Humboldt County Sheriff Billy Honsal Explains his Priorities in Current Cannabis Enforcement Efforts
Humboldt County’s Sheriff Billy Honsal [Photo from Humboldt County website]
With environmentalists seeing the “Emerald Triangle” as refuge for endangered species, particularly salmon, as the area transitioned to a regulated industry, wildlife agencies and non-profits pressed strongly for very tight rules on commercial cannabis cultivation. This left many growers feeling that getting a legal permit is an impossible goal.
With rules becoming clarified, regional law enforcement and regulatory agencies are moving forward to enforce the laws and remove unpermitted growers as quickly as possible. Last week Humboldt County Sheriff Billy Honsal sent out a YouTube video in which he explained he has invited the National Guard to assist his department in this summer’s eradication efforts. There was a robust community response to his video on this site and in social media and recently there was a law suit naming both the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Department and the Department of Fish and Wildlife claiming that those agencies illegally destroyed property in the course of serving their search warrant on the property of a church, Redwood Spiritual Healing Ministry.
We asked Sheriff Honsal some follow up questions which he answered via email.
These are the questions and his answers, virtually unedited.
What growing conditions are you seeing that warrant National Guard involvement? Can you give examples on private land and public land.
Illegal cultivation continues to be a problem on private land throughout Humboldt County. Humboldt County has some of the highest rates of unpermitted marijuana farms in the state. The farms often are the most egregious violators of environmental laws and they need to be stopped.
Does the County have a contract for satellite photos that could be able to meet your needs?
Sheriff’s deputies cannot use satellite imagery as evidence to support a search warrant. The deputy has to have “eyes on” the illegal marijuana grow to author a search warrant. That is why he needs to fly in order to have the ability to write a search warrant.
Legal cannabis cultivator, Wendy Kornberg, was quoted as saying a helicopter was so low over her home she could “read the plate on the bottom of the helicopter.” What do you know about that?
The helicopter pilot has strict mandates to never fly below 500 feet unless it is taking off, landing, or is involved in rescue operations. The National Guard pilots are highly professional and will not violate that airspace.
Is growing without a permit the problem or is damaging the environment the issue? What are the particulars you are looking at?
Growing illegally is the issue. Our agency is tasked by the people of California with enforcing the law. It is against the law to grow marijuana without the proper permits. That being said, we are a complaint driven enforcement unit that prioritizes the unpermitted grows that are the most environmentally damaging, trespass grows, organized crime, human trafficking, and those that have previous contact with law enforcement.
Are you focusing on bigger more egregious sites, or is someone with 20 plants going to be under an equal amount of pressure?
The Sheriff’s Office is laser focused on the most egregious sites. Plant count doesn’t necessarily matter, but we are looking at using our time wisely since we have so many illegal growing operations in the county. We DO NOT prioritize grow sites that just have 20 plants. However, if a neighbor complains, anyone who grows over 6 plants is committing a misdemeanor and we could be paying them a visit.
People are expressing concerns about the potential for a divide in community cohesion that can be caused by so starkly dividing permitted from unpermitted growers. (Specifically, when you said in your video you are getting calls from licensed growers about unpermitted people) Do you have anything you’d like to say about your approach and intention?
There is a huge divide in our community. Growers have been saying for years that they want a legal means to grow marijuana. Now there is a legal path to legitimacy. Conforming to the legal requirements has been challenging for some growers and other have decided not to try and become legit. Now the growers that have spent the time and money to become legal want the protections that the law provides, which includes pointing out illegal cultivation sites. The illicit market continues to cross the lines in the legal market. We have the permitted, licensed legal growing community that are participating with law enforcement efforts to hold individuals accountable for growing illegally. We appreciate their support and will continue to offer the legal community the protections that law allows.
RHBB received pictures of greenhouses from the Jewett Ranch enforcement in June that appeared to have been sliced apart by law enforcement.
The cannabis was also cut down.
If HCSO did participate in these actions, do you want to talk about the policy goals?
The case you are referencing was a search warrant in which we assisted the California Department of Fish and Wildlife. Since there is a pending lawsuit I will not speak about specfics of that search warrant.
However, there are times when we do cut the sides of the greenhouses’ plastic during the service of a search warrant in order to see out of the greenhouse. This is a matter of officer safety. Often times workers flee the scene on foot when law enforcement officers arrive to serve the search warrant. These individuals are potential threats and we are worried that they will return and harm law enforcement. As you are aware, when you are in a greenhouse working, you can’t see out the sides, you can only see shadows of individuals walking by. We need to be able to see 360 degrees around the greenhouses in order to safely operate inside the structure.
The sides of greenhouses are also taken down during the service of search warrants for ventilation purposes, due to the amount of chemicals used in these greenhouses creating unsafe conditions for deputies to work in.
Talk about the link between cannabis and crime. How did that link get started? What will end it?
Our homicide rate is twice the statewide average. When you break down each of our homicides, half are contributed to illegal marijuana in the county. Violent crime continues to be an issue when it comes to marijuana. We have a high rate of home invasion robberies, rip offs, thefts, and assaults all because of the money associated with marijuana. I believe it will only end when marijuana is federally legalized and the illicit market dries up.
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I just wish the sheriffs office would go after drugs like Heroin and Meth, just like they do for Marijuana. I think the Heroin and Meth epidemic in Humboldt has skyrocketed and poses a larger threat to the county than Marijuana cultivation.
Not nearly as profitable.
Most of the people in Humboldt county do not want the National guard here. The marijuana eradication and abatement and fish and wildlife have already done enough damage here sending a lot of the economy into a downward spiral some growers have gotten carried away but law enforcers and abatement strategies were moving along at a good enough pace now they are going to make such a big mess that there won’t be much left of our economy and the coming years it will be really hard to rebound yes you are on the wrong side of history fucking up your county another arrogant assholes enforcer sheriff Billy boy Honsal
Follow the money endorsed by the upper echelon of political elitist marijuana booming on the stock exchange
Billy boy Hansol is just being a stooge for the Corporate Elitist
Wall Street stock exchange marijuana worth billions justifying the thievery of America
Wow… Sheriff Buford T Justice’s slick response to slashing greenhouses was feeble at best…Ya know, I wanna support Leo’s,but when they baldface lie over shit like estate plundery,( we didn’t know it was unlawful)..really.
gotta cut green houses so we can see out..( we could die at any moment from violent flee’ers from the scene…
A what about all those chemical fumes eh?..
