Code Pink Rally in Humboldt County on January 25th
This is a press release from the Humboldt State University Associated Students:
Hello,
I am contacting you to let you know that there will be nationwide protests on Saturday, January 25, 2020, in opposition to the Trump administration’s dangerous escalation of the conflict with Iran, including the assassination of Qassim Suleimani and sending thousands of more troops to the region. We believe that the Trump administration’s reckless decision to withdraw from the 2015 nuclear deal with Iran is at the root of the present crisis.
Join us in solidarity with the people of Iran on January 25, 2020. We will be meeting at Humboldt State’s University Center Quad and then walking to the Arcata Plaza together as one. All are welcome to attend to show support for the people of Iran.
There will be a poster making session at Humboldt State in the University Center South Lounge on Friday, January 24 from 1-4 PM. There will be some materials provided, but feel free to bring anything you wish to use to create signs for the rally.
For any more information, please email:
Breannah Rueda – [email protected]
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So you are protesting something that has already happened? We are celebrating the destruction of evil. Killing this creature, who is a war criminal, who raped, tortured resisters, was a great thing. Now the Iranian people are protesting the thug regime and will remove their oppressors. Our students in our freedom schools know your way of thinking is wrong. And as for Trump, he has given you students more opportunities than ever. You have more jobs, the economy you are entering, Trump’s economy, is so successful, which will make you successful and secure. You kids should be great full you are not under a different administration who would suppress economic growth and opportunity. Why aren’t your professors teaching you these things? Perhaps you should protest those who are lying to you. Your professors are going to be facing the first graduates of freedom schools, and their way of thinking will be defeated by our freedom schools kids. They know how to challenge liars, and defeat them.
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I’m sorry, but regardless of how much you like Trump, assassinating people of a country we are not at war with is both illegal (by domestic and international law) and wrong. He may well have been a very evil person. However, we can’t just go around killing people. We needed to either first declare war on Iran, in which case everything is fair as the saying goes, or we needed to arrest him and give him a fair trial, where his crimes would be documented, and appropriate sentencing delivered.
As to everything else you said… sigh. Not worth my time.
well that is just false
Stuber, you are apparently unaware that once again we have killed a ‘creature’ of our own creation who was also of great value finding ‘targets’ in Afghanistan after 9/11. Our president is a shameless liar & opportunist. That is what is being protested.
Let’s see here. First. Trump already said he was going to seize any further actions the day after the assassination! Second Obama killed the PRESIDENT of Libya without hesitation. Obama killed the Leader of the Taliban with out hesitation or protest. Obama killed more innocent woman and children with drone attacks in his 8 year reign than the two presidents before him combined. Obama said he was going to withdraw troops from the Middle East but went back on his political promises and only increased troop activity in the Middle East. Where were all the protest than? Maybe you should educate your students on that? But no…Bring on the p@ssy hats and lets protest! Embarrassing.
First, just because of former president does something wrong, doesn’t absolve a second president from their responsibilities.
Second, your statements are incorrect. Misrata militia killed Muammar Gaddafi, president of Libya, in 2011. American troops were not involved in his death though they were carrying out strikes designed to protect civilians in that country. Also, Obama said himself that Libya was one of the worst mistakes of his presidency. Hardly, something we want Trump to emulate.
There were protests against Obama’s drone strikes. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-drones-germany-idUSKCN0YX0FM In part because he was scrupulous about making sure that civilian deaths were reported. Trump revoked the rule about reporting civilian deaths. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207 Secrecy about doing something wrong compounds the problem. As in so many cases, President Trump took something already ugly in the Obama administration and made it worse.
Protest isn’t embarrassing. You seem to understand that when you (incorrectly) call out that no one protested Obama’s terrible decisions. Protest is an important tool in moving leadership towards a more moral, sound decision making.
Funny thing is. If you show up to school with a trump hat on and want to protest progressiveness, your thrown out of school! Yes kym, I’m all for protesting. It is one our rights as free people. Just stop protesting in the name of misinformation,lies and propaganda. I have an idea? Why not intervene with ANY foreign policies? We need to stop trying to police the world and concentrate on saving our own country and it’s citizens before it’s too late. Wonder what it would be like if we spent 70 billion dollars a year on education, drug re-hab and actually feeding the homeless and creating jobs and infrastructure instead of spending it on a never ending holy war? Just a thought.Off to work. Have a good day.
Yes, there are instances of “progressives” throwing out people with Trump hats from events and even assaulting MAGA hat wearers. I’m appalled.
BUT it’s not like many similar instances don’t occur by Trump supporters. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blame-abc-news-finds-17-cases-invoking-trump/story?id=58912889 Neither is right.
The result shouldn’t be to vilify one side or another but rather to work towards sound policies. And peaceful protest can be an effective tool.
I’ll have to disagree with you on concentrating on saving our country and ignoring the outside world. Let’s say there’s a fire threatening your home and it is also threatening to swallow up the escape route. Of course, you need to try and save your home but you also need to keep the rest of the world from burning down.
That said. I also don’t think the US should be the police. I’m for a more neutral organization like the UN stepping in. I’d like to see the money thrown at our military judiciously spread around also.
https://lists.grabien.com/list-left-wing-political-violence-america
Here’s a list of documented attacks against conservatives. Love to see a list of conservatives doing the same????
I think the earlier link I posted in the comment above provides a list of documented attacks by conservatives against people they perceive as “bad.” BUT are we really going to claim virtue for one side or the other based on the behavior of what seem like outliers on both sides. What is the point of noting that some with liberal ideology behave badly and some with conservative ideology behave badly?
