Concerned SoHum Residents Grill Sheriff Honsal, Director John Ford, and Supervisor Estelle Fennell About Recent Cannabis Developments
Sheriff Billy Honsal, Humboldt County Planning Director John Ford, Supervisor Estelle Fennell at today’s meeting. [Still from live video by Ryan Hutson of CLMP meeting]
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If you don’t grow pot, then what is the problem? You all sound like you have PTSD. I know some who have it, and it is a VERY REAL problem for them. Our law enforcement officer’s are only doing their job. Get a grip, and go home.
Tom was growing Veggies, Martin.
This is about a much deeper issue than pot or smart pots.
It’s about control over what you can do on “your land “
Its Ironic to see them sitting in the community center that was built by “marijuana”
Get it straight, it was built with ILLEGAL marijuana money.
Three blind thieves see how they run
there running after you’re GOD-given rights
Three blind thieves they’ve taken down the butcher’s wife
The communities in fear for there lives
They won’t listen to reason
These blind thieves riding in there
Hell E cop ters taking our freedom away
Hell E cop ters they are violating our GOD-given rights
Hell E cop ters know the truth and it will set you free the truth is my friend
We are being persecuted by thieves
Murdering our Community
The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.
–Gloria Steinem
It should be control if you are growing pot illegally Sid.
. . . it behooves us to remember, that men can never escape being governed. Either they must govern themselves or they must submit to being governed by others. If from lawlessness or fickleness, from folly or self-indulgence, they refuse to govern themselves, then most assuredly in the end they will have to be governed from the outside.
–Theodore Roosevelt: Jamestown Exposition April 26, 1907
Pretty soon, Martin, those little black boxes in y/our cars will be able to cite you for moving violations.
How’s that sound?
California stop at an empty intersection?
Little fast on the freeway, listening to your favorite music?
Yeah, my brother social credit score and many more helpful grid tied services that will make sure you measure how much water, power, and gas you consume in the name of conservation, it’s all in the name safety, and the environment.
“Useful idiots “
“Useless eaters”
Get a grip Martin.. It’s not the 50’s son.. Law enforcement has more important pressing matters than small reasonably managed gardens on someone’s property.. what a waste of time and $$$
Martin, I think you are wrong!! Who are sheriff john brown and estelle the grower to tell us that citizens cant do as they like on their place so long as they manage the environment.
The locals already went 40 goddamned long years being told their criminals for growing a godgiven herb. Now they’re being told theyre criminals because they dont want to grow like gangstas in corporate amounts. Which is what it takes to be legal….
They are not nor were they ever criminals. And all that prohibition led to the criminal element you all cry about, but you still wanna play the same prohibition game.
I say nay. Let the herb grow. Throw the ecoterrorists in jail whether they grow pot, trees, or tomatoes.
Praise
Marijuana has the potential for making the world more peaceful military action does not !
Lighten up and stop the madness
Mahatma Gandhi, Jesus Christ Superstar, Reverend Martin Luther King jr, Bob Marley, sister Rosa Parks, and many more
making the world better.
They put their lives on the line
For our God given rights
(Light up and stop the madness)
Joe dirt from the movie
If they continue to cut down the herb..
We’re gonna burn the cane fields …
“I don’t know if hemp is going to save the world, but it’s the only thing that can.”
–Jack Herer, The Emperor Wears No Clothes
Burn down the cane fields? Like hell you will. They will continue to cut down the illegal herb. And everyone will just watch, and bitch, and hold their nutz.
Bright side – WallMart and Rico’s Tacos are hiring.
This will probably well be the year humble catches on fire so much fuel out there caltrans can’t keep up with the dry grass along the road sides Justice spark is all it takes global warming hot summer days potential for lightning strikes and a very unhappy community hell might come to dinner
~yep.
People talkin in here about the future – 2050. Blinded by the light of truth, or what? Eight years max has been stated, til man-made climate collapse. Meanwhile, “Get your flu shot”, Connie Beck. Can you even imagine what Human RESOURCE, via Child Protective Services (or whatever the semantic deceit word of the day is), does with the children they kidnap? 56 injections commin Up. These people should be behind bars. They have no right to be walking on the planet.
First of all it is Sheriff Billy Honsal, not john brown. It has been county law for years that you cannot doing anything illegal on your land Ernestine. Fishing in creeks, shooting protected animals without the proper permit, logging before your land is checked for the Spotted Owl, burning trash, grass, trees, etc., when not allowed, shooting within a certain distance of neighbors, and the list goes on. If you follow these and the other laws all will be fine. Give law enforcement a break, they are only doing what is required of them.
that is just what the guards said as they loaded jews into boxcars ….
~love it.
I see that you Martin, are used to being told what you can and cant do… Good for you, but dont even feed me that shit, you even try to rub of the xtra being told what to do by not allowing others their own space. Maybe you should be a cop instead of a wanna be. Live and let live. I will do what I want, when I want on my own property !!! Unless you care to pay my bills and taxes, then maybe I will consider it.
The thing is Martin, Cannabis is not any of those things you mentioned.. Neither is a Veggie garden with in reason…
Spot on Ernestine! 👍
Have you ever had a helicopter come so low you can see the pilots face while said pilot attempts to blow the cover off if your greenhouse&the copilot takes pictures of you while laughing?
Had guys with automatic weapons repel out of low choppers and point said rifles at your childrens temples?
Had your door busted in in the very early morning by guys all yelling different instructions who shoot your dog infront of your kids who have guns pointed at them?
Sorry if that doesn’t create “real” ptsd in your book. People were traumatized.
Folks in this community have experienced all those things and more. For growing plants.
2 big issues are HOW the busts are handled and what we as citizens want our local state and federal police to focus on; they’re using our money. Personally Id way rather see resources go towards eradication of meth, heroin, cocaine, human trafficking, strong arming of locals by eastern european cartel members and the white supremist dudes who’ve been lurking around Garberville harassing anyone of color on the street and even employees of stores……these things need attention amongst many more issues. Also the amount of unsolved murders of locals here.
We shoukd get a say in what we want authorities to focus on and a way to hold them accountable.
Its pretty annoying to see the timber harvest cuts carving the hillsides while our taxes pay for enforcement only if pots growing. They dont clean up the grows they just bulldoze everything which is even worse for the environment.
If it were across the board enforcement i think everyone would feel better but to see one industry severely punished while others operate legally doing even worse environmental atrocities is ridiculous&infuriating. Timber companies still get to spray pest herbicides mixed with diesel fuel all over the forests and it gets in the water, the water your kids drink. Maybe we shuld go throw some plants on recently sprayed timber land and see if they bust em.
How about don’t be a criminal drug dealing conspirator and your little victim story would never exist…
Duh indeed. I alteady told you once, but let me tell you again, your thinking is old.
The locals already went 40 goddamned long years being told their criminals for growing a godgiven herb. Now they’re being told theyre criminals because they dont want to grow like gangstas in corporate amounts. Which is what it takes to be legal….
They are not nor were they ever criminals. And all that prohibition led to the criminal element you all cry about, but you still wanna play the same prohibition game. Its prohibition that brings murder to the game. You and john brown think more prohibition will bring the crime rate down. I guess you both are dim.
And it’s not fair. The growers have been marginalized already for decades. How about apologizing for that by finding a new way to get your environmental goals met besides prohibition.
Thanks brother!
~well said, ernestine.
There are no crimes, just commerce. The only thing happening in the pit of viper’s Administration rooms is a financial transaction.
how about we see equal enforcement ? lets see low flying helios shock troops attacking wallstreet crooks pointing assult rifles at their children. if you want to play the legal verses illegal card as some sort og justicfaction for these actions by the gastopo “law enforcement” the only differance between legal and illegal is one group paid off the system and the other cant afford to. facebook is a larger more corrupt gang than illegal farmers. and yet you do not see these types of assults happening there. your ass backwards system is just that. this is the land of the free the home of the brave. not the land of commies that you must beg for permission to make a living off of your own land. land you bought paid taxes upon. not to mention paid taxes upon every stinking item on said land. The founding fathers never had envisioned such a bunch of [edit]crybabies when it comes to things like this. remember the boston tea party ?it was over taxes. taxes that excluded many while allowing some to bennifit. the way i see it every last law enforcement officer or military personal that is following orders to carry out these raids lack the internal foritude to stay up for whst is right. their words mean nothing as they areboath breakers treasonist that should be [edit]that is my view and i took an oath. but never once did i follow a unlawful order which is excatly that which these so called men and women of honor are doing. when the guards of the prison camps were question they claimed they were merely following orders, that did not work as an excuess then and it will not save them now . guilty of crimes against the people the nation and the constutition they swore to uphold from all enemies forgien and domstic. may god have mercy upon their souls .
Lol it’s our money! Man, you really need to get out of Humboldt, and take a look at the corporate Plutarch we call a republic. Let’s see…hmmm a bunch of wealthy people tell the rest of us what to do, give us a vote on their limited choices for leaders, they spend our money on 20+yrs of war against terrorism, they let our infrastructure crumble, they send all manufacturing out of the country because of the NIMBYs and people wanting cheap stuff, they allow executives to make millions while not paying livable wages, they allow too big to fail be bailed out but we can’t invest in our future kids educations to compete against the world, they allow corporate thugs with badges and a uniform beat shot and harass citizens then they get to investigate themselves finding no wrong cause they’re were scared for their safety, and they allow big business to be subsidized while the rest pull themselves up by their bootstraps. So let me make this clear, you are a subject of corporate policy, and you’re only here to give them your energy and money because they believe they deserve it and brainwash you into thinking it’s patriotic. But hey, keep voting Democrat or Republican, and letting your government of the people bail out the rich on the back of your future.
YES, in Vietnam Have ya! How about you?
“We don’t propose to sit here in our rocking chair with our hands folded and let the Communists set up any government in the Western Hemisphere.”
The Vietnam War, yet another tremendous waste of money, time, and lives. The Commies are still in charge and last year we had a $39,000,000,000 trade imbalance with Vietnam. They exported to us $39B more than we exported to them. The difference used to be US job$.
Ever wonder if your govt is lying to you?
I don’t need the government, you are the one that is not informed my friend. A comment asked if I have ever seen faces and .50 caliber automatic weapons looking down on me and I said yes, in Vietnam. Where did you serve?
me serve in the military? oh hell no. i aint risking getting my ass blown off for no damn good reason, let alone for a lying government that protects corporate interests with human cannon fodder. we aint fought a legitimate war that protected US citizens and freedom since the big one………WWII.
“Legitimate war”? Since WWII? Come on now.
“We didn’t raise armies for victory or conquest.” Jefferson
~i hate to be the one to break it to you – but it took a Pearl Harbor and tons of media propaganda, military music, boys sent off to an Infant-ry for cannon fodder, for that despicable display of humanity.
Pearl Harbor was nothing more than Hawaii’s end of a (70 year) bankruptcy. Commerce, commerce, commerce. Ships move commerce. Hence, the bombing of the Arizona.
Martin, Martin,Martin. I never seen you near post 544, which in case you dont know, was the nearest V F W in the A P blocksburg area. And if you looked in the face of a 50 cal… you must of been on the wrong side of the weapon. Get a grip and respect the people you supposedly raised your hand a swore to defend. Give them their 1st amendment right and let em speak. Even if we dont agree with what they say….. You and millions of others must keep our oath and let them say it. The fight is over until it is on again.
My thoughts to the Vietnam government didn’t have 50 cal
Yeah because they sooo patriotic to wave for the Gov. to Wave 50 Cals in the faces of women and children over a harmless plant.. get a grip Mr. Martin.. Maybe you have PTSD from Vietnam. My family who went did.. Cannabis helps with that you know… Besides, it’s always people who don’t fight the wars… starting the wars…
Apologies for the typo.. May auto correct Restaurant In hell.. lol..
‘Yeah because it’s so patriotic for the Gov to wave 50Cals in the faces of women and children over a plant..’ is what that was supposed to say..
Wait, the commies are still in charge? I’ve been to Vietnam in the recent past, it’s maybe not what you think. It’s more of a hybrid system, they don’t seem to care about where you go or what you do like they used to. They seem to be as capitalist as we are. Besides, what do we make that they want. Guns? They only make piles of cheap crap because we buy it..
Its about rights. We live in America
We are not criminals just because we live In the hills.
If this was about the environment they would be circling the logging operations 24/7
No you don’t never did. This country was founded in secret by rich land holders who only gave rights to white male land holders. Then these rich guys started taxing the little people for their war pleasure. It’s corporate policy and still based upon who owns the most money has the most freedom of speech and influence to do their bidding. Just review Shay’s Rebellion about taxation and look what the feds did. Are how about Waco? Ever hear of the Patriot Act and Banking Secrets Act? Freedom is an illusion.
Actually NO, the original 13 colonies were founded in this way, California was not founded in the way you speak of.
Not even all of the thirteen colonies where founded by commercial enterprises offering land grants. Some were founded by religious groups, some were a mix of commercial and religious groups, some were international, some uniform. https://www.thoughtco.com/chart-of-thirteen-original-colonies-4059705
I guess interpretation has to do with personal issues but just because a person has to adjust their behavior to get along with their society doesn’t mean they have no freedom.
The Federalist Papers
We are rivals (w/Spain and England) in navigation and the CARRYING trade . . . carrying trade IS commerce consisting of the TRANSPORTATION of goods from one country to another. (my emphasis)
Congress is delegated authority of commerce – ON THE SEAS. Commerce has Nothing to do with size.
Land was and is via a land patent.
Oh Jojo, California was founded by priests making slaves of the indigenous, followed by rapacious white men destroying the land in search of gold (and killing indigenous). What noble process did you envision?
For such a know it all, you sure were wrong about the FBI raiding the Hmongs. Turns out it had nothing to do with the Hmong nation.
so what was it about ?
