Attorney General Becerra Files Brief in Supreme Court in Support of Sierra Club in Border Wall Case
President Donald Trump reviewing U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s wall prototypes on the border in Otay Mesa, California. The President was joined by Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, CBP Acting Commissioner Kevin McAleenan, Acting U.S. Border Patrol Chief Carla Provost and San Diego Sector Chief Patrol Agent Rodney Scott. [Photo posted by President Donald Trump]
California Attorney General Xavier Becerra today, along with New Mexico Attorney General Hector Balderas, filed an amicus brief in the U.S. Supreme Court supporting the Sierra Club and opposing the Trump Administration’s attempt to overturn an injunction issued by the district court pending appeal in Sierra Club v. Trump. The Trump Administration seeks to reverse a previous ruling by the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California blocking the Administration from unlawfully diverting $2.5 billion of Department of Defense funding not authorized for a border wall. On July 3, 2019, the Ninth Circuit denied the Trump Administration’s emergency motion for stay of the injunction.
“Allowing the Trump Administration to move forward with construction of an unlawful and disputed border wall would cause severe harm to our states,” said Attorney General Becerra. “Once this damage is done, it cannot be undone. We ask the Supreme Court to reject this impatient attempt by the federal government to rush President Trump’s previously rejected pet project.”
The States’ and Sierra Club’s challenges to the border wall are currently consolidated in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeal. In the brief, the Attorneys General assert that the states would suffer irreparable harm if the Trump Administration were allowed to proceed with the construction of the border wall in California and New Mexico.
The federal government is requesting that the U.S. Supreme Court issue an order staying the injunction, which would effectively allow the government to begin building a border wall using unlawfully diverted funds before the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals can hear the merits of the case. In the brief, the states ask the U.S. Supreme Court to reject the Trump Administration’s request for an emergency stay. They also present the unique harms to the states posed by the diversion of funding to construct the wall that was never authorized by Congress. The Trump Administration’s unlawful actions threaten the states’ sovereign interests and their ability to enforce laws within their borders to protect water and air quality, as well as wildlife corridors and endangered species.
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Hypocrites. This is all a Game being played on the Public at our experience. anyone who performs a simple google search will find former president Obama’s Bill on border wall security with 600 Million in funds channeled to the project. https://youtu.be/GtJ4x1ycsPk
Not sure what your point is, especially the difference between border security and a concrete wall and the fact that they are asking for billions not millions.
But what people are missing is the blatant attempt at circumventing the congress and the legal system.
This is a dictatorial power grab.
What we are seeing is the attempt by someone,”Trump”, in power that does not like they way our country is supposed to work. He’s trying to change it into something it’s not, never was and never will be.
Besides pointing backwards at what Obama did does not apply to what is taking place now.
Well said stryertoby.
Keep these arrogant racist pigs out of Mexico and South America. The time will come when the first Arctic blue water event happens. Which will trigger giant methane releases and super hot temperatures from the north down leaving Canada and North America uninhabitable for most humans crop failure with even more giant dips in the jet stream causing giant temperature fluxes
crazy deadly storms will continue and will make it impossible to grow most crops making the Exodus in the Mexico and South America one of the only possible escapes roots hopefully this wall will help keep these white racist pigs from coming to Mexico and South America Yankee go home you ruined most of the world now stay away take your puppet governments and you’re fake regime change dictatorships out of South America
“Are you satisfied with the life you’re living Exodus”
Bob Marley
“why do you think they are coming and why do you think that it can’t happen to you”
Joe dirt-
from the movie
The president is in within his rights to do whatever it takes to keep our country sovereign and protected AT ALL TIMES. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO EXIST Just as any other country does and to implement our laws and say how many immigrants. May or may not enter. Its is a privilege NOT a right. Please go educate yourselves. Better yet attempt to enter Canada. Just because they dont have a physical wall doesnt mean they for one minute have laxed laws. Go ahead try them.Has nothing to do with racism why? Theres no such thing as race besides human. Go research for yourself.Bererrcera is the biggest biggot there is not to mention hypocrite allowing places to exist that harm the public time after time that they have been caught by the AG why? SO they aG can continue to collect fines n the public continues to get screwed losing their hard earned money and put in harms way. And the AG wont do crap for the public. Yet want the courts to come do something immediately when the AG doesnt like something? Yet it protects our country. Ssounds like our AG is anti country and a bit communist wanting our boarders to be compromised and our sovereignty lost
Another white Patsy marching hand-in-hand
Whatever it takes even killing innocent babies
MIA brain dead most walls can be conquered by a simple tool called a ladder back to square one same problem but you spend a lot of money saltines are a little bit dry for my taste different parts of Canada they run big packs of horses from the United States illegally to turn them into different products glue and marshmallows dog food because it is illegal in the United States to process horses and during the winter time there is many places where you could ride a snowmobile no problem but I guess for some it could be impossible border guard will not let you in
And there is the kind of thought that scares everyone into reacting to oppose such speakers at any cost.
Guest,
~do my thoughts scare you?
When i comment:
The purpose of government is not politics.
The purpose of government is to rid ourselves of External Authority.
Do you choose not to read any further? Your replies are not competition, and i appreciate that. TY
Good fences make good neighbors
Doom, is that one entire sentence and can I please hear you say that in one breath? LOL! Out of all those geographical references, which one of them are from,
Can we guess?
Guacamole
It means that twenty million illegal invading immigrants need to go fucking home. As a tax payer I refuse to pay for their housing, medical care and other expenses. Time for them to hit the fucking road.
Steve as a tax payer you can’t refuse shit because once they take taxes out of your check you have no say in how they spend it.
Right now $775 a day per person to cage them up like animals is what they are spending your tax money on. Do the math and see how much you don’t like that.
It would cost a lot lot less if they would have put up receiving and processing facilities an staffed them with civilian contracted companies.
By the time you pay your taxes, they have already been spent. Everything Congress votes for generates debt. Taxes pay down the debt – or, perhaps more accurately, our taxes go to interest payments on the National debt.
I say let Becerra have his win. The DoD can keep their $$ and POTUS can use El Chapo’s lucre to pay for the wall, instead!
He won’t win. He will win an injunction at the 9th Circuit Court with one of his tame judges but the Supreme Count will not uphold it and will remand it back. The Court rarely gets between Congress and the President in a matter of politics , the President has the right to void international agreements and they won’t buy the fiction that Migratory Bird and Game Animal Treaty with Mexico can be used for this purpose. It’s just another delaying tactic.