The only point I can see is that trying to claim pure virtue for one side or the other is obviously ridiculous.
so did you figure out that the numbers arent on your side. so now you dont want to use lists
Dang…you are trying to suck me into this false dichotomy aren’t you. Left wing extremist in fact have less violent killings to their name in 2018 (The most recent year I can find stats on) than right wing–by far.
https://www.adl.org/murder-and-extremism-2018
In spite of this…I do not think this is a sign that conservatives are wrong in their ideas. Don’t get me wrong. I do think as a whole the left has better, more humane solutions to our problems than those on the right. BUT I don’t think the behavior of outliers is what shows this. There have been times in our history, think the Sixties, when left wing violence was more pervasive.
What a biased site for determining who is an “extremist. And who is a ‘right wing extremist.” “Every single extremist killing — from Pittsburgh to Parkland — had a link to right-wing extremism.” A misogynist kills women and he’s a right wing hater of women. A man who killed in the name of Islam used to be a right wing extremist (by their interpretation) and therefore is thrown in with that group. The Parkland shooter was a mentally disturbed teen who object to being told what to do AND BLAMED others for his unhappiness. I guess if anyone is looking for information about using a gun to kill people that makes him a right wing extremist. What a lot of rot.
Surely, you don’t even think this is an argument we should even be having? Do the outliers in a political philosophy really stand out like champions showing the value or lack of value of an ideology? I certainly don’t think white supremacist Robert Bowers is somehow indicative of whether conservative views on taxes are wrong.
Kym this is so misrepresented in so many ways. ok, first i was referring to a list of attacks that are purely based on politics. second i think the guys in white pointy hats and swastikas are closer related to democrats and socialists, not right wing. look i am not trying to claim that 9/11 was carried out by left wing radicals, it feels like that would be your equivalent argument.
What do you want me to do–waste time on finding incidents like the Charlottesville incident of the man plowing into leftist protesters? This is a meaningless list that you want me to make. That there are people on either side that are extremists doesn’t make conservatives or liberals somehow better at solving the problems we face.
does your site automatically block any post with a link to breitbart in it?
No. Although, if I could figure out how to make links to non credible sources (liberal or conservative) stop a comment from posting, I’d be very tempted to do it. And Breitbart is not credible.
you are advertising for a rally that is based off of false pretenses
the breitbart link wont post and in this case they link their sources so you dont have to rely on them. i will try again in a post by itself
yep it wont post. if you want to use this you have to take the spaces out of it. four of them, fyi
https:// www. breitbart .com /the-media/2018/07/05/rap-sheet-acts-of-media-approved-violence-and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/
Kym, if you assign right wing to every murder, then it is a self fulfilling prophecy. Is every riot against authority then a left wing violence? Like when they attack police? Ambush police? Is that a result of left wing excoriating police as racist? If a Jew is attacked by a black person for being a Jew, is that left wing violence? Or is racism something that exists outside of political ideology? A communist is for example a leftist but has a history of much violence and murder whenever it has met resistance? Do you tick those up on your side when for example Maduro’s policies are to murder and encourage violence?
The trouble with this kind of thinking is that all white racists are considered “right wing” while no racist of any other stripe is considered “left wing.” You simply assign that racism to right wing and ignore it when it’s does not fit the stereotypes. It’s Tarzan reasoning “Me good. You bad.”
Guest, we could argue each case they point out as to whether it was left or right violence. I could go find cases of violence from the right. You could find cases of violence from the left. But why? What will that resolve?
you keep circling back. i stated that you are advertising for this protest based on false premises. you could still report on it without advertising it, oh i dont know maybe by reporting on it after it is over. and i said that the numbers are overwhelming and the politicians on the left are advocating for this incivility. this physical aggression is based on hate for President Trump and the good of the country. people are being harmed on a mass scale for supporting America first.
and on a side note, your website does have a problem with breitbart website links. go ahead try one yourself if you dont believe me
https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2018/07/05/rap-sheet-acts-of-media-approved-violence-and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/
Breitbart works fine for me.
Tax Payer, I’m not circling. I’ve explained this before. Events whether conservative or liberal or idiotic are posted free of charge in this section. I don’t judge them. If someone in the community wants to hold a rodeo, a bbq, a Code Pink event…I post it. If you want to send me some event promoting how Trump is due a peace prize for his wonderful calming of the Middle East, if its a real event, I’ll post the press release–no matter how ridiculous I might think its premise. This section is about events that are happening–no matter where they fall politically.
Also, TP, you and Brian both have asked me to censor what appears in this section. You might want to consider what it would mean should I start doing so. My politics are a lot closer to Brian’s than they are to yours.
i just did another link test and it still wont work for me.
you got me. if i am advocating for you to censor your articles, i apologize. i still stand by my belief that it is still advertisement, but i do know that you do the same for the republican party meetings. and i also do not have a website of my own so hats off to you
I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding something. This is not an article. It is a press release…which means it is not a neutral article. I post these in yellow with a green stripe on top of stating that they are press releases in bold at the top of the post so that people know they aren’t neutral articles.
TP, I used another person’s account to post a Breitbart link. You can see it at the bottom. https://kymkemp.com/wp-admin/comment.php?action=editcomment&c=941522
thank you Kym. i did notice from the beginning that this was not your ‘post’ or ‘article’ . i also would like to point out that this ‘rally’ “in solidarity” does not really fit into their supposed narrative.