And why we can’t post a deputy outside is none o yer damn business!..fuckin civilians always up in our grill ..don’t they know…as stated by a H.S.D..WE PISS EXCELLENCE!)
Talk like this just makes real folk disrespectful an untrusting.
I would have respected his stance if he’d just tell it like it is…We slash as a show of power an you gotta problem with that?..
Huh??
You want some?
But sprinkling sugar bullshit on a tactic that’s pretty obvious as to it’s intentions…leaves a bad taste for all …Sorry Honsal..I’d back you if you’d just take a stand an admit ..(bad growers..I’m gonna beat the brakes off you shitheads and your greenhouses will be the last of your worries)..even if folks don’t agree with a man that takes a stand that they don’t…I would respect not only his view..but him as a man …worming a cover for his stance just puts him down to they’re level..
Absolutely so but, you know it’s the Cannabis industry’s fault!!! Our NOT elected Sheriff wouldn’t lie to us, much, unless of course it was profitable to do so!!!! Whatever happened to the investigation of the HCSO/ Coroner & all the property that was sold to various county employees at GREATLY reduced prices??? If there’s money to be made then they are jolly well there on top of it!!! But sadly there isn’t much money to be made busting Meth Labs & Heroin dealers!!!
There’s an update on lost coast outpost about the coroner investigation. I can’t get the link to post. Maybe it will pop up later.
Thanx for that info!! Is the State AG actually going to finally take a look at the case or just drag their feet in hopes of people forgetting it, so they can just sweep it under the carpet, so to speak??? Is this a new article or just the one from about a week or so ago stating the the State AG hadn’t done squat about actually investigating???
They do. It’s a big f’ing county however. Three times the size of the state of RI, actually. “Complaint driven units”..that’s cute and dividing.
I guess the sherriff and national guard that are protecting and receiving proceeds from the non track and trace so called legal growers that are trafficking marijuana across state lines are above the conspiracy laws. Lawless and corrupt Humboldt lives on I guess .
When track and trace is in place like it should be for every so called legal grow the California market will be overly saturated putting most legal growers in humboldt area out of business and after the so called legal growers have ratted out there old black market friends they will try to snake and squirm there way back to to the black market . Truth and future. Write it down .
Rarely do they solve a crime.
They are too busy depriving us of our constitutional rights.
Marc Potts in trinity county is the only deputy in our area that respects the constitution.
The rest have sold us out!
~you mean there actually is someone with a badge in the Triangle that has read the constitution?
Praise be!
We non dope users want you people out of here because of the trash associated with your weed culture has brought to communities.
Grow your dope somewhere else.
Personally, I’m happy to see the military used against weed culture, just not going far enough, yet it’s a positive step towards removing terror cells in the triangle.
What ground units can’t chop, spraying with MSM, would make up the difference.
Send a letter to remove the weed, 14 days later spray their scene with MSM at .5oz an acre and be done with them.
I’d rather see MSM used on grower trash than time spent playing the chopping game.
They could be leaving by now if MSM is sprayed over their terror scenes.
Whatever it takes to make them move away.
Wow hostile much?
I never knew that Mainstream Media was such a potent herbicide…
Heroin and meth are the problem
You know this is why murders are up
Yet you continue to blame marijuana
Sad
Cannabis has been the peabrains’ scapegoat forever.
It’s their top money maker so of course they will go after the “Low Hanging Fruit every damned time!!!
Cody king, Trevor Bohn, Rex Bohn All need to be giving to the state in cuffs they have told on so many people … but they are playing both sides of the white market black market to long.. so how is it you go after “ILLEGAL” grows.. that’s bull**** an on top of that kyms son is legal so last year when she was getting everyone’s reports on convoys she was telling the sherriffs … how do u think they switched routes when going to certain grows because KYM would say were people were staged watching for convoys. The whole towns crooked be careful who you talk too.
Oh, my lord, you are crazy enough to first think that the Sheriff Department with a satellite view and helicopters is waiting for me to report where people are staging? And then you think that if I were the kind of person who would do that, I wouldn’t delete your comment…
Get a grip.
Conspiracy theorists are not cool.
I grew up around Kym. She is a stand up OG and always has been.
CREEKERS
Thank you Kym for this article. Grow your six all.
Kelley wrote it.
You actually need water permits etc. to grow 6 plants! Don’t fool yourself . It’s not legal !
BIG sigh . . .
~preaching to the choir:
LEGALITY IS NOT REALITY.
Well are governor family is mafia that’s why the heroin and meth are booming and the weed is getting fucked
Why dont they spend some of this2e millions on meth and heroin? O thats right theres not tons of money to be had there. Criminal greed, leo’s just as guilty of it as those they claim to be saving us from. Hypocrite cops
Mexican mafia rules and runs the heroin/meth drug trade in Humboldt. Period. The same reason Eastern Europeans don’t get busted , $=power. Power influences law. Law is enforced only on those who can’t afford to fight back, or won’t fight back.
I think the reason they are not doing as much as they should to rid us of all the meth and heroin is because it is too dangerous for the gutless cops to deal with. They are afraid that the cartels will know where they live, their kids and grandkids go to school, and you know what and how the cartels are….. they are vicious and live by payback to show they are not weak. The pot is easier and much safer for the leo’s to deal with. Picking and choosing is the new motto for them. Has nothing to do with protecting the community ! All to do with being gutless and revenues for the county and state.
Heroin and meth are an issue BECAUSE of marijuana. Allowing one drug opens pathways for others.
I appreciate the efforts HCSO is making. I dislike dope growers, legal or not. I tolerate the legal ones since they are operating within the scope of the law but I fully support aggressive action against the illegal ones.
come on. dont blame one drug on another. heck i know people who hate meth and they love x. they dont know meth can be in x. plus some people just smoke meth and some people just some weed and some people smoke weed while they are giving up drinking, it just depends on the person not the drug
money is the root of all evil.
Alcohol is a close second.
Busting all the growers who don’t have hundreds of thousands of dollars to go legal will only make the economy, and the problems with meth and heroin much worse.
Pike, [edit] We really need to chill and look at the impact to the inviorment all this would bring. Not only hurting wildlife, but the life of generations to come. Maybe a less vicious approach to this issue could be reached if the head of the horse would be used to really come up with a senseable solution. The almighty sheriff, has he forgotten about how foolish leo’s looked hunting down Zach Harrison??? Maybe he should of called in the national guard. I am sure the weekend warriors would of put a less dent in alllll the money in resources the used for months to catch Zach…
~concur.