“the President has the right to void international agreements” .
Let that sink in for a minute. So, every time a new president , or even the old president, doesn’t like a previously agreed to and signed International agreement/ treaty, he or she, can just void it for any reason whatsoever. End of discussion. Really?
Have you any comprehension as to how that effects the word of the United States in any agreement that is made with other nations? Makes it worthless. We become a pariah nation and that’s exactly what is happening now.
“So, every time a new president , or even the old president, doesn’t like a previously agreed to and signed . . .”
~your sentence, Rex, made me think of the following:
It’s priceless. Aaron Russo vs. IRS Commissioner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98a5tBBDjlY 10 mins.
@ 6:40 is the prime spot
Thank you much, Aaron Russo –rest in peace.
A treaty is not an international agreement. Words have specific meanings and yes, a President can create an “international agreement” when up he can’t get Congress to approve a treaty. But then the next President can cancel it. That marks the importance of compromise and negotiation to get Congress to act and why the current extreme partisanship and insult politics is dysfunctional.
And we are not a “pariah” nation. We are just not paying for everything at the whim of the European politicians any longer while they pronounce judgements that makes them look like equals to their constituencies. If they want something, they can pay for it. They object to that.
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Steve your ignorance shows. And your , I don’t know what to call it? Brand them? They’ve been fingerprinted and photoed.
We are not talking about repeaters. Children,(teens with babies) that were born on their way here or born in custody.
What we have here is like this.
A 15 year old girl from across the street runs up to you with a baby in her arms and asked for your help. She says,
please help me, this baby is from a rapists that is chasing me and wants to rape me and my baby again.” You rip her baby from her arms and shove her back to into the rapists arms and tell her you shouldn’t have came to my side of the street for help. All they while your neighbors are laughing chanting “SEND THEM BACK SEND THEM BACK”
Boy don’t you people make America look great.
Blatant false analogy.
Convincing conservative minded folks requires an appeal to their rationale, not to their emotion
Thats not true anymore, Ullr.
How does Trump have a base?
It’s not rational.
“Send her back,” “lock her up”, or generally any chant is pure emotion.
Unfortunately the Repuplican party has disgraced itself a ton too much by backing Trumps emotional rhetoric of hate and ignorance.
Apparently trump has a higher approval rating than congress or the California legislature. What’s that say, a man that say “grab them by the pussy” has a higher approval rating than the slickest group of political liars who would never say anything that would hurt their ratings.
Trump has a base because liberals make him look like a better alternativ.
Well…that would make them unlike most humans. https://qz.com/521628/keep-losing-arguments-a-psychologist-explains-why-emotions-are-more-persuasive-than-logic/
Interesting article
Damn, Kym, careful, that could embolden me a little…
I was just settling down..
Wink.
Oh, I agree. Emotional arguments are more effective… unless you are an older conservative… and older conservatives make up a large portion of the voter base.
“If You’re Not A Liberal When You’re 25, You Have No Heart. If You’re Not A Conservative By The Time You’re 35, You Have No Brain” — Winston Churchill.
Just call me the scarecrow…
You guys are too cute.. lol.. You could just call me Dorthy because, I don’t beilive the wizard of OZ.. I know he is back there.. lol.
Identifying as a No Brainer is not an effective response to a comment about not learning from experience.
In 1944 the industrious anecdote collector Bennett Cerf presented an entertaining tale featuring Georges Clemenceau:
An excited supporter burst into the private chambers of the old tiger Clemenceau one day and cried, “Your son has just joined the Communist Party.” Clemenceau regarded his visitor calmly and remarked, “Monsieur, my son is 22 years old. If he had not become a Communist at 22, I would have disowned him. If he is still a Communist at 30, I will do it then.”
[edit] Because people are leaving in droves the Democrats need replacement voters someone that hasn’t put up with their habitual trying to put their fingers in the lives of people and micromanage everything and everyone. Just look at the homelessness in the cities controlled by the nut jobs…[edit]
Steve obviously you don’t get out much if you think homelessness is unique to democratic controlled cities. lol.
We are getting our dose of Russian/Trump propaganda. It eased off for a while but it’s back with a vengeance now.
Might have seemed like it died down but it never went away and the damage is do and it’s still spreading. The sad problem is no mater how much info of the facts are presented people don’t want to admit that they were fooled by the Russian/Trump multi million$$ psychological warfare brainwashing campaign that warped their brain.
How about receiving and processing facilities that have a turnstile in them, so that they go back out the door pointed SOUTH!!!
antichrist, I bet you hate the fact that national and international immigration laws say it’s legal for refugees to come to ports of entry and the U.S. is obligated by law to take them in, take care of them while the refugee/asylum proceeding take place. The laws also state that after a refugee has been in the U.S. for 150 days he/she is eligible to apply for a work permit.
I bet you didn’t know any of that?
Here read
Each year, thousands of noncitizens arriving at our border or already in the United States apply for asylum, or protection from persecution. Asylum seekers must navigate a difficult and complex process that can involve multiple government agencies. Those granted asylum have the opportunity to apply to live in the United States permanently, receive certain benefits, and be reunited with their family members. This fact sheet provides an overview of the asylum system in the United States, including how asylum is defined, eligibility requirements, and the application process.
What Is Asylum?
Asylum is a protection granted to foreign nationals already in the United States or at the border who meet the international law definition of a “refugee.” The United Nations 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocol define a refugee as a person who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her home country, and cannot obtain protection in that country, due to past persecution or a well-founded fear of being persecuted in the future “on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” Congress incorporated this definition into U.S. immigration law in the Refugee Act of 1980.
As a signatory to the 1967 Protocol, and through U.S. immigration law, the United States has legal obligations to provide protection to those who qualify as refugees. The Refugee Act established two paths to obtain refugee status—either from abroad as a resettled refugee or in the United States as an asylum seeker.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/asylum-united-states
Stryertoby
I like your posts.
Antichrist…I’ll supply the first 1,000.
There is no shortage of aliens in Ca. close the border. 13% tax, now toll roads, doubled registration fees for your transportation. an a 4 dollar per gallon fuel cost. an they want more. time to wake up! Did your wages go up with these draconian taxes?
These comments always crack me up. Never a peep about Corporate Welfare, bloated military allocations, obscene tax breaks for the rich, Trumps 100 M tab to golf just about every weekend and on and on.
It’s always about Welfare moms, Illegal aliens , Etc etc.