Mission & Purpose
The Associated Students of Humboldt State University is a recognized non-profit corporation and an auxiliary of Humboldt State University. The specific purpose of this corporation is to:
provide a means for responsible and effective participation in the governance of the campus
provide an official voice through which students’ opinions may be expressed
foster awareness of these opinions both on and off campus
assist in the protection of the rights and interests of the individual student and the student body
provide services and programs as deemed necessary by the corporation to meet the needs of the student and campus community
stimulate the educational, social, physical, and cultural well-being of the University community
The Associated Students’ services and programs shall be established for the purpose of providing essential activities closely related to, but not normally included as a part of the institutional educational program.
to me this is a misappropriation of taxpayers monies. what a scam
https://associatedstudents.humboldt.edu/sites/default/files/2017-18_as_signed_final_audited_financial_statements_pbc018_hm.pdf
they even hired a company from Minneapolis, Minnesota. glad to know my state taxes go toward this crap and they hire a company from out of state because they couldnt reinvest the monies in california. mind you i disagree with taxpayer monies being spent to rally for iranians, peace loving or not. do that on your own dime
Okay…does that mean you still think I should take it down?
no. i agree with you. it is your site do as you please. i dont advocate it. if it were my site (and it is not) i would not post it until the day after. if anything i would suggest to you that the posting party put a link to their website in the press release. and if you wanted to do investigative reporting you could look into the almost a million dollars a year they receive (i believe it is from state tax monies and fees they impose on the students of hsu). this non-profit spends its (our) money on lots of stuff i dont agree with. i also dont think that hsu would let me have a non-profit and collect fees at their institution for similar but opposing views. i also would not want to spend taxpayer monies to accomplish that as i see it as wrong. as a taxpayer it makes me sick
No, I didn’t. Find one thing that says I approve of a single drone strike. Even once. What I objected to was your statement that Trump cancelling the EO on reporting civilian deaths made him worse than Obama.
“This action eliminates superfluous reporting requirements, requirements that do not improve government transparency, but rather distract our intelligence professionals from their primary mission,” an official said…
Mr Trump’s executive order does not overturn reporting requirements on civilian deaths set for the military by Congress.”
As for Obama’s accounting- “And there is good reason to believe that they undercount the civilians killed… “The source described official U.S. government statements minimizing the number of civilian casualties inflicted by drone strikes as “exaggerating at best, if not outright lies.” https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-obama-administrations-drone-strike-dissembling/473541/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/white-house-releases-its-count-of-civilian-deaths-in-counterterrorism-operations-under-obama/2016/07/01/3196aa1e-3fa2-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/05/do-not-believe-the-u-s-governments-official-numbers-on-drone-strike-civilian-casualties/
Why would you think a fictitious accounting by the Obama Administration , redacted and without details, was anything more than a PR exercise in lying? Personally it’s probably likely that Trump, with the endless hostile scrutiny that’s common now, simply prefers to eliminate the report than continue to lie about it.
Guest, This thread has gotten difficult to follow. I have no idea why you would think I think you were approving of drone strikes. I have no idea what you are saying “No, I didn’t to”
I think that moving from some transparency to no transparency…is a move in the wrong direction. I think admitting that there are civilians killed is way better than refusing to say anything…BY A LONG SHOT.
And with Trump’s record on lying…I think that the thought that Trump is uncomfortable if he had to “continue to lie about” the report is so ridiculous that I don’t think we are coming from the same universe on this.
Kym- “But why? What will that resolve?” Again if you thought it irrelevant, why bring it up? Not to mention your statement “. Don’t get me wrong. I do think as a whole the left has better, more humane solutions to our problems than those on the right. ” I believe that left is routinely less humane. No, the left’s violence is usually couched in the level of human detritus it creates, amount of force needed to make people act against their nature and the general failures it creates in the attempt to control. The left has a need to fix humans then fix the fixes over and over again until it can’t even feed people. Find one socialist dominated government who doesn’t lead its populace into destitution.
Countries that have adopted socialist policies and seen successful results:
Canada, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, Switzerland to name a few.
Note: There are many right dominated governments that have failed.
Kym- you said I “don’t get to absolve a second president from their responsibilities.” And that I “call out the left for letting Obama off the hook…and then you pour oil over Trump’s transgressions.” I did not absolve one President and “pour oil” over the other. I Do not even agreed about what was a transgression which somehow you believe to be absolute.
What I did was say you were wrong for calling Trump worse than Obama. The only way to do what you accuse me of is to support a drone attack done by Trump. So yes, you did say that I did I supported drone attacks because one can not be true without the other. It’s a useful diversion from the issue I was talking about- treating a person’s actions as good or bad depending on liking or disliking the person in general. With the Press and the left in general, it’s not “Trump does awful things so I dislike him” but “Trump is unlikable therefore his actions are awful.”
What frosts me so continuously is the slippery arguments by the left and especially the press about how horrible Trump is when he does what has been tolerated when a more favored personality did it. You did not approve of Obama’s drone strikes? Well did you put that in writing in equally disparaging terms or did you let it slid by unremarked? Did you call Obama a liar when he obviously was? And fairly frequently was. BTW I have a more complex view of both Presidents than the viewpoints you assigned to me. It is not so simple to be a President.
It’s like the remark about Trump and lying. You assume that it is accepted that there is no other reasonable idea except that Trump lies continuously. I disagree. Sometimes he says wrong things or phrases it in terms of absolutes when it’s not and refuses to admit to it. Is he capable of deliberately doing it to mislead people? Yes. So was Obama but the press did not say so. I started looking into the truth of speeches when Obama kept saying things that were on the surface impossible and I kept waiting for the press to point it out. They never did. While they latch onto Trump’s smallest errors, even his correct assessments, like pit bulls on a Chihuahua. This is the result of applying a political philosophy to reporting. Obama was sheltered because of the left’s agenda- they were determined to approve of him in everything- and the country is still suffering from it. While the same press agenda- the press is determined to disapprove of him on everything- rips Trump for the exact same things they were deadly silent on with Obama. This is not a reflection on either Presidents but ON THE PRESS and on the left’s politics of personality cults. The press has failed the public and continues full tilt to keep at it.
