42 Firearms Seized in Last Week’s Raids on Marijuana Grows, Says MET

icon Humboldt COunty Sheriff's OfficePress release from the Humboldt County Marijuana Enforcement Team:

During the week of September 3rd, 2019, the Marijuana Enforcement Team served search warrants from Orleans to Southern Humboldt. The weeks stats are as follows:

20,807 plants
1,218 pounds of processed marijuana
600 pounds of marijuana shake
42 firearms
6 arrests.

Additionally, numerous stream diversions, pollution of waterways, illegal grading/roads were discovered.

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Jc
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Jc
4 years ago

Medical cannabis, or medical marijuana (MMJ), is cannabis and cannabinoids that are prescribed by physicians for their patients.[1][2] The use of cannabis as medicine has not been rigorously tested due to production and governmental restrictions, resulting in limited clinical research to define the safety and efficacy of using cannabis to treat diseases.[3] Preliminary evidence suggests that cannabis can reduce nausea and vomiting during chemotherapy, improve appetite in people with HIV/AIDS, reduces chronic pain and muscle spasms[4][5][6] and treats severe forms of epilepsy.[7]
The tweeker junk yards they pass to get the MMJ farms must not be environmental damage or a public nuisance.. oh that’s right no money there.

gunther
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gunther
4 years ago
Reply to  Jc

Cool. Go to your favorite dispensary and buy some, or grow a few plants for yourself.

Jc
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Jc
4 years ago
Reply to  gunther

Yah, go to the d and get rapped on the prices! Taxed to death. Nothing but commercial crap hemp. I require actual medicine ,whole plant, not some vape shit with glycol. Add some propylene to the glycol and you can put it in your radiator. I bet your truck will love getting a buz. Further more the county code keeps me from growing my own, thanks for caring. Such compassion for actual patients

Me
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Me
4 years ago
Reply to  Jc

Pretty sure you can buy a single seed plant and put it in a 100 gallon pot a mind pull a couple pounds . Totally legal and should last you a years worth of smoke.

Little fish
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Little fish
4 years ago
Reply to  Me

Some counties only allow six indoor plants.

I love growing flowers
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I love growing flowers
4 years ago
Reply to  Little fish

How many plants can a person grow in Eureka? I’m asking for a friend…….yuk, yuk…..yuk!

Jc
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Jc
4 years ago
Reply to  Me

You know I would love to reply to ME but it would be too confusing and sound like I should be admitted……🤪

tech
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tech
4 years ago
Reply to  Jc

I think a prime example of this is the illegal auto wreckers yard on Highway 36 just past the Dinsmore Store and before Van Duzen River Road. CDFW, HumCo., Water Quality Board, etc. all drive right past this place to raid farms all over out the 36 yet never stop by the spot that is dumping cars into the Van Duzen. There are multiple cars that have been rafted down the river from this dump because of storing them in the flood plain of the Van Duzen. Really makes you wonder about all this. It isn’t about the environment. It is all about the $$$$$$$$$ with these agencies and the optics of it all. Check it out for yourselves.

https://goo.gl/maps/XmxXJLXWz7WWzey27

Life is Good
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Life is Good
4 years ago
Reply to  tech

Definitely not about the environment and all about the money.

Steve
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Steve
4 years ago
Reply to  Jc

Jc…I’ll tell ya what 18 months ago I was diagnosed with Hodgkin’s lymphoma I lost 70lbs the only way I could keep anything down was due to pot, I had to vape because Dr. was concerned about any mold in leaf material. To me it was a life saver…also helped getting of the morphine.

Muddy Black Dodge
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Muddy Black Dodge
4 years ago

Wow Jc that’s a lot of typing at 7a.m…

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago

6 arrests is more notable than 42 firearms, me thinks.

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Honsal stated they also seized cash during the raids. He made the statement at the board of supervisors meeting but they never say how much.

Pharmstheproblem
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Pharmstheproblem
4 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Right, no auditors in comptrollers office to oversee where the cash goes, read Humboldt grand juries report… They said every dept is ripe for fraud… Good old Humboldt County government….

Trinity love
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Trinity love
4 years ago

The whole situation is ripe for fraud. This is a very fraudulent buisness. This product allows for much fraudulent activities.
I lost 200 plants to bugs or mold puts 1600 lbs on the streets easily. Investigate all owner operator and staff would prove alot of crooked stuff..
California will never see the cash it has the last 15 yrs from this product.