The selective outrage is glaring, as is their goading from the rich and powerful.
Oh it’s getting harder and harder to be vocal about what you don’t like about what Trump is doing or stands for because you get accused of hating this country and told if you don’t like it get out or go back to where you cam from.
It’s illogical, stupid, untruthful and hypocritical coming from people who like Russian interference with our elections, Gerrymandering, lying and cheating to win elections because their policies, racism, and elected officials suck and have no merit on their own. They are the poster children for Hating America and the rule of law.
But Trump told them that that’s how it is so they repeat the bullshit like good little mindless haters.
Yeah sure you have some strong debating talent. And at one time I was getting quite upset but I am finding out that you are a jewel in the comment section. Thanks for being here as individuals we stand for what we believe in and not always see eye-to-eye.
Thanks. I’m over the bullshit, I’m over President Rapey Amber Alert, I’m over the racism, I’m over Russian/Fox/ Trump blatant mendacity and manipulation of weak minded dumbfucks, I’m over the Altright and it’s absurd agenda. No more. Calling it out. What the hell happened to the Republicans? They all morphed into Trump shit eating monsters. Or left the party out of embarrassment. Ugh.
No, you’re angry that the modern left’s own tactics are reflected back on them. That is not righteous. But then the lack of righteousness has only ever been a complaint laid against the left’s opponents. They never apply it to their own behavior.
Someone apparently doesn’t want to lose their undocumented workers, aka SLAVE LABOR, California politicians got to keep industry here somehow,lol too funny, all about my seat and a dollar ,don’t build a wall ,i like paying 20 dolla a day to me workers while i tell state comp to kiss my arse, health ins. ? RIGHT hahaha
20 million? Global warming. Billions of people are coming. They have no other choice.
NO…they do have a fucking choice live in their own fucking country, fix it as needed. Don’t come to our country and degrade it to their countries shithole standards. Don’t bring tb and other diseases like measles to our children.
Steve you’re right, they do have a choice. Stay where they are and starve to death, get raped tortured, executed, sold into sex slavery, or try to make their way to the U.S. where they believe is a great nation full of great people that will help them only to fine out it’s not so great and it’s full of heartless greedy racist pigs that would rater shoot them or throw them in cages like animals.
Yeah? Make America great Again? Here’s a concept. If you want America to be great again try becoming great people again.
The best comment award thank you
Starman
you don’t have to love your neighbor just don’t shit on them
The US policies contributed to what is causing migrants to flee Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. We allied with brutal dictators for decades. We backed corporate rape of resources. And we prioritized a drug war we couldn’t win that actually empowered cartels/gangs.
So a rough analogy is you backed the gang that set your neighbor’s house on fire. When she flees onto your property with her babies, you have her arrested for trespassing. Legal but lordy, would Darth Vader approve.
All Democratic policies lol
Starting with President Harry Truman (Democrat) in 1954, the US began brutally interfering in Guatemalan politics (not that they hadn’t before but this was a whole new level).
All the way through to President Obama refusing to call the military coup that deposed Honduran President Manuel Zelaya in 2009 a coup. Honduras then became one of the most violent countries in the world. And when Juan Orlando Hernández, the president now, turned the military even further against his people and destroyed the opposition, President Trump congratulated him on his victory and his administration sent him millions in aid.
Yes, thank you. And the “wall” is a major distraction from those facts. No matter which side one is on. Just law suits after lawsuits after lawsuits that we pay for and nothing is done about the cause; interventionism.
TPTB make money on drug importation, arms deals and get to hire a labor force for less than minimum wages and few rights. On both sides of the border. Blood money.
Build a freaking fence and give DACA and PACA full citizenship. They’ve been here for a very long time. They deserve it.
That’s not the whole story though.
The funding had been used for nefarious reasons. That’s not something this President is keen on supporting.
You can pick up more info by touring through the Justice.gov site or doing searches.
https://search.justice.gov/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&affiliate=justice&sort_by=&query=Honduras
Brazil https://search.justice.gov/search?query=brazil&op=Search&affiliate=justice
Billionaires, President’s family members, … nobody’s immune from being held accountable anymore.
Oh, and this is Hoover’s doing, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Central_Intelligence_Agency
Aww shucks, Grifter that he is, Trump is probably jealous of those corrupt officials that funneled $off to themselves. He’s probably trying how to figure out how to do it himself. Make no mistake, Trump is a criminal. Always has been, always will be.
While some are happy to stare at the cardboard cut-out, others are looking behind the cut-out to see wth is really going on.
“Huge areas of Mexico are being declared biospheres where humans will not be able to permanently reside or farm. Beaches, public lands, publicly owned utilities are being privatized. Concentration of populations into cities is the goal. Full integration with the rest of the North American continent is key to this plan. The major elements of the Mexico 2030 plan are exactly like the Agenda 21 plans in the United States. They’re exactly like the Plan Puebla Panama, and the Plan Espana, and the Honduran Plan, and all of the plans across the world.”
https://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/the-way-we-see-itour-blog
Mexico 2030 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asEIWwihQ7U
“Your energy consumption will be controlled until you can’t farm, can’t manufacture, can’t travel, can’t fish, can’t use your land. Productivity and businesses are limited now.”… DAA21
Thanks for being aware Kym so many are blind to corporate genocide in South America they are trying to pull that in Venezuela as well and people have to flee their Homeland are die. Even the really high pressure on the marijuana industry is government-related corporate stock exchange mega dollar take over.
Some who no abuse, know when a government has gone too far. The people of the United States well pay for what they let their government do. It seems that alot of us will not listen they don’t know how stuck in their own delusion of destruction perhaps when they find themselves on the wrong side of History they might understand. It pains my heart so much 💔 to see the separation of people. In a time of great need to stand together against environmental destruction
By design Eli.
By design.
Who’s we?
If you’re referring to the we as in we the people, I don’t think you’re on the right path.
If you’re referring to every congressman and military leader, again I say you’re on the wrong path.
If you’re referring to a certain group of conspiratorial tyrants that need to be tried in a military tribunal, I’d have to say, right on.
That’s very true Kym.. Good Analogy! Extended members of my family, did end up here with all her babies! Unfortunately, me personally, I am also seeing a lot of Homelessness and Disparity in the US population. I would luv to see all the young and mothers cared for, and I appose the conditions at the boarder currently! And I am opposed to building the wall, but I do think there needs to be tougher entry at the boarder..