Trump was one of the original colonists?
Fun Fact: You know what they called Conservatives during the American Revolution? Tories!
Still called tories in the UK.
True at least on the surface. Of course that doesn’t mean conservative by today’s definition. The founding fathers certainly were not liberals in any sense of the word. They based their ideas of government on ancient Rome and Greece as being educated in the classics was really the only education around outside of organized religion. No one who thinks that the Ancient Romans had the key to good government could be a liberal or progressive. In fact they might just be the most conservative people ever, looking to reinstate the some oldest practices of government known to humanity to eliminate tyranny.
The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them. Mark Twain
Liberal – a power worshipper without the power. George Orwell
That’s revised history. Ever wonder why every new year’s class has to purchase the ‘new revised’ edition of whatever is being taught?
A few of them were rich when they began their endeavors towards liberty, true. But most were just like regular Joe. They were of all ages, from teenagers to Granddads. Yeh, you heard me. A TEENYbopper or two were a Founding Father. Poor people were our Founding Fathers. Regular Joes were our Founding Fathers.
Which one(s) tried to rescue his son off the Prison ship? Which one(s) was on the Prison ship? Which one(s) lost his wife? Which one(s) lost his business? Which one(s) were captured and imprisoned afterwards? Which one(s) lost their lives?
Need I put forth more questions?
Look up the word Providence.
Look up the state of Rhode Island. It wasn’t a state, it was a Providence that became a state.
Other states were settled in about the same way, except they went from regular colonies into statehood, bypassing the title of Providence.
Children were taught to read and write by reading the Bible. The Principles of God, (the 10 commandments of ‘muh rights end where yours begin, and visa versa’.
Washington’s Farewell address is another good read.
The Federalist papers are enlightening as well. (note, they mention Republic, never democracy).
Returned for part 2.
Ever hear the word ‘infiltrator’? What about ‘Sabotage’? What about Seditious and or Traitor?
Well, if you know what those words mean, then, you’re old enough to know how the various events you spoke of were carried out by certain individuals that those terms above describe. Your homework, is to pinpoint those ‘who’s’, then find the ‘pattern’ … and then you’ll arrive at your own conclusion, of course.
Who has plunked down the sign ‘_______ was here’ when ever something devious occurred? Who was in charge when those events occurred? … long list of questions, but out of time for now. Surely, by now you can think up some reasonable ones of your own by now anyway. Happy hunting.
Rhode Island isn’t even an island!
Lampreys are in fresh water. Eels in salt water.
I know, right. They must have meant it as a metaphorical island, separated from the ‘King’s’ main land. Providence is another word for ‘divine leadership’, which, back then, that’s how they rolled. Now they’re just like the rest of the mess.
#Land of the not free
#Home of the Brainwashed
~you can’t brainwash the heart washed.
“It’s about rights”
One only has the rights that one can assert.
“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the law of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.” –John Adams
Time to privately fund a helicopter to hover at 500 feet above the supervisors and sheriff’s house and take pictures.
Then they can feel violated
Best idea I’ve heard yet.
I’ll be glad to help fund this. Send me some info on where I can help.
Martin do you live in the triangle and did you in the 90s? I doubt it. So maybe you should be the one to “get a grip and go home”
Notbuyinit, I have lived here all my life, and a large part in the mountains near Blocksburg. Pot raids were my favorite thing to sit and watch, as chopper after chopper hauled away nets full of that crap. I don’t need to go home, I am already there! Probably someday I will see you in the net, then you better get a “grip.”
Martin, I doubt you will answer this honestly, but let’s find out your degree of hypocrisy.
Have you ever grown cannabis? Have you ever used cannabis that was grown in Northern California? Do any of your close friends/family grow or use cannabis? Do you support any local businesses that were started with/as a result of cannabis money?
HELL NO!!!!
This is my name you might want to ask that same question two sheriff Honsal. He’ll probably give you the same answer. These people are delusional, psychotic, and probably a few other scientific names some we might not even have a word for yet. Losers that blame everybody else for the way they are “dimwit”
From the movie Joe dirt
“He’ll probably give you the same answer.”
~no doubt. The devil doers are the nerds you remember in high school.
Mendocino county needs one of these
Sheriff Tom Allman thinks he can fly to 300 feet. Here is his a piece from his interview “Sheriff Allman said that he expects all personnel to follow court rulings that establish a 500’ minimum altitude except in rare and narrowly tailored circumstances where 300’ is permissible to photograph violations”
Doing there job??
Didn’t know the ‘job’ includes throwing flash bang grenades into a local store.. ha ha. When the last time a pot growers shot at a cop ? Duh….
Martin your the one whining. You go home if you don’t like cannabis growers.
I am home, and pot growers a puke!!!!
Martin why dont you stay home and stay off the internet. These are real concerns and the state of california and local jurisdictions are not giving out licenses in a timely manner so there are huge concerns and whether or growing pot or not I wouldn’t be happy with helicopters flying over my residence.
Some of guys are WHINERS!! Do it legally then you don’t have to worry about law enforcement. You guys have so many rights as an American citizen. Be grateful and have respect for the freedom that you have, many people loss their lives for those rights you have and one of those rights is for you whine (1st amendment ). I’m being sarcastic, the first amendment is not meant for you whine and whine. You guys sound like Democratic and Republican everyday on the news. They whine and whine about nonsense, shit that doesn’t fucking to me. They waste the taxpayers money to whine every day. Same with some of you guys, you guys whine and complain about “sounds of helicopter.” OMG!! What’s next? If you have a real job, work from 6am to midnight for 6 days a week like the 3rd world countries then you wouldn’t notice the sound of the helicopter because you are too occupied with making money and putting food and a roof over your family. Instead of having too much time to complain. Middle East countries listen to the sound of gunfire and helicopters every fucking day!! So shut the fck up and be a productive member of the society/community. If you don’t like the sound of the helicopter, no one point a gun to your head and make you live in SoHum. Move!!! Some of you guys just complain to complain. When you want change, come up with a solution that benefits everyone not just your fucking selfish individualist mind.
That was like the whiniest commentary I have ever Skimmed over…
I already see the problem.
#rootcause
~do tell.
How about Perception Deception
If you put the words ‘Ruben’s Tube’ into a YouTube search you will see a short video showing the effects of standing waves of different frequencies including music. It is highly significant that the music frequency or ‘concert pitch’ (vibration) has been officially (bloodline) set at 440 Hertz for note A which then plays out with corresponding change to all the other notes. This was adopted by the American Federation of Musicians in 1917 and became the US standard in 1920. The Nazi regime in Germany imposed the A = 440 Hz frequency in 1939. In 1955 the International Organization for Standardization made 440 the world standard. What better way to constantly underpin this energetic distortion of the Matrix-DNA connection than to encode it into the very frequencies used by the global music industry in all of its multiple forms?
Some researchers say that the frequency of 8 Hz harmonizes the two hemispheres of the brain into a whole-brain state and, by definition; there are other frequencies that stop the two hemispheres from experiencing a whole-brain connection.
Thank you!
I like your perspective.
I’ve heard about sound frequency, and that every ailment we hAve, has a corresponding sound frequency that cures
Cures through sound frequency!
Is it any wonder that they are weaponizing the frequencies around us?
The earths frequency is 7.38 hz.
What does 5g intend to do with that?
We are resonant beings affected by sound and light…
Why does it seem they are weaponizing sound and light?
Interesting Documentary that deals with Brain waves and talks about the patents associated with using microwave technology to hack into the human mind.
https://youtu.be/NjAkTEUMEfA
“So we don’t deviate from the social agenda “…grrrr
ahh but we have even more than such. 20 plus years ago we had weaponized freg.s arrays portable on thw back of trucks we could use for crowd control. and against enemy forced to make their noses and ears bleed in large numbers…. this i have seens with my own eyez.
Cell phones are already weaponized. The 5G Network could potentially be way more devastating. With shifting of the frequencies, and resonance of sound modulation, it is already known that it can create devastating mind-altering migrating, type of illness. And you might not even need a cell phone. They have been install these 5G cellular systems on towers for a while worldwide. Spying and mind manipulation control. With a possibilities of turning people into mindless
and then there’s more:
https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/74032/a-rare-virus-spread-by-mosquitoes-can-change-your-personality–and-its-just-been-found-in-5.html
(note: the ‘engineering’ of all of the above was long before ‘bad orange man’ took office.).
Rumors have it that China Lake had a ‘lab’ and that it’s been blowied uppied since ‘bad orange man’ took office. That’s just one example of what’s really going on behind the scenes. One of these days all the ‘classifieds’ will be unclassified and we’ll know the facts from the fictions.
By the time we care not of fact or fiction.
When we realize that this time on earth is our punishment…
At least that’s how it’s looking…
Brown note. Science!
Bottled water? Way to lead by example mateel.
Oh, good. I’m not the only one. They really hand out disposable water bottles at the Mateel? Utterly unbelievable.
Most hypocritical organizations on the planet.
To really grill Honsal and Fannell would be to vote them out of office.
That’s the problem right there. First of Honsal is an appointee of the disgraced sheriff who was auctioning of deceased persons property with no bids to deputies and other government employees, like a 76 Corvette, and then swept in under the rug. The sheriff is now also the county adminstrator and coroner so they can swept murders and government wrongs under the rug too. If you haven’t been paying attention, which most of you actually don’t, is this country is run by wealthy elite good ol boy club that doesn’t care for you all as well as wants to monopolize everything here, and there is a criminal element that has captured our local government for their own interests. Voting for their limited choices of corrupt politicians won’t change things unless there are more choices not from the two party system or from the good ol boy and more than 20% of voters get off their ass to begin with.
~ the County Administrative Officer is Amy Nilsen – $220,387.00
That’s over 100 $/hour.
She can afford not to grow.
I’m sure her benefits are equivalent to some people’s yearly salary.
This good old boy club? https://calmatters.org/commentary/gavin-newsoms-keeping-it-all-in-the-family/
The first comment I totally agree with if you’re not breaking the law in you have no reason to be bothered by helicopters if you are breaking the law then stop I’m glad they’re cracking down they made marijuana legal that’s what everybody wanted for years now they don’t want to follow the law well you can’t have it both ways he got it made legal no follow the rules like the rest of us have to you don’t get to break laws you don’t like doesn’t work that way if you don’t like the rules of the laws take it to the federal government or the state government and change the laws other than that follow them
I think, Claudia, the problem is
THE LAW.
People who have blind faith are always on the wrong side of humanity, especially when dealing with overreaching laws, codes, regulations, statute’s that are enforced with military style force.
Blame it on the last 100 years of education in America.
The whole issue of private property and land rights, and water use has exposed the modern day feudal system we live under.
People who have no control over their property are SERFS.
#HUMBOLDTCOUNTYSERFS
DEl Norte Sheriff speaking to the Federal Land Grab….
Let’s just call it transfer of power away from the people who don’t know better.
Regardless of where you live, you will soon be dealing with these issues.
NWO
OWN
America has always been referred to as the new world. The evil has been brewing for ages.
The people have been serfs in this country since day one. It’s only gotten worse. You should read up on history. But hey, keep believing the propaganda that you live in a free country!
I think you need to define what freedom is, what society is, what citizenship is. Doing whatever you want and at the same time avoiding consequences of that is not ever going to be a reality.
It’s becoming that OrwellIan state where the government is in your very house with propaganda media and Alexa spy systems, in every RFID CHIP.
Much different than living on the Frontier.
#beware the back door
By your logic:
if you’re not breaking the law, then you have no reason to be bothered by drunk drivers.
if you’re not breaking the law, then you have no reason to be bothered by uncovered hoops/greenhouses emitting light into the night sky
if you’re not breaking the law, then you have no reason to be bothered by the techno nites that go until 2-3am at stone junction, despite being able to hear the noise on the south end of town
it’s NOT your place to tell someone what they do or don’t have “reason to be bothered by…..”
Someone has to say it…
Over and over again.
Whether you want to hear it or not.
Hahahahaha, this will touch off a firestorm of conspiracy and whining. People are so addicted to their yearly tax free income they can’t accept the new reality in Humboldt.
No, I don’t think the National Guard should be flying below 500.
Nice pic of the three biggest criminals in the history of Humboldt County. Just wait until they go all kent state on our asses this fall.
Highly unlikely.
It is unfortunate that we need laws because people can’t police themselves. It is also unfortunate that the Humboldt County Sheriffs Department CREATED the need for extreme measures to eradicate illegal grows. Growers are flawed, the Sheriffs are flawed, the current joke of a permitting system in this county is flawed.
Estelle needs to get pulled over and ticketed for her speeding and reckless driving sometime. She is a menace on and off pavement.
unknown caller,
~so we must get this clear in our minds if we are to be Americans and not mere slaves to a few elected people. WE ARE AT WAR even though most remain ignorant to this fact. John Locke in his “2nd Treatise of Government, 1690”, said it this way:
“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience…”
That was true back when everyone, including the govt, was limited to a 50 cal musket that too 20 seconds to load.
they were bot limited to anything they merely hadnt come up with somwthing better then.
Most growers do pay income tax. The only way they can buy a house, a car, etc. They may not claim it all. But most probably pay more than Trump and most if not all of the Fortune 500 companies. I missed the meeting and do not do Facebook (talk about big brother). Will transcripts be available?
Thats a stretch, Trump and all but 60 of the fortune 500 companies pay millions in taxes. Around an effective rate of 19+%.
How much do you think is fare. How much are you willing to pay?
https://americansfortaxfairness.org/tax-fairness-briefing-booklet/fact-sheet-corporate-tax-rates/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/03/14/trump-tax-returns-rachel-maddow-says-acquired-2005-form.html
“If I earn a dollar, how much of it am I entitled to keep?”
https://reason.com/2013/04/18/taxation-is-theft/
How much of other people’s money are you entitled to use? Everyone wants what they want and they seem to also whant others to pay for it.
