10-Year Project Returns Ancestral Lands to Yurok Tribe and Conserves Blue Creek

This is a press release from the Yurok Tribe:

Collaborative project leads to the permanent protection of Blue Creek, which the Yurok Tribe is turning into a Salmon Sanctuary and old-growth forest. Blue Creek, a cold-water refuge, is one of the most important Klamath River tributaries in terms of salmon population health.

On Monday, August 19, the Yurok Tribe, Green Diamond Resource Company and Western Rivers Conservancy will celebrate a decade-long, hard-won effort to preserve and place into tribal ownership approximately 50,000 acres of forest surrounding four salmon sustaining streams, including Blue Creek.

“It is a good day for the Yurok people,” said Joseph L. James, the Chairman of the Yurok Tribe. “On behalf of the Yurok Tribe, I would like thank Green Diamond and Western Rivers for assisting us in the reacquisition of a significant part of our ancestral territory and putting us in a position to permanently protect the Blue Creek watershed, which is the crown jewel of the Klamath River. These organizations have stood by us every step of the way during this 10-year project.”

Green Diamond Vice President and General Manager, Jason Carlson reflected on the process to achieve the land transfer: “Over 15 years ago Green Diamond VP, Neal Ewald and Tribal representatives, including past Council Chairs Sue Masten and Thomas O’Rourke, and Executive Director Troy Fletcher discussed the concept of the Tribe acquiring our timberlands on the east side of the Klamath from Blue Creek upriver to the confluence with the Trinity. We had previously worked with Western Rivers Conservancy on the Goose Creek – US Forest Service transaction and knew they could help secure conservation and funding partners. We are very pleased to see the successful completion of this multi-phase, multi-year project that culminated with the transfer of the Blue Creek drainage. These lands provide the Tribe a nearly continuous ownership that can be managed as a working forest and for the cultural resources that are vital to the Yurok people.”

“This is a historic and joyous moment,” said Western Rivers Conservancy President, Sue Doroff. “The Yurok Tribe has been reunited with Blue Creek, and we have finally ensured that this all-important tributary of the Klamath River will forever remain a source of cold, clean water and a refuge for the incredible fish and wildlife that depend on it.”

In 2006, the two organizations and the Tribe formed a partnership whose primary objectives were to facilitate the transfer of the land to the Tribe and conserve Blue Creek, the lifeline of the Klamath River. During this period, Green Diamond and Western Rivers Conservancy held the land while the Yurok Tribe and Western Rivers Conservancy pursued funds for the acquisition. Financial support was secured from myriad sources, including: funds from the Hoopa-Yurok Settlement Act; the New Market Tax Credits program; The Kendeda Fund; the David and Lucile Packard Foundation; the Wyss Foundation; National Fish and Wildlife Foundation/Acres for America and Walmart Stores, Inc.; Wildlife Conservation Board; California Coastal Conservancy; other private, state and federal grants; loans from the California State Water Quality Control Board and Indian Land Capital Company; and the sale of carbon offsets.

In addition to Blue Creek, parcels in the Pecwan, Ke’pel and Weitchpec Creek drainages are included in the project. The latter three properties will become part of the Tribe’s Community Forest. The Tribe plans to manage the lands to support native wildlife in addition to the production of a wide variety of traditional foods and basket-weaving materials. The acquisition contributes to the Yurok Tribe’s efforts to increase resiliency to climate change through carbon sequestration and sustainable forest management.

Western Rivers Conservancy was originally drawn to the project because of Blue Creek’s critical importance to the Klamath River system and the greater Klamath-Siskiyou ecoregion. Because the organization shared the Tribe’s conservation vision for the stream and knew that conservation lies at the heart of the Yurok tribal constitution, it knew the Tribe would make the ideal partner.

The Tribe is restoring approximately 15,000 acres in Blue Creek into an old-growth forest and a Salmon Sanctuary. Blue Creek is one of the most important Klamath River tributaries, providing a critical thermal refuge area for migrating salmon as well as forest habitat for sensitive wildlife species. During the fall Chinook salmon run, the water at the mouth of the creek can be 20 degrees cooler than the main-stem of the river. In most years, thousands of fish, stressed by dam-warmed water temperatures, rest and recharge below Blue Creek in order to make it to the upriver spawning grounds in a healthy condition.