Like say for example, Unions and Union workers, or better paying jobs.. many of these companies have hired internal non citizen labor, and I am not just referring to farm Labor.. but typically higher paying positions, now companies can skirt the unions and pay much less..
Not to mention, America really has to deal with and solve its very extensive Homeless population.. Personally, it’s not just security at the boarder, or a certain race. I sincerely appreciate American Diversity! I think just America needs to slow down on Immigration in general, for the time being… I actually think America can do more good by helping other countries in Maybe different ways. Building enterprise or Infrastructure services.. Maybe that’s idealistic because the Gov isn’t very well intentioned for the most part.. Major conflicts though, I am not opposed to seeing the US take in refugees.. Myself..
I know, it’s not on par with certain Liberal Ideologies.. or conservative thoughts.. I basically think everyone is full of it so.. I just try and find balance wit it all..
And it is true, that America is and has been a country of immigrants.. My family Immigrated here at some point.. And it’s true, that all of us are probably illegal Immigrants here..
It’s a tough one for me, tho, because I really try to see both sides of any issue.. and I understand people are going thru a lot in other countries and want a better opportunity for Life. Can’t blame people for that… but the Wall.. its a waste of $$$, Enviro destructive, and most likely ineffective… IMAO..
And qudos to the young man who braved the desert and prosecution and brought water to those crossing.. That was an act of bravery and I am relieved the courts dropped his case!
Ilhan Omar will bring this country DOWN. Do you want to live in the USA or do you want to live in SOMALIA? Just remember the thousands of AMERICAN lives lost to defend our way of life…Utopian Liberal lives live on the backs of DEAD SOLDIERS!
Trump is doing a fine job of that on his own.
A little less Fox News and Trump tweets would sooth your soul.
Like all simplistic views, that is focusing on a small portion of the truth to prove what is wanted to be believed while disregarding anything that proves the opposite. Guatemala’s history has been one of violence, conquest and junta long before Europeans ever arrived. It has almost continuously had a history of military takeovers where one military general overthrew another. Even the civilian leaders either aligned with those currently in military power or military rebels- no one was independent of military pressure which always favored what benefited itself.
Somehow it is convenient to forget that the very idea of a reform movement that was suppressed by the US government necessitates the existance of something that needed reforming. There were mass slaughters of Guatemalans before the US ever intervened.
US policies contributed
Yes. Although without the US (or the Soviet Union through export of Cuban revolutionaries) there is every indication from their history that military coup after coup would have still happened. It’s no excuse to allow the U.S. To suffer a gutting of our own society that has a Constitution allowing changes in policies without needing a military coup every 20 years. I cannot trust that anyone so focussed on imposing their own will with such hostility will ever consider my safety at all. It seems so foolish to condemn without pause the very entity that protects its right to complain that I can not trust them with power to act.
Guest., it’s not Ancient History’s policies or coups..For example, RIGHT NOW.. Small Coffee farms in Mexico and Gautamala are being driven from thier homes because the price of Organic Fair trade And other coffee plummeted.. The big coffe distributers will not pay just a slight higher price for thier coffee.. I mean even 1 or2 dollars per pound would help! But no, The US would rather see people here at our Boarders clambering to get in…Again..Happening TODAY!
. Right on the other side of the boarder manufacturing goods and paying like $5 an hour.. if the boarder is crossed.. then $12 for a job that should pay $15 to $30 An hour… What ya gonna do?
These corporations can then sell products HERE in the US at a huge mark up TAX FREE.. happening today..
The US actually flooded the world Market and Mexico with
“tax subsided” ‘Emerika Socialist GMO round up ready Corn,
essentially And purposefully flooded small corn farmers in Mexico out of the hills to staff the factories in Juarez..
I just think that actually, US corporations going down to Mexico and circumventing American Labor and Enviromental practices should be held accountable, and that we as a Nation If we have such a huge problem w/ immigrantation, Maybe OUR corporations shouldn’t be down there Exploiting the Heck out of everyone! Maybe if the US actually promoted better policies there wouldn’t be so much confrontation at the boarder..
Its not that simple. The problem has gradually evolved for a multitude of reasons, but now its overwhelming. We can no longer be all things to all prople. We must have realistic immigration laws that are enforced. Asylum laws have been liberalized to the point of being ridiculous. Donald Trump did not cause this problem. Overly liberal policies and lack of enforcement by prior administrations did. Since the democrats all hate him, congress will accomplish nothing and the problem will grow worse. And then there is the California government that is without question the worst in America.
Dear Steve,
You may be surprise that the majority of the southwest was taken by force from Mexico. The way I see it is that people have just decided to reclaim the land. Seems to be working. I hope everyone can figure out a way to get along.
I ask this question: Historically, has there been more cooperation between humans, or competition? Which one leads to the needs of more people being met without causing harm to others?
To the victor go the spoils!
Dead dirty rotten stinking pigs
Qui Bono?
Sounds like you have been drinking the koolaid they have been passing around in the local colleges. That is not what happened. The treaty was not breeched. Theres no refrences to any of that. One man has been propagating that in Chicano studies with no citations other than saying its the treaty of Hildago and thats it. Where in its original writings is that part breeched? What part was not kept and the identities of the peoples were taken as they preach? Go on Carlos Munos writings he never cited his sources but sure talks a big talk. Btw they are full on commies just so you know the source of where that comes from and where those teachings are generating from being taught on college campuses today
http://www.rosalux-nyc.org/the-chicano-movement/
I’m a little unclear what you are saying. Littlefish appears to be talking about the Mexican American War and how the US forced Mexico out of territories it had formerly claimed. These became our California, Nevada, Utah, most of Arizona, Texas, most of New Mexico, and parts of Colorado, Wyoming, Oklahoma and Kansas. So yes the majority of the southwest was taken by force from Mexico.
Whole lot of thieving going on France, Spain, England, Portugal, and whoever else join the bandwagon. Was a free-for-all of thievery, if you blatantly stoled something even though you stole it, and nobody has contested you for a long time does not necessarily mean that you have ownership. It just means so far the laws have been tilted and made by the thieves.
“true Stewards of land do not destroy it or do harm”
Gideons Bible chapter 5 verse 7
And taking it back by force is a good thing? Something you support?
I’m simply trying to make sure we are talking with the same set of facts. Mia appears to be denying that the US took a large part of the southwest by force. I’m making sure that either I’ve misunderstood what she was saying or providing the facts.