While Obama made a very stupid remark about individuals not building a business themselves, he had a share of right too. Unless you are a subsistence farmer, everyone has a sliding scale of interdependence. They use infrastructure held in common like roads, schools, health care, water and sewerage, defense,etc. It isn’t like a sliding scale, where self sufficiency reduces pooled resources though those whose every need from eating to shelter comes out ofpooled money. It’s more like reciprocal dependence where, if you personally have enough land to support yourself, you have more that needs defending. You rely on public property laws, police enforcement, fire protection, etc to keep those resources in your own hands. It’s a delusion to believe yourself to be at the top of the food chain. One one human can make that claim and that one is not doing subsistence farming.
What is wrong is the tendency to tax solely to create control or benefit those not producing at all. Every tax needs to be able to justify itself as producing benefit to the society at large, including the taxed; neither targeting one for the sole benefit of the other nor being so extreme as to be in essence punitive forced labor just for being enterprising.
Using taxes as a benefit to our common interests is an obvious use of our money. I don’t have any problems paying a tax on gas knowing the tax goes to the roads. Or a sales tax on non-essential items, etc. But these are “use” taxes. I, essentially, volunteer to pay these taxes by using the service provided. Income tax taxes my labor which solely belongs to me. It takes money from me regardless. Property tax is, de facto, rent to the government.
I thought you were just about to say “voluntary”.
It’s a racket, ain’t it
Legislative transfer to of wealth…
The fattest tick on the dog. …
Well considering I pay the government 30% of my income and another 10% for the privilege of higher education so I can not be poor and pay more taxes (i.e. 40% income to govt) just so they don’t ever give anything back to me or my community and continue decades of war. Then I gotta listen to Baby Boomers say how easy it was for them. But hey, those rich guys paid 19%, while getting bailed out for their wall street gambling, hid the rest in investments, and thanks to Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission those rich guys not only get to run the government making the rules but their money also gives them more equality and freedom than me or you.
In this country taxation is theft from the little people. Socialism for the rich and bootstrap capitalism for the poor working folk.
This article provides the hindsight we didn’t have back then, but do now.
Use discretion, as we always should. For instance, replace any left/right blablobs with ‘a$$hole’, and voila. It all makes sense.
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/07/28/biden-privatization-plan-colombia-honduras-migration/#more-12170
The rich have always been able to buy more for themselves. What they buy is the labor of those poorer than themselves. If you think there was ever anything else, you got rooked on education. But even if you did, it was because you chose to be educated in pleasant fantasy rather ugly reality. Sorry that living the fantasy is more difficult for you but it was only a brief interlude and its over now.
You can lead a child to school, but you can’t make him think.
Will Smith movie comes to mind here.
The pursuit of happiness
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0454921/
Allen greenpan…it’s on kmud archive from yesterday. The titles will reflect the usual programming, but the meeting ran 2to5 pm, and it will be in those timeblocks despite what the schedule may read. If that makes sense.
I was thinking the same thing about the plastic water bottles. We live next to the ocean which is choking on plastics that are killing marine life and yet our County officials are drinking out of plastic water bottles. Shame on you—why can’t you bring your own reusable water bottle? Single-use plastic water bottles should be banned; plastics are killing our planet!
~yes, the plastic is one thing. What about the “water” inside the bottles?
https://www.consumerreports.org/water-quality/arsenic-in-some-bottled-water-brands-at-unsafe-levels/
June 28th.
~but then, hey, a county or state or country that s t i l l has Roundup/Glyphosate on the shelves . . .
I’ve heard some of the commercial growers are willing to smoke it in aluminum foil pipes Roundup Bayer Monsanto George Soros
https://www.-globalre-search.ca/the-war-on-weed–monsanto-bayer-and-the-push-for-corporate-cannbis/5534771
“I’ve heard some of the commercial growers are willing to smoke it in aluminum foil pipes Roundup Bayer Monsanto George Soros”
~i could have gone the rest of my life w/out reading that. I can think of one thing worse i’ve heard about before -eyeball licking. Like, Stop the world i wanna get off !!!
Server Not Found is all i get on the link.
Water in plastic bottles is used to control humans.2/3 of the population would die with out plastic bottles water. Can we make that 95% in the next 10 years? Yes. They will. A person will do ANYTHING for water…and government cheese. Why do you think they are controlling YOUR water and taxing you for it?
~how lucky are we to be in Humboldt? LOTS of water – not controlled, taxed or fluoride . . . unless you’re on a municipal water system.
There is no shortage of water either http://primarywater.org/
Well there’s a population reduction solution.
Ban single use plastic water bottles
You are all wrong! Plastics are not killing the planet. Humans are. Ironically, we have humans that want to save all the humans that drink water from plastic water bottles than complain about plastic water bottles. It’s like complaining about rat feces while feeding the rats.
John Ford and Estelle are just cornering the market for their family and friends which hide behind “permits” and sell to the original market while pretending to promote environmentally friendly ideals. All they care about is money and their bottom line. John ford was on K-Mud the friday morning I received my abatement notice talking about how they were going to direct their attention to farms not holding up their half of the compliance agreement, instead of focusing on smaller mom-n-pop scenes, then boom my 996 square foot grow abated. The fact is if you can afford to pay the county off you can grow all you want and break the law and sell to the black market, everyone I personally know who is permitted does. If you are a small mom-n-pop who can’t afford to do that well then you end up like me ABATED. It’s a shame government is full of corrupt soulless people who care about nothing but money like most in America. Honestly I’m happy they abated me and now I am in a way better area with way less corruption and alot more opportunity. Good luck Humboldt when all the good folks leave and there’s nothing but a few big corporate farms and no economy and lots of crime and hard drugs(not that there already isn’t) you’ll be feeling it. It’s already happening Humboldt will look and feel like a third world country. Have fun living in a police state
Ya it’s pretty ridiculous that you got abated for less than 1000 square feet. But all the good folks arnt all going to leave, a lot of them were here before anybody was making money growing pot. Those same people and their descendants will be here long after the easy money is gone.
It seems like the county is kind of toning down the abatements. They are only sending out around 10 notices every two or three weeks. Maybe next year people can do six huge plants without getting abated. If they would let people do a 1000 square foot green house that would be even cooler.
Easy money?….. Are you implying that working a Pot Farm is ‘easy money’??
Your obviously clueless… yeah just throw a seed in the ground and walk away and come back in 5/6 months and $100 are neatly packed away for ya.
Get friggin real.
It’s s known fact most of people and businesses in Humboldt are from a Cannabis proceeds. That’s what supported the economy. They have nothing else.
The local Politicians are choking the economy for all the people who live in the community. Facts.
yes, it’s farming, growers are farmers, very hard work with risks from LE, nature..weather, pests….if you can’t grow tomatoes I seriously doubt you could grow much of anything, let alone cannabis
He’s probably one of those that denies the fact that the backbone of Humboldt’s economy is cannabis. Funny how many of those out there they deny reality. Without cannabis Humboldt is nothing. Hence why they are enforcing the crap out of it(in the wrong way of course) it is a fact all businesses are suffering right now. Especially in southern Humboldt. When the legal market is cornered by a few huge corporations there will be nothing left for Humboldt. Yes alot of good people are getting out because they didnt want to blow it up and the county made it impossible for them to survive so they are moving out. I know a ton of people who are moving to other counties and states as Humboldt is a bust now. System is rigged and you wonder why people are resisting becoming legal!! Maybe if the whole thing wasn’t rigged by big money interests and corporations and the government wasn’t so corrupt and actually favored small business more people would of signed up to go legal.
I’d love to leave, to get away from my corrupt and noisy neighbors, Xotic Flavorz, but they have ruined the neighborhood so much that my property value has gone down and now I’m stuck in here in Hell, while they get rich. And, oh, by the way, Xotic Flavorz is Trevor Bohn’s company. He and his partner put up 35000 square feet of NEW greenhouses AFTER January 2016 but prior to getting a permit, and yet, they never got abated.
That’s horrible. Exactly what I’m talking about. System favouring the mega grower as long as you have the cash to throw into the permit process you can do what ever you want with no repercussions. Put up 35,000 square feet, sell it all to the black market while demonizing your neighbor’s who couldn’t afford permits.
Oh but they say that now John Ford is going to go after the bad people abusing their permits…. Yeah…Right! And my farts smell delicious too…What a gang of liars
Yeah it’s funny how john ford was on the radio lying as I recieved an abatement the same morning. I was dumb for actually believing what he was saying he also said they weren’t going to go after peoples properties and they don’t seize or won’t seize properties that don’t comply. Mean while the folks who have permits get a free pass to blow it up and sell on the black market without any enforcement and can break the law and drain vast amounts of resources while your small fish with 20 plants or a thousand square feet gets the book thrown at them and extorted to all hell by the county.
I think growing pot can be hard work. Mostly for those guys in the greenhouse getting paid a crap wage. Whilst their grow bro boss can drive his giant new truck in from town stay for an hour and do more damage to the road than anything.
It’s not just the sheriff and supervisors. Their are also plenty of self centered succubus that don’t mind cutting the throats of their own neighbors. Including sometimes, the very community that helped raised them.
It’s a shame the way this county is changing.
The economy will be fine around here, the biggest sceans were just sending the money out of county. The legal growers will keep spending there money locally.
Hope your not wrong but the economic outlook forecast for humboldt is negative 👎🏼 .Btw SB county has 1000 acres permitted .
https://www.times-standard.com/2019/02/27/forecast-humboldt-county-to-be-down-20-million-by-2023/
Humboldt County is projected to spend more than it brings in for each of the next seven years, bringing its fund balance to negative-$20.5 million by 2023.
Times Standard’s hireling Shomik Mukherjee didn’t bother to check the Annual Financial Report. The corporate governmental employees are clueless when it comes to economics, bookkeeping, balancing ledgers, timely financial reports -shifting payroll to Human RESOURCE.
~gazillions in extorted surplus INVESTMENTS would be more accurate. T.H.E.Y. are drowning in irredeemable paper.
20×50 patch and you are a mom-n-pop? Do you sell it, or smoke all of that?
What do you consider a mom and pop size? Two plants? 996 square feet can produce 60 pounds @ 1k a pound thats 60 grand and a modest living for California, considering the high cost of living. Most of that would go back into the local economy.
Something is amiss at the County.
Mess with a wetland while growing marijuana, they’ll throw the book at you. Remove vegetation so carelessly on the shoreline that federally delineated (permanent) ponds and marshes are literally erased, they don’t notice.
The National Wetlands Inventory NWI, the California Aquatic Resources Inventory (CARI) and County GIS still display aquatic resources that I can confirm no longer exist. Reported to County years ago, never recorded.
If it doesn’t fit their narrative…..
Who expects anything else from the sheriff, but Estelle can jump in a lake and stay there. She threw everybody under the bus along with the rest of the supervisors. They worked on the current mode of “legalization” for years, and what did they spend that time doing? There’s no reason whatsoever they couldn’t and shouldn’t have capped grow sizes to allow more true mom-n-pop cottage grows to be financially doable. A real community of small family farms could be the reality right now. Instead they made the law enable corporate mega to instantly dominate the whole scene, family friends and brown-nosers first. And that’s what we see now. Gigantics, huge indoors and mixed lights, funneling money to their out of state corporate sponsers. It’s not the legalization we wanted. Estelle Fennell doesn’t represent Humboldt. She’ll be replaced soon.
No one threw anyone under the bus. Any county issuing commercial cannabis permits have to meet state standards.
The county can’t make getting a County permit less strict than what the state regs mandate.
They could go ahead and rubber stamp your commercial grow like you want , but you’ll never get a state permit cause your county permit doesn’t meet state standards.
The majority of permits being issued at the county level are to small craft farmers under 10,000sq ft. that’s a matter of public record whether you want to believe it or not.
10,000 square feet is giant. Thats 600 pounds if you hit an ounce per square foot which is what I would get in my 996 square feet of greenhouse space before I was abated. Don’t sit there and tell me 10,000 is craft.
You look it up
Estelle sits on several statewide committees that show led to such strict bs statewide
Furthermore, if you get your county permit, the state takes thst leadership and imposes as little as possible after that.
// “There’s no reason whatsoever they couldn’t and shouldn’t have capped grow sizes to allow more true mom-n-pop cottage grows to be financially doable. ” //
Without this being a statewide action, I’m not sure it would have had the impact you wish for. The economic realities of competing with the readily available ag lands of other counties means unfortunately that size matters.
This really went south when the State decided to allow growers to stack licenses. Without that protection, smaller growers is ALL areas of the state were basically deep six-ed.
ARTICLE IV
LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT
Sec. 1 – The Legislative power of this State shall be vested in a Senate and Assembly, which shall be designated the Legislature of the State of California; and enacting clause of every law shall be as
follows: “The people of the State of California, represented in Senate and Assembly, do enact as follows.” (Commercial Medical Marijuana Land Use Ordinance – no enacting clause)
Sec. 17 – Every bill which may have passed the Legislature, shall, before it becomes a law, be
presented to the Governor.
ARTICLE V
EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENT Sec. 12 – No person shall, while holding any office under the United States, or this State, exercise the office of Governor, except as hereinafter expressly provided.
I’d say the Supes. exercised/usurped the office of Governor January 2016.
~an Ordinance just doesn’t get it.
Fall in love with the word “NO !”
Don’t steal my Pork Sundae.
🕯🌳No real structure to this conversation.
Because you can’t follow along. Still sour?
can you keep your loco drama over at loco?
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.
It says the consent of the governed, not the consent of individual. Only when the individuals become a large enough group to be considered the governed in the collective sense will revolution be successful. If it is only by a few outraged individuals without the support a large number of others, it is not capable of being a new Guard. It is only capable of irritation, not revolution.