Pissed off Marine,
In gratitude, always in gratitude.
No need to cut the green houses because the perimeter should be secured for officer safety. So that is a crap statement and hope the lawsuit points out other constitutional violations.
You must be new around here otherwise you’d know the history of the HCSO destroying whatever they wish when they’re eradicating marihuana or kicking your door with a weed related search warrant.
Not new at all been raided. Just commenting on a bullshit justification is all.
Officers need and want fresh air when they are in those nasty green houses. It is for their safety because of all the nasty chemicals evaporating and causing a toxic work environment.
So when they raid our homes they should just start knocking down all the exterior walls might have mold and who knows what treatment was used on thise 2x4s not to mention asbestos. Like I said lame ass justification to terrorize cause we live in a police state and once they are done with us you will be next.
I was living in Brooktrails during Operation Clean Sweep. One of the helicopters buzzed my place, and had to pull up to fly over a nearby redwood tree. 500 feet above ground level, hunh? Horse pucky.
Carboflurin rodenticide is at issue See playboy article by Katie MacBride Inside the fight safe cannabis for all growers are using a banned rodenticide Carbofuran. Of which less than a teaspoon can kill a 600lb lion. Imagine killing animals workers and what of fish when it enters water
“Anyone who grows over 6 plants is committing a misdemeanor” this is untrue. Ca law still permits you to leagaly grow more than 6 plants if you have a valid 215 with a written exemption from your doctor. My doctor suggested no more than 99. The sheriff is straight up feeding us a unlawfull line of bullshit. Lawyer up. Read the laws
Is your doctor a lawyer? He is giving you bad advice.
The 215 game is over people. And the legals will turn your ass into the popo.
No, collectives are over, not the same, get a lawyer. I have a recommendation to grow 99, not up to, but 99 specifically by myself. I wonder if the military contacts the doctor before or after they destroy lives and property? Unlikely. They flew under 100 ft from my home yesterday and my newborn was traumatized. thanks us, ca and Humvoldt county government! We live in a war zone thanks to government incompetence and this bs propaganda. This is completely inhumane and abusive on so many levels. It costs tens sometimes hundreds of thousands (I heard 225k from one farm) of dollars to get into compliance. The only crime here is being poor. But then again it’s not shocking that the government would attack poor or disenfranchised people bc they do it all the time. Wake up Humboldt! This is a human rights issue and so much more. We need to stand together against this war waged against our own community!
Very well said!!!!
Humboldt land use ordinances state that you can grow 6 plants in a 10×10 area. If you have a 215 you can grow your 99 but they need to be in a 10×10 area. Over 5 acres they can be in a 250 sauare feet area. No growing in more then 100/250 square feet unless you have a commercial permit thats Humboldt only.
It’s best to just get out and move to another area, it you want to continue to grow under the radar. There are alot of counties and states that are more friendly then Humboldt right now. In fact Humboldt is the worst place to be a mom&pop grower. I was abated with 996 square feet of GH space. I was naive and thought I was in the clear because I was so small, but people have gotten notices with as little as 10 plants. They are being very hardline about it and don’t want anyone growing without a permit in Humboldt and because cannabis is a huge part of the economy up here they want everyone in compliance and have a huge incentive for enforcement and regulation. In other counties they don’t really care as much/ don’t have the 250k dollar satellite contract the county of Humboldt has that was bought and paid for by the legal growers
No, but Ed Denson is and he says 215 rules. Are you a lawyer?
You are relentless at beating this dead horse. Show us the law. It does not exist. A doctor can recommend whatever he feels you need, and because he is a medical professional, a lame ass bureaucrat does not have the expertise to contest his recommendation. That doesn’t change the law. The doctor may be safe and you may be a little more insulated from an intent to distribute charge. It’s a perfect grey area for a lawyer to argue you out of trouble. And the courts are too overwhelmed to fuck with you. It’s a good insurance policy but it is NOT codified into law. People have been railing about 99 plants for years. It’s bullshit. Your doctor can recommend it but it is still illegal under state and federal law…..unfortunately. Or maybe fortunately w deps @ 15.
https://www.shouselaw.com/marijuana.html
Nothing supersedes federal law. Helicopters under 500’? Sure why not! Busting your 99 plants because you paid a “dr” money for a bogus rx? Sure why not! Destroying property on a search warrant? Why not! Marijuana is illegal in the United States. These are national guard, they work for Uncle Sam, not Estelle Fenell. They can AND will do whatever they God dam feel like. Do I agree with it? No. Do I feel sympathy on the mom n pop growers or the person growing for personal medical use? Yes. Remember the patriot act? If we/you stand up and question the governments actions all they have to do is label you a terrorist and it’s bye bye time. Do not pass go, do not collect 200$. GitMo has plenty of room.
BIGGER SIGH,
“Nothing supersedes federal law.”
The “Necessary and Proper” clause of the Constitution is one of the most widely misunderstood – and abused in the document. Most modern federal regulations today are justified by the Necessary and Proper Clause – possibly even more than under the Commerce or general Welfare clauses. Now, here’s the irony of the situation: Far from granting “broad authority” to Congress, the truth is that the Necessary and Proper Clause grants no power at all.
https://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/
😍 😍 😍
The 99 plant game is history. Go ahead a put out 99 full sun plants and see where it gets you.
It gets most quite further than you would expect
C.A.M.P. Campaign Against Mom & Pop’s
To true I’ve been appreciating your comments, on the redheaded blackbelt for a long time now Jorge the mom-and-pop grows are what held the community together, without them we are about to lose everything. The permitting structure left no room for the Mom and pops. It was a whole bunch of lies that they would take care of the people in our community. Now we have law enforcement and the military doing a clearing House which will leave us more crippled. These county officials have been taking the goodness out of our community, and leaving the people in a hard place. They might think that these commercial grows will sustain them, they are wrong as our communities all over Humboldt county have been suffering, tax revenues are down. And alot of the goodness has been leaving thanks to people like Estelle fennel and your arrogant sheriff
Billy Honsal & Rex Bone
You are 100℅ correct. The new laws leave NO room for mom and pops. In fact, they’re written in a way that is against them. Leo’s shouldn’t be bothering anyone with 100 plants. Definitely not 20! That’s crazy. Mom and pops rarely ever use rodenticides as well. It’s all propaganda.