And another thing- I said find one socialist country that has not failed. Not countries that have socialist elements, even though I think they more they become socialist, the less they are able to keep up with it. But a single socialist government that hasn’t failed rapidly. The difference between conservative failures and liberal failures is that conservatives are trying to maintain something that already exists, maybe past its expiration date, while liberals try to create through government thing that hasn’t existed because they can’t exist. Already existing has at least that going for it- it has shown it works. It may not change when it needs to and thus lead to eventual failure but at least it doesn’t create failure from the start as inevitably as liberals create ever expanding socialism that will certainly fail in order to implement their philosophies which pretend self interest doesn’t exist.
“Countries that have adopted socialist policies and seen successful results:
Canada, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, Switzerland to name a few.”
No they haven’t. These are not socialist countries. These are capitalist countries that are thriving IN SPITE of their creeping socialist policies not because of them. Further more, the poor and the middle class pay MUCH higher taxes there than in the united states. Here’s a link that you won’t watch. Let me guess, not a credible source?
https://youtu.be/jq3vVbdgMuQ
Note: There are many right dominated governments that have failed.
Name them. What is your definition of a right dominated government?
“BUT it’s not like many similar instances don’t occur by Trump supporters. ”
This is what makes arguing with the left so exasperating. It is also why we, not on the left, incessantly point out the left’s never ending hypocrisy. If you wear a Trump hat to most major cities and most college campuses you will almost certainly be heckled and your risk of being assaulted is very real. That was not even close to the case under Obama. If we can’t start from that simple premise (we can’t because you refuse to admit it)), than we will never find common ground, which I believe is what the left wants and the reason why they have zero claim to the moral high ground that they incessantly attempt to claim.
Their answer to my above factual statement is completely predictable and is always the same: Post a link showing an Obama supporter being attacked by a right winger and then claim both sides do it equally. Same shit with every argument. Point out the media bias from CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS,MSNBC, BBC, PBS, etc. etc. etc. and the left will point out FOX news and exclaim: there’s media bias on both sides! Point out the Code Pink’s blatantly deafening silence during Obama’s historical bombing campaign, the left will show a single link to somebody on the left protesting Obama’s war machine and say: see, we’re not hypocrites. We protested Obama too. They will completely ignore the chasm between the protesting under Obama and protesting under Bush. Point out that blacks disproportionately commit violent crimes against whites than the other way around. The left will show you an example of whites committing violence against blacks and say “see, both sides do it”. You’re just a racist. If you show a link to statistics proving your point, do what Kym Kemp did in this very comment section: “and Breitbart is not credible”. If you use statistics that the left can’t refute as “not credible” the argument then goes like this: if blacks commit more crime in some instances, it’s because of poverty (that racists caused, of course).
Does Trump’s wink and nod to White Nationalist activities have something to do with a ban on wearing that hat in some places?? Of course it does.
Just observe a Trump rally and the cretins interviewed waiting in line. I wouldn’t trust any of those uneducated, brainwashed dumbasses. They don’t know whether their coming or going…
But I digress.
Red Hats/White Nationalists/ Trump.
There’s no mystery, you just pretend that poor Righties are being victimized.
I’m curious if I’m understanding you correctly.
To take just one of your examples…there are instances of violence by extremists on both sides but an overwhelming number of studies show that most recent ideological violence is right ideology related. I don’t think this is a very valid place to attack conservatives because no ideology is represented by their most extreme.
Yet, if I understand what you are arguing, you are saying that because you have knowledge of a lot of anti Trump supporter violence and you accept information sources such as Breitbart News, then noting that there is violence by conservatives is invalid because you say there is more liberal on conservative violence. Am I stating your argument correctly?
I think, though I may be wrong in doing so, that you are considering only the US in your view of violence so I’ll refrain from using international stats. But if we are to look at a scientific neutral source, then since the 70’s ideological violence in the US is more often perpetrated by those who are right leaning. Here’s a bastion of Conservative thought that I find relatively unbiased and fact based (hopefully, that means it is a source we can agree on.) The Wall Street Journal states,
https://www.wsj.com/articles/far-right-extremist-crimes-have-been-with-us-for-decades-11554463800 (Note: the whole article is very informative and definitely points out that there are left wing terrorists. I’m just trying to make a point and highlighting the areas I find of most value in proving my contention.)
So to me, it seems that the problem is not that those on the left don’t listen to those on the right but that YOU (a lot of other conservatives behave differently) are not reading sources that provide the facts. And you feel attacked when someone tries to show you otherwise.
But most importantly of all, I fail to understand why we are having this conversation. Sometimes left wing related violence is higher. Sometimes right wing violence is higher. It is useful to be alert to when one ideology is more likely to resort to violence but, in no case does the violence of one side or another, lead inevitably to proof that one side is more virtuous than the other and one ideology is better. So to me, slinging mud at another ideology because they have people who behave terribly as members is pointless. There are people who behave badly in all ideologies.
So you’re against the war, but you’re even more against protesting it? You’re against socialism, yet you work for the government in a job that would not exist without it. Is there anything about your politics that makes any sense, GC?
“Whatever it is, I’m against it”
(Groucho Marx)
Thanks for skewing the noise-to-signal ratio here further into the bullshit spectrum.
I have tried posting a half dozen times only to find each one absent. Enough to make So I’ll try again.
First Obama wasn’t “scrupulous about making sure that civilian deaths were reported”. He was forced into it because his policy of secrecy raised political risk- “To critics, the secrecy has for years permitted Obama to conceal the damage in human lives inflicted by what he calls “targeted killing”, insulating him politically from the consequences of lethal decisions that the president has decided can occur anywhere on earth for an indefinite duration.”