Applause. Loud applause.
Only about 20% of colonists supported the push for independence.
About 20% opposed it.
The other 60% were too busy making a living to have time to care.
~i’d be jazzed at 3-5%.
3% of Humboldt,134,000 = roughly 4,000.
3% of Trinity, 13,000 = roughly 390
3% of Mendocino, 87,000 = roughly 2,610
Kay, we need 7,000 non-comformists, California state nationals, with boulders.
Ullr Rover,
~this too hangs in my mind. Fact is tho, i’ve been in the sock puppet’s face for many a year – public meetings, litigation (Z Tax and mj Tax), notices sent registered mail w/signature receipt, coffee w/the cops, Sheriff Questionnaire, Fee Schedule, Notice of Fraud dated September 11, 2015 . . . waiting for the 100th monkey to awaken . . . waiting for the “Merry Band of Three Percenters” to come together. There isn’t much i leave out as the years roll by.
T.H.E.Y. are WELL aware.
Recently, i summed the mess up on a Notice Concerning Enlargement of Foreign Mercenaries Due to a Private Male Masquerading as a Sheriff in the Republic, Issued to Federales of all Stripes (4 pgs). It could certainly be a Declaration and i’m open for discussion and changes/edit where/if needed. Need the people, their voices to harmonize in a loud and definite “NO”!
Guess i expect those who Know who they are and Know what needs to be done, to come forward and roust the gang green from our midst. Fill the vacant offices. The land records look like a crime scene.
..manifestos, right wing conspiracies, violent uprisings of the ill-informed…
If it wasn’t real and dangerous, I’d ignore it.
My only hope is that by addressing the nature of the contract between the People and the government enough people will come to understand their Natural Rights and begin to assert them. Sometimes it feels like trying to light a fire with wet wood, but keep adding heat and it will ignite eventually.
Well said, except I disagree with the phrasing of ‘the contract BETWEEN the people and the govt’….
The compact was more like an ’employee’s agreement’ that the people wrote out for the employees to ‘sign here or eff off’.
It’s the ‘eff off’ part that’s gotten toned down into a cotton candy burger of ‘pretty please, play nicey nicey or we’ll have to abide by YOU instead of YOU abiding by our compact’.
@CH, thank you for taking the time to notify the right people about what the employees are doing under the guise of public safety.
Just FYI, though, many people don’t understand the lingo, terms, for reals, etc and the wording of your post(s) often goes right over our heads. Some of us, like self for instance, need a dumbed down regular joe version of what you said plus a compilation of the wrongs, the documents (news sources?), etc to add to the end of the letters.
Thanks for the dedication and hard work you’ve generously given throughout the years. I trust you don’t mind people like me asking for more. If you do mind, get over it. 😀
shak,
~for what it’s worth, i’ve said those words to the Supes. Patting my chest, I say “Employer.” Pointing and looking at each of them, saying, “Employee.” “Public.” Point at them – “Public Servant.” Saying, “Good morning criminals and thieves”, on Tuesday mornings just makes my day ! Having fun on the way to it, is the reason for it 🙂
Thank you muchly for your kind words.
Correctness has jurisdiction over all fiction. The laws of the order is the vehicle that gets us there. The real value is the freedom the correctness brings. We’re either going to unite and Stand together, or fall together.
I know . . how to ‘seed’ my of public record docs? At the times of creating them i would go by NCJ and The Humboldt Independent to ask how much $ to place them in their “Legal” notice section (yeah, i don’t like that part) – they wouldn’t do it. Emerald Magazine neither.
During Occupy Eureka i held a sign that said, ‘Vacate Fiction Adapt Truth’ and i was told more than once that no one knew what it meant 🙁
Do i mind being ask for more? Now, that IS funny. If all this doesn’t come to fruition, i’m gonna lose it.
haha, good on you CH!
Even if they probably just rolled their eyes, I’m confident that someone in the audience finally ‘got it’. That’s the important part.
Now it’s about getting some teeth into all this vernacular.
It’s like a dog trying to bite you with no teeth. You might be shocked at first, but then you realize the dog has no teeth and may only just trip you if you are trying to walk while said dog is desperate to get a hold of something to knock you off balance.
At some point, the dog is rendered useless In doing any real or lasting damage.
This is where we are
….
Just gumming at the officials.
All bark and no bite…
They really don’t care.
There was no ‘between’ there there.
We’re NOT partners. We are the Employers. We are the ones who consented to creating a LIMITED and DEFINED central govt to handle all foreign matters and to SECURE our rights.
(not yelling at you dear Rover, but at any reader who, like me, just didn’t get that fine point until someone took the time to Capitalize it to me one day).
Contracts are agreements ‘between’ two or more willing entities. Even a contract between an employer and employee is ‘between’ the two entities. I think your issue is that the People forget that We are the employer and have the authority to terminate the contracts with the Administrative state. Especially the contracts we have been coerced into entering.
Yes, and a Compact is an agreement between the states who willingly signed up in agreement to abide by the Constitution that limits the central govt and which secures the rights of the people. The govt itself takes an oath to abide by the compact that limits them. Their oath to office (any position) signifies that they are very much aware that their powers are limited and defined. The govt is not a ‘party’ to the constitution/compact, they are the guards of the constitution/compact. When they fail to guard, they are supposed to be changed out. Then and there.
We don’t terminate the compact, we change out the guards.
Are the employees of McDonald’s burger chain a party of the compact between all of the stores within the chain? No. The employees just follow the rules or get ‘changed out’.
~you two are both saying the same thing -and very good at it i might add.
Thanks, but…
No, we’re not. I was in the same trained of thought that the two of you are still in. Now I ^know^ better.
Employees don’t usually sign a contract with their employer. They declare themselves to be fit enough to fill the position. They then fill out their W2forms with the unconstitutional IRS. They don’t usually fill out a contract with the boss. Sometimes they have to sign a sheet with the rules on it… after they’re hired… to prove they understand the rules.
Our elected take an oath (declare themselves fit for the position of abiding by OUR rules). After they’re hired, they then get the rule sheets to read and ‘sign here’. They did NOT sign those BEFORE being hired. Their position is unique to all other positions and require special rules to follow. They are NOT a part of the rule sheet they signed, they are a subject to it. They are not the creator, they are the creature.
So, please, drop the ‘a contract BETWEEN’. Because there is no such thing. It’s a declaration of being fit for the position hired for, AFTER they’re hired. If they can’t abide by the rules, they’re out of there. (in the real world, not in our fake ‘elected’s rule’ world).
forgot to add a quote.
““…the powers of the federal government as resulting from the compact to which the states are parties;” in other words, that the federal powers are derived from the Constitution; and that the Constitution is a compact to which the states are parties.” James Madison”
hmmm, might as well make it 2:
“This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.” Supremacy Clause
The govt has no power of authority to authorize power against the people.
Congress was not established to “become” the federal government but to control it on behalf of the people. That is the reason they hold the most influence and control through the checks and balances established through powers of impeachment and congressional oversight.
~all good, right up to “check and balances.” Long long ago, in a far away land . . .
The Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) were scrapped around about the same time Grants took-on flight. I remember Gallegos was District A and the “Civil” Grand Jury, in their annual report, published Gallegos’ (Not an accountant and Not on his job description) circle logic reply to one of the villager’s complaint about switching accounting methods – that are time honored. It’s plus-and-minus, not trig.
There is no check and balance possible with bribes, labeled Grants. Too many strings attached from the puppet Masters. And w/each passing year the Annual Financial Report takes longer to produce.
Last year i got the report (at no cost -their rules) in February. The year before in December – October prior to that. THIS year it jumped from February to June – 4 months.
“Abyss” means anything too deep for measurement, profound depth. Shame of time. The primeval void or chaos before Creation. Merriam-Webster Dictionary
It’s still all good, CH, it’s just a matter of informing the people how it’s SUPPOSED to be. They don’t realize which amendments are repugnant to the Constitution, or even why they’re repugnant.
Why did the Constitution separate the Senator from the rest of the mess? Why did the rest of the mess unconstitutionally change that law? Why do the Senators and the rest of the mess now support each other? Who is protecting the people’s State’s sovereignty? What does protecting the state’s sovereignty mean?
The constitution forbids personal federal income tax. The Federal govt was supposed to get their necessary funds from Tariffs and each state’s choice of selected businesses or goods to tax. Which California businesses were nominated for special taxing? Why weren’t all businesses and goods special taxed? What is happening today? Why are they trying to tax & control the air we breathe, the water we use, the food we grow, the clothes we wear, the shelters we build, the property we own… ?
Which amendments are repugnant to the Constitution?
Why do people insist on blaming the ‘Constitution’ and ‘Founding Fathers’ instead of where the blame literally belongs? Who’s being protected by pointing the fingers elsewhere? Who benefits? What will it take to turn things back to how it’s supposed to be? Who controls the media? Why?
Why do people think that the Founding Fathers were ‘government’ and that it was the government that created the Constitution in order to govern over we the people? Who benefits from that ‘train of thought’? Why? Who REALLY created the Constitution? If the People (founding fathers) created the Constitution in order to create a central government to secure it, then how in the hell could the government be a ‘party’ of the constitution when they (the govt) weren’t even created yet? WE the people (founding fathers) were the ones who said ‘by the consent of the governed’ and we don’t give any govt any dam consent to run our personal/private lives. Read this document. Signed: 56 or so serious men who went through hell to secure liberty and limit tyrants.
Oh, but what about the children. The children will be left behind if they’re not all in the same exact edumacation system. Since then, that’s all we hear isn’t. What about the children…. followed closely with another ‘right’ lost.
Rant mode off.
As to your concerns, CH, yes, the same the THEY also mingled in the Justice system where it don’t belong. They’ve mingled in foreign policies, and all other forms of tyanny. Even the local court systems accept ‘grants’ for ‘special’ ‘programs’. Program. Program the people until they believe what the THEY tells them to believe.
Knowing our Constitution and what’s repugnant to the constitution is the first step towards untangling the tangled entertwined mess.
~you’re on-point, Ull Rover. ” . .enough people will come to understand their Natural Rights and begin to assert them.”
After all, when Jefferson, Samuel Adams, John Adams and Patrick Henry, among many others, refused to sign the Federal constitution – it should bring up questions. I wasn’t there, but Patrick Henry is quoted, to the best of my knowledge, saying: “I small a rat.” Deception can only take place when there is a lack of knowledge.
Common law isn’t such a leap tho, as Natural Law would be in fiction land. But I wholeheartedly agree with you on Natural Law.
“The governmental corporation cannot keep us safe, but it claims it can. It wants to interfere with our natural rights to self-defense and to privacy. But whenever it does so, it keeps us less safe. And in whatever arena it keeps us less safe and falsely fosters the impression that we are safe, we become less free.” –Judge Napolitano
“Keep adding heat and it will ignite.” Encouraging words for all of us, really –thank you.
“I ‘smell’ a rat.”
liberty and justice for all… just sign here and pay the fee first.
STOP signing corporate forms. If you feel the need to put the name you go by on the enemy’s forms, Always, Always, put under duress above your signature. Three dots . . . will do if you feel threatened.
Reserve your rights !
About the TAX, labeled fee, or penalty, or charge, or whatever, ask if they’ll take private printed foreign corporation debt notes. Federal Reserve Notes are I.O.Us – of the “Legal” tender variety.
You can’t pay a debt with a debt.
Article IV Sec. 34 – The Legislature shall have no power to pass any act granting any charter for banking
purposes; but associations may be formed, under general laws, for the deposite of gold and silver,
but no such association shall make, issue, or put in circulation, any bill, check, ticket, certificate,
promissory note, or other paper, or the paper of any bank, to circulate as money.
“Paper is poverty, it is only the ghost of money . .” Jefferson
Really wanna watch this but my internet is to slow to stream videos from FB… any chance this is on youtube.
Those play much better for some reason
Or downloadable for offline or an audio file?
Dottie Russel .
please edit for brevity.
Re : property values: u can request reassessment (property value review thru section 8)
++every year++
through the assesor’s office.
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Property Value Reviews
If you have evidence that your property is being taxed on a value that is higher than its current market value, contact the Assessor’s Office or download the 2018-2019 Informal Assessment Review (Proposition 8 Review) Form (PDF) Opens a New Window. .
You may sign the form and mail or fax the form back to the Assessor’s Office.
https://humboldtgov.org/232/Property-Value-Reviews
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The assessors know those requests are coming.
~but, but, but, what are T.H.E.Y. using/basing the TAX on? FRN’s.
I’m not saying that what you suggest, Anon, isn’t a good idea. It depends on where you are on the path. We must each choose our battles.
U provide comp sale data for
the lastt 6months-year. .
….all it takes is one or two lowball sales to bring EVERYONE’S value down .
Assessments are real time.
The old timers used to warn their younger generations to never have your property surveyed or reassessed, because your property lines will shrink and your taxes will go up.
I guess we’d have to ask those who applied for loans and had to have their property ‘evaluated’.
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Our government here in my 42 years of living here has become the most disgusting and hideous lot.truly shameful bunch of theives !!! Treasonous lot after the supreme court’s ruling. Derill churneys speach hit home — WE ARE NO LONGER FREE !!!! This batch of dictator theives is the very end of what the great rebels that started this country feared. Truly sad and disgusting!!!!
And for those of you who can’t see the bigger picture at stake here I feel for you and your lack of intelligence!!!!!
We haven’t been free for the last 20 years. 2050 will be only camps of slaves . Human management is real. We are to dumb to actually be “free”. This is where we as a society have come. Free stuff for your freedoms. Pretty ironic huh!
With respect, the irony seems to be lurking in your 4th sentence.