Jo
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Jo
4 years ago
Reply to  Trinity love

Better yet let me sell my high end product in the Midwest then buy cheap crap later in the season from the black market and send it to concentrate then sell the concentrate to a dispensary

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

“…and we seized 3 mill… ummmm… 2 thousand dollars…” -some public official

Sincere Ignorance and Conscientious Stupidity
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Sincere Ignorance and Conscientious Stupidity
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Asset forfeiture is a crime against all of us.

Mike
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Mike
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

….and we seized 3 mil…… umm actually this raid cost us, like allot of dollars. Like it cost us so many dollars that we need some more tax dollars…. yeah that’s what we meant to say.

Shoot'em if you got'um
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Shoot'em if you got'um
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

What happens to the weapons? Do the deputies get to enlarge their personal weapons caches? Many years ago I found a 32 caliber nice handgun in a parking lot and like a good citizen I turned it in. I was told that after 30 days if the weapon was not used in a crime and no one claimed it I could register it and take ownership. After 35 days I went to the Sheriff’s Office and was told the weapon was gone. My neighbor was a deputy and I asked him to check what happened to the weapon and he told me a deputy took it for his wife. Hasn’t the same thing happened at the Coroner’s Office? Deputies bought deceased people’s property for very cheap prices if any. One never hears about mass destruction of weapons in Humboldt County. A lot of weapons have been confiscated in the last several years. I wonder where they ended up. Maybe we shouldn’t worry about criminals, but police officers!!

Central HumCo
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4 years ago

~well said, Shoot’em if you got’um. Good questions.

Cannabis Is Legal
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Cannabis Is Legal
4 years ago

Cannabis is legal.

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
4 years ago

Marijuana is enforced by an armed team that do not publicly report cash seizures. They are reporting the weapon seizures so they can justify strong arm tactics as Honsal stated at the board of supervisors meeting this week “when the HCSO enforces a search warrant they do so with guns drawn because of past experiences.”

“People don’t want us there and people aren’t greeting us with open arms,” Honsal said during the meeting. “It is not pretty sometimes.”

Hard to have open arms when you are told to put you hands up where we can see them and then immediately cuffed behind your back.

guest
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guest
4 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Yet there are weapons. Not reporting them does not make them disappear.

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
4 years ago
Reply to  guest

Last I checked the second amendment still exists. They are seized because of fortifiture laws, ya know like the Nazis when they displaced the Jews from their homes and took all their belongings. This is oppression from our local government in violation of many civil rights. When (not a matter of if) the blood gets spilled on the hill we can start from the beginning of “we do so with guns drawn.”

FCKNZS
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FCKNZS
4 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Comparing illegal cannabis growing while armed to the atrocities committed by Hitler and the Third Reich is one of the stupidest f*cking things I’ve ever heard in my whole life.

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
4 years ago
Reply to  FCKNZS

I am not comparing the Nazi “Final Solution” as you are in wrapping it all together in your politically correct world. Gestapo like, yes, when a government lies to oppress a certain group of people and labels them as unsatisfactory (criminals) removing their rights afforded under the constitution of said government. Yep, that is something Nazis did, It happened, it is real and you smell of bacon….

Perry Mason
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Perry Mason
4 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

The Jews were not known to harbor weapons. Much different than today. Several legal authorities have written extensively about the Second Amendment. They wrote the following. It is long, but worth the time to read.

“Modern debates about the Second Amendment have focused on whether it protects a private right of individuals to keep and bear arms, or a right that can be exercised only through militia organizations like the National Guard. This question, however, was not even raised until long after the Bill of Rights was adopted.

Many in the Founding generation believed that governments are prone to use soldiers to oppress the people. English history suggested that this risk could be controlled by permitting the government to raise armies (consisting of full-time paid troops) only when needed to fight foreign adversaries. For other purposes, such as responding to sudden invasions or other emergencies, the government could rely on a militia that consisted of ordinary civilians who supplied their own weapons and received some part-time, unpaid military training.

The onset of war does not always allow time to raise and train an army, and the Revolutionary War showed that militia forces could not be relied on for national defense. The Constitutional Convention therefore decided that the federal government should have almost unfettered authority to establish peacetime standing armies and to regulate the militia.

This massive shift of power from the states to the federal government generated one of the chief objections to the proposed Constitution. Anti-Federalists argued that the proposed Constitution would take from the states their principal means of defense against federal usurpation. The Federalists responded that fears of federal oppression were overblown, in part because the American people were armed and would be almost impossible to subdue through military force.

Implicit in the debate between Federalists and Anti-Federalists were two shared assumptions. First, that the proposed new Constitution gave the federal government almost total legal authority over the army and militia. Second, that the federal government should not have any authority at all to disarm the citizenry. They disagreed only about whether an armed populace could adequately deter federal oppression.