Yurok biologists, foresters and cultural experts are nearly finished with a comprehensive plan to create the one-of-its-kind Salmon Sanctuary. Containing a Yurok-specific blend of Traditional Knowledge and western science, the Blue Creek Interim Management Plan aims to enhance forest and aquatic habitats to bolster fish populations and improve the watershed’s already exceptional biological diversity. The long-term blueprint will guide the restoration of habitat for endangered species including coho salmon, marbled murrelet, northern spotted owl and Humboldt marten, along with other culturally important fish and mammals such as Chinook salmon, black-tailed deer, and Roosevelt elk. The Management Plan includes a comprehensive, hypothesis-based monitoring and assessment plan component that will inform the adaptive management of the innovative reserve for many centuries to come.

Additional funding for the Blue Creek Salmon Sanctuary and Yurok Tribal Community Forest was made possible through generous contributions from multiple sources, including the Aveda Corporation, L. P. Brown Foundation, California Coastal Conservancy, California Department of Fish and Wildlife, California Wildlife Conservation Board, Compton Foundation, Flora Family Foundation, Foundation for Sustainability and Innovation, Lisa and Douglas Goldman Fund, Betsy Jewett and Rick Gill, George F. Jewett Foundation, The Tim and Karen Hixon Foundation, The Kendeda Fund, Nancy Kittle, The Joseph and Vera Long Foundation, Giles W. and Elise G. Mead Foundation, National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, National Fish and Wildlife Foundation/Acres for America and Walmart Stores, Inc., Natural Resources Conservation Service, the David and Lucile Packard Foundation, Recourses Legacy Fund, State of California’s Environmental Enhancement and Mitigation Program, Mark Umeda, U.S. Endowment for Forestry and Communities, Inc., U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, U.S. Forest Service,  Bureau of Land Management, the Weeden Foundation, the Wyss Foundation, and with the generous support of many additional individuals, foundations and businesses.

 

This project has been funded wholly or in part by the United States Environmental Protection Agency under assistance agreement 83590301 to the U.S. Endowment for Forestry and Communities. The contents of this document do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Environmental Protection Agency, nor does the EPA endorse trade names or recommend the use of commercial products mentioned in this document.

 

The U.S. Endowment for Forestry and Communities, Inc. (the “Endowment”) is a not-for-profit corporation that works collaboratively with partners in the public and private sectors to advance systemic, transformative and sustainable change for the health and vitality of the nation’s working forests and forest-reliant communities.

 

The views and conclusions contained in this document are those of the authors and should not be interpreted as representing the opinions or policies of the U.S. Government or the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation. Mention of trade names or commercial products does not constitute their endorsement by the U.S. Government or the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation.”

 

The views and conclusions contained in this document are those of the authors and should not be interpreted as representing the opinions of the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation or its funding sources. Mention of trade names or commercial products does not constitute their endorsement by the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation or its funding sources. 

Celebration details:

When: Monday, August 19 at 10 am

 

Where: Yurok Headquarters, located at 190 Klamath Boulevard

Agenda:

10am – Welcome ceremony at Yurok Tribal Headquarters in Klamath – Opening prayer, recognitions and refreshments

Speakers:

•           Joseph L. James, Chairman, Yurok Tribe

•           Bill Brown, Board of Directors, Western Rivers Conservancy

•           Jason Carlson, Vice President and General Manger, Green Diamond Resource Company

12:30am – Scenic 16-mile ride up the Klamath River to Blue Creek

1:30pm – Cultural Event at Mouth of Blue Creek

3:00pm – Return to Klamath

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Willie Caos-mayham
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4 years ago

🕯🌳Good morning Oliver and thank you for this information it’s welcomed news to the tribes I’m sure.👍🏽🖖

jojo
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jojo
4 years ago

More land locked up and given to the government. The tribes don’t actually own the land. The tribes themselves are entitys that are owned by the federal government.

The tribes are just used as a token to take more resource lands and make them off limits.

UN Agenda 21 at work!

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
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So, Green Diamond is part of the UN conspiracy?

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Green Diamond probably would have sold the land to anyone once the government set rules about the area that could be logged, being that they got money in exchange for land they were barred from using.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
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Yes, I’m pretty sure this was a straight forward exchange of useless land for GD that allowed the Yuroks to expand their holdings.

(Edit: maybe not “straight forward” given all the various bureacracies involved, but the intent seems clear.)

This is weird statement: “The Tribe is restoring approximately 15,000 acres in Blue Creek into an old-growth forest and a Salmon Sanctuary. ”

How does a human go about restoring an are “…into and old-growth forest…”? Have the Yurok’s figured something out that previously only the domain of time and Mother Earth?

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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~i think someone in here posted this before ?