Open up our eyes
So we can realize
The things that THEY’ve been telling us
Are all a bunch of lies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXpYKe5oWRc
~i likie it.
“We’ll Know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” –William Casey, CIA Director (1981)
Theres no proof that was actually said by Casey.
It comes from only one source, and the claim that he said that is only a claim.
You probably should assume he didnt say it.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/1975-video-cia-admits-to-congress-the-agency-uses-mainstream-media-to-distribute-disinformation/5424860/amp
Theres a thousand articles on Casey’s testimony. Kind of boring.
What Central posted, and I’m telling you is false, has one source and one source only.
Casey never was quoted saying it, the others in the meeting where the source said it took place never have once confirmed it.
Go ahead, figure it out.
Did you even click the ” one source” link in your link to know it was broken?
Doubt it.
If you cared to look at the source then you’ll bring her up and I’m not going to give you a debrief on her and the disinformation she’s been involved with…look for yourself.
I’ve worked with her personally.
But believe whatever makes you feel safest.
I did read the source. I have no idea if Casey actually said it or not. The point of my link was congressional testimony where the implications of CIA actively engaging in spreading misinformation through domestic news sources is pretty clear; lending credence to the Casey quote.
Here’s the quote source and her comment on it:
https://www.quora.com/Did-CIA-Director-William-Casey-really-say-Well-know-our-disinformation-program-is-complete-when-everything-the-American-public-believes-is-false
No, it does not give credence to the quote.
In fact, if you look at his testimony and compare it to the made up quote, you’ll see two very different people talking.
The testimony is from a conservative, smart and reserved CIA director.
The made up quote sounds like….many a guests on Alex. Jones.
Not surprisingly, the source has been on his show repeatedly.
So, are you taking a stance that the CIA has not engaged in active disinformation campaigns in the USA using media outlets or simply that you doubt that William Casey actually said what was quoted?
http://carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php
https://arretsurinfo.ch/newly-declassified-documents-show-that-cia-worked-closely-with-owners-and-journalists-with-many-of-the-largest-media-outlets/
I never said anything other than to point out that the quote HumCo posted is not a quote.
I’ll add:
Continuing to spread it as a quote is more disinformative than the facts.
And, if you’re going to talk about disinformation, do it accurately, otherwise your the culprit.
Stop it….
Adding to a negative effect
Do you have anything more than your assertion?
The quora link above has a reasonable discussion on the truth if the quote (including comments from the source) but nobody can unequivocally deny that Casey said it.
So, were you at that meeting? Do you have a link to someone who was at that meeting in the Roosevelt Room in February of 1981?
http://911speakout.org/notes-on-barbara-honegger-fl/
Also
http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2006/12/barbara-psychic-munchkin.html?m=1
See if any of it strikes you.
The question is, with all the good evidence on CIA works, why include unverified bombastic quotes from such questionable sources?
Brian- Interesting links. Nothing that impugns Ms. Honegger. She definitely seems an oddball but has a lot of credentials to back her assertions. I thought both of your links addressed her claims reasonably and with the facts as they know them while conceding that their breadth of knowledge has limiting factors. Neither link addressed her quote on William Casey.
From your link “…she went to work in the late 1970s for a rising star named Martin Anderson at the Hoover Institute (where he remains as a Senior Fellow). She then followed Anderson to the White House as an assistant to join the Reagan-Bush transition team in 1980. Anderson advised Reagan on everything from foreign intelligence to education, finance, and arms control, probably worked for Bush sr., and during the Clinton Years focused on teaching classes at Stanford (home of the Hoover Institute and where Condi Rice was briefly provost). Anderson was later an advisor to George W. Bush in his 2000 presidential campaign, [2] and eventually became a member of Rumsfeld’s influential Defense Policy Board in 2001. [3] ”
“…in 1995 she was given a cushy job as Senior Military Affairs Journalist at the Naval Postgraduate School, which she holds till the present…”
For me, it is important to see that if someone asserts something as absolutely true they have something to back it up. And, even with that information, there is an understanding that regardless of how much we think we know, there are gaps in our knowledge and our presumption of ‘truth’ may be wrong.
“There are known knowns;
There are known unknowns;
There are unknown unknowns.”
-Donald Rumsfield
I’m glad you enjoyed them.
No, they dont address the Casey quote, because it’s a “he said, she said” situation. And he is dead.
So for most, at least with professional standards, that’s just not good enough for evidence of a bombastic quote that she says he said.
Regarding Rumsfeld.
I was with Cindy Sheehan and other Gold Star families being arrested in front of the White House during the 2006 midterm elections. We were there when Bush gave Rummy the boot.
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/washington-united-states-us-anti-war-activist-cindy-sheehan-news-photo/72440296
We strung the names and faces of fallen soldiers around the White House gates…
I met Col. Ann Wright. for the first time. Damn, she’s tough.
Unfortunately nothing changed with Rummy gone.
My point is, I wasn’t a victim of propaganda.
I gave my all to stop the Iraq war. More than many, quite frankly.
***Hahaaa, look, it’s me! Far right in this photo. Just found it online while retracing memories.
https://www.upi.com/News_Photos/view/upi/94036897d6ff358fad4035e70eff9159/GOLD-STAR-FAMILIES-FOR-PEACE-RALLY-AGAINST-WAR-IN-IRAQ/
“The testimony is from a conservative, smart and reserved CIA director.”
These people are not our friends.
They are part a larger agenda that relies on covert means to mask their operations.
CIA bringing drugs to the inner city and helping to fuel the crack cocaine epidemic is probably one of the worst things perpetrated on the minorities…in recent history.
Frankly tired if listening to your support for minorities, and showing the rest of us how you truly feel about the establishment neo-cons, and those who’ve destabilized too many democracies over the last 75 years and here you are, pointing out. ..
“The testimony is from a conservative, smart and reserved CIA director”… like his hands are clean.
Everyone understands what it takes to get to those positions, and truth is found in the most inconvenient places.
I don’t think you truly understand correlative behavior and that it doesn’t take a genius to connect the dots, given the history that is on record.
Yeah, they lie to everyone, in the name of national security…and useful idiots are those who tacitly support with campaigns that serve to infect the pursuit of truth, with tactics known and used by the establishment to keep the public unaware and unprepared.
That to me, is the definition of a Cointel operation.
Whether you are aware or not.
The persecution of whistle-blowers, is proof of where the agenda is.
Silencing those who expose the dark underside of these Agencies and programs.
That alone is a definition of authoritarianism, and combine that with the tools in the digital age, you will have people cheering to have those inconvenient voices silenced…
“Censored”
That is the most dangerous part of your righteous indignation…
Can you be more specific?
Me calling one person out for using a unverifiable quote from a questionable source turns into 4 others throwing me 14 accusations to discuss.
It’s a fascinating study on paranoia psychology.
It’s a study on people who just don’t see things the same way.
Native Americans, had a different view from the European Immigrants perspective.
Some of them found ways to work together, some were sworn enemies.
Looks like nothing has changed.
We are all individual people who have been raised with a set of values and beliefs from our families and our communities.
Then we get to experience the world on our own terms, while carrying the literal story of our ancestors in our very genetic code.
I see it differently because I was raised to be a sheep dog, and the predators are everywhere.
In my eyes you are trying to tell all the other sheep dogs here that there’s nothing to worry about. There’s no reason pay attention the growing packs of wolves on the perimeter.
Guard Dogs are an important part of living in an environment where predation has taken on a more nuanced and subtle means of attacking the herd.
I don’t like the way you respond to a few people here these forums.
You have proven yourself to be someone who may not have the herds best interest at heart…at least some of the herd.
It’s just my gut feeling about the way you carry yourself on these pages…the way you communicate as an antagonist…
Maybe you are just distracting other sheep dogs by trying to lure them away from the real threat… that makes your kind of thought patterns, dangerous to those who are speaking truth and asking questions about the wolves of the “management class”
I don’t play fetch with your type.
Do You Tell Guard Dogs They Are Paranoid?
I don’t think the care…
It’s my analogy, and I hope you understand it…
don’t taunt the guard dog …grrrr.
Sid, I’m allowing this one explanation of why you are so antagonistic to Brian.
But, I’m really tired of having to parse out what part of what you all are saying to each other falls on one side of the rule and what falls on another. At a certain point, you all are impairing my ability to get out news which is the primary purpose of this site. If you can’t regulate yourselves, I will ban you. I don’t want to. I keep hoping you all can be grownup enough to just discuss ideas and not get into personalities, but I’m not seeing that.
And unfortunately, this probably means that I will reluctantly ban you. I am expecting that to happen in the next day or two.
I kinda thought that was poetic…
I asked for specific.
You just tripled your rant.
I’m not even reading it.
Too long and no doubt it is likely making broad stroke accusations and assumptions.
SiD, I hope you don’t get yourself banned! All voices against this outrage of policies the state has slapped against everyone are needed.. Kym does have important work ahead of her. Maybe she can do an Article about the Supervisor raises, and the county profiting off of smart pot irradication with more time and resources… it’s not worth it to get banned over someone else’s righteous indignation! GLuck!
You and Sid, and anyone else, is welcome to use that term against me all day..
But remember; righteous is not wrong.
And indignant is frustrated.
So, I’ll continue to try to improve my frustrations.
But, at least, we know who’s right.
Have a wonderful day.
Keep studying with a smile!
I don’t think there was anything in there that violated the rules, but you do what you think is b est, Kym.
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I just encourage everyone to keep speaking their truth, and keep fighting the good fight.
Too many people want to be right for all the wrong reasons.
This country is misrepresented, by people with their own self serving interests.
The general public has little recourse but to figure it out how to live under someone else’s rules.
On many fronts, the battle is lost…
I’ve done my best to share with those who have eyes to see, ears to hear.
I didn’t mean to waste your time, or mine.
This was never about him or you.
There is a much larger battle to focus on.
Good luck.
Ok..TRB ..Who’s to say I was referring to your autocratic self righteous indignation? Fallacious self righteousness does not atune correctness…
But..It has been a wonderful day, TY..
Thanks for the laughs…
“Over 80 percent of the ‘intelligence’ that the analysis side of the CIA produced was based on open public sources like newspapers and magazines.” -Barbara
During OIG reports and spygate, we’ve learned about the 2 agencies (cee eye eigh) and the (eff bee eye) writing the articles, then using those published articles as ‘evidence’ for their warrants, like the FISA warrant (302’s?). The 2016 OIG report had a nice graphic showing the scheme they were using. I don’t think I explained that very well, sorry. But, the pattern… that was so obvious to some and so hidden to others… is finally exposed to all, so now it’s all in the hands of real criminal investigators I assume.
“In their propaganda today’s dictators rely for the most part on repetition, suppression and rationalization – the repetition of catchwords which they wish to be accepted as true, the suppression of facts which they wish to be ignored, the arousal and rationalization of passions which may be used in the interests of the Party or the State. As the art and science of manipulation come to be better understood, the dictators of the future will doubtless learn to combine these techniques with the non-stop distractions which, in the West, are now threatening to drown in a sea of irrelevance the rational propaganda essential to the maintenance of individual liberty and the survival of democratic institutions.”
Aldous Huxley, “Propaganda in a Democratic Society”
https://www.globalresearch.ca/1975-video-cia-admits-to-congress-the-agency-uses-mainstream-media-to-distribute-disinformation/5424860/amp 1975
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“I’ve worked with her personally.”
NEVER.
I wasn’t referring to you..
I worked with the quote source.
Great diversion though.
This needs to be repeated until it sticks to the mind of every kid In School, like the pledge of allegiance and the Alphabet.
#Warriors in the Garden
That’s a good find ULLR.
There’s always been a debate as to whether or not he literally said what he said in those exact words, but when we get to the end of the day, there is absolutely no debate as to whether or not the concept of what they were doing is summed up perfectly in that quote. The (what) summary, the (who) the summary was summing up, the (why) they be doing what they do, the (when) and etc also covered.
and, surprise surprise, the source link doesn’t work… page not found… probably means page censored/banned/hidden…. Oh well. At least they didn’t edit the page and leave a huge smear campaign about the source.
Sure, the CIA lets you guys expose the illuminati lasers on YouTube, but wont let a junky article link to a junkier source for some super duper secret reason…
Even though you can find the source anywhere on the internet through less junky resources than Global trashheap, I mean Global “research”.
Believe what makes you feel safest!
I feel so absolutely safe! Yeah.. Chuck freedoms of speech and access to information! Naaaw, that’s not needed! I mean, people can’t make up thier own mind.. No.. can’t be having that.. that’s fing DANGEROUS!
Corbett has another good one regarding the echo chamber. It’s only about 7-10 minutes long if I remember right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-1lc0pejEo
Democratic Candidate Tulsi Gabbard is suing google for campaign interference when they limited her for buying ad space after a successful debate. It’s not just conservatives that are feeling the censorship from google.. she says it all right there, it can be challenging to find the information your after at times!
https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/25/8930373/google-tulsi-gabbard-democratic-candidate-lawsuit-ad-search-ban-political-bias-debates
Ironically enough, most of the interviews about it are from Fox News…I am not a Fox fan, but it looks like they have the best interview with her!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFGAAa91U3o
Lol.. Her official statement and campaign, interesting candidate.. notice the very long link? Is that normal?
https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwji-tL_0d3jAhWH42QKHVOlDoYYABAAGgJwag&ae=1&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAASEuRoP0bKdUywKPNYP3ab0hOMSg&sig=AOD64_10nZkyjske64pG1lNOuxvSQDjTUw&q&adurl=https://www.tulsi2020.com/tulsi-vs-google?utm_source%3DGoogle%26utm_medium%3DCPC%26utm_campaign%3DTGvsGoogle%26gclid%3DEAIaIQobChMI4vrS_9Hd4wIVh-NkCh1TpQ6GEAAYASAAEgJUSPD_BwE&ved=2ahUKEwjvtMz_0d3jAhWMsJ4KHW31D40Q0Qx6BAgOEAE
To shorten the abnormal URL’s, try using the Bitly.com link shortener. https://bitly.com/
Correct, it’s not just ‘conservatives’, it’s anybody who ever said any thing that is related to any bit of liberty. haha, goo-ghoul is also changing the def of liberty, patriot, etc. YT won’t let the word Christian in the description tags. (next will be Monk’s, then Muslims, then etc). This is getting more and more ridiculous.