The Second Amendment conceded nothing to the Anti-Federalists’ desire to sharply curtail the military power of the federal government, which would have required substantial changes in the original Constitution. Yet the Amendment was easily accepted because of widespread agreement that the federal government should not have the power to infringe the right of the people to keep and bear arms, any more than it should have the power to abridge the freedom of speech or prohibit the free exercise of religion.

Much has changed since 1791. The traditional militia fell into desuetude, and state-based militia organizations were eventually incorporated into the federal military structure. The nation’s military establishment has become enormously more powerful than eighteenth century armies. We still hear political rhetoric about federal tyranny, but most Americans do not fear the nation’s armed forces and virtually no one thinks that an armed populace could defeat those forces in battle. Furthermore, eighteenth century civilians routinely kept at home the very same weapons they would need if called to serve in the militia, while modern soldiers are equipped with weapons that differ significantly from those generally thought appropriate for civilian uses. Civilians no longer expect to use their household weapons for militia duty, although they still keep and bear arms to defend against common criminals (as well as for hunting and other forms of recreation).

The law has also changed. While states in the Founding era regulated guns—blacks were often prohibited from possessing firearms and militia weapons were frequently registered on government rolls—gun laws today are more extensive and controversial. Another important legal development was the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Second Amendment originally applied only to the federal government, leaving the states to regulate weapons as they saw fit. Although there is substantial evidence that the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment was meant to protect the right of individuals to keep and bear arms from infringement by the states, the Supreme Court rejected this interpretation in United States v. Cruikshank (1876).

Until recently, the judiciary treated the Second Amendment almost as a dead letter. In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), however, the Supreme Court invalidated a federal law that forbade nearly all civilians from possessing handguns in the nation’s capital. A 5–4 majority ruled that the language and history of the Second Amendment showed that it protects a private right of individuals to have arms for their own defense, not a right of the states to maintain a militia.

The dissenters disagreed. They concluded that the Second Amendment protects a nominally individual right, though one that protects only “the right of the people of each of the several States to maintain a well-regulated militia.” They also argued that even if the Second Amendment did protect an individual right to have arms for self-defense, it should be interpreted to allow the government to ban handguns in high-crime urban areas.

Two years later, in McDonald v. City of Chicago (2010), the Court struck down a similar handgun ban at the state level, again by a 5–4 vote. Four Justices relied on judicial precedents under the Fourteenth Amendment’s Due Process Clause. Justice Thomas rejected those precedents in favor of reliance on the Privileges or Immunities Clause, but all five members of the majority concluded that the Fourteenth Amendment protects against state infringement of the same individual right that is protected from federal infringement by the Second Amendment.

Notwithstanding the lengthy opinions in Heller and McDonald, they technically ruled only that government may not ban the possession of handguns by civilians in their homes. Heller tentatively suggested a list of “presumptively lawful” regulations, including bans on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, bans on carrying firearms in “sensitive places” such as schools and government buildings, laws restricting the commercial sale of arms, bans on the concealed carry of firearms, and bans on weapons “not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes.” Many issues remain open, and the lower courts have disagreed with one another about some of them, including important questions involving restrictions on carrying weapons in public.”

shak
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shak
4 years ago
Reply to  Perry Mason

That was a mouthful.
Now we’d like a mouthful regarding the unconstitutional amendments, the forced amendments, the never ratified amendments and the comparison between the First 10 amendments that outlines examples of every individual’s rights, and the from then on amendments that stack the ‘powers’ against the rights of the people.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

“People don’t want us there and people aren’t greeting us with open arms,” Honsal said during the meeting. “It is not pretty sometimes.”

~sitting at a desk from 9-4:00 and commenting about raids he never goes on.

Cannabis is regulated
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Cannabis is regulated
4 years ago

Cannabis is regulated.

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago

hey ”cannibis is legal”, Go tell that to a Texas Ranger with a doobie in your mouth…..

Ticket
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Ticket
4 years ago

@Government Cheese-Are you implying you don’t support states rights?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Ticket

States right don’t supersede the People’s rights.

Ticket
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Ticket
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

People rights? Can you explain further? Seems like states rights supersede the peoples rights when its convenient for people who don’t agree with the People Rights in any given situation.

Abortion comes to mind. Should that be the rights of the people, or a states right issue? How about states that until recently (very recently in some instances) outlawed inter racial marriages?

If the People rights always supersede the states rights….why do we have states rights to begin with?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Ticket

States rights (actually state’s authority) supersede federal authority unless the US Constitution expressly grants that authority to the federal government per the 10th Amendment.