One Man’s Mission to Revive the Last Redwood Forests | Short Film Showcase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW9w6eCQQkU 10 mins. May 2016

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

Driving is a privilege.

Sid Vicious
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Sid Vicious
4 years ago
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Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

They are the beneficiary

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  jojo

Agenda 21 was signed by American Pres #41, GW Bush.

Not a law, just ideas to work towards.

But be a slave – to your own invented paradigm all you want.

Hey, I wonder why the Agenda 21 space laser beam planes are taking a break this year from burning our state.

Oh ya. Because that’s a delusion.

And mentally-incabapables are given platforms online to spew their invented conspiracy dramas.

Apparently those who have the least control over their lives are more probable to believe outright conspiracy delusions.

Good luck jojo.

Mike
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Mike
4 years ago
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Conspiracy theory aside, she has a point. Isn’t almost all reservation land controlled through some form of a trust by the federal government and the tribe doesn’t actually own it? I’m curious if that is or isn’t the case here. And the laser planes were called off by hiliary to help kill Epstein. Duh

Sparkelmahn
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Sparkelmahn
4 years ago
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And trump was sent by Satan to destroy the world.

Mike
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Mike
4 years ago
Reply to  Sparkelmahn

Or to nail pornstars. I mean whatever, as long as your focused on your goals in life.

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
4 years ago
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Well, he ain’t no tool of God unless your god is very messed up. Hey, that’s IT! The Book of Job is right! God is messed up! That explains everything. Right here on RHHB!

Sid Vicious
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Sid Vicious
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

5G

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
Reply to  Sid Vicious

Lol.

Matrix illuminati imagery.

Lol.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  Sid Vicious

Interesting patent…. along with to whom it was issued: Hendricus G. Loos. Apparently a pseudonym with quite a few patents issued to ‘him’.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US6506148B2/en

Sid Vicious
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Sid Vicious
4 years ago
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I went to school with a couple of Loos boys. Incredibly bright kids, and their dad work for some of the defense contracting firms in town, as did many parents of my friends.

His name wasn’t Henry, though. 🤔

Lots of dinner talk that you wouldn’t believe over 30 years ago, can’t imagine what they are working on now, if this is finally making its way public.

Sid Vicious
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Sid Vicious
4 years ago
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https://fightingmonarch.com/2018/05/06/patents-for-mind-control-technology/

There’s a list of over 100 patents that deal with the area of mind control and manipulation on this link alone.

https://www.citizen.org/news/outrage-of-the-month-unethical-human-experimentation-in-2015-and-our-broken-system-for-protecting-human-research-subjects/

https://www.bestpsychologydegrees.com/30-most-disturbing-human-experiments-in-history/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

It’s worth noting that the mind has been the focus of people looking for a way to program and reprogram and deprogram.

Has Agenda 21 affected you?

Who knows…

Has any of this research and it’s rollout on the public?

Most likely.

Is it possible to file this away as a conspiracy theory?

ONLY AT OUR EXPENSE.

Namaste

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

Brian, I have no idea if Agenda 21 is what either ‘side’ claim it is, but don’t you think, that in an economic system based on infinite growth, pushed against a planet with finite resources, with a growing number of consumers, that the powers-that-be at some point will be concerned that the human population will become unstable in its want to consume more and more; eventually threatening the power base from which 1% of the world’s population operates?

Mark Twain — ‘Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.’

Are you more comfortable with the idea that we are ‘imbecile ‘ monkeys stumbling into the future without a plan, or that there is a controlling elite who are manipulating humanity with the idea of ‘the greater good’ while, ultimately, securing their own interests?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
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..that in an economic system based on infinite growth, pushed against a planet with finite resources, with a growing number of consumers, that the powers-that-be at some point will be concerned that the human population will become unstable in its want to consume more and more

This is a concern. That is why sustainable living is becoming ever more important. I dont think Humans will be bound to Earth in the future. Hopefully we can keep it as a nice place to visit, though.

eventually threatening the power base from which 1% of the world’s population operates?

This is not a concern. There is no evidence this is happening, will happen or could happen.

The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.

Taxing the shit out of some of these people is more a threat to them, but theres not support for taxing in the right wing coalitions.

Mark Twains words dont resonate with me. So I have no response to your second question.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
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You don’t think that the 1%ers are the ones writing tax laws? Also, when you’re that rich I doubt that more money has any motivation at all. Power corrupts and that is what they want, power. Once the plebs reach a point where they are eating into the resources the 1%ers use I think we are very much a threat.