Kym- Like everything else in the world, it was not that simple. The US expelled a tyrannical, remote and ineffective Mexican government. If the people of the area had risen up, an American army of 5000 poorly equipped American soldiers a long way from supplies would have never managed invade and hold the capital of Mexico. What you persist in viewing with modern filters was probably seen by most in the area as a war between foreign invaders over the governance of lands stolen by both. They chose for individual reasons to work with which one seemed to offer the best protection for themselves and Mexico was not the overwhelming winner in that.
I think that you ought not use a news site to promote a version of history twisted into a convenient tool. That the US government was expansionist was probably viewed by many of the local inhabitants as a good thing over an equally foreign but weak, venal and far more remote government that would not address their complaints.
I wasn’t writing a book but, the U.S. took a large part of what was known to contemporaries as Mexico and made it the US by force. Now, are there some mitigating factors. Sure. But I’m not giving some renegade view. The vast majority of historians would say the same.
“America went to war to gain territory from Mexico and expand the nation’s boundary from Texas to California” says the National Museum of History.
“Mexican historians and politicians view this treaty as a bitter lesson in U.S. aggression.” https://www.pbs.org/kera/usmexicanwar/war/wars_end_guadalupe.html
Many contemporaries hated the war including Thoreau. Abolitionists in general hated it. William Lloyd Garrison’s Liberator called it a war “of aggression, of invasion, of conquest, and rapine-marked by ruffianism, perfidy, and every other feature of national depravity …”
But totally obviously, many in the area did not hate it. Many looked on it as saving them from intolerable conditions. You apparently think of it as some massive aggression by the US against a helpless small Mexican Stare. Well Mexico at that one was a European colony- it was governed remotely by Spain. A lot of the people congregate tried for independence from Spain including local Spainards and Americans.
“Starting in 1810, the territories of New Spain north of the Isthmus of Panama (including Texas) sought independence in the Mexican War of Independence. Many Americans fought on the side of Mexico against Spain in filibustering expeditions.” Then, leaving out a lot of give and take, the newly independent Mexican government tried to remove Americans from land granted by the now defunct Spanish government. That lead to the republic of Texas, a lot more maneuvering, incidents and political turmoil, which addressed the issue of its times, slavery, without an emancipation, thereby earning the eminty of abolitionists. The Republic of Texas in the end several times petitioned the US government for admission as a State which was rejected a couple of times before being approved. The new Mexican government disputed the right of the Republic to exist much less seek Statehood, Polk sent troops and diplomats which were attacked. In the end the Mexican government,with their nebulous claims no more valid than anyone else’s at the time when little was settled after the colonial eras ended, signed a treaty lest the various other rebellious groups threatening them broke off too.
Mexico resented and continues to resent the loss of territory they claimed but never really occupied. They sought to define their territory by the claims of colonial Spain. Hos righteous was that. Just like there are people in the Southern US States who continue to resent losing in the Civil War and constantly refight 150 year old political debates. Doesn’t mean that anyone should swallow their resentments as truth just because it suits. Picking and choosing from the varied political opinions of those times to support current ill informed misuse of history in an agenda that never existed in those times is wrong. Nothing anyone did at that time of fluidity in America can be interpreted through modern political correctness. And people should be embarassed by the attempt.
Then there’s this: The 49th parallel, when it was the Brits who owned Oregon, Wash, Idaho, etc. https://historylink.org/File/5247
Paul Revere didn’t hollar “the Brits are coming, the Brits are coming!”… He hollared out “The REGULATORS are coming, the Regulators are coming!”
(the King loved his regulatory power).
Ok.. that’s funny Shak..lol
Oh, but it’s true! Ask yourself, “Why would the Brits who escaped the kingdom of tyranny yell “the Brits are coming!”?
They wouldn’t. They WERE the Brits… albeit, divorcing Brits, but nonetheless, still considered ‘Brits”. (no, not the ‘the’ Brits who owned Oregon, Idaho, Washington, etc).
“The Revolutionary War Was Not A Battle Between The British And Americans
It was a battle between British Colonists and their government. It was a battle to win independence from government intrusion, denial of liberty, and government control. It was a civil war, not a foreign war.”
“The Sons Of Liberty Were Not A Government Surveillance Program
As a matter of fact, they were quite the opposite. The Sons of Liberty held rallies and protests against the government’s denial of their rights to privacy and due process. The protests took the form of mock hangings and mock funeral processions of government agents. ”
https://krisannehall.com/index.php/resources/articles/343-government-revision-of-history-debunked
Ok, I confess. They didn’t say ‘Regulators”, they yelled “Regulars” who were the Enforcers for the Regulatory maniacal King. (same thing, but facts do matter).
Paul Revere, Samuel Prescott and Richard Dawes were the 3 famous riders who alerted the colonists.
Littlefish- it may surprise you to find that there was no general loyalty to the government of Mexico at that time and many of the people in the area saw US acquisition as the best option. They fought to get rid of Mexican misrule.
No. You’re completely wrong. This is 100% about the safety and security of our public and economy. His strategies to accomplish the necessary means to maintain the America first policy is above and beyond the average humans business acumen. This is business – the benificiary is the American public. It’s all business. Your emotions are a tool for negotiations and have no business making financial decisions for this County.
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What is taking place now is horrible. If only the radical,leftwingnut, intolerant and obstructionist democrats would of allowed the much needed and wanted border walls,plus more border Patrol officers and more technology,, would supply the funding to end this things would be better. Absolutely no more catch and release,and must stay in another country or be detained until extreme vetting is complete. No exceptions for age,race or man or woman.
So Obama was a good President?
Why do you ask that?
Living in the past.
Obama was sued for human rights violation and breaking immigration laws. Obama is long gone.
Trump is and has been sued for the exact same charges.
The difference is is Obama is gone and Trump is still doing it and worse.
Bingo!
Until the next democrat president and then this issue won’t be in the news again. It will be the exact same, just not in the news
The left agendists drags selective history up from 75 or 200 years ago to condemn the US or anyone they want to complain about but then complains when someone raises something that does Not suit them. This whole conversation revolves around history and straight arming those not conforming to the propaganda is disingenuous.