LEGAL Enforcement Officers (LEOs) shouldn’t be bothering us AT ALL. Does the shepherd reply when the sheep bleats?
Public **SERVANT*** – don’t come to our aid unless we telephone you. STOP DOING WHAT DOES NOT NEED DONE. Phukk Order Followers and the rock they climbed out from under.
I’m calling bullshit on your narrative Jorge or joe or whatever you’re calling yourself … , my family went thru the process To get a County and state permit.
They discovered the smaller the sq ft they went for, the cheaper it was. Plus quality control is way more manageable. They have 4950sq ft. Will be paying almost $5000 in taxes at the end of the year, and they paid out less than $8,000 to get everything up to the standards. Yes it was challenging to dot all the i ‘s and cross all the t ‘s but they are glad they did it.
That’s a small cost to pay financially compared to what theyve already brought in with this latest harvest. $(400,000) Will be having another harvest by the end of the summer .
The vast majority of permits being issued are for 10,000 sq ft or smaller , go look it’s a matter of public record. You don’t want to hear that because that calls out your BS narrative.
Plus , You seem to be always defending these incredibly environmentally destructive green rush grows .that says a LOT about you!
…most people are very happy to see them gotten rid of in our watersheds and neighborhoods.
I call b.s. on your statement. It costs $5000 just to submit your initial application to the county.
Bring the National Guard is about protecting Wall Street
Not your little grow
Harvest #1
Harvest #2
Harvest #3
Harvest #4
Harvest #5
Glyphosate – mmm – pass the bong.
~bragging about being in the Matrix and harvesting $40,000 doll-ears, says a LOT about you!
That’s the way I see it might get your money back in a few years if you slave away your life
*400* k not 40.
Sounds like a brag.
And all that certainly wasn’t dumped on the white market which is clogged beyond repair
So the county/state permit is just a free pass.
~thanks for the correction, Not news.
The Morning rant.
The only growers that wanted it to be legal had made plenty of money and had a lot to lose. Now you have tricked them into paying into this broken system. Using the illegal money they worked hard for, it is spent stupidly. You hire children as police and then defend there mistakes.
Letting the Cartel bring in harder drugs. Seems like the sheriff is on his own learning curve.
Use the weed tax money to eradicate the hard drugs. I don’t want our children to drink alcohol, use meth or heroine or any pharmaceutical drugs. But let them smoke weed and save the trees. Just give the children something to work and live for.
Is it ok to use trip wires and shot guns to protect your personal property sherif? It seems like maybe the logging company’s can. Pay taxes for police, buy security cameras, and start neighborhood watch. Because the police cant protect you. To busy looking for weed greed.
Everything comes to a end.
My opinion just made opinion.
My body language, face-reading skills tells me that is one fake fuck.
His eyes are cold
That smile lies
And his canned responses (false narrative) deflecting every one of Kelly’s pointed questions are so preDICKtable.
I can’t address each one, it’s just all too much.
~that’s the first thing i notice about Billy. He’s phony.
Thanks Kelley,
You didn’t date your interview … so. Is the Sheriff simple mindedly ignorant, or, maybe he’s just behind the times. We had an election. Billy is bucking the California electorate.
By now, even the densest minds realize that cannabis doesn’t require his “legalization”. He’s waging a one-man war against a cultural divide. It’s fondly called Cannabis Control. He can’t control us. He can hurt us and cause all sorts of grief, but he still looses. Cannabis for every adult is here whether or not he can comprehend the meaning.
He clearly stated that 50% of Humboldt homicide is marijuana caused. He’s a liar. Everyday he sets out to expand the criminal count from marijuana. Billy creates those phony stats.
The Sheriff is a hog gorging at the trough of Federal/State funds. He’s committing terrorist actions on undeserving people. He wouldn’t even bother if his “legalites” were still on the side of humanity. It’s a sad state of government and enforcement that’s destroying and breaking the peace.
The questions were answered yesterday.
I do hope that a skilled lawyer has a chance to dig into the sheriff’s justifications about greenhouse vandalism and his claim that ganja police choppers (at least Nat. Guard ones) always respect a 500-foot floor. These are, in my estimation, likely convenient lies that point to the law enforcement animus against weed growing and the illegitimate, “culture war” aspects of cannabis prohibition in general.
And, uh, “Clean Sweep” rhymes with “Green Sweep,” suggesting an intentional echoing of CAMP 30 years ago.
Yep. Clean Sweep appears to be intentionally echoing Green Sweep.
CAMP Lite or V 2 whichever term you prefer it all adds up to the same thing, Strong Arm tactics by the HCSO & The National Guard,as well as totally unwarranted vandalism on the part of both!!!
I thought the governor had to request an action by the National Guard. Is that not true? If it is true, has the governor sanctioned this? Help me out here.
Newsom was on record months ago. It was labeled a military action. So yeah, he’s all in and wants the tax revenue to increase.
The Governor’s most recent order does NOT provide for National Guard cannabis enforcement in Humboldt.
It provides for narcotics investigation on the southern border and at our ports.
The Sheriff is overstepping the law and pushing out economy farther down the tubes.
You’re incorrect.
Please quote the section from Governor’s Order 2019-01 that explicitly provides for cannabis enforcement in Humboldt.
Simply stating, “You’re incorrect,” does not make it so
Newsom stated that he was deploying the National Guard to help eradicate illegal grows in the Emerald Triangle, in his State of the State address. It caused a ruckus on this blog.
I recall reading an article somewhere, likely it was here that Newsom was going to sic the Nat Guard on the Unpermitted growers some time back!!!!
Actually, Order # 2019-01 DOES cover it…
https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/2.11.19-General-Order.pdf
“The California National Guard’s new mission will prioritize real threats and emergencies facing California.”…
“The California National Guard also works to protect Californians from the efforts of transnational crime organizations engaged in the illegal trafficking of firearms and narcotics. Since 2018, National Guard service members have participated in the seizure of 71,488 pounds of illegal cannabis, 2,620 pounds of Methamphetamine, 19 pounds of Heroin, and 47 pounds of Cocaine, totaling $292,400,000.”
“It is therefore the policy of State of California to seek additional federal support for the California National Guard’s statewide Counter-Drug Task Force in order to increase task force capabilities at California seaports, to allow for more continuous monitoring of California’s coastline, and to support task forces throughout the state in combatting complex distribution networks of illegal narcotics.”