“The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.” This a meme that doesn’t hold true. Certainly the stratification of wealth has increased, but the fact is more people are out of poverty, and have moved from poverty, than at any point in the history of the world.

https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
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No, I dont think the 1% are writing tax laws to tax themselves harder and distribute their wealth socially into Government programs.

How has Agenda 21 affected you?

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
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Of course they’re not writing the tax laws to tax themselves. They are writing tax laws to exempt themselves. You don’t seem to be clear on the concept.

I can’t say that Agenda 21 has affected me at all.

But you seem to be missing the point. If you are a person (or a group of people) in power wouldn’t you do everything you can to retain that power for yourself and for your progeny?

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
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Of course they’re not writing the tax laws to tax themselves. They are writing tax laws to exempt themselves. You don’t seem to be clear on the concept.

No, I’m not getting it.

My impression before, and after further reading, seems to be that uber-wealthy use loopholes in the tax code to their advantage.

It’s an important distinction from your point, which implies grandiose control of an incredibly complex tax system regulated by Government and law.

Buffet, Kochs, Gates, etc, none of them write tax codes.

One of many articles on the subject;

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/02/21/here-are-5-ways-the-super-rich-manage-to-pay-lower-taxes.html

But you seem to be missing the point. If you are a person (or a group of people) in power wouldn’t you do everything you can to retain that power for yourself and for your progeny?

Again, this implies a whole lot.

I’m sure most people enjoy their power and wealth. No one wants to lose it.

And I doubt any of them feel threatened of losing it, by most measures.

Sid Vicious
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Sid Vicious
4 years ago
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http://fluoridedangers.blogspot.com/2009/10/pres-obamas-science-czar-on.html?m=1

“And I doubt any of them feel threatened of losing it, by most measures.”

So, then, what makes you so sure that you aren’t feeling threatened by ideas that challenge your belief system.

I do appreciate your tenacity, I just think you focused in the wrong direction.

Guest
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4 years ago
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One man’s loopholes are another man’s avoidance. We all- everyone of that can find one- try to avoid paying taxes we are not forced to pay, whether is a mortgage exception, child care credit, claiming a dependent, social security exclusion, etc. The more complex the finances, the more opportunity to manage money to avoid taxes.

If the law was written the way some people insist, it would simply say “screw you, pay up” according to the wants of the person complaining about loopholes. But that’s hardly going to be a rule that is acceptable to anyone because “screw you” as a principle of law is a two edged sword with a knife blade for a handle. It not only hurts coming and going but also hurts the person trying to use it- something that all ad hominem arguers fail to see. The more you press people to the wall, the more effort they put into escaping and the more likely they will be successful. And rich people can afford a lot of effort.

Sid Vicious
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Sid Vicious
4 years ago
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Mr Rover.

There’s an informative talk on the rings of power, by G Edward Griffin, the author of “The creature from jekyll island”.

It makes you understand the concept of plausible deniability.

Glen
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Glen
4 years ago
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“Off limits” meaning what, exactly?

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
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jojo,

Confronting Agenda 21 -local (there’s 3 parts. This is part 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEqCys9M4sY 20 mins. September 19, 2012

~wondering if you listen Saturday mornings to a broadcast out of Redding? A decade. Ten Years …laying pearls before the swine?

Nothing no one wants to hear. But needs to hear. I listened to this one once. When its about animals, i can’t bring myself to hear it again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQBYfGw-qdQ&feature=em-uploademail

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4 years ago
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Instead of repeating others opinions, read for yourself. https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf

“Moreover, improved market access for developing countries’ exports in conjunction with sound macroeconomic and environmental policies would have a positive environmental impact and therefore make an important contribution towards sustainable development.” In other words- NAFTA to start, onwards. (https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements )

“The United States, Canada and Mexico have agreed that the information exchanged in the context of the NAFTA negotiations, such as the negotiating text, proposals of each Government, accompanying explanatory material, and emails related to the substance of the negotiations, must remain confidential. Pursuant to this agreement, USTR has classified the materials. This means that they are not available under the Freedom of Information Act. To review the confidentiality agreement, please click here. ”

It is no surprise with the UN Agreement heavily referencing the obligations to “developing countries” and the secrecy regarding the negotiations and the resulting trade imbalances (https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/balance-of-trade. Notice who we have treaties with and who has negative trade balances) that conspiracy theories revolve around Agenda 21. Just about every trade agreement negotiated in the last 40 years or so has created a loss for thecUS and a gain for the other countries signing the agreement. Who has been hurt by this policy? American workers. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/ These polices ARE what has made the rich, richer.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
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From your PEW link:

Wage stagnation has been a subject of much economic analysis and commentary, though perhaps predictably there’s little agreement about what’s causing it (or, indeed, whether the BLS data adequately capture what’s going on).