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

The People’s rights are, in part and not limited to, enumerated in the Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments as conveyed in the 9th Amendment:

“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

The rights retained by the People are those handed down by “…the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God …” as illustrated in the Declaration of Independence. The rights can not be superseded by any part of government without our government breaking it’s contract to the People. The 2nd Amendment exists to act as a bulwark against efforts to take away the rights of the People.

shak
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shak
4 years ago
Reply to  Ticket

Like Ullr Rover said, States have powers, not rights.

Do states have the power to over ride the rights of the people? No.
The states cannot mandate democide, one or no religion, laws for us but not for them, … the states are limited to powers, not rights.
Calling them state’s rights is just slang. The slang somehow became gospel after being used by crooked ‘authorities’.

The states are not in charge of the people’s rights or the Fed’s enumerated powers. Neither are the Feds in charge of the state’s powers or the people’s rights. When the 3 crash and mingle, there is tyranny.

Enumerated powers of the Feds, does not allow for a standing army, because the people are supposed to be well armed, well trained, and ready to protect the constitution.

Both the States and the Feds are supposed to Secure the Rights of the People. Instead, they’ve both been falsely ‘educating’ the people that the State’s and the Feds are the grantors and deniers of the People’s Rights.
Had they of not been brainwashing the people, the people would fully understand and support the ‘self governing’ principles that our Constitution is based on.

Ullr Rover nailed it.

guest
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guest
4 years ago

The Texas Rangers are the biggest dope, gun, and human traffickers in the nation. Some of the dirtiest cops in the south reside in Texas. If you don’t pay, you will not get to play. Cartels have owned these pigs for decades.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago

MAY ALL THOSE THAT SHOW UP EVERYDAY TO BE TYRANNICAL AND OPPRESSIVE REAP THEIR JUST REWARDS AND EAT THE FRUITS OF THEIR LABOR, SPIRITUALLY, PHYSICALLY, AND FINANCIALLY.

Willie Caos-mayham
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4 years ago

🕯🌳What they don’t realize is even the people that get medical marijuana still want a buzz. The stuff you get at the med store is so GMOed down to comply with the rules that it doesn’t do what people want. That’s why there scared of the og growers because there stuff isn’t modified and would sell better.

Sense
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Sense
4 years ago

This makes no sense.

This guy
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This guy
4 years ago

Orignal ganster growers? Prwtty sure thebfirst growwrs were more hippiw typea than ganster types

Holla
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Holla
4 years ago

GMOed down? Please explain what you mean by this

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
4 years ago

Sorry, Willie, but broad generalizations often fail. Some folks don’t want the buzz. I do. You might not. It’s hypocritical and a buzzkill for society to be jumpin’ up and down because some folks cop a buzz along with other therapeutic benefits. BTW, if somebody gets home from work and has a little bourbon on rocks to feel good and relax, that, in itself may be therapeutic.

Here’s a fun thing: Next time you see a million dollar ad for tranqs and mood elevators, check out the warnings about horrific side effects. Call 1-800-don’t-kill-your-family.

Best cartoon I’ve seen shows a doctor talking to a bed-ridden patient: Wipe that smirk off your face, Miss Taylor, this is MEDICAL marijuana!

Years ago at a public meeting, the topic of the respected and heroic Dr. Mikuriya came up. a law enforcement officer said sarcastically: oh yeah, Dr. FeelGood.

I responded: Well, yeah, Dr. FeelBad wouldn’t get many patients.

The current vaping tragedy is obviously the result of industrial Additive(s) added to mass-produced vaping devices. People have been vaping their personal or cert. organic pot on home units for years. One avoids the tars, toxins, and particulate matter that result from burning and titration of dosage is better controlled than with comestibles.

SmallFry
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SmallFry
4 years ago

Makes perfect sense Willie! It’s like comparing bland conventional tomato to a brandywine or Cherokee Purple.. They are scared of the OG’s! Way too GMOed down! Understood!

Doggo
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Doggo
4 years ago

So neither the 2nd nor 5th ammendments apply in mendo?

Legallettuce
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Legallettuce
4 years ago
Reply to  Doggo

We are in Humboldt Toto. I am sure Mendo has its own corporate backed carpetbagger thugs that are funded with public dollars carrying badges that pillfer cash under the guise of saving the environment.

I will say I know personally they did not come “guns drawn” in Mendo. They drove up to the gate with papers, cut the lock on the gate, made some minceweed, loaded it all up and left. They did leave a mess and it reaked heavily of weed.

Awesome future
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Awesome future
4 years ago

Undoubtedly Honsel will get more funding for this endless drug war ..Estelle yammers on about how marijuana is still a schedule 1 !! She keeps saying this like somehow this justifies unconstitutional actions by the sheriff dept. Estelle said this when supervisor Steve madrone talked of complaints of thug tactics and robbery used by the humboldt sheriff dtf at recent supervisor meeting.