Please look at the Order again. The National Guard is explicitly called to do certain acts by the Governor, but is never called to target Northern California cannabis.
For example, language along the lines of, “I authorize 100 National Guardsmen to do this or that,” is used several times throughout the Order.
Stating that it is the policy of the State to seek additional support doesn’t mean that the support was requested via the order.
The lack of explicit authorization seems telling.
It seems to point to an aversion to the bad press that would result if the Order had explicitly called for the National Guard to target cannabis growers.
Further, the DEA separates cannabis from narcotics:
https://www.dea.gov/taxonomy/term/336
In all likelihood, the National Guard was authorized via a “State drug interdiction and counter-drug activities
plan,” under 32 U.S.C. Section 112.
That means that the Governor probably submitted an undisclosed request for reimbursement of funds to fly the National Guard helicopters.
The whole thing stinks of posse comitatus…
Nick- Greasy Gavin has family members and close friends heavily invested in the weed industry. So besides the unbridled greed for state tax and permit money there are personal greed factors at work. Yeah- he’s a sleazy operator for sure. He will spill blood (OUR blood) for the success of this eradication/ price support/corporate consolidation program.
Hoop house in the middle of July through October can get hot and humid as hell. I have to agree with the sheriff on that point. Aren’t greenhouses illegally built anyway? I think they should drive the MRAP right over the greenhouses when done.
500 ft people. Get video documentation when the helicopters come in low. Despite what Billy and Tommy are saying we all know they are flying well below 500ft. The powers that be need to be held accountable just like the rest of us peons. Don’t stand idly by and watch the people tasked with upholding the law break the law.
so whats the goal here? make an official complaint? hope the pilot gets fired? maybe a fine for the sheriffs dept? or get billy thrown out?
PSYCHOLOGY 101
If you start with a cage containing five monkeys and inside the cage, hang a banana on a string from the top and then you place a set of stairs under the banana, before long a monkey will go to the stairs and climb toward the banana.
As soon as the monkey touches the stairs, you spray all the other monkeys with cold water. After a while another monkey makes an attempt with the same result…all the other monkeys are sprayed. Soon, when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys try to prevent it. Put the hose away. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace with a new one. The new one sees the banana and attempts to climb the stairs. To his shock, all of the other monkeys beat the crap out of him. After another attempt, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs he will be assaulted.
Next, remove another of the original five, replacing it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment…with enthusiasm.
Then, replace a third original monkey with a new one, followed by a fourth and then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs he is attacked. Most of the monkeys who are beating him up have no idea why they are not permitted to climb the stairs or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.
Finally, having replaced all of the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys will have been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, none of the monkeys will try to climb the stairway for the banana.
WHY? Because in their minds…that is the way it has always been!
This, my friends, is how Legislatures, Courts, Attorneys, Supervisors, City Councils, Police Depts.,, Sheriffs Depts., and stagh operate…and is why from time to time, all of the monkeys must be REPLACED AT THE SAME TIME.
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We’ve cataloged multiple files of photographic evidence proving all sorts of unlawful behavior by enforcers. Flying too low happens nearly daily. Who’s gonna stop it? It’s unfair and absolutely their word against yours.
Rod- Ask Ed Denson how to restart CLMP? Ask him if he can recommend an attorney to start the process of a lawsuit? We are all busy and older but hopefully somebody can take over coordinator position. Keep recording and documenting abuses! We will need those! Hopefully we can push them into responsible behavior but first we need the evidence and the civil rights lawyer…. perhaps some young fireball looking to make their name
Yes that’s our goal.
It’s widely accepted that we are facing an old-timey civil rights battle. I think we’ve already attempted a few times. We push against gravity and status quo in the uphill travel. One day, however, we’ll get the stage, the SCOTUS will be compelled to decide. By that time in the future, the Honsuls in the world will have been retired forever.
Everything I’ve personally studied on delisting marijuana, has by the facts, showed this war to be a financial consideration rather than a rights issue. We await the just-right case to come to court.
~again . . .
March 15, 2016, i filed meas. z litigation, CASE NO. DR 160135
March 25, 2016, i filed marihunie litigation, CASE NO. DR 160161
NOT “Civil rights”.
NOT “Attorney” created.
NOT mixing law forms.
Twenty-three private male and female names (NOT “The County”) are on both.
Due process was served.
Returned foreign (to the land juris), BAR mail in the public arena of Tuesday’s Supe meetings. Made it quite clear that I “Do NOT want (Public) Mr. Ellenwood’s envelopes in my (Private) mailbox. Emails same. And, NO MORE TELEPHONE CALLS. I will Not meet with Ellenwood. You are being sued in your personal capacity”!
Are T.H.E.Y. aware that every move they make, every step they take, every programmed, deficient right brain thought, is steeped in Fraud? What do you think?
Can i VOID Reinholtsen’s order? What do you think? (disqualified this bird in two prior suits).
IF you’re reading this Billy, i include a paragraph reserving my right to amend on my documents. And, even if i didn’t . . . i don’t require anyone’s permission.
Will enough of us quit killing the messenger and get on with what’s before us? What do you think?
I am a small voice in the wilderness, however, i have a few more octives.
I Will Not enter another pit of viper’s Administration room without the support of the growers.
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So.. I have full been getting music recommendations on my devise based on comments made here on RHBB.. very specific recommendations.. Isn’t that strange? And adds too!
“My voice is tiny, and I am sure so is yours.. Put them all together for a mighty ROAR!!!!” Rising Appalachia
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Good one.. worth a try!
~s you can see by all the replies, the growers don’t want any aid unless it comes from some “professional” liar, err lawyer. Good luck with that. It’s worked so good so far – Pfft!