One theory is that rising benefit costs – particularly employer-provided health insurance – may be constraining employers’ ability or willingness to raise cash wages.

According to BLS-generated compensation cost indices, total benefit costs for all civilian workers have risen an inflation-adjusted 22.5% since 2001 (when the data series began), versus 5.3% for wage and salary costs.

Other factors that have been suggested include the continuing decline of labor unions; lagging educational attainmentrelative to other countries; noncompete clauses and other restrictions on job-switching; a large pool of potential workers who are outside the formally defined labor force, neither employed nor seeking work; and broad employment declines in manufacturing and production sectors and a consequent shift toward job growth in low-wage industries.

So, it seems that your conclusion is not the consensus.

Data from Ullr’s link earlier suggests that the rich get richer, but the poor are not becoming poorer. At least for the last 3 decades, mostly.

During the first half of the last century, the growth of the world population caused the absolute number of extremely poor people in the world to increase, even though the share of people in extreme poverty was going down. After around 1970, the decrease in poverty rates became so steep that the absolute number of people living in extreme poverty started falling as well. This trend of decreasing poverty—both in absolute numbers and as a share of the world population—has been a constant during the last three decades. But as we highlight in the first section of this entry it is unfortunately not what we can expect for the coming decade. It is the fact that still almost every tenth person lives in extreme poverty and the slowing progress against extreme poverty that motivate this entry.

https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty

So, how has Agenda 21 affected you?

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Kym Kemp
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4 years ago
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Brian, stick to arguing the facts, please. The last part was pushing it.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
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Please feel free to edit it. I would, but I missed the time for it (after your warning) due to moderation.

Sorry

Sid Vicious
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Sid Vicious
4 years ago
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You could say the same thing about how had the threat of Hitler affected people in the United States, how had the rise of Stalin the Soviet Union affected the United states. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc

Is this the PR firm for the US military industrial complex?

I think the passing of Prop 64 was a big step in the regulatory arm that people in the triangle have become more aware of, than maybe someone who lives the city, away from rural areas.

Does this have anything to do with the public private partnership that is behind the programs( formerly) known as A21?

It’s a good question, and worth knowing what these programs goals are…do they just
have a local impact or do they deal with regional, state, and Federal agencies and what are the short and long term goals.

Do they conflict with the people they are suppose to represent?

Guest
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4 years ago
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It’s no reasonable argument to say that there is less money to pay additional wages because benefits cost more. Of course that’s true. That was part of the point about sending jobs to places where such expenses are not a burden to businesses. If work is tranferred in a place where health care, unemployment/worker’s compenation, require leave guarantees, environmental requirements less, etc, etc, etc is not required, then businesses can create a product cheaper and will get more business. The poor suckers left where those expenses are required will tend go out of business. In order to compete, they certainly will not add to expenses by paying higher wages and will probably look to outsource what they can to places that are not so burdened.

All the things you chose to adopt as reasons are not reasons but results only examined in the absence of considering foreign influence. If businesses can outsource because its cheaper, labor unions lose power. Manufacturing has not disappeared- it’s just moved, leaving only low paying, labor intensive jobs that can’t be moved- and even those business do better to import rather than make in house at greater cost. Everything costs more to make than to import. Which is actually damaging to the idea of sustainability but that’s another argument. Altogether stupid negotiating of free markets with little requirements from other countries at the same time while ignoring legislated costs has left the American worker at a huge disadvantage. Businesses can only avoid these costs by moving what they can overseas. They will do it until the US worker can no longer scrape up enough from their labor to pay for imported goods.

Guest
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4 years ago
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Of course by that time, worker’s in the US will have become much poorer while worker’s in places not so stupid as to not protect their people will have become richer. Agenda 21’s goal of equalizing income will be closer by making Americans poorer. And America will have lost much of its power while China- having no compunction about wielding power (and tolerating no negativity from its citizens) to advantage China- will enforce it territorial expansion. Such incredible stupidity should make Americans angry.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
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It seems like your making a case for industrialization-era work conditions in the US again.

No benefits, no unions, child labor, low wages, dirty conditions, unsafe workspaces, lack of regulations creating a waste and pollution for future generations to live with.

Yes, its cheaper for a business to operate with little or no concern for anything.

And that, thankfully, is not where we are at.

Developing countries are.

It’s a burden to be #1.

It’s a burden to be at the bottom.