“Trump will inherit the apparatus for what Obama calls “targeted killing” – the so-called drones “playbook” formally known as the 22 May 2013 Presidential Policy Guidance or PPG – that has turned drone strikes into Obama’s signature counter-terrorism tactic.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/01/obama-drones-strikes-civilian-death
From your own link “President Barack Obama last month approved a drone strike in a remote area of Pakistan that killed Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour. U.S. officials said he had been overseeing plans for new attacks on U.S. targets in Kabul…
Begun under George W Bush, drone strikes were vastly accelerated and codified by Obama beyond officially declared war zones. Official estimates claim they have killed nearly 2,600 “terrorists”, though human rights activists consider that to be an undercount.”
“Obama’s embrace and vast expansion of drone strikes against militants and terrorists will be an enduring foreign policy legacy. Whereas President George W. Bush authorized approximately 50 drone strikes that killed 296 terrorists and 195 civilians in Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia, Obama has authorized 506 strikes that have killed 3,040 terrorists and 391 civilians…
“Ultimately, Obama succeeded in making Americans comfortable with drone strikes, as they are generally supported by the American public (though opposed throughout the world), and wildly popular in Congress. ” https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2016/01/12/reflecting-on-obamas-presidency/obamas-embrace-of-drone-strikes-will-be-a-lasting-legacy
You don’t get to dismiss precedent that Obama established with his frustrated use of executive orders to circumvent Congress. The left gave him the power by suppressing any criticism of him because of his race. He could have been a good President dealing with a hard time but for the left constantly protecting him from his mistakes.
And the link you gave was a protest against drone use by Obama- by Germans in Germany. You don’t get to claim virtue for the left wing when they were so shackled by their own identity politics that they refused repeatedly to limit Obama’s misuse of power. In fact the left wing rejoiced in their usual vicious way that he was imposing their wants by fiat even though it left an ugly legacy of Congressional impotence. The left created the precedents and can’t avoid their own legacy now by doing their usual spit-fest on Trump.
I can remember exhorting people to write their Congressmen and tell them to get a backbone and check Obama’s excesses but all that happened was that I was called a racist who would not recognize the authority of a black man. Drones were not they only policy this “cry racist” attacks by the press and left wing in general created. You are actually lucky that Trump is not the evil you think he is. If he was, your cohorts have neutered Congress so much that a true villain would have used your “ends justify the means” ethics so much more effectively to consolidate a power we could never shed. It’s an open question as to whether your “road to hell good intentions” have done just that.
Frankly the more you hate Trump, the more it becomes clear that his cringe worthy tweeting and returning blow for blow is the only hope for protection against the left’s delusions.
I think you missed the most important point. “First, just because of former president does something wrong, doesn’t absolve a second president from their responsibilities.”
I was against Obama’s drone strikes. You don’t get to dismiss that as though everyone on the left is in one lump yet insist on seeing the shades of differences in conservatives.
You call out the left for letting Obama off the hook…and then you pour oil over Trump’s transgressions.
How much of a fair trial did the people he raped and tortured and killed, as well as our servicemen and women he killed, did they get? They are so fair. Yes, we needed to kill him, and there are many others that should be destroyed. They go around just killing people all the time, it is about time we fight back. No, in Iran, they are refusing to walk on our flag, and are calling out their evil regime leaders. Hopefully they end up like Quadaffi, dead.
And, our economy is so strong, so many jobs for these children now that Trump is president. And impeachment? During all this time Pelosi has held it up, Trump is out there doing his job, and with these new trade deals being signed today, our economy, farmers, ranchers, timber industry, manufacturing, all up! If that is not worth your time, perhaps you could go to Venezuela and see what Bernie and Liz are proposing. Make sure you take your dog, so you won’t be hungry.
Giving people fair trials is one of the things that makes the US better than other countries, and not something anyone who believes in America would suggest bypassing.
bushy you and those like you are whats wrong with america.
It’s not surprising that Trump supporters find fair trials to be unamerican.
“Fairness” is what’s the problem in this state. Be fair to thieves. Be fair to murderers. Be fair to illegal trespassers. Fuck being fair. Life is not fair. Suck it up buttercup.
Yep, I’m one of those weird people who actually believes in the principles America supposedly stands for…
Like Fair Trials ??????
You mean like Obama gave Gaddafi and Bin Laden? Please, just another hate Trump get together. Scream session for over medicated women.
I love it, you get so triggered when someone exercises their right to assemble and protest.
Does it hurt you somehow?
What if I told you that a Trump rally is like an overflowing toilet, but with hats.
Previous administrations may have made mistakes as well, although see above for commentary on Gaddafi (short version: Obama wasn’t involved), and consider that Bin Laden had actually directly attacked our country and was an enemy we had explicitly declared war on, with authorization from congress. If you want to talk about how much better the current administration is, you can’t use “but it’s only a little worse than the previous one” to justify that.
Oh please, Trump has spent 333 days at a Trump Property and 252 days at a Trump golf course since his inauguration. Nearly a full year of 3years has been spent siphoning tax dollars for himself.
He doesn’t read briefings, watches ALOT of television and wastes an exorbitant amount of time on his whiny tweets.
Don’t even pretend he’s working his ass off for Americans.
Well I do agree with you that watching TV is a poor substitute for reading but then, when the press has become one big sound bite of opinion and hatefulness, maybe Trump has found the key to dealing with the stupidity of the left. Heaven knows they do not do much indepth reading either.
Please, he has his own complete echo chamber with Fox News and plenty of news outlets . Did that slip your mind?
Wasn’t he labeled as leader of a foreign terrorist organization? , Kind of like those guys that killed 3000 Americans on 9/11? . Sorry, if you get the designation of a terrorist be prepared to catch a hellfire missile in your forehead.