Yeh, there’s a lot of lawsuits forming and formed. The big ones are still lining up. 😀
shak @ 11:44 am yesterday,
“It’s not over till it’s over.” Yogi Berra
The people will determine victory or defeat.
“Yeh, there’s a lot of lawsuits forming and formed. The big ones are still lining up. 😀”
~you can bet your sweet bippy ! (60’s Laugh In).
Laugh in was a fun show, thanks for the flashback.
The censor regime is so busy censoring, they …. what’s that saying? Oh yes. Never interrupt an enemy while they are busy destroying themselves.
#theydontgiveanddamn
How can an exposure of an attempt to create disinformation be touted as proof of the success of disinformation?
lOOk around you.
I see laser-beamers, flat earthers, Columbine lies, Agenda 21ers, Admirality law-yers and fake Sandy Hookers.
But it’s not the CIA that is telling everyone about it every day here on RHBB.
Are you saying Agenda 21 isn’t real?
He said it was “stupid and a conspiracy theory”. He then posted a link from the SPLC.
NOT A NEUTRAL ORGANIZATION
https://www.thedailybeast.com/agenda-21-the-un-conspiracy-that-just-wont-die
While the name might sound a bit ominous, Agenda 21 is a voluntary action plan that offers suggestions for sustainable ways local, state and national governments can combat poverty and pollution and conserve natural resources in the 21st century….
…the program which is, again, not legally binding in any way
It wasn’t long after Agenda 21 was introduced that right-wing opposition began to swirl.
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And theres no fires in Ca.
Do you think the laser beam planes are just taking a year off?
Or do you think all the laser beamer agenda 21ers are wrong?
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qqvvp/agenda-21-the-official-conspiracy-theory-of-the-gop
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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qqvvp/agenda-21-the-official-conspiracy-theory-of-the-gop
Here are some things that real live American human beings actually believe about a boring UN document called Agenda 21:
-that it is a covert socialist plot to rob America of its freedom
-that it will result in the establishment of an Orwellian one-world government
-that it will do so under the auspices of encouraging “sustainability”
-that “sustainability” should always be placed in scare quotes
-that it will slowly allow the United Nations to exert control over American society
These are perhaps some of the most hilarious ideas ever conceived about a two-decades old, entirely non-binding framework that was adopted to little fanfare and signed by a Republican president.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21
NoLongerHumboldt,
~i checked who your Sheriff is, maybe you did too? Dave Daniel has a descent website. I don’t know when he became Sheriff. If he trained under Sheriff Gil Gilbertson – lucky you. You’re in a county who has an Oath Keeper Sheriff.
Sheriffs Stand TALL for the Constitution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4RuWK2Ww-4 1 hr. October 2011 -really, a must watch. It’ll make you vaklempt. I tried to get Downey to get up to Yreka for this meeting – but he just scoffed at me.
A21 is about as ‘volunteer’ as the unwritten contracts between the store owners and the mafia.
Destroy the people’s employment opportunities, then flash the binding grant to help ‘restore’ the broke county, state, city.
Wow.
The amount of evidence you just provided is overwhelming.
Like I keep having to say, believe what makes you feel safest.
ICLEI WAS WRITTEN INTO THE HUMBOLDT COUNTY GENERAL PLAN IN 2007. ADGENDA 21 IS ALIVE AND WELL. WE ARE SUBJECT TO REDUCING CARBON FOOTPRINTS AND CARBON TAXES WHILE THEY SPRAY OUR SKIES WITH TOXINS.
~if we’re not looking at the General Plan we’re not doing our homework.
The structure is the ultimate collective destination and organization of beings. I want no part of it.
Good find!
How to take our county back:
Petition the BOS to drop all ties to iclei and the un’s agenda 21.
Put together packets that explain the reasons why it’s important to drop them. Inform the people. Inform the BOS. Inform everyone.
(hint to skimming by-ers: the iclei has also been involved in the Cannabis regs and stuff. They’re into EVERY aspect of we the people’s lives and livelihoods).
CH, this might be another good place to drop your link to that Grindall61 episode about that town that took their power back last year.
~HISTORIC: HESPERIA BECOMES THE 1ST CITY TO OPT OUT OF SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY’S AGENDA 21 PROGRAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxAE5mlPEK4&t=4s 17 mins. October 2018
That’s the one. Thanks CH, (@11:31).
The info he shares is invaluable!
Who killed MLK?
What did James Douglass hear sitting through 30 days of the 1999 trial in Memphis?
Elements of local ,state, and federal government were responsible.
The question is why was there no national press there on the days when discovery dropped bombshells.
It’s called many things, but just because you can’t Google it, doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
People like to cast the conspiracy theory blanket far and wide, and that’s just as irresponsible as thinking you are solving anything by attempting to push a different confirmation bias.
The same reason why they won’t cover Macron and the others. https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1155780603213766656
If the people see or hear what’s REALLY going on…
“If the people see or hear what’s REALLY going on…”
~i feel the masses repel the peace train, the naysayers, the non-believers (in themselves). The masses who support the Order Follower$ -cheering them on, scary . . . makes me think of the Coliseum in Rome, and what it was built for . . .
Yep, and there are more good guys than bad, despite the media and multiple name posters’s attempts to make it sound the opposite.
~true enough. Many of us, but T.H.E.Y. are few.
I am hoping to keep us free of dead-end solutions in commerce.
Catchy tune isn’t it.
Funny isn’t it, how George HW Bush, the 11th director of Casey’s agency and huge NWO pusher, ended up becoming a potus. He pull a lot of strings or something?
” He pulled a lot of strings or something?”
Inbred psychos are ruling the wor(l)d.
http://www.lovethetruth.com/books/13_bloodlines/toc.htm
hahaha, too true. Verifiablely true.
Until now anyway.
Most have been fired, resigned, or … otherwise gone.
Gotta love having a curious george in office who always questioned the ‘govt’s’ explanations on major events over the years. It’s going to be a fun summer I think.
Oh, hey, I posted that (from a different site I think) a few months back, but never did finish reading it. Thanks for posting it and inspiring me to finish reading.
~not gone. I have a diagram with faces and names related, right up to present day. Too bad i don’t have the ‘want to learn’ motivation to post other than words.
Did you locate the Fairbanks Family connection.
No.
~i’m scouting out Constitutional Sheriffs and seeing how close in proximity they are to Humboldt.
Corey’s page is praised for being helpful to diggers. (I don’t have the right kind of computer set up to be able to dive. I’m more of a sharer of what others have found).
https://www.coreysdigs.com/resources/
Yeh, strings are everywhere.
~thanks for the link, shak.
Shout out to Anne D. In reference to that ancient reggae song you made 1000 comments ago. ” we don’t trouble your cane fields….if you continue to burn up the…..thanks Anne, I needed that. Rastafari
Reading threads here is like having Alex Jones and Rush Limbaughs inner thoughts on loudspeaker.
No one gets smarter, and everyone gets angry.
So stupid.
The H.C.S.O. M.E.T. has said before on a Kmud news interview that in there helicopters they can see on there computer witch parcels are legally permitted and witch ones are not how come the National Guard Blackhawk helicopters don’t have the same technology or do they ? I would also like to mention that since all the Coast Gaurd and Law Enforcement gets to step up there technology to Black Hawks Helicopters so they can see at night it would be real nice if they could use that same technology to apprehend criminals in home invasions and Cannabis Farm strong arm robberies .
This technology has been available for about 5 years or so and as you describe it can overlay GIS over live video in a HuD (Heads up Display) for the pilot, or a simply screen in the craft. I’m one of the inventors on the patent (patent #9215383). We initially invented it for graphics overlays at televised sporting events. The Americas Cup was it’s first use.
Our helicopter pilot for the AC also flew for utilities and told us we had a product utility companies could readily utilize (right of way information is overlayed on top of the live video from the heli-cam).
Municipalities are also starting to utilize this technology as it allows police helicopters to overlay address info etc. over the camera output. Imagine the pilot seeing a suspect run into a house and being able to immediately give those on the ground the address, etc.
The downside is that it’s a very expensive system at more than a million bucks a pop. The adoption of such will continue to grow, but currently it’s something you’ll find on a utility company helicopter rather than a National Guard rig.
JB
Fascinating comment, thanks JB.
DEA, then SWAT, now MET.
BOLIVIA ENDS WAR ON DRUGS BY BANNING DEA FROM COUNTRY
https://newspunch.com/bolivia-war-drugs-ban-dea/ 2016
FORMER SEATTLE POLICE CHIEF WORKING TO END THE WAR ON DRUGS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1MBrUMauak
comment: “Ironic that they have caused complete lack of control over drug use.”
If you want to hear the whole 3 hrs of the CLMP show at the Mateel it’s on the KMUD archives………..
Nobody cries PTSD when the fire helicopters and water bombers are flying overhead…
This is simple, it’s referred to as “pay to play”. Your permit from the county is gonna cost around 10k per year for 10000 sq ft. You now have to get your county completed before the state. That’s a drop in the hat compared to what one can make growing 10k sq ft. of pot. Even with lower prices.
That buys piece of mind. No abatement notices, no raids, just stick to your plot plan and you get years to bring things up to code. Really one is just investing in their land by making it more valuable as things are improved.
Pay to play…quit whining
I think people just don’t like the denial of access and red tape and everything else to save a frog, fish, salamander.
Don’t get me wrong, those species don’t pay for shit in this pay to play scheme, and personality I like the little guys…
Let’s see how the petro chemical pharmaceutical companies are literally blanketing the earth with toxins sold by the gallon.
Who fukin put so much glyphosate in the ground water in. CALIFORNIA?
Not the herb farmers, but massive scale industry.
I think the problem is the lack of concern for the middle class of any country getting bent over and blocked from playing this rich man’s game.
Too many examples to point out, but it’s the exorbitant cost, in the front end, which is exactly the purpose of the regional planners out of Sacramento.
Most people don’t mind reasonable fees and permits, that’s been established as a part of business in Kali fonia…
Umm. Yeah.. Calfire is not circling homesteads like vultures! And yeah, it is actually kinda scary when there is a big fire in your neighborhood! Knowing that Calfire is there to Stop your neighborhood from burning down, is a welcome noise! And usually they are not right above your head like the Big Bad wolf ready to blow the dang house down! Big difference!
Estelle told a friend of mine that it would be about $20,000 for him to go legal.
He’s doing it and has paid $100,000 so far.
He doesn’t recommend anyone doing it and if he could do it over he wouldn’t try.
But he’s all in so he continues.
Good luck navigating the vicissitudes of the government…
Mendo is just as convoluted and difficult as Humco to comply.
(The abatements are just vicious.)
I think it’s absolutely ridiculous John Fords excuse why he and the county don’t want to or can not make a small cannabis or medical collective amendment to the ordinance.. ‘Because we want them to be able to get a state permit’ Vuckin Bull manure!!! Santa Barbra got TONNAGE.. SANTA BARBRA GOT 140 Acre grows… No problem, Santa Barbra got to stack liscenses.. without issue.. The state abolished the 1 Acre cap, no hesitation.. But for some outlandish reason the County can not put forward a simple small Cultivator Permit, or make it affordable.. That’s a LIE! And a lame excuse for a gov. Official!
$10,000 for a small canabiss permit? Hog wash! And that is just starting, and the counties “fee” before they keep finding more manure to charge you for! A small vineyard Permit.. $500.00. Yeah.. Some counties, a small cultivators license $1500.00 for a permit.. the county has control over options they can offer people…They want to Lie and extort people for profit..
And it’s such a waste of energy! To have to fight the county over hyped up convolution! Again and Again..
Some of my close friends, They just put up like a 180 Acre Hemp farm in Fing Missouri! Hemp.. for concrete..
But “Dumboldt” can’t get It’s act together to make the permitting process affordable or easier.. I call hog wash!
Oh, but the Gangsta, water shed destroyers.. Permit them the Hell up.. Yeah.. So so stupid..
My friend just arrived in Indiana for the same
That’s really cool! Hemp for Fiber has arrived!
See main thread for my response to SmallFry
That’s 2.
2 fascinating and incredibly informative comments you’ve made on this thread.
Thanks for sharing.
Humboldt County officials, your permitted farms are still selling black market and being bad neighbors. Please police the ones you have given a green light to and leave the food growing in smartpots alone!
FDA Responds to Three GRAS Notices for Hemp Seed-Derived Ingredients for Use in Human Food
https://www.fda.gov/food/cfsan-constituent-updates/fda-responds-three-gras-notices-hemp-seed-derived-ingredients-use-human-food December 2018
Xotic Flavorz!!!!!
Well, if you have to ban them, go for it,
but they don’t bother me.
However I have the luxury of just scrolling through
the steaming piles of verbiage your commenters spew.
You, however, have to read every word.
Ouch…
I really have just one question for anyone…. Did anything positive come from this “so called” meeting?? Were any concerns of the residences answered or even a maybe? well maybe two questions. Did these gang of 3 do this meeting on their community service time or are they on salary?
“Anything positive come from this “so-called meeting?”