Pierce Chaos
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4 years ago

Awesome! keep up the good the good work!

Sparkelmahn
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Sparkelmahn
4 years ago
Reply to  Pierce Chaos

Dick Tracy: is that you?

Ben
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Ben
4 years ago

No locations.. No confiscation amounts.. No cash amounts.. No arrest records.. How about some transparency..

Red pill
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Red pill
4 years ago

Thank god. Those guns could have escaped and done some serious damage

shak
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shak
4 years ago
Reply to  Red pill

So true! I wonder if they’re the same ones that were discussing rioting the other night at the bar. Bars are notorious for allowing lunatic guns to assemble and instigate terror against other guns … and even… gasp… animate objects. Maybe they should ban bars!

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  shak

I looked it up guest. There’s roughly 150,000 construction accidents in the US every year. 61% of those are caused by re-bar impalement . That’s 91,500 serious injury’s by rebar every year in the US ! 10% of those are fatal leading to 10,000 deaths a year by re-bar alone! Ummmm maybe we should ban re-bar? If my calculations are correct, you are far more likely to die by falling on a piece of re-bar than harmed by a firearm. (Don’t tell the liberals that though)

Kelley Lincoln
4 years ago

10% of 91,500 is far closer to 9,000 deaths per year by rebar. and that is fewer than 1/4 of all gun deaths in the United States per year. From an article at the Pew Research Center, “39,773 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S., according to the CDC [Center for Disease Control.]

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  Kelley Lincoln

Kelly. 6 in 10 gun deaths are suicide….. again proving my point, people kill people . That’s 23,839 suicide by firearms every year, beats the hell out of trying to die by alcoholism. That can take decades! I’ve tried.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Kelley Lincoln

Two thirds of those 40k are suicide. Around 12k are actual homicide by handgun with 2k from rifle and shotguns.

Slightly more people are killed by hammers and ropes than rifles.

shak
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shak
4 years ago

Guest is confirmed right. Ban it!! I bet they’re in kahoots with those re-volvers.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago

The fact that you cant build concrete bridges, buildings or foundations with guns in place of rebar – is similar to the fact that there are no mass school rebar killing sprees.

Tools of the trade is an important detail.

We know what trade rebar belongs to, but what trade do guns belong to?

Accidental gun deaths are similar to accidental deaths on the job, like rebar, ok.

Dont forget: Accidents on the job often lead to investigations and changes in policies.

And while we’re comparing opposites;

To build buildings in the US, you need to be licensed, permitted, bonded and insured – maybe the same should apply for buying guns?

Being murdered is not the same as an accident on the job, and theres no comparison in my opinion.

Government Cheese
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Government Cheese
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I am licensed,permittted and insured on firearms Brian , i agree! I also think people should have mandatory target class and be recommended to shoot 5,000 rounds before legally owning a gun….. but that’s just me. Guns are not a trade by the way, they are a right. Many of us tend to forget that. . Lose that right, and this page and your comments will be taken away next, just saying?!?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

“To build buildings in the US, you need to be licensed, permitted, bonded and insured…” strictly speaking, that is not true. Only the company or individual carrying the contract need to meet these requirements. It does not apply to owner builders and hourly workers.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

No building is being constructed without permits licenses bonding and insurance.

Employees hired by companies all are subject to have an impact on those prerequisites, especially if they don’t follow protocol and screw up….like kill someone with rebar.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I suspect there are many buildings being built without your prerequisites.

tax payer
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tax payer
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

you missed the logic brian. the ‘building’ has to have a licensed contractor, i get what you are saying. now all the workers that building dont have to have a license. when you buy a gun the company that sells it to you has to have a license and follow all the rule. fact you do have to get a background check to buy a gun and guess who enforces that? the answer i am looking for is ‘the store’

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  tax payer

While I think its ridiculous to compare being murdered to a job site accident, and that was my point, you’ve found a way to make it more logical for you.

Good job.

Now I’m scared of Construction sites and rebar.

Long barrel semi auto rebar is obviously a threat.

The NRA, National Rebar Association, will be busy pushing for ignoring rebar deaths at jobsites anyday now…

Mike
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Mike
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Accidents on the job lead to policy changes? Are you actually attempting to say that there haven’t been changes in firearm policies? Cause that’s not even stupid it’s arrogant. In this state assault weapons are illegal, you can’t buy a gun under the age of 21, you can’t transport a weapon in a vehicle unless it’s locked up,you have to get a doj check to buy ammo and they’re working on banning all semi auto rifles. Eat,etc. Even though non of their policies have been shown to have a real effect on crime. There have been far more politicians working on reforming gun laws that have ever gave a crap about rebar, oh yeah you have to put a rubber cap on it.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

There have been far more politicians working on reforming gun laws that have ever gave a crap about rebar, oh yeah you have to put a rubber cap on it.