Yeah, he was labeled a terrorist by the same people that assassinated him. Iran declared the US military a terrorist organization, too. Our involvement in Iraq alone has caused almost half-a-million deaths, caused the rise of ISIS and our proxy forces have spent the last two months murdering protesters at a rate that would make the Chinese blush.
Code Pink – a pathetic gaggle of entitled hypocrites desperate to appear relevant by virtue signaling their “outrage” over something any decent person would be celebrating.
Just imagine what would happen to them if they were doing this shit in Iran while Soleimani was still alive? You know, out there in the streets protesting the fact that being gay in Iran is a capital crime, punishable by death. Oh that’s right, those that weren’t beaten and shot in the street would be arrested and tortured in prison.
Typical leftists. Anyone against the United States and freedom is their friend and ally.
Those hypocrites brush their teeth every day, yet they continue to eat food! They change the oil in their car, yet they continue to drive it around!
Democracy requires upkeep. That’s why Americans DON’T live in a theocratic shithole. Throw a pro-trump rally and see how many citizens show up.
What about all of the other murderous despots that he actually cozies up to?? You know, the ones he exchanges love letters with. Putin. Erdagon. You’re hilarious.
what’s the latest atmosphere from the Iranian citizens ?
They’re protesting their government, too. Even if their state is our current enemy (for which you can blame the CIA and the petrochemical industry) their people are not.
🕯🌳Get the hell out of my backyard you stinking Americans and take the this Iranian government with you.🇺🇸
All General Soleimani had to do was announce an investigation into the Bidens and he’d still be alive.
Trump’s latest sniffing, slurring, whining, incompetent speech would have been hilarious if it wasn’t actually the POTUS. Couldn’t read the TelePrompter, couldn’t pronounce words, couldn’t catch his breath. Seriously, what the hell is he high on? It’s the highest I’ve seen him so far.
What a national embarrassment.
No money for healthcare, education, infrastructure but we have 2 trillion dollars for bombs so that a pathetic old draft dodging coward who deep down knows he’s a weak piece if sh*t can pretend he’s the man his tyrant father told him he will never be.
44% of all Americans can barely make ends meet, earning $18,000 a year.
Having two part time jobs that pay 7.50 an hour may reflect low unemployment numbers but these people are hardly benefiting from the faux “booming” economy. I know, let’s pass some more tax breaks for the rich, that should fix things.
Trump is a fuc*king disaster.
What is he high on?
“What is he high on?” The incompetence of his opponents who keep aiming their shots at their own feet…
Nice try. Seriously, what makes him slur, snif, grapple with words??
Don’t pretend this didn’t happen.
What is he high on ? It’s something and that’s for sure. Cocaine? Snorting Aderall as has been alluded to?
There seems to be some confusion on who did what when and how in the Middle East, leading to much pointing of fingers and egging of face. To clear up any confusion, the relevant timeline is as follows, bullet-pointed for your viewing ease:
Iranian general Qasem Soleimani orchestrated attacks against the United States in various forms, culminating in an attack against the US Embassy.
Donald Trump snuffed Soleimani.
Iran blew off some fireworks and killed no Americans.
Trump holds a press conference to announce Iran killed no Americans.
Iran launched a missile “accidentally” and took out a Ukrainian jet full of 176 people, including Iranians, Canadians, Ukrainians and zero Americans.
Democrats blame Trump for the airplane’s crash.
Despite the clear timeline wherein Donald Trump has zero to do with the Iranians blasting a plane out of the wild blue yonder, the left and its most vocal cultists did this: (see pete butt gig)
🕯🌳But not in the Ukraine. 🖖🇺🇸
Why didn’t you just revert to your dumb phrase Orange man bad…
By the way, your “version” of “clearing things up” is hilarious.
its not mine. i copy paste. you can use your google
this might help you understand the joke
https://youtu.be/tqqwTgk8ri0
Got nothing original of your own?
homie dont play that
Yeah,sure
https://youtu.be/Z6EsNyIRG-g
Don’t bother, not going to your links
oh no! wallow in your misery, see if i care. someone more deserving will find if funny. the link is for everyone, not you. sorry to burst your bubble but you are not that important to me
Right, is that why you reply to me? Sadly your comments ring hollow here, you’re better off in Wally’s World.
If one escalates violence in a situation, then while one may not be the only person responsible, then it certainly would mean that one was somewhat responsible. So if Trump backs out of the Iran deal, escalating tensions. Then has a state official in a country we aren’t at war with assassinated on the land of still a third nation…And then in return, Iran attacks our bases and wonders if we’ll respond violently. So much so that when a passenger plane flies over, some fool with an itchy finger shoots down the plane, then yes, President Trump is partially responsible. Of course, Iran has it’s own responsibility for what happens but to ignore President Trump’s role in backing out of a deal that the US had already agreed to and how that led up to increasing tensions is missing a huge and important chunk of reality.