~if i say lying bags of excrement – it gets deleted. So, i’ll just say that listening to them spew rhetorical vomit got old quick. The guy that had the court case from the 80s brought up how low helicopters can fly. Honsal said he wanted to read it. From what i could gather about helicopters flying so low over permitted grows and no grows, like over the speaker’s grandmother’s home, and flattening rows of vegetables, Honsal implied that the helicopters do not have the plot plans that tell them where what is growing.
It was so hot there -compared to forest living. When Honsal arrogantly, unconstitutionally, unlawfully and immorally said – “If you have a permit, you don’t have to be afraid,” i left.
Bonnie Blackberry stood her ground. She asked pertinent questions.
They’re salary positions.
Thank you, kinda what I expected. Glad I didnt go. Didnt want to be under facial recognition anyway. I am sure they have me at most gas stations..etc etc etc
~actually, i enjoy seeing them squirm when i’m in the room :-)) I had copies of public recorded documents of mine and the last one – Notice Concerning Enlargement of Foreign Jurisdiction and Occupation of Mercenaries Due to a Sheriff Not in the Republic – and was wishing i had brought a guy with me – Hailstone from Trinity County has been with me before. Also, the Highway Robbers offering to contract between Redway and 36 . . . i just don’t want any possible encounter when i’m by myself.
SmallFry: // “I think it’s absolutely ridiculous John Fords excuse why he and the county don’t want to or can not make a small cannabis or medical collective amendment to the ordinance.. ‘Because we want them to be able to get a state permit’ Vuckin Bull manure!!! Santa Barbra got TONNAGE.. SANTA BARBRA GOT 140 Acre grows… No problem, Santa Barbra got to stack liscenses.. without issue..” //
Small world syndrome. His point that it’s very hard to get through the Humboldt County process because that’s what it takes to stand up to State scrutiny is born out by the numbers.
Santa Barbara had the most State license applications of any of the counties (about 15% more than Humboldt). As of this morning there have been only 192 State annual cultivation licenses issued – state wide. These 192 are the ones whose County (or City) CEQA reviews have been properly completed as determined by the State (it’s the Counties that do the CEQA, not the State — the State merely checks it for compliance).
In spite of the fact that Humboldt County has a FAR harder physical environment for meeting CEQA (dominantly mountains and woodland conversions vs. dominantly open, current farmland), and less applicants than SB, want to take a guess as to how many of the entities in Humboldt vs Santa Barbara have made it through the full State licensing process?
Santa Barbara? … 2 (yes, that’s a two)
Humboldt? … 68 entities, 121 licenses
That’s 121 of 192 full State licenses that are Humboldt County.
In spite of the millions of dollars that the large growers have to throw at the CEQA process, the State has not approved a SINGLE mega grow in Santa Barbara for an annual license.
Santa Barbara (the County) got greedy and made it easy for mega growers to get a *County* license (which at the time meant an automatic State Temp). Most of these County licenses have been unable to even get through to a State Provisional license process. (SB County says 77% have failed totally and are dead). Nearly none of them have yet been able to get through the full State licensing process.
Humboldt, based on their near 35 to 1 ratio success rate vs SB county, has clearly taken a different tack to SB and while it may seem like a hard ass wringer, it’s clearly working.
Humboldt knows how to get licensees through the CEQA process in a way that stands up to State standards. Santa Barbara is struggling
I do understand how most who haven’t done the research blame the county (and I’m sure the county isn’t blameless), but this CEQA stuff is the shits, and unless your County plays the hardass, you can’t get through State.
So, I am seriously wondering how “traditional farm land” could fail the CEQA? That is only a matter of time before Santa Barbra Figures it out.. and gets “tougher” Besides how large were the Grows they put through? Wasn’t one of them like 140 Acre’s or something? That’s probably as many acres as all the triangle put together! As far as Acre to Acre comparison goes, I am curious the #’s? . .. It’s true, I am not a consultant, I don’t know the #’s and I contest the permits, soo.. I am not an expert in thier permit “language” or process, other than the fact, I think it’s a hoax.. But yeah, the state and CEQA expectations are seriously DUNG!
I am still fairly certain that the counties set the Fees to permitting, and the permit fees here in Humboldt for a small farmer are nothing short of exploitation!
I am still fairly certain that if Humboldt was to come up with a simplified small cannabis cultivation permit, that the state would accept it.. the problem is, the county only goes to bat for large cultvators, at the expense of small craft farms..
It’s still a lousy exuse, they will throw any exuse at us they can to justify thier means, and promote their big $$$ Adgenda! Bottom line..
Lois Capps daughter on Santa Barbara is running for supervisor.
People are pissed and lookin to get anti pot back in the supes seat.
// “So, I am seriously wondering how “traditional farm land” could fail the CEQA?”//
There around 16-19 (depending on how you divide them) studies/considerations that must be considered and documented to pass CEQA:
They include:
1: Aesthetics
2: Air Quality
3: Biological resources
4: Cultural resources
5: Geology and Soils
6: Greenhouse gasses
7: Hazards and hazardous materials
8: Hydrology and water quality
9: Land use and planning
10: Mineral resources
11: Noise
12: Population and housing
13: Public Services
14: Recreation
15: Transportation and traffic
16: Tribal cultural resources
17: Utilities and service systems
Each of those items must be studied in the context of the ‘project’ no matter how silly it is. This is how you can end up needing a $10k sensitive/rare plant study on regularly tilled and farmed soil or a $5K traffic impact study to consider how many trips to town will be needed to buy trimming scissors for the Cottage grow.
CEQA was specifically triggered by Prop 64 – it can’t be avoided (traditional farming does not trigger it).
Tradition farm land can fail for any one of those reasons above. For instance, the visual impacts of the hoop houses are being fought tooth and nail in SB county right now. The air quality (odors) are a regular challenge/fail point. Traffic (cannabis is an extremely high labor crop currently with many employees) is regularly a challenge point. Water usage and water quality same.
Add in the DFW and the Water Boards and it’s downright crazy.
Example: Our farm has surface water rights of 11,000,000 gallons (36 acre feet) PER DAY that have been deeded to the farm since the 1800s. We can spew this water any which way we want for any damn crop we want in any wasteful way we wish … except for cannabis. We can’t use a SINGLE drop for cannabis.
We had to have a study done to ensure that our 1 acre cannabis farm (entire fenced area, not canopy) didn’t impact the migratory patterns of the local deer in spite of the fact we’re a one acre parcel in the middle of a +400 acre farm. Of course we can fence anything, anytime for any other crop because it doesn’t trigger CEQA.
// “That is only a matter of time before Santa Barbra Figures it out.. and gets “tougher”//
I agree, but your claim was that Humboldt made it hard for no reason while Santa Barbara made it easy — and was getting mega-grows through with “no issues”. Turns out it’s hard *everywhere* because the State has made it hard. Any county that tries to jump the gun (as SB did) is learning that they now have to come up to the standards that Humboldt has been executing all along.
// “Besides how large were the Grows they put through? Wasn’t one of them like 140 Acre’s or something?”//
Yep, and not one week after the LA Times did that story, that farm went from being the biggest in the State to being the biggest busted farm in the state (and totally out of business).
It’s really HARD to get a big grow past CEQA. The biggest so far is only 3% of that 140 acres (less than 4).
// “I am still fairly certain that the counties set the Fees to permitting, and the permit fees here in Humboldt for a small farmer are nothing short of exploitation!”//
Humboldt has some of the lowest fees and lowest cannabis taxes in the entire state — and often by a quite a large margin. Remember, whenever CEQA is triggered, large hours are required by the county staff for each project (the County acts as the ‘lead agency’ when it comes to CEQA).
// “I am still fairly certain that if Humboldt was to come up with a simplified small cannabis cultivation permit, that the state would accept it..”//
Nope. Prop 64 triggers CEQA, DFW and Water Boards. There is no “simplified permit” that can get ANY cannabis cultivator around this.
// “… the problem is, the county only goes to bat for large cultvators, at the expense of small craft farms..”//
That is certainly the case at the State level. When they removed the acreage cap, little guy was toast.
Humboldt is doing so much with so little. Farmers there don’t have the millions that SB farmers have. The County doesn’t have the massive revenue that SB has. All that and yet they are the ones who have managed to dominate the full permit numbers (121 of 192). This really should be a celebration of how committed and tough the Humboldt cultivators are — as well as some credit to the county for getting those folks through the system in a way that the State is awarding full licenses.
A hatefest just isn’t going to serve Humboldt. Change is hard. You guys have rocked stage one ahead of everyone. Tough bunch up there. Kudos.
https://reason.com/2019/04/18/could-this-california-environmental-law-be-the-cannabis-industrys-silent-killer/
~i don’t think the 1% lunatic fringe ever considered the world wide web as the formidable information distribution and sharing center, to become what it is. That the “one, or two men in a million” would be capable of putting the pieces of the picture puzzle together.
Edward Mandell House had this to say in a private meeting with Woodrow Wilson (President) [1913-1921] (the creep prez. who signed in the Federal (not) Reserve (none) Banksters in 1913)
“[Very] soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a National system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a chargeback for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer not being able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be non the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two would figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor or to this fraud which we will call “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner; every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America.”
Where can I find more information on this.
This sounds like a real find.
Sounds well planned out to me, considering the motto ‘global equality’.
I Know! “We’re in a tight spot”!
Star One research there, JB. Thanks so much for sharing this.
It just seems like CEQA is possibly having the opposite effect of its design…In Humboldt it seems like many large Environmentally destructive grows are getting the permits, while essentially locking out many of the more ecologically minded smaller cultivators out of the permit process.. Exactly how was the “CEQA” process linked to cannabis specifically? Was it the suggestion of the county?
It seems like extreme overkill to initiate CEQA over small gardens.. Larger grows, I am not necessarily opposed. It just seems like CEQA has been used to target and push out small cultivators.. And yeah, it’s very ridiculous on 1 Acre on 400 as well! And wow, not one drop of water on Cannabis.. How do you stand for that?
Sure Hatefest are ugly, but people should be mad as hell and demand answers and change! Change is difficult, however, that doesn’t mean that cannabis cultivators should allow the regulators to be unjustifiable menaces! Or a hinderance to the future of cannabis success!
Thankyou for sharing that info, JB, lots of info even if I don’t agree w/ the process!
// “It just seems like CEQA is possibly having the opposite effect of its design” //
You are absolutely correct and I’ll give you a personal example:
Our (in process) grow facility is on a +400 acre and +100 yo livestock and alfalfa farm. Give that river bottom soil, country air and great sun are sort of useful in growing plants, we assumed that getting an outdoor permit would be straight-forward, and yet we kept running into great pain.
As our year and a half process dragged on, we finally straight-up asked the Water Board and DFW (as they were standing on-site IN THE MIDDLE of our agriculture field), “What’s the easiest fastest permit to get … indoor, greenhouse, outdoor?” Oh, there was no doubt they responded … indoor, and not JUST indoor, but sealed indoor with an asphalt or concrete floor. In other words, NOT using the soil, air and sun was the easiest permit to get through CEQA. (and so that’s how we started).
The fact that in the middle of an existing farm, it’s easier to get CEQA approval to put up a new building, cover over the soil with petroleum products, burn bright lights and run air conditioners than it is to pop seeds and grow plants outside tells you how fucked up the system is.
Very true.
I’ll give you another example of how counterproductive these environmental rules are:
Again, +400 acre farm with less than 1/4 acre canopy. We got tired of trying to meet their composting requirements for our waste and instead haul it up to the County transfer station.
Literally, easier to use fuel to haul it to the station, and then THEY use fuel haul it wherever and then use fuel at the landfill to spread it around than to use it in our garden as mulch.
The unintended consequences of poorly thought out environmental rules
Crazy stupid.
Governing is a bitch.
And slightly Evil…
“Most of us turn a blind eye. It’s a good way of surviving, you get to keep your job, you might feel guilty but you can forget about it,”
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-couch/201808/why-we-love-hate-whistleblowers
If you lOOk, at E. MANDELL HOUSE suggested quote to President Wilson
https://freedompool.org/house%20quote.html
There’s nothing “slightly evil” about it.
It’s simply they way the power structure has always wanted to operate. There are many people banging on the doors trying to get into the club, but you have to prove your salt by creating, perpetrating, or protecting the system that has knowingly set about enslaving the human body, mind, and spirit for the benefit of the elite.
We have been so thoroughly neutered.
We truly represent very little threat as individuals.
So they keep us focused on petty, day to day inconveniences.
That is the ultimate challenge to maintaining independence, autonomy, and sanity in an overbearing, top
down surveillance state.
Transparent California is a wonderful tool to show you why working for the state, with the pension and benefit packages, means people will follow orders, because they like their comforts of a guaranteed income.
Makes sense that the government would create such a difficult and overlapping systems of permitting, so as to give the power to deny opportunity to those who want an independent lifestyle.
This is an important role of keeping the power out of the hands of the people.
People who work for the government should be susceptable to economic crisis, so they don’t feel isolated by throwing a monkey wrench into our inalienable rights.
This is the more nuanced perspective of the NEO FUEDAL SYSTEM.
You can’t continue to grow government on the backs of the hardest working people on the planet.
Who stands up to tell the government NO!?
Just look at the attack on whistleblowers.
https://blog.whistleblowersecurity.com/blog/why-are-whistleblowers-under-attack
// ” Exactly how was the “CEQA” process linked to cannabis specifically? Was it the suggestion of the county?” //
No, the counties had nothing to do with it. It was mandated by Prop 64
I call it “paying for the sins of our fathers” — it really was the horrible environmental damage wrought by the greenrush crowd that drove the requirement triggering these CEQA reviews.
//”It just seems like CEQA has been used to target and push out small cultivators.”//
That certainly IS the result, but where you and I differ is that with the understanding of all the State mandated CEQA requirements, I realize that it isn’t an intentional thing on a local level. John Ford had zero option when it comes to forcing EVERY cultivator through the maze of hoops — even when he knows that most of the small farmers will get drowned. I’m not pretending Humboldt makes all the correct decisions here, just that along with the cultivators, they’ve been given a shit hand to play.