That’s because no one considers rebar a threat in the same way a gun is….

Thanks for agreeing!

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

If the media hyped the “rebar threat” there would be action there too. The fact is rebar (ultimately a stupid analogy) and firearms have the same amount of volition to act out and cause injury and death. Which is to say, none.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

I agree – it’s a stupid analogy.

The tools of the trade is still my point of debating your latter statement about intent and volition though.

We dont fly on brooms. 1 reason is we are not witches, the other reason is because they dont fly.

Planes fly.
Brooms clean.
Hammers build.
Guns kill.

Theres no way around these simple truths.

Perhaps that’s why the media isn’t freaking out about rebar, brooms or hammers.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

99.9999999% of gun owners have not killed anyone with their guns…

Unless you’re counting paper, clay and food.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

100% of the people killed by gun violence are dead.

Vegas, Sandy Hook, El Paso, Parkland, Gilroy, etc….

These were not rebar parties gone wrong.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

And those are anomalies. Again, more dead from hammers, ropes and knives than the evil black rifles everyone is so focused on.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Anomalies are not regular events.

Mass shootings are regular events.

Arguing that hammers, knives and rope kill more than “rifles” is an arguement for gun control.

Show me 2 mass killings by rope, knives or hammers in the last 20 years in the US.

Then dig up how many people who killed with hammers had a gun available – but chose not to use it.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I think you’re asking to wrong questions.

“How a Botched Study Fooled the World About the U.S. Share of Mass Public Shootings: U.S. Rate is Lower than Global Average”

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3238736

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/09/04/mass_shootings_in_america_anatomy_of_a_hyped_statistic_137960.html

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Public mass shooters almost always attack alone; this is common knowledge and has been consistently shown in previous research. Unfortunately, John Lott and Carlisle Moody ignore this fact. They include many forms of group violence in their analyses, such as massacres by hundreds of members of the Lord’s Resistance Army, and group attacks by soldiers, uniformed troops, paramilitry fighters, armed rebels, and terrorist organizations. 

https://econjwatch.org/articles/confirmation-that-the-united-states-has-six-times-its-global-share-of-public-mass-shooters-courtesy-of-lott-and-moody-s-data

Ullr Rover
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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Columbine.

Lott and Moody address their methodology. Lankford would not disclose his methodology when asked by Lott. It’s the very reason he did the study. To exclude some mass casualty events over others because they favor an agenda is manipulating the numbers to fit an agenda.

The Real Brian
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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

The point of my questions; guns are not available in almost all cases of hammer-cide.

https://listverse.com/2016/12/02/10-horrifying-hammer-homicides/

There are more households in the US that have 1 hammer, than households that have 1 gun. (Theres no exact data for that statement exactly, but its easy to surmise when reading gun ownership stats).

This would make hammers accessible to literally everybody with a home or near a home.

I doubt your 99% gun owner kill stat is true, but if it was any number at all, it would pale in comparison to the amount of hammer owners who have not killed.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Without stats the argument is moot, but I suspect the hammer to gun ratio is pretty close considering there are 1.6 guns for every person in the USA. I own quite a few different hammers, but I have more projectile weapons than hammers by a long shot.. no pun intended.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Your own link shows Lott also had an agenda.

Hence creating fake names online to support his statements.

Frankly I am not touting studies or stats. I’m not on a bandwagon.

I am just totally open to hear and discuss smart ideas.

But in the meantime I’m caught up rhetorically discussing the dangers of rebar and hammers to a society vs. mass gun murders.

I don’t see it.

Theres no comparison.

* Gun stats show that most gun ownership is concentrated.

3% of gun owners have 17 guns or more.

Spreading the numbers out across America puts guns with people when most dont own any guns at all.

Infact, less than 1/3 of Americans own guns.

That’s why my hammer per house ratio was accurate. Find me 1 house without a hammer!

Even my retired vegetarian mom has a hammer!

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Rebar is a red herring. The point of the stat with hammers is that if someone has an intent to do harm to someone they will find a way to do it with whatever tool is available.

Lott’s data was inclusive. Lankford’s data was exlusive. Based on Lankford’s remarks that you quoted he would exclude Columbine… but he didn’t. And neither did Lott… nor did Lott choose to exclude the other shootings with multiple shooters as Lankford did.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Mike

The Second Amendment is my “Permit”.