“If these new tensions come to define the Gulf relationship with Iran and no significant diplomatic steps are taken to create other means of resolving regional crises, the nuclear deal might actually contribute to a more unstable and violent Middle East.” https://www.cfr.org/expert-roundup/middle-east-after-iran-nuclear-deal
And that is exactly what happened. Sanctions lifted, more was spent by Iran on destablizing other countries. So is Trump contributing to “escalates violence” or is he acknowledging that giving money to the rabid section of Iran instigated religious violence worse?
well that is your interpenetration but not accurate. you were probably mislead by some toxic fake news. first if you let a bully push you and you do nothing (stand up for yourself) then tomorrow they push you harder. there is no blame in escalating violence, i would not expect anyone to not shoot someone who is beating their child to death. do i have to wait for them to kill my child before a shoot them to death? NO. now you can come to your own conclusion about the airplane (which is what you did). you ASSUME that person didnt know the full extent of what they were doing. i disagree. i believe (i have no proof) that the iranians didnt kill any americans on purpose. none at the base and none in the plane. i dont think they are dumb and not knowing what they were doing. third, you should look into the nuke deal. we get no access to their program and when it sunsets we have to allow them to have nuke capabilities. the only way to not promise them nukes was to cancel the deal and ‘pull out’. i hope this was a little bit of fresh air for you and an eye opener to the orange man bad crew
You have to keep in mind that any attacks he orchestrated he likely did as an agent of a foreign country, in line with the country’s policies, and likely at the direction of its leadership. In our country the CIA tends to take on this role, complete with their directly funding organizations, which may have been considered terrorist organizations by other governments, to carry out violence that we believe benefits US policy. Hell, it’s the CIA that covertly funded the very coup that started the current line of Iranian leadership. He was doing something we have an entire department to do ourselves, which is a significant difference from leading a terrorist group, which is how many people seem to be trying to frame his death. And, acting as a government employee, he had certain rights under domestic and international law.
Covertly warning the US about the missile attacks was actually a very well-planned move on Iran’s part. It gave them a way to show their people that they were retaliating for the US’s terrorist act, yet giving Trump an out rather than forcing further escalation. It would be nice if our leadership had the ability to make plans with that level of finesse…
I don’t know what to think about the plane. Since it doesn’t seem to have or in any way might have benefited Iran, it could have actually been an honest mistake or the overzealous actions of individual personnel. Another possibility is that an agent of another country (i.e. spy, traitor, etc) within their military took actions to cause the attack as a way of harming Iran. Such things have happened before. However, as Kym points out, none of this would have happened if Trump hadn’t started another conflict in the first place, regardless of the immediate reason for the attack.
this line of arguing is null and void. oh the cia did it so President Trump has to apologize. wrong. we did not elect the cia. they have a lot of issues the american voter and President Trump disagree with. are they not the communist deep state? just because the cia did something wrong or the last prez did something wrong does not mean the new President Trump should not do everything in his power to right it. Trump did not START anything, that is what the toxic really fake news media is spouting
What do YOU think is Trumps drug of choice?? I know you’ve seen the film footage.
orange is his favorite color
https://youtu.be/38RH5F7qXF8
Orange isn’t a drug. What was he high on ??
you changed the subject and so did i. its called logic. i didnt want to talk about your topic so i brought up one i like. hey i dont know maybe you can get high on orange
You are in denial. You won’t face the fact that your guy is high as fu*ck on something to the point he’s slurring , sniffing, confused, mispronounceing words on national television. Our President, a bumbling garbled mess. Then you sycophants try to pretend he’s gods gift. So hilarious. Thanks for the laugh.
tRump for Cancer!
“What is he high on?” The incompetence of his opponents who keep aiming their shots at their own feet…
It’s sad that that is all you’ve got….
Pretending that it didn’t happen. I know you probably saw the film footage. Aren’t you concerned that your guy appears to be out of his mind on drugs? Sad…
Bruh. Have did you watch Bernie. Or Biden. Or Pelosi. You lost this argument lol🤣🤣🤣period end of story
Haven’t seen any of them do what Trump does . Pelosi has Tardic Disconesia.
Nope, none of the people you tried to compare Trumps sluring, sniffing, confusion, lack of comprehension does what he does. Not one of them and you know it. Sorry, YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENT end of story 😂👍👍😂😩😅😂😄😜😬😃☹️😜😄👍😅😩☠️😬☹️😃😜😳🤓😎😀
This war with Iran is a complete ‘Wag the Dog’ move, I think it’s THE most blantent in modren history. The Iran Nuclear deal, was a very good deal. It took a lot of hard work to pull it off. It was a really bad move to pull out of it. It demonstrates illogical thinking. tRump only wanted to pull out of the deal because his personal quest to undue everything Obama did, wether it was good for the country or not. That’s completely illogically insane. This war is to no end. We haven’t even finished paying for the last war with Iraq.. What a mad man. Iran is way more put together than Iraq, and much More organized target. They are well funded. And most likely have Nuclear capabilities now. And.. tRump just freed like 10,000 isis soldiers into to region. And screwed over our allies. One of my family members will be deployed soon, and I am really concerned for them and their family. I feel like they are being sent into danger over nothing more than tRumps Vanity, and Political game. Is this what Russia would have wanted? So very lame. Not cool!
The Iran deal was good???omg your not even worth the time. Go put your pink hat on What a joke. Your probably watching cnn which has the lowest ratings of all news Did you even know that. More people watch fox than any other. Does that make the republicans the majority????oh and trump is the president. Yes that makes us the winners and you the?????🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂
It was a good deal, it opened Iran up to voluntary nuclear inspections and stopped them from making a nuclear weapon. It also allowed their oil on the international market which dramatically dropped the Fuel prices.. That’s pretty awesome. All without sending out troops into a war zone. The Republicans are not the Majority. Hillary won the popular vote. tRump barly won.
All that proves is that Republicans watch more TV than anyone.
tRump May have won the Election, but he runs the presidency like such a looser..
Lol 👍. Meanwhile the presidentS doing presidential stuff. Going to be a long 5 years Best of luck
Like doing drugs?
