been in the middle east.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago
Reply to  john

John, good points and thanks for speaking up. You sound ‘seasoned’.

“As an American I can assure you we are at war and it’s not nor never has been in the middle east.”

So many folks have forgotten all the time and sacrifices our elders devoted to providing America The Beautiful. We are in a dream-time when considered against human history.

Tribe against tribe territorial slaughters can’t be understood by the youngins. They’ve never lived it. They think they have discovered a new and better way to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness. They don’t know how to protect the world they enjoy.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago

There are 193 other countries in the world people can choose to immigrate to. They choose the USA with all of its requirements for legal entry or consequences for illegal entry. If they don’t want to gamble with the complexities of the US legal system they should look at other countries to immigrate to. Remember, despite everything, they are choosing to come here.

My parents legally immigrated.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

I was immigrated legally too.

From one of 193 countries US tax dollars fucked with for one reason or another.

I was born with Pinochet as my President.

Thanks Kissinger!

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
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I don’t know how that monster (Kissinger) still walks this earth.

“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
― Smedley D. Butler, War is a Racket: The Antiwar Classic by America’s Most Decorated Soldier

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

There are many a things that you and I agree on.

I know we’re both on the same page for Kissinger and Cheney sharing a cell with no beds.

Much money from America’s proxy war with Democratic Socialism in Chile also came from private hands. I shouldn’t put all the blame on taxpayers…

But as far as I’m concerned, I was lucky to have an American mom.

Guest
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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Damn all foreign entanglements… Oh wait…

Martin
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Martin
4 years ago

Humboldt County is a sanctuary for protestors, good for nothing but causing trouble. Why don’t they each take the place of a locked up immigrant. I don’t pay my taxes to have our Council members join in the goof ball antics of these people. NYC let an immigrant go free several days ago. A young man, that later in the day stabbed a 92 year old lady to death. I don’t want that happening here!!!

Diane
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Diane
4 years ago

I’m pretty disgusted at our city official over there promoting illegal persons to come over here with our existing homeless situation.

What ever, California is the swamp
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What ever, California is the swamp
4 years ago

Well is doesn’t matter what the fuck I say on this site because it will be deleted. Kym thank you for always deleting my comments. It really makes me feel like my opinion is worthless. Much appreciated. That’s the socialist party for ya

Kym Kemp
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4 years ago

I only show three deleted comments made by someone using your email address. Two broke the no insulting other commenters rule. One is not something that I would have deleted. I assume you deleted it yourself.

Someone
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Someone
4 years ago

Making us a sanctuary county wouldve brought ice. Didnt anyone read that bill? Where else does one hear of ice in california? In sanfrancisco, the la area.. all the sanctuary cities.. so if you want to keep ice out keep your sanctuary laws out too.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago
Reply to  ICU812

That’s a genuine eye opener. Maybe we ought to discuss out in the open why this is a fact. I mean what motivates white women to seek anti-depressant medications to the extent that addiction becomes a problem.

Are they depressed? Or confused?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

Maybe it is accessability for white women, as they have a larger share of healthcare and insurance?

On the other hand, depression used to be considered a women-only issue.

The majority of lobotomies were carried out on women.

Men are much less likely to see a doctor regarding depression and mental health in general, as it is in our culture to “handle shit like a man”.

Symptoms of depression in men include volatility and aggression.

Perhaps there is a link to why most public mass shootings are carried out by males….perhaps not?

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Nope, it’s not about mass shootings.

I agree that availability to the prescribed meds is no doubt a major factor. But, why the prescriptions? What are white women telling their Doctors?

What are their Doctors treating?

It’s still a part of our drugged society isn’t it?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

The point was that women are talking to their doctors about mental health more than men do.

That explains the higher prescription numbers in some regard, there are likely other factors too.

But men don’t acknowledge mental health as openly as women.

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

No, but close Brian.

Not simply women but specifically … 41% of white women over 45 are already addicted to some sort of a mind controlling substance. The diagnosis of depression is leading to a version of catnip designed for mind alteration. Just consider the ramifications the rest of us suffer because of these addicts.

Why are Doctors enabling this ?

Why are the women seeking such a harmful lifestyle ?

Buy the way, I searched 4 of the biggest selling antidepressants currently being prescribed for these patients. The potential side effects are horrible, death, permanent brain damage and mental diminishing effects, are cautioned against.

What can we do to help?

Guest
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Guest
4 years ago
Reply to  ICU812

“Harvard Health Publishing estimates that 1 in 10 women ages 18 and over are on antidepressants, and the Times reports that white women over 45 make up 41 percent of patients currently taking antidepressants.”

And what does that have to do with this article?

Rod Gass
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Rod Gass
4 years ago
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Kym Kemp encourages open commenting. Commenting to the title is not expected.

Aren’t you curious about the problem?

Deanna Beeler
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Deanna Beeler
4 years ago

in·tern·ment
/inˈtərnmənt/
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noun
noun: internment; plural noun: internments

the state of being confined as a prisoner, especially for political or military reasons.
“he was threatened with internment in a concentration camp”

in·ter·ment
/inˈtərmənt/
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noun
noun: interment; plural noun: interments

the burial of a corpse in a grave or tomb, typically with funeral rites.
“the day of interment”

I hope the writer meant internment camp rather than interment camp – confining somebody for political reasons, rather than burying them. Granted there’s often some overlap, but I don’t think she meant to say that the primary reason for that camp is to bury people.