Yes. Learn the heights of nearby trees to use as reference points. Get those videos! We can start a multi-million dollar civil rights lawsuit today. We can’t expect Ed Denson to do this again- he served his community many years ago. We need a new Civil Liberties Monitoring Program (CLMP). They are certain to aggressively overstep their boundaries- fly low and kill livestock, go to wrong properties and kick in doors, terrorize innocent children and elderly, break and steal, etc etc. Not all cops are bad but military operations like this can’t help but break laws and the constitution. It’s up to us to DOCUMENT, RECORD, WRITE DOWN OR RECORD ACCOUNTS OF WITNESSES and correct their behavior. And perhaps you can win a huge payout in a lawsuit.
rangefinders cost less than twenty bucks these days
I agree with Pike Mortar’s comment. Our area’s cancer rate is high. I worry about the amount of pesticides that are being absorbed into the environment killing off our wildlife and eventually working it’s way into streams and rivers. I just lost two friends from cancer. There is of course no proof the cancer was caused by some of the county’s polluted environment. One doesn’t know at this point but I do support the law enforcement going after unpermitted grows that are violating the growing regulations.
most of the cancer clusters are associated with the former mills, but clusters like Sprowel Creek could be associated with herbicides heavily sprayed in that watershed. if you were to compare the amount of herbicides sprayed in Humboldt county to kill hardwoods to the amount of all pesticides used (home owners & grows, etc) in pounds, its like 1,000 to 1. one gallon of 2,4-D weighs ~ 6 pounds and 100s of thousands of gallons have been applied to watersheds over the decades that have drinking water wells and springs used by rural home owners. I have a well, we drink Crystal Geyser’s that is bottled in Weed. I have found it to be the cleanest. for a local example, 2,4-D was detected in the Freshwater Elementary School’s drinking water fountain ~2004, requiring the school to acquire a new water source.
Personally, I think the people of Weed should have access to their water without having to buy it in a plastic bottle. I made a choice to not support roseburg lumber’s water buissness. Decide for yourself. Here’s an article. http://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/15/us/california-today-a-timber-towns-water-fight.html
drill a well. complaining is useless. if I lived in weed and had a well I would not need to buy water in gallon jugs, but I live on old GP land and before that it was Hammond. and it is hammered.
Softball questions…easily deflected. I have some questions I’d like to see him answer…These following questions are only several of many that he should be publicly asked. They are honest questions…Perhaps they might make him uncomfortable but that is the job of real journalists- make people in positions of power answer the hard questions to their constituents, not lob them nice and easy softball questions!
1) Your new strategy will certainly cause prices to rise. Past history has show that this will result in more guerrilla grows, trespass grows and large diesel-powered indoor grows which can be even more environmentally destructive. Are you considering this consequence and do you have a plan on dealing with this inevitability?
2) Past history has shown us that there will certainly be some civil rights violations (mistakes) carried out in the course of these raids. Is there a plan in place to mitigate the expected lawsuits- which will be very expensive to taxpayers?
3) Everybody knows that many if not most of the large permitted grows are selling their product on the black market. Your program is certainly raising their black-market profits. Many are seeing that by focusing all of your efforts on the unpermitted grows you appear to be aiding such illegal behavior. Do you have a plan to do something that shows that you are not aiding in such illegal behavior?
4) Is this entirely your strategy and your priorities being represented by these raids? Who and what agencies have helped to direct the scope and intensity of this eradication program? For instance…are the county supervisors on board with this program or are directives being handed down by the state?
5) Marijuana cultivation is a misdemeanor. Most environmental crimes cannot be seen until you are actually on the ground. So what is the basis for warrants being served? Is it for a misdemeanor or for violating a county building code or for a state violation of a regulatory code? Couldn’t this be served more efficiently through civil proceedings?
1 is a good question
2 is also good
3 is an accusationof wrongdoing that doesnt appear to be warranted. I dont see law enforcement or supes wanting ppl to use the black market. They cant tax it for one thing.
#4 is five years of history to remember,
but it’s in the public record. Those answers are known in other words.
5 dives into what i was hoping would be more clearly addressed.
#3 … Kelley, you might be correct, but maybe Farce is correct.
I can’t imagine how to prove either way. The Black Market is untaxed in it’s intent and delivery. To be BM requires premeditation. There’s no accidental business involved. Profit margins are higher in the BM.
So Farce wants to hear how our Sheriff handles this knowledge. Fair question.
If Billy is in fact as pure as the windblown snow, he’ll answer the question. Will his answer be corrupt as is so much of County Government?
No doubt #5 is the biggie.
Who in Sam’s Hell called in the troops and it’s military equipment?
Easy … everyone who is a paid-up “legalite.” It’s a promise given by Newsom to anybody who joined his club. NG takes it’s orders from Newsom. Honsal takes his orders from Newsom. Newsom doesn’t take orders ($64) even when us voters mandate his duties. Newsom is a rogue politician.
Get yourself a rangefinder and make sure the range reading and the chopper are in the video. Proof is in the pudding!
There is no doubt low flying helicopters are disruptive and upsetting. That said helicopters are not limited to the 500 feet clause as it only applies to fixed wing airplanes. Point is the Sheriff is enforcing that policy as his own, the FAA regulations do not require it. This means we have almost no legal recourse when helicopters fly lower than we want.
This FAA document has a summery of the applicable rules: https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/atl/local_more/media/nlowfly.pdf
Here is a snip of the relevant law, however rural folks might want to read the entire section in the link as it covers our rights and how to report violations.
·91.119 Minimum safe altitudes; general
snip
(d) ·Helicopters. ·Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed In paragraph
(b) or (c) of this section if the operation is conducted without hazard to persons or property on the
surface. In addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with routes or altitudes
specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator.
The summary offers this logic:
Helicopter operations may be conducted below the minimum altitudes set for fixed-wing aircraft.
The reason? The helicopter’s unique operating characteristics, the most important of which is its
ability to execute pinpoint emergency landings during power failure. Further, the helicopter’s
increased use by law enforcement and emergency medical service agencies requires added
flexibility in the application of many FAA provisions.
With the pilot being given the leeway to decide what is a “Hazard” it would be difficult to prove otherwise. I am not saying it is great, just pointing out the controlling regulations. Finally purely military flights (which I believe these are not-being Sheriff hosted) are not subject to any of the civilian rules. An example would be the occasional military training flights that zoom low and fast through the area.
Very informative; thanks.
Yes, thank you
Hey 🐴
“We have a high rate of home invasion robberies, rip offs, thefts, and assaults all because of the money associated with marijuana. I believe it will only end when marijuana is federally legalized and the illicit market dries up!”
I work a regular job but from my observations from town, they’ve been slinging herb for years. There has been deaths related to grows, usually over $& debts but nothing to what it is now. Within the last decade it’s more than quadrupled & not cause herb but because of HEROIN & METH!
YOUR OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE COMMUNITY AND ARE PUTTING THE COUNTY IN DANGER WITH YOUR MIXED UP PRIORITIES. LET ME GUESS YOUR NEST EGG IS INVESTED SOMEWHERE IN A LEGAL GROW?