He is not doing Prez stuff.. He’s doing mad bad drugs and GOLFING! I mean maybe he doesn’t do drugs, And he is just retarded…either way.. it’s not very presidential.
we are a republic not a democracy. presidential elections are determined by electoral votes, not the popular vote, which is designed to keep California and New York from dominating the results based on popularity
Dead people and illegal aliens don’t count in American votes. Nice try😳
Neither can Voldemort Pootie-Poot Putin. Borris and Natasha tRump can be exiled back to their mother country…
Look. You Democrat’s lost. The republicans won. Russia Putin blah blah. Didn’t work not even a little. This impeachment Not going to work. You all look like complete jokes and you actually know it You’ll even lie to yourselves. Most of you hate trump more than you love America. Your actually on Iran’s side. Lol🤣🤣you folks are never going to win a election which I’m very grateful for. Can’t wait to hear about the 20 pink hats to show up to this joke🤣🤣shame on you America haters. You lost😂😂🤣🤣
Congrats, you covered every one of the bot Trumper talking points😂😂😂😜😂😂 Hey😂😂😂😜😄 What do YOU think is Trumps drug of choice😂😂😂☹️😳☠️😩??????
Cocaine?? ☠️☠️☠️
Aderall?? ☠️☠️☠️😂😂😆😅😂😃😎😜🤓😃😬😄😄😄😅😅😅😅
Let’s discuss the contouring and countershading he uses in his makeup to simulate cheekbones.
I am dead serious, I want to know what he was high on. His poorly executed makeup is a whole other subject.
the dems could benefit by having a clear platform instead of so much identity politics, stop focusing on trump and giving him your energy, there are real problems to be solved
Is that so? It doesn’t concern you that the president has a drug problem that he highlights on national television? What decisions is he making while in this state of mind?
His makeup is awful, too. Any drag queen would be embarrassed at his attempts at contouring, he looks like a fucking Ganguro Girl.
He’s a freak for sure. The hair alone is a freaky masterpiece.
I’m not positive but I’m pretty sure the president has never done illegal I repeat illegal drugs. I’ve also heard he’s never got drunk or doesn’t drink alcohol. If that’s true that pretty impressive. But keep on trying with your lies that you have no proof of anything Like I said you lost and will again. I’m very sorry your so angry but you’ll have to let it go. Just relax. Trumps your president
Ok, explain his behavior. Go on, I’m waiting. And please do it without mentioning Obama, the Clinton’s or anyone else.
View the video and tell me what’s up.
I used another person’s account for this:
https://www.breitbart.com/
i clicked on your link but it just sent me to admin login
https://www.breitbart.com/
well i see it works for you but i dont know what is going on except i still cannot post the link to the exact page from earlier. i click post and it just sends me to the top of the page and clears my reply. just fyi
The Breitbart link? It takes me to Breitbart. It sounds like something on your end.
Give them hell code pink.
Love Pink, not code pink.
Bode kink
Strobe bink
Chode fink
Corrode blink
Code Pink sounds to me as a call to arms.
I’m old enough to remember the American pinko commies that weren’t entirely communists nor even democrats. The children being taught to be anti-American at this Pinky Party are the sad end product.
A Code red, white and blue commencing with a flag salute would be the better teacher.
I don’t remember anybody but cops open-carrying at the last two Code Pink rallies, but so what if they were? You’re suddenly a hoplophobe?
I though the problem with communism was that it would deliver us into the hands of the Russians, but your dear leader has already seen to that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_charges_brought_in_the_Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017%E2%80%932019)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Parnas_and_Igor_Fruman
Your talking points are dusty and stale. Get with it. Calling Democrats UnAmerican and UnPatriotic is so 2016. Some of you here are still with the ” your buttsore, Hillary lost, Your UnAmerican, Your UnPatriotic blah blah blah blah.
C’mon, up your game you righties, it’s pathetic.
Still wondering, What is Trumps drug of choice? I’m leaning towards the snorting of Aderall, his affectations are pretty strange. It’s not quite Cocaine symptoms but is definitely something along those lines.
Go Trumpy !!! Sniff, Slur, Garble. So sad.
Yea sure. Your right. Your very hurt. Thank god you and your kind are not in charge. End of story. You lost and it hurts I understand You will lose again. My kid lost a baseball game one time and it hurt but nothing like your pain. Time will heal but it’s going to be four more years. This will be my last comment as I have a life. But it’s been fun going back and forth. God bless America and Americans even yea sure🤣🤣
What Evah Stretch! Keep drinking the winning Orange Koolaid from your supreme Leader’s Golden Shower! This your last comment ‘cause that’s all u got. Your Criminal in Charge is lying, traitorous POS. And now will send our troops into danger over a Russian Perogative. Time won’t heal this bullshit, but removing this Psycopath from office will!
Don’t have to up game we won. You lost. Mabey you should up game. Think about it. Let it settle in🤣🤣
Democrats won the House, and elected some of the most progressive Canidates in History.. Your Manchild is impeached, and headed for the Jail house, so let that marinate… BTW, tRump is still a Loooser! No amount of ‘winning’ will change that!
None of the Articles of impeachment are criminal. So, as it stands, jail is not probability.
But there is a slim possibility that a sealed indictment from Muellers investigation is in wait for when he leaves office.
If there was a criminal indictment from Mueller it would have been leveraged for the impeachment. The Dems are operating with very thin accusations. I think their political maneuverings are going to backfire spectacularly.
No, I don’t think the indictment would be used in the impeachment if it is sealed.
A footnote spells out that a criminal investigation could ultimately result in charges being brought either after a president has been removed from office by the process of impeachment or after he has left office. Mueller explicitly rejected the argument of Trump’s lawyers that a president could not be guilty of obstruction of justice for the conduct in question: “The protection of the criminal justice system from corrupt acts by any person—including the President—accords with the fundamental principle of our government that ‘[n]o [person] in this country is so high that he is above the law.’”
https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/587509/
Maybe not yet, but like 7 of his closet Aids ARE.. Dominoe effect. Word sound power… say it a million times.. maybe it will happen! He at least needs rehab, if nothing else!