Why, oh WHY, would any thinking one of We, the People, come in here and tell us about what arms we can bear? Geesh!

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
4 years ago

What is wrong with everybody? First Willie says that (gasp) some folks actually wanna get high on pot ?!? and now Gov. Cheese says that all liberals hate guns! Is Mercury retrograde again. WTF?

Sparkelmahn
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Sparkelmahn
4 years ago

Liberals might, but us radicals LOVE weaponry of ALL kinds!

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Government Cheese
4 years ago
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Liberals sip decaf lattes with there legs crossed at Starbucks.Radicals drink black coffee while running around getting there kids to school and ready to go pound re-bar into the ground! Good morning kym! I’m drinking coffee! PS. Never trust a man who talks to you with his legs crossed…. cowboy life rule #32

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Sparkelmahn

~we may love our weaponry …but pray we don’t have to use them.

Farce
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Farce
4 years ago

So many guns all the time and yet no grower is ever shooting at the police? I’m starting to think that the sheriff is proving the opposite of what he claims! Maybe weed growers are exceptionally reserved in their gun use and are actually quite safe…Maybe we should be supplying more growers with more guns to make it more safe around here?

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Rod Gass
4 years ago
Reply to  Farce

Farce,

I embrace your feelings, but am repelled by the introduction of spent gunpowder odors into a cannabis discussion. I know you’re being deliberate in the extreme. That’s OK but, not possible. Peace, love and humanity don’t want guns.

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
4 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

Oh, really? OK, here comes something I have not said in years, but the ripple in The Force is just too great. As my old Irish hunting mentor James Dunaway once said: You can go there today without guns because somebody went there before you with guns. Sorry. Pop goes the bubble.

This in no way is an excuse for the extermination of native tribes and wildlife. But traveling in an uncharted wilderness without weapons is a non-starter. OK, Johnny Appleseed, but that’s rare. He was nuts, but the apple tree idea was cool.

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Mee
4 years ago

California needs to make it legal with very little regulation except enviromental concerns the same as any other crop like hay or corn then the.price will. Bottom out and you idiots will have to get a real job and pay taxes.like the rest of us. The pot industry is about money and greed that is why so many people die over it every year. Quit whining and grow up. You chose to break the law suffer the consequences.

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Legallettuce
4 years ago
Reply to  Mee

More one size fits all solutions from the herd. It is not about money and greed to some. Yep, we make money this is true. Yep, we avoid federal taxes and some state taxes. Breaking the law though I disagree. We are challenging the laws which is our right under the constitution. Your government lied, has lied and still is lying to we the people.

Mee
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Mee
4 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

You still drive on roads paid for by tax dollars. You reap the benefits of those that pay taxes yet think you do not have to pay your share. California and the feds over tax and over regulate but that does not mean you have the right not to pay like the rest of us, and to shoot people because they want your crop of plants people get high with. THC pills have been legal for years at the federal level for pain yet no one wants those. Wish I had the money I would plat male plats thorough humboldt to pollinate all the female plats growers are so fond of. No I am tired of all the excuses and bullshit I have heard it all since I was a kid. I have also seen so many frineds famliy and neighbors destroy thir lives in so many diffrent ways because of ot and the business arouund it. I even have a relative that was murdered because of it so ply your crap at someone else I am not buying the holyer than the govenment crap. You chose to be a criminal so quit whining.

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Legallettuce
4 years ago
Reply to  Mee

Yep, I drive on those roads, Alderpoint, so your point is moot. Irritated over me not being taxed then remove my risk and let me sell worldwide. I am a criminal remember and been one for a very long time. The federal government is responsible for those lives destroyed because of lies not us.

Just talked to a close friend I grew up with about those lost because the government declared a war on people who grow a plant. Only a few of us alive and I am the only one still in Humboldt. The plant never killed anyone and the people have wanted the plant. Are you even paying attention to what is happening. It’s projected to be worth 384 billion dollars annually that plant. There is your reason the details I am sure you know from being born here and if anything I hope no one in the future has to go through.

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Rod Gass
4 years ago
Reply to  Legallettuce

Now, we’re on the same page, LL.

If not for ourselves, but for the future. I think we’re, sadly, being subjected to the worst ever in history, anti-cannabis proliferation by those who can’t understand our herb.

I’m slowly but surely recognizing the disconnect.

I think it’s about god. The honest to goodness belief where cannabis is good for some of us, and despised by some others. It’s deep.

If science were to analyze the reasons for prohibition, I doubt there would be a consensus as to the justification of irrational behaviors by those who are lacking in human evolution. Cannabis is a part of humanity, always will be.

Why make criminals of us who aren’t in the wrong?