// “And yeah, it’s very ridiculous on 1 Acre on 400 as well! And wow, not one drop of water on Cannabis.. How do you stand for that?”//
We’re fortunate in that in addition to all the deeded surface water rights, the farm also sits on an overflowing aquifer (there are artesian springs on the farm). This aquifer is ranked such by the CASGEM system (CA groundwater monitoring) that we can use all the ground water we wish with no issue or oversight. As I said, we’re fortunate.
// “Sure Hatefest are ugly, but people should be mad as hell and demand answers and change! Change is difficult, however, that doesn’t mean that cannabis cultivators should allow the regulators to be unjustifiable menaces! Or a hinderance to the future of cannabis success!”//
I agree, but it’s only productive if we have to take it out where the blame lies, and focus on where change CAN occur. Burning Ford at the stake will change nothing — he didn’t make this mess, he’s just trying to figure out a way to get people through it and he has had more success at it than anyone in the state so far.
Sadly, 64 being a voter initiative, it can only be changed via another voter initiative. Don’t fool yourself into thinking otherwise — there is no other practical option (that’s a legal statement, not one of opinion — short of a civil war that’s not going to happen over cannabis, there is no other option).
JB,
Great experience-knowledge shared in here. Much gratitude.
John Ford of about three years here and, the rest of the top-heavy cartel of vacant offices* Knowing they are Not the Legislature, Knowing that EVERY form of taxation requires a ballot vote and, therefore, by not adhering to the Rules of Order, are notwithstanding.
Like Rumpelstiltskin, the Great Awakening can’t be stopped.
*no Bond on file to cover their lie-ability by necessity voids their Oath(s). T.H.E.Y. are not in the Republic, otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation. <3
I Am a living being, not a corporation or lost on the sea of commerce. An eye-witness with first-hand knowledge, and if called to testify, I Will state facts for evidence with documents of public record.
I think what JB illustrates is that propositions are rarely read in their entirety. Most of the regulations were obviously written in to the prop 64, and amended by the state, meant to create the unenviable process of jumping through every hoop of every agency,
“to grow a plant”
That plant of the people.
The control mechanism is in the hands of regulatory agencies, which by default, excludes the majority of the people.
It’s no accident.
The nutritional supplement industry has been working on creating legislation that would essentially prevent small,under funded, businesses from successfully navigating the testing requirements by making them so cost prohibitive, only the ones who can afford it, can engage.
I think we are distracted by all the actors on the stage, and unaware of the playwrights and his benefactors.
#ROOT CAUSE
// “I think what JB illustrates is that propositions are rarely read in their entirety.” //
Spot on, and even more rarely understood.
It’s a serious flaw in the initiative process that the average person who votes on it hasn’t a single clue as to the details.
In this case, the details were written (probably intentionally) in such a way as to sound like it was for the little guy, but to both choke them off AND allow the ‘end around’ on any acreage limits.
Own goal.
Capps gonna shut it down. Too many uppity people looking to pull the ladder up.
A pat on the back and a tip of the hat to all who attended and especially to those who spoke up. All of them did great.
If you don’t like the fines, we can always raise them if you prefer. Did I hear that right? Was that a threat to sit down and stfu? (btw, Cheney did fantastic, until he heard that, then it got all kissy kissy).
Who decides which parcel out of the 100 surrounding unpermitted parcels to target? The parcel map has their data I assume. Whoever spoke up for the constitution or against the BOS or non-elected Sheriff gets a date with the NG? Why is the ONE targeted?
I’m sorry, but there wasn’t much of anything comforting for the people, except the ‘tones’ of voices that were pleasant. Kudos for that.
Kudos for declaring that the choppers must have their lights on and the Number showing.
Kudos for declaring that the uniformed must have their badges and names in plain sight.
That Ford guy though… ‘There’s not very many huge grows anymore, so we’re going after the smaller unpermitted grows’. (paraphrased, but close enough). Plus a few more things that made me stand up and yell “You’re FIRED!”.
And they have the nerve to call the people the ‘greedy’ ones.
Sheriff is okay with that BS?
P.S. Everything I’ve written was in a very pleasant tone of voice.
So,”legalization” really meant criminalization for longtime SoHum growers.
So, the typical helicopters buzz treetops to let you know they are there, supposedly to catch the still-“criminal” growers, while below the copters, all kinds of hard drugs make their way into North Coast communities and not much is done about them, unless you actually consider the HCDTF is capable of going after the hard-drug dealers — especially those who fund them.
So, the typical helicopters buzz treetops to catch those not signed up and registered in the money-gobbling bureaucratic machine, while below the copters are those who throw out rat poison like candy at the Rhododendron parade and pollute the ground, groundwater and waterways with over-use of phosphates and/or no regard for the environment.
So, the typical helicopters buzz treetops, so that the decent longtime growers become fearful while below the copters fly over organized crime — be it from Eastern Europe or San Jose, or wherever, with no roots in the community.
Why not focus on environmental polluters, organized crime, those who degrade the environment, and those who finance the supply and distribution of hard drugs in North Coast communities — whether such businesspersons are from Humboldt County or from cartels in Mexico?
To me, the choice is clear; to the Humboldt County sheriff, he’s just repeating what I saw 30 years in Garberville and SoHum. I thought it was a mistake then; I think it is now. RAMBO cops got a lot of overtime bucks. They’re now laughing at you from where they now live in Idaho — a quasi-white supremacist stronghold.
All the CAMP raids, all the illegal asset-forfeiture seizures didn’t put a small dent in the market for marijuana. It remains to be seen if this effort will have a lasting effect on already suffering longtime decent growers.
SoHum should be thankful it still has the Civil Liberties Monitoring Project.
And I’m “conservative,” but it doesn’t blind me to the injustice.
To Sheriff slash Coroner Honsal,
IF YOU WON’T STAND FOR HUMBOLDT, DON’T CALL HER YOUR COUNTY.
Jon Lopey, Siskiyou County Constitutional Sheriff. Del Norte’s url is countydotstatedotfed –i don’t go to those websites. If Dean Wilson is still Sheriff, he’s an Oath Keeper. Note: The County of Humboldt’s Ag. Commissioner Jeff Dolf, is also Ag. Commissioner in Del Norte and Trinity Counties. Trinity WAS the only county in the Emerald Triangle who had a Constitutional Sheriff. Shasta’s Tom Bosenko is an Oath Keeper Sheriff and he’s Not claiming to be a Coroner. Gregg Hagwood in Plumas County is Sheriff/Coroner. Sheriff Dave Hencratt in Tehema County is a Constitutional Sheriff and Not a Coroner. Sheriff Greg Growden, not Coroner, in Lassen County, is an Oath Keeper and his wife is the NRA/Gunsmitthing and POST Coordinator for Lassen College (gotta love that!). Also, Sheriff Glen Palmer in Grant County, Oregon, stands for his county and doesn’t claim a Coroner’s position.
~imHumboldtO, if and or when the fit hits the shan, with a full tank of petrol, head for one of the above counties.
Cognitive Liberty. A first step towards a human neuro-rights declaration
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/c715/c8d01d5d0d549bd68f1b17df6357a58b29d8.pdf
ABSTRACT: This paper discusses the emerging debate concerning the concept of Cognitive Liberty and its connection with human rights.
There is no debate. My neurons, My private property. Period.
All inalienable rights, defined or undefined, are our existing rights.
The pdf is hinting at turning God given inalienable rights, what God giveth no man can take away, into ‘man decreed CIVIL rights’. What govt giveth, govt can take away.
WTF
~oh crap. I was taken by the tinsel words.
I’m sorry, shak. Thanks tho. I’ll be better.
No problem. We’ve all been there and it’s important to watch each other’s backs. It’s impossible to catch everything, we’re only human.
shak @3:04 yesterday,
You’re probably right – no, you are right. Focusing on the economics of it all is based on such fallacy, that it defeats the purpose. The material world does that to us. The idolatry worship of $ (fiat money at that), the digits on a screen, aren’t a part of the spiritual equation.
“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled”. Mark Twain
How it’s supposed to be will pull the foundational belief carpet right out from under the peeps. Post Traumatic Slave Disorder will abound. As this story goes in here . . the level of smarts is higher and higher – no pun intended. (i could be prejudice)
People Know in their very bones what is repugnant. It doesn’t have to be written d o w n. The answers are within. Most keep looking outside themselves to their perceived rulers (pretend external authority), to tell them what to do, what to think, when to plant and when to reap.
“Why did the Constitution separate the Senator from the rest of the mess? Why did the rest of the mess unconstitutionally change that law?”
You know why. Swipe the power from the governed to the Government (govern=control. mente = L mind).
“Why do the Senators and the rest of the mess now support each other?”
T.H.E.Y. share the same bed and bloodlines. RH neg.
“What does protecting the state’s sovereignty mean?”
~the state is not sovereign. We, the People are. We are born ‘clothed’ in sovereignty.
Why are they trying to tax & control the air we breathe, the water we use, the food we grow, the clothes we wear, the shelters we build, the property we own… ?
You know this too – reduce the population from 7 billion to 500 million – it’s written in stone in Georgia. Satanic? Ya think? This is a fight for our souls, for Mother Earth, for survival of Nature. We’re in unchartered waters, to put it mildly. We’re facing extinction in the very near future and the masses are unaware. More are awakening every day.
//“Which amendments are repugnant to the Constitution?” // Or, which amendments didn’t get ratified by the Rule of Law?”
~from the 14th on. The 13th, as you may know, is why the Brits. burned the white house down. To get the original. It has been found in recent years, in several state’s archives – ratified all up and proper. It’s the no BAR BARs in public office Amendment.
“What will it take to turn things back to how it’s supposed to be?”
STOP the death dumps in the sky, stop the needle injections, let go of the weapon of mass deception – tell-lie-vision -the list is endless, shak.
All the Leaves Are Brown and the Sky is Gray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_bMqWk6cG0 12 mins July 31
-tomorrow is another day. Gotta catch some Zs.
Spot on CH, spot on.
“…The second mechanism for term limits our founders gave were actually stripped away by the 17th Amendment in 1913, when this country fell for a “pernicious design to subvert liberty.” Not my words, but words of our founding fathers. The government was originally designed to have our US Senators appointed by the state legislatures. This was intended to protect each state’s power by having direct representation in Congress. By direct, our founders meant that each Senator that was appointed was subject to automatic recall by the Legislature if the Senator was not performing his duties appropriately….” –KrisAnne Hall, proud to be listed on the hateful splc’s hate list just for sharing knowledge about the constitution.
https://krisannehall.com/index.php/resources/articles/227-what-we-need-to-know-about-term-limits
Senators no longer represent the state. They represent their own agendas and the agendas of the corrupt legislators.
With that said, what about all the other ‘appointees’ the legislators created? They must have the power of authority to recall any and all of their appointees, despite their ‘oh, but there’s nothing I can do about the ‘regulators’ we unconstitutionally appointed’.
Food for thought.
Epiphany … we should know the badges giving blood what their blood type is. For that matter, WHY don’t each one of us know our own blood type? mushrooms.
ttyl
That’s a general blanket thought. What about the family members who couldn’t handle it all and who then devoted their lives to whistleblowing and helping people escape their claws?
haha, You must be over the target too often, CH. Check out this article that’s popular on the net right now.
“The FBI appears to be bracing for Spygate backlash because they said another factor driving the so-called threat is “the uncovering of real conspiracies or cover-ups involving illegal, harmful, or unconstitutional activities by government officials or leading political figures.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/wow-fbi-caught-using-far-left-websites-wikipedia-and-snopes-as-sources-for-junk-report-on-deep-state-conspiracy-theories/
wikipedia and snopes . . .
I have another idea for scoping out the devil doers – take a digital picture of them, or their house, there won’t be any orbs in the pictures.
I know right! That cracked me up too. It’s not surprising either, considering the schemes they’ve used previously. (sending articles and info to places like that and to lame stream media, so they can then use the ‘published material’ as evidence for case building).
LAWSUIT FILED: SEVENTEENTH AMENDMENT NOT RATIFIED
By: Devvy Kidd
October 12, 2014 http://www.NewsWithViews.com Where reality shatters illusion
From the 14th so-called amendment on – Not ratified.
“Sadly, the American people go on about their daily lives oblivious to the fact that they are quite likely being governed by laws and constitutional amendments that were passed in violation of that constitution.”
http://newswithviews.com/the-underhanded-skullduggery-to-pass-the-14th-amendment/
Shotgun weddings were so popular, they decided to do a few shotgun amendments it seems.
The X22report is excited about something, check them out. 🙂
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-documents-conspiracy-theories-terrorism-160000507.html
From above ping link, “Hashish Growers w/in the Emerald Triangle …”
“This authorities is popping all us hippies into Libertarians!”
~a step in the right direction.
The Greatest Thinker You’ve Never Read: Ludwig von Mises
Forbes https://bit.ly/2My83UE
https://mises.org/
“Quite a few presidential candidates endorse some type of legalization.”
~been there, done that.
“Even the US Senate is contemplating a hashish banking invoice.”
~need I say more?
Kym, i don’t mean to post this twice -i’m confused on what thread to post it on .
From ping link, “Hashish Growers w/in the Emerald Triangle …” :
“This authorities is popping all us hippies into Libertarians!”
~a step in the right direction.
The Greatest Thinker You’ve Never Read: Ludwig von Mises
Forbes https://bit.ly/2My83UE
https://mises.org/
“Quite a few presidential candidates endorse some type of legalization.”
~been there, done that.
“Even the US Senate is contemplating a hashish banking invoice.”
~need I say more?