The idea of America being an isolationist Country is not likely.

Guest
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4 years ago
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Nonsense. I’m making a case for not negotiating treaties that benefit other countries who have no such burdens to the disadvantage of those who do. What US government negotiators did was give breaks to countries to export to US goods that were able to be produced so much cheaper than the US could produce them after paying all the regulatory expenses that same government imposed on domestic producers only.

If you read the quote, it was the”in conjunction with sound macroeconomic and environmental policies ” part that the various US administrations neglected in order get a treaty from those signatories who would complain about agreeing to anything that “interfered with their sovereignty” . There sovereignty was considered while the US negotiators arrogantly though themselve immune from that issue. The Republicans saw dollar signs from the advantages of using cheap foreign labor while the Democrats preened themselves over their englighted world view in gaining new markets without thinking dollar signs mattered. Neither cared for the well being of their working citizens. We were screwed year after year after year. And apparently too many people are still mystified how we got to be in a place where workers have trouble affording housing. Because they keep saying to wave the magic wand and take the money from the people who profited by this political stupidity to give to the people they screwed over. Well, good luck locking the barn door 40 years after the horse left. Companies made their businesses fairly proof against the US making demands because they can pick and choose whose rule they live under. If they object and can’t lobby their way out, they just create “headquarters” elsewhere and send their money there to be protected.

The Real Brian
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The Real Brian
4 years ago
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Between 1993 and 2018, trade between the three members quadrupled from $297 billion to $1.23 trillion. That boosted economic growth, profits, and jobs for all three countries. It also lowered prices for consumers. 

During that time, the United States increased its exports of goods to the other two from $142 billion to $564 billion. That’s 34% of its total exports, making Canada and Mexico its top two export markets. It shipped $299 billion to Canada and $265 billion to Mexico.

U.S. imports from its NAFTA partners were $665 billion. That’s 26% of total U.S. imports. It’s also more than triple the $151 billion imported in 1993. Mexico shipped $346 billion to the United States and Canada shipped $319 billion.

https://www.thebalance.com/advantages-of-nafta-3306271

Damn Agenda 21!

Quadrupling our trade.

More jobs in America maybe spread the pay out, making it seem like we were getting less.

When in fact more of us were getting more than ever before.

Guest
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4 years ago
Reply to  The Real Brian

I haven’t got time right now to be detailed but it’s a whole lot more than the volume of trade. For a fast example, a country sells trees that employed 10 people to harvest and get to the ship may be worth a million dollars export paid to the owner of the trees, who is enriched, does not have the same value to the labor force as a bunch of manufactured widgets it took 20 people to make, even though that product may sell for the same million dollars showing up in the trade balance. A case of the rich getting richer, the poor not getting the benefit, especially as intellectual property (payments for patented technology) is the one aspect that keeps the US from a much bigger trade disaster and that money tends to go more to investors than workers.

Also ” After 2015, however, travel services became the main contributor of the surplus, surpassing the surplus of payments for intellectual property rights. A key factor of this trend has been trade in health travel services (that is, “medical tourism”), reflecting an increase of travelers coming to the U.S. in search of the high-quality services of the U.S. health system, despite its rising costs.3 In 2016, the trade surplus in travel services was $67.9 billion.” And that also puts Americans in competition for medical care and its increasing costs.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2017/june/us-trade-deficit-driven-goods-services.

This is not as simple as volume.

Sid Vicious
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Sid Vicious
4 years ago
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(In response to Guest.)

I was always reminded of the tax rate of people who trade their time fit for money versus the people who make money on investments.

The amount that you owe from investment income vs the amount you owe from wages from labor is the easiest example of the difference between the working class and the investment class.

Billy Casomorphin
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Billy Casomorphin
4 years ago
Reply to  jojo

Uh, the native population was here first, and the entire country was essentially stolen from them! A large proportion of the original population of this continent was systematically exterminated, man, woman, child… It’s not a “plot” Jojo, and I’m not just making this up.

Wake up girl, it’s not all about you and your pot farm…

Congratulations to the Yurok tribe!

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago

If you feel that you are living on stolen land, are you planning to turn it back to native tribes and move to wherever your ancestors came from? That would be the honest thing to do.

If course, if you want go push it back even further, at the time of the first humans, this area was under water, occupied by fish. That happened a number of times- underwater, above water. I wonder what the date should be set decided that being here means first and everyone else who came later stole the land. Maybe we should set the date of absolute primacy as 1843; that works for me. But the first occupants of what was later called California might have been Neanderthals (or Denisovans,) which makes them relatives of of Europeans. Maybe the earliest immigrants here were Polynesian.