Hahahahahahahaha okay at times but good for the USA and its citizens not so much
Hey Becerra, and your buddies the Sierra Club, there are 60 thousand homeless in LA. 60,000 turds flowing into the LA river, and out into the ocean as raw sewage. Hey Becerra, how environmentally sound is that? How about all the crime that has increased since these wonderful refugees started invading our country, violating our laws and us as citizens. Hey Becerra, how many Angel families have you met with? How many drunk illegals have killed so many of us on the roads? How many of our schools have you caused to be over crowded and reduce the quality of our school system, making it 48th in the country? But you won’t pay the over worked teachers what they need? Hey Becerra, how many more tons of drugs have been brought into the US because we don’t have a wall, mostly because of assholes like you, who do not care how many of us you hurt, have you met with families who have lost loved ones to drug over dose? Becerra, you and your ilk are the problem. Trump is trying to help us, you are hurting us, you and your liberal judges and lawyers. Hey asshole, before we bring in thousands of illegals, how about fixing the horrible human condition here, in LA, and the rest of Calif., that you and your weak friends cannot seem to fix. How inept and weak you and yours are. So, we are teaching kids all over the country, but especially in Calif., how not to pay taxes. How to keep the govt. from getting your money before you do. How to work for cash, and how to use cash to stay underground. The less taxes paid, the weaker the govt. is, which is a good thing. No money for them keeps them weak. Our students know how detrimental these illegals are, and how much they cost their parents. That’s why the are voting and working for Trump. They know he is helping, they know assholes like Becerra are hurting us. They know Becerra has the blood of every person his illegals have raped, murdered, killed in drunk driving wrecks, and other crimes. And finally, if you want to label us as racist, go right ahead, as it is a meaningless thing. Racists, Antifa Nazis, KKK, Black panther, all have to wait at the back of the line to get whatever it is they are buying. Or get on a ride, or get their oil changed. It does not matter what your beliefs are, you wait at the back of the line, just like everyone else. Being a supremist does not make you supreme.
OMG Becky, you told him a thing or 600.
Imagine they had to file an EIR.
You’d never see the wall because the adverse environmental impacts
would be impossible to mitigate.
Weve made a mistake as a nation allowing so many foreigners to live in the US.
They have proven to be unworthy and ungrateful.
We shouldn’t waste our tax money on other people’s problems ( Not Americans).
Our quality of life is worse now than any time I can remember.
We pay more in taxes, we recieve less.
I dont want to support any foriegners.
If they cant afford to move here without using our social services, dont come here.
Compassion is a choice, and I choose to have it for Native born U. S. Citizens.
Yeah! Send Melania back where she came from!
Your grandparents too!
Brian, I just dealt with someone doing this to me. It closes off real conversation. They say one thing, and then the person commenting extrapolates a much larger statement that they may or may not believe.
Sheesh said, “I dont want to support any foriegners.
If they cant afford to move here without using our social services, dont come here.”
That’s a conversation to have but s/he didn’t say anything about not allowing all foreigners to come here.
What about asking Sheesh what kind of rules does s/he want to make that happen? Does he only want rich people? That kind of defeats the ““Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free…”
The world does not live in the time of Lazarus’s poetry- which was her personal take and applied later to the Statue of Liberty – where immigrants sank or swam by their own efforts. FDR changed that by applying the principles of welfare for all. And the bloody Statue of Liberty was to commemorate the Civil War’s ending of slavery. That military bloodbath and conclusion to fight for a principle. It was appropriated by immigrants as applying to them in the outburst of sentimental trivializing so loved by the popular press.
Dang, here I thought it was our aspirations and a symbol of our best selves.
Trump doesn’t like the laws of this country. He’s trying to change how this this country works. What does that mean?
Are you insane or just stupid. He is trying to enforce our country’s laws
Well if you knew the laws and were up to speed on things you would know that Bush was looked at to be sued for human rights violations and breaking immigration laws after he was out of office. Obama was successfully sued for the same charges. And now Trump is being sued for the same violations and breaking immigration laws.
Trump has been slapped down multiple time by the justice system for trying to get around the laws and congress and he just wont give up.
But it looks like you don’t have a clue what the laws are.
You need to educate yourself.
There has hardly been a single case resolved yet. The press calls everything a loss for Trump when it is just a temporarily injuction or a refusal for expeditied appeal. He has won some when the Supreme Court refused to hear appeals against him. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-12/trump-gets-a-surprise-california-court-win-in-immigration-case
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/03/us/politics/trump-house-wall-lawsuit.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-win-for-trump-administration-appeals-court-stymies-union-challenge-to-civil-service-restrictions/2019/07/16/43a83704-a7e6-11e9-9214-246e594de5d5_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0c9b3bc2681b
And in this particular issue, precedent is with him winning too.
The only people winning are the lawyers. And I use the term people loosely with regards to said lawyers.
Although lawyers are the only guaranteed winners no matter what the decisions are, people employ those lawyer in their political battles in hopes of forcing their own wants. In this case, it makes bedfellows of people who would normally prefer to attack each other if they did not value each other as tools to be used.
Imagine anyone supporting an official seeking to protect people from outside the country against the laws of their own fellow that the sword to uphold when they took the job. It takes an uncommon level of brainwashing to see that as a good.
Dang auto correct. “fellow that the sword to uphold” should be “fellow citizens that they swore to uphold.”
By radical judges in states with has many illegal aliens has citizens and more than actual immigrants
Just watch what this huge influx of illegals do to the environment. It happened in the 70’s after Viet Nam and they came over legally. The Bay Area was stripped of any marine life that was within reach. Poaching exploded and decimated much of the local bird populations. History is about to repeat itself 10 fold…
lol. I worked at Sea World and the Zoo with a crew that consisted of Vietnamese and at lunch time they would break out their woks and start cooking. We used to teas them about stealing the turtles etc.
F**K Attorney General Xavier Becerra
build the wall
What good is a wall going to do? They will still come to the ports of entry. Customs will still throw them in cages because money got wasted on a wall instead of receiving and processing facilities, staffing, which BTW would create permanent jobs that could be contracted to civilian companies etc. etc. etc.
common sense says walls work. if the system is broken then fix that too. and your whole thing about they throw them into cages if they come to the port of entry is not 100% accurate
But no walls around Area 51 and they do just fine.
if walls dont work then you should visit pelican bay and tell them
I refrain from pointing out the obvious.
There’s a fence both hard and virtual around area 51 coupled with the threat of death for trespass.