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Legallettuce
4 years ago
Reply to  Rod Gass

Keep fighting on brother, never forget the past and challenge that future. Let them smell that fine Humboldt herb. Just grow, even if it is only 6 that is how we win. Blessings.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Mee

You pay taxes for roads everytime you buy fuel.

tax payer
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tax payer
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

isnt that also the argument to let illegals vote

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  tax payer

I don’t know. It’s the counter-argument against the “you use roads so you should pay taxes….” Unless you have access to black market fuel, if you’re driving you’re paying taxes for the roads.

And, as a tax, it makes sense. “Use taxes” make sense, income and property taxes are blatant theft.

Truthwillunfold
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4 years ago
Reply to  Mee

We probably pay more tax than you and you are putting words in our mouth

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
4 years ago
Reply to  Mee

Back in the day, growers found ways to contribute to the community, Sometimes with cash donations to, say, the VFD, or through a fake business tax filing. Yes, money going to the IRS. Property taxes must be paid or you get notices and visits. Ditto sales taxes. Can’t avoid it. thing is, if you donate to watershed rehab or whatnot, you can’t do a grip-and-grin check ceremony from the local marijuana co-op. Not then, anyway. There was corruption and violence during alcohol Prohibition. Blaming the plant for stupid human laws seems unfair.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago

Agree. Except for the property taxes must be paid or you get notices and visits. I have a 10-year stack of Notices. And, yes, it’s all coming to a head at the same time.

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
4 years ago
Reply to  Mee

So, it’s not a REAL job like hay and corn. Wow. Gotta be a solar flare. retrograde Mercury is not strong enough.. Something. We don’t care if the corn and hay guy is diverting water., using chemicals, or killing wildlife. OK. Got it. Whoooooo – eeeeee. Get a real job. Oh, man.

Sparkelmahn
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Sparkelmahn
4 years ago

Yeah: push a pencil across paper like some lame banker or real estate agent.

Dan
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Dan
4 years ago

How can I go about purchasing some of those guns?

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
4 years ago
Reply to  Dan

No photos of the guns! Can’t believe it. We could do on-line appraisals and stuff. What is going on? I asked the neighbor if he felt OK and he asked: Do I know you?

(apologies to comedian Stephen Wright, I think)

Idiots make idiot laws
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Idiots make idiot laws
4 years ago

You can’t defend your family’s life and your own life with a firearm against criminals who themselves have firearms and break into your home to assault you, tie you up, and steal your shit.

But call the cops because hiding in your closet while the criminals shoot your dog and the cops take 20 minutes to access your 4wd only road to your remotely located home is waaaaay safer than defending your life with a gun.

Right guys? …right?

Anti-firearm laws are unsafe and not only are these laws unconstitutional, they are also unconstitutional.

shak
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shak
4 years ago

But, on the brighter side of things. When the unconstitutional ‘law’ abiding citizens who gave up part of their rights for a little bit of ‘peace’, will soon become the True Outlaws that can have them ‘legally’ because it’s not ‘legal’. Ha! Gotta love a happy boomerang.

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
4 years ago

Not a lawyer, but I think you can defend yourself in your home, I would. Buy an hour with a real lawyer and clear the air. Detox from right wing media.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago

Lemmie think, can i defend myself in my home -or elsewhere? Let’s ask an Atturn. Pfft!

~when you learn from lawyers, you learn deceit PERIOD

Whatever you do, Do Not read the Constitution, Bill of Rights, or Declaration of Independence. Instead, keep repeating the same thing, expecting a different result. <<Einstein.

Gene Ralno
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Gene Ralno
4 years ago

I’m wondering if law enforcement also confiscated cars, garden tools, sharp kitchen utensils, barbecue fuel and so on.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Gene Ralno

LEGAL Enforcement. Is everybody stone deaf?

Law officers, on the land, in the Republic, upholding their Oath to the Suprememe Law of the LAND, do not steal from the people.

We the corparation,by the corporation, in corruption we stand
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We the corparation,by the corporation, in corruption we stand
4 years ago

Elections are coming we have the opportunity to change things in a few months! Make sure too go vote people every one counts

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
4 years ago

. . . . .6 arrests and a partridge in a pear tree. So where are the gun pics? What kind of a tease is that? Now the rifleros and pistoleros have nothing to analyze and oooh and ahhh over. Or criticize. Darn it. What a letdown.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago

~yep. We’re being dis-armed. What a surprise …as history repeats itself.

SmallFry
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SmallFry
4 years ago

Seriously there are lions, tweakers and bears..in these woods.. is it any surprise that hill farmers are armed? What are they gonna confiscate next.. my pit bull?