Jesus, Chris
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Jesus, Chris
4 years ago
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Let’s see, you compared the Native Americans to – fish?

I always enjoy your odd but charmingly strange statements…

I wonder what the settlers would owe in 2020 dollars per acre, and for the livestock (range animals) and natural resources which the settlers just took…

The continent is permanently changed, just as the County of Humboldt has been changed, by all the people who came here to rape the environment to grow – marijuana, which is a non-essential ingredient of a healthy diet…

I guess folks like you think of non-smoker/non-growers as being the same as – fish…

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago
Reply to  Jesus, Chris

I think to be here means not swimming morning, noon and night. But you didn’t say whether you’re staying or going.

Sid the Sheep Dog
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Sid the Sheep Dog
4 years ago
Reply to  Jesus, Chris

You do realize that Native Americans weren’t magically birthed in the Grand Canyon, right?

This whole world is a chess game and if we refuse to figure out why humans do what they do, we may always be trapped in the narrow mindset of history as we were schooled.

The Big Lie isn’t just a comic book, it’s an umbrella company for all priest class who steer the congregation.

The Grand Chessboard.

Taurus Ballzhoff
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Taurus Ballzhoff
4 years ago

Ever stranger and more charming…
Here’s what I do know: if you murder a lot of people, the survivors don’t forget…

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago

True. However I have never personally murdered any human. I have guilt over killing slugs and rats. I’d like to say I’m the descendent of conquerors but I fear I’m probably the decendent of the conquerors’ maids, field hands and previously conquered people.

Although there reached a point where murder describes what was done to native americans, it would take a fool to miss that native americans murdered too, as long as they could carry on. Even slaughtering women and children in the exact same way that the Indian Island massacre took place. They were defending their place from invaders (hmm… Reminds me of the current idiocy regarding one world open borders) but it was just as brutal, enlightened on occasion with great souls, but usually not, as any politically correct modern assigns to the Europeans.

None of that changes that now and insisting that some nonsensical paradise existed for which all white people must bear responsibility for destroying is foolish. De Facto coexistence is either the goal now or it’s back to war. As I have said, do you intend to leave because you have guilt over what some of your ancestors might have done or not done ? Or do you toughen up, stop guilting others to prove your moral superiority and recognize that you still derive benefit from the personal risks, sacrifices, endurance, cleverness and yes, bad behavior of your ancestors and you’re not about to give up the fruits of their efforts ?

Central HumCo
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4 years ago

“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.” –Denis Diderot (1713-1784). French philosopher and man of letters

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4 years ago
Reply to  Central HumCo

(Rude noise) And the most recent strangler becomes king in turn and creates a new priesthood to facilitate his rule. Napoleon was born 20 years after Diderot died. The French embraced him in order to end the chaos created by all the stranglers who found Diderot’s writings so encouraging.

Ullr Rover
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Ullr Rover
4 years ago
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One man’s revolutionary becomes the next man’s tyrant.

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Ullr Rover

~and on we trudge . . .

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
4 years ago
Reply to  Jesus, Chris

All the people who came here to grow Marijuana did not come to rape the land. Those that did still did a piss-poor job of it compared to unregulated, rip-off logging of the ‘40’s and ‘50’s. DFW still has the pics. Eel River’s fantastic anadromous fishery was destroyed by logging and subdivisions long before the hippies got here. Sorry to pop your bubble.

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago

They came to make money. And way too many, protected by others, didn’t care how they did it. Because someone did something else, doesn’t mean the rest of the world gets a free pass to do bad if they are just slightly less objectionable.

Chris Estrada
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Chris Estrada
4 years ago
Reply to  jojo

your a goof

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
4 years ago
Reply to  jojo

I was privileged to experience East Fork Blue Creek while on the Six Rivers spotted owl survey some years ago and it was magical. Native Rhododendrons and the only mountain lion I have ever seen. The water actually looked blue like Aqua Velva after-shave. What a joy to learn of this project and how appropriate it is!

How sad to learn of your bitter and hostile attitude toward our natural world that is constantly beset by over 7 billion human beings. Please remain open to the concept that “ locked up” is an attitude of contempt, hatred, vitriol and simply false information. “Locked up” from What? a subdivision? A Condominium? Do you have a paid spiritual adviser? A refund is in order; you are not well-served.