“The essential gear for your raid on Area 51” brought to you by the military. I’d pay close attention to #7. https://www.military.com/off-duty/2019/07/16/essential-gear-your-raid-area-51.html
If an asylum seeker is inside the United States and has not been placed in removal proceedings, he or she may file an application with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), regardless of their legal status in the United States. However, if the asylum seeker is not in valid immigration status and USCIS does not grant the asylum application, USCIS may place the applicant in removal proceedings, in that case a judge will consider the application anew. The immigration judge may also consider the applicant for relief that the asylum office has no jurisdiction to grant, such as withholding of removal and protection under the Convention Against Torture. Since the effective date of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act passed in 1996, an applicant must apply for asylum within one year[23] of entry or be barred from doing so unless the applicant can establish changed circumstances that are material to their eligibility for asylum or exceptional circumstances related to the delay.
https://www.us-forms.com/forms/n-400-citizenship-application?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=Cj0KCQjw1MXpBRDjARIsAHtdN-2mRQvqYRuOqEFuGqsckSQH_WLMlf6boXP9KJHO7BiNrxoCXAzNIdMaAtAAEALw_wcB
Taxpayer, common sense says walls work in certain circumstance up to a point. But history proves walls and locked doors don’t stop criminals.
Just look at the history of the US MEX border. Tunnels under, ports of entry drugs and humans are smuggle by the truck load right under their noses. Shipping industry and air traffic under the radar.
Common sens? Come on
This wall thing is a money grab, power grab and a smoke screen.
and people escape prisons but that doesnt mean walls dont work. they also use wall systems at prisons for a reason. i call for common sense walls
The metal slats that they are proposing to put on the border can easily be cut by a harbor freight sawzall are forded by medieval tool called a ladder once cut down they can be used as yard art ramps and even for picket fences around businesses Mexican people and have another resource to sell back to the American people
Keep repeating. People will believe anything if repeated often enough.
A three pronged approach is absolutely necessary Building walls, hiring more border Patrol officers and technology with the necessary funding to establish these immediately. No more catch and release or entry only at designates ports of entry, only after applying for assylem at first country that they enter. Come on democrats get with a workable and sensible solution
Trump wants to build a wall. Trumpers are in lock step with him. Most people know the Wall won’t do shit but Trump has a lot of fun getting people like taxpayer all worked up about it.
No “they” aren’t. It’s just that a combination of liberal insistence on hating everything American, greed for cheap labor (keep importing more people so workers can not use the power of their value as laborers) and Congress having no backbone in representing the people who elected them have left one poor, desperate last attempt at doing anything. Despite the constant hate the national media keeps spewing, there is an American culture and it values itself. There are other options that have been totally condemned by the open border agenda precisely because they would be more effective.
When you say that Liberals HATE AMERICA, a blatantly untrue blanket statement you lost all credibility in your statement. Seriously, why are you echoing dumb things? You do know that that sentiment was manufactured to rile people like you up. Hate America, get real, that’s the dumbest Trump/Russian propaganda going .
Oh lookie another intolerant friend of Omar and AOC worst to imbeciles in Congress
better yet, get his address and ship all illegal aliens to his town (preferably his front yard). nancy pelosi kicked three illegal immigrants out of her front yard and had the cops write them tickets and let them go, even without identification. nancy says walls are immorality and she has yet to tear her wall down 11 zinfandel lane napa county. she says everyone is welcome but just not at her house
Never trust a short hair!
I’ll take some immigrants in if you adopt some living breathing babies that some pro life weirdo talked some teen into having.
So you would think aborting those babies that are inconveniently a good thing? While screening immigrants for danger to your neighbors is a bad thing? No wonder Trump was elected- such angry self destruction is scary dangerous.
How may I ask is that scary self destruction? It was directed at TAXPAYER who has spent an extraordinary amount of time railing against Planned Parenthood and abortions. It was his mission for months. It’s sad Pro lifers/mostly republicans are staunchly against abortions but would cut social programs for said kids in a heartbeat once they were born. Look at how gleefull they are at how kids are treated at the border. It’s not about saving fetuses, it’s about controlling women.
Make that some bitch 20 feet taller…
Yes. Build the SOB.👍
LOVE THAT PICTURE!!! Big Beautiful Fucking Wall!!!
In the future they will build a thing called a ladder that will defeat a wall and can be built really inexpensively by migrant workers that in reality pick and package most of the food that white Americans eat
Shhhh, don’t tell them, it’s hilarious that they think the browning of America will be stopped by a wall. They are afraid. Afraid that their white European dominance is flagging. America is changing.
Or climbing gear, could probably easily get over the wall with some climbing gear.. no issues! It’s to easily traversed.. that’s why I oppose it. A lot of money, and not really effective!
Becarra should be in jail for his collusion with Imran Awan and the Pakistani spy-ring in congress. (one of the great un-reported stories of 2018). He is no friend of the American people.
Oh great, here come the facist and nazi remarks. We already got the dictator reference. Why is it that people insist on using words that they don’t know the definition to? Build a wall or don’t build a wall, I don’t care but quit calling trump a facist.
If it quacks and walks like a 🦆, it is a duck!
” Why is it that people insist on using words that they don’t know the definition to? ”
~no dictionary? Lazy? Distracted? Don’t care? Being “cutsie”?
It’s not the Mexican that are of concern, it is all the others that is the concern , plenty of Intel that states back pack nukes and other nasty shit from terrorists are getting across the border, all because they love us and want 70 Virginians
70 Virginians? The only thing worse than that would be one Alabaman. Alabamian?
The Martyrs are very disappointed.
😂😅😆😹🤣😸🤣😹😆😂 Virginians!
Not nearly as disappointed as if they were west Virginians. Because no teeth. On the other hand, having no teeth can be…. never mind.
Don’t forget those prayer rugs. Alcaida (sic, trump) could use them to fly over the border, like Aladdin, and strafe a Sun City golf course while 100’s of peaceful, unsuspecting, old white men are getting their balls washed at the putting greens. Muslims can do that, you know.
When they die, do they go to West Virginia to get their 70 Virginians?
Well so much for the principle of not being a spelling Nazi.
Rule number 6. “Also, grammar, punctuation, spelling criticisms should come from parents, teachers, and bosses not anonymous people on the internet. If you can understand what someone says, refrain from telling them how to edit their comments. The one exception to this is me. If I make an error, politely pointing it out is fine.”
I literally read Shad’s comment four times trying to figure out what Virginians had to do with Mexican and “back pack.” Now, I admit I was worried about something else and maybe not as smart as normal, but I had to correct each piece of grammar in my head throughout the whole comment to figure out what the Virginians had to do with anything.