Interview & post all you want buddy but, the world has seen you flub with Murder Mountain. You looked so happy to be the cop from Humboldt Cty on the documentary but we’re only exposed for incompetence on the job. I believe you know this, that’s why after the documentary, y’all released a rebuttal statement. Bummed you weren’t presented as the cool cops from Humboldt? Those folks died up there trying to do the right thing. Their blood is on your hands Honsal.
I believe you don’t give a damn bout the safety of community, and won’t get my vote next time!
I was 12 years old the first time I was woken up to my home shaking and I went outside to see a military helicopter hovering maybe 100’ above me with a M-16 trained at my face. It was so close I could see the whites of the dudes eyes. I’m 40 now and second generation, and here we are with our kids and this evil shit is happening again! Unacceptable! I don’t even grow anymore but I still live in so hum so I guess that means my kids have to be terrorized by cops in copters with big guns too? Bullshit! Where are our rights?!
You only get the justice you can afford my friend.
You either know how to be the Squeaky wheel and use the media and every Avenue possible to enforce those rights you might yet have not had to fight for…
or to big to jail. Look to the high ranked members of the community who stepped into the process with essentially an all access pass.
Make sure you let your representatives know that military operations over your home isn’t tolerated.
Be loud and clear and effective.
Good luck to you and and your family.
Kelley,
Great article and questions.
I see you asked questions regarding a lot of the concerns I was reading about here on RHBB.
You’re doing a fantastic job in my opinion.
I also admire your intent to not comment. I might try it soon. Though, I think I’ll have to ween.
Thanks again for a homerun article.
Thank you for your kind words!
This is an important set of issues in our community. Cultivation is in fact a bedrock in both our cultural and economic reality here.
The transition into a world where cannabis is a legal commodity that is tightly regulated is having huge impacts on every aspect of our lives. Some things about it are easy to welcome, others really hurt.
My whole goal in reporting is to build up community strength with facts and my best attempt at presenting everyone’s ideas and perspectives.
Mediation skills 101: accurately and thoroughly identify the issues, articulate everyone’s interest/ opinion in those issues; remain neutral as the process unfolds.
In this piece, we get a more clear understanding of how the sheriff sees the matters at hand. From a writing standpoint, this was easy easy because Mr Honsal is an articulate writer. The editing I did was on my questions, not his answers, LoL
And this time, Kym really cowrote the intro to be honest. She wrote the opening paragraph which gave the whole thing deeper context.
Cheers to both of you, then.
I’m far from nuetral on most things, but it seems like a peaceful place to be. I’m trying to convince my self to visit.
Thanks
“We have the permitted, licensed legal growing community that are participating with law enforcement efforts to hold individuals accountable for growing illegally.”
It’s difficult to accept anything the Sheriff says. Could this statement be true?
Is there anybody with courage enough to support this Sheriff’s propaganda?
“It’s not my idea, I’m doing what they tell me to do.” — Liar.
I can’t address licensed growers because I’m not into that, but as a licensed fisherman and hunter, I’ll report unlicensed hunters and poachers every chance I get. I don’t care if their livelihood depends on it or not.
I’d do the same, however, comparing fish and game to herbal plants …
Also, more than half of ALL illegal Triangle cultivators, aren’t solely into the money, they’re into survival. Make ends meet. Shoes on the kids feet. Land payment. Next set of tires. County property taxes. It’s an endless list.
Gunther,
Aren’t you righteous.
Blue Lake never happened.
😉
Rod,
“It’s not my idea, I’m doing what they tell me to do.” — Liar.
~actually, it’s perhaps his one true statement. “ORDER FOLLOWER” – the most dangerous thing on the planet.
Straight-up, Honsal is incapable of performing his main duty – PROTECT MAN’S PROPERTY – because he just ‘follow$ order$.
“Our homicide rate is twice the statewide average. ”
THIS IS A BLATANT LIE!
Here is a list of all murder rates per county in california
https://www.countyhealthrankings.org/app/california/2015/measure/factors/15/data
He is lying to justify government theft
/\ he is full of himself.
Delusional egotistical liars like him make up their own version of reality. Facts don’t phase him he will blindly continue his reign of idiocy. Murder mountain told me everything I need to know about the lazy and completely inept HCSO . It’s no surprise he’s a liar on top of all that.
One solution to the air attacks: Bring Back the Squirrel with Surface-to-Air-Missiles!
This might be a good place to drop this news release about recalling Newsom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPo3zwAhaDs
Petition here: https://www.change.org/p/joshua-lindsay-recall-california-governor-davin-newsom
Yahoo!
Sherrif Honsal is full of shit. Law enforcement and military lack respect for civilians and their property. You scare people off their land and then cut up their greenhouses for “safety.” All these statements are bullshit cover ups to make the community feel better about what’s going on while they do whatever they want out in the hills. I wish the raids really were about environmental issues. It’s all about people with power and wealth who are trying to get more powerful and more wealthy. They’ll do whatever it takes and they dont give two shits about anybody. Sheriff honsal is just a pawn. He has no control over what’s going on, he’s doing what he’s told.
Remember how they tore the community apart and turned us on one another on election day!!!! This is not the positive vibes the herb community has partaken in for half a century.remember who we are were better than this lowlife behavior!!!!
So true. I still remember how sweet was the 1973 weed. Everybody was an illegal pot smoker. There was no such thing as today’s brother against brother.
We are better than this.
Late 70s “mendo” was the best friggin shit evah.
That was before it was big money. The term “homegrown” evokes a tinge of nostalgia for those innocent days.
Yes.
The way in which you connected homegrown with innocent. I feel like crying.
So if the sheriff can’t get a warrant based solely off of satellite imagery, how can the county legally send out an abatement notice that essentially makes someone’s property valueless, based off of satellite imagery? Seems like it circumvents the whole due process thing. The charges may be “civil” rather than criminal, but I know a lot of people that would rather sit in jail for some time than lose everything they have worked their entire life for.
~we’re watching the spectacle of fiction -Nothing more.
I gotta tell you guys -when i returned home yesterday afternoon- “The County” had been out and painted yellow lines in the middle of a little ol road not really wide enough to bother putting lines down the middle of. A road that ends at a dirt road that ends at the river. Is this what “The County” prioritizes in terms of road maintenance?
Ever heard of a Meth house home invasion/robbery?