Willie Caos-mayham
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4 years ago

🕯🌳Why don’t we get someone from the One Nation to speak up and say what they feel about it?👍🏽

Really?
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Really?
4 years ago

And just who is the “we” that you refer to? And who is “One Nation?” You planning to arrange this baring of feelings ?

Willie Caos-mayham
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4 years ago
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🕯🌳There the people the land was stolen from in the beginning. By who?????Hmmmmmm

Perspective
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Perspective
4 years ago

The best fishing on that river

Liz
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Liz
4 years ago

Great news!

Humboldt Mom
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Humboldt Mom
4 years ago

Congratulations to the Yurok Tribe💛

Canyon oak
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Canyon oak
4 years ago

Blue creek is not the “crown jewel” of the Klamath river, it is one of many jewels along the Klamath. That said, this is a major accomplishment for the Yurok along the lower river.
Pay careful attention in the future as tribes begin to request ancestral territory from agencies like the forest service and BLM. Progressives and corporations will be happy to oblige, as expected. This trend of score settling may be incremental, through shared management responsibilities, but eventually it will be easier for the U.S. to deed the thousands of square miles of public land back to the same tribes and casinos we are now helping to build up with federal and private money.
It’s so much easier to let another culture manage our decrepit nation..we certainly did it wrong for how long? And yes it’s true, they had it first, but I’d rather give it to who had it before they did.. but we don’t know who that was.. gotta love oral history

Felice Pace
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4 years ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

Return of ancestral lands to the original inhabitants is not “score settling” but rather plain and simple justice. I see no reason why the lower Klamath-Trinity tribes should not take over management of certain national forest ranger districts. They would have to follow the same laws as the Forest Service and I bet they would do a better job of it.

Now THAT would be practical decolonization.

In the case of Blue Creek it is also in the company’s interest since, because of the remote location, it will be hard to impossible to ever sell the second growth from those lands. Carbon credits are likely the only way the tribal government will benefit.

Folks might be interested in the history of this part of lower Blue Creek. It was part of the Six Rivers National Forest until the legislation that added land up Redwood Creek to the original Redwood National Park. In exchange for its mostly cut-over land in Redwood Creek with some Old Growth, Simpson Timber Company (now Green Diamond Resources) got a bunch of money and some of the best remaining Old Growth in Northern California: lower Blue Creek .

The company then liquidated the Old Growth and the second growth is too far out to be commercial timberland.

Still, I’m glad the Yurok Tribe got it and I wish them luck and success in the art of restoration.

Canyon oak
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4 years ago
Reply to  Felice Pace

Decolonization is not a objective for most people. I understand the logic and where it comes from.
I’d say it makes sense, but it’s pretty vindictive, and it is score settling.
Whose going to give up what they have? Most of us aren’t altruist anymore, I want more, not less.
A new philosophy of management could maybe accomplish the same objective, minus the native cultural/spiritual element..as decolonialism.
To be fair, I can admit how dumb it seems to have firefighters from Tennessee on the Klamath because it’s a federal gig, or fish biologists from Indiana on the Klamath just because they went to college.
The region should be worked by the people that grew up in it.
I didn’t know about that land swap..
Yes, there are always some sacrifices when that happens

Central HumCo
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4 years ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

~no thing is going to be accomplished without the cultural spiritual element. (perhaps i misunderstand what you’re saying here).

How about devolution? (1545) transference (as of rights, authority, responsibility) to another; esp. the surrender of p o w e r s to local authorities by a central government.

Or, demilitarize? (1883) to prohibit (as a zone or frontier area) from being used for military purposes.

Them is Us
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Them is Us
4 years ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

“Decolonization” happened when American Indians ceased to be “others” and became US citizens in 1924. Of course many American Indians already were citizens but citizenship became universal with The Indian Citizenship Act of 1924. Too bad, so sad, we’re all one big country whether we want it or not. Sovereign tribe or not. Too late to be moaning out that particular catch phrase now. As the Southern found out in 1861, once in always in.

Lost Croat Outburst
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Lost Croat Outburst
4 years ago
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WTF? Granting full U.S. citizenship to the original inhabitants was a bad thing? Destroying their culture, religion, language and taking their land; now that was bad.

Willie Caos-mayham
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4 years ago
Reply to  Canyon oak

🕯🌳The dinosaurs,or the ice age.🖖👍🏽🗿

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian
4 years ago

More millions spent with tax dollars to benefit few and make the owners of green diamond rich after they butchered all 50000 acres.

SmallFry
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SmallFry
4 years ago

I think this is truely Awsome, a win! It is a great day for the Yurok! Congratulations.. I hope to hear updates on restoration efforts! Mní Wičón