Since I couldn’t understand, I rule that I get to note the situation. Also, Rule number 4: add humor. We all need more of that. And this thread cracked me up when I went back and read it. (Now, don’t make me pull out the big stick that I am not an anonymous person on the internet and I’m also a teacher—((Double secret hint, I’m teasing with this last part))
Lol.. Ummm…Yeah..70 right wing Virginians? …I think every attempted Jihadi plan has just now been shut down for the next century.. in one swift post!
No need to worry about magic prayer rugs and back pack nukes flying over the Non existent fantasy Fairytale, Boarder Wall, That will never get built..Lol..
That Wall can not go up soon enough! Should have been done decades ago! Stem, yes not stop, the flow of illegal aliens, poison drugs, gang members, crime, etc. Just the saved price of incarcerating many illegals will help offset the cost of the wall! Yes, a wall won’t completely stop the atrocity at border but it sure will help!
illegal aliens are being stored at area 51 and it is going to be stormed Friday September 20th 3 million + people will storm area 51 and let the illegal aliens lose there’s not very many of them but they could be dangerous big heads and big eyes and long fingers the AT&T phone calls will be so tremendous that it’s detrimental to mankind they keep on calling home and cost us trillions of dollars plus they are green bad complexion green pea soup green like the shit Linda Blair threw up little fucking green people build a wall make it tall
Habeas corpus
Coming to the sad part of your news paper soon. May she be replaced by somebody that will look out for Americans.
🕯🌳Not going to do it.
Trump is and will continue to be the greatest President in American History!
Finally a politician who cares about the health and well-being of ALL American citizens!
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The national debt has never been higher. The GOP 2017 tax bill which gave billionaires & corporations tax breaks of astonishing proportions pushed our country’s debt to record levels. The paltry tax breaks American workers got is minuscule compared to what taxes they will have to shell out to pay down our country’s debt. Read the Wall St Journal on this. It’s owned by same family that owns Fox News.
Hank…what is the problem with the government spending?
No one tells the government. …NO!
“GO TO YOUR ROOM AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPEND LESS”
Most Americans live on a budget and get reamed if they borrow more than they can afford to pay back.
How is possible that a 300k mortgage will cost you 900k, when or IF YOU get to pay it off.
Why is it impossible to tell the government to stop spending money?
Because the people are sheep and are without recourse.
Yeah…no more free shit for illegals,
sorry,
stop coming from your country to bankrupt this one.
We all have to make tough choices for our personal budgets, the government keeps spending and spending and we think that there’s nothing that can be done.
It is absolutely the worst…
Someone who can’t stop spending…
So yeah, let’s sell off our infrastructure to the Chinese, and Lord knows what else so we can deep six this corporate entity called the US INC.
Complete BULLS HIT they keep extracting every penny they can. I swear to God that they have an algorithm for that shit that keeps over half the US population with less than 500$ in savings.
So let’s talk about stop growing the government on our backs, for phuks, sake.
Trump is not the greatest president of all time. Is this a left wing troll posting? But he is apparently the closest we’ve got to one who cares about the survival of the country’s inhabitants more than parading in front of the same foreign country leaders who have regarded the US as a tool since the end of the cold war relieved them of the fear they were going to be eaten whole by the communist east.
We live in the Age of Unreason. Trump can survive that.
WE NEED SMART MINEFIELDS!
So everyone knows the world is going down to climate change because of over population. What is the worst part of that? The mass migration of billions of people. Millions arn’t coming. Billions are. Wall? We need minefields. If we let everybody in in times of scarcity we all die. Not a pretty picture and no one will say anything about it.
Henny Penny an Chicken Licken said the sky was falling. Kinda like global warming, sum folks buy into that an sum don’t.
Of course some of those who live st the bottom of a mountain do not expect to be buried by an avalanche and do nothing. Those who do something before being buried are wiser. Knowing which is which is good.
Thank you Becerra.
Thank you stryertoby.
Trump is a fascist and is detrimental to society.
It’s sad that the liberals are so lost to good sense that Trump looks like a better choice.
Good sense? Shall I write some of his quotes? The man has no good sense and cant understand basic civics. He’s just winging it, and we get to suffer the CONsequences. He’s a grifter, and not too smart about it. He’s lost billions. An epic con has been perpetrated on the American people. Nothing lasts forever, thank god. There will be a lot of fixing to do when his con is gone.
Reading what I said instead of what you choose to respond to, I never said anything about Trump’s good sense. I said the LEFT has no good sense remaining. Trump is (surprisingly to me at least) much better at slamming back the crap that so many creepynpeople are crazed enough to confuse for thought than anyone else on the public stage.
Of course he is winging it. If he had gone up through the usual training for the current herd of politicians, the public would still be served up the same dish but it would have been hidden under inedible garnish. That is one of the two things I admire about Trump. He is just as nasty as his opposition and so far has out lasted them. And you are right- nothing lasts forever. But I do not share your optimism about something better following. I worry more about a true tyrant coming. The left loves a tyrant as long as he believes what they do and the right might think that is the only solution to the left. The coming years will be a test for the minority that treasures their freedom of thought. Can they hold back the tide of the unthinking coming from both sides?
Personally, I do not admire people who out nasty their opponents. As a rule, I prefer folks who try to behave better than they have before and try to be kind but firm.
I don’t either but then the left has more than tolerated that in their ranks for some time. I prefer reasoned, deliberated debate but that does not mean I am not grateful when the barbarians break down the door to be saved by the barbarians on my side. You suppress your barbarians instead of encouraging them, and ours will no longer be in place. Guaranteed.
Called it.
Rachel…and antifia aren’t the real fascist they are chicken shit to show their face and hide behind masks. Who are the real fascist, certainty not President Trump. Get a clue!
Yeah! Like the KKK! How dare they hide their faces! The nerve! Now I’m mad!
Yeah. Exactly the same. Duh…
Build it tall and build it strong!
With that argument,every sidewalk paved street dam All Sewer systems and The mansion,or mansions Bernie owns would qualify.
I avoid moderation.
Jim Jones Syndrome!💩💩💩
Monkey see monkey do do
Sorry, no thank you, I don’t want any Kool-Aid. Thanks anyways though. Psst, be careful, I heard that drink packs a killer punch!
Stockholm Syndrome.
Round 4,792 of Deplorables vs Deportables.
Yawn.
So when does the check to pay for this wall arrive from Mexico? It seems to be a bit late.
Reality. But Trump promised! And he’s always honest.