Can’t say I have but then again I’m out working for a living.
Now Weed house/farm invasions/robberies are commonplace,
dangerous fucking occupation between the out of town thug thief’s and the Popo who is now teamed up with the National Guard.
Yes, watch Murder Mountain Documentary, its now on netflix, it becomes completely apparent that “Billy the kid” Honsal made a complete fool of himself and the Humboldt Sheriff Department showing up armed to the gill with automatic weapons pulled to eradicate a egregious environmental damaging grow, only 10 minutes later the Sheriffs, in front of the Netflix crew, realizes that they made a mistake in reading the tax code map and that they were actually busting the wrong parcel and address, they were busting a legal permitted grow protected by the state….. of course Sheriff Honsal didnt do anything to apologize or make things right after pulling weapons on legal cannabis farmers…. he just went along his job to the right address. The documentary showed the entire world (netflix is international) the irony of Humboldt Counties discrimination against cannabis farmers by targeting and focusing on these small country grows while there are real crimes like kidnappings, missing persons, serial killers as well as a serious heroin epidemic in Humboldt. In the end, Sheriff Honsal just looked like an idiot who is not qualified to be the Sheriff. It also showed the world that the war on cannabis is nothing but a political corporate agenda…
Honsal looked so happy and arrogant to be the cop from Humboldt County busting all the cannabis farms, Honsal looks but evwn more so acts like a big psychotic hotshot on the documentary but in reality he was globally exposed for his personal incompetence on the job. Everyone who watched the Murder Mountain doc knows this, that’s why after the documentary, “Billy the Kid” Honsal released a rebuttal statement. According to inside sources; Honsal was bummed out that he obviously wasn’t presented as the “Cool Sheriff from Humboldt”, he was instead presented as an incompetent public official who would rather continue a failed war on cannabis then get off his butt and solve real crimes like some of these missing persons cases which he has given his oath and sworn to solve…. time to fire the loser Sheriff Honsal and start all over again, the whole world is watching Humboldt Counties discrimination and bias against cannabis culture…. Mr Honsal looked like nothing more than a pauper and fool like Boss Hogg and Rosco Picotrain from the Dukes of Hazard
Sheriff Honsal is Estelle’s militarized lapdog {edit}.
Solve the nurders , <<typo, but i think i'll leave it.
~i enjoyed reading your condensed and knowledgeble take of "Murder Mountain" -since i didn't watch it. Others have talked about this on prior threads, too.
Thank you.
"Let us have no machine-made ornament at all; it is all bad and worthless and ugly." Oscar Wilde
Elections are coming!!!!! If this is still a democracy which im starting too wonder our time is coming.our local and state government is trying to destroy our region. Lets send em job hunting and put people in to WORK FOR US LIKE THEY’RE SUPPOSED TOO !!!!!!!!
~democracy is suicidal. You will not find the word democracy in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution or Bill of Rights. Let it go.
Democracy (Greek: δημοκρατία dēmokratía, literally “rule by people”) is a system of government where the citizens exercise power by voting. In a direct democracy, the citizens as a whole form a governing body and vote directly on each issue.
Wampum belt depicting the five nations of The Great Law of Peace. … The Iroquois Confederacy, founded by the Great Peacemaker in 11421, is the oldest living participatory democracy on earth.
Democracy is not the problem.. the Absence of it in the triangle is… It’s the ultimate mockery of Democracy..
~i think it was Benjamin Franklin, who, when asked what type of a government did we get? His reply was, “A Republic. If you can keep it.”
A democracy is a form of government in which the people often vote for someone different but seldom if ever get something different.
I’m pretty sure if you are a citizen of the USA that it goes against our constitution for any form of military to police the American people! So if you are a citizen that may be a loophole to shut their system down! Just saying
CITIZEN OF THE US
“We have in our political system a government of the United States and a government of each of the several States. Each one of these governments is distinct from the others, and each has citizens of it’s own…” United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875)
“…he was not a citizen of the United States, he was a citizen and voter of the State,…” “One may be a citizen of a State and yet not a citizen of the United States”. McDonel v. The State, 90 Ind. 320 (1883)
“That there is a citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a state,…”
Tashiro v. Jordan, 201 Cal. 236 (1927)
“A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government …” Kitchens v. Steele, 112 F.Supp 383
Unbeknownst to most people, the class termed “US citizen” did not exist as a political status until 1866. It was a class and “political status” created for the newly freed slaves and did not apply to the people inhabiting the states of the union who were at that time state Citizens.
“On the other hand, there is a significant historical fact in all of this. Clearly, one of the purposes of the 13th and 14th Amendments and of the 1866 act and of section 1982 was to give the Negro citizenship. . .”
Jones v. Alfred H. Mayer Co. (1967), 379 F.2d 33, 43.
“The object of the 14th Amendment, as is well known, was to confer upon the colored race the right of citizenship.” United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U. S. 649, 692.
~it seems that if We, the People, do not know who we are – how can we expect a Sheriff to know who he is?
Just saying
This small easy to understand article explains in laymen’s terms … What the actual problem Sheriff Honsal faces. His boat is sinking. Everyone, other than Newsom, is loosing self respect and commitment to the BCC. It’s simple. They lied by promising a better cannabis culture in California by “legalization”.
https://mjbizdaily.com/california-report-finds-regulators-unable-fully-oversee-states-marijuana-market/#comment-301084
Good Article RG.. TY..
So, I just listened in on the Sheriff’s interview, on KMUD and most of his Comintary is very concerning..
A few things..
1).. Very little insite as to why the Sheriff’s office changed direction from public to private lands at the last minute.. and who is ultimately responsible for that decision.. and exactly why? Does it have to do with the head of FG’s cannabis company.?
2) Just because you don’t have a permit.. doesn’t make a bad person..
The permit process for most small cultivators is extremely unaffordable, and mostly unobtainable.. So, it’s out of grasps for many small cultivators.. and I would also say that some, it’s not that they will not sign up.. it’s just highly out of grasp…
3) He states they are not Targeting “permitted” growers.. I do not beilive them. They are checking to see if people are expanding. And they will raid if they “suspect” Original Market Activity..
4) In the beginning he states that if you are “unpermited” then you face felony’s and environmental regulations.. in the End., he says.. Don’t worry call us if there is an issue.. it’s only a misdemeanor.. Which is it? Lots of contradictions in his statements..
“An enemy generally says and does what he wishes.” –Jefferson